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You have also remember and put into consideration that they wouldn’t be able to hide within the local population. Germans officers/leaders especially in the SS had the ‘you kill Germans, we kill a village’ approach. This would eliminate a lot of that confusion in urban/ village environments.
@@DrkShdAmerica definitely did mark villages as free-fire zones if they thought VC were present, but the SS would actively be trying to wipe out villages.
This actually happened. Many SS joined the French legion which were then sent to Vietnam. There are also many stories about German soldiers who joined the Viet Minh.
@@MCKevin289TBH Insurgencies just suck to fight in general, the soviets nor the US could occupy Afghanistan, Russia had the Chechens, the coalition had insurgents to deal with as well.
Japanese soldiers also joined them. After WW2 ended, there were many Japanese soldiers left in Southeast Asia, including in Indochina. They had a choice between prioritizing anticommunism and joining the West against the Viet Minh (some Japanese soldiers were briefly used to fight against them before the French fully moved back in) or prioritizing pan-Asianism and joining the Viet Minh against the French. It’s thought that the Japanese who joined the Viet Minh may have helped them to become so good at guerrilla warfare.
Actually, most Vietcong AKs were Chinese variants, particularly the Type 56 with folding spike bayonet. Chinese made AK and SKS were far more common in Vietnam than Soviet ones.
The chinese were taking soviet armaments supplied to vietnam and dispatching them in limited quantity.The chinese border was the closest route to supply the NVA
Yeah it was about to say the same. Russian AKs existed but the majority were Chinese clones. The VC was also not nearly as under-equipped or untrained as people think. China not only sent modern weapons and supplied the Vietnamese well using supply lines like the HCM Trail but they also sent experienced advisors who cut their teeth fighting in the Chinese Civil War and Korea, the notion that the VC were under trained or unfamiliar with their kit may have been true early in the war, but certainly not by the end of it. Using this assumption in the matchup is like comparing Naruto and Luffy... if Naruto was from season 1 only and Luffy is current.
@@muhacnt7988there was also the Ho Chi Minh trail in the central Highlands which stretched from North Vietnam and snaked through Cambodia and Laos where the US could not intercept until a bombing campaign was launched to make the trail unusable; but to no effect
@@aztec0996 The scorched earth tactics is candy and sunshine compared to how many bombs they launched in the ho chi minh trial.Literally more bombs dropped than ww2 combined.
I'm Vietnamese and In our old days when we were fighting France there were a lot of Germans in our army (SS troops from the French Foreign) who wanted to fight for us the Vietminh some of them became our national heroes. Now we still respectfully remember their contributions. OH there are also a lot of people in our army( Vietminh) these days too like Japanese, Greeks, Sweden, and Africans. Thank you guys a lot
All true, if you read Rumor of War by Phillip Cavito many South Vietnamese officers learned German so they could communicate with the foreign legionnaires.
This was actually presented on that show "World's Deadliest Warrior" where they took different fighters from different periods and places and had them fight each other. The Waffen SS was pitted against the Viet Cong and likewise they claimed the Waffen SS would win. In regards to hand to hand fighting it seems the Germans placed less emphasis on it than the Allied forces limiting their fighting to bayonets and their spades and maybe something else. The Waffen SS might have had some other fighting moves taught to them that weren't taught to the rest of the German military. As for Vietnam they do have a few native martial arts like their neighbors do, so it is possible they may have learned some fighting techniques. This is all speculation on my part.
That’s a good point, but the things about insurgencies is that one dead insurgent results in several more joining the cause. They’d literally need to kill the entire country of tens of millions with extended supply lines and this time without land based logistics like they had in WW2. Combine that with the lack of knowledge of jungle fighting, no helicopters to quickly get in and out of the jungle to fight the VC, and assuming no cooperation with the South Vietnamese government if they ignore ROEs means they would probably lose
Ich hatte einen Arbeitskollegen, der am Ende WW II, als 17jähriger von der SS eingezogen wurde. Dann französische Gefangenschaft, Fremdenlegio in Indoschina, wenn er auf einer Betriebsfeier etwas über den Durst getrunken hat, fing er an , vietnamesisch zu singen und weinte für seine gefallenen Kameraden. Echt traurig. Er sagte, er hatte dort viele Menschen sterben sehen. RIP.
@@Bopbricks1774 Towards the end of the war, when they no longer had the amount of volunteers required to replace their losses, people would indeed be conscripted. When a unit is below strength like that, the only other option is to disband it and fold their members into other units. Which they didn't really want to do.
One of the goofiest commando raids I heard of, Operation: Stormtroopers. During the Korean War, a special forces officer named Lt. Colonel J.D. Vanderpool was in Seoul when he happened upon a depot full of all the gear needed to cloth a Waffen SS unit, including weapons. This officer had a novel idea. He went to his buddy, Captain George Lamm, who was preparing a jump behind enemy lines and convinced him to dress his men from head to toe as Waffen SS grenadiers. Two weeks later they jumped near Haeju, North Korea. Fourteen Americans dressed as SS grenadiers. For two days they caused confusion, grabbing twelve confused North Koreans as prisoners. They got out via swift boats without a single casualty over their two-day mission. According to author Ed Evanhoe, the Soviet ambassador handed a mystified West German ambassador a formal complaint, charging German troops were operating in Korea. There was no word on the German ambassadors response.
Technically this actually has happened in history with former Waffen SS Soldiers signing up to the French foreign legion and fighting in French Indochina. There's even a book about it called Devil's Guard by George Robert Elford.
This particular video was nonsense, the Vietcong dragged Cold War US army into an unwinnable fight, how the heck a 1944 army would survive an adversary with RPGs and AK47s is beyond any possibility. Even by WW2 soviets with numerous PPSHs and US infantry with M1 garands were significantly more powerful than Kar98k infantry
@@nahuelleandroarroyoi think they kinda glorified the panzer faust and the other launcher’ because a rpg from the 1960’s-1970’s would easily triumph against those launchers
So on the left you have an elite mountainous army that find a way to utilize heaven support and establish ambushes for their prey.... then on the right side you have the voc, a guerrilla force that also have an expertise is ambushing and hit and run tactics... this would be such a powerful match up yo😮
Some of the episodes were really stupid like spartan vs ninja really. Ninja weren’t warriors made to fight in the front lines they could fight but they weren’t meant to fight in the open. Spartans were made to fight their enemies head on, they had several weaknesses at range.
@@eaglewarrior7979 oh yea, but also at the same time that was one of the first episodes and I think they going for creativity instead of balanced on that one. But they definitely started learning from their mistakes after those first 5 episodes. The first one was good though.
Dude just don't remembered of the French Foreign Legion that fought in Indochina in the 50's and was filled for about 80% by these german electricians.
Me: "Hey, I've seen this before! This is a classic!" People who haven't seen Deadliest Warrior: "What'd you mean? It's brand new." (in retrospect Deadliest Warrior isn't a great show but it was fun to watch).
A blast from the past. Def fun to watch if you don't take it too seriously. My favorite matchups were Ming Warrior vs Musketeer and French Foreign Legion vs Ghurkas.
I’d say it was a great show in retrospect. Was an introduction to ideas and topics, had a good amount of background research, was accessible to a non-niche audience, and was super fun, both in terms of banter and testing, as well as final scenarios. Personally I’d probably prefer it over like 90% of present day shows in general.
In real life, SS fought with Vietcong in First Indochina War (In that war, Vietcong has other name was Vietminh) in Dien Bien Phu, and SS fought under French Legion
I think if you take the SS ruthlessness, i.e., the blatant disregard of human rights, they would use any means necessary, including civilian massacres, the vietcong would be basically rendered unable to win. Guerrilla war only works through asymmetric terms of conflict and the use of civilian shields
I feel that this is more a "What if the Waffen SS took over the role of the allied forces in the vietnam war" rather than "Waffen SS vs Vietcong". But still an interesting concept.
The Waffen SS would have unleashed the renegade Dirlewinger and Kaminski brigades to terrorize the local populations, if not outright "pacify" the area by killing all the residents. Then use the mechanized elements to fight in the north when both the VC and the NVA came out into the open in the Tet offensive and probably get destroyed. I think the VC and the NVA would still have won but casualties would have been much, much higher.
I guess you could say that this matchup actually happened, After the war the French Foreign Legion was basically a largely re-branded German Army. The French government do not like to talk about the fact that they were very happy to take these highly trained battle harden solders and send them out to re-claim the colonies not just in Indochina but all over the world. Plus you also need to know that under the Vichy Government France and the Legion had mixed loyalties and many secrets. Also right after the war they were using the Japanese army to "Police" Indochina until they could re-establish a military in the region, so the influx of trained Germans made this much easier and faster. For the ex-German Soldier the Legion gave these men a new name and a clean history as long as you did your time any war crimes were basically swept under the rug and your past was gone and now your were whatever Nom de Guerre said you were, so Hans and Otto became Rene and Jacques. After every world conflict there are men from both sides that for one reason or another can't go home, don't want to go home or just need to disappear, the Legion offers them a new home, a new ID and a new citizenship, IF YOU DO THE TIME that you signed up to do.
People seem to forget that those who actually choose to fight for the French Foreign Legion have criminal histories. The FFL's policy of "You fight for use, you get a clean slate and French Citizenship" would definitely draw in ex-Nazis who weren't too proud and didn't want to be punished for war crimes.
The british and japanese nearly wiped out the vietckng entireley but withdrew and lost the war when they were ordered to prioritize other locations to save money.
@@MarioKaiba Not everyone that joins the Legion has a criminal history, there are many stories of guys that really had nothing else left in their lives joining. Also there is something of what I call a combat addiction. Some people get a taste for war and they develop a love hate relationship with. They join the Legion because it offers them the best chance to fill their need.
A bit overexaggerated, Germans weren’t the entire Legion. If I recall from Bernard Fall, the Legion took in many Spaniards escaping Franco and Eastern Europeans escaping the USSR. And to replenish casualties, the Legion also had to recruit battalions of local Asian auxiliaries.
if they fought in the same time period the SS was most likely be using sturmgewehrs or some sort of future derivative which should've shored them up the weaponry ranking.
Consider that the VC's biggest showing of force during the Vietnam Conflict was the Tet Offensive and was decisively crushed to the point that the North had to send regular NVA troops down to booster their numbers. Throw in that they're fighting a force that has few qualms about wiping out entire villages in revenge, thus eliminating their ability to hide in the populace and the VC don't have much of a chance. That is assuming of course this is a no holds barred match to the death where the SS won't get pulled out because the people at home are whining, which is what happened to the US.
Exactly, the US never lost due to military incapability, but due to civilian unpleasure. In a N-Germany Scenario this wouldnt happen due to both propaganda efforts and a different pop.-oppinion. You perfecfly summarized my thought of this hypothetical sceanrio with the only additions being Germanies proven Anti-Guerilla Tactics and the technological advantaged actively ignored in the video
The hippies who sold out South Vietnam are too invested in the unjust war narrative to ever let the truth come out in their lifetimes. That is why they still smear the conflict and its participants to this very day. Their monstrous egos are rooted in a big lie that defending an ally from invasion was somehow an act of imperialism.
no one can doubt the power of the americans, but the americans do not fight alone, they have 1 million native troops in the south and 300k allied mercenaries, it is very difficult but the americans cannot win overwhelmingly militarily, if they do they will not withdraw, because if they win the american people will be very happy and no one wants to put pressure on the government, remember in iraq, libya... and other light wars, no one objected, in afganishtan, they have sucked enough oil, and it was too boring there so they withdrew, not because of the strong military campaigns in vietnam but failed
The problem was the US couldn't just kill everyone they see. The SS could and sometimes did. Which makes guerilla warfare difficult if you dont just dress up as the SS themselves.
This kinda happened. A lot of SS troops joined the French Foreign Legion because of they were given I new Identity after 10 years. A lot of them fought in Vietnam.
The Vietcong count barely hold back the US Army. It took the United States, Britain, Russia, and a brutal winter to hold back the Germans. If it wasn't for all 4 (mainly Russia) we would all be speaking German right now.
@@edmundliankalang5925 Death Battle is actually more pop-culture, not just Video Games. Heck, Wiz's "Test their weapons, armor, and strength" line came directly from Deadliest Warrior. If you watched Deadliest Warrior and then Death Battle, you'd see the similarities.
Its a easy win for SS but you also forget that the SS had whole bunch of tactics, they even had a full group focused on guerilla warfare "Werewolf" and even the average SS soldier Was Trained in it
I’d say it is up to where the fight is, in Europe I’d say unfortunately the Nazis would win. In Vietnam, they’d get their cheeks clapped like what happened to the former SS men in the Foreign Legion.
@@MCKevin289i strongly believe the ss wouldve won. Just because the fact that they dont have givven a damn about human rights. They wouldve bombed half of the village and jungle. Nerv gas into the tunnels and flamethrowerd anywhere
@@lucasb1138 Yea that's the biggest issue I have with this video and comparison in general. They completely skim over the fact that they are trying to approach this with the US RoE mindset instead of how the germans would have historically acted during WW2. There are also tons of other bigger factors that they either clearly left out on purpose or just simply didn't want to bother with is that german commanders would have employed different tactics to deal with the issue, or completely redesigned and reinvent tactics to deal with the VC. You get Manstein in there with Rommel on designing new ways to deal with the VC then you would probably have a completely different outcome. Also take in the fact that the waffen SS would have zero hesitation to use nerv gas and other chemical warfare weaponry to flush out the tunnels and jungles. This is why you don't go into a video like this while keeping a US RoE mindset, because it's not how it will go down. Also almost forgot to mention, they never even talked about the fact that the SS would have the STG-44. So they are also leaving out equipment in the comparison, which further dilutes this videos.
They mentioned several early war submachine guns, but didn't mention the STG44, the first assault rifle and probably one of the best weapons during the war, and the SS received priority distribution of the weapon to boot...
It had some issues though it was the first and that is to be expected . But yeah they didn't mention it . Also I am pretty sure the Nazis wouldn't have placed the same rules of engagement on their troops that the US Congress did to the US Military in Vietnam. It was the ROE's that made fighting the war in Vietnam that much more difficult for the US Military.
Should make this into a short series or something. What if battles across history. Romans versus the Mongols. Medieval knights versus the samurai. Navy seals vs Spetznaz. Would be fun to see.
In MACV-SOG, a Green Beret by the name of Nick Brokhausen would sometimes wear an SS stahlhelm and goggles. Apparently, he got the helmet from either his grandfather or his uncle.
The moment I received the notification, I was stoked out and this video brought me back memories from the tv show that I used to watch. Hopefully they'll make more videos like this one.
Yeah about that we vietnamese have way to counter the gas u know just read some book about rat tunnel in vietnam war US try to use gas too but they fail
Good video. Sadly, it makes me miss Deadliest Warrior. Also, the Waffen SS wouldn't try following them into the jungle more than once. Seriously, after a few failures they'd just set everything on fire or resort to other tactics to force the Vietcong out of the jungle. Unlike the US, they weren't bound by the Geneva Convention. And they did see anyone not of the "Master Race" as human, Imperial Japan only got a pass because Hitler needed an ally to divide the USSR's attention. So all the tactics that the US were frowned upon, the Waffen SS would do anyway without high command giving a damn.
Considering how ruthless the SS were, it's safe to say they'd destroy everything and everyone who is in their way. With no morals and a free pass to do what they wanted to the enemy, they would annihilate the VC by any means necessary.
Great video and analysis . I would like to mention that the Vietcong were entirely adapted to fighting in the jungles on there own terms. They were brilliant at that. The Germans are very intelligent people and I don't think they would just let the Vietcong choose the terms of a battle. If they did need to fight in a tunnel infested jungle, I think they would have appropriately modified their equipment and tactics. The German army of WWII was specifically designed for the European theater. This is kind of a fish out of water scenario.
Already happened(being factual is debatable)…In the book Devil’s Guard by George Robert Elford a SS Lieutenant Hans Josef Wagemueller which after WWII was put in the French foreign legion along with many other Germans from different branches to fight against the Viet Minh. Hans utilized the book “The Jungle Is Neutral” by a British officer Freddie Chapman to understand how to keep his fellow Kameraden alive in the Vietnam environment.
It would be interesting to pair the German Military of WW2 to the NVA. The latter were supplied and trained by Russian advisors, with a few select units being trained by Spetsnaz GRU, who probably had training based on not only combat experience against the Nazis, but also against Western powers in the Korean War.
I remember growing up and waiting for the newest deadliest warrior episode to come out to see with my buddies. Honestly looking back it was such a B rated show lol. I also always felt they lacked to add so much kit and training into the tests but I guess for the sake of time. Old school Spetsnaz vs Green Berets was still funny looking back on, seeing current events and LAPD vs GSG9 was funny too. I would love to see this be a series on this channel done in way more detail.
To basically sum things up. “Let’s replace the Americans with the SS!” (Seriously they are both conventional armies who would get bogged down in guerrilla actions just as they did in real life. Most likely the SS will employ a more violent approach but otherwise it be basically the same expect the VC screaming: “GO HOME KRAUT.”)
@@tomhenry897 corpses cant shoot rifles. the SS despite what is said in the video had inferior arms with only a few exceptions. bolt action rifles against kalashnikovs.... cmon.
@@Slava_Ukraini1991Against the end of the war they got better equipment,because Hitler didn't trust the wehrmacht anymore. But they were never really good soldiers,they were a Party-militia. The Wehrmacht hated them because they fought without any sense of strategy or tactics and had to be rescued all the time
@@lukiuki8395 they still used SMGs and bolt actions rifles as their main armaments. it was impossible to outfit all of them with modernized weapons because german production numbers could not match the number of soldiers.
It was understandable by the fact US is 1st army in the world and they drop tons of bomb,chemical weapon,napalm ... on vietnam but in the end they still fail to get what they want and have 50k dead .if vn only win on polotical they still gonna losed so they still a good soldier no matter what
Most of the casualties are civilians lol, the US just need raid a random village and then say that they are hiding VCs, boom, they will have a lot of VCs to kill. Also in many battles in the Vietnam war, every body part counted as casualties.
@@Robert-hy3vv that was just the force in south vietnam. and they were not completely defeated, the us and allies at their peak had 2 million troops, 1 million native soldiers, 700k us troops, and 300k allied troops. after the victory the viet cong defeated the genocidal polpot regime (cambodia) in just 2 weeks in the south, and defeated the invading chinese army in the north "at the same time".
Realistically, the whole thing comes down to which of the two parties would invade the other's country. During the Vietnam War, the VC had the home field advantage in their country's jungles and knew how to use it.
Nah, even with trainging and equipment aside, the SS has the natural advantage of size but the most important thing here is will power which the SS man definetly have given his fanaticism. The VC would be put down like any other partisan and treated with less mercy as the SS man had no constraints (unlike the Americans and her allies at the time) and motiavated politcally and racially
@@蔣介石8733 The Americans had a size and weight advantage, too, but did that help them against the VC's guerilla tactics? And fanaticism doesn't help much if you are fighting in an environment which is alien and hostile to you, but in which the enemy knows how to turn every nook and cranny into a death trap.
@@Daniel4646 i mean, what real downsize could being physical superior to the enemy be? And its not like the commies knew every inch and every tree of the Southern jungles, plenty were Northerns that went South so I dont think being a European worsens your position much (except the heat and tropical climate). My idea on the matter was formed entirely on the relativly small casaulties (in comparision to vietnamese ones) and America didnt really lose much except some pride since their folk after war could keep living a normal life instead of having kids pick up scrap metal and walk thru minefields etc. I just dont think they were very committed to fighting communism. The only real lost of the war were the Southern folks that lost their Republic.
The Viet Cong was an armed communist organization and movement in South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. Formally organized as the National Liberation Front of South Vietnam, it fought under the direction of North Vietnam against the South Vietnamese and United States governments during the Vietnam War. The organization had both guerrilla and regular army units, as well as a network of cadres who organized and mobilized peasants in the territory the Viet Cong controlled. During the war, communist fighters and some anti-war activists claimed that the Viet Cong was an insurgency indigenous to the South, while the U.S. and South Vietnamese governments portrayed the group as a tool of North Vietnam. According to Trần Văn Trà, the Viet Cong's top commander, and the post-war Vietnamese government's official history, the Viet Cong followed orders from Hanoi and were practically part of the People's Army of Vietnam, or North Vietnamese army.
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The SS do have experience fighting guerillas. They were called on to fight the french and polish resistances, who often used similar tactics. They would struggle at first, but the SS would inevitably win because they're not bound by a code of ethics and often used scorched earth tactics. The vietcong relied on the population for supplies such as food, so if the SS started burning down towns and villages, they would starve them out and kill possible spies and informants in the process.
What’s really interesting is how the Viet people reacted to antique Song China invading They put up many revolts just like what they did to America and France
We already know how this would play out. At the end of WWII former Waffen SS Manner joined the French Foreign Legion and were sent to Viet Nam. They proved to be extremely effective at combatting the insurgents. France elected a moronic labor Goverment who felt that it was inappropriate to use former NAZIs to combat indigenous peoples so they were withdrawn. Then followed Dien Bien Phu and the rest is history.
It continues to fascinate me that in the Vietnam War the Americans spent the entire budget on the best technologies and weapons and still lost due to Viet Cong traps made with sticks.
Well the thing is the US wasn’t having a hard time killing the enemy they were having a hard time making sure more didn’t come back, they just kept swinging at the head of the hydra weren’t able to stab the heart. All that while the VC were able to hide in residential areas and jungles while slowly whittle down US forces and stall for time.
@@SandrasSpicySpanishSalami you would need an unlimited supply of cannon fodder to hold vietnam. the french could not do it and neither could the americans. what makes you think the germans have a chance?
@@Slava_Ukraini1991americans had only 50.000 deaths and vietcong had 2million. 20 vietnamese for every kia american. "Why" would germans have a chance? Because ww2 era germans fought unhumane like genghis khan. They would do things the american and french wouldnt do.
Note: the Soviets also gave the VC German WWII weapons from the stockpile they got from dead or surrendered Germans. The Americans were surprised when they found them
The MP40 WAS in the Vietnam war. Vietcong fighters had possession of some of the SMGs. as for the Kar98k, It was one of the many unscoped bolt action rifles used by the VC.
Here’s my take on this: it truly comes down to the environment itself on who is most likely the victor. Sorry but the SS fighting the Victcong in their own homeland, well… if America struggled when they had helicopters, deforestation chemicals, numerous bombings and napalm to an enemy who really didn’t have any tanks. How could the SS fair any better who had lesser technology accessible? Now if the Vietcong were actually foolish enough, which I highly doubt, to fight the SS in open and conventional combat. Then I don’t see them lasting long, nor would the SS take prisoners if but to torture. Sure the SS are ideological driven, highly trained, and could be considered “elite.” But that only goes so far if you can’t even fight an enemy on your own terms and control when to fight and when not to.
Well for starts the luftwaffe was so much more accurate that the USAF in Vietnam. Get someone like Rommel to lead and I feel you will get results. Rommel was a brilliant commander but he had a heart and humanity. Just look how he treated POWs. I feel this will make the difference over raw fire power. You fight differently when you respect your enemy. All those who fought rommel respected him because while ruthless and efficient. He was never cruel and treated enemies like humans if caught.
Tanks in the jungle? Thats not exactly the best environment and they already showed that. Also the VC had pretty decent AA capabilities and were able to take down jets. If they could take down a jet, imagine a WWII plane flying half as fast
People need to stop meat riding Rommel. He was a good commander but only because he was placed in the right conditions at the right time. It’s funny because the Allies praised Rommel more than Hitler ever did, it was a way for them to find an excuse for them losing battles in North Africa.
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zvallid made a nice video surrounding this alternate history scenario, and it's really cool when different videos and people sort of build a world together.
There were multiple Variants of the Panzerfaust, but i believe the 60m vairant was the most common, as portrayed by video games, sometimes you get the ocassional 30m version (Probably meant for Wolksarmee or something.) Also, because of the fact you forgot to mention the STG-44 and G-43 wich would have the priority of being issued to the SS (Because they are the elite) technically the Vietnameese would be better because of their Assault Rifles.
I am Vietnamese and know a lot about my country's history and army. Things are a little different from what the video says. The Viet Cong were not easy to defeat, they had a large scale organization, they confused the US army with modern weapons and unique tactics. They didn't rush out and fight like crazy. Even though the SS forces were well trained, they were just like American soldiers, but it was not comfortable being in the tropical jungle in Vietnam. The Viet Cong also had different tactics to counter the enemy's tactics and proved effective when fighting the Americans.
@utekaltenbachpokrant7597Alright. If you think Americans are not brutal enough, use Korean soldiers for comparison. Have you ever heard the story about Korean soldiers fighting in Vietnam? There are stories that many people do not dare to think about, in fact they are more brutal than SS soldiers.
@@ano-bh4wlmore brutal like what? Can they do the same thing like German putting people on concentration camp? USA army sucks in ground force unlike Soviet and German Soviet is stronger than Vietnam and look what German did to them
Don't forget the STG-44 which was the precursor to the modern Assault Rifle, yes made up term that is so broad in meaning just about anything could be called that but for the purposes of this comment I am referring to M16s and AK 47s or anything else world militaries came up with for their Armies during the Cold War.
@@Freezefort Actually you are half right. You can translate it that way but Sturm doesn't mean assault it means Storm but given the use of words like storm, lightning, and such throughout the Wehrmacht I suppose you could make that stretch.
@@Freezefort Let me answer it this way. When was the first time you ever heard such weapons called this? I mean officially, as in even the military or police used it. I was in the US Navy and we never used this term for an M4 or any other weapon instead small arms would be used. Small arms is anything you can carry in your hand or hands. So M4s, shotguns even handguns. Sidearm would be pistols and the like that would be carried in a holster either on your belt or tactical vest. To make a long story short, assault rifle is never used. I was also a detention officer trainee with a Sheriff's office and same thing that term was never used while I was working for them. In fact, weapon was a more commonly heard word than anything else. Now can I speak for every Sheriff's office or Police? Nope, so there could be exceptions but as far as anything I have seen or heard I have only heard this term recently and always by leftists protesting the 2nd amendment or by folks who have never handled a gun in their lives and more than likely don't know anything about them.
@@asgaiyawaya3973I am currently serving in Mexico's military service I see that you Americans don't like the term assault rifle but here in Mexico the term does exist. we had our instructor call our FX-05 "Fusil de Asalto" im sure the definition changes in each country but here the term does exist in a military level just for the FX05 , He called the G3 and the FAL as "Fusil de Combate" I think it would translate to battle rifle or something like that. I am not trying to start any conflict cause I understand that there are different perspectives from different militaries and people on that term but it is nice to know your country's perspective.
This is awesome! I can’t wait to see other deadliest warrior specials. Here are some suggestion, some of which are based on the Spike series: - Celt vs Persian Immortal - Dahomey amazon vs Oiorpata (or Scythian amazon) - Cartel vs Yakuza - Conquistador vs Pirate - Janissary vs French Musketeer
@@rtxranger7482 I know which is why stated: “some of which are based on the deadliest warrior series from Spike”. And in case you don’t know, they already did a match up between Waffen SS vs Viet Kong. More importantly what do you think of my other suggestions?
vietcong side has terrain and nature advantage because most german tank is to heavy to move in Vietnam and the panzer 3 , panzer 4 , stug 3 and 38 (t) is the only choice also most vietcong are using auto gun , semi-auto gun so the win rate is increase for the vietcong side , but the catch is german is having firepower advantage due to their mg-42 and a massive army size Since the mp gun exist , there no chance for vietcong doing close quarter combat I didn't watched the whole video
I'm pretty sure the Nazis would win solely because they had absolutely no qualms about murdering everyone. If the vietnamese took to guerilla warfare then the Nazis would destroy entire civilian villages, likely even threaten the lives of soldiers innocent family to get them to surrender. While there was undoubtedly some of that from the US side, I don't think we'd see it to the same extent compared to what the Nazis would do. It was already an unpopular war in the US but Hitler would have been able to spin the massacres in a way that allowed him to get away with genocide...I mean, he did it already.
We bombed villages for 20 years straight there were over 70,000 cases of American soldiers massacring and burning Vietnamese villages and killing civilians. Also almost every Vietnamese man woman or child fought in guerilla warfare if 1970s America couldn't do it 40s Germany can't
@@veno3064 I still think that America was limited by it's lack of approval for the war and overall morale. Citizens didn't want the war and soldiers didn't want to be there but Hitler had the uncanny ability to convince the populace that what they were doing was just and proper. Despite what the US already did, they could have still done worse and with an army driven to do whatever it took to win, the Nazis would likely systematically raze every village they came across until the opposition surrendered.
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Do more hypothetical matches!
Like the Italian Blackshirts vs the Chinese Red Guards!
*Can you guys make History Of Cyprus island video? Please...
you p.o.s. you stole this from deadliest warrior episode
Can you make a video about Samantha Smith, an 11-year old girl who went to USSR after she write a letter to Andropov
You have also remember and put into consideration that they wouldn’t be able to hide within the local population. Germans officers/leaders especially in the SS had the ‘you kill Germans, we kill a village’ approach. This would eliminate a lot of that confusion in urban/ village environments.
True that would give the SS an advantage but they still have the Jungles and booby - traps 🪤 which the SS would have a tough time dealing with.
@@Jean_Jacques148but the Vietcong would eventually be low on men and those traps would be less common, and they would probably adapt
you think america didn't do it, lol?
you cant beat a insurgency the vietkong everyman you kill is like 5 more that shoot at you with their dads hunting rifle@@shelbylover1359
@@DrkShdAmerica definitely did mark villages as free-fire zones if they thought VC were present, but the SS would actively be trying to wipe out villages.
This actually happened. Many SS joined the French legion which were then sent to Vietnam. There are also many stories about German soldiers who joined the Viet Minh.
There's an excellent book on this called 'the devils guard'
And the legion got their cheeks clapped by men in pajamas
@@MCKevin289TBH Insurgencies just suck to fight in general, the soviets nor the US could occupy Afghanistan, Russia had the Chechens, the coalition had insurgents to deal with as well.
@@MCKevin289 guerilla warfare is almost impossible to win against
Japanese soldiers also joined them. After WW2 ended, there were many Japanese soldiers left in Southeast Asia, including in Indochina. They had a choice between prioritizing anticommunism and joining the West against the Viet Minh (some Japanese soldiers were briefly used to fight against them before the French fully moved back in) or prioritizing pan-Asianism and joining the Viet Minh against the French. It’s thought that the Japanese who joined the Viet Minh may have helped them to become so good at guerrilla warfare.
Actually, most Vietcong AKs were Chinese variants, particularly the Type 56 with folding spike bayonet. Chinese made AK and SKS were far more common in Vietnam than Soviet ones.
The chinese were taking soviet armaments supplied to vietnam and dispatching them in limited quantity.The chinese border was the closest route to supply the NVA
Yeah it was about to say the same. Russian AKs existed but the majority were Chinese clones. The VC was also not nearly as under-equipped or untrained as people think. China not only sent modern weapons and supplied the Vietnamese well using supply lines like the HCM Trail but they also sent experienced advisors who cut their teeth fighting in the Chinese Civil War and Korea, the notion that the VC were under trained or unfamiliar with their kit may have been true early in the war, but certainly not by the end of it. Using this assumption in the matchup is like comparing Naruto and Luffy... if Naruto was from season 1 only and Luffy is current.
@@muhacnt7988there was also the Ho Chi Minh trail in the central Highlands which stretched from North Vietnam and snaked through Cambodia and Laos where the US could not intercept until a bombing campaign was launched to make the trail unusable; but to no effect
@@aztec0996 The scorched earth tactics is candy and sunshine compared to how many bombs they launched in the ho chi minh trial.Literally more bombs dropped than ww2 combined.
Death to satanic murica
I'm Vietnamese and In our old days when we were fighting France there were a lot of Germans in our army (SS troops from the French Foreign) who wanted to fight for us the Vietminh some of them became our national heroes. Now we still respectfully remember their contributions. OH there are also a lot of people in our army( Vietminh) these days too like Japanese, Greeks, Sweden, and Africans. Thank you guys a lot
Do you have some names?
@@MzeeWeeed Ernst Frey, Erwin Borscher, Rudy Schröder, Kostas Sarantidis, Colonel Ikawa, Major Ishii - Nguyễn Văn Thông, Colonel Mukayama, ....
Vive l'Union française 💙🇨🇵✨
All true, if you read Rumor of War by Phillip Cavito many South Vietnamese officers learned German so they could communicate with the foreign legionnaires.
what? german heroes?
This was actually presented on that show "World's Deadliest Warrior" where they took different fighters from different periods and places and had them fight each other. The Waffen SS was pitted against the Viet Cong and likewise they claimed the Waffen SS would win. In regards to hand to hand fighting it seems the Germans placed less emphasis on it than the Allied forces limiting their fighting to bayonets and their spades and maybe something else. The Waffen SS might have had some other fighting moves taught to them that weren't taught to the rest of the German military. As for Vietnam they do have a few native martial arts like their neighbors do, so it is possible they may have learned some fighting techniques. This is all speculation on my part.
The show was just called “Deadliest Warrior”
Nah i uzed to watch it the show was called The Worlds most deadlyist warriors. I guarantee yku bucko 🖖@@tarabinko
Technically the Waffen SS did fight them during the Indochina war. The French Foreign Legion had a ton of former SS and German Wehrmacht Soldiers.
Lauri Törni a Finnish SS Green Beret
@@zoomerschutzstaffel441 yep I remember him there's also a really good book called The Devil's Guard that goes into deep detail about them.
Any remaining when America took over (and it became Vietnam)?
@@danielcurtis1434 I think in that book I mentioned there were some Waffen SS veterans that stuck around in Vietnam even after the fall of Saigon.
And the french gotbkicked early
Some divisions were experts in fighting Guerillas. They were used extensively in Yugoslavia and the rear of the eastern front.
same with american divisions that were veterans in japan it did not make a difference the germans would still lose
The SS was experienced in wipeing out villages and had no ROEs like the Americans
Balkan guerillas were truly the worst europe had to offer yeah, but a jungle? With marshschtiefel? Yeah, tough luck there.
Still couldn’t clear out one vc tunnel system though
That’s a good point, but the things about insurgencies is that one dead insurgent results in several more joining the cause. They’d literally need to kill the entire country of tens of millions with extended supply lines and this time without land based logistics like they had in WW2. Combine that with the lack of knowledge of jungle fighting, no helicopters to quickly get in and out of the jungle to fight the VC, and assuming no cooperation with the South Vietnamese government if they ignore ROEs means they would probably lose
This is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object
Which is which?
@@Davidf901pretty easy to see which is which
When a military meets open waters with no boat
I know the N.V.A ,and V.C. did not like dealing with the Koreans. They tried to avoid it!
Who is who?
Thank you @Simplehistory, we need more video like this, putting German ww2 units against other historical units !
Ich hatte einen Arbeitskollegen, der am Ende WW II, als 17jähriger von der SS eingezogen wurde. Dann französische Gefangenschaft, Fremdenlegio in Indoschina, wenn er auf einer Betriebsfeier etwas über den Durst getrunken hat, fing er an , vietnamesisch zu singen und weinte für seine gefallenen Kameraden. Echt traurig. Er sagte, er hatte dort viele Menschen sterben sehen. RIP.
The SS was not a drafted service though…💀💀
@@Bopbricks1774 It was at the end of the war.
@@Bopbricks1774 Towards the end of the war, when they no longer had the amount of volunteers required to replace their losses, people would indeed be conscripted.
When a unit is below strength like that, the only other option is to disband it and fold their members into other units. Which they didn't really want to do.
One of the goofiest commando raids I heard of, Operation: Stormtroopers.
During the Korean War, a special forces officer named Lt. Colonel J.D. Vanderpool was in Seoul when he happened upon a depot full of all the gear needed to cloth a Waffen SS unit, including weapons. This officer had a novel idea. He went to his buddy, Captain George Lamm, who was preparing a jump behind enemy lines and convinced him to dress his men from head to toe as Waffen SS grenadiers.
Two weeks later they jumped near Haeju, North Korea. Fourteen Americans dressed as SS grenadiers. For two days they caused confusion, grabbing twelve confused North Koreans as prisoners. They got out via swift boats without a single casualty over their two-day mission.
According to author Ed Evanhoe, the Soviet ambassador handed a mystified West German ambassador a formal complaint, charging German troops were operating in Korea. There was no word on the German ambassadors response.
Thanks for the anecdote
US trolling again lmao
Powermove
Do you have any online sources that I could look upon. This is a goofy topic to read and I wish to learn more!
Framed em
Technically this actually has happened in history with former Waffen SS Soldiers signing up to the French foreign legion and fighting in French Indochina. There's even a book about it called Devil's Guard by George Robert Elford.
Because the ss soldiers did not have thế will of fighting like ww2 also they did not have a good leader
These three books are complete fantasy.
@@waldganger5244why do you say that?
I red all three books and you should recognize that it was not possible. You can google it. Try books from Jean Mabire. @@ajax54
@@ajax54I am also curious to know why
This was a very cool video, I like these type of content comparing military unit! Thank you
German soldier: “Achoo!”
His buddy: “Gesundheit”
The tree: *“Ban phước cho bạn”*
In these last 6 months I've learned a lot of things I didn't know about the war and I'm very grateful for this channel
Hope they have all their fact right before u go believing everything they post
This particular video was nonsense, the Vietcong dragged Cold War US army into an unwinnable fight, how the heck a 1944 army would survive an adversary with RPGs and AK47s is beyond any possibility. Even by WW2 soviets with numerous PPSHs and US infantry with M1 garands were significantly more powerful than Kar98k infantry
@@nahuelleandroarroyoi think they kinda glorified the panzer faust and the other launcher’ because a rpg from the 1960’s-1970’s would easily triumph against those launchers
Just no
Deadliest Warrior memories are coming back. Ahhhh, a classic
a man of culture, noice
I miss that show…
I want that show to come back
That brings back memories of the early 2010s, despite that show being biased and flawed.
"SS vs Vietcong? Let's find out!"
- French Officer in 1950, looking at some foreign legion soldiers
Without good leaders and will
1:06 is this is supposed to be a BO zombies reference?
So on the left you have an elite mountainous army that find a way to utilize heaven support and establish ambushes for their prey.... then on the right side you have the voc, a guerrilla force that also have an expertise is ambushing and hit and run tactics... this would be such a powerful match up yo😮
I'm happy that this show is finally getting recognition
Ong, I've been a fan of this show for so long
Said Sly Cooper
I have every episode on Amazon prime. Lol I’ve watched it so many times. Sometimes I go to sleep to it.
Some of the episodes were really stupid like spartan vs ninja really. Ninja weren’t warriors made to fight in the front lines they could fight but they weren’t meant to fight in the open. Spartans were made to fight their enemies head on, they had several weaknesses at range.
@@eaglewarrior7979 oh yea, but also at the same time that was one of the first episodes and I think they going for creativity instead of balanced on that one. But they definitely started learning from their mistakes after those first 5 episodes. The first one was good though.
I remember when deadliest warrior did this episode !!! . So awesome to see other opinions
I remember that too
Same
@well change your name and let’s see what you can do
I really liked that show. I would have loved if they had done a faceoff between Ulysees S Grant and the Duke of Wellington.
Dude just don't remembered of the French Foreign Legion that fought in Indochina in the 50's and was filled for about 80% by these german electricians.
Me: "Hey, I've seen this before! This is a classic!"
People who haven't seen Deadliest Warrior: "What'd you mean? It's brand new."
(in retrospect Deadliest Warrior isn't a great show but it was fun to watch).
It was fun especially the final battles
A blast from the past. Def fun to watch if you don't take it too seriously. My favorite matchups were Ming Warrior vs Musketeer and French Foreign Legion vs Ghurkas.
@Raytheon27 my favorite was Shaka Zulu vs William Wallace and IRA vs Taliban
I’d say it was a great show in retrospect. Was an introduction to ideas and topics, had a good amount of background research, was accessible to a non-niche audience, and was super fun, both in terms of banter and testing, as well as final scenarios. Personally I’d probably prefer it over like 90% of present day shows in general.
Yes, it was I enjoyed the matchups in Deadliest Warrior inculding this one, zombies vs. vampires, and the Green Beret vs. Spetsnaz.
In real life, SS fought with Vietcong in First Indochina War (In that war, Vietcong has other name was Vietminh) in Dien Bien Phu, and SS fought under French Legion
I think if you take the SS ruthlessness, i.e., the blatant disregard of human rights, they would use any means necessary, including civilian massacres, the vietcong would be basically rendered unable to win. Guerrilla war only works through asymmetric terms of conflict and the use of civilian shields
I feel that this is more a "What if the Waffen SS took over the role of the allied forces in the vietnam war" rather than "Waffen SS vs Vietcong".
But still an interesting concept.
TNO Moment
@@jamesedwardladislazerrudo1378play hoi4 mods the new order 💀
AlternateHistoryHub, or maybe some other youtuber definitely made a scenario like this, where if Germany fought in Vietnam.
Yeah it's like he forgot the Germans used flamethrowers and could care less about brutality.
The Waffen SS would have unleashed the renegade Dirlewinger and Kaminski brigades to terrorize the local populations, if not outright "pacify" the area by killing all the residents. Then use the mechanized elements to fight in the north when both the VC and the NVA came out into the open in the Tet offensive and probably get destroyed. I think the VC and the NVA would still have won but casualties would have been much, much higher.
I guess you could say that this matchup actually happened, After the war the French Foreign Legion was basically a largely re-branded German Army. The French government do not like to talk about the fact that they were very happy to take these highly trained battle harden solders and send them out to re-claim the colonies not just in Indochina but all over the world. Plus you also need to know that under the Vichy Government France and the Legion had mixed loyalties and many secrets. Also right after the war they were using the Japanese army to "Police" Indochina until they could re-establish a military in the region, so the influx of trained Germans made this much easier and faster. For the ex-German Soldier the Legion gave these men a new name and a clean history as long as you did your time any war crimes were basically swept under the rug and your past was gone and now your were whatever Nom de Guerre said you were, so Hans and Otto became Rene and Jacques. After every world conflict there are men from both sides that for one reason or another can't go home, don't want to go home or just need to disappear, the Legion offers them a new home, a new ID and a new citizenship, IF YOU DO THE TIME that you signed up to do.
People seem to forget that those who actually choose to fight for the French Foreign Legion have criminal histories. The FFL's policy of "You fight for use, you get a clean slate and French Citizenship" would definitely draw in ex-Nazis who weren't too proud and didn't want to be punished for war crimes.
The british and japanese nearly wiped out the vietckng entireley but withdrew and lost the war when they were ordered to prioritize other locations to save money.
@@MarioKaiba Not everyone that joins the Legion has a criminal history, there are many stories of guys that really had nothing else left in their lives joining. Also there is something of what I call a combat addiction. Some people get a taste for war and they develop a love hate relationship with. They join the Legion because it offers them the best chance to fill their need.
A bit overexaggerated, Germans weren’t the entire Legion. If I recall from Bernard Fall, the Legion took in many Spaniards escaping Franco and Eastern Europeans escaping the USSR. And to replenish casualties, the Legion also had to recruit battalions of local Asian auxiliaries.
Sounds like a mgs storyline but real
if they fought in the same time period the SS was most likely be using sturmgewehrs or some sort of future derivative which should've shored them up the weaponry ranking.
I feel like whatever gun it woulda been, it would have looked similar to a g3
Probably a way more advanced sturmgewehrs or what the comment above is saying, something like a HK G3
The ONLY time the MG34/42 was considered a heavy machine gun, is when they were on the heavy tripod firing.
Consider that the VC's biggest showing of force during the Vietnam Conflict was the Tet Offensive and was decisively crushed to the point that the North had to send regular NVA troops down to booster their numbers.
Throw in that they're fighting a force that has few qualms about wiping out entire villages in revenge, thus eliminating their ability to hide in the populace and the VC don't have much of a chance.
That is assuming of course this is a no holds barred match to the death where the SS won't get pulled out because the people at home are whining, which is what happened to the US.
Exactly, the US never lost due to military incapability, but due to civilian unpleasure. In a N-Germany Scenario this wouldnt happen due to both propaganda efforts and a different pop.-oppinion. You perfecfly summarized my thought of this hypothetical sceanrio with the only additions being Germanies proven Anti-Guerilla Tactics and the technological advantaged actively ignored in the video
The hippies who sold out South Vietnam are too invested in the unjust war narrative to ever let the truth come out in their lifetimes. That is why they still smear the conflict and its participants to this very day. Their monstrous egos are rooted in a big lie that defending an ally from invasion was somehow an act of imperialism.
@@silask.7370don't forget N Germany Had No Jurisdiction In The Geneva Convention
no one can doubt the power of the americans, but the americans do not fight alone, they have 1 million native troops in the south and 300k allied mercenaries, it is very difficult but the americans cannot win overwhelmingly militarily, if they do they will not withdraw, because if they win the american people will be very happy and no one wants to put pressure on the government, remember in iraq, libya... and other light wars, no one objected, in afganishtan, they have sucked enough oil, and it was too boring there so they withdrew, not because of the strong military campaigns in vietnam but failed
Niga act like vietnam have superior weapon, if vietnam have fire power like us had, the usa death number would be 1m
It really all comes down to the environment imo, the Germans weren't much better with traversing unfamiliar territory, much like US forces.
The problem was the US couldn't just kill everyone they see. The SS could and sometimes did. Which makes guerilla warfare difficult if you dont just dress up as the SS themselves.
The SS didn’t have ROEs like the Americans did
@@Freezefort That just mean you are turning whole country into partisans. Just like what happened when Germany entered Eastern Europe.
They did good during the Africa campaign
Like the russian winter? You can't really compare that can't you 😄
"History is not written by the victor it's written by those who write stuff down"-Max miller tasting history
True words
History is written by whoever has the media in their pocket.
This kinda happened. A lot of SS troops joined the French Foreign Legion because of they were given I new Identity after 10 years. A lot of them fought in Vietnam.
Under French control
@@tomhenry897 And also under North vietnamese control.
The Vietcong count barely hold back the US Army.
It took the United States, Britain, Russia, and a brutal winter to hold back the Germans. If it wasn't for all 4 (mainly Russia) we would all be speaking German right now.
I love this concept ! Continue !
Chris you have the perfect narrator voice. It's like you were born for it
Chris isn't the one narrating this episode.
This isnt even Chris.
This HAS to become a series. Let's do the whole Deadliest Warrior rematches.
Or Deathbattle
Those would be Fantastic Epic Videos !!
@@agentepolaris4914 Death Battle was inspired by Deadliest Warrior.
@@MarioKaibaexcept death battle was more video game fighters than historical figures
@@edmundliankalang5925 Death Battle is actually more pop-culture, not just Video Games. Heck, Wiz's "Test their weapons, armor, and strength" line came directly from Deadliest Warrior. If you watched Deadliest Warrior and then Death Battle, you'd see the similarities.
Its a easy win for SS but you also forget that the SS had whole bunch of tactics, they even had a full group focused on guerilla warfare "Werewolf" and even the average SS soldier Was Trained in it
I’d say it is up to where the fight is, in Europe I’d say unfortunately the Nazis would win. In Vietnam, they’d get their cheeks clapped like what happened to the former SS men in the Foreign Legion.
@@MCKevin289i strongly believe the ss wouldve won.
Just because the fact that they dont have givven a damn about human rights. They wouldve bombed half of the village and jungle. Nerv gas into the tunnels and flamethrowerd anywhere
@@lucasb1138 Yea that's the biggest issue I have with this video and comparison in general. They completely skim over the fact that they are trying to approach this with the US RoE mindset instead of how the germans would have historically acted during WW2. There are also tons of other bigger factors that they either clearly left out on purpose or just simply didn't want to bother with is that german commanders would have employed different tactics to deal with the issue, or completely redesigned and reinvent tactics to deal with the VC. You get Manstein in there with Rommel on designing new ways to deal with the VC then you would probably have a completely different outcome.
Also take in the fact that the waffen SS would have zero hesitation to use nerv gas and other chemical warfare weaponry to flush out the tunnels and jungles. This is why you don't go into a video like this while keeping a US RoE mindset, because it's not how it will go down.
Also almost forgot to mention, they never even talked about the fact that the SS would have the STG-44. So they are also leaving out equipment in the comparison, which further dilutes this videos.
@@lucasb1138yeah they would invade North Vietnam and flip a middle finger to China.
@@ryanbales8116 Macbeth invade it Zoo
They mentioned several early war submachine guns, but didn't mention the STG44, the first assault rifle and probably one of the best weapons during the war, and the SS received priority distribution of the weapon to boot...
It had some issues though it was the first and that is to be expected . But yeah they didn't mention it . Also I am pretty sure the Nazis wouldn't have placed the same rules of engagement on their troops that the US Congress did to the US Military in Vietnam. It was the ROE's that made fighting the war in Vietnam that much more difficult for the US Military.
Should make this into a short series or something. What if battles across history. Romans versus the Mongols. Medieval knights versus the samurai. Navy seals vs Spetznaz. Would be fun to see.
In MACV-SOG, a Green Beret by the name of Nick Brokhausen would sometimes wear an SS stahlhelm and goggles. Apparently, he got the helmet from either his grandfather or his uncle.
Larry Thorne was a MACV-SOG captain in Vietnam. Before joining the US Army as a private he was a Hauptsturmführer in the Waffen-SS during WW2
@@OllihuAkbar Larry Thorne (Lauri Allan Törni (28 May 1919 - 18 October 1965) was born in Finland and was Finnish,
wearing an SS stahlhelm in the orient in the fight against communism? What a powermove
@@蔣介石8733 More than likely, they would've worn a pith helmet due to the temps and humidity.
@@OllihuAkbar And before that he was Finnish Army fighting against the Soviets in the Winter War. The man who fought under 3 flags.
I coulda swore thus was covered on a episode of deadliest warrior , PLEASE DO MORE OF THESE ,THIS WAS AWSOME!
It was! I used to love that show! It's a shame it got canceled
It was! I used to love that show! It's a shame it got canceled
The moment I received the notification, I was stoked out and this video brought me back memories from the tv show that I used to watch.
Hopefully they'll make more videos like this one.
Deadliest Warrior episode Waffen SS vs Viet Cong
VC: *has tunnels*
Waffen-SS: *releases gas*
Yeah about that we vietnamese have way to counter the gas u know just read some book about rat tunnel in vietnam war US try to use gas too but they fail
The US used gases for the tunnels too but failed
Tear gas not nerve gas
Tear gas and zyclon are different
@@ToasterStrudelFantear gas?
America was willing to use angent orange, I doubted that they will stop at only using tear gas
Love this show, really got me into history, still hoping on a unit video on MAV-SOG
Good video. Sadly, it makes me miss Deadliest Warrior. Also, the Waffen SS wouldn't try following them into the jungle more than once. Seriously, after a few failures they'd just set everything on fire or resort to other tactics to force the Vietcong out of the jungle. Unlike the US, they weren't bound by the Geneva Convention. And they did see anyone not of the "Master Race" as human, Imperial Japan only got a pass because Hitler needed an ally to divide the USSR's attention. So all the tactics that the US were frowned upon, the Waffen SS would do anyway without high command giving a damn.
the us in the vietnam war used napalm and chemical agents to clear out va and jungle
did that work? kinda yes but also kinda no
@@greatestape960 True though I think the major difference is vc fighters couldnt get food if the farmers are dead thats my thoughts though.
@@greatestape960their generals sucks
Considering how ruthless the SS were, it's safe to say they'd destroy everything and everyone who is in their way. With no morals and a free pass to do what they wanted to the enemy, they would annihilate the VC by any means necessary.
Yeah they probably burn the Forrest down
Great video and analysis . I would like to mention that the Vietcong were entirely adapted to fighting in the jungles on there own terms. They were brilliant at that. The Germans are very intelligent people and I don't think they would just let the Vietcong choose the terms of a battle. If they did need to fight in a tunnel infested jungle, I think they would have appropriately modified their equipment and tactics. The German army of WWII was specifically designed for the European theater. This is kind of a fish out of water scenario.
Is that my a bunch of 16-17 year old Americans stomped them......
In all honesty, I think the Germans would rather bomb and explode the jungles of Vietnam into ashes like what they did in Europe.
I agree. I think that the Germans would have just burned the jungle with everything in it.
@@esmeraldagreen1992you know i think the us tried that before what makes you think the germans would succeed
@@esmeraldagreen1992 we (USA) tried that also.......didnt work
You forgot a lot like the Stg44, the G43 and new technology, the skill to adapt on situation. So I would say rethink it and take a look on both.
Already happened(being factual is debatable)…In the book Devil’s Guard by George Robert Elford a SS Lieutenant Hans Josef Wagemueller which after WWII was put in the French foreign legion along with many other Germans from different branches to fight against the Viet Minh. Hans utilized the book “The Jungle Is Neutral” by a British officer Freddie Chapman to understand how to keep his fellow Kameraden alive in the Vietnam environment.
Please make more of these videos they are so interesting to look at impossible scenarios in military history
It would be interesting to pair the German Military of WW2 to the NVA. The latter were supplied and trained by Russian advisors, with a few select units being trained by Spetsnaz GRU, who probably had training based on not only combat experience against the Nazis, but also against Western powers in the Korean War.
Simple History, I did see Deadliest Warriors on TV by seeing the Waffen-SS vs Vietcong. 🧐.
@ We don't care
I remember growing up and waiting for the newest deadliest warrior episode to come out to see with my buddies. Honestly looking back it was such a B rated show lol. I also always felt they lacked to add so much kit and training into the tests but I guess for the sake of time.
Old school Spetsnaz vs Green Berets was still funny looking back on, seeing current events and LAPD vs GSG9 was funny too.
I would love to see this be a series on this channel done in way more detail.
I was an adult even then and I knew it was flawed but still miss it.
@@matovicmmilan agreed
I remember along time ago seeing this on tv and im glad that its being brought to light again
To basically sum things up.
“Let’s replace the Americans with the SS!”
(Seriously they are both conventional armies who would get bogged down in guerrilla actions just as they did in real life. Most likely the SS will employ a more violent approach but otherwise it be basically the same expect the VC screaming: “GO HOME KRAUT.”)
And get shot for saying it
@@tomhenry897 corpses cant shoot rifles. the SS despite what is said in the video had inferior arms with only a few exceptions. bolt action rifles against kalashnikovs.... cmon.
@@Slava_Ukraini1991Against the end of the war they got better equipment,because Hitler didn't trust the wehrmacht anymore.
But they were never really good soldiers,they were a Party-militia.
The Wehrmacht hated them because they fought without any sense of strategy or tactics and had to be rescued all the time
@@lukiuki8395 they still used SMGs and bolt actions rifles as their main armaments. it was impossible to outfit all of them with modernized weapons because german production numbers could not match the number of soldiers.
the VC got fucking owned by the americans lmao.
I wouldn't call the vietcong elite soldiers considering they had over a million casualties
yeah the vietcong got absolutely obliterated after the failed tet offensive.
It was understandable by the fact US is 1st army in the world and they drop tons of bomb,chemical weapon,napalm ... on vietnam but in the end they still fail to get what they want and have 50k dead .if vn only win on polotical they still gonna losed so they still a good soldier no matter what
@@Robert-hy3vv u can win a battle but u still lose the war
Most of the casualties are civilians lol, the US just need raid a random village and then say that they are hiding VCs, boom, they will have a lot of VCs to kill. Also in many battles in the Vietnam war, every body part counted as casualties.
@@Robert-hy3vv that was just the force in south vietnam. and they were not completely defeated, the us and allies at their peak had 2 million troops, 1 million native soldiers, 700k us troops, and 300k allied troops. after the victory the viet cong defeated the genocidal polpot regime (cambodia) in just 2 weeks in the south, and defeated the invading chinese army in the north "at the same time".
Realistically, the whole thing comes down to which of the two parties would invade the other's country. During the Vietnam War, the VC had the home field advantage in their country's jungles and knew how to use it.
Nah, even with trainging and equipment aside, the SS has the natural advantage of size but the most important thing here is will power which the SS man definetly have given his fanaticism. The VC would be put down like any other partisan and treated with less mercy as the SS man had no constraints (unlike the Americans and her allies at the time) and motiavated politcally and racially
@@蔣介石8733 Well, VC and NVA did combat the whole Khmer Red and fight China, how are you supposed to say that then?
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NVA did. Viet Cong didn't.
The Viet Cong were essentially wiped out during the tet offensive 1968.
@@蔣介石8733 The Americans had a size and weight advantage, too, but did that help them against the VC's guerilla tactics? And fanaticism doesn't help much if you are fighting in an environment which is alien and hostile to you, but in which the enemy knows how to turn every nook and cranny into a death trap.
@@Daniel4646 i mean, what real downsize could being physical superior to the enemy be? And its not like the commies knew every inch and every tree of the Southern jungles, plenty were Northerns that went South so I dont think being a European worsens your position much (except the heat and tropical climate). My idea on the matter was formed entirely on the relativly small casaulties (in comparision to vietnamese ones) and America didnt really lose much except some pride since their folk after war could keep living a normal life instead of having kids pick up scrap metal and walk thru minefields etc. I just dont think they were very committed to fighting communism. The only real lost of the war were the Southern folks that lost their Republic.
Keep it up with these videos
The Viet Cong was an armed communist organization and movement in South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia.
Formally organized as the National Liberation Front of South Vietnam, it fought under the direction of North Vietnam against the South Vietnamese and United States governments during the Vietnam War.
The organization had both guerrilla and regular army units, as well as a network of cadres who organized and mobilized peasants in the territory the Viet Cong controlled.
During the war, communist fighters and some anti-war activists claimed that the Viet Cong was an insurgency indigenous to the South, while the U.S. and South Vietnamese governments portrayed the group as a tool of North Vietnam.
According to Trần Văn Trà, the Viet Cong's top commander, and the post-war Vietnamese government's official history, the Viet Cong followed orders from Hanoi and were practically part of the People's Army of Vietnam, or North Vietnamese army.
the waffen ss info in this vid is based on the 1930s. in the war, the waffen ss dropped MANY of the requirements and training
I loved Deadliest Warrior on TV. The little deathmatch the two sides would have was amazing.
"A people who have courageously opposed French domination for more than eighty years, a people who have fought side by side with the Allies against the Fascists during these last years, such a people must be free and independent." - Hô Chí Minh 🇻🇳
Then the Vietnamese communists killed one million of their own people after the Vietnam War ended. LOL.
Thank You from Việt Nam
The SS do have experience fighting guerillas. They were called on to fight the french and polish resistances, who often used similar tactics. They would struggle at first, but the SS would inevitably win because they're not bound by a code of ethics and often used scorched earth tactics. The vietcong relied on the population for supplies such as food, so if the SS started burning down towns and villages, they would starve them out and kill possible spies and informants in the process.
The armor penetration you listed for the panzerfaust and the panzerschreck are incorrect
What’s really interesting is how the Viet people reacted to antique Song China invading
They put up many revolts just like what they did to America and France
I remember when this simulation actually happened in the deadliest warriors series.
I'm glad someone is FINALLY asking the right questions on this channel!
We already know how this would play out. At the end of WWII former Waffen SS Manner joined the French Foreign Legion and were sent to Viet Nam. They proved to be extremely effective at combatting the insurgents. France elected a moronic labor Goverment who felt that it was inappropriate to use former NAZIs to combat indigenous peoples so they were withdrawn. Then followed Dien Bien Phu and the rest is history.
Waffen SS in 1944 to 1945 were also used guerilla warfare and ambush tactics very similar to Vietcong tactics but most units of SS has panzerfaust
So is that the next bit, rehashing Deadliest Warrior episodes?
I'd be down for it
It continues to fascinate me that in the Vietnam War the Americans spent the entire budget on the best technologies and weapons and still lost due to Viet Cong traps made with sticks.
Well the thing is the US wasn’t having a hard time killing the enemy they were having a hard time making sure more didn’t come back, they just kept swinging at the head of the hydra weren’t able to stab the heart. All that while the VC were able to hide in residential areas and jungles while slowly whittle down US forces and stall for time.
Because not allowed to do their job
skill issue, just like how China struggled with for like 2000 fucking years lmao
over a mil vietcong died, and like 50k american guys died. the sticks didnt do too well
@@Oldundead9491 the us wasnt the only ones fighting the vietnamese. Also a third of that 1 mil figure is civilians
Depends on where the fight taking place.
1:03 please down get the raygun..
If adequately supplied, The Lighting Lads° would have burned through the VC in two or three years.
adequately supplied with infinite men, ammunition, food, water, etc? sure.
@@Slava_Ukraini1991 I'm just talking 1940 levels as opposed to 1945.
@@SandrasSpicySpanishSalami you would need an unlimited supply of cannon fodder to hold vietnam. the french could not do it and neither could the americans. what makes you think the germans have a chance?
@@Slava_Ukraini1991americans had only 50.000 deaths and vietcong had 2million. 20 vietnamese for every kia american. "Why" would germans have a chance? Because ww2 era germans fought unhumane like genghis khan. They would do things the american and french wouldnt do.
*This Would be Alternative History.*
Now that is what I would like to hear if you are saying alternate history.😊
@@seanchow806 Oh Yeah ? :-D
Note: the Soviets also gave the VC German WWII weapons from the stockpile they got from dead or surrendered Germans. The Americans were surprised when they found them
The Americans fought the Vietcong with similar tactics to the SS, only with better equipment and training. They lost.
The MP40 WAS in the Vietnam war. Vietcong fighters had possession of some of the SMGs. as for the Kar98k, It was one of the many unscoped bolt action rifles used by the VC.
Here’s my take on this: it truly comes down to the environment itself on who is most likely the victor.
Sorry but the SS fighting the Victcong in their own homeland, well… if America struggled when they had helicopters, deforestation chemicals, numerous bombings and napalm to an enemy who really didn’t have any tanks. How could the SS fair any better who had lesser technology accessible?
Now if the Vietcong were actually foolish enough, which I highly doubt, to fight the SS in open and conventional combat. Then I don’t see them lasting long, nor would the SS take prisoners if but to torture.
Sure the SS are ideological driven, highly trained, and could be considered “elite.” But that only goes so far if you can’t even fight an enemy on your own terms and control when to fight and when not to.
Well for starts the luftwaffe was so much more accurate that the USAF in Vietnam. Get someone like Rommel to lead and I feel you will get results. Rommel was a brilliant commander but he had a heart and humanity. Just look how he treated POWs. I feel this will make the difference over raw fire power.
You fight differently when you respect your enemy. All those who fought rommel respected him because while ruthless and efficient. He was never cruel and treated enemies like humans if caught.
What are you smoking😂
Tanks in the jungle? Thats not exactly the best environment and they already showed that. Also the VC had pretty decent AA capabilities and were able to take down jets. If they could take down a jet, imagine a WWII plane flying half as fast
People need to stop meat riding Rommel. He was a good commander but only because he was placed in the right conditions at the right time. It’s funny because the Allies praised Rommel more than Hitler ever did, it was a way for them to find an excuse for them losing battles in North Africa.
Wehraboo spotted.
Romel lost.....
I remember seeing this on TV. Forgot what the show was called but I remember seeing it played out. Good video
Deadliest Warrior
@this isn't the way to get followers. especially with that username. make shorts and make your account unique and not begging. idek why I'm helping you but seriously reevaluate your life if this is what you're serious about you should do even the most tiny amount of research. or use common sense.
@@adamloveland3198 That’s the one! Thank you for reminding me!
@@danielnavarro537 Your welcome^^
@simplehistory doesnt even use a camera lol
When I saw the title I thought it was talking about how former Dutch Waffen SS were sent to Vietnam
zvallid made a nice video surrounding this alternate history scenario, and it's really cool when different videos and people sort of build a world together.
There were multiple Variants of the Panzerfaust, but i believe the 60m vairant was the most common, as portrayed by video games, sometimes you get the ocassional 30m version (Probably meant for Wolksarmee or something.)
Also, because of the fact you forgot to mention the STG-44 and G-43 wich would have the priority of being issued to the SS (Because they are the elite) technically the Vietnameese would be better because of their Assault Rifles.
Wow this sent me back to middle school when the show Deadliest Warrior did an episode on the exact same thing lol RIP SpikeTV
I am Vietnamese and know a lot about my country's history and army. Things are a little different from what the video says. The Viet Cong were not easy to defeat, they had a large scale organization, they confused the US army with modern weapons and unique tactics. They didn't rush out and fight like crazy. Even though the SS forces were well trained, they were just like American soldiers, but it was not comfortable being in the tropical jungle in Vietnam. The Viet Cong also had different tactics to counter the enemy's tactics and proved effective when fighting the Americans.
@utekaltenbachpokrant7597Alright. If you think Americans are not brutal enough, use Korean soldiers for comparison. Have you ever heard the story about Korean soldiers fighting in Vietnam? There are stories that many people do not dare to think about, in fact they are more brutal than SS soldiers.
kèo này vn ăn nếu oánh ở chiến trường quê nhà
The ss are much better and smarter and more brave than the us don’t even compare
@@ano-bh4wlmore brutal like what? Can they do the same thing like German putting people on concentration camp? USA army sucks in ground force unlike Soviet and German Soviet is stronger than Vietnam and look what German did to them
Epiiiiic raaaaap battlesss of history
One big problem.. USA dont like to shoot civilian.. sometimes it happed I know.. but nazis ? GG guys
How are you gonna forget the STG 44 for the Germans
Actually a lot of former SS soldiers fought in Vietnam, as part of the French Foreign Legion.
Don't forget the STG-44 which was the precursor to the modern Assault Rifle, yes made up term that is so broad in meaning just about anything could be called that but for the purposes of this comment I am referring to M16s and AK 47s or anything else world militaries came up with for their Armies during the Cold War.
Assault rifles are called assault rifles, because of the sturmgewehr
@@Freezefort Actually you are half right. You can translate it that way but Sturm doesn't mean assault it means Storm but given the use of words like storm, lightning, and such throughout the Wehrmacht I suppose you could make that stretch.
@@asgaiyawaya3973 Please then enlighten us where it did come from.
@@Freezefort Let me answer it this way. When was the first time you ever heard such weapons called this? I mean officially, as in even the military or police used it. I was in the US Navy and we never used this term for an M4 or any other weapon instead small arms would be used. Small arms is anything you can carry in your hand or hands. So M4s, shotguns even handguns. Sidearm would be pistols and the like that would be carried in a holster either on your belt or tactical vest. To make a long story short, assault rifle is never used. I was also a detention officer trainee with a Sheriff's office and same thing that term was never used while I was working for them. In fact, weapon was a more commonly heard word than anything else. Now can I speak for every Sheriff's office or Police? Nope, so there could be exceptions but as far as anything I have seen or heard I have only heard this term recently and always by leftists protesting the 2nd amendment or by folks who have never handled a gun in their lives and more than likely don't know anything about them.
@@asgaiyawaya3973I am currently serving in Mexico's military service I see that you Americans don't like the term assault rifle but here in Mexico the term does exist. we had our instructor call our FX-05 "Fusil de Asalto" im sure the definition changes in each country but here the term does exist in a military level just for the FX05 , He called the G3 and the FAL as "Fusil de Combate" I think it would translate to battle rifle or something like that.
I am not trying to start any conflict cause I understand that there are different perspectives from different militaries and people on that term but it is nice to know your country's perspective.
3:39 the Panzerfaust had a range for 120 meters, the sight is made for 30, 60 and 90 meters to
This is awesome! I can’t wait to see other deadliest warrior specials. Here are some suggestion, some of which are based on the Spike series:
- Celt vs Persian Immortal
- Dahomey amazon vs Oiorpata (or Scythian amazon)
- Cartel vs Yakuza
- Conquistador vs Pirate
- Janissary vs French Musketeer
Some of them were made, like the Celt vs. Persian Immortal episode. Mafia vs. Yakuza, too.
@@rtxranger7482 I know which is why stated: “some of which are based on the deadliest warrior series from Spike”. And in case you don’t know, they already did a match up between Waffen SS vs Viet Kong. More importantly what do you think of my other suggestions?
@@jackbelinski2661 I think its awesome. Need more videos like this.
I never thought you guys would ever resurrect Deadliest Warrior 😂
This reminds me of that one clip where some American was asked where WWII happened & they replied that it happened in Vietnam
Um…this exact thing was addressed in the show Deadliest Warrior
vietcong side has terrain and nature advantage because most german tank is to heavy to move in Vietnam and the panzer 3 , panzer 4 , stug 3 and 38 (t) is the only choice also most vietcong are using auto gun , semi-auto gun so the win rate is increase for the vietcong side , but the catch is german is having firepower advantage due to their mg-42 and a massive army size
Since the mp gun exist , there no chance for vietcong doing close quarter combat
I didn't watched the whole video
I'm pretty sure the Nazis would win solely because they had absolutely no qualms about murdering everyone. If the vietnamese took to guerilla warfare then the Nazis would destroy entire civilian villages, likely even threaten the lives of soldiers innocent family to get them to surrender. While there was undoubtedly some of that from the US side, I don't think we'd see it to the same extent compared to what the Nazis would do. It was already an unpopular war in the US but Hitler would have been able to spin the massacres in a way that allowed him to get away with genocide...I mean, he did it already.
Exactly the SS would win because they have no problem killing everyone in sight to achieve their goal as well as their fanatic dedication to fight.
We bombed villages for 20 years straight there were over 70,000 cases of American soldiers massacring and burning Vietnamese villages and killing civilians. Also almost every Vietnamese man woman or child fought in guerilla warfare if 1970s America couldn't do it 40s Germany can't
@@veno3064 I still think that America was limited by it's lack of approval for the war and overall morale. Citizens didn't want the war and soldiers didn't want to be there but Hitler had the uncanny ability to convince the populace that what they were doing was just and proper. Despite what the US already did, they could have still done worse and with an army driven to do whatever it took to win, the Nazis would likely systematically raze every village they came across until the opposition surrendered.
threatening the soldiers family is pretty counterproductive. what better motivation to fight than to protect/avenge your family?
I would like more of these types of hypothetical matchups