Ridiculous interviews, possibility of getting laid off, decreasing wages, constant pressure of learning new things... I'm 35 and hopefully will quit soon
Bruh I'm already 7 years in the industry. Thing is, you shouldn't make Software Engineer your personality, its just a tool to make money and have a life. I also hate it and already getting tired but the pay is way higher compared to other industries.
Started programming at 8, became 34, started saving up for quitting, started evaluating a bunch of possible own products and building up the courage, at 36 I quit, and started my own thing. I'm 40 now. Don't make quite as much money (yet) but I've been ridiculously happy ever since quitting. Sure, it involves staring into the abyss and chewing glass quite a bit, but even with that im still happier. Because im building MY thing. Not THEIR thing. My secret trick: don't pick the sensible project. Pick the meaningful one. I was done with being sensible. Being sensible would've stayed at my cushy well paid job. After chasing the unreasonable but meaningful goal for a couple of years I discovered a reasonable angle within that big meaningful thing. I discovered MY thing.
@@enque01 can you share more of your journey? What was the meaningful thing, and how did you find it? Also, how do you juggle that with a family if you have one? Personal question :)
I was an engineering manager between 34 and 40. Now at 42 I'm much happier as a principal dev - work is less stressful, I'm learning new things every day and the pay is more or less the same. You don't have to be a cog, find a company where you can share in the dream together.
Almost 20y being software developer and I never been so sure that I'm just like any worker. Being a developer is not even close related to the real world problems: management, sales, marketing... But feel free guys to believe and dream and fool yourselves
My good man, entrepreneurship requires its own skill set that does not necessarily mesh with those of a developer. It worked out for you, and that's great, but if there's one thing I've learned watching my boss (the founder of the company I work at) over the years is that I don't want to go down that road, ever. To each their own. Also, why would I feel bad about building stuff for other people? Does a shoemaker feel bad about making shoes for someone other than himself? Not really. By the way, I'm 40, and I'm not entirely satisfied with my job as a dev. But I don't see the advice you're giving as helpful - to me at least.
Hi Pip, "I'm 40, and I'm not entirely satisfied with my job as a dev. But I don't see the advice you're giving as helpful - to me at least." if you’re open to it, I’d recommend checking out this playlist where I dive into why I believe software engineers have unique advantages when it comes to entrepreneurship: th-cam.com/play/PLXF6g9GSJulvSai5BQcEcbWehM6dgxOFF.html&si=3uXWNv13sLTH0FuY It’s not about convincing you, but rather offering a perspective that might be worth considering. And in the meantime, you shouldn't feel bad about building stuff for other people - there’s no shame in that at all. My stance is more about making sure that the work we do, whether for ourselves or others, aligns with our goals and creates meaningful impact (end of the day, we are creators). If that resonates, great. If not, I wish you the best.
I learn programming videogames at 11 Started working at 20 as backend and have now 5-6 years of XP. I am in love with doing good, simple, effective code. I've grown frustrated with the foolish people on the leadership wanting devs to code fast, without errors and to just be machines. But what I hate the most it's the current state of the industry: lay offs, decreasing wages, forcing backends to fullstacks, bs interview proceses. I don't mind doing mindless job, being handed a list of requirements and just create code to satisfy them. What I mind is when my boss is mindless.
If everyone follows this logic then who will be working for you if you ended up trying to build your own company??? The reality is that not every one is suitable to be entrepreneur exactly the same as not every one could be an employee with somebody. Everyone should look for the place that he can invest in his skills the most balancing that with the risk he is capable of handling.
Not really, as developers we are mostly creators. It's like creating art and someone else gets the credit and money from other people viewing it or using it.
Almost 20y being software developer and I never been so sure that I'm just like any worker. Being a developer is not even close related to the real world problems: management, sales, marketing... But feel free guys to believe and dream and fool yourselves
@@nicolaspettican Code isn't art, its just code. I think you are mixing that up with entrepreneurship. A chef can make "art", but still working for someone else who "gets the credit and money". But they can create their own restaurant and make their food in their own shop. Y'all just don't want to work for businesses, period.
@@Tay-ho6sg Bro, you have 250k, if you got your 100k saved up per year, it's gonna be like 400k after 4 year. You can walk away! but, there are so many who can't do that!
Well thats how it works you first work for someone else's dream and then start your own company and build your own no? You're in there for experience not to stay till death
so true, software engineer is construction work, i got into the field to build my own houses. Continuing to do side project to get out of the rat race. Well said
This video focuses more on employee dissatisfaction, making the title misleading by framing the issue as unique to software engineers. Software engineering actually opens more doors to entrepreneurship than many other fields, so I wouldn’t call it harsh.
Thank for this video Bgo! I'd probably just added that this might not be the only way how to escape the matrix. Entrepreneurship is a 3rd quadrant but only 2 or 3 out 10 make it enough to replace their previous five figures engineering & tech leads salaries. There is also a 4th quadrant - investor that can get you to financial security. And once your bills are covered from lets say dividend stocks you are bit more balanced in your software career as well. Merry Christmas devs :)
If the people who ran the company i worked for in my 20's didn't turn into assholes of the first degree then I would still do that. Now im a technology generalist within a federal government and it's never been better. We get to challenge our self everyday and it's up to our self how far we develop. So we take things all the way because we can!
Do not worry just learn one programming language well and later you can have more merit opinion, since you will have clearer perspective, you are too young to worry
they are just whining kids. I love programming. Learning new stuff and decreasing money is nothing to fear about. The only thing to fear is how long it will take for AI to replace most of us. It's shit right now but it is just a matter of time.
fears of the unknown are understandable, but they can be managed. if you just focus on the next two small steps and don't think further it will be easy
Bro this is a great video, I am surprised you don't have more views. This is very motivating and I want to build something on my own and I am not even in IT.
A cog in the machine job has high salary because the value is created within that machine only. That sw job role has no (or very very low) value without the machine.
I am the 1 in 5. I love my job. But I'm more on the Cloud Architecture now. Moving to consulting and AI now as the juice is there, not hired for someone.
yeah right... I loved programming when I was a kid and I still love it. I don't understand why ppl want to quit. or that they are angry to build for someone else... it just shows they didn't try to do their own thing. I have tried and failed couple times. it's not about coding the products are about much more than that. I am happy to just do the coding I really don't enjoy the other stuff
@kraldada6557 totally. I also tried to start a business, failed, but thanks to that, it gave me my cloud computing skills as was the first demanding real-world experience. Now I work remote, have been in AWS events paid by my company, and met lots of people that will join me on a side quest once I start to go solo again.
You are right. I wrote in a code in the company as employee and IT directors say if I was not an employee, I could have sold the system for 300million but I am earning 400 because I am in a developing country and that salary is the average.
While do agree, but it kind of sounds like a spoiled kid if you compare it to so many other jobs. But i did also quit a almost 300k salary as a software developer
@ for nothing. Needed tho think if i wanted to leave the whole tech behind. Its not what it used to be 15-20 years ago. Either im old and «everything used to be much better when i was young» or the whole industry is flooded with so much «overhead» that kills all passion and trust/freedom we used to have.
@ the «factory worker» setup where everyone is just a cog in the machine. All the company overhead (like the daily standups where everyone is speaking without saying anything) the total lack of trust in the people (the heavy code review practices). No connection to the users/customer so you have no idea what are the problems you are solving and if we actually solve them. Then its the broader things in the society where you became «the ultra rich» (im not living or working in the us) and the governments get a bigger cut of your salary than you get, while they hate you for it and do whatever they can to prevent it. Add all the regulations they’ve implemented makes the future look kind of bad when it comes to the right to own your own assets, keep your saving etc. all this just made it meaningless to earn the money when in the end it is not yours to keep.
well anyone could do it before as well. Just learn it and do it. AI won't write the code for you you still need to go throught the whole process of understanding what you are doing. yes AI will help you but you still need to learn it yourself so .. Nope right now you cannot just tell AI to create a real world app, that's not gonna be possible for at least couple years.
@@Soya8827 I don't know it still seems very limited for me. It can do whole apps but this kind of apps I can do in a day too. By real world app I mean something more complex.
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Ridiculous interviews, possibility of getting laid off, decreasing wages, constant pressure of learning new things... I'm 35 and hopefully will quit soon
same age with you brother. felt that.
Me three you guys, best of luck with your career adventures
but I bet you earn well.
Bruh I'm already 7 years in the industry. Thing is, you shouldn't make Software Engineer your personality, its just a tool to make money and have a life. I also hate it and already getting tired but the pay is way higher compared to other industries.
36 yo, started programming at 11, I’m tired. This video came at the right time
Started programming at 8, became 34, started saving up for quitting, started evaluating a bunch of possible own products and building up the courage, at 36 I quit, and started my own thing. I'm 40 now. Don't make quite as much money (yet) but I've been ridiculously happy ever since quitting. Sure, it involves staring into the abyss and chewing glass quite a bit, but even with that im still happier. Because im building MY thing. Not THEIR thing. My secret trick: don't pick the sensible project. Pick the meaningful one. I was done with being sensible. Being sensible would've stayed at my cushy well paid job. After chasing the unreasonable but meaningful goal for a couple of years I discovered a reasonable angle within that big meaningful thing. I discovered MY thing.
@@enque01 can you share more of your journey? What was the meaningful thing, and how did you find it? Also, how do you juggle that with a family if you have one? Personal question :)
@@enque01 up
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unless you are making $250,000 / year -> this video is not for you!
Go back coding
I was an engineering manager between 34 and 40. Now at 42 I'm much happier as a principal dev - work is less stressful, I'm learning new things every day and the pay is more or less the same. You don't have to be a cog, find a company where you can share in the dream together.
Exactly what I was about to say
This is usually best in small scale companies though
Almost 20y being software developer and I never been so sure that I'm just like any worker. Being a developer is not even close related to the real world problems: management, sales, marketing... But feel free guys to believe and dream and fool yourselves
My good man, entrepreneurship requires its own skill set that does not necessarily mesh with those of a developer. It worked out for you, and that's great, but if there's one thing I've learned watching my boss (the founder of the company I work at) over the years is that I don't want to go down that road, ever. To each their own.
Also, why would I feel bad about building stuff for other people? Does a shoemaker feel bad about making shoes for someone other than himself? Not really.
By the way, I'm 40, and I'm not entirely satisfied with my job as a dev. But I don't see the advice you're giving as helpful - to me at least.
Hi Pip,
"I'm 40, and I'm not entirely satisfied with my job as a dev. But I don't see the advice you're giving as helpful - to me at least."
if you’re open to it, I’d recommend checking out this playlist where I dive into why I believe software engineers have unique advantages when it comes to entrepreneurship: th-cam.com/play/PLXF6g9GSJulvSai5BQcEcbWehM6dgxOFF.html&si=3uXWNv13sLTH0FuY
It’s not about convincing you, but rather offering a perspective that might be worth considering.
And in the meantime, you shouldn't feel bad about building stuff for other people - there’s no shame in that at all. My stance is more about making sure that the work we do, whether for ourselves or others, aligns with our goals and creates meaningful impact (end of the day, we are creators).
If that resonates, great.
If not, I wish you the best.
I learn programming videogames at 11
Started working at 20 as backend and have now 5-6 years of XP.
I am in love with doing good, simple, effective code.
I've grown frustrated with the foolish people on the leadership wanting devs to code fast, without errors and to just be machines.
But what I hate the most it's the current state of the industry: lay offs, decreasing wages, forcing backends to fullstacks, bs interview proceses.
I don't mind doing mindless job, being handed a list of requirements and just create code to satisfy them. What I mind is when my boss is mindless.
If everyone follows this logic then who will be working for you if you ended up trying to build your own company??? The reality is that not every one is suitable to be entrepreneur exactly the same as not every one could be an employee with somebody. Everyone should look for the place that he can invest in his skills the most balancing that with the risk he is capable of handling.
I agree perfectly. Not Everyone is cut out to be founders
Your logic is correct BUT not everyone will and that’s why he is right
You can literally say this about every other job?
Not really, as developers we are mostly creators. It's like creating art and someone else gets the credit and money from other people viewing it or using it.
@@nicolaspettican Boom
@@nicolaspetticanyeah that’s why being self employed developer is the best , build yours not someone else’s.
Almost 20y being software developer and I never been so sure that I'm just like any worker. Being a developer is not even close related to the real world problems: management, sales, marketing... But feel free guys to believe and dream and fool yourselves
@@nicolaspettican Code isn't art, its just code. I think you are mixing that up with entrepreneurship.
A chef can make "art", but still working for someone else who "gets the credit and money". But they can create their own restaurant and make their food in their own shop.
Y'all just don't want to work for businesses, period.
you know, you had a $250k job! You can walk away after 2-4 years of working! you have enough money to walk away!
Taxes, rent. Bb freedom
@@Tay-ho6sg Bro, you have 250k, if you got your 100k saved up per year, it's gonna be like 400k after 4 year. You can walk away! but, there are so many who can't do that!
Well thats how it works you first work for someone else's dream and then start your own company and build your own no? You're in there for experience not to stay till death
Agreed I think most people should be actively looking for ways to start a business to replace their job. Even if it’s just little steps at a time.
so true, software engineer is construction work, i got into the field to build my own houses. Continuing to do side project to get out of the rat race. Well said
This video focuses more on employee dissatisfaction, making the title misleading by framing the issue as unique to software engineers. Software engineering actually opens more doors to entrepreneurship than many other fields, so I wouldn’t call it harsh.
Thank for this video Bgo! I'd probably just added that this might not be the only way how to escape the matrix. Entrepreneurship is a 3rd quadrant but only 2 or 3 out 10 make it enough to replace their previous five figures engineering & tech leads salaries. There is also a 4th quadrant - investor that can get you to financial security. And once your bills are covered from lets say dividend stocks you are bit more balanced in your software career as well. Merry Christmas devs :)
marx. alienation of labor. not unique to software engineers.
the problem is, not everyone is good enough , good enough in communication to be an Entrepreneur so for most beeing employee is fine
Can you share the sources of your statistics?
32 yo, constantly build side projects, hope to quit asap
If the people who ran the company i worked for in my 20's didn't turn into assholes of the first degree then I would still do that. Now im a technology generalist within a federal government and it's never been better. We get to challenge our self everyday and it's up to our self how far we develop. So we take things all the way because we can!
Right now I just want to find a job. The market is harsh to juniors
Me too 😂
I am 16 almost 17 actly and just started javascript. this video is scary as hell.
Do not worry just learn one programming language well and later you can have more merit opinion, since you will have clearer perspective, you are too young to worry
If you're only doing it for the money, find something else.
they are just whining kids. I love programming. Learning new stuff and decreasing money is nothing to fear about. The only thing to fear is how long it will take for AI to replace most of us. It's shit right now but it is just a matter of time.
fears of the unknown are understandable, but they can be managed. if you just focus on the next two small steps and don't think further it will be easy
@@kraldada6557 Wht r we gonna do, when AI replaces us? will all the 8hrs dailly be worth it, sometimes I wonder if shouldn't be partying too
Then people wake up when they realise the alternatives...
build something you are the owner of, is not that easy alone. especially you need a simple good idea .
As a creator, how to boost our creativity? I mean like how to find ideas to create something
Bro this is a great video, I am surprised you don't have more views. This is very motivating and I want to build something on my own and I am not even in IT.
Is this true for those who have passion for systems programming? I wouldn’t know how to make that a business
Lol not me getting a new job after turning 30 that's non-software dev when I worked as one from 25-30
A cog in the machine job has high salary because the value is created within that machine only. That sw job role has no (or very very low) value without the machine.
I am the 1 in 5. I love my job. But I'm more on the Cloud Architecture now. Moving to consulting and AI now as the juice is there, not hired for someone.
yeah right... I loved programming when I was a kid and I still love it. I don't understand why ppl want to quit. or that they are angry to build for someone else... it just shows they didn't try to do their own thing. I have tried and failed couple times. it's not about coding the products are about much more than that. I am happy to just do the coding I really don't enjoy the other stuff
@kraldada6557 totally. I also tried to start a business, failed, but thanks to that, it gave me my cloud computing skills as was the first demanding real-world experience. Now I work remote, have been in AWS events paid by my company, and met lots of people that will join me on a side quest once I start to go solo again.
Is any of this unique to software development? Even the analogy of building a house is something that literally happens to people who build houses
No, there's not much of a future for most of society.
Powerful video. You are so right.
whatever man.. you'll never be happy if you only think about money and power. a job is just a job, do it and shut up
Capitalism...
You are right. I wrote in a code in the company as employee and IT directors say if I was not an employee, I could have sold the system for 300million but I am earning 400 because I am in a developing country and that salary is the average.
While do agree, but it kind of sounds like a spoiled kid if you compare it to so many other jobs. But i did also quit a almost 300k salary as a software developer
for what?
@ for nothing. Needed tho think if i wanted to leave the whole tech behind. Its not what it used to be 15-20 years ago. Either im old and «everything used to be much better when i was young» or the whole industry is flooded with so much «overhead» that kills all passion and trust/freedom we used to have.
@@ErnaSolbergXXXLike debugging those damn pointers? XD
@@ErnaSolbergXXX what were were some specific things that killed your passion?
@ the «factory worker» setup where everyone is just a cog in the machine. All the company overhead (like the daily standups where everyone is speaking without saying anything) the total lack of trust in the people (the heavy code review practices). No connection to the users/customer so you have no idea what are the problems you are solving and if we actually solve them. Then its the broader things in the society where you became «the ultra rich» (im not living or working in the us) and the governments get a bigger cut of your salary than you get, while they hate you for it and do whatever they can to prevent it. Add all the regulations they’ve implemented makes the future look kind of bad when it comes to the right to own your own assets, keep your saving etc. all this just made it meaningless to earn the money when in the end it is not yours to keep.
totally agree
looking so sleepy
The video production quality is INSANE 🔥🔥🔥 I was hooked to every word you said.
is it really "insane" ?
Every software entrepreneurs and engineers will suffer. Ai is killing the industry. Anyone can create software using ai tools.
well anyone could do it before as well. Just learn it and do it. AI won't write the code for you you still need to go throught the whole process of understanding what you are doing. yes AI will help you but you still need to learn it yourself so .. Nope right now you cannot just tell AI to create a real world app, that's not gonna be possible for at least couple years.
@kraldada6557 bro but some tools like bolt and cursor is generating fully functional apps including crms
@@Soya8827 I don't know it still seems very limited for me. It can do whole apps but this kind of apps I can do in a day too. By real world app I mean something more complex.
Bro, you have words, expressions and very good presentation to the feeling, frustration of mid career crises of software-engineers. Thanks a lot 🫡