I bought used video card (RTX 3070) 2 years ago. I was forced to do it, since they were sold out everywhere else due to mining crysis. Visited seller at his job where he had computer where he showed me it worked. GPU works to this day without any issues. Just always, if you are buying used GPU please TEST (even with benchmark like furmark) it before buying it.
For sure, How in the hell can people just hand over that amount of cash and not go through the bare minimum of testing it. If I ever decided to buy a used GPU I'm telling them straight up when I get there, Im coming inside and we're gonna do some testing first. If they have a problem with that than they can go find someone else to sell it too.
@@Cwayne1989 1. if ur meeting at their house its obviously not a scam since scammers wont give you their info like their address 2. if its not at a house, how are you gonna test the card?
We used to buy older cards as they were cheap, usually around $50, and every single one we bought over 10~ years worked. However I would *never* buy an expensive used graphic card. Also the sites you use make sure they have certain policies in place to protect the buyer in case something happens, if the seller tries to pull some tricks then ignore them and move on with your life.
Ive been buying/selling used GPUs for over 2 decades. Not Once did I get a bad card. I only buy on Ebay, never had to get money back either... Trick is to Know what to look for, what to look At and when to Pass up what you think Might be a good deal. There are lots of great sellers, they arent on Marketplace. They are on more Reputable sites. When I sell on other sites I make sure the Customer sees it working before they leave my home. People need to be more Attentive when purchasing used items.
@@azntactical4884 yea, me too... in fact, I'm selling a few used item on eBay. In the description of my items it states you're welcome to test it at my place to ensure it is working.
I can repair them, I've bought many without testing because I don't care to waste my time and they gave me a good deal on it. You can go by the energy and different factors before committing and you should be good. Point is, people will rip you off sure, but plenty of people wont
Mm not really. Some people will give you a good deal and have no way to test it for you and that's why it's a good deal. There's no excuse for not looking under the hood but some people sell cheap because you can't test it
Electronics can last more than 2 years, but they require maintenance, which not many people know how to do, when to do, or what to do. I clean and change the paste on my own laptops personally. Did everything go well when I was messing around with them? NO, I scratched the plastic, broke some screws sockets, lost some screws, forget to put some screws, hit the boards a few times, etc. etc. etc. It takes time to learn.
A big source of these scam 4090's are coming from is remanufacturing outfits in China that strip the AD102 dies and GDDR6x off the retail PCB's and slap them onto generic PCB's designed for blower coolers and high-density server installations. This is because sale of H100 and other datacenter GPU's are severely restricted in China, but gray market imports of AD102 RTX4090 boards is a lot more straightforward. Given the AD102 has 512 4th gen tensor cores, very competitive FP32 performance (relative to the datacenter products), it's a pretty good alternative even if it's lacking in FP64 perf, large VRAM or NVLink features. Once stripped, there's a bunch of coolers and PCB's with no RAM or GPU die packages, and so they're ending up on eBay, sometimes with hastily glued on fake memory and a GPU package, sometimes just bare.
I have a 15 year old pc. I put new graphics and ram in it a year ago to upgrade it. still works, never had a problem. I agree that older components have a longer lifespan.
I have an old AMD FX desktop that still works 100%, Even works prefect on Windows 11 (using hardware compatibility work-around). Why change something that works prefect?
I’ve bought my 3070 off eBay. I did my research and the seller was reputable. As a regular eBay user, eBay favors the buyer. I feel bad for the seller sometimes because the buyer can scam them. Take the part they need and get a refund or give back the item incomplete. Anyways I knew the risk and got my 3070. It clearly showed that it was used for crypto. There was rust on nonessential parts. I took it apart and cleaned most of it and put new paste. It works so much better than before. Even after all that work, I still saved myself a ton. As far as the car, the car commonly has a salvage title, which is why you see very low price. At that point it’s a “as is” vehicle. You don’t know who did the repair and how much repair they actually did. Dealerships aren’t much different. They buy used cars and only do the minimal amount of work to sell it. Once it’s off their lot, it’s yours forever.
Did the buyer even read the description. I have had people buy parts and repair stuff and want a refund because it didn't work. did they read, NO they did not!!!!
Fb marketplace has a weird structure. First off, the annoying auto message of “hello, is this available?”. If it wasn’t available, I would be put it to pending or sold! Maybe they should have an option for seller to popup “did you read the description?” Or something…lol
Nothing new under the sun. Years ago someone bought a car stereo to us, they had bought it from a market "cheap" and found it didn't work. We took the top off - the seller had removed most of the internals but made the effort to solder a couple of wires to power the front panel illumination so it looked ok! Damn scammers.
I recently had someone bring a Steam Deck to me that he purchased off fb marketplace, It would freeze after 3 minutes of being on. I asked if he tried to RMA it with steam first as it sounded like a GPU failure. Steam wouldn't take it as it was apparently a dev kit model. There's plenty of people out there who will purposely scam as many people as they can by buying junk electronics and sell them as working. This video is a perfect example of that.
Insurance is the same way, too. You have to read a bazillion pages to truly understand your policy before you sign it. If you went with a insurance company and you experience a problem. "I'm sorry, you don't have this option/rider in your policy that supports that particular type of damage". "I'm sorry, you live in Florida or California and your grass is too long or you didn't water your lawn and thus, a fire risk, so we won't be renewing your policy". "I'm sorry, we won't honor that claim of giving you $X per month for long-term care because the policy requires you to have (a 24-hour nurse or must be in this kind of facility or ...) for us to honor that claim" or something like that.
i bought a used 3080 from eBay last year. Worked fine. I upgraded to a 4070 ti in January and sold the 3080 for $450 on FB Marketplace. The difference though is eBay will 99% of the time back the buyer over the seller so I knew if i got scammed, even though the seller didn't accept returns, that eBay would refund me if the card was bad.
sent in a 3080 3 weeks ago to msi, got back a 4080. Had card two years and just started going black..Msi has the best warranty in my opinion. No questions asked, simple swap. Canada btw.
Wow, incredible timing! I was just reading about this exact scam yesterday. I buy broken cards on eBay to fix and have noticed tons of listings for high-end money maker GPUs with no core/memory, just like that, and was wondering why that was and figured it had to be related to a scam of some kind. I was right and I'm glad you made a video of it. Shame on the people selling these on ebay as well, I think. I suppose you could use one for a legit purpose (donor board), but I have a feeling most of their market is NOT legit and they don't care. Law of the jungle indeed.
Amen! Such warranties are as worthless as a 4-dollar-bill. Never buy a component that you cannot test or see working before you pay for it (when buying from on-line marketplaces).
It's also terrible with second-hand printers. "It would work great...100% OK" but if you insist on a test print on location, it won't work and the seller have to explain. "But yesterday it was still going"... who would believe it.
Know what you're buying. Request a benchmark. Ebay is a buyers market. I got a bad card that was sold as working. In its picture, the same component was missing that I soldered on to fix the card. The seller refunded me and I kept the card. I sold a 2080 Ti recently for a friend. It needed new fans, I was extremely transparent in the listing. Saying it got new fans, and showing it running a benchmark with the serial number in the video. Thats the ideal listing. Guy bought it, told him to let me know if theres any issues and didn't hear a peep from them.
7:31 that’s just overprotective Honestly I have 2017 Mac book still working Only problem is fans are loud cause it needs a change of thermal paste and clean up of fans Also battery is hella degraded but that’s to be expected The “0” key kind of gone a bit in from the first week of purchase but still kicking strong it’s just a slight in so it doesn’t hurt function
Sellers have to be careful also, Take pics of card working, take pics of the board showing the id numbers etc, Some buyers will buy electronics and try and return their bad electronics and keep the one that you sold them and that is good.
To add to your rules about buying used cards - Not only do I stay to eBay (and pay with PayPal against a credit card) I also explicitly do not buy GPU models I know are used for mining, AI, etc where they've been under full load 100% of the time. Instead I stay with cards mediocre enough certain classes of GPU abusers would have no interest... More likely the card really was used by an actual person who simply wanted to upgrade. There could still be issues of course - Merely trying to limit them as much as is possible. If the board does arrive bad I want as many ways as is possible to challenge the charge and get my money back.
I sold my working 3060 to someone on Facebook no issues because the card worked for me ok. With that money I purchased a 4060 brand new open box from someone on offerup not gonna lie I was scared but the card was new in box the tape wasn't even torn. Card works great so far I took a chance but it turned out ok the seller even sent me the order reciept for warranty purposes.
Anything you buy used , you are taking a huge risk . Doesn’t matter what it is . The best thing you can do is make sure you have a good working knowledge, and that they can show you it fully functions . If they can’t , don’t buy it .
Its not just grapicscards! I bought a UTi260A in europe, and when claiming a warranty case, they just said "We dont sell this Model in europe, so we cant give you warranty".
A lot of times I see people selling PCs with decent components but total crap PSUs, 0-tier, 1-year warranty class, that cannot be beneficial to the life of the components
the fault its not from the seller you see lots of this cards seling like this, the problem its the lazy buyer that buys a card for half the price and won bother read the description. so it serves him well. i Bet that the description said that
I was genuinely considering buying a video card off of facebook marketplace until this video dropped in my sub box... simply mad. No words. I usually avoid Amazon simply because I don't like using Amazon because of working condition and (blah, blah, blah) but because of scammers like that, I don't even want to bother putting my hope and trust only to be scammed out or a card that will waste my time. some people even test it, or watch the seller test the card and still get scammed apparently. Frustrating, man.
I can guarantee you the working conditions of any Amazon worker here in the US is better than the Asian employees' working conditions who made the card new at a factory in China or Taiwan.
Heck I bought a used, supposedly "good condition" video card on Amazon from a 3rd party seller once and it wouldn't post, plus the card was bent. I don't know if it was bent during shipping or not and was why it didn't post. What I did was repaired the bent part so I wouldn't get the blame for it and returned it back to Amazon for a full refund. Only took a few minutes to bend it back in shape. That was the only and last time I'll ever buy used video cards. Yeah I got my refund but only because Amazon had my back. If I purchased it from anywhere else it would have been my loss. I have however purchased a used motherboard from marketplace once too and the seller told me it wouldn't post but it was so cheap I couldn't pass it up. Turned out all was wrong with it was one bent CPU socket pin and one missing jumper. Had that board for over a couple years until it finally started acting up again so I retired it... by then I had another build.
Used hardware is great. It reduces e-waste and you can get higher tier hardware for cheap. Just make sure you test before buying (or at least do a bit of research and chat with the seller, usually you can tell apart a scammer from an enthusiasts selling after an upgrade).
If you're dropping the kind of money for a 4090 (even if it's used) that kind of money requires ID and a verifiable phone number from the seller. If the seller doesn't want to show ID to prove an address or provide approval phone number walk away from the deal.
Yeah I always tell everyone to never buy anything on fb unless you can locally pick it up and see it working… I’d never buy a thing that’s shipping only on fb cause there’s so many scammers
No one should go to anyone house. You don't know if the buyers a thief. Go to a local computer store. Ask them to test a gpu. It takes a few minutes and $10 would do the job. You have microcenter as well or bring a system with you to test.
🙂 video cards seems to be the most fragile pc part, its not always the sellers fault, it could be on its last legs, when buying used videos cards try to avoid buying the real expensive ones, you have to hedge your bets and gamble, the risk is safer when its a lower cost budget card, but yeah keep that in mind if your dealing with used video cards thats its kinda normal for them to go out at any moment, every time you turn on a pc your wearing something out.
Aliexpress buyer protection is the best joke. I'm in Europe. If the delivery company cannot deliver the package to me, they won't send back it to the seller, they send back to Netherland. And noone gives back the money. What a stole.
Ebay and Paypal give you some protection. Checking out the ratings help some. But there's always some risk when buying used. Also if it's really cheap, stay away.
I have bought used Computer hardware in the past but it was at a store. The risk is to high to buy online, there is to many bad people out there. Every bit of my PC was bought new.
Damn... that was cruel👀😓 i still buy 2nd hand gpu's in marketplace, two cards i have still works 3 years and going ❤ now i need to add "remove cooler to check chips" in my memo to avoid getting scammed 😅
i must admit I’ve never bought a gpu. however almost all my it lit is secondhand, however i always choose ex commercial kit that is of an age where its clearly the result of cooperate upgrades rather than warranty repairs etc. from a local vender, on ebay or now taobao as i am in hk. i have very rarely had a problem. i must admit i was thinking of getting a gpu for number crunching rather than gaming, thanks for your food for thought.
i buy used cards for clients or build computers ...When i get a card itest it at the buyer with 3dmark,i run it for an hour, theni install cyberpunk and run that at full setting for another hour, and check the temps,This is the way i buy cards and it never failed.I do not buy mining cards at all though
It's a bad time to build an PC, chips can't be much better anymore and therefore the way is a higher and higher voltage. Pretty sure that PCB has a similar quality as in the past, but high-end GPUS are 3+ slot monsters. Easy to damage. And expensive ones. People seek used stuff more and this will happen.
This is a very bad scam he shouldn't have tried if he had no good knowledge about graphics cards sometimes people only see the deal but not what is behind, but it might be a good lesson anyway to learn from for the future!
bought a 3090 ti, verified seller. never arrived. refunded after research Bought a 4090, marketplace. supposedly arrived. was listed delivered @ my adress, never had it. Research proved that was sent to another adress, but status was "rightly delivered". pain in the a..... Then......being a masochist i guess, bought a 4090, almost new, @ the right price. truely, a jungle.
Do not EVER buy a graphics card that is "Fulfilled By Amazon" or shipped from Amazon Warehouse. You can get scammed with this as well. If you are going to buy a GPU from Amazon, only do so if it is "Shipped and Sold by Amazon." They are not the same thing. One is for returned items, and the other is for Brand New Unopened items.
I Sell vintage electronics on Ebay. I list every fault I know about and photograph every blemish I can find. Sometimes it's a basket case that isn't working and looks like it's been dragged down the road. 100% feedback. Being honest and packing a piece of shit like it's new for postage goes a long way.
I bought a Samsung SSD from a store in Iceland. This drive had a two-year warranty from the store, but Samsung says it has a five-year warranty. A few months ago the drive died, but it was just over two years old. The store told me that I have to contact Samsung to get the drive repaired (replaced). However, I have been trying to contact Samsung for almost two months now, but there are no email addresses. There are phone numbers, but I can't use the phone due to language difficulties. So if anyone can tell me how to contact Samsung in writing, I would be very grateful. Thank you.
i purchased a brand new asus rog strix 4090 from amazon (sold & dispatched by amazon), opened it to find entire pcb is missing, someone had removed it and just returned the heatsink + fans
That's a rabbit hole I fell into long ago before I upgraded my computer a few years ago. There is *always* something new coming out or on the horizon. Unless you just have to have the latest components and upgrade/buy a new computer once a year or more often. At the end of the day it's a budget thing too, I'd imagine the current gen cards dropping in price as the newer generation comes out? I'd never buy anything recent in regards to computer parts as "used" unless they're several generations old and cheap(under $100).
Dell is bad for warranty it starts at purchase not possession. When screen cracked after 3 days of possession it was beyond their 30 day workmanship warranty. they said it was accidental . I opened lid to use laptop and screen cracked due to flex in lid and improper amount of padding also tight hinges. I fixe issue with duct tape and screen from aliexpress for 121 usd dell wanted 500 usd .
Rips into crooks who sell dodgy cards then gives tips on committing return fraud on eBay and Amazon. 😂 Love the videos, but Jesus this return fraud scam doesn’t only hurt Amazon and eBay, it hurts small time sellers trying to make an honest living. I had a return fraud scam done on me for over 2.5k, it was a very difficult process to get our hard earned cash out of eBay.
Used cards are ok if you use common sense when buying the card. Get the sellers phone number and if they seem shady then don't buy it from them. The used market is where you can get some good deals if it's too good to be true then don't trust it.
except that's how alot of scammers work especially on FB Marketplace. When i list expensive items i get messages from "people" saying they are interested and asking for my number so they can text me. These are 100% scammers because why would you ask for a persons number to text them when you are currently texting them through FB Messenger? I tell them straight up, NO I won't give you my number, there is no reason for you to need my phone number. Or sometimes I'll give them the phone number for a local police precinct, lol.
It's hardly news - been going on since the US banned the Chinese having decent GPU's. Just strip the core and memory, whack the heatsink on and sell it cheap. Then some dickhead buys it, realises what he's bought and just bumps it on. If it's too good to be true...
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I bought used video card (RTX 3070) 2 years ago. I was forced to do it, since they were sold out everywhere else due to mining crysis. Visited seller at his job where he had computer where he showed me it worked. GPU works to this day without any issues. Just always, if you are buying used GPU please TEST (even with benchmark like furmark) it before buying it.
For sure, How in the hell can people just hand over that amount of cash and not go through the bare minimum of testing it.
If I ever decided to buy a used GPU I'm telling them straight up when I get there, Im coming inside and we're gonna do some testing first. If they have a problem with that than they can go find someone else to sell it too.
@@Cwayne1989 1. if ur meeting at their house its obviously not a scam since scammers wont give you their info like their address
2. if its not at a house, how are you gonna test the card?
We used to buy older cards as they were cheap, usually around $50, and every single one we bought over 10~ years worked. However I would *never* buy an expensive used graphic card. Also the sites you use make sure they have certain policies in place to protect the buyer in case something happens, if the seller tries to pull some tricks then ignore them and move on with your life.
@@bmxscape pc and generator :)
You have to test it in a demanding game or using a software that does a stress test. Many cards fail only after getting hot.
Ive been buying/selling used GPUs for over 2 decades. Not Once did I get a bad card. I only buy on Ebay, never had to get money back either... Trick is to Know what to look for, what to look At and when to Pass up what you think Might be a good deal. There are lots of great sellers, they arent on Marketplace. They are on more Reputable sites. When I sell on other sites I make sure the Customer sees it working before they leave my home. People need to be more Attentive when purchasing used items.
@fetus2280 Even on Ebay there is scammers.
If you purchase used, go to the sellers house and test it there. If they refuse, you refuse.
I was tempted on buying a big ass battery and bring a test bench for used pc stuff.
@@azntactical4884 yea, me too... in fact, I'm selling a few used item on eBay. In the description of my items it states you're welcome to test it at my place to ensure it is working.
Probably only feasible with Craig's list...
Plot twist : the seller agreed and he's a serial killer
I can repair them, I've bought many without testing because I don't care to waste my time and they gave me a good deal on it. You can go by the energy and different factors before committing and you should be good. Point is, people will rip you off sure, but plenty of people wont
Omg. I seen it all now. 😮 It's like buying a car, and not looking under the hood.
Mm not really. Some people will give you a good deal and have no way to test it for you and that's why it's a good deal. There's no excuse for not looking under the hood but some people sell cheap because you can't test it
Electronics can last more than 2 years, but they require maintenance, which not many people know how to do, when to do, or what to do. I clean and change the paste on my own laptops personally. Did everything go well when I was messing around with them? NO, I scratched the plastic, broke some screws sockets, lost some screws, forget to put some screws, hit the boards a few times, etc. etc. etc. It takes time to learn.
A big source of these scam 4090's are coming from is remanufacturing outfits in China that strip the AD102 dies and GDDR6x off the retail PCB's and slap them onto generic PCB's designed for blower coolers and high-density server installations. This is because sale of H100 and other datacenter GPU's are severely restricted in China, but gray market imports of AD102 RTX4090 boards is a lot more straightforward. Given the AD102 has 512 4th gen tensor cores, very competitive FP32 performance (relative to the datacenter products), it's a pretty good alternative even if it's lacking in FP64 perf, large VRAM or NVLink features. Once stripped, there's a bunch of coolers and PCB's with no RAM or GPU die packages, and so they're ending up on eBay, sometimes with hastily glued on fake memory and a GPU package, sometimes just bare.
It started back in 3090. However there are way too much recently, as much as exporting to all over the world.
Yeah mined Rx 580 and Rx 570 are also seller like this as brandnew
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I have a 15 year old pc. I put new graphics and ram in it a year ago to upgrade it. still works, never had a problem. I agree that older components have a longer lifespan.
I have an old AMD FX desktop that still works 100%, Even works prefect on Windows 11 (using hardware compatibility work-around). Why change something that works prefect?
I’ve bought my 3070 off eBay. I did my research and the seller was reputable. As a regular eBay user, eBay favors the buyer. I feel bad for the seller sometimes because the buyer can scam them. Take the part they need and get a refund or give back the item incomplete.
Anyways I knew the risk and got my 3070. It clearly showed that it was used for crypto. There was rust on nonessential parts. I took it apart and cleaned most of it and put new paste. It works so much better than before. Even after all that work, I still saved myself a ton.
As far as the car, the car commonly has a salvage title, which is why you see very low price. At that point it’s a “as is” vehicle. You don’t know who did the repair and how much repair they actually did. Dealerships aren’t much different. They buy used cars and only do the minimal amount of work to sell it. Once it’s off their lot, it’s yours forever.
Did the buyer even read the description.
I have had people buy parts and repair stuff and want a refund because it didn't work.
did they read, NO they did not!!!!
Fb marketplace has a weird structure. First off, the annoying auto message of “hello, is this available?”. If it wasn’t available, I would be put it to pending or sold! Maybe they should have an option for seller to popup “did you read the description?” Or something…lol
@@Dot12 You don't realize how much people "forget" to clear a listing after a product is sold. Either that or they just plain don"t care to do it.
@@lamikal2515Eventually it will time out and they have to renew the post if they want it active.
I bought my 4080 used a couple of months after it came out. Still working fine. Just be sure to SEE THE CARD working before you buy it.
Ive bought multiple graphics cards used. They have all been fine. Just be careful who you are buying from.
Ethics and honesty died long ago.
Smart advice Alex. Have a good week.
Nothing new under the sun. Years ago someone bought a car stereo to us, they had bought it from a market "cheap" and found it didn't work. We took the top off - the seller had removed most of the internals but made the effort to solder a couple of wires to power the front panel illumination so it looked ok! Damn scammers.
EVGA had the best warranties. They are missed!!
People will always be people and if anyone forgets people lie this is the lesson that should remind them
Tech repair and listening to life advices is the perfect combo!
I recently had someone bring a Steam Deck to me that he purchased off fb marketplace, It would freeze after 3 minutes of being on. I asked if he tried to RMA it with steam first as it sounded like a GPU failure. Steam wouldn't take it as it was apparently a dev kit model. There's plenty of people out there who will purposely scam as many people as they can by buying junk electronics and sell them as working. This video is a perfect example of that.
Yeah unfortunately there are lots of scammers out there. There are always risks when buying used stuff what ever it is.
Stuff like this is what happens when a video card like the 4090 goes for $2000... if video cards were cheaper, the profit would be far less.
No, there are 4090s for under 1000 bucks with this issue.
Normally legid cards go for 1600 to 2000 bucks.
Perfect. You are a great guy. Best regards from Brazil.
Your videos are amaze.
Insurance is the same way, too. You have to read a bazillion pages to truly understand your policy before you sign it. If you went with a insurance company and you experience a problem. "I'm sorry, you don't have this option/rider in your policy that supports that particular type of damage". "I'm sorry, you live in Florida or California and your grass is too long or you didn't water your lawn and thus, a fire risk, so we won't be renewing your policy". "I'm sorry, we won't honor that claim of giving you $X per month for long-term care because the policy requires you to have (a 24-hour nurse or must be in this kind of facility or ...) for us to honor that claim" or something like that.
3080 since launch in '20 still going strong. Changed the thermal paste and pads and keeping it clean.
i bought a used 3080 from eBay last year. Worked fine. I upgraded to a 4070 ti in January and sold the 3080 for $450 on FB Marketplace. The difference though is eBay will 99% of the time back the buyer over the seller so I knew if i got scammed, even though the seller didn't accept returns, that eBay would refund me if the card was bad.
sent in a 3080 3 weeks ago to msi, got back a 4080. Had card two years and just started going black..Msi has the best warranty in my opinion. No questions asked, simple swap. Canada btw.
Wow, incredible timing! I was just reading about this exact scam yesterday. I buy broken cards on eBay to fix and have noticed tons of listings for high-end money maker GPUs with no core/memory, just like that, and was wondering why that was and figured it had to be related to a scam of some kind. I was right and I'm glad you made a video of it. Shame on the people selling these on ebay as well, I think. I suppose you could use one for a legit purpose (donor board), but I have a feeling most of their market is NOT legit and they don't care. Law of the jungle indeed.
A ton thanks for this advice! I was almost get scammed. This saved me loosing money.
I love buying all my stuff new because I know how I take care of it
Amen! Such warranties are as worthless as a 4-dollar-bill. Never buy a component that you cannot test or see working before you pay for it (when buying from on-line marketplaces).
I only buy broken gpus. thanks to you and others, every one of them still work perfectly to this day. better than factory! 😛
Always - TOP ! Best Regards from Bulgaria , East Europe .
It's also terrible with second-hand printers. "It would work great...100% OK" but if you insist on a test print on location, it won't work and the seller have to explain. "But yesterday it was still going"... who would believe it.
Know what you're buying. Request a benchmark. Ebay is a buyers market. I got a bad card that was sold as working. In its picture, the same component was missing that I soldered on to fix the card. The seller refunded me and I kept the card. I sold a 2080 Ti recently for a friend. It needed new fans, I was extremely transparent in the listing. Saying it got new fans, and showing it running a benchmark with the serial number in the video. Thats the ideal listing. Guy bought it, told him to let me know if theres any issues and didn't hear a peep from them.
Best FREE advice you will receive today. Thanks Alex
7:31 that’s just overprotective
Honestly I have 2017 Mac book still working
Only problem is fans are loud cause it needs a change of thermal paste and clean up of fans
Also battery is hella degraded but that’s to be expected
The “0” key kind of gone a bit in from the first week of purchase but still kicking strong it’s just a slight in so it doesn’t hurt function
Sellers have to be careful also, Take pics of card working, take pics of the board showing the id numbers etc, Some buyers will buy electronics and try and return their bad electronics and keep the one that you sold them and that is good.
To add to your rules about buying used cards - Not only do I stay to eBay (and pay with PayPal against a credit card) I also explicitly do not buy GPU models I know are used for mining, AI, etc where they've been under full load 100% of the time. Instead I stay with cards mediocre enough certain classes of GPU abusers would have no interest... More likely the card really was used by an actual person who simply wanted to upgrade. There could still be issues of course - Merely trying to limit them as much as is possible. If the board does arrive bad I want as many ways as is possible to challenge the charge and get my money back.
no one got scammed, he paid for a lesson on scamming. Knowledge comes at a price.
I miss EVGA, they had the best warranty support. The one issue I had in a past with an EVGA card, they replaced it with a new one, no problems.
No they haven't.
I sold my working 3060 to someone on Facebook no issues because the card worked for me ok. With that money I purchased a 4060 brand new open box from someone on offerup not gonna lie I was scared but the card was new in box the tape wasn't even torn. Card works great so far I took a chance but it turned out ok the seller even sent me the order reciept for warranty purposes.
Anything you buy used , you are taking a huge risk . Doesn’t matter what it is . The best thing you can do is make sure you have a good working knowledge, and that they can show you it fully functions . If they can’t , don’t buy it .
Its not just grapicscards! I bought a UTi260A in europe, and when claiming a warranty case, they just said "We dont sell this Model in europe, so we cant give you warranty".
I must be lucky. I have a 100% success rate with used GPU's. Just make sure you buy from known sellers and not from any newly created accounts.
You’re a normal person who buys used stuff using his mind, I don’t understand people expecting honesty from %0 feedback sellers.
USB-C lasts longer then Type-B
i think you mean micro usb, USB B is a tank, you will rip it off the board b4 you damage the port itself
The guy who sold the broken video card is no different from the big companies who don't honor their warranties.
A lot of times I see people selling PCs with decent components but total crap PSUs, 0-tier, 1-year warranty class, that cannot be beneficial to the life of the components
the fault its not from the seller you see lots of this cards seling like this, the problem its the lazy buyer that buys a card for half the price and won bother read the description. so it serves him well. i Bet that the description said that
I was genuinely considering buying a video card off of facebook marketplace until this video dropped in my sub box... simply mad. No words. I usually avoid Amazon simply because I don't like using Amazon because of working condition and (blah, blah, blah) but because of scammers like that, I don't even want to bother putting my hope and trust only to be scammed out or a card that will waste my time.
some people even test it, or watch the seller test the card and still get scammed apparently. Frustrating, man.
I can guarantee you the working conditions of any Amazon worker here in the US is better than the Asian employees' working conditions who made the card new at a factory in China or Taiwan.
Never bought a used GPU in 30 years. Never will.
Always buy graphics card from online retailer where you get 2 to 3 years warranty. Ebay is 30 days warranty.
I have a test bench that I bring to a café to test any potential purchase.
Heck I bought a used, supposedly "good condition" video card on Amazon from a 3rd party seller once and it wouldn't post, plus the card was bent. I don't know if it was bent during shipping or not and was why it didn't post. What I did was repaired the bent part so I wouldn't get the blame for it and returned it back to Amazon for a full refund. Only took a few minutes to bend it back in shape. That was the only and last time I'll ever buy used video cards. Yeah I got my refund but only because Amazon had my back. If I purchased it from anywhere else it would have been my loss. I have however purchased a used motherboard from marketplace once too and the seller told me it wouldn't post but it was so cheap I couldn't pass it up. Turned out all was wrong with it was one bent CPU socket pin and one missing jumper. Had that board for over a couple years until it finally started acting up again so I retired it... by then I had another build.
Used hardware is great. It reduces e-waste and you can get higher tier hardware for cheap. Just make sure you test before buying (or at least do a bit of research and chat with the seller, usually you can tell apart a scammer from an enthusiasts selling after an upgrade).
If you're dropping the kind of money for a 4090 (even if it's used) that kind of money requires ID and a verifiable phone number from the seller.
If the seller doesn't want to show ID to prove an address or provide approval phone number walk away from the deal.
Yeah I always tell everyone to never buy anything on fb unless you can locally pick it up and see it working… I’d never buy a thing that’s shipping only on fb cause there’s so many scammers
No one should go to anyone house. You don't know if the buyers a thief.
Go to a local computer store. Ask them to test a gpu. It takes a few minutes and $10 would do the job. You have microcenter as well or bring a system with you to test.
🙂 video cards seems to be the most fragile pc part, its not always the sellers fault, it could be on its last legs, when buying used videos cards try to avoid buying the real expensive ones, you have to hedge your bets and gamble, the risk is safer when its a lower cost budget card, but yeah keep that in mind if your dealing with used video cards thats its kinda normal for them to go out at any moment, every time you turn on a pc your wearing something out.
Aliexpress buyer protection is the best joke. I'm in Europe. If the delivery company cannot deliver the package to me, they won't send back it to the seller, they send back to Netherland.
And noone gives back the money. What a stole.
Ebay and Paypal give you some protection. Checking out the ratings help some. But there's always some risk when buying used. Also if it's really cheap, stay away.
I have bought used Computer hardware in the past but it was at a store. The risk is to high to buy online, there is to many bad people out there. Every bit of my PC was bought new.
Damn... that was cruel👀😓 i still buy 2nd hand gpu's in marketplace, two cards i have still works 3 years and going ❤ now i need to add "remove cooler to check chips" in my memo to avoid getting scammed 😅
Alex well said, best advice on the video card
Yea, buying used is high risk high reward. Totally worth it tho if you know what to look for.
. . . Buy from a known honest dealer . . .
Facebook marketplace are full of scammers. I never buy anything without inspecting the item first.
Glad you mentioned use the rule of the jungle coz no one is shameless there 🤣
i must admit I’ve never bought a gpu. however almost all my it lit is secondhand, however i always choose ex commercial kit that is of an age where its clearly the result of cooperate upgrades rather than warranty repairs etc. from a local vender, on ebay or now taobao as i am in hk. i have very rarely had a problem.
i must admit i was thinking of getting a gpu for number crunching rather than gaming, thanks for your food for thought.
i buy used cards for clients or build computers ...When i get a card itest it at the buyer with 3dmark,i run it for an hour, theni install cyberpunk and run that at full setting for another hour, and check the temps,This is the way i buy cards and it never failed.I do not buy mining cards at all though
Looks like a lot of stripped components from the back of the card too, including one crooked component.
facebook marketplace ... that one place i will never ever go for used thing, esp electronics
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Probably the customer did not read the description very well. The seller might be selling it as a swap board.
JAWA is another great place to buy used computer parts.
It's a bad time to build an PC, chips can't be much better anymore and therefore the way is a higher and higher voltage. Pretty sure that PCB has a similar quality as in the past, but high-end GPUS are 3+ slot monsters. Easy to damage. And expensive ones. People seek used stuff more and this will happen.
good advise but will they listen and learn ,,,,,,,, thanks for posting
Treat used GPUs like used cars. Inspect and test before you leave the lot.
Yeah, i saw this in Poland too. Idk how people can buy 4090 for 1/4 of the price.
Oh boy another one. These scams are becoming more common
lol to cover all possible scenarios, including user error, thats not really extended warranty anymore, thats home insurance XD
The customer doesn't test the card, 90 days pass, leaves a bad review on Amazon then lists the card on Market Place and scams the next person.....
This is a very bad scam he shouldn't have tried if he had no good knowledge about graphics cards sometimes people only see the deal but not what is behind, but it might be a good lesson anyway to learn from for the future!
My friend did the same thing and got a card just like this. Guy got his money back because he paid via paypal
bought a 3090 ti, verified seller. never arrived. refunded after research
Bought a 4090, marketplace. supposedly arrived. was listed delivered @ my adress, never had it. Research proved that was sent to another adress, but status was "rightly delivered". pain in the a.....
Then......being a masochist i guess, bought a 4090, almost new, @ the right price.
truely, a jungle.
Do not EVER buy a graphics card that is "Fulfilled By Amazon" or shipped from Amazon Warehouse. You can get scammed with this as well.
If you are going to buy a GPU from Amazon, only do so if it is "Shipped and Sold by Amazon."
They are not the same thing. One is for returned items, and the other is for Brand New Unopened items.
I Sell vintage electronics on Ebay. I list every fault I know about and photograph every blemish I can find. Sometimes it's a basket case that isn't working and looks like it's been dragged down the road. 100% feedback. Being honest and packing a piece of shit like it's new for postage goes a long way.
At least pay with PayPal. Don't just give someone 2 grand in cash for anything like this.
I bought a Samsung SSD from a store in Iceland. This drive had a two-year warranty from the store, but Samsung says it has a five-year warranty. A few months ago the drive died, but it was just over two years old. The store told me that I have to contact Samsung to get the drive repaired (replaced). However, I have been trying to contact Samsung for almost two months now, but there are no email addresses. There are phone numbers, but I can't use the phone due to language difficulties. So if anyone can tell me how to contact Samsung in writing, I would be very grateful. Thank you.
i purchased a brand new asus rog strix 4090 from amazon (sold & dispatched by amazon), opened it to find entire pcb is missing, someone had removed it and just returned the heatsink + fans
I mean buying 4090 at this point of time is weird. 5090 is around the corner
That's a rabbit hole I fell into long ago before I upgraded my computer a few years ago. There is *always* something new coming out or on the horizon. Unless you just have to have the latest components and upgrade/buy a new computer once a year or more often. At the end of the day it's a budget thing too, I'd imagine the current gen cards dropping in price as the newer generation comes out? I'd never buy anything recent in regards to computer parts as "used" unless they're several generations old and cheap(under $100).
1,6x more money. sure.
@@devilzuser0050 I mean if you want to spend 1500$ for 4090 you might as well go for 2k for the new one 😂😂
aside Amazon & Ebay. Are there any other sites that are good to buy and sell on?
eBay is good to buy but I wouldn’t sell on it. Any claims is in favor of the buyer.
There's Wisdom here guy's!
who would buy a 4090 without testing it first hand?
Dell is bad for warranty it starts at purchase not possession. When screen cracked after 3 days of possession it was beyond their 30 day workmanship warranty. they said it was accidental . I opened lid to use laptop and screen cracked due to flex in lid and improper amount of padding also tight hinges. I fixe issue with duct tape and screen from aliexpress for 121 usd dell wanted 500 usd .
Rips into crooks who sell dodgy cards then gives tips on committing return fraud on eBay and Amazon. 😂 Love the videos, but Jesus this return fraud scam doesn’t only hurt Amazon and eBay, it hurts small time sellers trying to make an honest living.
I had a return fraud scam done on me for over 2.5k, it was a very difficult process to get our hard earned cash out of eBay.
Used cards are ok if you use common sense when buying the card. Get the sellers phone number and if they seem shady then don't buy it from them. The used market is where you can get some good deals if it's too good to be true then don't trust it.
except that's how alot of scammers work especially on FB Marketplace. When i list expensive items i get messages from "people" saying they are interested and asking for my number so they can text me. These are 100% scammers because why would you ask for a persons number to text them when you are currently texting them through FB Messenger? I tell them straight up, NO I won't give you my number, there is no reason for you to need my phone number. Or sometimes I'll give them the phone number for a local police precinct, lol.
If a deal seems to good to be true... it probably is...
hopefully this drives the prices down.
"dont buy warranty from asus" yeah asus aftersale sucks for real 😂
It's hardly news - been going on since the US banned the Chinese having decent GPU's. Just strip the core and memory, whack the heatsink on and sell it cheap. Then some dickhead buys it, realises what he's bought and just bumps it on. If it's too good to be true...
1:11 I already see a black square at the right that´s not straight, like it fell. The card was manipulated.
. . . Doing 4090 performance a few years ago would have required quad card sli . . .