Why Are These NIKE Shoes ILLEGAL?
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Let's talk about what's going on with the new Spike shoe technology, why it's being banned, and if this could lead to new world records.
In this video we discuss the viperfly, vaporfly, and maxfly among other shoes in the Nike Air collection.
The full list of topics addressed in this video:
- How Were the Shoes Designed?
- Why Are They So Controversial?
- Can They Actually Make You Faster?
- Can They Be Used to Break Usain Bolt's World Records?
- Why Were They Banned By The Olympics?
- Are They Available for Sale?
- What Does This Mean For the Future?
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Should Elite Sprinters compete in these shoes to see what's possible or would it be unfair to the athletes who set records without them?
The cool thing about track and field athletics is that you can compare your performance throughout history. If Usain Bolt's records are broken due to super spikes will the new record holder really be faster than Bolt? Is it fair to compare the two? IMO anyone who beat Bolt will have to beat him in regular spikes to gain the title as world fastest man.
Some respect for the man by pronouncing his name right Eliud Kipchoge
Your math in the middle of the video is incorrect. You can't take the speed multiplier and subtract time with it.
As a simple proof, imagine if the shoes made you 100% faster. Applying the math you used, that would make your time for the run ZERO seconds, which is impossible.
Here is the CORRECT way to do the math:
Have some arbitrary distance 'd' and some arbitrary speeds 's1' and 's2' to represent your "before" and "after" speeds, respectively.
If s2 is 3% faster than s1 then that means s2 = 1.03*s1.
Now, time is simply distance divided by speed, so we say d/s1=9.76 (your baseline time).
For our second equation, we have d/s2=t.
To solve for t, our shorter time, we substitute our value for s2 we found earlier to get d/(1.03*s1)=t.
Then, since we know d/s1=9.76, we substitute that in as well to get 9.76/1.03=t, which equals 9.47572816.
Thus, t rounds to 9.48 seconds, NOT 9.47 seconds as you incorrectly calculated.
This may seem like a nitpick however it's always important to do the correct math. If you intend to use an approximation, as you did here, you should explicitly state it, so as not to mislead the less mathematically inclined who may be watching your videos.
Although your approximation is somewhat accurate for small speed increases, it becomes extremely inaccurate in more extreme examples like the one I mentioned earlier. Yeah, I sure wish I had a magical pair of shoes that allows me to instantly teleport just from running twice as fast as I normally can, but alas that is impossible...
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If they’re going to ban shoes because of “technological doping” they should just require everyone to run barefoot.
or they just all wear the same shoe
If they were developed by third world countries they would ban it
@@pandaface1941People have different foot shape so some people would have shoes that don’t fit properly
@@pandaface1941 sponsor existed. there's no way a brand would follow each other in terms of design.
They used to bck in the ancient Olympics.
Imagine making so good shoes that wearing it considered as cheating.
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the video game equivalent of this is the wooting 60he in osu
Spiked shoes are cheating, but whatever. Nobody will go back to butt naked olympics, so bring on the viperfly!
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@@DoooFus no its equivalent to gorilla tag with 45 or 15 hertz
I'm sure Bolts shoes were way better than Carl Lewis's, and even more better than the shoes Jesse Owens wore. Technology has always and will always contribute to athletes performing at a higher level. Should Tiger Woods not get the same amount of credit as Nicklaus or Palmer. It's always been this way and it always will
Bolts shoes didnt have springy airpods lmao. This is the issue here.
It wasn't the does, it was the track surface that made the difference. Kinda like at the Beijing Olympics they made a deeper pool, which also played into the number of records.
There should be no problem with the shoe as long as everyone in the race is wearing a pair
Also they should ask bolt to go back in training for a six month and run a race with all the best 100m sprinter of this time bolt is not too old he just retired
There needs to be a fine line. We can’t end up with straight up motorized shoes in 15 years lmao
Just shut up please, and give the athletes motorcycles. It’s the best technology.
And if you do, make it so that only few athletes, the ones that are sponsored by the motorcycle company are allowed to use them.
every single sport has better tech and equipment than years earlier.
Hockey sticks, skates, tennis racquets, basketball shoes, bicycles,soccer cleats, etc ..
Very true.
@@TheSprintProject_theirs two on stock x
I think it’s a bit misleading using the 5% stat from the vapor fly which is a distance shoe and assuming it is the same for the viper flys. It’s just not the same thing.
The fact that the TH-camr assumed that would apply to the 100m just because it applied to the Marathon is not only a misleading statement it's also stupid
@@breakmylegs7294 yea it’s just a poorly put together argument, and a way of essentially click baiting Usain Bolt’s record
So true
Facts right there
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3:30 i cant with his username 😂
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If everyone can wear them it is not cheating. Also for those afraid of old pre-viperfly records being broken their is this thing in Video-game speed-running where there are different categories (any %, 100%, glitch less, scriped just to name a few). Could there be different categories of records in the running world (i.e.normal running shoes, vs viperfly technology) sort of like in gaming?
in professional running not everyone can wear them any athlete sponsored by a different company is now pretty much fucked. both the world record for men and women are in variations of the shoes and 5 of the top 10 best male marathon speeds of all time are in this line of shoes. the difference between first and second in a marathon is so small in percentages that a 4% difference is way too much of a difference to be fair
@@jda8557 is reverse engineering not a thing?
This sounds gross tbf
@@jda8557 Sponsored athletes won't be turned away if they go to the shops and ask for Nike shoes. Just because they've chosen to take a pay cheque from a different company doesn't make other shoes unavailable to them. If they have a free choice between HyperMegaShoe from Brand X but they choose a contract to run CrappyPoopyShoe from Brand Y then it is still a fair competition. What would be unfair would be if Brand X were to make HyperMegaShoe available to their contracted athletes only.
@@mig-f-8623 yes but patents are also a thing. You try making a pair of shoes with a fiber filled air bubble sandwiched between carbon fiber plates. See how long Nike let's it live 😅
You forgot to talk about the "Viper fang" which was developed to help athletes like Coleman to reduce the struggling at the last few meters of the race
When the TH-cam videos about the Nike Viper fang came out in late 2019, early 2020, I swear sebestian Coe was pissing himself, because they thought Coleman was too powerful for the last 40metre of 2019 Doha world champs. He was scared for bolts world record, must be of thought Coleman was going to break it in 2020!
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I willingly watched an 11 minute long Nike ad?
Reminds me of a time when Mazda made an engine that beat everyone. Instead of other teams improving on their stuff, they got the Mazda engine banned.
Thats completely different, engineering optimizations and breakthroughs are supposed to be part of racing cars, cars are the main part. Tha main part of a footrace is people, sure running shoes currently, are better than they used to be which is an advantage, but the advantage is minimising non-athletic factors from limiting an atheltes abilities(e.g. uneven surface, poor surface friction, lack of rigidity, etc),these shoes add engineer mechanical advantage outside the scope of natural human ability even in perfect conditions, thats the difference. Its basically legal doping.
If your only gripe about doping is the potential harm it can do to atheltes, and not the fact it moves the intent of competition, than you don't care these exist(which is a valid opinion to have). But as long as the believe that spirit of the competition is, to measure a human beings capacity to run fast,not their ability to run fast assiested by pharmaceutical, mechanical, and/or biological(eventually when we start seeing genetic alteration in the zygomatic state of fetus') enhancement, than these shoes need to be banned, the same as any other form of doping.
@@nicholaskarras2759 Very well said 👍
The 787B.
Same happened with the 69 Dodge Charger Daytona and 70 Road Runner Superbird. Banned for being too fast
3:30 brodies name got me dead
Let's not forget the banned shoes from the NBA which has been discovered they had springs. Even if it's not the same story, it should be taking in account
I'm surprised I missed that, those would've been dope to cover also.
@@TheSprintProject_ there was a high tensile steel sprung runner used in i think the bosten marathon early 2000s it ws imbedded in the mid sole. an american company made them and didnt try to hide the tech. they sold like hot cakes. thre were 2 models from memory i saw them selling here in australia in fotlocker. but i think after 2 big city marathons where lots of the feild had purchased them they were banned for their catapulting affect. whish i cauld remember what they were called.
@@simonhunt9152 I disagree with the ban. The springs do not impart more energy to a runner's forward motion than he or she puts in (To the contrary, compressing a cheap foam shoe is just converting a bunch of energy to heat). In contrast, Alberto Salazar was probably taking lots of testosterone and blood doping till his eyes were red (This should not be taken literally) when he won his big marathons, but nobody took his wins away.
@@hypothalapotamus5293 Sorry, you are wrong. The springs take some of the energy that would have been wasted in striking the ground & store it briefly as potential energy in the coiled spring, upon recoil that energy that would otherwise be wasted is released forward. This is why the shoes are banned & why people can run faster with them than without them. 😉
@@itzakehrenberg3449 I am not wrong. A spring may store energy and release it more efficiently than the human body, but the energy originated from the person. Thus it falls under energy waste reduction rather than actually adding energy.
In bicycle racing, this is the difference between having a better bike with less drag and hiding an electric motor in your bike to actually add energy (which people actually have done). One is obviously cheating, but the other requires a careful discussion on what bicycle designs should be allowed.
Despite how the argument is framed, carbon fiber inserts and springs are not equivalent to adding an electric motor to a bike because they do not add energy additional energy that did not come from the human body. They fall under the category of energy waste reduction where the limitations are more subjective. If we do a blanket ban on things that limit energy loss, we suddenly ban any added rigidity to shoes, traction aids, and even clothing items that prevent the unwanted flopping around of bodyparts (Jock straps and sports bras). If such a ban were to occur, Athletes would be running around barefoot and naked.
3:31 nice nickname, 100% its his gamertag
Awesome video as always, for my part I'm french and I love how easy, clear and well explained all your videos are.
You really deserve more visibility, good luck forthe future :)
Facts, his videos are so damn entertaining and well made
Thank you Leon! I try my best to make these easy to understand so I'm happy to hear that. Appreciate the support 🙏🏻
Maybe Usain Bolt’s records seem untouchable because he was really fast. Maybe the guy who breaks them will be really fast. It would take a whole lot of speed to break the record, I don’t care what you put on your feet
Facts
Of course he’ll be really fast. But if you have a shoe that, in all lab tests, make you .60 seconds faster across 100m, you’re not as good as Bolt, but that’s not what the records will show. It’s a new era. Records should reflect that.
@@iRunfastXC yeah a .6 second difference in a sport where high schoolers have come withing
I think that they should adapt the track field so you can run barefoot, which is beneficial for balance and it wouldn't affect speed if the traction with the track is firm. It would make all of this shoe related problems go away, although only for short races.
Comming from Norway with lots of rain, snow and freezing temperatures, o do not think it will be a hit
Yu people are so fany,let them ran barefoot or with gumboots
Runners already destroy their feet in expensive tech-packed shoes, no matter what changes you make to the physical running surface running barefoot would only lead to worse health problems for athletes.
That would be too expensive.
What makes track so popular is that it is the cheapest sport you can play and therefore accessible in poor countries.
@@billy7975running barefoot is actually safer and healthier if they're already accustomed to it
Gosh I look forward to your uploads. Keep doing this man you’re gon blow up
Thank you Soloman, got plenty of bangers coming 🤙🏼
Love how your videos keep improving in every way (though they were always good). Re shoe technology, I would like to see the emphasis shifted from shoe technology to track technology. In that it would give everyone the same advantage, it would be more democratic. Sure, tracks are obviously much better than the cinders I ran on in high school (the 60s). Still, for me anyway as an aging sprinter, they are more difficult than sprinting on roads with decent running shoes (where I feel like I'm flying).
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Love your channel, you have no idea how huge your videos help me in understanding the mechanics of sprinting, hope your channel grows so much bigger, respect bro! 🙏🏻
Thank you man, I really appreciate that. Also you a real one for checking out the vid so early. Got a lot of dope vids coming. 🙏🏻
BTW Jesse Owens was running on dirt track.....Bolt was running on soft, bouncy tarmac.....and even the Tokyo Olympic track was exceptionally bouncy reportedly by several pro athletes......point being, Jesse Owens was running in baggy pants and A shirt, on a dirt track, Bolt was running on a bouncy tarmac track in speedsuit that in itself can be 0.2 or 0.3 seconds advantage, so with today's standards Owens was running a 9.7 anyways....so Bolt after all, not that good that he should be afraid of "losing" his records, which he eventually will anyways....
yeah I think he's holding on it too tightly
Yeah holding it for more than a decade is already a really big brag
As a Kenyan watchiing this I die a little everytime you mention Kipchoge's name.
Unbelievable editing for a TH-camr. Must have taken you ages. Just subscribed.
Haha thanks and welcome to the Channel!
I continuously find myself on this channel. Love the content
Love the video and really good editing 😍🔥
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i actually run track and ill be aiming to run in the 2024 olympics as my first attempt n lemme tell you, the maxfly nike spikes do have a little bounce to it
You've been able to test them out? I haven't been able to find them anywhere.
@@TheSprintProject_ no i havnt been able to find those exact ones just the modified ones that are legal
@@pierresmith8175are you gonna run in the olympics?
Dude your editing and presentation is sick!
Thank you!
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I think shoe technology has always been advancing. Every time there's been a major step in technology, old records have fallen. Gotta keep up with the times.
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I don't get it. Sport's technology advances every time. It makes little by little changes but it is continuous. There is a huge difference between advancing the technology vs implementing a device that helps (which would be cheating). I honestly don't understand why it is controversial at all.
I'm buying my first spikes. Never had spikes before. On the tracks, what's the MINIMUM speed per mile I should be doing on the tracks so that they don't feel strange on my feet??
Anytime you're going all out they will be good. They can feel strange when going at slower speeds.
I think there should be a section of the Olympics where companies attempt to engineer the best technology for an event.
I understand they're illegal but is there a way to obtain them? I don't see why it would be a problem to just use them recreationally with your friends.
Deadass.... They're so cool I want them so bad 😞👊
@@countcxntessa I know. I'm already a fast runner but if I had these I would be unbeatable 😂
@@Rockonymous same 💯
i would be so fast in those things getting from the parking lot to menchie’s
Most likely you just can't compete in them, don't think that they're actually against the law
Its nice to see competition. I've always been interested in making shoes more useful then just slabs of rubber. I work in highly stressful inviroment where we are always on our feet. This technology will aid in my research and development on my project. To build I pair of shoes that at its core are for working out and running and are designed to be machine washable but the exo skeleton design will allow it to become more versatile by providing added benefits for harsh inviroments were toxic chemicals will be around along with heavy metals and a chance of an engine block falling on your feet not to mention long periods of walking running and standing waiting for something. They aren't finished and probably won't be for a while but when they are finished I plane to release the blueprints and design to everyone so you all can 3D print the components nessesary and buy the nessesary hardware to make your own.
Thanks bro
As a tradesman who works in chemical factories a lot, I am interested in trying these shoes. I use rubber boot covers but they rip very easily.
@huge_balls I would also like to know the chemicals your working with. I've been looking into what lab tables use for their protective liners. Usually it's a lot of plastics and paint coatings. I think kevlar will do well but may soak in the chemicals and cause rashes and iritation to the user. It may be best to just use a rubber attachment that wraps over the boot and provides a water tight seal. This will still break over time but will be cheaper then buying a brand new boot entirely over and over again. I'll have to look into testing this designe in the future and seeing how stream lined I can make it without compromising on the comfort of the user and the protection required for industrial tasks involving chemicals.
lol i love how the golf car cane back
This is such a dope vid!
Thank you!
Doping = providing energy not naturally present, these shoes don’t do that. Technology has always moved on, bolt wasn’t wearing the same shoes that the first 100m olympic champion won, nor on the same track, and definitely using better technology to analyse his race.
It seems like there’s a fine line between what’s fair and not fair because that’s true as technology evolves the athletes are able to benefit more from it.
What about how Nike has a history with ambush marketing which means that TheNew York Times, could’ve been paid to report the stats about the efficiency of the shoes. Not really defending Nike… just food for thought
random idea: there could be a “old school” track and field and a modern one with all the shoes and wavelight pacing
I can't help but laugh every time he tries to say Eliud Kipchoge's name
Yo can you review vktry insoles? By the way love your content!
I’ll look into them, and thank you Justin 🙏🏼
Amazing Video!
Thank you Ravi 🙏🏻
Super high quality video and very professional
Thank you
Theres a lot of factors that come into play when beating records running, the shoes might help in some instances by an extremely small amount, but if everything else arent on point the viperfly nikies wont make you win by themselves.
Bolt is tall super strong, crazy genetics, big legs and he can move like a 5ft guy, thats what makes him special, the shoes only add maybe 1% if that.
Now running marathons is different, the shoes little difference will always make a difference in the long run of 2 hours.
I bet the first time he ran 2hours 5 minutes without viperflys was a LOT harder than to be the 2 hour mark with viperflys.
I like everyone in the background that turns around because they don’t want to disturb the video
when equipment is too op and everyone calls for a nerf
At 1:33 thats my Home City Dresden 😱 in Saxony , Germany
3:30 LMAOOOOOOOOOO THE NAMEEEE HASHAHAHAHAHA
I love this channel.
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Why cant they just release them and certain event planners can just ban them? Im sure the general public would love a shoe that can make them run faster for the casual run.
Great video.
"air zoom pods" - bruh, im dying
they did a whole press run about the future of zoom, which included the Breaking2 project. But due to Covid like many things, everything was delayed. They even have basketball shoes from that announcement finally getting released such as the GT line
another example of this was bringing back zoom into the Nike football line, well that boot never even released or saw a production cycle, the next iteration of the mercurial was built of that prototype
“Kip - oh - gee” lololol
As much as I appreciate the informative content of this video, I do not think it is okay to not mispronounce Kipchoge as many times as was done here. I believe great research, time and effort has been put into this video, therefore, even just a fraction of that time should have gone into learning how to pronounce his name right. KIPOGI/ Kipogee sounds nothing like Kipchoge. I understand that it can be hard to pronounce names that one may not be used to, but given the amount of marathon content and videos of Kipchoge I see and having watched some of them myself, I know the pundits and the commentators mention his name numerous times. you could have at least drawn from there. However, I still appreciate what I have learnt from this video. This is just my feedback
Late to the party here but I totally agree lol, dude could have spent literally 2 minutes learning to pronounce Kipchoge. The mispronounciation invalidates the credibility of what would otherwise have been a really good and informative video.
@@thechrix2500 His use of Reagan, Bush Sr and their war mongering cronies laughing at 2:33 is far more problematic than common mispronunciations.
nice job good video bro
Elioud Kipchoge is a big name for Nike running shoes
the dudes name at 3:30 lmfaooooo
as sports science moves forward, so will new tech to assist in the sports. always have been and always will
Where do you buy the Nike viper fly air zoom cleats I can’t find them anywhere
They didn't release
Everybody gangsta until Husain Bolt wear Crocs in sports mode
I have the Nike zoom fly fives and they are great when I’m running 400s and 800
There needs to be one for sprinters too where they try to run the first sub 19 200m
@nike
Sprint shoes are always for 100-400m
I think they did the right thing to set rules and limits within a shoe can be designed. And as in most sports, see cycling or even motorsports: when something new seems to give advantage to some few athletes only, rules have to be adapted to ensure a fair competition. Other reasons are of course to limit the money have to be spent to be competitive.
Bro kept on saying “KipOge”🤣🤦♂️
All forms of racing are about technological improvement, it doesn't undermine how great of a runner Usain Bolt was it just allows current sprinters to push the limit even further.
Which type of shoes can I use for
High jump
3:30 his name LOLLL
As soon as you see how they work, it makes sense why they're banned from official track events.
Good video!
Thank you 🙏🏻
3:31 why did you put this in the vid XDD
Bolt has the technique AND the speed! Not many sprinters have both to break his records!
no way he quotes someone with that username at 3:30 😂
Like a moto gp, everyone can use advance tech but still use the same tire. nba also does the same for shoe technology so that players don't cheat when jumping
Best infomercial ever
tell them to cut that check
you have to divide time by the rate of improvement plus 1, old time = space/velocity --> new time = space/new velocity = space/velocity(1+improvement) = old time / (1+improvement). The results will not change thought, because 1/1+x tends to 1-x for small x
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I caught the same mistake and called him out on it.
his name is Kipchoge!!! Goddammit!
Where i can buy that shoes
to get the number that is less by 3% than the original number just multiply the original number by .97
Shoes should be given by Olympics...
Give them all super shoes
@@TheSprintProject_ for real then everyone can use their current maximum potential
But then they would not get sponsership deals by brands. No money would divert athletes from track to let's say some other sport.
Hey bro do you think you could go over a video on how to mentally prepare for a race or bounce back from bad races
I feel like I’ve hit a wall in my times and I could really use the help thanks 🙏
How long have you been in this low point?
@@TheSprintProject_ sadly The last three comps. I’m trying so hard to break 12 sec in 100m but I just don’t know how. Have u got any tips at all
@@adomakuoko5350 Send me footage of your sprint technique sculptedbycesar@gmail.com
The shoes are available, saw them at rebel sports in australia the other day
Btw as a Kenyan his name is Eliud KIP-CHO-Ge
Either the Olympics make a regulation shoe or make them run without them.
The problem with the second option is that current records can't be remeasured and would have to remain untouched or in a separate with-shoe category. Running on track barefoot is also not exactly the most comfortable thing to do.
If they did this for track it would make sense they do it for other events like swimming too but swimmers can't just swim naked unless they really wanted too.
So if they're so picky about technology they should either make regulation equipment, and or create a new separate category which allows all types of technologies. This makes it similar to Formula 1 racing where the cars themselves are always improving year after year alongside each other. However that is a lot more oriented around technology which is why I think making 2 categories, 1 controlled technology and 1 open technology category would allow sponsors and sports companies to further running technology not just for elite athletes and olympians but also the general public.
Were they ever for sale or just samples
" elid Kipogee " lol
One of the craziest marketing, and it's free. Whoever designed that should get a promotion.
I believe show and clothing have changed enough from the first record of any competition. So, I feel that are legal.
But it wasn't available for every single athletes that compete on the same category. maybe it will be changed if only everyone has the same equipment.
How he prounonces his name hahahah oh my gosh🤣🤣🤣
It's like TAS in speed running community. The athletic community should've put two different categories in the future. The 'OG' where people didn't use something that could assist them like dopping, this shoes etc and the 'Assisted' race, where people use that banned shit like crazy.
The features inside the viperfly "fang" that make it faster than anything else act like a spring. If those shoes were legal all the Sprint records would be smashed in less than 2 years.
What about aerodynamic advantages from track suits?
Are the Nike Maxfly’s pretty much the same thing?
slightly less propolsive but everyone is trying to copy and a lot of elites have customised nike uppers to look like there own sponsored shoe at a glance
This would be a great video
If there weren’t an ad every 2 seconds
3:31 HAHAHHAHA his name
They should have some scale for shoe performance, so runners will be using roughly equivalent technologies. If one type of shoe....or track surface.....gives an advantage not respective of the individual runner, then how can you credit that runner with the record? You can't.
10:10 That's why Ancient Greeks where competing naked in Olympics 😉 They were more wise than what we are now.
6:20 ish You should know that the Marathon world record was held by Dennis Kimetto and was 2 hours, 2 minutes and 57 seconds. That is almost 3% slower than Kipchoge's best of 1 hour, 59 minutes and 40 seconds. 7180s/7377s is roughly 2.67%. Also not even one athlete runs the marathon and has surpassed Kimetto's previous world record without wearing Nike's shoe. Also Dennis wore adidas adizero adios which did not have a carbon plate nor air spring loaded pockets.
5% faster is not 5% less time. Following the logic you used, if it was 100% faster, it would take 0 seconds to finish the run
Well there are many videos showing the difference by experience with high level athletes, some of them love them and some were into the classics, so it is not really cheating...