I'm not a top end player but it does feel like they did Orcane dirty. I think your points about the aggressive /forward momentum gameplan being nerfed are spot on and should be reconsidered.
@@emmanuelgonzalez6966 he might not like the fact from bias but you are probably right. I just think there is a chance he doesn’t like it, so I am asking for clarification.
They went way overboard with this on top of the nerfs to his normals since his beta release. The specials and recovery are whatever, but making his normals worse is just gonna make him resort to playing a runaway playstyle more often.
we'll see. i was never going to stop playing like a degen, he kindof needed it, cause i just torture my opponents unless they are just waay better. I'd rather the devs be drastic than overly cautious and they can always roll it back if it doesnt work as intended.
I disagree that the special nerfs are "whatever" because now they're just not rewarding to hit and thus feel like blank moves in his kit. The character doesn't feel cohesive or fun with his specials being as bad as they are.
@@biledox5576 Playing against everyone is annoying. Ranno still can tap B repeatedly and beat out approaches. Clairen can still throw out ten thousand huge hitboxes while being ridiculously hard to whiff-punish. Zetterburn's fireball is unchanged. I feel like asking for a character to have a moveset that is actually possible to use is not an unreasonable ask, rather than having down B be literally parry-able _on hit_ and thus actively incorrect to use in every situation.
At this point, there is no reason to play Orcane as Maypul exists. She is just better at trapping and scrapping than Orcane by miles. She was barely touched in the patch too, which is just insane to me.
Orcane was the only character I was still having fun with in this game, and now he's no longer fun to play. Respect to you for keeping a positive frame though
@@matthewosterman9030he never said he was good, nor did he say he was winning. He said he has fun with old Orcane. Insane that your brain instantly goes toward malicious attacks against people for no reason. It’s a game. Just be a chill guy.
@@hi-mx8xk"fun" what he meant was orcane was better now worse, pretty obvious. So why is he not fun anymore? Still the same character same moves but nerfed. Instead of adapting trying to improve he is like "no fun anymore" therefore yeah this dude was carried.
How am I carried if I did better with Zetterburn than I've ever done with Orcane? I found Orcane to be a technically deep character with a lot to practice, someone I could have fun with just in training mode. Now with the drastic narrowing of his options, he's not fun or interesting to me anymore.
I kinda shook my head from them buffing parry vs projectile while also raw nerfing projectiles. It seems like it would be a lot better for the game if they allowed it to breathe by either implement one or the other and not both. I can still work around wrastor side b, but orcane not being able to convert off hit seems problematic
I didn't want them to nerf the projectiles either in all honesty: the parry buff was something that felt needed for more accessibility. With my next-level reactions, it gets really tiring to have advantages like that, I actually hate it so much. They need to speed up parry further, rebuff projectiles, find some different way for more creative approaches. I'm letting go of my kill confirm issues, I began to realize recently that a vast array of kill confirms are needed so people escape this pattern of seeking out that one easy option. Yes, if there's an easy option, you can abuse it, but if it's ONLY that easy option, well.. see my point?
I posted a bug report about the controller thing. The devs responded and they think that controllers sometimes stop working when you alt-tab, or just tab out of the game :)
They do, and you can fix it by playing window mode and clicking into the window when it happens. But that doesn't seem applicable for people who don't like window mode like me.
I think they should at least have given him some buffs to scrap if they wanted that. Like downtilt bair etc. And I think they should have kept the down b the same. So you can follow up on it. If you nerf neutral b and the placing then the detonating doesnt matter as much. Especially since they can parry it easier and the puddle is already there.
It was the mid-air stall that did it for me. Removing that took away a lot of the fun and strategy that I had been enjoying since launch. Double sucks since Orcane was pretty much the only character I really played... I feel like Wolverine looking at a portrait of a downward thumbstick + B 😭
best di for away on attacks like orcane nair is down and away, as it sends at 45 degress and you need to have perpendicular DI to make it send the farthest away. (I think the game snaps your di to perfect but im not 100% sure)
I felt everything you said, even as a new player to this game, im new to platform fighters, and i love this character but he just feels a little blocky now, i wont give up on him though, he will come back im sure, just a huge bummer
Give it time for the dust to settle, your muscle memory will take time to adjust. As a Kragg main my whole character (block combos especially) feels like playing underwater after this patch but I've got faith in my ability to adjust.
So many people saying "haha get fucked annoying orcane players" but I don't see hardly anyone talking about how ill this bodes for future patches. Imagine they just nerf all movement of a character you actually like? That you invested hundreds of hours into? Like, its actually so discouraging that they can completely gut every movement ability of a character and invalidate any muscle memory you've built up. Why would you practice any character in this game for an extended period when that can happen? Imagine you're a Zetterburn main and in a single patch they simultaneously made it so you couldnt wavedash out of shine, couldn't cancel his down b, and added like 6 frames of startup to his up b?
6:16 ofc it won t be simple You litteraly chose pne of the characters that escapes the bubbles the more easily, like maypul falls super fast and has a tiny hurtbox
The spot I feel it most is short hop fair and then trying to combo off it. In the old patch I would do fair to downtilt fairly often but now the end lag on fair makes this almost impossible. I dont main orcane but I found them fun to play. I hate how heavy handed these nerfs were. Fleet on the other hand is still incredibly strong. Yeah their nerfs were just as bad but 90% of the old combos still work. Orcane has maybe 50% of their old combos. Oh also orcane has dair which IMO is a pointless move. I have yet to find a use for it so they basically only had 4 aerials to begin with nerfing fair that hard now just leaves nair bair and up air. They just killed a lot of orcanes vibe if you know what I mean. They feel kinda clunky now. Hopefully this gets changed next patch. Either way I dont main the character so its a whatever from me. I think what makes me sad about it is more we finally see dabuz playing an agro character and it gets nerfed. With kragg where I feel it most is just his side b cancel recovery. The landing lag on it being longer is literally the only difference I notice. That character is still busted.
I def agree with the projectile nerfs for this reason, but it boggles the mind that they also nerfed the tilts he needs to DO the interactive rushdown playstyle they wanted to move towards
Nearly every character being super annoying to play against kinda turned me off from learning the game. Most of the cast is so hyper. I kinda feel like i need some time to adjust to each opponent. Moving as fast as the competition causes hand pains so I play slower characters and either let them come to me or use longer range options. My most played is Fleet cause I like floating and shooting arrows, but parry reflects and everything that Clairen does invalidates most of Fleet's kit. Think I like playing Kragg too, he doesn't require too many inputs per second, throwing rocks is fun but playing him naturally makes me into even easier combo food. Tried to play Zetterburn since he's supposedly the easiest and learning jump canceled Shine into combos was physically painful, I can not do that for a sustainable amount of time. I don't expect the patch to change much about that, and I'm not asking it to. Fornace's team should stick to their vision, not cater to people like me that don't play Rivals that often. Although I do WANT to play it more, i think it's a really cool game, best platfighter in years.
I'm not a top end player but it does feel like they did Orcane dirty. I think your points about the aggressive /forward momentum gameplan being nerfed are spot on and should be reconsidered.
The fact Dan plays his own ranked is actually so sick when you think about it
Do you mean sick as in he is bias or sick as in cool
@@dyloaniso2175 based on the context clues he probably means sick as in cool
@@emmanuelgonzalez6966 he might not like the fact from bias but you are probably right. I just think there is a chance he doesn’t like it, so I am asking for clarification.
yeah until he guts your character
Like Sakurai to Kirby... Fornace to Orcane...
They have to cut the limbs off their sons to avoid seeming biased.
I always imagined sakurai mained Marth, that may have just been me going insane though.
@@eatingyoshi4403he mains ganon
You can't spell Fornace w/o Orcane...
That just makes them haters of their pride and joy. They are biased against their faves. That's worse than being biased for.
They went way overboard with this on top of the nerfs to his normals since his beta release.
The specials and recovery are whatever, but making his normals worse is just gonna make him resort to playing a runaway playstyle more often.
we'll see. i was never going to stop playing like a degen, he kindof needed it, cause i just torture my opponents unless they are just waay better. I'd rather the devs be drastic than overly cautious and they can always roll it back if it doesnt work as intended.
Utilt on shield tho... and that fair recovery was kinda free...
I disagree that the special nerfs are "whatever" because now they're just not rewarding to hit and thus feel like blank moves in his kit. The character doesn't feel cohesive or fun with his specials being as bad as they are.
They nerfed everyone, so i don't know why everybody is crying. Playing against Orcane was just annoying, so it's a very good change
@@biledox5576 Playing against everyone is annoying. Ranno still can tap B repeatedly and beat out approaches. Clairen can still throw out ten thousand huge hitboxes while being ridiculously hard to whiff-punish. Zetterburn's fireball is unchanged.
I feel like asking for a character to have a moveset that is actually possible to use is not an unreasonable ask, rather than having down B be literally parry-able _on hit_ and thus actively incorrect to use in every situation.
At this point, there is no reason to play Orcane as Maypul exists. She is just better at trapping and scrapping than Orcane by miles. She was barely touched in the patch too, which is just insane to me.
Orcane was the only character I was still having fun with in this game, and now he's no longer fun to play. Respect to you for keeping a positive frame though
Lmao carried
@@matthewosterman9030he never said he was good, nor did he say he was winning. He said he has fun with old Orcane. Insane that your brain instantly goes toward malicious attacks against people for no reason. It’s a game. Just be a chill guy.
@@hi-mx8xk"fun" what he meant was orcane was better now worse, pretty obvious. So why is he not fun anymore? Still the same character same moves but nerfed. Instead of adapting trying to improve he is like "no fun anymore" therefore yeah this dude was carried.
@@Pkey995 no when he says he doesn’t have “fun”. It means he’s not having fun. Hope this helps! 🤭
How am I carried if I did better with Zetterburn than I've ever done with Orcane? I found Orcane to be a technically deep character with a lot to practice, someone I could have fun with just in training mode. Now with the drastic narrowing of his options, he's not fun or interesting to me anymore.
I kinda shook my head from them buffing parry vs projectile while also raw nerfing projectiles. It seems like it would be a lot better for the game if they allowed it to breathe by either implement one or the other and not both. I can still work around wrastor side b, but orcane not being able to convert off hit seems problematic
I didn't want them to nerf the projectiles either in all honesty: the parry buff was something that felt needed for more accessibility. With my next-level reactions, it gets really tiring to have advantages like that, I actually hate it so much. They need to speed up parry further, rebuff projectiles, find some different way for more creative approaches. I'm letting go of my kill confirm issues, I began to realize recently that a vast array of kill confirms are needed so people escape this pattern of seeking out that one easy option. Yes, if there's an easy option, you can abuse it, but if it's ONLY that easy option, well.. see my point?
I swear that’s true with so many things in this update. Plenty of fixes to one problem all at once when just one of them would’ve worked fine
FIRST! Also, as an Orcane main, hes too annoying to play against. Orcane did get gutted though. It was too much for my boi :(
The devs woke up and chose indiscriminate violence.
dabuz i blame you for the nerfs
I posted a bug report about the controller thing. The devs responded and they think that controllers sometimes stop working when you alt-tab, or just tab out of the game :)
They do, and you can fix it by playing window mode and clicking into the window when it happens. But that doesn't seem applicable for people who don't like window mode like me.
I think they should at least have given him some buffs to scrap if they wanted that. Like downtilt bair etc. And I think they should have kept the down b the same. So you can follow up on it. If you nerf neutral b and the placing then the detonating doesnt matter as much. Especially since they can parry it easier and the puddle is already there.
dtilt buff would be great esp since (i think) they were trying to make Orcane play more aggressive and upclose than before
You can save states on training mode, you could save the state when the character is on center stage and reset to train specific conditions.
It was the mid-air stall that did it for me. Removing that took away a lot of the fun and strategy that I had been enjoying since launch. Double sucks since Orcane was pretty much the only character I really played...
I feel like Wolverine looking at a portrait of a downward thumbstick + B 😭
best di for away on attacks like orcane nair is down and away, as it sends at 45 degress and you need to have perpendicular DI to make it send the farthest away. (I think the game snaps your di to perfect but im not 100% sure)
I felt everything you said, even as a new player to this game, im new to platform fighters, and i love this character but he just feels a little blocky now, i wont give up on him though, he will come back im sure, just a huge bummer
Give it time for the dust to settle, your muscle memory will take time to adjust. As a Kragg main my whole character (block combos especially) feels like playing underwater after this patch but I've got faith in my ability to adjust.
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So many people saying "haha get fucked annoying orcane players" but I don't see hardly anyone talking about how ill this bodes for future patches.
Imagine they just nerf all movement of a character you actually like? That you invested hundreds of hours into? Like, its actually so discouraging that they can completely gut every movement ability of a character and invalidate any muscle memory you've built up. Why would you practice any character in this game for an extended period when that can happen?
Imagine you're a Zetterburn main and in a single patch they simultaneously made it so you couldnt wavedash out of shine, couldn't cancel his down b, and added like 6 frames of startup to his up b?
This is how I've felt, I basically stopped playing rivals after this patch
6:16 ofc it won t be simple
You litteraly chose pne of the characters that escapes the bubbles the more easily, like maypul falls super fast and has a tiny hurtbox
ORCANE...
The spot I feel it most is short hop fair and then trying to combo off it. In the old patch I would do fair to downtilt fairly often but now the end lag on fair makes this almost impossible. I dont main orcane but I found them fun to play. I hate how heavy handed these nerfs were. Fleet on the other hand is still incredibly strong. Yeah their nerfs were just as bad but 90% of the old combos still work. Orcane has maybe 50% of their old combos.
Oh also orcane has dair which IMO is a pointless move. I have yet to find a use for it so they basically only had 4 aerials to begin with nerfing fair that hard now just leaves nair bair and up air. They just killed a lot of orcanes vibe if you know what I mean. They feel kinda clunky now. Hopefully this gets changed next patch. Either way I dont main the character so its a whatever from me. I think what makes me sad about it is more we finally see dabuz playing an agro character and it gets nerfed.
With kragg where I feel it most is just his side b cancel recovery. The landing lag on it being longer is literally the only difference I notice. That character is still busted.
How do you do the training mode slow down?
Short answer. No, zoning isn’t the purpose of Orcane. He is melee pikachu like. Approach with nair and bair with wavedashing
So he has 3 neutral options now and everyone else has 10
@ no lol. Thats just a bad mindset on neutral. Orcane still thrives
I def agree with the projectile nerfs for this reason, but it boggles the mind that they also nerfed the tilts he needs to DO the interactive rushdown playstyle they wanted to move towards
@ the tilt nerfs do make me sad but up tilt was way too safe
@@fdsaa You mean the super safe super strong tilt? 😂
Nearly every character being super annoying to play against kinda turned me off from learning the game. Most of the cast is so hyper. I kinda feel like i need some time to adjust to each opponent. Moving as fast as the competition causes hand pains so I play slower characters and either let them come to me or use longer range options. My most played is Fleet cause I like floating and shooting arrows, but parry reflects and everything that Clairen does invalidates most of Fleet's kit. Think I like playing Kragg too, he doesn't require too many inputs per second, throwing rocks is fun but playing him naturally makes me into even easier combo food. Tried to play Zetterburn since he's supposedly the easiest and learning jump canceled Shine into combos was physically painful, I can not do that for a sustainable amount of time. I don't expect the patch to change much about that, and I'm not asking it to. Fornace's team should stick to their vision, not cater to people like me that don't play Rivals that often. Although I do WANT to play it more, i think it's a really cool game, best platfighter in years.
Nerfing orcane is a really stupid idea
Naw
Nerfing his non interactive strengths was fine. Not buffing his interactive weaknesses was stupid
@@PlaylistMaker4You if we were nerfing the non interactive abilities of all other characters into the ground, then maybe. That didn't happen
@@trombonegamer14yes it did? Tf are you talking about
Noooo But I needed bubble spam to give me enough time to think during matches! I feel like the only person who doesn't know how to play the game lol
Ha-ha!
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