I might just be too dumb to get it and I haven't seen the original movie but season 2 was a huge disappointment to me the UFO stuff was so out of left field and didn't really add anything to the plot, took away from a lot of the good parts imo.
@@Pizza-gb1ch basically malvo kept pushing asking for Lester’s location but Lou gently says no… than when malvo keeps pushing and getting intimidating Lou just tells him a story that says I’m an ex-cop, I’ve seen things, and you don’t frighten me. Malvo then realized he had no way to get what he wanted, and left.
@@Pizza-gb1ch Like Primenumber says, Lou kept refusing to give Malvo what he was asking for and didn't retreat or flinch while doing it. It was subtle because neither man changed their affect.
There are two interpretations here. One is the basic "no frills" explanation of Lou telling Malvo that story to illustrate that he knows Malvo is up to no good, and that he's not going to fall for it. He was a cop, he sniffed out that Malvo was a bad dude the second he walked in, and that's that. The other is the more metaphysical explanation that Lou is telling Malvo that he's seen pure evil before, so he recognizes it when he sees it. If you accept the fan theory that Lorne Malvo is a manifestation of the devil, Lou is basically saying "yeah, I'm familliar with your previous works, pal" without coming right out and saying it. Which is why he asks "...ever been?" Also notice that Malvo never says "no", he just gently deflects the question, implying that...maybe some version of him WAS there.
I've always found it interesting that out of all the main cast, Molly (who is also the most competent character besides her father) was the only one who never encountered him but would always be just slightly short behind. I also love who Lou's story gave us season 2.
This was always as much a Fargo show as a Coen brothers movies in general show. In this case it's doing the No Country For Old Men thing, where the main cop and the main criminal never quite meet.
I think this is possibly my favourite scene in the whole franchise. Even watching it this time, for the umpteenth time and knowing how it will go, my heart was pounding as Molly drove up. The actors, director, editors and composer absolutely nailed it. A true masterpiece.
@@Pizza-gb1ch Actually the yetzer hara road upon the serpent like his steed (Midrash Rabah) as snakes could walk then, and this illustrates the deeper more profound meaning behind the statement later in the Exodus story - "The horse with its rider He threw into the sea" that not only does it refer to the destruction of the Egyptian military but of the defeat of the yetzer hara whose plan it was to annihilate the Jews (same plan as usual, he doesn't vary it much).
@@4ccelerat0r It's implied that he is the devil multiple times through the season. Both what he says and what he does. On one ocassion a jewish guy call him devil or demon.
@@blacklight4720 As Billy Bob said in an interview, "He's a bit of God, a bit of the Devil. A puppet master." America is wrapped in the religions of Abraham, so no doubt he'll be seen as a specific demon or devil, depending on who is seeing him and what they believe. But what truly makes him frightening, is that at the end of the day, he's still simply just a MAN. And while being a man, he's the embodiment of a man without a moral compass, and the heights a man can go if he's willing and capable to do whatever he wants. Him saying, "since the garden of Eden" is like the Joker saying, "Do you want to know how I got these scars?" They're signifying that they're a threat or being disturbing without telling you the truth, yet relating to you with something you know. This is far scarier than a fiction, because it's not only something you can relate to, but something you can see it, which makes it believable.
BBT and Keith Carradine giving us a true acting masterclass. Love the way they both put on a disarming smile, but never let their guard down. It's like Old Scratch and Daniel Webster running into each other over a century later.
"Haven't had a slice of pie like that since the Garden of Eden." You can't tell me Malvo is meant to be a human. No sir, he's intentionally written so that this little question remains, who, or better to say, what the hell was Lorne Malvo. One of the best villains ever put to screen.
I think it's pretty obvious he's human honestly, we see him have to eat, get injured and need to tend to his wounds and of course he is murdered in the end but I do think he's supposed to represent a human incarnation of "evil" or atleast the raw predatory side of human nature. It's implied he was raised by animals (most likely wolves) and then reintegrated back into society but maintaining his raw instincts he learned and grew comforable with growing up. Kill or be killed, hence why he frees the deaf assassin even after he killed his brother because they were the closest to killing him as he mentioned to him, he loved the game of being a predator or being prey it's what satisfies his soul.
Lou was the Cherubim, and Malvo the Snake. This conversation is an allegorical dance between the two and its only revealed as one as the last line of this sequence.
I feel like working on this show had a big influence on Jordan Peele as a filmmaker. This show blends genres so well, I wonder if its success inspired him to take the risk of doing his unique style of horror.
The actor playing the former detective/ detective’s father plays an FBI agent hunting a serial killer in the show:’Dexter’, and he’s great in that as well.
Considering his Nature of stirring up problems through manipulation or one incident caused by him i actually expected Lorne to appear in s2, not even with a line but a implied move
I believe with that garden of Eden quote he secretly ment that this moment where he’s basically called out for being a murderer made him feel naked like Adam and Eve, it was exhilarating to him.
or it could be him implying he's the literal devil considering he shares a lot of traits with Satan like his ability to manipulate people with ease along with his vast knowledge and uncanny ability to slip away from any situation unharmed
Show me where in scripture it says satans name with those attribites, in the old testament its still all gods will everyone and everything is a servant including the "devil" who tests us @@BigDingus-l1d
this season still takes up space in my head, love it the best out of all five (so far). BBT is just too good, but that's not discount all the rest of the cast who are outstanding season ranking from top to bottom : 1,2,5,3,4 ( sorry Chris Rock you cannot do convincing dramatic acting)
"Of course noone hangs the sad pictures mum crying dad looking angry.. kid with a black eye" weirdest thing I've heard from this shady character coming out. This is what makes him interesting as an antagonist there are inferences that he was abused or left for dead in his childhood. I wish there was a backstory for him
"Went by the house, turns out he's moved." "Hmm, no kidding?" I feel like he knew exactly which nice house Lester had moved into in that small community
the way he talked about soux falls i was expecting someone to be about as bad as lorne malvo perhaps slightly better but since it was in 79 and no cameras he would be far more effective than malvo was but nope it was a "gang" war which would be easier to talk "welll it was a gang war pretty much"
He means Hanzee Dent, though he doesn't know that's who it was. Every season of Fargo has a character who is its version of the Devil. Even V.M. Varga in Season 3 is just as dangerous as the rest, but in a psychological sense.
He's talking about Hanzee. He kills: - Joe Bulo - A Kitchen brother - Constance Heck - Dodd Gerhardt - Floyd Gerhardt - Ed Blumquist - A bartender - Two police officers - A gas station attendant - A civilian in a car - Two young boys (off screen) - At least half a dozen of the Gerhart's henchmen He was a walking chaos.
to me 3 > 2 > 1 (could be 1 > 2 though, it's pretty close), but then decisively > 4 > 5. in other words the first three were the good ones, and in my opinion on an improving trajectory, but after that I'd agree that it went downhill. season 4 was all over the place, with way too many characters, shallow attempts at social commentary (not exactly in the spirit of Fargo), and overall form over substance. and season 5 i don't even want to comment upon
It was exactly at the moment that he said "I was hoping to surprise him" that the conversation changed and then Malvo tries to say something that sounds sensitive and empathetic but can't help but make it sound sociopathic. It's after that, that Lou asks "How long did you work for the Tampa DA?". It became a suspect interview.
This setup made season 2 a bit disappointing for me. I thought it was going to be another character (like Malvo) who caused a bunch of chaos. Instead, it's a rather disjointed gang war that is difficult to keep a straight timeline on. It had a bunch of great moments, but it doesn't hold a candle to Season 1 in my book.
I really felt season 1 followed the film best, and put some interesting spins on it that didn't feel super jarring. Malvo is one of the most terrifying villains I've ever seen, I think he's scarier than Chigur from No Country for Old Men. Also, I just liked the classic story of good vs. evil that season 1 tells. I absolutely love Molly and Gus, and I think they were really cute together.
now seems just a normal exchange but when we watched it the first time, we were all scared, scared that Malvo could have killed Lou. Of course there was no Season 2 yet, we could not have known what kind of person Lou really was.
animals dont kill only for food . There is plenty of other reasons they kill : for territory, for mating rights, to protect their cubs or even to get rid of cubs of other animal. For example : if lion kills hyena, he does not eat him, but leaves the dead body to scavengers. Same if he kills cubs of other lion to take over his pride .
Rewatch that show recently, I quite liked it the first time but it didn't work for me the second time. The dialogue are so cringe, most of the time one character ask a question the other answer with '' let me tell you a story'' and instead of going right to the point the character ramble for 10 minutes in what is supposed to be a meaningful insight of a situation but really its just icing with no cake. Once you really listen you realize there is nothing deep (most of the time) about the elaborated answer and some part of their story is filled with inaccuracies, good example in the scene, the character says ''I'd call it animals, except animals only kill for food'' Firstly its not a very original statement secondly that's absolutely not true, a lot of animals kill for fun. And when its not the elaborated ramble, the character answers with a high school level riddle or fun fact like ''Did you know the human eye can see more shades of green than any other color?'' Gus grimly should have saud ''yes yes i know why, are you telling me you are a predator? Is this supposed to be intimidating?'''
perhaps the Fargo universe (themes, style) just isn't for you. those riddles and stories are part of its esthetics, in the spirit of the Coen brothers cinema. fans don't expect to see a crime story as told by Tarantino (which i also like, but it's totally different). to each his own
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Keith Carradine being exceptional here. Such a good setup for season 2
didn't know it was carradine.
Davids brother 🍻🍺😜@@chloetv1
I might just be too dumb to get it and I haven't seen the original movie but season 2 was a huge disappointment to me the UFO stuff was so out of left field and didn't really add anything to the plot, took away from a lot of the good parts imo.
@@phatopossumyeah I can understand your views. But the whole season was talking about absurdity. Maybe it had something to do with that lol
Only time in the show someone wasn’t intimidated by Malvo, and instead just straight warned him to step off.
I missed the warning. Care to elaborate?
@@Pizza-gb1ch basically malvo kept pushing asking for Lester’s location but Lou gently says no… than when malvo keeps pushing and getting intimidating Lou just tells him a story that says I’m an ex-cop, I’ve seen things, and you don’t frighten me. Malvo then realized he had no way to get what he wanted, and left.
@@Pizza-gb1ch Like Primenumber says, Lou kept refusing to give Malvo what he was asking for and didn't retreat or flinch while doing it. It was subtle because neither man changed their affect.
There are two interpretations here.
One is the basic "no frills" explanation of Lou telling Malvo that story to illustrate that he knows Malvo is up to no good, and that he's not going to fall for it. He was a cop, he sniffed out that Malvo was a bad dude the second he walked in, and that's that.
The other is the more metaphysical explanation that Lou is telling Malvo that he's seen pure evil before, so he recognizes it when he sees it.
If you accept the fan theory that Lorne Malvo is a manifestation of the devil, Lou is basically saying "yeah, I'm familliar with your previous works, pal" without coming right out and saying it. Which is why he asks "...ever been?"
Also notice that Malvo never says "no", he just gently deflects the question, implying that...maybe some version of him WAS there.
Asking if he’d been to Sioux Falls and for his phone number could definitely be seen as a subtle warning. He’s obviously got a feeling about Malvow
I've always found it interesting that out of all the main cast, Molly (who is also the most competent character besides her father) was the only one who never encountered him but would always be just slightly short behind.
I also love who Lou's story gave us season 2.
This was always as much a Fargo show as a Coen brothers movies in general show. In this case it's doing the No Country For Old Men thing, where the main cop and the main criminal never quite meet.
Similar case as in "No Country for Old Men"
Lou saw right through Malvo.
I think this is possibly my favourite scene in the whole franchise. Even watching it this time, for the umpteenth time and knowing how it will go, my heart was pounding as Molly drove up. The actors, director, editors and composer absolutely nailed it. A true masterpiece.
Lundy knows a killer
Apparently not ,his daughter married DDK!
And a......killer sister...
Since the garden of eden. He implying he is the devil. He was there and got kicked out.
Wow.
not devil. snake
Are they not one in the same.
@@Pizza-gb1ch Actually the yetzer hara road upon the serpent like his steed (Midrash Rabah) as snakes could walk then, and this illustrates the deeper more profound meaning behind the statement later in the Exodus story - "The horse with its rider He threw into the sea" that not only does it refer to the destruction of the Egyptian military but of the defeat of the yetzer hara whose plan it was to annihilate the Jews (same plan as usual, he doesn't vary it much).
@@4ccelerat0r It's implied that he is the devil multiple times through the season. Both what he says and what he does. On one ocassion a jewish guy call him devil or demon.
@@blacklight4720 As Billy Bob said in an interview, "He's a bit of God, a bit of the Devil. A puppet master." America is wrapped in the religions of Abraham, so no doubt he'll be seen as a specific demon or devil, depending on who is seeing him and what they believe. But what truly makes him frightening, is that at the end of the day, he's still simply just a MAN. And while being a man, he's the embodiment of a man without a moral compass, and the heights a man can go if he's willing and capable to do whatever he wants. Him saying, "since the garden of Eden" is like the Joker saying, "Do you want to know how I got these scars?" They're signifying that they're a threat or being disturbing without telling you the truth, yet relating to you with something you know. This is far scarier than a fiction, because it's not only something you can relate to, but something you can see it, which makes it believable.
BBT and Keith Carradine giving us a true acting masterclass. Love the way they both put on a disarming smile, but never let their guard down. It's like Old Scratch and Daniel Webster running into each other over a century later.
"Haven't had a slice of pie like that since the Garden of Eden." You can't tell me Malvo is meant to be a human. No sir, he's intentionally written so that this little question remains, who, or better to say, what the hell was Lorne Malvo. One of the best villains ever put to screen.
Feels like he is the antithesis to the character of preacher played by Clint Eastwood in Pale Rider.
I saw him more like Anton Chigurgh from No Country for Old Men@@harshaphukan5091
I think it's pretty obvious he's human honestly, we see him have to eat, get injured and need to tend to his wounds and of course he is murdered in the end but I do think he's supposed to represent a human incarnation of "evil" or atleast the raw predatory side of human nature.
It's implied he was raised by animals (most likely wolves) and then reintegrated back into society but maintaining his raw instincts he learned and grew comforable with growing up. Kill or be killed, hence why he frees the deaf assassin even after he killed his brother because they were the closest to killing him as he mentioned to him, he loved the game of being a predator or being prey it's what satisfies his soul.
No one hangs the sad pictures is such a great line and wisdom!
Billy Bob never disappoints.
Lou was the Cherubim, and Malvo the Snake. This conversation is an allegorical dance between the two and its only revealed as one as the last line of this sequence.
Brilliantly put.
Very allegorical
Excellent series! If only extended it to show Key and Peele as FBI walking passed the killer they were supposed to catch.
I feel like working on this show had a big influence on Jordan Peele as a filmmaker. This show blends genres so well, I wonder if its success inspired him to take the risk of doing his unique style of horror.
One of the best scenes in the whole series!!
The actor playing the former detective/ detective’s father plays an FBI agent hunting a serial killer in the show:’Dexter’, and he’s great in that as well.
@@sassythesasquatch4147 Keith Carradine: he's got an incredible roster of great roles.
Every scene is the best in this season, my fav is when lester outsmart him
I love how Lou says "id call it animal" and then in season 2 its the guy named Bear who almost kills him during the massacre
But he's talking bout Hanzee Dent though.
Who Malvo kills funny enough this season
@@obiwankenobi9439Nah I'm pretty sure he's talking about that Gerhardt dude
omg Malvo was the bay harbor butcher
Yeah man and lundy was right front of him
The sheepdog never forgets the smell of the wolf.
"You didn't answer my question."
"Yes I did."
Considering his Nature of stirring up problems through manipulation or one incident caused by him i actually expected Lorne to appear in s2, not even with a line but a implied move
I hope he never shows up or is mentioned in later seasons, as it would take away from the almost supernatural aura he has
@@mocha5742 nah, IT wouldn't. I expect him taking a part in some major event as the series goes by.
@@airventi Fargo doesn’t need to be a cinematic universe lol
I believe with that garden of Eden quote he secretly ment that this moment where he’s basically called out for being a murderer made him feel naked like Adam and Eve, it was exhilarating to him.
or it could be him implying he's the literal devil considering he shares a lot of traits with Satan like his ability to manipulate people with ease along with his vast knowledge and uncanny ability to slip away from any situation unharmed
Show me where in scripture it says satans name with those attribites, in the old testament its still all gods will everyone and everything is a servant including the "devil" who tests us @@BigDingus-l1d
@@thoththeatlantean1226 shut up nerd i wasnt speaking to you lol
Idk why but I love the detail of the bat behind the counter
It’s cool watchin this 20 mins away from Sioux Falls 😂
this season still takes up space in my head, love it the best out of all five (so far).
BBT is just too good, but that's not discount all the rest of the cast who are outstanding
season ranking from top to bottom : 1,2,5,3,4 ( sorry Chris Rock you cannot do convincing dramatic acting)
It is the best one. Season 5 jumped up to my second favorite right away.
I'm watching this and thinking about The Duellists
i say he never loved the emperor! never!!
This has to be my favourite scene of the first season.
"Of course noone hangs the sad pictures mum crying dad looking angry.. kid with a black eye" weirdest thing I've heard from this shady character coming out. This is what makes him interesting as an antagonist there are inferences that he was abused or left for dead in his childhood. I wish there was a backstory for him
Oh, there's a backstory. It's literally of biblical proportions so it's too long to list here :D
@@squamish4244 where can i see it?
@@Niqqqaa He is saying that it is implied he is the devil. He mentions the garden of Eden in the clip, which is a good hint.
"Animals don't just kill for food. Some just kill to play."
Like cats
Like foxes
A fox will kill every chicken in a pen, but only take one..
This is the most slept on series since The Wire.
The dad played in dexter as a detective he was awesome in it
Will have to rewatch now
Can't believe the Doomday Killer is Lundys son in aw
"Went by the house, turns out he's moved."
"Hmm, no kidding?"
I feel like he knew exactly which nice house Lester had moved into in that small community
Imo the best scene in that season.
"haven't had a pie like that since the garden of Eden" that's the devil right there, amazing series!
such a great actor
the way he talked about soux falls i was expecting someone to be about as bad as lorne malvo perhaps slightly better but since it was in 79 and no cameras he would be far more effective than malvo was but nope it was a "gang" war which would be easier to talk "welll it was a gang war pretty much"
Hanzee Dent shot like 4 cops, the rest of his gang, stabbed his gang’s leader and shot Ted Danson. He also killed two random old men and Ed.
He means Hanzee Dent, though he doesn't know that's who it was. Every season of Fargo has a character who is its version of the Devil. Even V.M. Varga in Season 3 is just as dangerous as the rest, but in a psychological sense.
He's talking about Hanzee. He kills:
- Joe Bulo
- A Kitchen brother
- Constance Heck
- Dodd Gerhardt
- Floyd Gerhardt
- Ed Blumquist
- A bartender
- Two police officers
- A gas station attendant
- A civilian in a car
- Two young boys (off screen)
- At least half a dozen of the Gerhart's henchmen
He was a walking chaos.
Since no one has mentioned it… he’s obviously referring to Hanzee.
@@marioargiropoulos7555who is killed by Malvo years after the Sioux Falls massacre
It’s a such a pity that each series after just deteriorated such a shame.
Third seasson is amazing
@bomnitoperro9422 Calm down.
to me 3 > 2 > 1 (could be 1 > 2 though, it's pretty close), but then decisively > 4 > 5.
in other words the first three were the good ones, and in my opinion on an improving trajectory, but after that I'd agree that it went downhill.
season 4 was all over the place, with way too many characters, shallow attempts at social commentary (not exactly in the spirit of Fargo), and overall form over substance. and season 5 i don't even want to comment upon
When he says he didn’t work for the DA he just lived near. He just spent sometime. What does he mean? He spent time near District Attorneys office
jail or prison
Always thought this scene was interesting since i live in sioux falls lol
Have you seen season two?
Me too. Good to brush up on this. Howdy neighbor.
Me three! I watched season 2. The Sioux Falls incident is…well, quite trippy. 🤣🤣
Simpleton!
@@MrPopo-nn7kp 😁
Wow, great writing and seen, and yes the Devil is a liar!
" havent had a piece of Pie like that, since the Garden of Eden" said He, the Snake
I can’t believe that malvo was the bay harbor butcher
Animals dont only kill for food
Frank lundy doing side quests
Outstanding scene here.
frank lundy the goat
It was exactly at the moment that he said "I was hoping to surprise him" that the conversation changed and then Malvo tries to say something that sounds sensitive and empathetic but can't help but make it sound sociopathic. It's after that, that Lou asks "How long did you work for the Tampa DA?".
It became a suspect interview.
"I haven't had a piece of pie like that since the Garden of Eden." Everybody knows what's up.
Nobody gonna bring up the elephant in the room or the fly in the pie hairpiece? Scary stuff
This setup made season 2 a bit disappointing for me. I thought it was going to be another character (like Malvo) who caused a bunch of chaos. Instead, it's a rather disjointed gang war that is difficult to keep a straight timeline on. It had a bunch of great moments, but it doesn't hold a candle to Season 1 in my book.
Well it's good thing your book don't mean ugots to me!
Idk seasons 2 and 3 were way better for me. I thought they better followed the themes of the original movie.
I really felt season 1 followed the film best, and put some interesting spins on it that didn't feel super jarring. Malvo is one of the most terrifying villains I've ever seen, I think he's scarier than Chigur from No Country for Old Men. Also, I just liked the classic story of good vs. evil that season 1 tells. I absolutely love Molly and Gus, and I think they were really cute together.
Agreed. Season 1 is still the best season. Season 2 was good, but doesn't hold a candle to the first
I assumed he was talking about Hanzee. He had the highest kill count in season two and personally crippled the Gerhardt syndicate. He was an animal.
Lou is made of steel. Malvo is powerless here.
Keith Carradine is the only person in the world to intimidate dexter AND malvo
now seems just a normal exchange but when we watched it the first time, we were all scared, scared that Malvo could have killed Lou. Of course there was no Season 2 yet, we could not have known what kind of person Lou really was.
Season 2 of Fargo was brilliant but this was an inaccurate description of the events! 🤣
Thats Frank Lundy right there not Lou XD
Lungren knew....
I'm gonna just keep believing my pet theory that Malvo is Hanzee.
Terrible headcanon to have.
Malvo kills Hanzee.
Great season like 2 and 3. But sadly 4 and 5 are... meh.
Sioux Falls season sucked.
Back before Fargo became terrible.
"animals only kill for food" was the dumbest line in the whole film maybe. Pretty much anyone who isn't completely dumb knows better.
animals dont kill only for food . There is plenty of other reasons they kill : for territory, for mating rights, to protect their cubs or even to get rid of cubs of other animal. For example : if lion kills hyena, he does not eat him, but leaves the dead body to scavengers. Same if he kills cubs of other lion to take over his pride .
Rewatch that show recently, I quite liked it the first time but it didn't work for me the second time. The dialogue are so cringe, most of the time one character ask a question the other answer with '' let me tell you a story'' and instead of going right to the point the character ramble for 10 minutes in what is supposed to be a meaningful insight of a situation but really its just icing with no cake. Once you really listen you realize there is nothing deep (most of the time) about the elaborated answer and some part of their story is filled with inaccuracies, good example in the scene, the character says ''I'd call it animals, except animals only kill for food'' Firstly its not a very original statement secondly that's absolutely not true, a lot of animals kill for fun. And when its not the elaborated ramble, the character answers with a high school level riddle or fun fact like ''Did you know the human eye can see more shades of green than any other color?'' Gus grimly should have saud ''yes yes i know why, are you telling me you are a predator? Is this supposed to be intimidating?'''
perhaps the Fargo universe (themes, style) just isn't for you.
those riddles and stories are part of its esthetics, in the spirit of the Coen brothers cinema.
fans don't expect to see a crime story as told by Tarantino (which i also like, but it's totally different).
to each his own
If you think animals kills only for food I would recommend to search on yt what zebra alpha male does with not his babies
That went nowhere. Please see a real diner scene: A History of Violence.
apples and oranges. there's explicit violence and implied violence.
First!
First
I am upset that they killed off the only good guy in this programme
cringe
Your name is