I will forever be a Daytona Prototype apologist. Mainly because I remember first tuning into SPEED Channel back in 2004-2005ish and always seeing the GrandAM series racing. That was the first time I watched any other racing series besides than NASCAR or Drag Racing. Those are fond childhood memories of mine ❤
@markzebr6463 oh FOR SURE I have!! Been going to a race every year at Mid-Ohio since 2016, (The last two years I've managed to go to the IMSA, IndyCar, and NASCAR weekends at Mid-Ohio. Sadly IMSA didnt return this year) I've been to the Rolex 24 twice (2017,2023). I've also been to VIR to catch IMSA out there as well.
Hey, You missed these parts in how they influenced pop culture!: -In EA Nascar 2005 Chase for the cup, DPs are playable cars -In Japan a Riley MK. XI Chassis DP named the *Mooncraft Shinden 16* was powered by a Toyota 1UZ, was ran in the GT300 category in Super GT. (Should I mention it once wore Neon Evangelion colors?!) -DPs were playable cars featured in Iracing -Forza 6 & 7 featured the Corvette DP and the Ford-Riley DP -Chip Ganassi's number "01" from their Telmex/Target DP Lexus era have become references amongst Lexus branded GT cars, like racing number choices. -Also The red and blue liveries of the Chip Ganassi Telmex/Target DPs may have been the influence to the Ford GT's WEC/ACO/IMSA liveries
The Daytona prototype is just beautiful! And I still love driving the Riley in iRacing even if it’s a legacy car these days, so no more official events.. I love their simplicity!
Interestingly, the "01" is actually reference to the chassis that Chip Ganassi Racing ran in their debut season: #001 And speaking of Lexus, here's a funny and ironic connection: Chassis #001 (one of many Lexus entries in 2004) was last ran in 2010 by Aim Autosport, who in turn many years later teamed up with Jimmy Vasser and Danny Sullivan to field two Lexus RC F GT3 cars.
I was starting to think "well, they are not THAT ugly I'm kinda getting used to them after the initial shock..." and then you showed the ALMS cars. Yeah, it was THAT bad. At least I kinda like the later prototypes, especially the Corvette. Awesome video about an underlooked era in racing I didn't know much about.
Which of the alms cars do you dislike? All cars are different and I really like them these days after making fun of them back in the day. That’s what nostalgia does to me..
As a Daytona native who's been an IMSA fan since the 80's I remember the announcement of the DP and being hopeful for a return to the IMSA GTP days, I was too young to understand it all so thanks for making this vid to show me what this class was really all about. Good times!
I have to admit, I spent many a Saturday or Sunday watching the DP’s run. And each year they got better and better. I remember a lot of great names, and exciting races! Multimatic, Picchio, Felix Sabates, the Red Dragon!! Good times. The ALMS was my favorite, but Grand Am had a good product!
23:35 You forgot and possibly misinterpreted another crucial detail: -The LMP2s were running the European LMP2 rulebooks and specs of their timeframe, which for gross summary allowed them to be ~2090lbs and have restrictions in body size, and have production-based engines restricted to ~530-450hp.... Lmp2s have no restriction on how their monocoque chassis can be made, and they can shape the car however they wish as long as dimensions are obeyed.... In Summary LMP2s were weaksauce closed fendered "2-seat" F1 cars Imsa was going to allow the old DPs to race as equals with the Euro-rulebook LMP2s in USA. How were Tubeframe-over-Fiberglass racecars going to compete with lightweight-high downforce, carbon-monocoque low-powered weak formula cars? -IMSA unrestricted the DPs aero restrictions as long as the cockpits remain intact. -The tire sizes the DPs used increased to the LMP sizes. But this is the crucial detail of DP dominance even if restricted weight (2,200 lbs for DPs 2090 for P2s) nor aero advantage was there: *POWER* 2014 DPs were pushing ~700hp where P2s could run ~550hp! The Corvette DP was using an N/A 5.5L LS engine which was fat-cammed to believably push ~650-700hp The Ford DPs were using the 3.5L Twin-Turbo Duratec-Ecoboost V6 that may have pushed ~650hp Overall the DPs murdered the weaksauce LMPs in being too powerful and outrunning them in every straightaway. Also the LMPs in question were often wearing their high-downforce aero in high speed tracks like Daytona 24, where horsepower and acceleration will make or break you. In a weird way the cheaper metal tubeframe cars were faster, and more slippery than the carbon-chassis LMPs.
The Daytona prototypes from 03 to 2011 were eyesores, 2012 to 2016 they at least resembled the prototypes we all know and of course 2017 brought us DPI and here we are now with the GTP class
Great video!!!!!! I loved racing these DP on the old game GRID!!! And watching them on tv, I love them!!!!! Thanks for the revisit of the race cars!!!!!!!!
I have very fond memories from the Brumos vs Ganassi Rolex 24, it was one of the first races I watched and the TV broadcast in my country was awesome. I didn’t mind the car’s aesthetics at the time. I was always entertained until the DP + LMP2 era. The exit of the Muscle Milk car left a sour taste to me, as it was my favorite team since the ALMS era. Their Lola Aston Martin and their HPD LMP1s were some of the best looking cars racing at that time. But nevertheless, I had a very great time watching the DPs compete 😄
Well that's what happens when small-dicked NAZICAB owners over-regulate truly fast cars to make it look like their turd of a car was worth a damn. The grand am dp's were truly shit cars that are best used as a boat anchor for a cruise liner.
I’m so happy you are making these documentary-styled videos. Welcome to the club, bud! (I couldn’t comment on your Audi video since it won’t let me comment)
I really like the old DP cars. I love every now and then goin back and watching the old races with these cars and find it funny watching em race around the Road and Oval combos that NASCAR and IndyCar would race at, especially with Phoenix and even Iowa. Plus I watched my first Rolex 24 in 2010 late in this era. Also the old Gen 1 and Gen 2 DP cars from 2003-2011 r seriously goated. Like ya ask probably a majority of sports cars fans about what they know of Daytona Prototype, chances r they’ll just say DPI or the Ganassi Ford Rileys and Chevy Corvette DPs. Even in Sim Racing ya only really have the Corvette DPs in like iRacing and modded in Assetto Corsa. The only early DP car in sim racing is the Pontiac Riley on iRacing.
@@TransmogPresents I saw that a while ago after I saw a post from the Assetto Corsa NASCAR Modding group asking if anyone would be willing to make a conversion of the DP mod for AC. I was kinda pissed, I was like “THERE WAS A 2000S DP MOD FOR GTR2 AND I DIDN’T KNOW ALL THIS TIME??????” I need to get around to checking it out at some point but I don’t play enough GTR2 to say so. Maybe when my Moza wheel arrives.
Thanks for a nice video. I gues i am one of the few who really liked the Prototurtles. To me they were a fresh breath after watching Le-Mans and ALMS. Great complimentary series to watch. Also i gues i liked them more as i was more of a GT type of car fan. And specially the C7R DP's gave a perfect GT/prototype bland vibe.
LMP2 was actually formed in 2000, albeit under the name LMP675. And with the class still going to this day, LMP2 is the class with the upper hand on the longevity front.
Thank you for making this video. I was wondering "what are even those cars?" when watching compilations of track racing crashes and playing one of those cars in NASCAR 2005 Chase for the Cup (in one of the driver challenges). It's certainly weird but interesting racecar.
I was there at Limerock that last race. We saw the head of Imsa walking by and had a friend ask him if we would ever see prototypes there again. His answer was politica but basically it was no. To this day there is little chance GTP will be seen there.
21:41 I wanna tweak that statement a bit. The manufacturers left and with that all the race cars were gone so the fans have nothing to watch. It’s just like every other story in sports car racing, manufacturers spend a bunch of money, privateers get priced out, then the board room of the manufacturers say they are spending too much and they quit now the class is dead. It’s a story as old as time.
Today's LMP2s are held back as well as to not embarrass today's Hybrids of which are heavier and slower. Sadly the LMP2's are a dying breed due to the factory involvement in hybrids.
If this series never came out of racing the c8 Corvette never comes out this is where they're using all their engineering from racing on to the new c8 Corvette if these series have never came out they would be no c8
I loved Daytona Prototypes and they looked good. I think you are extremely biased. Sad. Petite Lemans was great too. Today it's really screwed up. It was supposed to be hyper-cars that were tweaked top of the line street cars. Instead, they are just prototypes. Cool, but not the over-hyped hyper-cars.
Nascar in the style of racing* The cars were just ugly as a result of bad rule making, however you can't deny the later gen cars are actually really great looking.
Man they are amazing! A cheap prototype that everyone can by, that’s legendary! The goofy look just adds to it, I love those little gremlins! When I was younger I also hated the design, but these days I miss cars like this a lot. Prototypes that are cheaply available and durable without nonsense electronics are all but forgotten these days..
The France family fell into NASCAR success in the '90s due to ESPN. They're hubris was born from thinking they were responsible for this business success. As you pointed out, everything else they touch turns to shit
My good friend use to race karts with the taylors, could of went on and been a pro race driver. Decided he'd rather surf the world and be a hippie. Miss ya bud.
You mentioned Milka Duno as talented!!! What have you been smoking? Just because she brought a freighter full of Citgo money and paid top rated drivers as team mates does not make her a talent, as a matter of fact didn't one of her competitors in Indy racing say that she couldn't drive herself out of a brown paper bag!!!
@@mariodelgado9729 thanks man, your good I found it funny becuase she won a grand am race at homestead but I’ve seen her race in indycar I know it was bad
you think these cars are ugly?? sorry, no. shocked and confused about how they out lasted alms?? they were a better package, better racing. bring them back! sports cars are losing it the same way indy car lost it over 20 years ago. these gtp cars are awful!! pit stop for energy??? wtf???? think about that for a minute. sports cars / weathertec series / nascar's sports cars are killing themselves.
I will forever be a Daytona Prototype apologist. Mainly because I remember first tuning into SPEED Channel back in 2004-2005ish and always seeing the GrandAM series racing. That was the first time I watched any other racing series besides than NASCAR or Drag Racing. Those are fond childhood memories of mine ❤
Good for you. As Kevin says, and like me: You found the age of reason. I hope that you get out to see the races live and collect cool cars as well.
@markzebr6463 oh FOR SURE I have!! Been going to a race every year at Mid-Ohio since 2016, (The last two years I've managed to go to the IMSA, IndyCar, and NASCAR weekends at Mid-Ohio. Sadly IMSA didnt return this year)
I've been to the Rolex 24 twice (2017,2023). I've also been to VIR to catch IMSA out there as well.
@@bccarl88 God , I miss Mid Ohio. Great Track. IMSA dumped it because the facilities were run down. Still I miss it.
Hey, You missed these parts in how they influenced pop culture!:
-In EA Nascar 2005 Chase for the cup, DPs are playable cars
-In Japan a Riley MK. XI Chassis DP named the *Mooncraft Shinden 16* was powered by a Toyota 1UZ, was ran in the GT300 category in Super GT. (Should I mention it once wore Neon Evangelion colors?!)
-DPs were playable cars featured in Iracing
-Forza 6 & 7 featured the Corvette DP and the Ford-Riley DP
-Chip Ganassi's number "01" from their Telmex/Target DP Lexus era have become references amongst Lexus branded GT cars, like racing number choices.
-Also The red and blue liveries of the Chip Ganassi Telmex/Target DPs may have been the influence to the Ford GT's WEC/ACO/IMSA liveries
The Daytona prototype is just beautiful!
And I still love driving the Riley in iRacing even if it’s a legacy car these days, so no more official events..
I love their simplicity!
Interestingly, the "01" is actually reference to the chassis that Chip Ganassi Racing ran in their debut season: #001
And speaking of Lexus, here's a funny and ironic connection: Chassis #001 (one of many Lexus entries in 2004) was last ran in 2010 by Aim Autosport, who in turn many years later teamed up with Jimmy Vasser and Danny Sullivan to field two Lexus RC F GT3 cars.
Such a shame DP is gone, what a great class. The looks weren’t for everyone but I love them.
I always liked these funky looking things
I was starting to think "well, they are not THAT ugly I'm kinda getting used to them after the initial shock..." and then you showed the ALMS cars. Yeah, it was THAT bad. At least I kinda like the later prototypes, especially the Corvette.
Awesome video about an underlooked era in racing I didn't know much about.
yeah they really were that bad.
The ALMS cars were bad ass back them
Which of the alms cars do you dislike?
All cars are different and I really like them these days after making fun of them back in the day.
That’s what nostalgia does to me..
As a Daytona native who's been an IMSA fan since the 80's I remember the announcement of the DP and being hopeful for a return to the IMSA GTP days, I was too young to understand it all so thanks for making this vid to show me what this class was really all about. Good times!
I have to admit, I spent many a Saturday or Sunday watching the DP’s run. And each year they got better and better. I remember a lot of great names, and exciting races! Multimatic, Picchio, Felix Sabates, the Red Dragon!! Good times. The ALMS was my favorite, but Grand Am had a good product!
23:35 You forgot and possibly misinterpreted another crucial detail:
-The LMP2s were running the European LMP2 rulebooks and specs of their timeframe, which for gross summary allowed them to be ~2090lbs and have restrictions in body size, and have production-based engines restricted to ~530-450hp....
Lmp2s have no restriction on how their monocoque chassis can be made, and they can shape the car however they wish as long as dimensions are obeyed....
In Summary LMP2s were weaksauce closed fendered "2-seat" F1 cars
Imsa was going to allow the old DPs to race as equals with the Euro-rulebook LMP2s in USA.
How were Tubeframe-over-Fiberglass racecars going to compete with lightweight-high downforce, carbon-monocoque low-powered weak formula cars?
-IMSA unrestricted the DPs aero restrictions as long as the cockpits remain intact.
-The tire sizes the DPs used increased to the LMP sizes.
But this is the crucial detail of DP dominance even if restricted weight (2,200 lbs for DPs 2090 for P2s) nor aero advantage was there:
*POWER*
2014 DPs were pushing ~700hp where P2s could run ~550hp!
The Corvette DP was using an N/A 5.5L LS engine which was fat-cammed to believably push ~650-700hp
The Ford DPs were using the 3.5L Twin-Turbo Duratec-Ecoboost V6 that may have pushed ~650hp
Overall the DPs murdered the weaksauce LMPs in being too powerful and outrunning them in every straightaway. Also the LMPs in question were often wearing their high-downforce aero in high speed tracks like Daytona 24, where horsepower and acceleration will make or break you.
In a weird way the cheaper metal tubeframe cars were faster, and more slippery than the carbon-chassis LMPs.
I'm not going to pretend that I like Grand-Am more than the AMLS, but I was very grateful to have two two American sports car racing series to watch.
The DPs were only the seeds. The DPis were the blossoms and the LMDH/LMH are the nurturing fruit we're fortunate enough to live on now.
Those dps looked the same for about a decade straight highly doubt they were seeds for anything
The Daytona prototypes from 03 to 2011 were eyesores, 2012 to 2016 they at least resembled the prototypes we all know and of course 2017 brought us DPI and here we are now with the GTP class
Great video!!!!!! I loved racing these DP on the old game GRID!!! And watching them on tv, I love them!!!!! Thanks for the revisit of the race cars!!!!!!!!
I have very fond memories from the Brumos vs Ganassi Rolex 24, it was one of the first races I watched and the TV broadcast in my country was awesome. I didn’t mind the car’s aesthetics at the time. I was always entertained until the DP + LMP2 era. The exit of the Muscle Milk car left a sour taste to me, as it was my favorite team since the ALMS era. Their Lola Aston Martin and their HPD LMP1s were some of the best looking cars racing at that time. But nevertheless, I had a very great time watching the DPs compete 😄
Well that's what happens when small-dicked NAZICAB owners over-regulate truly fast cars to make it look like their turd of a car was worth a damn. The grand am dp's were truly shit cars that are best used as a boat anchor for a cruise liner.
I’m so happy you are making these documentary-styled videos.
Welcome to the club, bud!
(I couldn’t comment on your Audi video since it won’t let me comment)
Aye thanks buddy! They have been fun to make and really it’s fun to share some history from the genre of motorsports I hold so close to my heart!
@@KevinRollins32 I love it, I love it! Keep em coming!
@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT trust me #3 is in production now, it’ll be about a LMP1 fallen giant
@@KevinRollins32 this is going to be great!
I really like these cars. I also grew up watching them and it was a great era. I actually think they look pretty good for what they are.
Dude love your videos keep them coming love from Massachusetts.
Great video, I just love those cars!
The Porsche looks so funny with its stylized 911 tail!
me:"mom i want 911 GT1"
mom"but we have 911 GT1 at home"
the 911 GT1 at home: 02:00
Collect some 1/43 scale models. I do and love them.
They maybe look ugly, but they unique & cost effective.
Very, I personally loved then and was sad to see them go
Looks like LeMans GroupC from the 80's, a mix between a Rondeau M379 and a WM P83, quiet the Fashion 😅
you're probably talking about the ones from before 2012
cause the 2012 DPs were actually pretty.
@@adr1uno638 they look nothing like an 80's Group C car. Those looked...good.
which is exactly the antithesis of what top rung sports car racing was ever about.
I’d love to see a DPi sequel video
Spirit of Daytona and action express are awesome team names
You should make more sportscar history videos, this one was great
I really like the old DP cars. I love every now and then goin back and watching the old races with these cars and find it funny watching em race around the Road and Oval combos that NASCAR and IndyCar would race at, especially with Phoenix and even Iowa. Plus I watched my first Rolex 24 in 2010 late in this era. Also the old Gen 1 and Gen 2 DP cars from 2003-2011 r seriously goated. Like ya ask probably a majority of sports cars fans about what they know of Daytona Prototype, chances r they’ll just say DPI or the Ganassi Ford Rileys and Chevy Corvette DPs. Even in Sim Racing ya only really have the Corvette DPs in like iRacing and modded in Assetto Corsa. The only early DP car in sim racing is the Pontiac Riley on iRacing.
There is a Grand Am 2006 mod that appeared in some older sims like Rfactor and GTR2 that contained all the models from that year
@@TransmogPresents I saw that a while ago after I saw a post from the Assetto Corsa NASCAR Modding group asking if anyone would be willing to make a conversion of the DP mod for AC. I was kinda pissed, I was like “THERE WAS A 2000S DP MOD FOR GTR2 AND I DIDN’T KNOW ALL THIS TIME??????” I need to get around to checking it out at some point but I don’t play enough GTR2 to say so. Maybe when my Moza wheel arrives.
Fingers crossed that the LMDH cars stick around for this long as well
Thanks for a nice video. I gues i am one of the few who really liked the Prototurtles. To me they were a fresh breath after watching Le-Mans and ALMS. Great complimentary series to watch. Also i gues i liked them more as i was more of a GT type of car fan. And specially the C7R DP's gave a perfect GT/prototype bland vibe.
Rewatching after two months. I want this amazing and affordable class back!
Not the hybrid stuff they drive now :(
LMP2 was actually formed in 2000, albeit under the name LMP675. And with the class still going to this day, LMP2 is the class with the upper hand on the longevity front.
Thank you for making this video. I was wondering "what are even those cars?" when watching compilations of track racing crashes and playing one of those cars in NASCAR 2005 Chase for the Cup (in one of the driver challenges). It's certainly weird but interesting racecar.
Great video
You did great on the video man. Keep it up. Longer doesn't bother me if its not filler
I was there at Limerock that last race. We saw the head of Imsa walking by and had a friend ask him if we would ever see prototypes there again. His answer was politica but basically it was no. To this day there is little chance GTP will be seen there.
IMSA needs an all-prototype round.
I'm suprised that NASCAR owned this series
Bill France Sr was one of the founders of IMSA in 1969
they may have been "ugly," but i have very fond memories of watching the grand am series....one of the racing series i grew up watching.
Absolutely me too, I wasn’t a fan of the Gen. 3 DPs but the gen 2s will always have a special place in my heart
Could you please make a video about the split of Grand Am and ALMS, and how they came to be IMSA?
Absolutely! It is in the plan to make that over the winter time, this summer has been busy covering races but it’s defiantly in the plans
21:41 I wanna tweak that statement a bit. The manufacturers left and with that all the race cars were gone so the fans have nothing to watch. It’s just like every other story in sports car racing, manufacturers spend a bunch of money, privateers get priced out, then the board room of the manufacturers say they are spending too much and they quit now the class is dead. It’s a story as old as time.
The later DPs looked good
think u could do some gt videos, maybe about the gt2/gte cars, or maybe gt1?
Theses cars didn’t look THAT bad…..but this is coming from me who thinks all prototype class cars are uglier.
Today's LMP2s are held back as well as to not embarrass today's Hybrids of which are heavier and slower. Sadly the LMP2's are a dying breed due to the factory involvement in hybrids.
Did my guy mention Milka Dunno when talking bout better driver talent coming in? 🤣
Yes. And it was intentional
She's the reason Andy Wallace took the Bugatti job, he was tired of having to carry the team so much.
Daytonas Vs LMP2s at this time is how you get BOP wrong
If this series never came out of racing the c8 Corvette never comes out this is where they're using all their engineering from racing on to the new c8 Corvette if these series have never came out they would be no c8
❤ Toyota Corolla GR❤
I loved Daytona Prototypes and they looked good. I think you are extremely biased. Sad. Petite Lemans was great too.
Today it's really screwed up. It was supposed to be hyper-cars that were tweaked top of the line street cars. Instead, they are just prototypes. Cool, but not the over-hyped hyper-cars.
Never liked this generation of cars. Kinda turned me off the series. Nascar is why. They break everything they touch.
They may not have been great cars but the racing was to be honest
Nascar in the style of racing*
The cars were just ugly as a result of bad rule making, however you can't deny the later gen cars are actually really great looking.
Man they are amazing!
A cheap prototype that everyone can by, that’s legendary!
The goofy look just adds to it, I love those little gremlins!
When I was younger I also hated the design, but these days I miss cars like this a lot.
Prototypes that are cheaply available and durable without nonsense electronics are all but forgotten these days..
@@rolux4853Yeah but the fact they were the MAIN class was bs.
The France family fell into NASCAR success in the '90s due to ESPN. They're hubris was born from thinking they were responsible for this business success. As you pointed out, everything else they touch turns to shit
My good friend use to race karts with the taylors, could of went on and been a pro race driver. Decided he'd rather surf the world and be a hippie. Miss ya bud.
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The very last generation of Daytona prototypes were actually decent looking cars. The early iterations were butt ass ugly
the DP's were incredibly ugly, and raced very well.
You mentioned Milka Duno as talented!!! What have you been smoking? Just because she brought a freighter full of Citgo money and paid top rated drivers as team mates does not make her a talent, as a matter of fact didn't one of her competitors in Indy racing say that she couldn't drive herself out of a brown paper bag!!!
I put it in the video as a joke
@@KevinRollins32 Sorry mate, went right over my head!!! Great video I forgot to mention because my fixation of the Miss Duno comment!
@@mariodelgado9729 thanks man, your good I found it funny becuase she won a grand am race at homestead but I’ve seen her race in indycar I know it was bad
@@KevinRollins32Andy Wallace literally suffering from so much back pain carrying that team in 2004.
you think these cars are ugly?? sorry, no. shocked and confused about how they out lasted alms?? they were a better package, better racing. bring them back! sports cars are losing it the same way indy car lost it over 20 years ago. these gtp cars are awful!! pit stop for energy??? wtf???? think about that for a minute. sports cars / weathertec series / nascar's sports cars are killing themselves.
it’s basically the same as pitting for fuel, you just have to wait longer if you use more power in the stint