The most difference you can have for any bikes, it's the weight loss. I'm weighing 175 lbs and my friend is 250 and so much difference on any of our bikes! Iit's free and good for the environment 😉
Dude, super grateful as this was super clarity to my 2017 pre-mod-wise! Thank you for all the individual details and nuances to each level and change (baffle in and out most esp), sharing this is extremely nice for the rest of us FZ owners!! Cheers! ; )
Got the Yoshimura R-77 as well, mainly because of the “baffle in no flash” statement lol. Baffle out is obnoxious. I do ride a 2018 FZ-09 and this video was the deciding factor.
Wow, super informative, I bet that was a cool experience like you said. I've been riding for 1 1/2 months and I picked up my 2017 FZ-09 last month, AMAZING first bike, all about self control and not being a idiot haha
You bought a 100+ hp bike for a starter bike? Dual sports are a nice place to start..on dirt. Statistically people who ride dirtbikes for a few years before streetbikes are much less likely to crash
I'm a new subscriber and very much enjoy your content. As a former FZ-09 and FJ-09 who now has had an FZ-10 since July your content is close to pushing me to get an 2017 FZ-09 as a second bike. Yours sounds simply glorious. Thanks for taking the time to put the videos up.
Wow, at start up w/out baffle, it sounds sooo good! Watching you ride made me want to get on my bike and GO... darn it, I'm enjoying a cocktail, so no-can-do. Yah, what Hubert said.😋
PC is 100% needed with a full exhaust and choppy throttle response like on the 2016 GSXS-1000. Yamaha spent a lot of time and money re flashing the FZ ECU on the newer 2017 model. Save a ton of money because a Slip on for sound is all you need!
Great Video and information! It's very helpful to get some solid data showing how much work Yamaha has put into the 2017+ ecu. Some of the theory is the baffle is allowing the lambda sensor to have a stable environment to adjust the fuel air mix more than the +/- 10% on previous years
Just getting into the scene of motorcycles and came across a few of your videos, due to me researching stuff about my bike ('18 MT-09), and I enjoyed the clear information and subtle metaphors in your explanations. I am a fairly new rider and am learning more and more about the motorcycle scene with videos such as yours. Came to say thank you with this along with the Like and Subscribe being hit. I don't do these things that much to other channels UNLESS they give me feedback like your content. KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK, Aloha
The bike is pre-owned and bought it from a dealer and the bike had a full Yoshi exhaust with no dB killer inserted. That's all I could tell for motor-wise. Other things like bar end, and aftermarket front/back blinkers were already installed, which would be the main buying points for me.
Im leaving my 19 alone exhaust wise. I put a pipe on my super charged seadoo and the drone is mind numbing. BTW love south florida especially sanibel island. I'm from gulf shores Alabama .
I dynoed my MT-09 as well. Full R-77 exhaust system and ECU flash. Stock was 114 hp and 59 ft lb at the rear wheel. With the exhaust (baffle in) and ECU tune it was 121 hp and 66 ft lb. It's a 2014 MT-09 so the difference in throttle smoothness is phenomenal compared to stock. The torque curve is smoother and more linear, no sudden drops or irregularities. That is what makes the most difference combined with the smooth throttle response. You don't really notice the extra power when riding it on the road. I suggest leaving the baffle in as it's already loud enough for public roads. Had to learn to use ear plugs with this exhaust! It seems to have a very deep tone at low revs which hurts your ears when you ride it in the city long enough.
Granted, it was not a DynoJet dyno. The tuner said it all depends on what dyno system you run and he doesn't like DynoJet and that it's different from his. It all depends on the conditions so each dyno pretty much gives different results. And of course every single bike is a little different, some might have 2 hp more or less than the next one. The mechanic has been working on Yamaha motorcycles for 20 years now. He engineered and created his own system, so he handcrafted the ECU flash for my MT-09 from start to finish.
Yeah, I don't really care about the numbers as I stated before. That's just what I got, I'm not an engineer. The big difference is the throttle response and the torque curve. But there are still bikes that have been measured way over what the factory promises, for example GSX-S1000. The guy who owns a channel called Fast FZ09 had measured something like 125-130 hp from his FZ-09 with R-77, ECU tune, Graves block off plates and an airbox mod. But again, I just wanted to get the best out of my MT-09 by tuning the ECU after installing the exhaust. And it totally fixed the throttle issue and overheating.
Either the dyno reads differently or other tuners have been able to get a good bit more. Usually 115 whp and 65 torque. Overall gains are much less critical than all the non-numeric improvements such as throttle behavior, injector cut, gear-based power restrictions, fan-on temp, air-fuel ratio improvements, ignition restriction improvements, TB butterflies behavior, speed limiters, PAIR valve/exhaust valve/O2 sensor disable, and other issues.
All dynos are different. Only way to see how your bike changes is to take it in stock to get a Dyno run, do your mods and take it back to see where it's at. Tbf figures mean very little. For me it's all about getting the fueling right.
That is plenty power for this type of bike, if you want more than you guys need to buy a liter bike. Thanks for posting this video. The older I get I cannot handle the baffle out on sport bikes, its just annoying on long trips.
Nice stuff man, I'm really close to you, I got Two brothers full exhaust on my gsxr600 and I put back my baffle because it was WAY too LOUD, I still need to Tune mine , Cool stuff keep it up 💪🏼
You almost solved it. It is the resonate frequency of your vibrating helmet - caused when the exhaust's pressure waves hit your helmet. I am pretty sure anyway. Tests with different helmets will likely be different if true. ..gone or at a different rpm. It sounds great to me! :)
Awesome video. I just got the 2017 mt 09 to. Will put on same exhaust after 600 miles break in. My tech also told me its a waste of time flashing the 2017. Cause the ecu will adjust it's selv after a couple of pulls...
Great channel, very informative and glad I subbed. Small question...did your aftermarket exhaust affect your fuel mapping or is the standard ECU able to cope?
So your saying if you have a 2017 you probably shouldn’t flash the ecu after installing a full system exhaust? Just got a 2017 fz09. Getting a exhaust installed next week.
Perfect vid and spare a lot of time ! thanks for sharing !! So for the Yoshi baffle in, no need to flash the ecu and still gain a bit of HP and a smoother thottle response. but what if it is another exhaust system or a slip on? we can t figured out the result unles doing a dyno test or riding with it i guess...?
So, I have a 19 MT09 and I want to put a full yoshi r77 exhaust on it. Do I need to get a flash if I plan on keeping the baffle in or do I need to either way? Thanks and great video!
I picked up a 2014 FZ09 recently and it has some full system with a skinny, short muffler. It's hardly a muffler at all. Loud. I picked up a stock system for the bike and it's MUCH nicer to ride. I felt a power loss for sure as the bike would always pull the front tire in first gear at WOT no matter what when it had the loud exhaust. With the stock exhaust I can go full throttle in first without wheelying sometimes.
Hey man, great video! I just got my ECU flashed by Dave as well. I have the exact same setup as you...Yoshi R77 on a 2017 FZ 09. How did you find your fuel economy? I found that my bike has become a pig on fuel! I used to get around 225Km before fuel indicator starts blinking. Now, I get around 170Km and I'm blinking. I'm usually running around my baffle in. What are your thoughts?
I know this bike would be horrible as a first bike (even at 290lbs at 4000+ ft altitude), but every time I hear one especially with the Yoshi pipe, I really want one.
Idividezero. If u can. Just get some more riding experience before u buy the FZ09. It was my first street bike and I luv it. Although I'm only, 5'5/165lb.
Hello. Did you notice a loss of any low-end power, or any flat spots in the torque curve at all, prior to the ECU flash? I have the same bike in black (2019), and really like this exhaust. Thanks for your time and videos. Your explanation afterwards regarding the value of the flash was very informative.
Talking about baffle-in or baffle-out setup. I just bought a used 2018 MT09 with a full Akrapovic exhaust and the previous owner said it was tuned by the dealer. I assume the tune was done without the battle. What I want to know is if i decide to run the bike on a long trip with the baffle-in would i have to re-tune or it doesn’t matter at all like the video stated? Knowing that it is a different brand exhaust and are all tune basically the same weather it is tune by A or B or Z tuning company??????????
hey i know u did a seat review but how did it feel after 6 hours of riding in one day? I hate this stock seat 40-50 miles and im toast. Also as far as the exhaust do you still hear the intake growl with the new exhaust? mine is stock and i love that intake sound when u get on it. I would think that the loud exhaust baffle in or out might take that away. Love your videos btw!!!
The intake sound is definitely overshadowed but you still have the same noises from the exhaust - non issue :) I can only say that 3 hours in the seat was flawless, at a time, with just one fuel break in the middle each time.
Hi! just a 2HP gain? Shouldn't be more?... Looking on the unlimited map for the 2017 fz09/mt09 I can see huge variations on the ETV, and FUEL vs. RPM. I'm talking about P/N:BS2-8591A-00 , did you flash based on this map, or it was tuned from stock map? good things besides the HP gain: AIS disabled, fan control e is better, default to A mode.
Wow! Very informative! Thanks for the great video! So basically, a ECU re-flash won't achieve as much power gain as 2013-2016 model? I have a 2017 Euro-spec MT-09 with Akarprovic Titanium full exhasust & K&N filter, wonder if it is worthy to invest in some piggyback system like Power Commander V or Rapidbike EVO. Would you mind sharing your insight on those system? By the way, what kind of fuel are you getting in USA? The only fuel available in my country is 98 RON.
Love the fz video's, bought a new 2017 fz09 a week ago and was thinking about getting an m4 slip on but was worried about the fueling being good. Sounds like it would be fine if i leave the baffle in. Thanks for posting these video's! I'll be interested in what tires you chose when its time for new ones.
I have a 2015 full Akra exhaust, the drone was crazy loud until I put the baffle in. yours pops a lot on deceleration. I don't get that, maybe it's the different years.
Just as I suspected. All looks and sound. Minimal insignificant power gains. Ill keep my stock system for now. Getting on the gas hard and not drawing attention, is how I like it!!
+Ratchie Leyvas I think you misunderstood. Yes the flash is minimal at 2hp but the exhaust alone was 10 even on a stock ecu. That's not minimal, that's almost a 10% gain.
TwoWheelObsession. Oh ok, I did miss that. I guess since Im only 5'5/165lbs. Its plenty fast for me. My upgrades went into the suspension. RaceTech fully adjustable fork kit and rear shock. Its a 2015
TWO: What do you weigh and did you tune your suspension? I'm 190 and had my suspension professionally tuned. I think the shock compression is a little to weak for my weight. Would love to hear your thoughts.
Very informative. Perhaps you mentioned it and I missed it, but what was the difference in torque going from OEM to full Yosh, then with ECU flashed? And did baffle in versus out affect torque?
G'day TwoWheelObsession. Subbed, great content keep up the good work. I hope your enjoying the new 2017 FZ/MT-09. I've got a 2016 FZ/MT-09 (Color: Gun metal gray.) Which I love & hate so..., I fitted it with a heap of upgrades; Ohlins FGR 300 Front shock, Ohlins STX 36 Hypersport Rear shock, (Carbon fiber: Rims, Handlebars, Front & Rear guards along with other bits and pieces.) Stage 3 Garret Turbo with a custom made Inter-cooler allowing me to gain a 9.5psi boost, DNA Air filter, Power Commander V with Power Commander Auto tune, Power Commander Quick shifter, Sigma Slipper clutch, Brembo M50 Front calipers, Brembo Axial Rear Billet 4x24 Caliper. With all the mods I've taken 15.8Kg's/34.83 Pounds off the bikes weight and gained 130hp giving me a total of 240hp from the 110hp stock. I love riding it around town & taking it into the city being that I live about an hours drive from Sydney & from time to time I either take it to the track or to the drags depending on how I feel, no matter what I do it's an awesome bike to ride and a wheelie monster at that, even in B mode it can start to be a handful but not to bad which I use for heavy traffic & filtering, but A Mode is a scream & smile mode, which I use most of the time & absolutely love.
DigItJim G'day mate, Holy shit! That's absolutely manic! Do you have to say a little prayer before you ride that beautiful monster of yours? I also have a 2016 MT 09, but I have the Race Blue (tank is in grey but rims and front shocks in blue). The only mod/extra I have is the MT09 Full Akrapovic Exhaust system which provides a really awesome sound. For me, my bike has enough power and speed to get the adrenaline flowing and put a smile on my face. Also, if I do any more mods, it will be to improve the safety elements, i.e. upgrade the suspension and brakes. But I must say, i really admire and I'm really impressed as to what you've done to your baby. It's like something out of a Mad Max movie. And if you have the skill to ride it hard(it seems that you do), then it must be better than sex. 😁 Stay safe.
Really great content here. Thanks for the video and details. To be clear, does this change the throttle response on a 2017? I test rode one and my body was falling forward and backward because it's so touchy. Does a tune smooth that out some or not so much?
sorry I keep commenting at different intervals of your video, not even sure you see these! what kind of helmet do you use? that Yoshi sounds phenomenal!
With the akra on my xsr900 titanium ..it's very loud without the baffle with no drone ... If I insert the baffle it's very quiet good to pass emissions test every year ..
Thanks for your videos, very detailed. I have just bought a 2017 mt09. As you say that drone noise is very weird, I am still running mine in at the moment but also looking around at exhausts. I was probably going for the akropovic although have a soft spot for the yoshimura systems. on their site they do not list a exhaust for them? thanks again
I know you didn't go through all this for two HP but that's a lot of time and probably money just for 2HP which I assume is why most people do it! It does look and sound awesome though and that's why you did it so.. good job! Ride safe!
Hi, have you any idea, where to pick up a good rpm signal for further processing? Or do you know where they picked up the signal for the dyno tune? Greetings
Agreed completely about not noticing horsepower gain or loss a a few digits. I have a civic si. That I flashed. It gained maybe 7 I think according to Dino stats. It wasn't worth it. Can't notice that. My question. Is. When would you notice? Say 15 hp? What is your opinion of noticeable gain or loss.
With this experience what would you recommend for a 2010 FJR? Mechanically mine is stock but I would love to have a lower rumbling exhaust note. Mine has plenty of HP and I don't think 2-4 HP increase would net much improvement.
#1 it would take a full exhaust and power commander and a dyno tune to change power. #2 there are a ton of slip ons available, you just have to go with what looks and sounds good to you.
F. Caputo yes I would think so, from my knowledge but I’m not a mechanic so but the general knowledge is to get it tuned if you are getting a full exhaust system
You mentioned the only time it would really be beneficial on a 2017 and up is if I have a full exhaust system because I will want to get rid of the lean mapping. Is it possible to take the lean spots out with a power commander and a tune? Not many people can tune through ecu, so it might be easier to use a power commander with a local tuner.
i have a question. here in europe we have the euro 4 and upcoming 5 regulations and some say they have to restrict the fueling to bring it in line of the euro 4 or 5 regulations on the mt 09's etc. if u reflash the ecu does it than loose the warranty on the bike completely? coz here it comes with like 5 years warranty. anything breaks down u get it replaced.
Thanks for all the valuable info. Your's is without a doubt, the best channel for the FZ/MT09. I have the 2016 model. Do you think that if I flash my ECU that it will bring valuable improvements?
The guy doing the dyno runs is hella jacked... In all seriousness though, does drone affect your hearing with ear plugs in? Does it cause damage, or is it something to not worry about?
TwoWheelObsession, would you reccomend getting a power commander and getting it fineòy tuned on a 2014 fz-09 even without an aftermarket exhaust? Just to improve the linearity and erogation?
Did u have any problems during the dyno? Jut dynoed mine Mt09-SP and it cuts off at 9000 RPM, We tryed turning of the TCS but didn't work. Hooked up the yamaha "box" to see any error codes cause the engine light turned on. Only found error code 58, which is the throttle controll. But any ideas why it cuts at 9000 Rpm? Is it cause we didn't remove the ABS sensor?
@@TwoWheelObsession Ah okay, no i didn't i don't even live in America :) Really frustrating to not know what to do, I mean the bike have been out for a while and i can't find anything with the same problem :/ Ty for answer ! And Gl with your MT09
I'm going to install the full akra (with baffle in) exhaust this weekend, that alone is a lot of work. I don't want to do ECU flash or AiS block off since the whole fuel tank removal and everything under seem complicated, plus mine is 2018 MT-09 still under warranty. Is it safe? 2nd question, if I decided to send ECU to David for reflash do I really have to do block off plate?
I have been away for a while. Do you still have the red 2014(?) FJR? Did you trade it for this FZ09? I have been looking at the new 18 MT09 & MT10. So you are loving the FZ09? Nice video...Subbed
@@TwoWheelObsession I realize this is 3 years ago but in the video you said if you run a full exhaust (lets say a Akra Carbon) and you keep the DB killer in.. then no need for reflash on 2017 and up correct?
Is it possible to get rid of the stupid top speed limit of 210km/h with a flash? It’s really annoying that the bike basically shuts off power if you reach 210 in 5. and 6. gear...
Re the exhaust ECU flash tune: I am confused. I've just purchased a 2017 MT 09 (Australia) and an Akrapovic Carbon, which is not yet installed. I assumed that I would have to get the ECU flashed to match the Akra, but your video seems to imply that the ECU would have handled the Yoshi without flashing. Only the AIS plates are rquired. Correct? Related question: Mr B's Brain Dump video shows how to change the mixture on a 2016 model with an Akra using the dash menu. Is this applicable to the 2017 FZ09? Did you investigate this possiblity before getting it dyno'ed? (PS. Keep up the great work - it's much appreciated!)
+Don Dempsey ais is completely personal preference blocked or not. Leave the baffle in and your stock Ecu works just fine. The dash change isn't even in the same ballpark as a full tune/flash which does all throttle positions loads and gears. But again, only needed as far as the engine goes is you run baffle out.
Thanks for your super quick response. A dyno tune costs about $400 here. I gather that the fueling can programmed into the ECU without a $500 Power Commander or Bazzaz unit (which wasnt the case on my old GSXR). In the meantime I'm searching for a chart for the Akrapovic Carbon fuelling so that I compare it against the standard MT09. I'll then decide whether its worth the money/trouble to send the ECU for a map, or to just fiddle with the dash settings. Thanks again!
You don't need a dyno tune. I had it done because my bike was the first in the world done with the software so they could create the new maps top sell to everyone else. All you have to spend is a couple hundred to have your ECU flashed, nothing else.
TWO - but you said in the video that you are still glad you did the flash (baffle in or out) due to the air/fuel ratio being too lean and to get it into a "safe rich range." Therefore, wouldn't the ECU flash (or other tune) be needed, regardless with a full system?
im thinking of adding a slip-on. to bring up the sound. i find the sound will alert those in four wheelers that im on the road. its a safety issue up here in the nyc area. my question is will i need a flashing should i add a slip-on. by the way good vid
I have a problem and i need help. I recently bought a 2018 MT09 with a full carbon akrapovic exhaust system on the bike. There are two previous owner before me. The second owner which is the previous owner i bought the bike from said that the bike was installed and tuned by the dealership that the original first owner bought it from. I don’t trust the knowledge of the second owner about the history of the bike. But the bike look brand new around 2000 miles on the odometer when i bought it. My problem is when i was riding the bike and sitting in a stop light and the bike is idling when i give it a little rev from stand still on neutral. The bike would stall from a stand still neutral geared position. The engine would just shut off. The engine would stall from neutral gear and idle about 2 times out of 10 tries (it dose not stall everytime in that situation but only 2/10). I do not know if the dealer even installed the full exhaust and tuned it. I think someone is lying. i think the original owner which is the first owner bought and installed the full akrapovic exhaust without having it tuned but i am just speculating. What should i do? Is it just a tuning problem or could it be something else or much more worse? And the bike already has 2000 miles when i bought it and i guess it was running in that state. Your help would be appreciated. Thanks
The info you provide on your channel is priceless, you deserve more subs. Keep up the great work!
+Hubert Baron thanks!
I agree!
Cant agree more
The most difference you can have for any bikes, it's the weight loss. I'm weighing 175 lbs and my friend is 250 and so much difference on any of our bikes! Iit's free and good for the environment 😉
Sounds much better with the baffle in..so much smoother sounds and more crispy
Dude, super grateful as this was super clarity to my 2017 pre-mod-wise! Thank you for all the individual details and nuances to each level and change (baffle in and out most esp), sharing this is extremely nice for the rest of us FZ owners!! Cheers! ; )
Thank you so much for all the informative videos that you've put up. I am getting a new fz 09 soon and your video totally clears my doubt. 👍
agree man. The guy made such an informative video, much respect
Got the Yoshimura R-77 as well, mainly because of the “baffle in no flash” statement lol. Baffle out is obnoxious. I do ride a 2018 FZ-09 and this video was the deciding factor.
Wow, super informative, I bet that was a cool experience like you said. I've been riding for 1 1/2 months and I picked up my 2017 FZ-09 last month, AMAZING first bike, all about self control and not being a idiot haha
You bought a 100+ hp bike for a starter bike? Dual sports are a nice place to start..on dirt. Statistically people who ride dirtbikes for a few years before streetbikes are much less likely to crash
I'm a new subscriber and very much enjoy your content. As a former FZ-09 and FJ-09 who now has had an FZ-10 since July your content is close to pushing me to get an 2017 FZ-09 as a second bike. Yours sounds simply glorious. Thanks for taking the time to put the videos up.
Super helpful. You've left no questions unanswered. Thanks so much!
Wow, at start up w/out baffle, it sounds sooo good! Watching you ride made me want to get on my bike and GO... darn it, I'm enjoying a cocktail, so no-can-do. Yah, what Hubert said.😋
ijust got my full exhhaust from black widow and did need to remap of flash sound great and is about half price fully recomended
PC is 100% needed with a full exhaust and choppy throttle response like on the 2016 GSXS-1000. Yamaha spent a lot of time and money re flashing the FZ ECU on the newer 2017 model. Save a ton of money because a Slip on for sound is all you need!
Great Video and information! It's very helpful to get some solid data showing how much work Yamaha has put into the 2017+ ecu. Some of the theory is the baffle is allowing the lambda sensor to have a stable environment to adjust the fuel air mix more than the +/- 10% on previous years
Haha even up here in Canada, I recognize David Verdecchia. All hail Vcyclenut! 👌
I get exactly the same continues droning noise, but it's only when the girlfriend is on the back.
Lol
😂😂😂 I like that..
Best review I have seen thanks for the honesty
Just getting into the scene of motorcycles and came across a few of your videos, due to me researching stuff about my bike ('18 MT-09), and I enjoyed the clear information and subtle metaphors in your explanations. I am a fairly new rider and am learning more and more about the motorcycle scene with videos such as yours. Came to say thank you with this along with the Like and Subscribe being hit. I don't do these things that much to other channels UNLESS they give me feedback like your content. KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK, Aloha
The bike is pre-owned and bought it from a dealer and the bike had a full Yoshi exhaust with no dB killer inserted. That's all I could tell for motor-wise. Other things like bar end, and aftermarket front/back blinkers were already installed, which would be the main buying points for me.
Im leaving my 19 alone exhaust wise. I put a pipe on my super charged seadoo and the drone is mind numbing. BTW love south florida especially sanibel island. I'm from gulf shores Alabama .
David is a true pro! My bike is a fire breathing dragon thanks to him!
I dynoed my MT-09 as well. Full R-77 exhaust system and ECU flash. Stock was 114 hp and 59 ft lb at the rear wheel. With the exhaust (baffle in) and ECU tune it was 121 hp and 66 ft lb. It's a 2014 MT-09 so the difference in throttle smoothness is phenomenal compared to stock. The torque curve is smoother and more linear, no sudden drops or irregularities. That is what makes the most difference combined with the smooth throttle response. You don't really notice the extra power when riding it on the road. I suggest leaving the baffle in as it's already loud enough for public roads. Had to learn to use ear plugs with this exhaust! It seems to have a very deep tone at low revs which hurts your ears when you ride it in the city long enough.
+Ta3kno gotta love those ‘magic’ dynos ;)
Granted, it was not a DynoJet dyno. The tuner said it all depends on what dyno system you run and he doesn't like DynoJet and that it's different from his. It all depends on the conditions so each dyno pretty much gives different results. And of course every single bike is a little different, some might have 2 hp more or less than the next one.
The mechanic has been working on Yamaha motorcycles for 20 years now. He engineered and created his own system, so he handcrafted the ECU flash for my MT-09 from start to finish.
+Ta3kno lol it’s only rated 115 at the crank from the factory...
+Ta3kno and I guarantee he flashed with woolich or ftu like everyone else. Don’t believe the bs.
Yeah, I don't really care about the numbers as I stated before. That's just what I got, I'm not an engineer. The big difference is the throttle response and the torque curve. But there are still bikes that have been measured way over what the factory promises, for example GSX-S1000. The guy who owns a channel called Fast FZ09 had measured something like 125-130 hp from his FZ-09 with R-77, ECU tune, Graves block off plates and an airbox mod. But again, I just wanted to get the best out of my MT-09 by tuning the ECU after installing the exhaust. And it totally fixed the throttle issue and overheating.
Either the dyno reads differently or other tuners have been able to get a good bit more. Usually 115 whp and 65 torque. Overall gains are much less critical than all the non-numeric improvements such as throttle behavior, injector cut, gear-based power restrictions, fan-on temp, air-fuel ratio improvements, ignition restriction improvements, TB butterflies behavior, speed limiters, PAIR valve/exhaust valve/O2 sensor disable, and other issues.
All dynos are different. Only way to see how your bike changes is to take it in stock to get a Dyno run, do your mods and take it back to see where it's at. Tbf figures mean very little. For me it's all about getting the fueling right.
Pretty much
Thank you for putting the results in the description. Liked and subbed just for that.
That is plenty power for this type of bike, if you want more than you guys need to buy a liter bike. Thanks for posting this video. The older I get I cannot handle the baffle out on sport bikes, its just annoying on long trips.
so true, my 2014 dynojet job on my Fast -zone 09 made it a brand new bike, a must for that model. 💝🎯with my full exhaust system.
Nice stuff man, I'm really close to you, I got Two brothers full exhaust on my gsxr600 and I put back my baffle because it was WAY too LOUD, I still need to Tune mine , Cool stuff keep it up 💪🏼
That Snap,crackle ,Pop sounds amazing tho💯👌
You almost solved it. It is the resonate frequency of your vibrating helmet - caused when the exhaust's pressure waves hit your helmet. I am pretty sure anyway. Tests with different helmets will likely be different if true. ..gone or at a different rpm. It sounds great to me! :)
Ah, no. It's clear just standing next to it. I heard it for hours on the Dyno too.
Awesome video. I just got the 2017 mt 09 to. Will put on same exhaust after 600 miles break in. My tech also told me its a waste of time flashing the 2017. Cause the ecu will adjust it's selv after a couple of pulls...
+Kenneth Jensen your tech is a moron.
Gibberish
Great channel, very informative and glad I subbed. Small question...did your aftermarket exhaust affect your fuel mapping or is the standard ECU able to cope?
OK, it sounds great with the baffle in as well. 👍🏼
Hooligan !!! That bike is a blast to ride it seems. Have fun.
The Akrapovic full exhaust system with the the baffle and cat in is the way to go. 115 whp @ 10’800 rpm.
So your saying if you have a 2017 you probably shouldn’t flash the ecu after installing a full system exhaust? Just got a 2017 fz09. Getting a exhaust installed next week.
Can u get it tuned to make those crackles and pops everytime you let off the throttle
Great video. Trying to find time to head down to David to have my PCV removed and Flash done. Heading down from Clearwater Beach.
Perfect vid and spare a lot of time ! thanks for sharing !! So for the Yoshi baffle in, no need to flash the ecu and still gain a bit of HP and a smoother thottle response. but what if it is another exhaust system or a slip on? we can t figured out the result unles doing a dyno test or riding with it i guess...?
Wow thanks! I have a 2014 and yeah, the fuel delivery is not very good but I'm used to it now. Guess I'll spend my money on gear and suspension
Well that was really helpful, very nice and clear. Thank you.
Really appreciate the clarity
So, I have a 19 MT09 and I want to put a full yoshi r77 exhaust on it. Do I need to get a flash if I plan on keeping the baffle in or do I need to either way? Thanks and great video!
Hey man did you find an answer? I am in a similar place with my bike
I picked up a 2014 FZ09 recently and it has some full system with a skinny, short muffler. It's hardly a muffler at all. Loud. I picked up a stock system for the bike and it's MUCH nicer to ride. I felt a power loss for sure as the bike would always pull the front tire in first gear at WOT no matter what when it had the loud exhaust. With the stock exhaust I can go full throttle in first without wheelying sometimes.
Yeah it’s the twin cats that soak the power
Oh man, I was like "this guy...where do I know him from?" Then I remembered, my favorite cigar channel - cigarobsession. Great content.
Hey man, great video! I just got my ECU flashed by Dave as well. I have the exact same setup as you...Yoshi R77 on a 2017 FZ 09. How did you find your fuel economy? I found that my bike has become a pig on fuel! I used to get around 225Km before fuel indicator starts blinking. Now, I get around 170Km and I'm blinking. I'm usually running around my baffle in. What are your thoughts?
No change here, I get 45 MPG with a heavy hand.
I know this bike would be horrible as a first bike (even at 290lbs at 4000+ ft altitude), but every time I hear one especially with the Yoshi pipe, I really want one.
Idividezero. If u can. Just get some more riding experience before u buy the FZ09. It was my first street bike and I luv it. Although I'm only, 5'5/165lb.
+Idividezero it's all about self control. I started on a new FJR and believe me it's more of a handful ;)
Brian, I'm wondering which is the quicker bike between the FZ09 and FJR?
0-30 the FZ from there it's not even a contest.
Hello. Did you notice a loss of any low-end power, or any flat spots in the torque curve at all, prior to the ECU flash? I have the same bike in black (2019), and really like this exhaust. Thanks for your time and videos. Your explanation afterwards regarding the value of the flash was very informative.
Talking about baffle-in or baffle-out setup. I just bought a used 2018 MT09 with a full Akrapovic exhaust and the previous owner said it was tuned by the dealer. I assume the tune was done without the battle. What I want to know is if i decide to run the bike on a long trip with the baffle-in would i have to re-tune or it doesn’t matter at all like the video stated? Knowing that it is a different brand exhaust and are all tune basically the same weather it is tune by A or B or Z tuning company??????????
So you are saying the Yamaha doesn't have an aggressive fuel cut at low rpm?
Not for 17+ at least. I ran it on and off, hardly any difference.
Great videos by the way. Thank you very much for your content. Subscribed.
hey i know u did a seat review but how did it feel after 6 hours of riding in one day? I hate this stock seat 40-50 miles and im toast. Also as far as the exhaust do you still hear the intake growl with the new exhaust? mine is stock and i love that intake sound when u get on it. I would think that the loud exhaust baffle in or out might take that away. Love your videos btw!!!
The intake sound is definitely overshadowed but you still have the same noises from the exhaust - non issue :) I can only say that 3 hours in the seat was flawless, at a time, with just one fuel break in the middle each time.
Hi! just a 2HP gain? Shouldn't be more?...
Looking on the unlimited map for the 2017 fz09/mt09 I can see huge variations on the ETV, and FUEL vs. RPM. I'm talking about P/N:BS2-8591A-00 , did you flash based on this map, or it was tuned from stock map?
good things besides the HP gain: AIS disabled, fan control e is better, default to A mode.
The ftecu website is not updated/accurate. The 2017 has completely different options. As I went though in the video.
Wow! Very informative! Thanks for the great video!
So basically, a ECU re-flash won't achieve as much power gain as 2013-2016 model?
I have a 2017 Euro-spec MT-09 with Akarprovic Titanium full exhasust & K&N filter, wonder if it is worthy to invest in some piggyback system like Power Commander V or Rapidbike EVO. Would you mind sharing your insight on those system?
By the way, what kind of fuel are you getting in USA? The only fuel available in my country is 98 RON.
Love the fz video's, bought a new 2017 fz09 a week ago and was thinking about getting an m4 slip on but was worried about the fueling being good. Sounds like it would be fine if i leave the baffle in. Thanks for posting these video's! I'll be interested in what tires you chose when its time for new ones.
I have a set of Road 5 waiting in the garage
I have a 2015 full Akra exhaust, the drone was crazy loud until I put the baffle in. yours pops a lot on deceleration. I don't get that, maybe it's the different years.
Good video, I will get that same exhaust for my 17 FJ-09. Probably pass on the tune. I would always use the baffle
So on the 2017 model, I can run a full exhaust without any flashing at all as long as I keep the baffle in? Correct?
ART R not, not a full exhaust. Not unless your okay with potentially shorter engine life from overheating
You dont have to flash you just need a power commander 5, and have a mechanic tune it with a computer. You dont need to put it on a dyno machine.
Jonathon Hittel do we still need a flash if the bike got “tuned”?
Just as I suspected. All looks and sound. Minimal insignificant power gains. Ill keep my stock system for now. Getting on the gas hard and not drawing attention, is how I like it!!
+Ratchie Leyvas I think you misunderstood. Yes the flash is minimal at 2hp but the exhaust alone was 10 even on a stock ecu. That's not minimal, that's almost a 10% gain.
TwoWheelObsession. Oh ok, I did miss that. I guess since Im only 5'5/165lbs. Its plenty fast for me. My upgrades went into the suspension. RaceTech fully adjustable fork kit and rear shock. Its a 2015
+Ratchie Leyvas luckily the 2017 suspension is very upgraded stock now
TWO: What do you weigh and did you tune your suspension? I'm 190 and had my suspension professionally tuned. I think the shock compression is a little to weak for my weight. Would love to hear your thoughts.
+justaordinaryguy 250 and yes, see my full how to from a few weeks ago.
All that time and money for a couple horsepower and lots of noise? Stock exhausts are great these days.
Very informative. Perhaps you mentioned it and I missed it, but what was the difference in torque going from OEM to full Yosh, then with ECU flashed? And did baffle in versus out affect torque?
Only 1-2 lbs./ft. for both.
G'day TwoWheelObsession.
Subbed, great content keep up the good work.
I hope your enjoying the new 2017 FZ/MT-09. I've got a 2016 FZ/MT-09 (Color: Gun metal gray.) Which I love & hate so..., I fitted it with a heap of upgrades; Ohlins FGR 300 Front shock, Ohlins STX 36 Hypersport Rear shock, (Carbon fiber: Rims, Handlebars, Front & Rear guards along with other bits and pieces.) Stage 3 Garret Turbo with a custom made Inter-cooler allowing me to gain a 9.5psi boost, DNA Air filter, Power Commander V with Power Commander Auto tune, Power Commander Quick shifter, Sigma Slipper clutch, Brembo M50 Front calipers, Brembo Axial Rear Billet 4x24 Caliper.
With all the mods I've taken 15.8Kg's/34.83 Pounds off the bikes weight and gained 130hp giving me a total of 240hp from the 110hp stock. I love riding it around town & taking it into the city being that I live about an hours drive from Sydney & from time to time I either take it to the track or to the drags depending on how I feel, no matter what I do it's an awesome bike to ride and a wheelie monster at that, even in B mode it can start to be a handful but not to bad which I use for heavy traffic & filtering, but A Mode is a scream & smile mode, which I use most of the time & absolutely love.
+DigItJim awesome project! If we had a close track I would also have a wild ride!
Thank you for the reply. I think you would love a wild ride, if you ever made it over to Aus I'll hook you up for a ride on mine. ;-)
DigItJim G'day mate,
Holy shit! That's absolutely manic! Do you have to say a little prayer before you ride that beautiful monster of yours?
I also have a 2016 MT 09, but I have the Race Blue (tank is in grey but rims and front shocks in blue). The only mod/extra I have is the MT09 Full Akrapovic Exhaust system which provides a really awesome sound. For me, my bike has enough power and speed to get the adrenaline flowing and put a smile on my face. Also, if I do any more mods, it will be to improve the safety elements, i.e. upgrade the suspension and brakes. But I must say, i really admire and I'm really impressed as to what you've done to your baby. It's like something out of a Mad Max movie. And if you have the skill to ride it hard(it seems that you do), then it must be better than sex. 😁 Stay safe.
DigItJim Jesus man! Can you post a video of something explaining your mods??!!
Really great content here. Thanks for the video and details. To be clear, does this change the throttle response on a 2017? I test rode one and my body was falling forward and backward because it's so touchy. Does a tune smooth that out some or not so much?
That's completely up to how you order it, it can be flashed to your specifications
Interesting. Good to know. Thank you
sorry I keep commenting at different intervals of your video, not even sure you see these!
what kind of helmet do you use?
that Yoshi sounds phenomenal!
+SecondSquared rf1200
Hi, which software did you use for the Tuning? Thanks.
which ecu did u use ? can you recommend for me a ecu for the termignoni full system ? thanks dear
i realy want to add this exhaust on my fz-09 2017 , if i keep the baffle in do a realy need to flash and dyno tune it ?
With the akra on my xsr900 titanium ..it's very loud without the baffle with no drone ... If I insert the baffle it's very quiet good to pass emissions test every year ..
So if id get a full exhaustsystem for example the street legal acra system with the baffle in and a catalyst in a flash wouldnt be necessary?
Did you find an answer to this??
Are you running on close loop or did they leave the o2 sensor ?
I have fz09 2017, but i dont know what is generation ecu is there. How can i recognize it? Do i need or not flash ecu?
did you have the ECU flashed before going to the dyno ? or did they flash and tune the bike while you were there?
and so your suggesting there's no point to flash.. just getting it tuned if you get a full system.
Do you know if the earlier FZ's (13-16) put out more HP than the 17' with the ECU flashed and a full aftermarket exhaust ?
No. Same engines.
Thanks for your videos, very detailed. I have just bought a 2017 mt09. As you say that drone noise is very weird, I am still running mine in at the moment but also looking around at exhausts. I was probably going for the akropovic although have a soft spot for the yoshimura systems. on their site they do not list a exhaust for them? thanks again
+vinnychoff it's the R77. I got it from revzilla
I know you didn't go through all this for two HP but that's a lot of time and probably money just for 2HP which I assume is why most people do it! It does look and sound awesome though and that's why you did it so.. good job! Ride safe!
+Norman De George you misread. 10 hp
TwoWheelObsession oops, sorry😬
TwoWheelObsession your video is worded extremely poorly with the dyno sheets that’s why so many people were confused in this comment thread.
Hi, have you any idea, where to pick up a good rpm signal for further processing?
Or do you know where they picked up the signal for the dyno tune?
Greetings
It was one of the ecu wires at the harness
Agreed completely about not noticing horsepower gain or loss a a few digits. I have a civic si. That I flashed. It gained maybe 7 I think according to Dino stats. It wasn't worth it. Can't notice that. My question. Is. When would you notice? Say 15 hp? What is your opinion of noticeable gain or loss.
+kelly j I think 10% is a realistic value on the butt dyno ;)
With this experience what would you recommend for a 2010 FJR? Mechanically mine is stock but I would love to have a lower rumbling exhaust note. Mine has plenty of HP and I don't think 2-4 HP increase would net much improvement.
#1 it would take a full exhaust and power commander and a dyno tune to change power. #2 there are a ton of slip ons available, you just have to go with what looks and sounds good to you.
good morning friend where is fortmyers located I have a Mt-07 I would like to tune it
Love your videos! Keep it up.
Do i must flash ecu with baffle in?
Thanks man! Appreciate the detail.
So, if you put any type of full exhaust system on the MT09 do you have to replace or do an ECU flash?
F. Caputo yes I would think so, from my knowledge but I’m not a mechanic so but the general knowledge is to get it tuned if you are getting a full exhaust system
You mentioned the only time it would really be beneficial on a 2017 and up is if I have a full exhaust system because I will want to get rid of the lean mapping. Is it possible to take the lean spots out with a power commander and a tune? Not many people can tune through ecu, so it might be easier to use a power commander with a local tuner.
Yep
how about the xsr900? do you think they fixed the bugs as well?
i have a question. here in europe we have the euro 4 and upcoming 5 regulations and some say they have to restrict the fueling to bring it in line of the euro 4 or 5 regulations on the mt 09's etc. if u reflash the ecu does it than loose the warranty on the bike completely? coz here it comes with like 5 years warranty. anything breaks down u get it replaced.
Sorry I have no idea about your laws
In Europe you’ll probably go to jail for doing that. It’s the home of Euro 4.
Thanks for all the valuable info. Your's is without a doubt, the best channel for the FZ/MT09. I have the 2016 model. Do you think that if I flash my ECU that it will bring valuable improvements?
100%
Strange that you mention drone, I have the same full yoshi system on my 17 fz09 with mo baffle and I experience no drone
Thanks for the info. Love the channel!!!
The guy doing the dyno runs is hella jacked...
In all seriousness though, does drone affect your hearing with ear plugs in? Does it cause damage, or is it something to not worry about?
It's volume+duration that does damage. With my ear plugs in it certainly limits it, but I would not want it there over time.
do you know if the drone issue applies with Graves as well on this bike? Thank you.
+YellowHoRRnet no idea but there’s no reason to think another model would be the same.
TwoWheelObsession, would you reccomend getting a power commander and getting it fineòy tuned on a 2014 fz-09 even without an aftermarket exhaust? Just to improve the linearity and erogation?
No. Get the ecu flashed.
Thanks, where do you suggest to get a decent mapping? I'm not that sure about official yamaha's workshops...
Did u have any problems during the dyno? Jut dynoed mine Mt09-SP and it cuts off at 9000 RPM, We tryed turning of the TCS but didn't work. Hooked up the yamaha "box" to see any error codes cause the engine light turned on. Only found error code 58, which is the throttle controll. But any ideas why it cuts at 9000 Rpm? Is it cause we didn't remove the ABS sensor?
No, sorry. I'm assuming you didn't go to Dave. He did have to do some things but I don't remember what. He knows what he's doing.
@@TwoWheelObsession Ah okay, no i didn't i don't even live in America :) Really frustrating to not know what to do, I mean the bike have been out for a while and i can't find anything with the same problem :/ Ty for answer ! And Gl with your MT09
Your dyno guy just isn't familiar with it.
I'm going to install the full akra (with baffle in) exhaust this weekend, that alone is a lot of work. I don't want to do ECU flash or AiS block off since the whole fuel tank removal and everything under seem complicated, plus mine is 2018 MT-09 still under warranty. Is it safe? 2nd question, if I decided to send ECU to David for reflash do I really have to do block off plate?
Did you find an answer? Im in a similar spot with my 2019!!
Best advice I can give is to write V cycle nut. He will answer your questions correctly.
What kind of oil are you running? Thanks
I have been away for a while. Do you still have the red 2014(?) FJR? Did you trade it for this FZ09? I have been looking at the new 18 MT09 & MT10. So you are loving the FZ09? Nice video...Subbed
I have both and love them
Thanks for the video. So full exhaust you recommend a flash so she won't run lean. Would you recommend for just a slip on?
+MotoMorton nothing is needed for slipons
Thanks for the reply, really appreciate the DIY videos.
@@TwoWheelObsession I realize this is 3 years ago but in the video you said if you run a full exhaust (lets say a Akra Carbon) and you keep the DB killer in.. then no need for reflash on 2017 and up correct?
Is it possible to get rid of the stupid top speed limit of 210km/h with a flash? It’s really annoying that the bike basically shuts off power if you reach 210 in 5. and 6. gear...
Yes
Re the exhaust ECU flash tune: I am confused. I've just purchased a 2017 MT 09 (Australia) and an Akrapovic Carbon, which is not yet installed. I assumed that I would have to get the ECU flashed to match the Akra, but your video seems to imply that the ECU would have handled the Yoshi without flashing. Only the AIS plates are rquired. Correct?
Related question: Mr B's Brain Dump video shows how to change the mixture on a 2016 model with an Akra using the dash menu. Is this applicable to the 2017 FZ09? Did you investigate this possiblity before getting it dyno'ed?
(PS. Keep up the great work - it's much appreciated!)
+Don Dempsey ais is completely personal preference blocked or not. Leave the baffle in and your stock Ecu works just fine. The dash change isn't even in the same ballpark as a full tune/flash which does all throttle positions loads and gears. But again, only needed as far as the engine goes is you run baffle out.
Thanks for your super quick response. A dyno tune costs about $400 here. I gather that the fueling can programmed into the ECU without a $500 Power Commander or Bazzaz unit (which wasnt the case on my old GSXR). In the meantime I'm searching for a chart for the Akrapovic Carbon fuelling so that I compare it against the standard MT09. I'll then decide whether its worth the money/trouble to send the ECU for a map, or to just fiddle with the dash settings. Thanks again!
You don't need a dyno tune. I had it done because my bike was the first in the world done with the software so they could create the new maps top sell to everyone else. All you have to spend is a couple hundred to have your ECU flashed, nothing else.
TWO - but you said in the video that you are still glad you did the flash (baffle in or out) due to the air/fuel ratio being too lean and to get it into a "safe rich range." Therefore, wouldn't the ECU flash (or other tune) be needed, regardless with a full system?
+Chitown BikerBoy: Motovlog no, I'm glad because now I can switch back and forth when I want to.
Do you still own this bike I have a 16 xsr900 and I am thinking about the yoshimura exhaust, sound it's really good
Yep
Hi you say you lost 3 bhp with the baffle in? Through the whole rev range or just top end?
Just peak
That’s good. I have the akrapovic titanium and it is supper loud with no baffle. Can’t handle it no more. Have to order one
im thinking of adding a slip-on. to bring up the sound. i find the sound will alert those in four wheelers that im on the road. its a safety issue up here in the nyc area. my question is will i need a flashing should i add a slip-on. by the way good vid
No
What jacket is that you're wearing? I have an alpinestars but it's still too hot, I need more mesh. Thanks
+Jeffrey Murillo joe rocket. See my review vid on it
Thanks.
I am planning on getting my XSR900 flashed by Vcyclenut as well.
I have a problem and i need help. I recently bought a 2018 MT09 with a full carbon akrapovic exhaust system on the bike. There are two previous owner before me. The second owner which is the previous owner i bought the bike from said that the bike was installed and tuned by the dealership that the original first owner bought it from. I don’t trust the knowledge of the second owner about the history of the bike. But the bike look brand new around 2000 miles on the odometer when i bought it. My problem is when i was riding the bike and sitting in a stop light and the bike is idling when i give it a little rev from stand still on neutral. The bike would stall from a stand still neutral geared position. The engine would just shut off. The engine would stall from neutral gear and idle about 2 times out of 10 tries (it dose not stall everytime in that situation but only 2/10). I do not know if the dealer even installed the full exhaust and tuned it. I think someone is lying. i think the original owner which is the first owner bought and installed the full akrapovic exhaust without having it tuned but i am just speculating. What should i do? Is it just a tuning problem or could it be something else or much more worse? And the bike already has 2000 miles when i bought it and i guess it was running in that state. Your help would be appreciated. Thanks
I had the same problem! Never figured it out.. unfortunately I totaled my bike on the weekend