Maybe if you guys get a chance, why not do a mud test on a Krag Jørgensen carbine and a mud test on a Springfield trapdoor rifle, to see what it would have been like for the soldiers that carried these two types of rifles during the Spanish-American war We already know about the Winchester 1895 (but not many soldiers were armed with them) so I think it would be cool to see how both of these weapons would handle in the mud.
@I Twine the other day i found a sporterized krag at a pawn shop. Had stickers of ducks on it, and a springfield hunting stock stuffed on it. That to say, i dont think it will matter too much, given what fudds will do.
Just in case the comments do end up getting disabled, I just want to say I really appreciate you guys making these videos! I love watching them for entertainment purposes and for educational purposes!
Thanks for continuing the "what if?" lever gun series, please make a playlist for it so I can be sure I'm not missing anything! This is my favorite series of yours.
Love watching these mud tests, I was looking the other day for a mud test on the 1903 Springfield but saw you haven't done one. I hope to see you do one soon some day, thanks for all your efforts.
These tests are the best and are very entertaining. I think it could be cool to see how the beretta 92FS/M9 would fair. It has that huge open slide but it also has a reputation and track record of reliability.
Dismounted cavalry could fight in the rain! Thanks for explaining a great design and showcasing a fine modern reproduction. You guys do good work. Alas, I am a PayPal guy.
Isn't a Remington model 10 basically a more complex Ithaca 37? I'm mixed on if the 97 would do well, two open ports with a huge opening in the back plus an exposed firing pin striker like on a revolver sounds like bad news. The only saving grace I could think of is the bolt flinging mud away from the action, just to bring it in when it goes forward. Now I'm tempted to try this with my Norinco 97 but that thing is a bitch to take apart and clean.
im surprised you guys dont have a standard amount of remediation water for these tests, maybe a canteens worth as most soldiers thought most eras would carry on them and be able to apply to a weapon in the field if needed
To be fair, it was never meant to be scientific. There are so many variables that are uncontrolled in the "test" that it can really only be used as sort of preliminary examination.
This is awesome! Though my favorite InRange videos are things like the Underground Railroad series and the Old West Vignettes, a good old-fashioned mud test makes any Friday better.
I know it's just an Uberti but this kind of hits me right in the feels. I think it would be really interesting to see a side by side comparison of nitro and BP cartridges and compare POI at various ranges and document any reliability issues with BP (F2F from fouling, etc).
Also the Arisaka Type 38, it actually functioned well for a bolt action rifle with the few problems only solved by finger cleaning the locking lugs under the gas ports and realiable dist cover. The Emperor protects.
Of all these mud tests, this one hurts my heart the most. I understand the good and practical reasons for this, I just love a Winchester '94 .30-30 like a grandparent, and I can't help seeing my rifle while watching this video. Beyond that, seeing firearms treated this way, hurts my heart anyway.
Part of the reason they run better dirty than bolt actions is mechanical advantage. Cutting through grit with the added leverage of the lever and various cam points in the system makes for a much better design.
Well there is no close tolerance locking lugs and the bolt basically hangs free inside the lifter. So not that surprising. Got to love old time actions.
very cool. even though i am quite unlikely to ever own one of those, i am entirely certain i will watch every one of your mud test vids!!! (p.s. wheel burrow!!!:))
Not an expert here, but: To me this seems way closer to a pass than to a fail. Karl literally poured the mud into the gun on the last two attempts and still managed to keep it running with relatively little effort. Pretty amazing for such an old design that probably wasn't conceived with Inrange's mud-test in mind.. ;)
Would be interesting to see a mud test on later Winchester leverguns like the 1886/92 or the 1894. I'm curious to see how the Browning designs would stack up compared to the Henry designs.
Very gratifying, very thought provoking. There is an English website (which I’ll look up the address ) that narrates the report from the British Army test of the uh “Daddy” of the large action toggle system: the British Army trials rifle of 1868…their sand test involved BLOWING a stream of fine sand into the action for a minute…now that particular rifle did jam up so bad that the action lever was bent over from the force applied to free the action….Winchester might have benefitted from that 1868 test…however in the range test conducted before that, the rifle put a 5 round string not a 12” bull at 500 yards AND a 5 round string into a 3 foot bull at 800 yards (.455 cartridge round)…the Brits liked the Winchester best in the test and saw a future for it…..but ultimately went with the Martini Henry……Seems like the generals that had the most faith in the Winchester were the defenders of the Great Plains…. Maybe somebody noted this previously in this string… LOVE my 1876!!!
I believe Karl has said a lever action carbine in .357 mag would be a great home defense type gun in places where semi auto is restricted before, q&a I think, so I imagine they would consider a lever gun much more viable today than a bolt action, probably solidly obsolescent.
Interesting video guys and I agree that the receiver definitely took the mud well though I am interested in how it would run if the mud was introduced to a cocked hammer or open charging lever in case you guys end up doing this again.
Seconded, I really don't think it would handle ANY grit. The moment you open the bolt, the bolt's movement would drop the mud right into the magwell. Strangely, I think the K31 would do worse than the G11 or 96/11 pattern rifles.
I think an improvement to the test would be only "cleaning" it with water poured from a canteen. My idea behind this it was making it more of a field expedient cleaning
I don't necessarily mean this as a request for another mud test, but I wonder how the 1894 Marlin would do, because it seems to me that the side-ejecting bolt design is sealed in itself, no additional dust cover needed. But on the other hand, there's a small hole by the "king's gate". Would be interesting to see how big of an impact these two nuances would have.
I can see why the top brass in Armies didn't want the soldiers to have such a high rate of fire. Most soldiers didn't have the training to have much in the way of fire discipline which would mean ammunition would be used up much quicker than a single loader. You have to get the ammunition from where it is able to be made to the "front lines" and that is a much longer supply line than food is. You can't just shoot an animal to get more bullets like you can with food when out in the field. Logistics is very important and not often thought about.
The lack of wheelbarrow clearly nullifies this test.
lol, snort
I laughed harder than I should have at this
Maybe if you guys get a chance, why not do a mud test on a Krag Jørgensen carbine and a mud test on a Springfield trapdoor rifle, to see what it would have been like for the soldiers that carried these two types of rifles during the Spanish-American war
We already know about the Winchester 1895 (but not many soldiers were armed with them) so I think it would be cool to see how both of these weapons would handle in the mud.
Plenty of bubba fucked ones that arent really salvable
@I Twine the other day i found a sporterized krag at a pawn shop.
Had stickers of ducks on it, and a springfield hunting stock stuffed on it.
That to say, i dont think it will matter too much, given what fudds will do.
Owning a trapdoor I don't think mud would mess it up at all
It you feel confident maybe send it to ian and Carl to text it for all of us.
Test not text,damn autocorrect
Pretty sure Ian is speaking through a Stormtrooper helmet.
Why are you shooting lefthanded?
Is ian slowly corrupting you?
This made my stomach hurt to watch. That poor rifle took it like a champ.
When he left the dust cover open ugh. that hurt.
Well thankfully a reproduction
I think they were hurting too having to potentially ruin a fine model of a rifle
Just a Uberti repro though, so I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
One shake. Everybody knows the rules
Two shakes and you're-
wait no!
Shake it once, that's fine.
Shake it twice, that's okay.
Shake it three times, your just playing with it. ;)
Mr. Dmitri Ravenoff I’d rather have someone think I’m beating my dick than get piss in my underwear.
@@NvrchFotia Facts
I did not expect her to function when you mudded it with the cover open. Truly surprising results.
Just in case the comments do end up getting disabled, I just want to say I really appreciate you guys making these videos! I love watching them for entertainment purposes and for educational purposes!
Thanks for continuing the "what if?" lever gun series, please make a playlist for it so I can be sure I'm not missing anything! This is my favorite series of yours.
When can we see a mud test of Ian’s Chauchat?
Let see if it handle a slight wind before mud
That is too precious to do. Not many people in the U.S. I think still have them
sharkfinbite not only that, but the Chauchat is infamous for it’s unreliability, and you can figure out this is meant to be a joke
LMBO
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We need more Old West Vignette
Love watching these mud tests, I was looking the other day for a mud test on the 1903 Springfield but saw you haven't done one. I hope to see you do one soon some day, thanks for all your efforts.
2:06 "I can't believe I'm doing this either..."
Universal motto for all of these tests, but especially true for those beautiful lever-guns.
Great job guys. Of all your mud tests that on hurt the most
Love these mud tests. People usually get so salty when their favorite rifle gets the good old InRange mud test.
How long did it take to clean it out after the mud test
I've been yearning for another mud test, so seeing this uploaded is a wonderful sight. Great content as always Karl and Ian.
These tests are the best and are very entertaining. I think it could be cool to see how the beretta 92FS/M9 would fair.
It has that huge open slide but it also has a reputation and track record of reliability.
My eyes lit up and I squealed with joy at the sight of a new mud test
I would love to see a mud test of the FN P90 because it's so unique.
Have they done any direct blowback actions before? I can't recall any. Would the PS90 present any special risks due to the bullpup layout?
@@FluffRat I'm not sure, and because of its super unique magazine feeding design I am super curious as to how it would hold up.
And they have to do some spoof of Star Gate.
I'm very impressed by the function. I want one! Or 3! You both do very informative and insightful tutorials... Great work fellas!
That was a very brutal test, but it come out looking pretty good, i’m glad you’re doing it not me
IDK why but the little "ok" from Ian @ 4:16 makes me chuckle
I’m deeply saddened by the lack of wheel barrow in this video. That was the most reliable thing in the series.
Dismounted cavalry could fight in the rain! Thanks for explaining a great design and showcasing a fine modern reproduction. You guys do good work. Alas, I am a PayPal guy.
cheers guys- love your channel- both you guys are really down to earth and i learn a ton alongside watching your videos...from germany.
I think a pump-action shotgun would be interesting. 870 vs 500 vs 37 maybe?
Hell, do the whole run of the popular shotguns, 97 and 12 as well.
@@lunarpking I didn't even think of those. Maybe a Remington 10? The '97 would be a real interesting one.
Isn't a Remington model 10 basically a more complex Ithaca 37?
I'm mixed on if the 97 would do well, two open ports with a huge opening in the back plus an exposed firing pin striker like on a revolver sounds like bad news. The only saving grace I could think of is the bolt flinging mud away from the action, just to bring it in when it goes forward. Now I'm tempted to try this with my Norinco 97 but that thing is a bitch to take apart and clean.
When he was cycling the action at the end there that was my thought too: how do the shotguns handle ye olde Arizonian muck?
Ethan Johnson I have a feeling they would do poorly but I’d love to see it
Why no wheel barrow? Disappointed
I am curious I think it makes it easier to got at the mud and one less thing to clean
zach sorenson WE NEED THE WHEEL BARREL
GunFun ZS happy? I fixed it
@@GunFunZS it's funny because it's true!
im surprised you guys dont have a standard amount of remediation water for these tests, maybe a canteens worth as most soldiers thought most eras would carry on them and be able to apply to a weapon in the field if needed
To be fair, it was never meant to be scientific. There are so many variables that are uncontrolled in the "test" that it can really only be used as sort of preliminary examination.
I agree a canteen should be used for remedial water application as every soldiers has one.
When out of water a soldier could pee on the gun. Hey if it cleans the gun out why not...
Standard amount is the bucket. It should be 4l if im not mistaken
This is awesome! Though my favorite InRange videos are things like the Underground Railroad series and the Old West Vignettes, a good old-fashioned mud test makes any Friday better.
This is impressive!
Keep creating videos for this kind of content!
I know it's just an Uberti but this kind of hits me right in the feels. I think it would be really interesting to see a side by side comparison of nitro and BP cartridges and compare POI at various ranges and document any reliability issues with BP (F2F from fouling, etc).
Absolutely loved this video , I love most all firearms but the old lever actions are by far my favorites.
Love the embroidered smocks!
Firearms for MUDBATTLE 2000:
1) 1876 Winchest
2) Luger Pistol
3) AR-15
You forgot Winchester 1895
Also the Arisaka Type 38, it actually functioned well for a bolt action rifle with the few problems only solved by finger cleaning the locking lugs under the gas ports and realiable dist cover. The Emperor protects.
This guy is doing the brave work. Getting expensive replicas dirty so we don’t have to on a test that none of us would.
It would be really interesting to see some pump action shot guns go through this test. Like the 870 and 590A-1 for example to see how they hold up.
" - I think we've got some mud in there..
- Yup.."
Ian and Karl, 2019
A manual dust cover is standard with most guns that have a cover. The M-16 has a manual dust cover.
I don't care if it's overkill we need the huge frickin wheelbarrow of mud.
The Austrian shovel company must be a sponsor because it always gets an honorable mention in every mud test.
Very nice video you guys. Love the mud tests.
That really is a bad ass gun! I had a Henry, that I had to sell during the housing collapse. I've missed it ever since!
Watching the mud poured on I was filled with sadness.
When he poured that mud in there, a little tear ran down my face
It truly hurts to see you guys do these tests
It's important to note despite enduring every single mud test video, Ian and Karl haven't malfunctioned a single time.
i would like to see a video of the cleaning of thees guns after the test to see what the mud did get to
Damn that's awesome I didn't expect for it to do so well
How did I miss this mud test? I even clicked the bell icon before and it still got pushed out of my feed at the time
Perhaps there could be a mud test with a straight pull in the future?
Thanks guys! I'd say this design isn't as bad as some would want to believe. Good test :)
Of all these mud tests, this one hurts my heart the most. I understand the good and practical reasons for this, I just love a Winchester '94 .30-30 like a grandparent, and I can't help seeing my rifle while watching this video. Beyond that, seeing firearms treated this way, hurts my heart anyway.
It certainly helps that you understand the action.
How about mud test a Vetterli? A bolt action with King’s gate and cartridge lifters.
Lever guns are the best guns
That dust cover functionality is exactly like an AR!
Excellent video gentlemen.
You know you're an important guy when the gun Jesus is your cameraman.
Part of the reason they run better dirty than bolt actions is mechanical advantage. Cutting through grit with the added leverage of the lever and various cam points in the system makes for a much better design.
Well there is no close tolerance locking lugs and the bolt basically hangs free inside the lifter. So not that surprising. Got to love old time actions.
I carried a 30-30 in my saddle scabbard while riding fences when I was younger and found it every bit as reliable as my M-16/M-4.
Leaver guns seem to be winning the day so far.
I think a Galil Ace would be a good test, to see if the changes they made are actually helpful
very cool. even though i am quite unlikely to ever own one of those, i am entirely certain i will watch every one of your mud test vids!!! (p.s. wheel burrow!!!:))
This was painful to watch. Such a beautiful rifle.
Amazed at how lever actions are holding up to mud, now I wonder how a 1894 and 95 would survive
It strikes me as humorous that he would state " BLACK POWDER IS A PAIN " when he is about to immerse that fine rifle in MUD !
That was pretty damn impressive.
I'm really surprised you guys haven't done a winchester 1897 mud test
wow that was pretty impressive for an 1876 design
Not an expert here, but: To me this seems way closer to a pass than to a fail. Karl literally poured the mud into the gun on the last two attempts and still managed to keep it running with relatively little effort. Pretty amazing for such an old design that probably wasn't conceived with Inrange's mud-test in mind.. ;)
I am proud to also have contributed to this gun. I hope you enjoy it as much as i do enjoy your videos!
Would be interesting to see a mud test on later Winchester leverguns like the 1886/92 or the 1894. I'm curious to see how the Browning designs would stack up compared to the Henry designs.
Very gratifying, very thought provoking.
There is an English website (which I’ll look up the address ) that narrates the report from the British Army test of the uh “Daddy” of the large action toggle system: the British Army trials rifle of 1868…their sand test involved BLOWING a stream of fine sand into the action for a minute…now that particular rifle did jam up so bad that the action lever was bent over from the force applied to free the action….Winchester might have benefitted from that 1868 test…however in the range test conducted before that, the rifle put a 5 round string not a 12” bull at 500 yards AND a 5 round string into a 3 foot bull at 800 yards (.455 cartridge round)…the Brits liked the Winchester best in the test and saw a future for it…..but ultimately went with the Martini Henry……Seems like the generals that had the most faith in the Winchester were the defenders of the Great Plains….
Maybe somebody noted this previously in this string…
LOVE my 1876!!!
Not a valid test without the proper official InrangeTV scientific wheelbarrow! Do it again!
MUD TEST A AR15 WITH A CHARGING HANDLE ON THE SIDE
"ASKING FOR A FRIEND LOL"
Great video guys! Quick question that you guys may, or may have not discussed; is a lever gun less or just as obsolete than a bolt action rifle?
I believe Karl has said a lever action carbine in .357 mag would be a great home defense type gun in places where semi auto is restricted before, q&a I think, so I imagine they would consider a lever gun much more viable today than a bolt action, probably solidly obsolescent.
When compared to modern semi autos like the AR15 yes they're just as obsolete. This is coming from a lever gun fanboy.
Admirable
Would have been nice if you guys could have gotten one of the 1876 muskets, which is what they would have gone with for the infantry.
Ian has 2 Chauchats. Science must be done!
Interesting video guys and I agree that the receiver definitely took the mud well though I am interested in how it would run if the mud was introduced to a cocked hammer or open charging lever in case you guys end up doing this again.
I have never heard of a 45-60. I guess, there is always more to learn.
Mud test with a Schmidt Rubin?
It's gonna jam instantly.
Seconded, I really don't think it would handle ANY grit. The moment you open the bolt, the bolt's movement would drop the mud right into the magwell. Strangely, I think the K31 would do worse than the G11 or 96/11 pattern rifles.
I think a K31 would jam faster than a G1911 or K11, which is why I'd like to see the test.
These episodes hurt me on the inside sometimes.
Very impressive
I think an improvement to the test would be only "cleaning" it with water poured from a canteen. My idea behind this it was making it more of a field expedient cleaning
Steve McQueen rocked one of these in "Tom Horn"
Karl seemed genuinely nervous to mud this gun. Its so beautiful I can't blame him
"Because it's a giant pain in the ass" is kind of the mantra I avoid things by, lol
I don't necessarily mean this as a request for another mud test, but I wonder how the 1894 Marlin would do, because it seems to me that the side-ejecting bolt design is sealed in itself, no additional dust cover needed. But on the other hand, there's a small hole by the "king's gate". Would be interesting to see how big of an impact these two nuances would have.
What I learned from this video: if you get mud in your lever action, add water and mix with pinky or index.
I can see why the top brass in Armies didn't want the soldiers to have such a high rate of fire. Most soldiers didn't have the training to have much in the way of fire discipline which would mean ammunition would be used up much quicker than a single loader. You have to get the ammunition from where it is able to be made to the "front lines" and that is a much longer supply line than food is. You can't just shoot an animal to get more bullets like you can with food when out in the field. Logistics is very important and not often thought about.
Ok, so Ian is on the phone? And now Karl is left handed? Good mud test for sure! thanks
awesome rifle
Impressive. Most Impressive.
My vote would be this over the trapdoor anyday of the week
Pump action shotgun next?
Can you do a video series lever action mud test including the 1894 lever action Marlin