You’d love the M3 Comp. And it will smoke the Dodge six pack. Sad to see what stellantis is doing. v8 could be coming in 2025 as they are freaking out over emissions being cut way back
Nothing against BMW M3, but I am a closet Italian car fan, I love some Alfa-Romeos, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Lancia, and even some Fiats. I personally think that the Alfa-Romeo Quadrifoglio with the twin turbo Ferrari derived V6 looks gorgeous to my eyes. However the new BMW style especially that new grill design looks horrendously ugly to me. Like I said I have nothing against BMW I just don't like the way they're styling their cars I think that they all look extremely ugly. I have owned 2 BMW'S while stationed in Hanau Germany, and those were the best looking BMW ever made a 1986 633csi and a 1988 635csi with the M package both with manual transmission. I really wish that BMW would return to the shark nose styling of the seventies and eighties, but for now no thanks. I want them to go full retro 1970's and 1980's design language they where truly the Ultimate Driving Machines. No computer gimmicks!
I'm old, retired on limited income, don't drive much anymore, and I'm happy to keep driving my low-mileage 2019 Challenger Scat Pack. If I were younger and working, I'd consider all the cars you have listed, except the Alfa Romeo. No desire for that. For me, the problem with the Charger gas car, will be pricing and reliability. Stellantis has fired so many people and let their QC plummet so much, that it would take a long time for me to trust them to again make a quality product. As for the options you listed, my own personal taste would lean toward the Cadillacs.
@ That’s my wife’s car mine is a 1972 Charger Rally with a 440 (512) cu in six pack 600 hp Top banana with a black vinyl top and interior. I’m just about done rebuilding it
Brad, sounds like the Cadillac black wing is the way to go!! I have seen a lot of videos on that car.. Those Black Wings are amazing. The actual TECHNICIAN that builds the engine has their name on a plack in the engi e compartment. Now that is showing the pride of that vehicle!!
Even if Dodge came out with a really good car the real problem is their dealer network. The culture is fleece the customer then screw them six (no pun intended) ways from Sunday.
No mention of the last N/A V8 sedan remaining for sale in USA - Lexus IS500 Performance? 472hp for $65k isn't a bad deal in this market. And it makes real V8 sounds and likely to last for 350k miles.
@@jdev232 Spot on. They are WAY MORE luxury than performance. The 2UR engine is a masterpiece, but the suspension is definitely soft. However, with the gimmick of a big engine in a small package, it should still qualify as a "muscle car."
As a current BMW G82 M4C owner(M3 Comp is the same platform and engine)I can attest it is a brilliant car. I'm a long time BMW M owner and have had the E92 M3, F82 M4 Comp and now the G82 M4 Comp which is an improvement across the board at every level. The M3/M4 are listed at a little over 500hp for the twin turbo I6 but I can tell you from experience BMW has way under listed HP numbers...it is an absolute rocket ship and I'vce had zero issues with it as well. Go test drive the M3 and you will be impressed.
The thing is, the Charger doesnt compete with the M3 or any 3 Series, its a 5 & 8 Series competitor. People underestimating the SIZE o this car... its as Large as a S Class sedan. in coupe or Sedan configuration.
They should have kept the SRT division on hand with minimum research and testing. Now there scrambling to make something work that’s gonna turn into a nightmare for warranty and headaches for customers!
The Stinger GT2 AWD is one of the best vehicles I’ve ever owned. Handled the crazy Denver weather and wild mountain turns incredibly. Totally underrated.
The only way for manufacturer to be able to keep price low a the dealership is to overflow them with massive number of this model at cheap entry price max 30k.
I have owned for a while now a Petty's Garage 2010 SRT8 challenger in PCP and a 2020 Redeye Widebody black Challenger, like the one u had, which is why I bought mine. My daily is a Chrysler 300C, but last year when I got the itch and started searching, there was nadda out there that I wanted. Cadilacs are very maintenance prohibitive ( remember Vega parts in a Caddy box?) and I don't buy european, even though I was born there. So what did I do? I went Classic for the first time to add to my collection. For the price of a new loaded Caddy, I got a fully restored, by the numbers, Classic Mopar muscle car, that will not depriciate and I am not beholden to computers on this car. Bonus is that it still goes up in value as I daily it in the summertime. A win win for me.
Leased a 2018 Scatpack and when the lease was over, they wanted to charge me more than double for a new widebody Scat. Tried multiple dealers, and all were playing the same game. Ended up buying my Charger as it had almost $9k of equity, sold it to CarMax, and moved on to a BMW M550, and more recently to an M4. Couldn't be happier. Dodge isn't getting me back with a 6 banger, and I agree 1,000% that they will overprice the V8's when they comeback in 2025 or 2026.
A friend of mine just bought a BMW X5M Competition for 143grand. Pricey but simply wicked. If you could swing it I would recommend a CT5 Blackwing with a 6spd manual l. Such a great car.
Yup I just picked up a 22 m3 comp, 6k miles nearly fully loaded and wow is it life changing compared to the scat pack I owned I feel as if I jumped 20 years into the future , I can’t ever see myself going back to a dodge . Love it you jumped into the euro car scene I know you would make the craziest builds !
If you could tho , wouldn't you still want a challenger in the garage? I mean honestly, they're cheap muscle car fun. When compared to other car prices and well used. If I had the space, I'd definitely make room for one again
@ Sure i’d love a 6MT wide body hellcat , but I cannot see myself ever going back into a american car unless I get it for a steal . The Bmw not only had superior performance but at its equipped with all the technology to make day to day driving not only very comfortable but very safe and not to mention the interior imagine paying 90-100k for a car and you get the exact same interior as the base 30k model? rip off I hope it changes but if it doesn’t fine by me I’m going to stick to the euros !
Ditto previous comments on the Corvette. I have a '90 ZR1 and it is amazing. It punches way above its weight. I've driven the C8 and its a big technological leap ahead of the '90, and its great. Also, im an engineer. I cannot support Stellantis after laying off all the American engineers.
I used to sell Alphas back in the late 80s, early 90s and they had some very cool car (for what that's worth). Roughly translated, "Quadrifoglio" means "Four leaf clover" and has been a standard for a while, just like the *Spider roadster* that people remember and, the larger *"164"* (replaced the Milano, used the Quadrifoglio name to replace the "S" trim level in '94/5) and was a *very* sleek sedan with a DOHC, 210hp V6 w/4spd auto/5spd manual, active suspension (all a big deal at the time) and a "pass through" from the trunk with a lined "boot" passing up the center between the passengers that let you put your skis *inside* the car without getting everything wet while you and your friends hit the slopes. I actually liked it a lot. If you look, you can still find good condition examples out there, today and the Pininforina styling has held up (think Saab 9000 but better), especially with everything today looking like a "Japanese egg" in shape. 😊
Of the cars you listed, I'd pick the GR Supra. The M3 is amazing, I've owned one, but I'm not willing to pay 20-30k more for it over the Supra. The Blackwing in a manual would be a close second. All that said, I'll stick with my 2019 Scat.
I’m still keeping my Challenger 392. However, if I was in the market for a car, it’s either the Mustang or the Cadillac Blackwing. They both sound fun as hell. Looking forward to your next video. Great work. :)
The mustang Ecoboost is my first car. It's only a four cylinder but it's extremely fun and practical. It grew on me. I still want to trade it in for a v8. I'll see if it's a mustang or not. Oh, and it does great on gas. Nearly 30 miles to the gallon which is too high.
Brad the car looks fantastic im in Michigan and I saw one this past weekend looks beautiful nice wide tires as well but it's still is a 6 cylinder 😢😢😢😢. I have a 2023 chrysler 392 and a 2023 challenger hellcat that I would not change for NOTHING. 😊😊
If you want an Inline 6 get the brand that has been making them for 40 years, the best daily driving engine on the road today the BMW B58. Anything with a 40i. If you want a crazy toy get a BMW S58.
My son just bought an Alpine White BMW M3 CS Competition. He is having a full build done on the engine. With X-drive, these things are insane. The same goes for the BMW M240i X-drive.
2024-25 Ford F150 single cab 4x4 5.0 with a Whipple Supercharger. Is the hot thing right now, and almost impossible to beat on the street. 600+ hp with no spinning.
the germans have been making twin turbo inline 6 engines for years now, i trust bmw more than stellantis rn which is sad considering all the plastic gaskets the bmw engines have
I would buy a used Aston Martin vantage v8, unless the six pack is under $50k which I doubt :(, a honorable mention I have is a base corvette C8 absolutely a bang for your buck
I vote for the M3 comp. Even if you only had it for a year it would make great content. I recently drove one and the stock exhaust sound and pull put a smile on my face.
bought my 2023 SS Camaro convertible a little over a year ago. 455 /455 hp/tq and 6 speed MT. Pretty happy with it- has Magna Ride / Recaro Interior. There are some nice cars out there - but these newer cars are very pricey and very heavy.
The s58 engine in the bmw is the most reliable and easiest to tune car they have ever made while also having luxury insane tech interior. It's a no brainer to buy it ASAP
I'd think most of the people would like you to get the new Charger, but I think the CT-4 or the GT Mustang will be the next best bet. I love the Beamer but you'll never hear the end of it about the bucktooth front grill. Great video OCM ! 👍
Had a 2013 R/T manual and loved it. Always wished to get a 392 and still hope for a hellcat and sometime or another. Now have a family and picked up a used 540i for under 30k, comp to what I had bought my RT for new. The b58 with a few mods is light years faster and a better quality car than the RT. BMW makes some seriously impressive engines. Never a bad choice especially while waiting for stellantis to hopefully right the ship
I am retired and over the years I have had many Jeep Wranglers until Stellantis wrecked that brand. Getting older I have always dreamed of having the muscle car body style, and it's been a very long time since i really needed a 4 wheel drive any more. I test drove the Camaro, Challenger, and Mustang. I am a old fat guy so the Camaro did not fit me very well at all. The Mustang was better, but the Challenger just seemed perfect for me. Yes it's still Stellantis but everything in the car with Uconnect and so forth felt familiar to me. So I decided to give the 2023 Challenger a try and so far I love the car. Puts a smile on my face every time I get in the car. Plan on having this for a while, could be the last car i buy, who knows. I did almost buy the Mustang because that is a strong model that's been around for a very long time. Just didn't care for the body style as much as the challenger. So If I were to get any model you have mentioned It would be the Mustang. It's a proven vehicle. But for now I am sticking with my Challenger.
I don’t like body style much unless it’s the pre-production 👀’n Banshee with one..i think I’m gonna try & get a prior or wait for the rumored classic designed Ford Boss 492💯
I currently have a 23 Last Call Charger Widebody Scatpack. I love it, and I plan to keep it. But I’m done with Stelantis. I’m pretty sure my next vehicle is going to be a Cadillac CT5 Blackwing (if I can get one without getting gouged). I will also take a long look at the Genesis G80 Magma if it ever comes to fruition.
There are rumors Ford is working on a 4 door AWD Mustang with the Coyote engine in it, maybe Stellantis wants to beat them to the party. If this is the case, maybe the rumors are true.
@comicrandomness3289 I don't see why they wouldn't offer it in a manual since the normal Mustang can be manual. Are you gonna get one? My guess is its gonna be around 50-ish grand, 50 - 60 grand.
Because all of us are forced to buy from Markup Motors stealerships, stellantis will F____ it up in that regard. Car dealers are all out of control. Oh, and lose the plastic inline 6 engine, it is a disaster waiting to happen. Hemi, please.
I bought a 6 cylinder charger with all the best options. I bought it in 2022 new. A v6 even with a turbo charger isnt worth more than the $44,500 I paid for mine. I only spent that much because I had inheritance money that was being held onto by my parents for my retirement and that was the only way i could access it without waiting 25 more years.
Stellantis needs to watch this video, I hope someone on the board of directors thinks like you sir. We all want the v8 and the right price for that new Charger.
And the other different such as the 3.9 l V8 Ferrari architecture motor 4.7 l Magnum twin turbo looking at about 3 years as opposed to the 5/7 which means they can get it out in 18 months
BMW has hit a home run with the S58 engine in their M cars. Have you considered a fully loaded BMW 340i xdrive? It's the same engine you get in the Supra which is the B58 engine.
OC Motivator, I’ve been watching since like 2020 please keep up the heat against them so they can see what the fan base wants! Dodge turned me over to ford and I wanted to add a hellcat to my fleet but due to them killing them off and them being stolen so easily it really turned me away.
I don't care for the looks of the new Dodge Charger. I currently have a 2019 Mustang Bullitt and a Kia Stinger GT1. Both are awesome cars. I thought of picking up a Supra or maybe a Nissan Z and tuning it.
I’m going to keep my last-call challenger just for fun driving… My daily driver is a 4 series BMW. Perfect for daily. But I am ordering a 2025 M2. NOT getting the charger.
I'm on the same boat as you, Brad. I was triggered when I saw that there were no more Hemis and this inline-6. I hate the sound of that engine. I don't know if the Charger Six Pack will change my mind on the new Charger. I didn't like it when it was unveiled, but maybe if they get the inline-6 to sound better, maybe, just MAYBE, I'll change my mind on the Charger Six Pack.
My wife has owned 5 challengers in the last 12 years. It's time for new one. She's going Ford this time. She refuses to drive a 6 cylinder "muscle car" regardless of the hp numbers. Smooth move, exlax.
They better find a way to Unload all that massive inventory thats lot rotting And a few V 8s won’t save them now Build some quality cars that people can afford for once Sure the Hot Rod V8 is nice but it won’t save them now
I've gotten to the age that I'm eyeing a late model Camaro SS and just keep it going. I don't like the new cars. I like Challengers, Chargers and Mustangs as well, but have a 2018 Silverado with a 6.2 so, it would make a set. lol
Yes good choice, have a 2023 SS Convertible 6 speed, the spec was not easy to acquire, so far a great car, has magna ride and recaro interior. My other cars are a 2017 M240i BMW 6 MT and a 2004 GTO 6MT.
It's so funny Brad doesn't mention a Corvette. 😂 A Mustang, Brad you aren't getting that. Why am M3 and not the M2? 76 k totally loaded. The Charger is going to be a heavy boat, no thanks. I'll keep my C7 Corvette M7.
Atp, as a 30-yr old guy, I just want economy to settle and go back to bornal so I can payoff my debts and fet me a good house. Already have a good 300 v6 for daily and a Ram with a Hemi for weekend. Im good with my platform.
The Hornets Chassis is old it actually dates back to when GM was involved with Fiat so it is paid for multiple times over so it should be cost effective enough to get the pricing down into the Mid $ 20-30's easily. Now for the Charger TT6 I think it will be a great car people just are not used to change, especially after the spoiling we had with the L cars but even 420hp or the 550hp versions will be great start, Now if they can get the Hemi in them which if the I6TT fits so will the Hemi if you look the TT6 is actually wider in packaging than that of the Hemi so it would be getting them certified to sell in States where they Allow ICE vehicles because we know California is about to ban them completely so this might be your last chance for those states that follow CARB standards. California is 35% of all passenger cars sales are supposed to be Zero Emissions by 2026
I traded my Kia Stinger GT for a CT4-V Blackwing. I sold the Caddy 3 weeks later to Carvana because it's so much smaller and rides much stiffer than the Stinger. You should look at the Audi RS3 as a comparable to the CT4-V BW. That said, I absolutely LOVE my Wrangler 392 lol. 4.5 second 0-60 on factory 35" tires, 6.4L Hemi, 1 touch sliding convertible top, and an abnoxious valved exhaust when needed. 😂
There are only 2 cars that i would be willing to sell my hellcat to get. One would be a 2017 Viper gts. The other would be the 2025 corvette ZR1. Unless it's one of those, I've been exceptionally happy with my hellcat 4 years old, no issues. Then again, i barely have 10k miles on the car. Bmw has never been for me. I've driven the m3 comp. It's not bad, just not the car I'm interested in.
Always liked the new Guilia Quadrofolio. I have a 1988 Alfa Romeo Milano Verde 5MT. The turn off for me on the new Alfa is no MT available. Alfa's were always a driver involvement car, tons of engineering, great dynamics and driving experience. Very unreliable though.
Hey Brad TK says that they're going to make a V8 and there were some claims about some different V8 but they said that they can get the 57 out in 18 months
Dodge fans are just mad that the mustang is the last muscle car in production. You probably heard them say "the mustang is not a muscle car." Sure, whatever you say dodge fans.
Tbh if they ain’t making no more challengers and chargers with hemis with 2w drive no point being interesting they killed off they only car that people loved smh
I’ll drive my 17’ rt until the tires fall off! The reason I went Dodge is bc of their raw v8 engines, they also had the perfect set up for me to keep upgrading rt scat hellcat, I was set, just what I wanted, didn’t have to look no further for anything else. it’s not really so much about the power for me but the unexplainable feeling and experience I get behind the wheel. You can put a turbo and all the tech you want in a v6 but it will never sound or feel like a v8 hemi. I feel like a kid that got his candy taken away😅 I’m beyond sad and pissed we won’t see a hemi ever again. I mean what’s the point of selling these v6’s that aren’t any better than the v6’s already out there. Dodge should just keep their dignity and shut down if they can’t make v8’s.
You’d love the M3 Comp. And it will smoke the Dodge six pack.
Sad to see what stellantis is doing. v8 could be coming in 2025 as they are freaking out over emissions being cut way back
Spend $70k on a bmw m2. Nearly the same hp and a lot more fun. Gave up my 20 scat wb for one.
It will even smoke the EV in a straight line if u get XDrive
They are going to do this so rushed it will dethrone the legendary 2.7
Nothing against BMW M3, but I am a closet Italian car fan, I love some Alfa-Romeos,
Ferrari, Lamborghini, Lancia, and even some Fiats. I personally think that the Alfa-Romeo Quadrifoglio with the twin turbo Ferrari derived V6 looks gorgeous to my eyes. However the new BMW style especially that new grill design looks horrendously ugly to me. Like I said I have nothing against BMW I just don't like the way they're styling their cars I think that they all look extremely ugly. I have owned 2 BMW'S while stationed in Hanau Germany, and those were the best looking BMW ever made a 1986 633csi and a 1988 635csi with the M package both with manual transmission. I really wish that BMW would return to the shark nose styling of the seventies and eighties, but for now no thanks. I want them to go full retro 1970's and 1980's design language they where truly the Ultimate Driving Machines. No computer gimmicks!
At this point in my life, I just want a Corvette 😂.
I'm old, retired on limited income, don't drive much anymore, and I'm happy to keep driving my low-mileage 2019 Challenger Scat Pack. If I were younger and working, I'd consider all the cars you have listed, except the Alfa Romeo. No desire for that. For me, the problem with the Charger gas car, will be pricing and reliability. Stellantis has fired so many people and let their QC plummet so much, that it would take a long time for me to trust them to again make a quality product. As for the options you listed, my own personal taste would lean toward the Cadillacs.
Old? If you got a Scat Pack something tells me ya not that old lol
@@therealsyxxlol? Look at the guys picture tf you talking about
You forgot to mention the soaring cost of insurance too making our car choices far more difficult.
I would look very hard at a Ford Mustang, GT or dark horse
@@therealsyxx a car isn't an age man
I can be 50 and still own a corvette.
In 2016 I bought a fully loaded challenger scat pack for $43,000.00 we still have it and it looks like new it’s a daily driver
pretty much where I'm at on the above comment.
Dodge lost the plot. Classic, Cheap, fun, v8 🤷🏿♂️
$38k back then on a scat charger. wish i had kept it
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That’s my wife’s car mine is a 1972 Charger Rally with a 440 (512) cu in six pack 600 hp
Top banana with a black vinyl top and interior. I’m just about done rebuilding it
I have a buddy that won a 2016 challenger scatpack, from Shotshow that year. Sits in his garage with 4400ish miles on it. 6spd.
Brad, sounds like the Cadillac black wing is the way to go!! I have seen a lot of videos on that car.. Those Black Wings are amazing. The actual TECHNICIAN that builds the engine has their name on a plack in the engi e compartment. Now that is showing the pride of that vehicle!!
No Dodge Charger should cost over $50K except the Hellcat
Even if Dodge came out with a really good car the real problem is their dealer network. The culture is fleece the customer then screw them six (no pun intended) ways from Sunday.
Agree 100%. They were playing all kinds of games with the Chargers post COVID. Gonna be hard to get me back to the brand.
No mention of the last N/A V8 sedan remaining for sale in USA - Lexus IS500 Performance?
472hp for $65k isn't a bad deal in this market.
And it makes real V8 sounds and likely to last for 350k miles.
@OttoTetrazzini good call, apparently just handles like a gt. Not quite sport and not quite muscle
@@jdev232 Spot on. They are WAY MORE luxury than performance. The 2UR engine is a masterpiece, but the suspension is definitely soft. However, with the gimmick of a big engine in a small package, it should still qualify as a "muscle car."
As a current BMW G82 M4C owner(M3 Comp is the same platform and engine)I can attest it is a brilliant car. I'm a long time BMW M owner and have had the E92 M3, F82 M4 Comp and now the G82 M4 Comp which is an improvement across the board at every level. The M3/M4 are listed at a little over 500hp for the twin turbo I6 but I can tell you from experience BMW has way under listed HP numbers...it is an absolute rocket ship and I'vce had zero issues with it as well. Go test drive the M3 and you will be impressed.
The thing is, the Charger doesnt compete with the M3 or any 3 Series, its a 5 & 8 Series competitor. People underestimating the SIZE o this car... its as Large as a S Class sedan. in coupe or Sedan configuration.
A V8 Ford Mustang goes for around 45,000 MSRP. Who the F@CK is going to pay more money for a six cylinder????
Man you’re lucky. Where I live even the base GT’s are close to $50k
You never heard of Porsche they sell plenty of 4 and six cylinder cars over that price but those offer more performance though
People who want Cargo room and Passenger Capacity duh...
@@pomosstream3202 Ferrari sells a 6 cylinder too. Unfortunately for Dodge nobody is trading their BMW, Porsche or Ferrari for a six pack.
They should have kept the SRT division on hand with minimum research and testing. Now there scrambling to make something work that’s gonna turn into a nightmare for warranty and headaches for customers!
The Stinger GT2 AWD is one of the best vehicles I’ve ever owned. Handled the crazy Denver weather and wild mountain turns incredibly. Totally underrated.
Just keep enjoying your Challenger for a while longer.
The only way for manufacturer to be able to keep price low a the dealership is to overflow them with massive number of this model at cheap entry price max 30k.
I have owned for a while now a Petty's Garage 2010 SRT8 challenger in PCP and a 2020 Redeye Widebody black Challenger, like the one u had, which is why I bought mine. My daily is a Chrysler 300C, but last year when I got the itch and started searching, there was nadda out there that I wanted. Cadilacs are very maintenance prohibitive ( remember Vega parts in a Caddy box?) and I don't buy european, even though I was born there. So what did I do? I went Classic for the first time to add to my collection. For the price of a new loaded Caddy, I got a fully restored, by the numbers, Classic Mopar muscle car, that will not depriciate and I am not beholden to computers on this car. Bonus is that it still goes up in value as I daily it in the summertime. A win win for me.
Leased a 2018 Scatpack and when the lease was over, they wanted to charge me more than double for a new widebody Scat. Tried multiple dealers, and all were playing the same game. Ended up buying my Charger as it had almost $9k of equity, sold it to CarMax, and moved on to a BMW M550, and more recently to an M4. Couldn't be happier. Dodge isn't getting me back with a 6 banger, and I agree 1,000% that they will overprice the V8's when they comeback in 2025 or 2026.
A friend of mine just bought a BMW X5M Competition for 143grand. Pricey but simply wicked. If you could swing it I would recommend a CT5 Blackwing with a 6spd manual l. Such a great car.
Yup I just picked up a 22 m3 comp, 6k miles nearly fully loaded and wow is it life changing compared to the scat pack I owned I feel as if I jumped 20 years into the future , I can’t ever see myself going back to a dodge . Love it you jumped into the euro car scene I know you would make the craziest builds !
If you could tho , wouldn't you still want a challenger in the garage? I mean honestly, they're cheap muscle car fun. When compared to other car prices and well used. If I had the space, I'd definitely make room for one again
@ Sure i’d love a 6MT wide body hellcat , but I cannot see myself ever going back into a american car unless I get it for a steal . The Bmw not only had superior performance but at its equipped with all the technology to make day to day driving not only very comfortable but very safe and not to mention the interior imagine paying 90-100k for a car and you get the exact same interior as the base 30k model? rip off I hope it changes but if it doesn’t fine by me I’m going to stick to the euros !
Ditto previous comments on the Corvette. I have a '90 ZR1 and it is amazing. It punches way above its weight. I've driven the C8 and its a big technological leap ahead of the '90, and its great.
Also, im an engineer. I cannot support Stellantis after laying off all the American engineers.
I used to sell Alphas back in the late 80s, early 90s and they had some very cool car (for what that's worth).
Roughly translated, "Quadrifoglio" means "Four leaf clover" and has been a standard for a while, just like the *Spider roadster* that people remember and, the larger *"164"* (replaced the Milano, used the Quadrifoglio name to replace the "S" trim level in '94/5) and was a *very* sleek sedan with a DOHC, 210hp V6 w/4spd auto/5spd manual, active suspension (all a big deal at the time) and a "pass through" from the trunk with a lined "boot" passing up the center between the passengers that let you put your skis *inside* the car without getting everything wet while you and your friends hit the slopes. I actually liked it a lot.
If you look, you can still find good condition examples out there, today and the Pininforina styling has held up (think Saab 9000 but better), especially with everything today looking like a "Japanese egg" in shape. 😊
Mustang or Cadillac would be my two choices
Of the cars you listed, I'd pick the GR Supra. The M3 is amazing, I've owned one, but I'm not willing to pay 20-30k more for it over the Supra. The Blackwing in a manual would be a close second. All that said, I'll stick with my 2019 Scat.
I’m just saving up for a Mopar with a gas engine in it. It doesn’t have to be brand new for me.
"A CDJR product rushed to market, I want some of that!" - Nobody, ever.
Right, people are asking for problems if they jump to buy that crap lol. Stellantis is already known for quality control issues.
The hurricane engine is already known as problematic. DOA.
I made the jump to a M2 6MT. Left mopar and haven’t looked back. Amazing vehicles and value.
I’m still keeping my Challenger 392. However, if I was in the market for a car, it’s either the Mustang or the Cadillac Blackwing. They both sound fun as hell.
Looking forward to your next video. Great work. :)
The mustang Ecoboost is my first car. It's only a four cylinder but it's extremely fun and practical. It grew on me. I still want to trade it in for a v8. I'll see if it's a mustang or not. Oh, and it does great on gas. Nearly 30 miles to the gallon which is too high.
I read somewhere recently that the Cadillac Dark Wing still comes with the manual transmission. That probably puts it at the top of my list.
The BMW M3 sounds like a great vehicle. I will definitely take a look at that.
Brad the car looks fantastic im in Michigan and I saw one this past weekend looks beautiful nice wide tires as well but it's still is a 6 cylinder 😢😢😢😢. I have a 2023 chrysler 392 and a 2023 challenger hellcat that I would not change for NOTHING. 😊😊
another issue is that it's restricted to all wheel drive.
its a 6 cylinder with 550 horsepower though
@@chewee4ever811it could easily be programmed for RWD mode
If you want an Inline 6 get the brand that has been making them for 40 years, the best daily driving engine on the road today the BMW B58. Anything with a 40i. If you want a crazy toy get a BMW S58.
My son just bought an Alpine White BMW M3 CS Competition. He is having a full build done on the engine. With X-drive, these things are insane. The same goes for the BMW M240i X-drive.
2024-25 Ford F150 single cab 4x4 5.0 with a Whipple Supercharger. Is the hot thing right now, and almost impossible to beat on the street. 600+ hp with no spinning.
I got a 2022 R/T earlier this year w/blacktop package and warm weather package with 6400 miles for $36k. I’m perfect happy with it.
Think I’ll just keep my Hemi powered Ram and Challenger.
the germans have been making twin turbo inline 6 engines for years now, i trust bmw more than stellantis rn which is sad considering all the plastic gaskets the bmw engines have
I would buy a used Aston Martin vantage v8, unless the six pack is under $50k which I doubt :(, a honorable mention I have is a base corvette C8 absolutely a bang for your buck
I vote for the M3 comp. Even if you only had it for a year it would make great content. I recently drove one and the stock exhaust sound and pull put a smile on my face.
Can’t go wrong with an M3… personally I like the G80 body style.
Too little too late.
How?..
bought my 2023 SS Camaro convertible a little over a year ago. 455 /455 hp/tq and 6 speed MT. Pretty happy with it- has Magna Ride / Recaro Interior. There are some nice cars out there - but these newer cars are very pricey and very heavy.
The s58 engine in the bmw is the most reliable and easiest to tune car they have ever made while also having luxury insane tech interior. It's a no brainer to buy it ASAP
I refuse to accnowledge a v6 in a car as anything more than a cheap base model.
My buddy works for a Dodge dealership, and told me that there's already been 3 recalls on the hurricane engine.
I'd think most of the people would like you to get the new Charger, but I think the CT-4 or the GT Mustang will be the next best bet.
I love the Beamer but you'll never hear the end of it about the bucktooth front grill. Great video OCM ! 👍
Had a 2013 R/T manual and loved it. Always wished to get a 392 and still hope for a hellcat and sometime or another. Now have a family and picked up a used 540i for under 30k, comp to what I had bought my RT for new. The b58 with a few mods is light years faster and a better quality car than the RT. BMW makes some seriously impressive engines. Never a bad choice especially while waiting for stellantis to hopefully right the ship
I truly hope they fix /update the security features on these cars
I traded in my paid off scat and upgraded to a supercharged Range Rover! I love it! The supercharged v8 moves that beast in pure comfort.
I think if anybody gets it, they’re probably gonna do an engine swap
There’s nothing wrong with a 300hp sedan or coupe.
But I traded in my ‘18 Charger and went with another brand.
I have a 2010 Charger with a 3.5 250 hp V6 now, and it’s fine. I’m not in that big of a hurry to buy groceries.
I am retired and over the years I have had many Jeep Wranglers until Stellantis wrecked that brand. Getting older I have always dreamed of having the muscle car body style, and it's been a very long time since i really needed a 4 wheel drive any more. I test drove the Camaro, Challenger, and Mustang. I am a old fat guy so the Camaro did not fit me very well at all. The Mustang was better, but the Challenger just seemed perfect for me. Yes it's still Stellantis but everything in the car with Uconnect and so forth felt familiar to me. So I decided to give the 2023 Challenger a try and so far I love the car. Puts a smile on my face every time I get in the car. Plan on having this for a while, could be the last car i buy, who knows. I did almost buy the Mustang because that is a strong model that's been around for a very long time. Just didn't care for the body style as much as the challenger.
So If I were to get any model you have mentioned It would be the Mustang. It's a proven vehicle. But for now I am sticking with my Challenger.
Corvette, used Camaro , supra , bmw m2&3 , or Mustang are great picks.
The Cadillac blackwing comes with a supercharged v8 engine with the option for a manual transmission.
@ really didn’t know they had manual nice
I don’t like body style much unless it’s the pre-production 👀’n Banshee with one..i think I’m gonna try & get a prior or wait for the rumored classic designed Ford Boss 492💯
Got a loaded 2023 ScatPack wide body in April of this year for $45,900. Never selling it
I currently have a 23 Last Call Charger Widebody Scatpack. I love it, and I plan to keep it. But I’m done with Stelantis. I’m pretty sure my next vehicle is going to be a Cadillac CT5 Blackwing (if I can get one without getting gouged). I will also take a long look at the Genesis G80 Magma if it ever comes to fruition.
Keep you 6 cylinder, I’ll stick with 800hp Hellcat and Redeye!
There are rumors Ford is working on a 4 door AWD Mustang with the Coyote engine in it, maybe Stellantis wants to beat them to the party. If this is the case, maybe the rumors are true.
If the 4 door comes with a manual that'd be awesome!
@comicrandomness3289 I don't see why they wouldn't offer it in a manual since the normal Mustang can be manual. Are you gonna get one? My guess is its gonna be around 50-ish grand, 50 - 60 grand.
Already traded my charger for the new Nissan Z. So far Ive put just less than $4k into it and its faster than a hellcat, but for much cheaper
Because all of us are forced to buy from Markup Motors stealerships, stellantis will F____ it up in that regard.
Car dealers are all out of control.
Oh, and lose the plastic inline 6 engine, it is a disaster waiting to happen. Hemi, please.
I bought a 6 cylinder charger with all the best options. I bought it in 2022 new. A v6 even with a turbo charger isnt worth more than the $44,500 I paid for mine. I only spent that much because I had inheritance money that was being held onto by my parents for my retirement and that was the only way i could access it without waiting 25 more years.
Stellantis needs to watch this video, I hope someone on the board of directors thinks like you sir. We all want the v8 and the right price for that new Charger.
And the other different such as the 3.9 l V8 Ferrari architecture motor 4.7 l Magnum twin turbo looking at about 3 years as opposed to the 5/7 which means they can get it out in 18 months
Dark horse or corvette stingray, that's it, stay American.
that new corvette has nothing to do with us cars anymore
BMW has hit a home run with the S58 engine in their M cars. Have you considered a fully loaded BMW 340i xdrive? It's the same engine you get in the Supra which is the B58 engine.
Stinger owner here ✋🏾keeping my car
Awd and a twin turbo i-6?
Sounds like a American skyline.
Beautiful.
OC Motivator, I’ve been watching since like 2020 please keep up the heat against them so they can see what the fan base wants! Dodge turned me over to ford and I wanted to add a hellcat to my fleet but due to them killing them off and them being stolen so easily it really turned me away.
I’m looking at a Durango Hellcat….however, I’m also looking at the X7 M and the new M5 Wagon. Almost the same price
I went back to ford after having my scat pack stolen recently. I bought a brand new Mustang GT for in the low 40k range
Dodge abandoned their loyal customers so yes everyone should move on. And whoever thought up the idea to go electric needs to be fired immediately.
No regular supra (none special edition) top out around 60k the base model sounds high is because they discontinued the 4 cyl model.
I don't care for the looks of the new Dodge Charger. I currently have a 2019 Mustang Bullitt and a Kia Stinger GT1. Both are awesome cars. I thought of picking up a Supra or maybe a Nissan Z and tuning it.
Dark Horse all day if they don't bring back the hemi 😮
Who is Tavares going to for engineering work? His Brazilain, Moroccan or the Bombay engineers?
I’m going to keep my last-call challenger just for fun driving… My daily driver is a 4 series BMW. Perfect for daily. But I am ordering a 2025 M2. NOT getting the charger.
THAT'S how you do it. 👍🏼
I was looking to trade my Daytona 392 in on a m3 comp xdrive. Just not ready to do it yet.
Blackwing. Always the blackwing. (Current ats-v coupe owner)
I love the sixpack, but if its too overpriced, a GR Supra seems like a great alternative
Both cars look great
Great video sir!
I'm on the same boat as you, Brad. I was triggered when I saw that there were no more Hemis and this inline-6. I hate the sound of that engine. I don't know if the Charger Six Pack will change my mind on the new Charger. I didn't like it when it was unveiled, but maybe if they get the inline-6 to sound better, maybe, just MAYBE, I'll change my mind on the Charger Six Pack.
My wife has owned 5 challengers in the last 12 years. It's time for new one. She's going Ford this time.
She refuses to drive a 6 cylinder "muscle car" regardless of the hp numbers.
Smooth move, exlax.
They better find a way to Unload all that massive inventory thats lot rotting And a few V 8s won’t save them now Build some quality cars that people can afford for once Sure the Hot Rod V8 is nice but it won’t save them now
You're a TH-cam channel you have to buy it 😂
Renting is what he should do. He won't lose money like that.
I pass on anything created by dodge. Im good.
I've gotten to the age that I'm eyeing a late model Camaro SS and just keep it going. I don't like the new cars. I like Challengers, Chargers and Mustangs as well, but have a 2018 Silverado with a 6.2 so, it would make a set. lol
Yes good choice, have a 2023 SS Convertible 6 speed, the spec was not easy to acquire, so far a great car, has magna ride and recaro interior. My other cars are a 2017 M240i BMW 6 MT and a 2004 GTO 6MT.
It's so funny Brad doesn't mention a Corvette. 😂
A Mustang, Brad you aren't getting that. Why am M3 and not the M2? 76 k totally loaded.
The Charger is going to be a heavy boat, no thanks.
I'll keep my C7 Corvette M7.
Atp, as a 30-yr old guy, I just want economy to settle and go back to bornal so I can payoff my debts and fet me a good house. Already have a good 300 v6 for daily and a Ram with a Hemi for weekend. Im good with my platform.
The Hornets Chassis is old it actually dates back to when GM was involved with Fiat so it is paid for multiple times over so it should be cost effective enough to get the pricing down into the Mid $ 20-30's easily. Now for the Charger TT6 I think it will be a great car people just are not used to change, especially after the spoiling we had with the L cars but even 420hp or the 550hp versions will be great start, Now if they can get the Hemi in them which if the I6TT fits so will the Hemi if you look the TT6 is actually wider in packaging than that of the Hemi so it would be getting them certified to sell in States where they Allow ICE vehicles because we know California is about to ban them completely so this might be your last chance for those states that follow CARB standards. California is 35% of all passenger cars sales are supposed to be Zero Emissions by 2026
I traded my Kia Stinger GT for a CT4-V Blackwing. I sold the Caddy 3 weeks later to Carvana because it's so much smaller and rides much stiffer than the Stinger. You should look at the Audi RS3 as a comparable to the CT4-V BW. That said, I absolutely LOVE my Wrangler 392 lol. 4.5 second 0-60 on factory 35" tires, 6.4L Hemi, 1 touch sliding convertible top, and an abnoxious valved exhaust when needed. 😂
💚💚💚 this guy pulled up on me last night. At the gas station him and this girl in the same one, same color in m3 That thing is a Beast in real life.💚💚💚
This is exactly what I was saying BMW over dodges 6 cylinder and you can get it in x drive !
Yes the BMW B58 and S58 are proving to be powerful/smooth/reliable straight sixes
There are only 2 cars that i would be willing to sell my hellcat to get. One would be a 2017 Viper gts. The other would be the 2025 corvette ZR1. Unless it's one of those, I've been exceptionally happy with my hellcat 4 years old, no issues. Then again, i barely have 10k miles on the car. Bmw has never been for me. I've driven the m3 comp. It's not bad, just not the car I'm interested in.
Always liked the new Guilia Quadrofolio. I have a 1988 Alfa Romeo Milano Verde 5MT. The turn off for me on the new Alfa is no MT available. Alfa's were always a driver involvement car, tons of engineering, great dynamics and driving experience. Very unreliable though.
Hey Brad TK says that they're going to make a V8 and there were some claims about some different V8 but they said that they can get the 57 out in 18 months
Hey Einstein!!! Didnt mention the Mustang, buy the M3 and pay up the butt for repairs
Dodge fans are just mad that the mustang is the last muscle car in production. You probably heard them say "the mustang is not a muscle car." Sure, whatever you say dodge fans.
@@comicrandomness3289It helps them feel better considering their brand is dead, while the Mustang is going on 60 years of uninterrupted v8 production
A 70k muscle car wont save them
Tbh if they ain’t making no more challengers and chargers with hemis with 2w drive no point being interesting they killed off they only car that people loved smh
We need a new dodge dart, a 3 series weight/size vehicle that’s RWD with the I6.
I’ll drive my 17’ rt until the tires fall off! The reason I went Dodge is bc of their raw v8 engines, they also had the perfect set up for me to keep upgrading rt scat hellcat, I was set, just what I wanted, didn’t have to look no further for anything else. it’s not really so much about the power for me but the unexplainable feeling and experience I get behind the wheel. You can put a turbo and all the tech you want in a v6 but it will never sound or feel like a v8 hemi. I feel like a kid that got his candy taken away😅 I’m beyond sad and pissed we won’t see a hemi ever again. I mean what’s the point of selling these v6’s that aren’t any better than the v6’s already out there. Dodge should just keep their dignity and shut down if they can’t make v8’s.
Mazda MX5… love the old roadsters!!