The Real Origins and Different Sub Species of Targaryen Dragons

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  • Dragons from Game of thrones and House of the dragon are very different from each other and they are said to be of three different breeds but we are also going to talk about their origins, the evolution or how they came to be and also whether Balerion, Meraxes and Vhagar are also quite different from each other.
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  • @stormerjc9493
    @stormerjc9493 ปีที่แล้ว +627

    If I had to take a stab and what the different breeds are designed to do if we go with they where breed with magic I'd say that,
    The syrax species is designed for speed and agility in the air with a smaller size and smaller shape
    The caraxes species is designed for long distance travel with its long light body, lone wings and extra back leg wings
    And the drogon species is designed for pure fighting power with robust body, massive Jaws and powerful fire

    • @shoppincarties
      @shoppincarties ปีที่แล้ว +83

      but caraxes only has an elongated neck and extra wings because of a birth defect, no other dragons look like him

    • @mrdodo3132
      @mrdodo3132 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      @@shoppincarties yes but there are 3 types of dragons mainly based on their skulls, the wolf like, the dinosaur like and the in between type. even George went over this and there are multiple reasons for why the dragons look so different.

    • @Mr.Agateophile.
      @Mr.Agateophile. ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@shoppincarties Exactly.

    • @Mr.Agateophile.
      @Mr.Agateophile. ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@mrdodo3132 Yes but it still debunks Stormers theory as Caraxes is unique.

    • @fang609
      @fang609 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Problem with Caraxes is that his deformed according to an interview. Which explains why he is the way he is. I'm guessing any other Dragons we see with the wolf/dog skulls will look different. Heck we're seen what Vhagar and Meleys look like and they look completely different from all the other Dragons

  • @jackgould5332
    @jackgould5332 ปีที่แล้ว +350

    Caraxes is actually meant to somewhat deformed, as a young sunfire was shown in the extended trailers he had a similar look to caraxes but not the long serpentine body and neck

    • @Lethal_Giggles
      @Lethal_Giggles ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Must have missed it. Don’t remember seeing Sunfyre.

    • @yourallc-unts
      @yourallc-unts ปีที่แล้ว

      Wrong stop talking shit

    • @muntu1221
      @muntu1221 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      I feel like people are reading too much into that statement. It sounded to me like they were just saying they were going for a more odd or disturbing look, contrasting it with Syrax who was more falcon-like.

    • @vCLOWNSHOESv
      @vCLOWNSHOESv ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Caraxes is a blood worm which explains the appearance.

    • @muntu1221
      @muntu1221 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@vCLOWNSHOESv Blood *wyrm, which is usually just another name for a dragon. But it may also be the inspiration for him being serpentine.

  • @seventhirty22
    @seventhirty22 ปีที่แล้ว +278

    I hope this doesn't come off differently than intended, but the dragons didn't come to Westeros with Aegon and his sisters. They came to Westeros with Aegon's great-great-great grandparents.
    In fact, Vhagar and Meraxes were born in Westeros, on Dragonstone. Balerion is the only dragon that was actually born in Valyria.
    Not trying to be rude. But hopefully offer a helpful bit of information...
    Great video!!! Keep them coming...

    • @sinco7562
      @sinco7562 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Good looking out, but I think he cleared that up. Balerion and 4 other dragons were brought to Dragonstone from Old Valyria. Meraxes and Vhagar hatched on Dragonstone, then Aegon and his sister's brought those 3, Balerion, Meraxes and Vhagar to mainland Westeros.

    • @valarmorghulis5575
      @valarmorghulis5575 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Fact. Balerion was already very big and at his prime when he bonded with Aegon. He arrived with Aenar Targaryen when they exited Valyria because of his daughter's prophecy of an impending doom.

  • @elisebrodeur-jacobs5215
    @elisebrodeur-jacobs5215 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Meraxes and Vhagar were born on Dragonstone. Of the multiple dragons that Aenar Targaryen brought Balerion was the youngest having been born in Valyria several years before the Doom.

  • @hilltop9524
    @hilltop9524 ปีที่แล้ว +168

    As soon as I saw the different breeds/subspecies of the dragons of ASoIAF in the new show, I immediately thought that they were meant for different things:
    Bulkier breed - Balerion, Drogon, Vhagar, Rhaegal, Syrax
    Slim and agile breed - Caraxes, Sunfyre, Tessarion, Meleys, Morning
    Smaller breeds, meant for delivering messages and joyriding - Moondancer, Quicksilver
    I also believe that Valyrians bred them for specific jobs to assist in Valyria but that they were all bred for war or at the very least could be utilized in wars, be it vanguard, support, distraction, or messengers.

    • @tresjolieme81
      @tresjolieme81 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      you forgot slender Dreamfrye who I hope has Drogons look but blue.

    • @Alejojojo6
      @Alejojojo6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      And Meraxes?

    • @hilltop9524
      @hilltop9524 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@Alejojojo6 Hard to say for sure, from the descriptions of her, she was most likely the bulky breed as she was said to be big enough to eat a horse in one go. Possibly abnormally large agile breed, since HBO's own artwork shows her to have similar features to Caraxes (really long neck, similar to the Fellbeast in LoTR)

    • @thalmoragent9344
      @thalmoragent9344 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@hilltop9524
      Caraxes only has a long neck due to a deformation as a hatchling

    • @nomer4
      @nomer4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Geez, the books say in plain text that Caraxes don't form correctly in the egg, and you come up with a million types and archetypes on a case-by-case basis.

  • @SkaffaS
    @SkaffaS ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Drogon is still my favorite, he looks so menacing, imagine him at Vhagar's or even Balerion's size.

    • @DeB8834
      @DeB8834 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @SkaffaS drogon is my favorite too.. I m agree with you🐉🖤🔥❤

  • @connormohun1373
    @connormohun1373 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Just an FYI - Aegon’s ancestors brought them to Dragonstone. Balerion was one of the five and Vhegar and Meraxes are their descendants :)

  • @sean5558
    @sean5558 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    I would lean towards the theory of hybridization of wyverns and fire wyrms. I would also speculate that the parasitic fire wyrms with hands and faces that infected princess Aerea were used somehow by the Valyrians to fuse humans with blood of the dragon, like how retro virus is used in genetic engineering to introduce new genes into genome

    • @alixmattarozzi4724
      @alixmattarozzi4724 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Really interesting !!

    • @chelseasherrell6277
      @chelseasherrell6277 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yes! i said this on another vid where the same two people were arguing over and over in the comments about how there was nothing else in the world of ASOIAF that could harm a Targaryen dragon, especially Balerion.....even though something obviously did bc of his condition upon returning with princess Aerea. Septon Barth's book, Dragons, Wyrms, and WyrvernsL Their Unnatural History (which King Baelor I condemned and ordered every copy destroyed, except for a few incomplete surviving fragments) speculated on how it was possible the Valyrian bloodmages may have created dragons from wyvern (and firewyrm=some of the missing bits) stock/DNA. if Barth were indeed correct, then yeah a firewym or wyvern might F a dragon up, although for Balerion it may have taken a whole gang of them. firewyrms were said to live in the 14 Flames long before dragons appeared, that they hatred men, and could breathe fire. wyverns look similar to dragons in ASOIAF but are said to be more ferocious, they have wings and claws, but also sharp weird beaks, could not breathe fire, and were found just a bit south of Valyria on Sothoryos. i think thats probably what happened. maybe, lol love me some GRRM

    • @sean5558
      @sean5558 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@chelseasherrell6277 absolutely! I think wyvern or fire wyrms probably put up a fight and got some good licks in on Balerion but I think Balerion came out on top and came back and said “ yeah but you should see the other guy” lol

    • @chelseasherrell6277
      @chelseasherrell6277 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sean5558 🤣 yeah I can see that

    • @Jacob-ge1py
      @Jacob-ge1py ปีที่แล้ว

      wouldn't you expect to see accounts of the valyrians taming/using wyverns and fire wyrms then? It would be pretty weird if they managed to go straight from encountering two completely different species, in completely different places to merging the two together without some period of coming to understand both. Especially seeing as we're told that the Valyrians went from sheep farmers to dragons, wouldn't you expect there to be a period of the Valyrians using wyrms and/or wyverns? Utilising either one of those would surely earn them a place in the history books as something other than sheep farmers.

  • @menumlor9365
    @menumlor9365 ปีที่แล้ว +150

    As far as Danny is concerned they’re not beasts. They’re her children.

    • @mikerzisu9508
      @mikerzisu9508 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      And?

    • @dejoreljackson1787
      @dejoreljackson1787 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@mikerzisu9508 pretty sure that was meant as humor. Calm down : )

    • @menumlor9365
      @menumlor9365 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Thank you for catching on. Some folks are quite dense.

    • @ariaarulasan
      @ariaarulasan ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mad Queen

    • @mikerzisu9508
      @mikerzisu9508 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@menumlor9365 like yourself?

  • @kunik61
    @kunik61 ปีที่แล้ว +98

    Dragons don’t have breeds in GoT verse.
    I wish Martin wouldn’t make them die all the time. It is weird to mix obsession with dragons with obsession of giving them dramatic roles.
    Though I disagree that Drogon is the last one. We know that some dragons went in absentia. We know there are few more unhatched eggs. We know dragons may be living somewhere far away.

    • @rosesandsunflowers4905
      @rosesandsunflowers4905 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Maybe they are in west of the Westeros. I remember Arya going to discover there in the last episode of GOT. (I'm talking according to the series)

    • @kunik61
      @kunik61 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@rosesandsunflowers4905 I am sure they are but still.

    • @justt1984
      @justt1984 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@rosesandsunflowers4905 west of Westeros is just Far East essos, that’s it

    • @DatBoiChris420
      @DatBoiChris420 ปีที่แล้ว

      They clearly do in HOTD

    • @thesahel7218
      @thesahel7218 ปีที่แล้ว

      Who’s going to ride them though?

  • @canislunaticus
    @canislunaticus ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Wasn't caraxes said to be deformed? He seems to be the same breed as Arrax and Vermax. Syrax and Sunfyre seems to be the same breed. Seasmoke, dreamfyre, viserion, balerion, drogon and rhaegal seems to be the same breed. But that leaves Meleys who seems to be an entirely different breed, and not only in terms of looks but also her sound design. So it seems to be 4 different breeds (Drogon's breed, Syrax's breed, Vermax's breed and Meleys' breed) of course there can be dragons of same sub species or breed that look different from one another (different bend in horns for example) but the difference is too big for meleys to be related to any of the 3 main breeds unless she or any other dragons are hybrids

    • @helixxia9320
      @helixxia9320 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      i agree caraxes head shape is a bit similar to vermax and arrax and likely the same breed and he probably would have more of a similar body to them too had he not been born with the valyrian blood curse/deformity

    • @anndee5856
      @anndee5856 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Vermax is actually related to Vermithor's breed.

  • @user-cr4cj1fl8z
    @user-cr4cj1fl8z ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Its time for them to make a show or movie about Valyria before its colapse and show us a litle bit more of the east lands cuz you cant just put prequel after prequel story in Westeros cuz it will get stale and we already know how it all ends so many of the plotline or characters wont matter to us.

  • @samirmuhammad1781
    @samirmuhammad1781 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    daenerys' dragon eggs are probably the three dragon eggs stolen durin Jaehaerys I Targaryen 's reign. they could be Vhagar and Balerion's hatchlings for all we know.

    • @shedrackjenkins1941
      @shedrackjenkins1941 ปีที่แล้ว

      Whaat

    • @King_Blackheart
      @King_Blackheart ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Holy shit!!

    • @shedrackjenkins1941
      @shedrackjenkins1941 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@King_Blackheart that’s what I said!

    • @micheleford4282
      @micheleford4282 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      or vermithor and silverwing considering jaehaerys had vermithor and his wife had silver wing

    • @makshay
      @makshay ปีที่แล้ว +3

      3 eggs were stolen and the woman who stole them got ship wrecked near ashai.
      Dannys eggs came from ashai.
      So it makes sense now.

  • @brandenapexo604
    @brandenapexo604 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Caraxes and Vhagar look so unique to me

    • @brooklynnmcloud1470
      @brooklynnmcloud1470 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I love that they look more unique in HOTD. Caraxes is said to be deformed not bred that way. He’s my favorite

  • @makeupbydenicia
    @makeupbydenicia ปีที่แล้ว +40

    I would love to see Balerion the dread onceeee in this show 😩😩

    • @jackgould5332
      @jackgould5332 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      We just see his skull, but let's hope they do a at least series about aegons conquest

    • @mikerzisu9508
      @mikerzisu9508 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Maybe in a flashback

    • @paulnokio1199
      @paulnokio1199 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I predict that this will happen, however I bet they will save it for another spinoff /prequel

    • @tipodeincognito5660
      @tipodeincognito5660 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      And the showrunners know it. Everyone want the big moody lizard, so I'd be surprised if we dont get some flashback or dream with it. King Viserys was (shortly) its rider too, so its doable.

    • @tipodeincognito5660
      @tipodeincognito5660 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jackgould5332 Nothing against that idea, but maybe its too much of dragons and targaryen already. Ther are more places and eras to be explored. ( The first long night, with giants and chidren of the forest would be nice. Back to the ice)

  • @Mr.Agateophile.
    @Mr.Agateophile. ปีที่แล้ว +81

    The rules are different in each fantasy setting. A lot of people base their settings off D&D so the wyvern/dragon thing comes up when it really shouldn't.
    However, if we look to the real world "Dragon" is symply the english word for any giant serpintine creature. 2 legs, 4 legs, no legs, 2 wings, 4 wings, no wings All have been hystorically called Dragons, or an ancient form of the word.
    Aditional: the only historical distinction between Dragons and Wyverns (pronounced why-vern btw, not wi-vern) comes from historically modern heraldry, and even there they are refered to as 2 winged Dragons.

    • @mikerzisu9508
      @mikerzisu9508 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Okay, whatever you say mister phd

    • @Mr.Agateophile.
      @Mr.Agateophile. ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@mikerzisu9508 lol

    • @garrettlich7140
      @garrettlich7140 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Thank finally someone who knows thier shit and isn’t an ass about it

    • @klaythompson663
      @klaythompson663 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Marbas That's because of ignorance from people though. Some languages use the same term for tigers and lions because the people don't care to know the difference. But there are clear distinctions just like with Wyvern vs Dragons.

    • @Mr.Agateophile.
      @Mr.Agateophile. ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@klaythompson663 Except that the distinction is a modern addition. So it is not the same situation as lions and tigers at all.
      D&D popularised the idea that Wyverns are a seperate spiecies and that's fine if the setting does draw a distinction such as D&D and indeed ASOIAF. But that rule is not universal by any means. Historically a Dragon is literaly any giant serpentine creature, and in modern deffinitions any giant mythical reptile.
      You're right that it is a topic that many people are ignorant of, but not for the reasons you describe.
      And again, the only Real world distinction comes from English, Scottish, and Irish heraldry yet other European countries did not separate the two. So one cannot even say that European or western dragons are one specific form.
      Only when your specific Fantasy setting specifies there is a difference and then only in that world.

  • @tresjolieme81
    @tresjolieme81 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Dreamfrye I hope has Drogons face (since shes the mom), but femininized with her slender blue frame.

    • @yourallc-unts
      @yourallc-unts ปีที่แล้ว

      Stop your bullshit no truth behind comments you are wrong and always will be.

    • @valarmorghulis5575
      @valarmorghulis5575 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      and long lashes too like the dragon in Shrek

    • @prateekmahapatra1789
      @prateekmahapatra1789 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@valarmorghulis5575 lol

    • @Rat_Juice7000
      @Rat_Juice7000 ปีที่แล้ว

      aint no way ur tryna make a dragon be feminine or masculine

  • @softwareds8262
    @softwareds8262 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Waiting for war of dragon

  • @nicknobody1017
    @nicknobody1017 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    All wyverns are dragons but not all dragons are wyverns
    A wyvern in most fantasy stories (though not all) is just a different type of dragon.
    The way I see, wyverns and dragons are both very closely related evolution wise. They’re categorically related. Think of it like this: a bearded dragon and a gecko are both lizards so why make a fuss about the specifics?

    • @Mr.Agateophile.
      @Mr.Agateophile. ปีที่แล้ว +9

      The rules are different in each fantasy setting. A lot of people base their settings off D&D so the wyvern/dragon thing comes up when it really shouldn't.
      However, if we look to the real world "Dragon" is symply the elglish word for any giant serpintine creature. 2 legs, 4 legs, no legs, 2 wings, 4 wings, no wings All have been hystorically called Dragons, or an ancient form of the word.
      Aditional: the only historical distinction between Dragons and Wyverns (pronounced why-vern btw, not wi-vern) comes from historically modern heraldry, and even there they are refered to as 2 winged Dragons.

    • @Mr.Agateophile.
      @Mr.Agateophile. ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Your_local_fangirl That's a good point, they are refered to as "kin to dragons" though so I wonder how much the distinction is cultural rather than strictly biological taxonomy.

    • @Dracorientalis
      @Dracorientalis ปีที่แล้ว

      The first line of your comment is right on the money. But as absolute lifeless spod that's way to into mythologies and history I can clarify a bit more in a real world sense. 'Wyvern (pronounced Why-vern) is actually a term for a biomechanical frame type of certain animals, like humans are bipedal and dogs are quadrapeds. Bats are technically wyverns, using their fore legs / arms to walk as well as fly. All pterasaurs are wyverns for the same reason. However there is a greek / roman mythological creature called: 'Wyvern' too (pronounce wiv-ern and not Why-vern) that gets people confused. Wyverns (wiv-erns) are about human height with a dragon like body that stand up right like chicken or seagull with wings cross behind their backs or tuck in at the sides like modern bird and have snake like necks and heads. They don't breath fire instead they spit acid or tar. So same spelling but different pronouncation and meaning. One is nasty walking winged-snake like acidic tar snot squirter from greek mythos and the other is referrence to a body type of a animal (in most cases, a type of dragon or to describe how flying dinosaurs may have lived on the ground).

  • @sphereunitedheroes7936
    @sphereunitedheroes7936 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Dragons from the game of throne are the closest as a realistic and that's what I like about these creatures.

    • @yourallc-unts
      @yourallc-unts ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Dragons were never real so they can't ever be realistic....

    • @sphereunitedheroes7936
      @sphereunitedheroes7936 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@yourallc-unts Ik, but looking at Drogon's design and his behavior, if you wanted to make a dragon that almost looks real, Drogon is a great example.

    • @yourallc-unts
      @yourallc-unts ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@sphereunitedheroes7936 well no 8t ain't as they aren't real so they never looked like anything

    • @yoanmihov5143
      @yoanmihov5143 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sphereunitedheroes7936 Drogon was pretty generic tbh compared to what we're getting in HotD.

  • @thaprofessa2296
    @thaprofessa2296 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yeah drogon seasmoke and belerion type seem more closely related than others like syrax vhagar and caraxes, kinda points to fire wyrm wyvern hybrids. Also note the nose shape differences

  • @Lucky13Ravens
    @Lucky13Ravens ปีที่แล้ว +6

    No part of me believe they are 'breeds'. Dragons are shown to be sentient, and are talked of as choosing their own mates. They are family lines.

    • @helixxia9320
      @helixxia9320 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      it is said that they have specific breeds. not sure if the show universe really designs the dragons after that particular thing from the books or if they just design them how they feel. but since almost all other dragons died like 200 years before house of the dragon then the targaryens would probably just breed together any dragon that is left so the breeds are all just mixed now and the dragons look however

  • @vjimenez8
    @vjimenez8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like how they give a nod in the show to the rumor Dreamfyre is Dany’s dragons’ mom. They created her EXACTLY like Drogon & Co just a different shade. Momma Dreamfyre 💙

  • @dreamwarrior_7833
    @dreamwarrior_7833 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    You're not watching HOTW. C'mon, they're called dragons in the books and series.

    • @Lesistius
      @Lesistius ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes, but this is more like saying it’s a “cat “, sure but there are different breeds and species of cats. Just like there are different types of dragons !

    • @_saul9747
      @_saul9747 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You should have known 33 seconds into the video that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. He said that Balerion, Meraxes, and Vhagar came with the Targaryens from Valeria but only Balerion did from the 3, Meraxes & Vhagar were hatched at Dragonstone.

    • @FamilyChannel-yv1xv
      @FamilyChannel-yv1xv ปีที่แล้ว +3

      In the game of thrones world there literally is two differences two wyverns and dragons,dragons breath fire and wyverns have beaks,so to try and say the game of thrones dragons are wyverns is pointless because your wrong,it’s a different world with different rules,plus I think wyverns are extinct in the books

  • @aimeejones9533
    @aimeejones9533 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The showrunners confirmed there are three breeds of dragon - is there a clip of this? I keep seeing people say HBO are confirming certain things and can never find them!

    • @canislunaticus
      @canislunaticus ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The showrunners needs to fact check themselves or go back to learning about breeds/sub species because there are clearly more than 3 breeds, or at the very least hybrids and mixes. Also there's no way Vhagar hatched so many different breeds alone.

  • @kylelee5966
    @kylelee5966 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    vhagar and meleys seem to be different breeds also

  • @deborahgoslin5858
    @deborahgoslin5858 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks !

  • @a4j6y2l9
    @a4j6y2l9 ปีที่แล้ว

    0:21 it was aenar targaryen who relocated his house from valyria to dragonstone and they lived there for 6 generations before aegon, rhaenys, and visenya conquered westeros. balerion was the last targaryen dragon to have seen valyria before its collapse, he died at over 200 years old. vhagar and meraxes were both hatched on dragonstone.

  • @clayharris7740
    @clayharris7740 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Hey MindQ can you please do How to Train Your Dragon and Dragons the Nine Realms videos and theories and dragon species and biology like are dragons archosaurs ancient prehistoric creatures from the Mesozoic era that are related to dinosaurs birds pterosaurs and crocodillans

  • @paleoguy2165
    @paleoguy2165 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    They’re not the same species but they’re the same genus. Just different species

    • @helixxia9320
      @helixxia9320 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      does it say that in the book? have the showrunners said that?

  • @cambuxton6835
    @cambuxton6835 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love dragons. I don’t care what breed they are.

  • @derekbidelman2442
    @derekbidelman2442 ปีที่แล้ว

    I feel like there are 3 different types for sure,one is a more horse, for riding long distance quickly ,the second is like Ceraxes or Meleys more wolf type and the 3rd kind is Belarion and Vaghar more like a lion.

  • @Qbgarden
    @Qbgarden ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Vhagar is a Khezu shaped dragon

  • @Trucker0308
    @Trucker0308 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Im lost here? They came with 5 dragons and the is rest history so how did these other breeds come about? I need Them to make it make sense

    • @helixxia9320
      @helixxia9320 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      breeds probably are not much of a thing anymore since the first targaryens in westeros had so few left and just likely bred together any they could to get eggs and keep the species alive. the dragons living during the dance are probably mixed between breeds, but we can maybe try and look who is related closest by head shapes. in old valyria they probably kept breeds more apart to have the specific traits kept for each type. but in the current show i think the dragons are just not pure bred breeds anymore

  • @Juansaurusguillermerikchow95
    @Juansaurusguillermerikchow95 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    hello,i am new in your channel

  • @jithinraj1830
    @jithinraj1830 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Meleys is the most underrated dragon

  • @Ned-nw6ge
    @Ned-nw6ge ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wyverns being basically dragons with any number of limbs but unable to breathe fire comes from actual dragon mythology. It's funny to me how the ability to breathe fire sets dragons apart from wyverns instead of their number of limbs.

  • @flamenebula1856
    @flamenebula1856 ปีที่แล้ว

    The theory of dragons being hybrids from wyverns & fire worms seem plausible, tho all dragons were bred for fighting and the older they are the bigger they grow so there are only 2 types,
    Heavy slower "war horse" type :- Drogon, Balarion, Vhagar
    Sleeker nimble, faster type :- cyrax, sunfyre, meleys
    Caraxes although it is said was deformed is probably a throw back to what the first F1 hybrid looked like, as he looks like a worm who has wings and breaths fire

  • @jackashmore
    @jackashmore ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Don’t get your nerd into my lore guys, they’re dragons in this universe and they have wyverns (F spelling) already in GoT just not on show

  • @tiaancornelius996
    @tiaancornelius996 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    What if they just call all of them dragons, though they are different species just like in the original series they called all dogs hounds

    • @obiwahndagobah9543
      @obiwahndagobah9543 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is in fact an interesting bit of history of the English language. Until the Norman conquest of England, "hound" was the only word for dogs. Like in German were it is "Hund". Dog is an old loanword from medieval Norman French. Because of the Norman aristocracy in England "dog" spread into the common speech and "hound" was only remembered in the countryside, where hunting dogs were used.

  • @Dalipoko
    @Dalipoko ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The last theory is straight outta Tolkien’s universe. Not a jab at GRRM, just sayin.

  • @tipodeincognito5660
    @tipodeincognito5660 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I really dont think they have "breeds" at all. Just a lot of individual variety. Daenerys ones were a special case, being sort of "brothers" by the way they were hatched, and involving accidental blood magic and also her gimmick of not burning.

    • @abhisheksuratkar
      @abhisheksuratkar ปีที่แล้ว +2

      well if dany's 3 dragon eggs were from same litter then makes sense why they are exactly same other than color

  • @Kenneth_James
    @Kenneth_James ปีที่แล้ว

    If HBO was smart they would have made a show featuring Ancient Valyria. Would have been visually amazing and interesting.

  • @mccarlmiranda3643
    @mccarlmiranda3643 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    MAYBE SMAUG WAS ONE OF THEM

  • @Yeaitstemp
    @Yeaitstemp ปีที่แล้ว

    cant wait till we get dragon battle just vicious

  • @mucahitsimsek4988
    @mucahitsimsek4988 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is the voice actor Stewie from Family Guy?

  • @Lesistius
    @Lesistius ปีที่แล้ว +3

    WHYverns not WIIverns

  • @mikerude5073
    @mikerude5073 ปีที่แล้ว

    Don't necessarily put too much sock in what showrunners say. Often they do something for an artistic choice, and then make a comment about it, but have put far less thought into it than the fans. The fans then run wild with theories, but none of it will necessarily play out in anything on the show. I've seen fan arguments going on and on at length, on which dragon type Vhagar is, with fans comparing her skull to a T.Rex, to show she looks nothing like a horse, then others arguing that isn't what horse type means, and so on. Then they will further argue about which breed simply has to be the parent of Danny's dragons, and others will argue that different breeds doesn't mean they can't necessarily produce offspring with other breed characteristics. Putting too much thought into this. The dragon's vary in appearance, but don't try to extrapolate too much from it.

  • @heidischeffler8976
    @heidischeffler8976 ปีที่แล้ว

    Umm, Aenor Targaryen, Father of Danys the Dreamer is the one who brought 5 dragons with them to Dragonstone, the youngest being the Black dread. It was not Aegon and his sisters.

  • @ajackass5950
    @ajackass5950 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Aegon was absolutely not the first to bring dragons to westeros. that honor goes to Aenar, father of Daynes the dreamer who forsaw the doom. dragon lords were seen visiting westeros and specifically flying over the black water rush when Aenar migrated to dragonstone. likely trying to get Aenar to return his dragons to the freehold as it was illegal for them to live outside of Valyria. then the doom came. a few generations later, Aegon came around and had his dream. Then he and his sisters brought their dragons to war. they were not this first recorded dragon riders in westeros which you literally just stated near the end of the video after previously saying the opposite. do you even know words you are saying?

  • @sureshmakwana8709
    @sureshmakwana8709 ปีที่แล้ว

    0:21 Isn't this info wrong?? Only Balerion was the original dragon who was alive and had seen the Old Valeria and was flown by the grandfather of Aegon. Vhagar and meraxes were born on Dragonstone in Westeros. And Aegon and his sister wives too were born on Dragonstone !

  • @RareVBlue
    @RareVBlue ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Can you imagine being the dragon tamer that got them both to breed together??
    Dragon tamer: eyyyy you need to hit that

  • @jacobbelfegor8761
    @jacobbelfegor8761 ปีที่แล้ว

    I want see Young Griff Blackfyre Ride cannibal 😍😍

  • @jacksonkingdom5367
    @jacksonkingdom5367 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Now that season 2 is out as of episode 3 the director of that episode said pretty much that syrax is the mother of drogon which makes 0 sense and its a stupid decision,

  • @tsr-animations7798
    @tsr-animations7798 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    In the A Song of Ice and Fire universe, Dragons and Wyverns are closely related but distinctly different species with a common ancestor.
    George's Dragons are more realistic in their body plan, by having 4 limbs and not the stereotypical European 6 limbed body plan.
    Let's assume evolution in this universe happened in parallel with what happened in real life. Where both dragons and wyverns evolved from a quadruped ancestor. One of them evolved the ability to breathe fire, but other didn't.
    Dragons uses quadruped locomotion, much like what bats and pterosaurs do.
    Wyverns in this universe, I'm not sure if they're bipeds or quadrupeds, but it's still possible for them to evolve bidal locomotion and be able to fly, a good irl example are birds, who's distant ancestors are quadrupeds that evolved into bipeds (aka Dinosaurs and later birds).

  • @BDawg-hy7pl
    @BDawg-hy7pl 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    They’re not sub species, they just look different. Just like people

  • @mikearts8835
    @mikearts8835 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    There might be more breeds of dragons since targaryens had more dragons than only Balerion, Vhagar and Meraxes. Before Aegon they had idk exactly how many but I guess 5-8

  • @DeB8834
    @DeB8834 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Drogon is my fav!!❤4e

  • @justsaymayb3
    @justsaymayb3 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’m not too sure you’ve read much of these books if at all

  • @shunsui5626
    @shunsui5626 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    lol he used an ark survival dragon as an example hahahaha i love that game

  • @anneconner1108
    @anneconner1108 ปีที่แล้ว

    What is all the theories are all correct but just happen in a certain order. Like someone from the shadow lands made them from a wyvern and wyrm , took them to valariya, then the eggs they lay there hatched and people thought that was the beginning of them,
    then lil later some targs did some blood magic to tweak them to make the new creatures (dragons) obey them since they where really into that with all the slaves they owned and what not.
    Only one idk about and can’t get behind is the whole cracked second moon theory. But someone feel free to enlighten me to it. Maybe I just can seen the possibilities in that one.

  • @binukjose1903
    @binukjose1903 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dude these are fantacy and why do you try to explain it 😂😂😂😂

  • @wandersonsalazarsalazar8545
    @wandersonsalazarsalazar8545 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello, please put a subtitle in Spanish or Portuguese. Your channel is very interesting, but I get lost in some English words 😅

  • @PlatipuseKing
    @PlatipuseKing ปีที่แล้ว

    There were likely many more breeds lost. The dragons that laid the great valyrian roads were most likely a special breed selected for their ability to control fire and work stone. House targaryen were one of the weakest valyrian houses and probably had the lowest tiers of dragons

  • @rmarx1496
    @rmarx1496 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wow, you really have no idea what you're talking about. Dragonstone was settled by Targaryens over a hundred years before Aegon's conquest...and they had dragons.

  • @quagmire8565
    @quagmire8565 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Do u guys think that dragons really existed in the real world history 😶😶

    • @yourallc-unts
      @yourallc-unts ปีที่แล้ว

      They really do but what do you expect most people on TH-cam/social media are thick as shit especially the Americans

  • @jasonlauritsen5587
    @jasonlauritsen5587 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really, what happened was that a drake n a fire wurm got drunk and what the result of that night, was dragons.

  • @aixatroche3636
    @aixatroche3636 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Couple mistakes vhagar was born on dragon stone maybe the book in India the translation says it was born on valyria when it wasn't it was only balerion born in valyria

  • @DinoMan_6
    @DinoMan_6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Budget diff.

    • @mikerzisu9508
      @mikerzisu9508 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah? You work for HBO? Otherwise be quiet

  • @yonirais4699
    @yonirais4699 ปีที่แล้ว

    i would say that vhagar is her own kind of subspecies of dragons and syrax is of the same breed as drogon and his brothers

  • @materesalucidomiranda9314
    @materesalucidomiranda9314 ปีที่แล้ว

    CARAXES WAS BREED IN MICRORAPTOR

  • @telfordexotics167
    @telfordexotics167 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wish all the dragons looked the same man, not a fan of this descion, like not identical but the same body plan, the long body plan is dead out man let's be honest

  • @safuan2009
    @safuan2009 ปีที่แล้ว

    Outch my ears, not earphones friendly bruh…

  • @Kevynmorgan
    @Kevynmorgan 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Argon didn't bring the dragons

  • @prajnahegde2440
    @prajnahegde2440 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good content but your narration is giving me anxiety

  • @paulnokio1199
    @paulnokio1199 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Wyvern =4 legs +2 wings. Dragons 2 legs +2 modified arms/wings cmon People lol.

  • @gaayyak
    @gaayyak ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If in the books Caraxes was killed by a scorpion in Dorne, why was this not common knowledge as these people know their history so well. The scorpion was introduced as an invention of Qyburn in season 7.

    • @galangadhywibowo6640
      @galangadhywibowo6640 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      it was meraxes

    • @yourallc-unts
      @yourallc-unts ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Also qyburn said the scorpion schematics was from dorne he just built it. Do you even know the show/books

  • @raimundasalazar9416
    @raimundasalazar9416 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cada a legenda

  • @wyattfinnesgard8195
    @wyattfinnesgard8195 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    First

  • @ousmanjallow7866
    @ousmanjallow7866 ปีที่แล้ว

    W

  • @Just-Ignore-It_88
    @Just-Ignore-It_88 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    They more like wyverns than dragons. Draco from Dragon Heart was a dragon that had 4 legs.

    • @Mr.Agateophile.
      @Mr.Agateophile. ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The rules are different in each fantasy setting. A lot of people base their settings off D&D so the wyvern/dragon thing comes up when it really shouldn't.
      However, if we look to the real world "Dragon" is symply the elglish word for any giant serpintine creature. 2 legs, 4 legs, no legs, 2 wings, 4 wings, no wings All have been hystorically called Dragons, or an ancient form of the word.
      Aditional: the only historical distinction between Dragons and Wyverns (pronounced why-vern btw, not wi-vern) comes from historically modern heraldry, and even there they are refered to as 2 winged Dragons.

    • @Just-Ignore-It_88
      @Just-Ignore-It_88 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Mr.Agateophile. more like drakes then?

    • @yourallc-unts
      @yourallc-unts ปีที่แล้ว

      Neither existed so they are not like either..

  • @davidpuia2564
    @davidpuia2564 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Dragon from Dragonheart movie is the best in body structure

  • @greatdragon_nns
    @greatdragon_nns ปีที่แล้ว

    they are wyverns, not dragons, dragons, have 2 front legs(arms), 2 back legs, and wings, while wyverns only have 2 legs, and winged arms ! don't disrespect my kind !

    • @EEZO115
      @EEZO115 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      no

  • @chinmay4331
    @chinmay4331 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This video kind of fails because all the dragons we see in HotD are descended from Vhagar. The only dragon descended from Meraxes was Quicksilver and it was killed by Balerion. Balerion, being a male dragon, did not itself lay any clutch of eggs.

  • @pepeddrobarros2934
    @pepeddrobarros2934 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So, they mate? They have sexual breedind? And, why never we see a female with cubs?

    • @EEZO115
      @EEZO115 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      i think they reproduce asexually

  • @nichhodge8503
    @nichhodge8503 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Caraxes & Vhagar don’t look as good as Drogon. I love Drogon’s design and his fire seemed to be explosive as we saw when he destroyed King’s Landing all by himself, stone buildings and the city walls just blew up like dynamite had been used, though it was said Balerion’s fire did the same when people thought they were safe inside their castles as stone doesn’t melt (which it does hence lava/magma). But Caraxes’s long serpent like body just looks wrong where as Vhagar’s hornless head and big flappy bit of skin under her neck were disappointing to see as I wanted to see her look like Drogon but just bigger

    • @canislunaticus
      @canislunaticus ปีที่แล้ว

      Vhagar's appearance is quite realistic but I miss the fins because those made them look more airborne

  • @Tarnished-bn5gq
    @Tarnished-bn5gq ปีที่แล้ว +10

    None of them are an actual dragon (4 legs) tho.

    • @joshuawebber388
      @joshuawebber388 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Dragons don't have four legs, if it had 4 legs it would be to heavy to fly

    • @rebellious_red7123
      @rebellious_red7123 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Evolutionary a dragon with four legs and wings doesn’t make sense or work, that’s why they went with the wyvern direction because it does make sense from an evolution standpoint

    • @user-hc6nv1cf2r
      @user-hc6nv1cf2r ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@joshuawebber388 dragons are already very heavy to ever fly

    • @mrdodo3132
      @mrdodo3132 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      they are as they breathe fire and wyverns don't. if the author says they are dragons then they are dragons.

    • @silasramsbottom6014
      @silasramsbottom6014 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They ar wvryns

  • @JocasToy
    @JocasToy ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Aena Targaryen leave vlyria freehold bring only 5 Dragon(balerion)… only 1 survive(balerion) 4 dragon death in war with army in essos bcs only targaryen at that time has dragon…so basicly only Balerion born in vlyria… and the rest of dragon hatch in dragon stone

    • @yourallc-unts
      @yourallc-unts ปีที่แล้ว

      Pick up a dictionary before typing such nonsense

  • @lillypharaoh5945
    @lillypharaoh5945 ปีที่แล้ว

    Caraxis is a deformed dragon there were no dragons like him

  • @dexterrobinson4065
    @dexterrobinson4065 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Sounds like HBO is butchering the original storyline, hmm 🤔

  • @BlankEmporium
    @BlankEmporium ปีที่แล้ว +2

    More clickbait garbage. Nice.

  • @neildiamond-personal9855
    @neildiamond-personal9855 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This video says something wrong. Caraxes isn't part of a bread. Dragon bodies are all robust and similar. Facial features change but they are mostly similar. Caraxes is malformed and has birth defects. This is shown on how his roar is more of a shriek and his body is disproportionate. He's a more isolated dragon bcuz he is discriminated by other dragons

  • @observer950
    @observer950 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Narrate properly please

  • @agnesdianaracz
    @agnesdianaracz ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The differenc is their wife escaped and maybe they are now on an other planet. I send the Dragon a kiss on their chest, pray to God that they dont make other dragons. They must learn loyality and eat much more sheeps and other 🐒🦖🦕🐙.

  • @JBlack2991
    @JBlack2991 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yo I wanted to give this a chance, but you started off with false statements…. Aegon and his sister wives where born on Dragonstone…. Vhagar was as well….

  • @analothor
    @analothor 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Now the real question is does this make logical sense with the dragon family tree in your other video
    If vhagar birthed most of these lines why don't they look like her

  • @travaughnanderson3958
    @travaughnanderson3958 ปีที่แล้ว

    This whole video is a nithing burger

  • @wolverine2314
    @wolverine2314 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I was disappointed with House of the Dragon show's First 3 Dragons.
    Especially Caraxes is very Awful look.
    and They all are older but smaller than Dani's 3 Dragons.

    • @sunnyboyjr2611
      @sunnyboyjr2611 ปีที่แล้ว

      So you didn’t pay attention to the show then? If you did you would know the reason why her dragons were bigger

  • @exp1icit
    @exp1icit ปีที่แล้ว +1

    why bother the show is Garbage

    • @rayyan6401
      @rayyan6401 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Give it a chance ffs

    • @exp1icit
      @exp1icit ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@rayyan6401 I have already given two chances how many do they get? ffs

    • @MMadesen
      @MMadesen ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Thats your opinion. Overall rating say otherwise.

    • @Random-qi3vv
      @Random-qi3vv ปีที่แล้ว +9

      nah, its fking great

    • @rrraynoorrr
      @rrraynoorrr ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The show is pretty good. Not as good as GoT peak but certainly really good nonetheless.

  • @ramsaysnow9196
    @ramsaysnow9196 ปีที่แล้ว

    So its obviouse that some people brought wyverns to valirya and mixed them wizh fireworms.