He Was Given a Coaching DEATH SENTENCE (The Rise & Fall of Derek Mason)
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- Vanderbilt football was coming off its best years in school history when Derek Mason took over and because of the programs tradition, he was basically given a coaching death sentence and was destined to fail. We will talk about the Derek Mason era and why it failed, enjoy!
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What coach should i do next?
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Kevin Sumlin when he was at Texas A&M and Arizona
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You should do a downfall of the Texas Tech football program. It hasn't been the same since Mike Leach was fired. It didn't workout with Kliff Kingsbury, and now the new hire is even worse. Matt Wells is a horrible head coach.
What James Franklin did at Vanderbilt was an absolute miracle.
Of course it’s not because James Franklin is a good coach. I mean since he’s black the team wins in spite of him.
@Bruh I Need a Name I'm at a loss for words here.
@Jay Sebring systemic racism exists in every facet of society.
@@DemocratsUnite People like you are responsible for it
@@DemocratsUnite Derek mason is black…
They are probably interviewing top level assistants at the middle school level thats the best talent they can Attract
Vandy will be stuck in this position for life. They have insanely high requirements for incoming students compared to the rest of the SEC. They cant even exactly grab juco or portal kids for this reason. Stanford and ND take all the brains that are athletes. So you probably can impress those 2 and 3 stars with the facilities cause they are bigger and nicer than high schools. They're stuck in a loop where investing in the program wont yield dividends so why put in more effort? They're the Cincinnati Bengals of the NCAA
Bingo. Football isn't the mission. Can't grease through 60 football players (which at minimum is what you'll need to truly have a competitive power 5 program) Every power 5 needs an academic gem to boost up the Ole Miss and Mississippi States of the world.
Yup can’t even get a one star male football kicker from high school.
High requirements are good.
@@mrambassador114 Agreed. But high when your school has a 10% acceptance rate, you'll struggle to field a competitive football team consistently. Stanford is the cream of the crop, when it comes to elite academic institutions, who excel at football. And they accept about 5%. But they value football. Vandy doesn't.
@@WillieBabyXXI I understand that a school, regardless of it's academic standards, want to win in their sports culture. I was only making the point that they should keep their standards up. You mentioned Stanford. If Stanford can win with their academic standards, Vanderbilt can too. It comes down to coaching and recruiting.
It’s obvious that the administration liked Mason. For as long he was there with the record he had, it’s clear they wanted him to figure it out. But the lack of SEC talent was too much to overcome.
Coach Mason is a great coach and man. The interview with him after a TSU player broke his neck shows Mason's character.
Vanderbilt is school for doctors not football players they have always had a bad team
They say the same thing about northwestern......
But they are good every now and then....... and northwestern is way better than vanderbuilt
I’m Tennessee fan we are supposed to play Vanderbilt next week I herd all there players quit since mason got fired and playing a girl
Arkansas exceeded expectations and aren’t pretending to be something they aren’t
Have you herd a lot of football players trying to speak that is a lot of them they can’t make sentences sec big ten all of them what I’m saying is Vanderbilt is for very educated kids that cares more for there education than playing football
@Jerry Creasy
Northwestern is in Chicago with even more going in than Nashville. NFL, MLB x2, NHL, NBA, AHL, MLS, G-league, lots of minor league baseball, both rugby league and union, etc.
They are very similar, but northwestern (at football) seems to be good every so often. They are easily the smallest school in the big ten (14) also, the only private school in the group.
I’m just saying, you’d think, or I’d expect that they (Vanderbilt) would be ok from time to time, by accident if nothing else
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Vanderbilt should be playing teams like North Western Central Southern Wyoming State not the best teams in college football
Bruh totally agree they should switch to a conference like the Sun belt, Conference USA, or the American Conference. they would do well in
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@@kenyatta4rmdabeach745 I agree, they should be playing teams like Tulsa and temple instead of Alabama and switch to another easier conference so they can get their fans and recruiting up
@ P P - Wouldn't they be prohibitive underdogs to the N.W.C.S.W. State Hound Dogs ( my own revered alma mater ) ?
It’s old school rivalries.
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Unless you’re a fan of like one of six top teams being a fan of a college team trying to go all the way is a pipe dream in this day and age
To be fair as a Gator fan we’ve had two down seasons the last 8 years. It makes it better when you see your team get better recruits and bigger wins.
They say that every decade. I mean new teams make contention for a title all the time. Look at Clemson, not that they were unheard of or anything, but they definitely were far from a championship. Look at them now. Just wait a while and I promise you new teams will be in the talks.
Would it still be possible to get a vid on Jim McElwain
I would love to eventually
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As a Florida fan please god no
He wasn't "given"..., Mason accepted an opportunity.
Vanderbilt needs to have on campus kicker tryouts.
hahah yup
I see what you did there.
Florida did that one year
Vanderbilt cares more about being “WOKE” then Winning Games.... Coach Mason is a Good Man and I wish him the best!! And he did BEAT the Vols
They probably knew that if the media was praising Sarah Fuller for her "stunning bravery" then people wouldn't notice that they just fired a black head coach.
Nashville has become a "Woke" place.🤔
No they don't. They care more about attracting "smart" students than winning games. They were getting their asses kicked long before "being woke" was even a thing. Vanderbilt is what happens when you put an academic-first school in a football-first conference.
"then" is a word used to refer to the past. I think the word you were looking for is "than"
@@Gravy494 that’s exactly why we need to become an independent, join a Go5, or just cut football all together
Will muschamp is looking for a job 😂
second tier losing programs should just form one big new conference togather
@j a - They have already done that.It is called the PAC 12. . . . .
the whole sarah fuller thing was such a publicity stunt
Sarah Fuller was a smoke screen. The had the only minority head FB coach in the SEC. They waited until the students left. The social media crowd did not notice.
Thank you for the video.
As a Vandy fan we just can’t recruit well enough to compete in the SEC. What makes recruiting harder is having to compete with in-state schools like Tennessee and Memphis where a lot of the solid in state 3 star goes. The academic restrictions don’t help either. Also having to compete with Low level big ten schools for recruits because we can’t compete with any Sec school or ACC for that matter. We’re better of cutting our football program because it’s not like they make any money or join a Go5 or the Ivy League for football.
The academic requirements are a huge issue as to why it's difficult to win at Vanderbilt and even at schools like Northwestern and Stanford show it's really hard to maintain a dominant football program. Even in their best years neither Northwestern or Stanford had/have a bunch of explosive players, they might have a few but they mostly win on the lines and playing smart disciplined football. The other part that makes it hard, and we've seen this throughout the years at Northwestern and Stanford, is once injuries start to hit the programs suffer and not only that if they miss on recruits it has a much bigger effect than other programs. All programs, Ohio State and Alabama included, will have highly ranked recruits who for whatever reason aren't good but they generally have enough depth to make up for their misses, along with some injuries, Stanford and Northwestern don't have those luxuries. They can handle a few injuries but not many and they can have a recruit miss but not many.
That's what makes Vanderbilt so tough, football is not the main focus, they're in arguably the toughest conference year in and year out, they have no room for missing on recruits combined with injuries, so it's always going to be incredibly tough to win there with any consistency. Hiring a defensive coordinator isn't an issue, Nick Saban at Alabama kind of proves you can be a defensive minded head coach and win, but getting a guy who is a good coach, has a good staff, and most importantly identify and recruit 2 to 3 star gems that are overlooked is key. They won't win 10 games every year but a good coach can probably have a 10 win season here, 9 win season, 6-7 record then a down year or two, then back to an 7 or 8 win season. That's probably the best they can hope for.
Vandy should be forced out of the SEC. They should be playing teams like Eastern Kentucky School of Welding and Cosmetology.
"A Defensive Coordinator is not gonna get the job done."
Vandy: "Oh yea, let me introduce you to Clark Lea, Notre Dame Defensive Coordinator😤."
He really got the job done this year😂
It would be nice to see some videos about Louisiana Raging Cajuns players/coaches!
After Vanderbilt’s loss to East Tennessee State, it’s gonna be a long rebuild for Clark Lea.
Vandy admin could care less about their football program and it’s been like that for decades, obviously. Their stadium is from the 19th century. Every game is an away game for them.
I will never understand why everyone expects Vandy to be competent in athletics.. if they have a good season(s), take it for what it is. An outlier.
Vanderbilt is a baseball college
If Urban Meyer thinks he’s so hot , here you go ....
Urban Meyer could turn 0-9 vandy to at least 3-6, goats are goats for a reason
Vandy isn't a football school.
Vandy isn't a baseball school.
Vandy is a Doctor school and they are very good at it!
Hey, if you do NOT win, then you will be FIRED ! The problem is that there is an "interesting" list of D-l football jobs that get offered to black men, and ,once fired, they usually do NOT get to be head coaches again.
Dude your 1000%correct we suck and not much else to say. Great video!!! Your spot on everything the truth hurts but being a lifelong Vandy fan it's just another fall for us
i hope the best for you guys - mizzou fan
Has anyone here actually met a Vanderbilt fan?
I’m the only Vandy fan I know😂
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Beating Tennessee in recent years isn't much to brag about either...
Michigan just fired Don Brown and they now need a DC.
I hope Auburn hires him at defensive coordinator or Will Muschamp.
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They should drop football and continue concentrating on education.
I wonder why the SEC tolerates Vanderbilt as a member? The program is the definition of a doormat.
Academic reputation
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Vanderbilt just shouldn't even bother with football. They are not committing anything to it. The SEC requires a total commitment. At the very least Vanderbilt should leave the SEC and go play in an easy conference.
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We will take him at Alabama. Vanderbilt is a small school that's about total academic success. They should play in the Ivy League. No doubt, the would have many rings.
Franklin made Vanderbilt competitive in the SEC so it wasn’t like Mason walked into an impossible situation. I actually think Mason is a good coach, but to say he was given an impossible situation let’s him off the hook for his own failures.
Lmfao what. Bro some coaches have ways to make programs better but when that coach leaves it all goes back to hell. Vanderbilt is the same as coaching at Kansas. He’s a great defensive Coordinator
They can try hiring a black lesbian, maybe that will fix everything
😹If it doesn’t happen at Vandy, it’ll happen at some other program
I actually want to see it lol
It’s time for Vandy to be demoted to lower conference. Who should the SEC replace them with? Do a video on conference alignments.
He got millions for this so called "death sentence". He knew he was getting into. I think Mason is a great guy and a decent coach, but no one put a gun to his head to coach there. I've seen some of these videos where these people are treated like a victims, and yet they have millions of dollars. I'll be a victim for that much money
I am not sure what vandy does with that SEC television check - it has the worst football facilities in the power 5 and that right there automatically puts you at a disadvantage - high academic requirements for student athletes can be worked with as long as there’s good facilities and backing from the administration(look at northwestern) - James Franklin hit lighting in the bottle with a weaker SEC East at the time and skipped town - I say they should have grabbed a good triple option coach who can do more with less and that can develop players
The SEC should trade Vanderbilt
For Memphis but the AAC probably wouldn't want to🤣🤣🤣🤣
the one thing i don't believe you touched on is that Vanderbilt is a medical school. It is not an excuse but it is hard to recruit 5 star athletes there.
They really don't belong in the SEC. But I think secretly the SEC coaches, especially the lower tier teams, like having them there because it's a guaranteed conference win every year.
Boo hoo. Mason took the job, and he failed. Franklin was the last coach in the last 30 years that generated any buzz in the program. He got the University to actually expand their sports complex, as best they could.
They can't expand any further without paying a ransom's worth for property around the campus these days. Shame on Vandy for that.
When Franklin realized he couldn't do anything more, he leapt to a better job.
Vandy has sucked, and will always suck. At this point, it's strictly size, recruiting, and terrible coaches.
Pat Hill of Fresno State
I still think he is one of the best defensive coaches. OU could really use him as a DC
Haha and now he’s at OSU. But u got venables so you’ll be ok from a defensive end.
7 years isn’t a death sentence if you are replacing some one who had success there to begin with and 7 years using by any means a short leash that’s ridiculous
You should do a rise of Brian Kelly
Honestly I just think it’s the administration that does not care for the program. Like you said it’s a baseball school and that sucks cause if you put the money and time in Vandy could be ok actually
They didn't almost beat Texas A&M, they couldn't have because the offense never got the ball past the 50 unless the Aggie offense fumbled it away there.
Well, once he gets fired, you know who I nominate for a video. My profile picture should sell it.
Vandy shouldn't be in the SEC.
They shouldn’t even be in the sec. we should trade them out for a stronger team like Clemson, maybe FSU, or ufc
He was given the keys to a dead program
We need to hire Jeff Monken and run the triple option!
I think that could work
I agree
Especially cause they finally got some talent in the backfield. Remahn Davis transfer
Don’t even try and touch Jeff, he’s too precious 😂
not in the sec triple option is outdated and shouldnt be used every play
If they dont want to update facilities,no one in their right mind would take the job.
If he does well as a DC again then he will get another FBS HC job. Hopefully he chooses wiser and takes a job that can win in their conference like a Colorado State or Troy. Then maybe from there he can get a legit Power 5 school.
Vanderbilt is not I the Big 10 or Pac 12. They are in the SEC. They are the smallest school in the SEC, A private school, hard to get into school academically.
I thought he got hired by the Detroit Lions.
I am sure he didn't mind cashing the checks
Vandy, Rutgers and Kansas. They all fall into the same category. Football is just never going to happen for those universities. Why would good high school football players ever want to go to those places? Those types of schools can literally destroy a coach's career
Check out 2023 Kansas football
Keshawn Vaughn was a great player at Vandy. Cunningham as well.
Cunningham almost single handily beat UGA that year. One of the best games I’ve ever seen from a LB.
Vandy is the Georgia Tech of the SEC
Georgia Tech played in the SEC in the past. lol
when i saw this on my for you page i thought it meant that he was given a death sentence meaning he would be killed
You are what your record says you are. Great guy lucked into a great Stanford defense got a job at a bum school. He a millionaire now so he wins!!
Vandy and kansas should play to see who the worst power 5 is
Not sure who wins that
@@ScottFisherCFB kansas will probably win that game for all we know
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You should check out Scotty Walden. Young coach who just took over at Austin Peay.
I played for Coach Franklin and Coach Mason. Both great coaches for different reasons. Mason at Vandy was a lose lose from the beginning. He’ll bounce back.
Anchor Down
College football is a coaches game. Candy won 8-9 games a year under previous coach
He needs to be The DC at Michigan
I would love this.
I think there's a good chance that if Harbaugh is still around after this year then he will be. Don Brown is gonna get his walking papers, and Harbaugh already knows and trusts Mason
Its not just that they are a baseball school they are a strictly academic school my cousin wanted to go to Vanderbilt and they told him his 3.6 wasn't high enough so he took the scholarship to miss st as a tight end
Seems Vandy would be a great spot for a country music loving player, but seems recruiting has not been good enough to get them over the hump....why not Les Miles?
i literally thought he got the death sentence.
Can you do the rise and fall of Kevin Sumlin
Sumlin recruited Kyler Murray and Kyle Allen at A& M, but they would both leave and do much better elsewhere.
@@antoniusjohnson3824 he also recruited Myles Garrett, Deashon Hall, Amari Watts
I remember a big push by many fans to hire Mike Leach.
Not gonna lie this whole time i thought that he was the wr that played in the NFL for the titans and ravens
Well it looks like we haven't learned our lesson, we are hiring another defensive coordinator as head coach.
The Sara fuller kick was a squib
Asking why Derek Mason failed to achieve success at Vanderbilt is like asking why chickens dont thrive at KFC...failure is just built in to that program
When you recruit a kid at a SEC school you sell them on a professional football career. When you recruit a kid to Vanderbilt you sell them on a professional career other than football.
Clark Lea is a Winner and will do an outstanding job at Vandy..
This didn't age well.
He was GIVEN a coaching death sentence??? Bullsh_t, the guy accepted the job and made enough money to live on the rest of his life> Why make him out to be a victim. He did a crappy job after Franklin turned the program around, he was stealing money, Dude
Sarah’s kick was a squib kick though. She wasn’t trying to kick it deep..... they should go triple option with the next coach, coach Jeff Monken from army would be my choice.
It's true. If Scott did his research about Sarah Fuller's kick, he would know that Derek Mason himself told her to do a squib kick. She's a goalie and it's possible she can do a kickoff like any other kicker. We just haven't seen to it yet.
What’s the point in Vandy having a football program? Maybe D3.
They need to hire someone that thinks outside the box. Hire someone like Paul Johnson for the triple option or someone like Mike Leach. The problem with Vandy is the academic restrictions and the administration has to be all in for building a program (facilities, stadium and so on). The rest of the SEC crushes them on that.
Soon you’ll be able to do the rise of Mizzou football. I guess part 2 because you already did one
I’m looking forward to it
There will 100% be a Drink/2020 Mizzou review video
I like you only because you dont talk crap about bama like the other sport channels like this
I also recommend doing a Aj Mccarron called the rise and fall since he played high school football near me
Hahah I’m glad. I don’t trash talk anyone. I try to be neutral and fair. Ill add that to my list!
Bama snowflakes LOL
is derek mason a bad recruiter bc he was at Vanderbilt with bad facilities and a historically bad team, or is he just a bad recruiter bc its not his strong suit?