Jose Martinez - Based on the purest definition;which is how I defined Christianity Islam is also a cult. So when you hear these evangelicals declare everyone except them a cult, remind yourself how absolutely wrong they are. If anyone behaves with a cult mentality, they do.
@@DM-bu6to And yet they could easily outsmart and out argue you. So what does that say about you you half-witted, obtuse, imbecilic, doltish moron! Oh, i am sorry, i bet you couldn't even understand most of what I wrote, as your comment shows you have the vernacular of a 5 year old.
I have been a Mormon my whole life. Most people locally are well meaning. My son left the church a few weeks ago after a horrific missionary experience with the Portland Oregon Mission president. He told me he wanted to leave but when I tried to bring my child home the mission president refused to allow me to pick him up, refused to give me an address to have him picked up and refused to provide me with a means to bring him home until I called the police. Mission President instructed the other missionaries in the home to not allow my child to leave which is technically a hostage situation and a crime. I complained through proper church channels but church leadership swept my concerns under the rug. I never thought of my religion as a cult until this incident with higher ranking church authorities.
Report it to lower levels and higher levels than what you are the Church is aware that these things are happening, and that’s why they made a big deal of it at the last conference, and form pf abuse or abusiveness won’t be tolerated. They straight up said anyone who is doing things, they’re going to get excommunicated.
@@anhingathing2382 I reported it to the local leadership and my area leadership. The problem here is the person who is responsible for the abuse is at a higher level so the local and area leadership refused to contact anyone higher to report my issue. I heard the official church stance on it during conference as you stated but that is not what I observed while trying to report the abuse. I think they are more than willing to discipline lower level leadership while letting the higher level leadership do what they please. I agree with you that is what should happen and is what the church stated would happen but I don’t see them actually practicing what they just preached.
@@JC-vj2wh How long ago did you report this as well? Another thing could be that they're trying to investigate the issue further. It could also be that the Area presidency doesn't have authority to move forward with anything until they're told they can from their higherups, even then I think there's room for some concern, as if it's been more than it's fair share of time, then the abuse cases aren't being prioritized by those members.
@@anhingathing2382 this one was pretty severe. I would think it would have been a pretty high priority. If I had someone hold another individual against their will and refuse to allow the person freedom, I would have that at the top of my investigation list. I would deal with the Mission President immediately. I reported it in October to area leadership and was just told “well I don’t know why he would do that but I’m sure he wishes he would have handled it differently.” Very indifferent and had a tone of not wanting to pursue it any further. I reported it in October the day after it happened. Maybe they are looking into it as you say? I have been very disappointed with my interactions with church leaders about this issue. If I had done this outside of the church, I would have been arrested and charged with a crime immediately.
I worked for years with many Mormons. I don’t know much about their theology, but they were some of the most humble, kind and giving people I’ve ever met. I didn’t meet a single brainwashed cultist who tried to convert me.
People are inherently good and nice. Meeting friendly mormons in your life gives no relevance to the truth of their religion or indeed their morality. In the case of the latter it’s especially true as no person should have to believe religious doctrine in order to do good
I talked to a Mormon from Salt Lake City who was doing his MIssionary work in Northern Ontario Canada trying to convert the locals and natives.. They were really nice. We talked about the play book of Mormon. They liked it. I talked about South Park with them. They didnt seem to like SP very much lol. They gave me a bible and I couldnt throw it out. It just felt wrong. So it sits on top on my entertainment center with a Buddha lol
Burn the religions icons... Not because I'm some extremist.. But just because if there is a God, it's sending him the message to come talk to you himself if he wants you XD
@@josephsherman5288 What do you think the book is? It's God wanting to talk to you, but the real reason you burn it is because you don't actually want to listen.
@@johnb5254 nope I only seen good things and like I said I can only speak positively about it. Then again I say every area of it is different. Alot of nice people in the church I went to so I use to feel great coming out of there on a sunday
I have been a member of the church for almost a year now. One of the reasons why I joined the church was because they were genuinely nice people and convinced me what I was taught were real. But here is my first problem: I didn’t even know if I was making the right decision to get baptized because I still had doubts. And according to them, they would, supposedly, know if someone is ready to be baptized or not. A missionary had a conversation with me before I got baptized to see if I was qualified, which I passed. But to me, it felt like any test you would have in school, as long as you get the answers right, then you pass. Furthermore, they keep telling people to pray to God if you have any questions, if your prayer and desire is sincere, you will receive the answer. Well, not a single question I had was being answered. Something I figured out lately that Christians are confirmation bias, meaning if you are looking for something to happen, and if anything then happens, that must be it, coming from god. For example, you have worked so hard to get something you desire. You finally got it, but because you believed it to be God’s gift, you disregard all the hard work you put into it, instead giving God all the credits. There was a time when I was bothered by the thought that if the church is not true, then how come everyone around me believed it to be true? Then I came to realization that most of them grew up with it, or indoctrinated since a young age. That’s how they view the world, telling them that their world view is not correct is an impossible task. When it comes to Science, most of them have this sort of selective amnesia where they agree with biology, physics stuff but completely in against with stuff like evolution, radiocarbon dating, etc.. The more I think about it the less convincing the LDS Church is to me, thought I found the real one(there are none, there is no heavenly entities), turned out to be just like other churches. Wish I had learned that earlier. Recently, I have been watching videos that debunk Christianity and Religion in general, and I couldn’t agree more with what them videos been saying. I still go to church every Sunday and participate in their activities, but I don’t feel it anymore, if I had ever felt anything in the first place when I joined the church.
I’m a non Mormon but played hockey in Salt Lake when I was younger and spent a year there. The people were extremely nice and helpful. Yes they had large families and many beautiful Mormon girls wouldn’t marry outside their religion, tho I’d offer to convert they’d all say they didn’t want me to convert just for them. Still, an awesome helpful people. My truck broke down on freeway and in 5 minutes literally 20 passerby’s stopped to help me. Also a cop pulled me over once for weaving and recognized me and let me go asking if I could get him tickets. I remember it because I never did get him those tickets…20 years later.
as a lot of religious fundamentalists are. Just because they are humble, kind and giving does not mean they are not in a cult. Its part of their MO, part of the cult behavior
They probably thought you were Mormon. Mormon's were friendly, until I told them I wasn't Mormon, then they avoided talking to me. Every time I visit SLC and Provo, I get a creepy feeling, like I'm an outsider. Its not a cult, just a weird closed social group, not a religion. Joe Smith had many scams going while starting the Mormon church. He was a crooked contractor, investor, etc and just wanted to get rich. State of Ohio had plenty of evidence of stealing $thousands from people, but he gained such a following with religion, they forced JS to leave the State and never come back. Visit SLC and see the teenagers living on the street. The church told their parents to kick them out until they repent. Many other weird things.
@@WhiteArtsMagic I’m not saying that these Mormons weren’t helping out of good intention but your exactly right it’s still a cult reminds me of what this one TH-camr said “The absence of evil is not an indication for the presence of good” - Dry Creek Wrangler
My favorite cult would have to be the Amish. Here's a group of people who had some crazy beliefs, and so they went off and minded their own business. Perfect. (Okay, some people complain that their buggies damage public roads from time to time, but the way I see it, our cars are polluting the planet that they live on, so it's kind of an even trade.)
At least the hommish make food, rugs, and clothes for the outside community. These Mormons just try and ruin laws. They own half of Vegas for a reason.
As a former Mormon I’m surprised how much Rogan knows about Joseph Smith. To spit out his age at a certain year off the top of his head was pretty impressive
@@scottmolis4267 l was an active Mormon for 50 + years....born ln the "covenant", mission, BYU, bishopric, temple married, etc., etc. Would you consider ME to be an "authorlty"...as long as l didn't say anything negative about Mormonism? (l reslgned my LDS membershlp 20+ years ago.)
@Dub You said “As a former Mormon I’m surprised how much Rogan knows about Joseph Smith.” Rogan practically knows nothing about Joseph Smith and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day. He’s just trying to be impressive to maintain his reputation of a commentator of sorts on the Internet, with the other guy just playing second fiddle. How about you, Dub? What’s your story? Obviously you know very little of the Church. How long have you been a member? We’re you even an active member who paid tithing? What made you leave, and which church, if any, do you go to now? What’s your story?
I'm an active Mormon and have been my whole life. Honestly as a member i'm not looking to convert people wherever I go, honestly i'd rather just not talk religion most of the time anyway. I'm literally just trying to live my life the best I can. If you want to hang out, awesome, lets do it. Want to go to a bar? Awesome lets do it, I'll be your driver. Need help with something? Cool I'll try my best to be there. Some of the comments too talk about shunning other people that aren't LDS (Mormon) I think some of it comes from us LDS people feeling uncomfortable when people are talking bad about the religion in front of them anytime someone comes up and I don't think its probably a consious thing, just that people who talk bad about your morals and religion isn't something that makes me want to hang out with that person. I'm all for jokes and stuff, but its exhausting always trying to defend beliefs all the time. My kids go and hang out with kids in our neighborhood who aren't religious and we're friendly with the parents too. We're normal people trying to live normal lives too. I'll let my kids believe what they want, and ask questions on what they want.
I’m a devout Christian and what I have to say is you need to repent,get away from Mormonism,it’s a Cultic false religion.And if you choose not to you’re on the broad path to destruction.
That hurts a lot coming from someone who doesn't understand when to use the correct you're. I grew up in Utah and certainly know where Colorado City is located, look it up!
I live like an hour away from Colorado city and sometimes when I drive through the city I get curious and look at all the houses in the small town once I’ve looked at the majority of the houses and markets in the town I notice cars following behind me it’s not necessarily “scary” it’s just eery as fuck. I also work at a plant nursery and a lot of our customers are polygamists and the way they dress is funny as hell it’s like an Olden day “costume” it’s pretty weird that I have to type/ explain all of this weird shit because this is literally my everyday life.
I was going to ask a question about that be cause a) Colorado City in CO is nowhere near the CO-UT border and b) Colorado City is not a Mormon town (I used to live less than 20 miles away).
@Kenzie K Wonderful. Definitely not the Colorado City in CO. It was pretty quiet when I was living nearby. This Colorado City sounds like somewhere no one except a FLDS member would want to go.
@Will iam Most are. I was a mormon missionary and have paid attention to mormon growth tactics since. "White people" don't become mormon anymore. More seem to be leaving than joining (like myself). The only people who join in USA are Mexicans and abroad outside of the USA are Africans.
@@shawnreed7876 Also that's not really true, I think by now there's a greater LDS population outside of the US than inside, but in American churches there's a very high white demographic. Not because we're white supremacists or anything, anyone should be able to join any church and it's the same with us, just because it started only 200 years ago in Utah.
@@WiloPolis03 It is most definitely true. Look at the numbers. White people don't become mormons. More whities leave than join. Soon Latinos will stop joining as well. Most of the mormon church's current and future growth will be in Africa but eventually that will slow as well. Joseph smith's church has done remarkably well but as will all things, the pedofile's church will eventually die.
I am born Mormon and still go sometimes. I have to go cause of my father. Mormons are nice and I don’t think it’s bad, but it’s not right for me. Im starting to question and being Mormon doesn’t let me express who I truly am and it doesn’t make me happy. I will probably still go to the Mormon church until I am old enough to say “I’m leaving.” I just believe in God and the basics. I don’t want anything complicated
WARREN IS THE ONLY PROPHET WHO COMMUNICATES WITH GOD. LOL NOT!!!! DO FLDS ACTUALLY THINK THIS BIZARE! YOU STAY IN YOUR COMPOUNDS THE WORLDLY WORLD IS EVIL YOU STAY IN YOUR NICE COMPOUNDS LOL
Around 9th-10th grade I had a good friend who was Mormon. He was devout and i actually went to their church a couple time as well as some youth events. Nicest ppl ever !! Their beliefs are wacky af but they do treat others nicely
@@jeffs4483 yeah they have told me some weird ass shit man. I appreciate them not being assholes about me being an atheist but they were pretty weird with beliefs for sure
@Steve D ...not so much. Unless you're potentially baptizable OR a neighbor, local merchant, etc. - you'll get a pass, but no "recommend" (insider joke 4 LDS & NoMo's)!! But hey... we all gotta' serve SOMEbody.
I converted to the LDS Church a couple of years ago. It was one of the best choices I have ever made. Through the Church I met some of the most decent people ever. I dont drink any alcohol or smoke, have become very disciplined in everything. I have become more compassionate towards others. Thanks to God and the LDS Church. A perfect church!!!
Apostle J Reuben Clark said: "If we have the truth, no harm can come from investigation." Please read the CES Letter and discover what you need to know...
giving away 10 percent of your income sure does displine you huh, can do all of that outside of the church and save that money, or actually spread the gospel instead of the book of "golden plates". Heaven is forever free, it will never require your 10 percent to get in, to your surprise god actually donest care about money, also polygamy is adultery.......
Alright, here's my fact-checking of Joe and the other guy: I love joe Rogans podcast, but when this needs serious correction: 1.) they are not careful enough on differentiating mainstream Mormonism from fundamental Mormonism. The former condemns the latter for their polygamy practice and is not similar to the latter much at all. 2.) guy on the right is absolutely false, the so to speak polygamy revelation is not in the Book of Mormon and the revelation that other witnesses signed to testify of was not the marriage revelation but the gold plates of the Book of Mormon. Nowhere in the same ballpark Joseph didn't start the religion at 14, that was when he was very thoughtful about religion and claimed the beginning of his heavenly visions. The Book of Mormon came when he was 23, and many other parts of the religion gradually came for the 15 years after that. Guy on the right mischaracterizes Joseph's "trouble with the law". Look at every case and it was largely a matter of religious intolerance. The Mormons had an extermination order against them from the government of missouri, the federal government didn't defend them while acknowledging this injustice, and the governor of Illinois knowingly permitted Joseph to be put in a jail with too few guards that could be overrun by a mob and end in his death, which is what happened, he was not murdered for justified reasons. I'm sorry but painting the federal government as the innocent and purely fair party and Joseph as some rough lawless scoundrel is very ignorant of the historical context. Religious intolerance drove their persecution, and I don't think other religions would ever receive this same lazy mischaracterization I think this whole, Brigham young had to move west to evade federal authorities. We don't characterize the pilgrims as a cult that had to leave England to avoid just law enforcement, they left cause of religious intolerance and so did the Mormons. The Scientology comparisons to Mormonism being anywhere in the same ballpark shows a serious lack of anything more than a superficial understanding of Mormons. Look up the essays "Are Christians Mormon?" That's shows how Christian orthodoxy has actually followed mormon theology on several major points now in the 21st century, so the cult label isn't fitting when non Mormon scholars recognize the impressive substance of Mormon theology and when mainstream Christianity now aligns with it on several points. I like joe's concession at the end that most Mormons are really good people. The question must then be asked, can good fruit come from a bad tree? I get if people don't want to believe in the supernaturalism surrounding some of Joseph smiths claims, but there must be other admirable parts of the religion that is producing such good people and motivating people to be so Christlike. And for some reason ppl prefer to focus on the controversial rather than the mainstream
@@toyconnoisseur4948 lol people who get that flustered by the CES letter are people who don't know how to think for themselves. I've read it many times and am not bothered by it at all, there are a ton of flaws in it, and I know enough about Lds history and theology to know what's a valid attack and what's lazy. and most of it is the latter. I'm not saying gospel doctrine is be all end all, but you're ignoring volumes of scholarship on these subjects in the name of you didn't learn it in Sunday school. Grow up and teach yourself. Most people bothered by CES letter were people who never took their own learning upon themselves. So if its trust issue with the church cause of that fine I get that, but don't act like the CES letter is an impressive document, once you get out of your angsty teen phase you'll realize how irrelevant it was all along.
@Kenzie K Yea you don't seem like someone who has an open mind to discuss this topic, you seem waaaay to arrogant and overconfident about your positions. Also, your disbelief of 21st century converging with mormon theology positions shows your vast ignorance of the actual literature, which tells me that your "big brains" on this subject, really came from a few TH-cam videos and a few websites. Talk to me when you've actually read the professional scholarly literature, and get off the amateur blogs. You've already shown me you're not interested in having a serious discussion, but just want to vent off your anger so you feel a bit better about whatever insecurities are bothering you.
@@louccideavon7116 The big hitter in the CES letter is the book of Abraham. I’m not sure why you would attack a paper that is helping people escape a cult… lol
The difference between a religion and a cult is that a cult always has strings attached, as in: they want your money and free labor. True religion is about philosophy and spirituality
You don't find "true religion" in an organized church, only in individuals. I think people fail to understand that the word cult isn't always similar to what you see in the movies. With that said, a religion cannot be a cult, BUT all cults are religious.
Dude, I've got more beef than most with the LDS church, but many of your "facts" are incorrect. Firstly, Joseph Smith was killed in Illinois, not Missouri. The affidavit in the introduction to the Book of Mormon is not about polygamy. The FLDS sect was led by Warren Jeffs. Colorado City is near the boarder of Utah and Arizona, not Colorado. And you say you've been there?
Technically, all religions are "cults" in the original Greek definition of the word, as "cult" referred to a small body (what is called a congregation) of worshipers who gathered in private to perform religious rites of worship for their deities.
@@guidomonto3742 Not true.. even what happens in the temples is written in the scriptures that ALL are encouraged to read. The words the movements.. etc.. it's all over the internet as well. There are even classes that are taught to members regarding what takes place in the temples. Nothing is a SECRET but we hold these things SACRED. There are 'rituals, rights' etc. in almost every ancient religion and tribes throughout the world. In the Temple in Jerusalem, there were clothing that was worn, words spoken, offerings given and places in the temple that only the Holy of Holies good go... I'm Jewish and from the Church of Jesus Christ. I have been in the Temple many times. Wonderful things take place there that bring families together such as marriages for all time AND eternity. Jesus said that whatsoever man binds on earth in only for this life time but whatsoever is bound by God is for eternity. I would want to have my children for all time and eternity... Baptism for the dead.. Christ when talking the Pharisees gave them a lesson about the resurrection. They didn't believe in the resurrection but they baptized the dead. Christ said, why baptized the dead if the dead rise not at all. He was trying to get them to understand that YES.. the dead are going to rise and they still needed to be baptized. This church is not the first in history that baptized the dead by proxy. Same with sealing of deceased family members to living so that the family lineage through time are still together for all eternity. This has been done through history as discovered through ancient writings and archeological research. So why is what my church doing so wrong? Because people don't understand it? People fear it? Because we are a peculiar people? Christ made it clear that the saving ordinance that are performed for the living must also be performed for the dead. There is an organization to everything that God does.. he is not a God of chaos. As far as 'ranking' up in the church.. there is no such thing. A man may be 'called' or 'set apart' through prayer and inspiration by a Stake President to become a Bishop of his ward.. He is only a Bishop for 4-7 years and then is replaced and he goes back into the normal congregation. A stake President is 'set apart' in that position for up to 9 years and then he is released and goes back into the normal congregation. These people in the church do not get paid but volunteer their time and it can take quite a bir of time. There is no compensation given. Someone who is 'set apart' serves in that position for a set period of time and then is released. An Apostle, the Prophet and the Patriarchs are 'ordained' into those positions for the remainder of their life. They don't 'rank' up. When the Prophet dies, yes.. it's USUALLY the president of the 12 apostles who become the next prophet but that is not always the case. The 12 apostles go to a room in the temple and they fast and pray as to who the LORD wants to be the next prophet.. not man. See, in Jewish history, it was usually the eldest son who received the Birthright and blessing from their father. This was tradition... But you will find that it was not always the case when God wanted a particular son to become the next Prophet. Esau should have but it went to Jacob, Ephraim received Joseph's but Joseph received Jacob's. God will choose who He chooses, whether a son of Pharoah who was slow of speech, had killed, had sexual relations, etc. or a 14 year old farm boy with a 3rd grade education. There is a great deal the public doesn't know about this church because there are so many people spreading lies or misconseptions.. This is not a SECRET organization.. we don't worship satan, the prophets or any other 'thing' or person.. Just Jesus Christ. Thus the name of the church.. THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST of latter day saints. By the way.. you can find that name and phrase in the dead sea scrolls found in 1947 in a cave on the coast of the Dead Sea.. How did a 14 year old boy know about that name in a scroll that was from the 3rd century BCE and found almost 100 years after his death... there is so much more that you all don't know or understand but I am more than happy to debunk your debunking. Ask me...
@@Abby-pd3rx it's bad when it forces people to live in a sense of false reality that if you join us you'll be happy. While the leaders reap all the benefits. Not everybody is so easy to submit. Nor like LIVING A LIE.
Just FYI, I have never, in 46 years of being immersed in LDS culture, heard anyone mention paying tithing on capital gains or profits of a home sale. I'm sure some LDS do this, but that's the minority; the hardcore. It's just never come up in thousands of LDS sermons or Sunday School lessons, and not doing this is certainly nothing Mormon leadership would ever call you out on.
bigbigbigdoug I feel you ,I have been to many congregations in many states ,such as all around Florida (Deltona ,Daytona,Miami,Tallahassee)and NYC,and NJ,l have never seen such things
They have 130 BILLION in assets PEAK INVESTMENTS look it up! HIDDEN! Tisk tisk would be have to ask for your money when you have more than most fortune 500's. Bishop it's time to pay your tithing and if it's not an honest tithting no temple for your or salvation. SHIT you out top heaven. Not a cult lol
Then you weren't listening very carefully, if I'm honest. The rule is 10% of _ALL_ income, which includes things like capital gains. More specifically, tithing is paid on your "increase", rather than just work-related and similar incomes, though as far as my mother was concerned they were the same thing. When I was a kid, my mother would very very sternly encourage me to pay tithing on my $5 of weekly pocket money, which had already been tithed as it came from her income, but as far as she was concerned it was income for me (an increase to the balance of my piggy bank) so the commandment was that I pay a 50c tithe. "If the money comes in, it's income" she'd say, which is why she insisted that relatives not give me cash for Christmas and birthday presents, because she didn't think it was very uplifting for me to be paying tithing on my Christmas gifts. More recently, in our ward we actually had someone ask the Elders Quorum President (a few years ago now) during a lesson on tithing whether he was supposed to pay tithing on the sale of his house, which was in settlement, and the president said he wasn't sure but he assumed so because it was a form of income. That prompted a discussion on whether the elder in question needed to pay tithing on the whole sale or only the increase from its original purchase value, and we resolved it was the latter as he'd originally bought the house rather than inherited it. He was actually surprised about it because he'd assumed he needed to pay tithing on the full sale, so he was glad the spirit had prompted him to bring it up. This is the only time I've ever heard of anyone discussing the minutiae of tithing payments, whether in lessons or even just in conversation, so I can understand that you would have never heard of anyone mention tithing on capital gains and the like. But I think this is more a case of Church leadership assuming that members will understand and honestly follow the rule that tithing it to be paid on "all income" or their "increase" rather than any wilful attempt by leaders or membership to subvert the rules on tithing in regards to extraordinary income.
@@michaelheliotis5279 @Michael Heliotis I stand by my assertion that this hasn't been something that's been emphasized specifically. To be real, I have avoided elders' quorum almost completely for years . . mostly to avoid ultra-conservative douchecanoes trying to insist on defining the finer aspects of various doctrines for everyone else. And I have no empirical evidence regarding the percentage of LDS that would stick to the letter of the law regarding tithing to the extent of applying it to capital gains on houses . . it's just my impression based on decades of being around people. If I had to reason it out, in most cases I sell a house, but then I'm buying another house, so it's not like I'm pocketing the difference. Yes, it would still be an "increase" . . but I don't see anyone being denied a temple recommend because they moved, made a profit on the sale of their home, and didn't pay tithing on the profit. That would be one hard-core bishop demanding that.
@@douglasderu980 I don't disagree with you that it's not emphasised very much, I'm just saying the the Church's leadership probably just takes it for granted that people pay their tithing the way they're supposed to. And I don't think it's unreasonable for them to make that assumption, as most people who've obtained a financial position that affords them regular capital gains are likely to understand that they should be paying tithing on them. So anyone who isn't is very obviously cheating the Lord. I agree that you won't find a bishop who'll grind you over your once in a decade house sale, but if you're a career landlord who buys and sells houses all over the place, he'd be a pretty negligent bishop if he wasn't taking an interest in your capital gains.
2:45 the signed statement he's referring to was about them claiming to have seen the golden plates. Joe Rogan then says Joseph Smith 'started it all out when he was 14' but Joseph Smith only claimed he had a vision then maybe a decade later. Back then Joseph Smith was doing things like treasure digging. 8:17, the church actually still have some (or all) of the stones it was the golden plates that were claimed to have been brought up to heaven. Again, all super close and impressive that he knows so much about Mormonism.
Joe Rogan, I always support the fact that if you need something about someone, you should go directly to the person and ask. Seriously, the man you invited learned about Mormonism through some kind of cartoons ... it has no sense at all on the things he said.
There is some amazing people in the lds community, but let me tell you there are a few horrific people in that church and the titing isn't used for good they don't help no members at all
When I know what happens on the missions, during the endowments, growing up etc. I question the sanity of people who came out of that fine. They're liars
the government dosnt care about welfare and certainly didn’t when churches got tax exempt status. they don’t pay taxes because of how much the us government is corrupted by religion
The average church only gives 7 to 8 percent to charity- the rest goes to church infrastructure- church outreach- church services- buildings, land, schools, most goes directly back to church hierarchy!! Churches are the worse way to use your money if you want to give for charity/ most charitable organizations have 80 to 90 percent going directly to charity!! And churches don’t get rated like non profits do!! Non profit organizations are transparent don’t they can get a rating- churches are secretive- and many like tv evangelists are corrupt
I used to be Mormon. There's some good stuff, but their secrecy, patriarchy, finances, policies with LGBTQ+, and their psychological power over people are very disturbing.
@@johnlee1352 Except in this case , your the one protecting the money changers; given that the church has about $120 billion and uses only about 6% of the interest in that for charity while requiring the poor to tithe before buying food for their kids. Great work!
@@fatheratum5033 If you were LDS, thanks for leaving voluntarily. If you never were LDS, thanks for staying out. We don't need the weakness and confusion.
So disappointed with Joe on this. So many errors in all their assumptions. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. This church does so much good in the world. Joe why not bring a real member of this church on your show, and get facts, read the Book of Mormon also. And remember ye shall know them by their fruits
@@johnrobert2072 You know nothing yet you think you know everything. Why don't you educate yourself versus just making stupid comments. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints has been extremely wise with the money they receive. They have in vested, etc. They own the worlds largest ranch, have to largest food program in the world to feed the hungry. I have used this program instead of the gov program of food stamps. etc. Nothing was required to receive it, and only stipulation is that I was seeking work (church has one of the best employment programs in the world, which got me a job), and pay tithing if I could (not required). They build beautiful temples and houses of worship only for the use of spiritual matters. We have weddings there that cost zero. If I am ever in trouble on any level they are there to help. I could tell you benefit after benefit. And poor me for all this I pay 10% of my income to it if I want and once a month I give up the price of two meals to feed the hungry if I want. This churches programs is not like the government where it is wasted, it is used wisely.
@@cj8899 Actually its 200 billion. Much of the wealth is in property such as churches and temples, farms, ranches (to feed the poor), food storage facilities called Bishop Store Houses to feed and cloth the poor, preservation of historical sites, etc. It is not money just sitting in the bank. My father once needed a surgery and had little money so the church stepped in and helps. I could give you story after story. So maybe instead of just being critical, maybe become informed and learn all the amazing good they do with what the Lord has blessed them and me as a member of that wonderful church. This is what bothers me about what Joe and this guy are saying about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They are both so ill informed, related to Joseph Smith. etc. Joseph was not banging a 14 year old girl, there is no proof of that. DNA test of ancestors have not shown truth of this. Yes we lived the law of polygamy for a short time, like many did during Bible times, and like today, which is about 54 percent of the worlds population. The problem today is with groups who practice it and abuse it. Please become informed and let us fight evil where it really exists, primarily on the Left and the real alt right.
He was also chased out of Ohio, and left in the middle of the night, but not before torching the building that had all the records of his wrongdoing. Ohio is where he had the FAKE bank that was illegal; he created it after the state turned down his request to create a bank.
Being a Mormon, it’s like when folks accuse rogan of being in on a conspiracy or being controlled and he knows the truth about his own position but the opinions of others will remain. It’s all good, but I don’t talk jiujitsu technique because I’d sound foolish to anybody with more experience or practice than myself, vice versa....
Jason YoMama my sympathies for your negative experiences... I’m sure you’ve found zero deception or imperfections in your continued attempts at fulfillment and a happy life elsewhere...
Jason YoMama What makes magic underwear not OK? What makes symbolism wrong? You know for a fact that I can show you countless number of happy successful men and women and happy marriages and with happy kids who are in happy marriages and so on and you can point to some Bad examples as well. So who cares? I could point to good and bad examples of all in any and every type of people individual or group. , you have a mind that is triggered by Someone else’s underwear and preferred spiritual symbols and rituals... I can assure you that you think about other peoples underwear a lot more than more mormons buddy... I wish you very sexy underwear fantasies
... Except you don't have to be a mormon to know Joseph Smith was a felon, a known fraud and a conman, who had dozens of wives, some dangerously young.
Taylor Rogers Alright, here's my fact-checking of Joe and the other guy: I love joe Rogans podcast, but when this needs serious correction: 1.) they are not careful enough on differentiating mainstream Mormonism from fundamental Mormonism. The former condemns the latter for their polygamy practice and is not similar to the latter much at all. 2.) guy on the right is absolutely false, the so to speak polygamy revelation is not in the Book of Mormon and the revelation that other witnesses signed to testify of was not the marriage revelation but the gold plates of the Book of Mormon. Nowhere in the same ballpark Joseph didn't start the religion at 14, that was when he was very thoughtful about religion and claimed the beginning of his heavenly visions. The Book of Mormon came when he was 23, and many other parts of the religion gradually came for the 15 years after that. Guy on the right mischaracterizes Joseph's "trouble with the law". Look at every case and it was largely a matter of religious intolerance. The Mormons had an extermination order against them from the government of missouri, the federal government didn't defend them while acknowledging this injustice, and the governor of Illinois knowingly permitted Joseph to be put in a jail with too few guards that could be overrun by a mob and end in his death, which is what happened, he was not murdered for justified reasons. I'm sorry but painting the federal government as the innocent and purely fair party and Joseph as some rough lawless scoundrel is very ignorant of the historical context. Religious intolerance drove their persecution, and I don't think other religions would ever receive this same lazy mischaracterization I think this whole, Brigham young had to move west to evade federal authorities. We don't characterize the pilgrims as a cult that had to leave England to avoid just law enforcement, they left cause of religious intolerance and so did the Mormons. The Scientology comparisons to Mormonism being anywhere in the same ballpark shows a serious lack of anything more than a superficial understanding of Mormons. Look up the essays "Are Christians Mormon?" That's shows how Christian orthodoxy has actually followed mormon theology on several major points now in the 21st century, so the cult label isn't fitting when non Mormon scholars recognize the impressive substance of Mormon theology and when mainstream Christianity now aligns with it on several points. I like joe's concession at the end that most Mormons are really good people. The question must then be asked, can good fruit come from a bad tree? I get if people don't want to believe in the supernaturalism surrounding some of Joseph smiths claims, but there must be other admirable parts of the religion that is producing such good people and motivating people to be so Christlike. And for some reason ppl prefer to focus on the controversial rather than the mainstream
Most normal people are ignorant to LDS cult members. ONly Cult members are more ignorant than just about anyone else on LDS subject SAD www.wivesofjosephsmith.org Question everything the cult tells you
@@johnrobert2072 lol I never denied the original church practicized polygamy and I'm very aware of my religion. This is where accuracy about representation is important and that was Joe's error, even though he also goofed up on a lot of the facts as well. congrats you sent me one website that I've known about for a long time. Its not that we don't know about this history, there's an ugly side to it, the problem is that the embellishment and exaggeration by you and in this one time case, Joe, is that you're making up stuff on top of it and taking it way out of proportion. Get Educated please or don't be posting about it.
That warm and friendly vibe Mormons have is an act. They’re very nice to outsiders to their face but a lot are two faced. They are so kind and nice with a great sense of community until you are one of them and start questioning your beliefs. They’ll slowly turn away from you and once you decide that the religion isn’t accurate they will shun you all together. Or at least that’s what happened to me and everyone I knew that used to be a member. But I’m sure it’s not everyone that will do that and most will say it doesn’t happen at all.
Totally 💯 Same thing happened to me. They’re nice as long as they think they can convert you or that you are a true believer. If you are a critic, they will shun you.
Where do you live? I'm mormon (before I start I want to say I respect your opinion and hope you respect mine) and my whole life, they have been very kind to me and my family. The only time I've seen what your saying is teenage girls and boys. They break every rule but put on a face. The reason they do this is because they are afraid to leave. It is kind of scary now that I think about it... wait, is it a cult?!
While I’m not denying the existence of the problem you’ve mentioned, having known several “ex-mormons” I wonder if there might be another factor that makes it feel like they’ve suddenly turned their backs on you. Could it be that after you decided that the religion isn’t real you became very critical of huge swathes of church practices, beliefs, etc. which constitute a huge amount of those people’s lives? Put differently, it might have been that they felt you were attacking their lifestyle unjustly and were put off by that. I know that the first thing most ex-mormons I’ve known do is spout off about how miserable the church’s practices are and how stupid their beliefs are, etc. and I can see how that causes people to “shun you.” Again, I’m not saying that what happened in your case isn’t legitimate or that this kind of thing doesn’t happen, but I don’t think most ex-Mormons are very fair on this subject
@@elicindrich3282 I can see your point and I’m sure that is a case with a lot of ex Mormons. I can’t speak for everyone but with me personally, I didn’t openly criticize anyone I knew or the church until after I was cast out. I believe that anyone has the right to believe what they choose as long as it doesn’t cause harm to others. At the risk of sounding hypocritical, my issue is when those beliefs influence the holders to treat others as less than equals. To clarify, I’m not in any way saying that all Mormons shun those that leave and in fact I still have friends that are Mormon that know my story. We don’t judge each other and have had healthy discussions about our beliefs. I’m human and not perfect so I’m sure I have been guilty of similar actions that I experienced. When I do realize that I’m doing the same thing I try to correct myself. Yet my emotions do get the best of me when talking about my experience with this subject and I do sometimes generalize which I realize isn’t fair to everyone that is a member of that church.
When we moved to Utah in the 90s. We were welcomed by half the neighborhood, once they found out that we weren't Mormon and we didn't go to church. None of the kids were allowed to play with us and basically we were ignored from there on out. They like to keep to their own. Oh and trust me they'll act like you don't exist.
Not all of us are like that. But I believe you 100% because I grew up with these idiots. They focus on the wrong part of Christianity often because some of them are so frightened.
They only tolerate non members to the extent that they hope to convert them one day. When it's clear you are not interested, you are automatically shunned.
I was raised Mormon and was actually reading the Book of Mormon and had somewhat of a belief in the church all the way up until 8 months ago when I had a near death experience. You would think that would push me closer to god but it did the opposite I woke up from a coma and had to repent for all my sins to my bishop which were things like having sex, drinking beer and smoking weed. The reason it pushed me away is because everyone was saying things like “ we’re asking everyone in the ward to pray for you”and “we’re fasting for you” they believed that through fasting and prayer my life was saved and I was like uhh no the doctors and surgeons saved my life my family is still super Mormon so no hate to Mormons they’re really nice people I just am not that gullible to believe in that comical religion
Go a step further. Doctors and surgeons didn’t save your life, it was the natural self healing operations of the body merely aided by doctors that saved it. Doctors don’t heal bodies, they only help bodies to heal themselves. Go another step further. Your life wasn’t saved, your death was postponed. Memento Mori
@@skootempaw694 I think you meant to say “pray” and not “prey.” At any rate, I don’t think the TH-cam comment section is a good place to proselytize. As a platform for religious discourse, it’s worse than pamphlets.
@@skootempaw694 ok.. I pray too... I also live in Salt Lake City, and have lots of lovely Mormon coworkers where I work building furniture for the temples. I don’t have anything against Mormons, I just don’t think proselytizing in TH-cam comments works.
@@elijahbachrach6579 Then don't hang about in utube comment sections. Problem solved. It's an "Occum's Razor" function of cognition whence making choices. Google it for clarity.
I'm an ex mormon. I just want to clarify that the FLDS practices pologamy but that is a small group compared to the LDS church which banned polagmy. The LDS church is the one knocking on peoples doors and handing out book of mormons and all of that. With all that theres a reason I left. Many reasons actually
@@josephwalker9440 how can Joesph smith explain this Bible Verse Isaiah 43:10-11 You are my witnesses,(A)” declares the Lord, “and my servant(B) whom I have chosen, so that you may know(C) and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god(D) was formed, nor will there be one after me.(E) 11 I, even I, am the Lord,(F) and apart from me there is no savior.) They also teach Jesus is a created being and that he and Satan are brothers. That’s false. How can a Mormon explain this Colossians 1:15-17 or 18 15 The Son is the image(A) of the invisible God,(B) the firstborn(C) over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created:(D) things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities;(E) all things have been created through him and for him.(F) 17 He is before all things,(G) and in him all things hold together.
Don’t know if this is correct but I heard at one point he started to smoke a joint before each interview too. Sometimes I think he just likes to talk about whatever and sometimes doesn’t really care about the topic. Like some things are just throwaway topics for him idk lol
@@mcanders19 Oh...NOW you're concerned for the standards of the church? Judged 16 million people unrighteously and now you're playing the victim...a millennial no doubt.
@@warriorofgod1412 A cult is a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object. If Christ is your "particular figure" i hope you are in a cult too.
I live in Boise and in my neighborhood we have a hardcore fundamentalist Mormon family, you know the kind where the women wear homemade dresses that go down to the ankles and the men wear plain buttoned down shirts and off brand blue jeans that never quite fit right, the teenage son comes over to my house from time to time looking for work, every once in a while I’ll have him clear brush and give him a few bucks, one day while he was working I asked him if he wanted some water and started asking him about himself, he’s about 16, never been to school, doesn’t own a tv, supposedly a master furniture maker, and his last name is Jeffs. Right then my ears perked up and I said “oh yeah, like part of the Warren Jeffs family”? And he looked at me like how could this heathen possibly know Warren? Then I said “I watch the news” and he immediately clammed up and I couldn’t get anymore out of him. I don’t know where he falls in the family lineage (there’s 100’s of em) but I suspect that family managed to “break off” from the rest of the cult and are now living in a quiet neighborhood in Boise, he hasn’t been back since, kinda a weird kid
@@RealHorhay actually flds actually follow the religion as it was originally written. They are all cut from the same religion with flds actually being more true to its origins. Read more about it if you are interested.
No, the reorganized LDS church always rejected polygamy and denied that J Smith practiced it. the FLDS church and its offshoots are the polygamists. So many LDS branches it can get confusing ...
I drove thru Colorado City a few years ago on my way to the Grand Canyon. It was very surreal. All the homes were partly finished and I saw no one except for a pickup truck with a bunch of kids in pioneer clothes in the back.
That was most likely then re - enacting the story of how Brigham young marched to Utah , it’s called “ trek” where teens and the leaders wear pioneer clothing and walk for days
@@seppyq3672 This is a worldwide thing. Big in Greece. You leave an upper floor unfinished and therefore it's not technically 100% a "dwelling". Very clever thing. Not all countries tolerate this, here in the UK they don't.
Wrong - I think you mean a disgruntled former employee apostate member filed forms with the IRS in an attempt to get rich by starting an audit and claim a portion of the taxes collected. Mormon leadership are above board with paying necessary taxes. They are audited annually by Price Waterhouse Cooper and KPMG. The IRS already has the documents regarding of the entity in question. This is going to go nowhere.
@@raddiemutto7934 Evidence provided by the whistle blower proves otherwise. Not once in the 22 years of this "charitable", tax exempt fund did the mormon church use so much as one penny to fund any charitable causes.
Especially when we were led to believe that it was all going to charity rather than a stockpile of money they deserve to be taxed. I was Mormon until a year ago and then on top of the issues I had which weren’t related to tithing, this whole thing comes out yaaaaa I was mislead I may be disgruntled but I’m not a moron
@@andyr49 😂 are you kidding me? Ok. Just the first to come to mind of a long list. 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami relief. Mormon church gave over $31 MILLION in cash and supplies to aid in recovery. More than almost all aid organizations. Read for yourself under non governmental organizations en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanitarian_response_to_the_2004_Indian_Ocean_earthquake
Because they interfere in all aspects of life based on 0 scientific evidence proclaiming that their imaginary friend is the real deal, the other 3000 imaginary friends aren't and so what they say is important. Look at abortion or euthanasia or stem cell research, all the nutters with their imaginary friends sticking their nose in everyone's business. No one would care if the lunatics would keep their insane ranting to themselves.
I lived in SLC for 3 years. When I was moving out of my apartment, someone came inside while I was moving boxes to my car and left a Book of Mormon on my counter. That’s creepy.
Yeah but that’s just a creep not a typical Mormon That was a bad apple Plus that really isn’t that creepy It’s just like leaving a bible at someone’s front door it’s just someone tryna spread the word on christ
You may be surprised how much of the food pantries are actually filled by the Mormon or LDS church here in Utah or an Idaho or in California or Nevada. On top of teaching people to farm arranging for running water and small villages Distributing clothes to third world countries and two natural disaster areas and a number of actual relief efforts such as those that Community also teaches literacy to the poor trades to people who normally wouldn't have a future otherwise and creates educational opportunities, helps people in everything from addiction recovery to abuse recovery to people who want to go through their program for genital identity issues. They hit help women who are in trouble with pregnancies another issues worldwide and their youth is constantly involved in service activities with their leadership. They've helped build auditing programs and systems for organizations to make sure that they are not wasting money or having recourse stolen from them.
In reality the church hoards $$$$money$$$$ and does very little to actually help people. In ONE investment account alone the church has more than $ONE BILLION DOLLARS. Yes, that's Billion with a "B." And they continue to hoard the money while not helping when there is so much need. You really should investigate who is actually on the front lines doing good, because it most definitely is not the Mormon church.
@@kenziek6707So the alternative is to just give money to poor people? Don’t you think it would make more sense to build up an economy in a way that actually helps people for life? You know how many jobs that mall created? How many more people have sustainable income now because of this?
@@johnsonchase The church lied about where the money was going is the point. The lds church was made to pay millions of dollars in fines for lying to them. The SEC published a list of the real investment the LDS church currently has there are several things on it the LDS church preaches against. Like Alcohol, why is it alcohol is so bad and yet you can even buy at the LDS mall, to say nothing of the hotels the LDS church invested in that sell it and even a bar, "Dave and Busters Entertainment", is primarily a bar. I guess its only "bad" if the "lord" doesn't make money off it. The LDS church isn't at all interested in supporting people its interested in making money, that's all. How else do you explain things like the LDS church has over 100 Billion dollars (which it also tried lying about when it claimed "the majority funds go to funding temples and humanitarian projects" yet got rid of its paid custodial staff to clean up temples and instead have families volunteer to do it? The LDS church has been caught int he flat out blatant lie that it somehow gives a "billion in humanitarian projects". It first tried that claim a few years ago, but the fine print was it was its TOTAL amount since the since the 80s until then. The church still tries to claim that, even though it never once appeared on the top 400 charities of the us. Funny how little tiny willow creek church by itself gives more to charity than the LDS empire with its billions of dollars. And willow creek church doesn't have any Hawaiian resorts, over 2 billion dollars invested in big pharma, investments in hotels, Amazon (which also sells many things the lds church preaches against). I guess this shows either the leaders of the church know what they say is all a lie or its only "bad" if the "lord" isn't making off things h3es against. Either way the LDS church is horrible, lies all the time and I am so glad I left it.
@@johnsonchasereally? You are actually trying to defend the fact that tithing funds were used (despite EXPLICIT promises by GBH) to build a billion dollar for-profit mall? Let’s us not forget the only other time (literally!) funds from the EPA were used was to bail out a for-profit insurance company. Highly unethical and I imagine the IRS whistle blower case will deem the actions illegal too.
My older brother converted to Mormonism about 5 years ago and he’s turned into the most annoying person I’ve ever met. When he caught me smoking weed (when I was 20, living on my own), he called my mom and told on me. I was 20, and he was 25 when that happened. The fuck bruh.
My best friend was a Mormon, idk, never really asked him about it. But down the line 8 years of being my bro, he stole from me, and lowkey gets at all my exes. Cut him off since.
I grew up Mormon. I think they're kind people, however generally not nice. Extraordinarily judgmental as well and generally unaccepting. This is having grown up on the east coast in the church and also living utah as an adult as an ex Mormon.
Interesting conversation, but as an active Latter-day Saint it pains me how little they know about my religion and it's founding and yet think they are authorities on the subject. His explanation of Joseph Smith's polygamy and his justifications for it is pure conjecture. He also fails to distinguish between The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and other polygamist groups.
Christians and the LDS church speak the same language but mean totally different things. Father God was never a man, let alone a man who had his own planet. Jesus wasn't a spirit child originally. He has present since the beginning of time. He came to earth 2,000 years ago but has been around a lot longer. That is a small sample of why no Christian religion considers the LDS church as christian. But the members are really nice!
"they're really nice people and are good to each other" until you hear the women talk about the drama and the other women and cliques and slights in primary and young women and relief society. You'd think the only true church would be some level of different from the rest of the world. But no.
This! Because I've never met pettier people then the ones who claim that they're oh so holy. And their teachings on obedience are nothing short of authoritarianism.
@@chubydukskruber7969 well if he's speaking about the fundamentals then perhaps it's accurate. I heard references to "The Mormons". It was ten months ago that I listened....... Follow?
One difference between a religion and a cult is that religions tolerate and mostly ignore any critics and naysayers, and just move forward with those who have common beliefs. Cults, on the other hand, have very little tolerance for members who question or criticize the organization or its leaders, and will move to punish and penalize offenders in many ways, usually making it as public and painful as possible. Social pressure is a powerful tool, and one that cults depend upon heavily for their status and longevity.
Yeah. It is. So was Christianity at one point. The definition is: "a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.", and "a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object." Any religion seen as fringe is considered a cult.
A friend of mine, C. T. , doesn't believe in the facts about Mormonism. Her dad was a bishop of their Mormon church, so when she was still living with her family in Utah, she was obligated to go to church and take part in the activities. Now, she lives in California, and does NOT attend any Mormon church. She is a very good hearted and intelligent person, and said that she is much happier living in California. More power to her.
Orthodox Jew here. I was the U.S Military and had a lot of Mormon friends. Prior to enlisting I didn’t know a single one. Mormonism is odd, especially the more you learn about it, but if a cult makes you nice, productive, patriotic, and family orientated, I have no problem with it.
Considering the first double agent the FBI had was a Mormon and the LDS church just made news for getting 91 new lawsuits against it for child sex crimes, I think you need to seriously redefine "nice" also if Mormons are so great, tell me why did Israel ban them from proselytizing? Oh i know its because the LDS church was baptizing Jewish holocaust victims into it after they were dead. And then the church swore up and down it would stop at the request of Israel and it keeps on doing so. And sine you are such an expert on the LDS church tell me why is it the LDS church had a staunch and vocal Nazi as the head of its German branch during WW2? Why did thew LDS church post "Jews not allowed ot enter" on all its meeting houses? Why is it the LDS church was all giddy about Hitler when it published "Mormonism in the new Germany" in its church news? Why is it, the LDS church proudly displayed the LDS boys basketball team preforming the Nazi salute in honor of the Nazi party after millions of Jews were already executed? Being Jewish is more than posing for a picture. quite disgusting the way the LDS church browned nosed hitler in that article. Not that you would know or even care probably.
My ex-girlfriend is a Mormon, and we actually broke up because of some mix-ups and then a religious debacle near the end. The people are definitely nice, but if your only source of validity and authenticity is "spirituality" or what your heart tells you, and not actual research from non-biased sources, that can be very detrimental and saddening.
I mean technically the ga do but it's not paid with out tithing money and their wages although not exactly low aren't exactly anything to be jealous over either
The GAs definitely are paid a very good salary out of Tithing money. The church has over $100 BILLION DOLLARS in one investment account alone. Very, VERY wealthy. And very little actual charity.
Grew up Mormon for 18 years, even attended BYU Utah... I stopped being active when I was 19 and it took me until recently, 31 years old to fully realize that indeed I was raised in 100% a cult. In hindsight, everything they do is cult like behavior. Believe everything your told or get in trouble, do not ask questions. I can’t tell you how many 4,5,6 year old kids get up in front of their church every “fast” Sunday as their parents whisper into their ear to declare they believe that Joseph smith was a true prophet and the Book of Mormon is true. Then, as teenagers when the guys and girls are in class together and the teachers asks what we should look for in a future spouse all the girls raise their hand and over exaggeratedly say “a return missionary!” Mostly nice people who have honestly no idea they are in a cult and just want to be “good” but..... 100% a cult
Exactly. Mountain meadow massacre, millions of inbred children, Utah has the highest depression rate in the country. A religion based on sex and racism.
Yes it is because if you attempt to leave, they make threats against you and your family, so it's very difficult to get out once you are in. They will bully, harass, intimidate, and it doesn't stop. Normal Christian churches don't do this type of behavior, if you want to leave, they don't care.
Not true. I left the church and removed my name. No threats, they didn’t come after me. People from the church were kind and always talked to me and we had playgroups at the park and nobody talked about church at all.
@@jeffs4483 In all my years in the church, I have seen many people leave and they have never been shunned by their families or the other members of the church. If it happened to you, it was the individual's choice, not something religious. People aren't perfect.
Hey Joe. Mormons that you know that are Olympic Wrestlers and MMA Fighters include Mark Shultz, Cael Sanderson, Rulon Gardner, and also Mark Hunt- who used to have an LDS symbol on his fighting trunks,- but I do believe that Mark Hunt isn't a practicing Mormon at this time in his life. Just some trivia.
HeroSquad1millionA.D. Thanks I will try and do better at re-checking my spelling. What other skills do you havr besides trolling for TH-cam spelling errors, staring at your balls all day and wondering why nobody responds to your friend requests on Facebook.
As an ex Mormon, I agree, most members and lay leaders are very kind and well meaning. The problem comes from the top. Whether they believe their rhetoric or not, it really doesn’t matter; their dogmatism is not only offensive, it’s divisive and can even be psychologically abusive.
You mentioned that he was 14 when he started to translate the Book of Mormon, he was also extremely uneducated at the time, if he did make it up (because 14 year olds do lie) how would he have been able to write an entire book, in complex language even for his time without any grammatical errors? No 14 year old kid I know could make something like the Book of Mormon up especially not an uneducated one.
Lucas Russo doesn’t change the fact that Joseph smith was uneducated so he would’ve been unable to come up with and write himself. todays youth are generally more educated than the adults back then, illiteracy wasn’t an uncommon thing for adults, because it wasn’t a priority in their lives, like you said 14 year olds had to help raise a family, there wasn’t enough time to go to school and read and write when you’re trying to put food on the table for several people in your family. Joseph smith did become educated later and life but that wasn’t until long after the church was restored. If you look at the language used in the Book of Mormon, it’s *old* it was very old even in Joseph Smiths time. Which would make it a thousand times harder to come up with yourself, as an uneducated 14 year old at the time.
Boston _ it wouldn’t be too hard to come up with if you’re changing the words of already existing scripture to better suit your idea. Multiple evidences that the KJV bible was changed just slightly in several instances to become the BoM
Lucas Russo you couldn’t just slightly change the Bible to get the Book of Mormon. That claim is insane. Look at the stories in the Book of Mormon, consistent with the Bible, yet different.
Instead of getting commentary on Mormonism from people who have no clue, why don't you interview someone who can actually speak from a position of authority? I've heard you interview a few people who have made comments on Mormonism that are completely wrong. Having these guys comment on Mormonism is like asking Bill Burr to comment on astrophysics because he heard Neil DeGrasse Tyson speak one time.
Cleanup Efforts Underway in Asia Following Typhoon Mangkhut The typhoon, known as Typhoon Ompong in the Philippines, packed destructive winds and torrential rain as it cut across northern Luzon. Dozens of people lost their lives after heavy rains triggered landslides. Ninety-six Latter-day Saint chapels in the affected areas of the Philippines sheltered more than 4,000 members and friends of the Church during the typhoon where they received food and water. LDS Charities, the humanitarian arm of the Church, is coordinating relief efforts alongside Church volunteers who are repacking suppplies and distributing 7,000 food kits in the affected Philippine provinces. In Hong Kong, members and more than 100 missionaries from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have been working to help clean debris in the community. High wind smashed windows in the city, tearing off parts of buildings and roofs, while the storm surge flooded hotels and restaurants. Eight meetinghouses received minor flooding along with landscape damage. The Hong Kong China Temple received minor landscape damage but has reopened. Miraculously no lives were lost though a few hundred were injured and some were displaced. . . www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/cleanup-efforts-underway-asia-following-typhoon-mangkhut
What does their humanitarian efforts have to do with their doctrine being true or not? Both people on this podcast stated they thought Mormons were nice people. So i'm not sure what point you think you're making.
@Will iam My only point towards the OP is that Mormons could be the nicest people or contribute the most in humanitarian efforts and that wouldn't in any way lend itself as evidence the religion itself is True. Which is why I'm confused on the point the OP is making.
I don’t know if I’d say NO religious institutions should get tax exceptions; the Catholic Church is the largest private provider of education and runs the most soup kitchens (privately) in the US. Many Protestant, Muslim, Hindu, and Buddhist groups do valuable secular outreach in their communities as well. Call me crazy but I don’t want one, central, politicized entity controlling all food and social service for the needy through the Federal government with taxes; they are the most inefficient group I’ve seen in my life time that is allowed to continue existing.
I can understand that. Problem is the LDS Church has amassed in just ONE investment account alone $100 BILLION DOLLARS. Yes, that's BILLION with a "B." They do very little good, and use only a tiny percentage of their wealth for charity, and usually only when they can get good press attention in return. A church that wealthy can afford to contribute something to the country that made it so wealthy. As it stands they pay NOTHING toward the upkeep of all the infrastructure they benefit from -- roads, water systems, sewer systems, electricity infrastructure, etc. They should at the very least participate in covering costs and they should pay property tax on their vast holdings. The Catholic Church does contribute much more than the LDS Church does.
Wasn't that mall built exclusively using the profits earned from some of the other businesses the church owns, and not from tithing, or am I mixing it up with the several other things that people accused them of using tithing for when they actually weren't?
@Mr. Richardson Thursday Violist is right. The mall was funded by the business arm of the church, probably like Deseret Book revenue. I also remember the city of Salt Lake appreciated it at the time. It was healthy for the economy for the mall to be built. There was a 2008 recession, the mall was completed in 2012. It was the only new mall being built at the time in the United States. So the timing was a blessing a strategic and practical. Mr. Richardson doesn't know what he's talking about. And you're right that although the church is not against the use of medical marijuana, the church could care less about helping to sustain medical marijuana if it's the competition to their big pharma stocks. So what?
The LDS church is the second richest religion in the world (second to Catholics) and yet the church is ran like as if it is non profit. No one in the church receives money, and all money gets put towards building and maintaining churches and temples, service work like disaster relief, helping less fortunate members by providing food and supplies like toiletries etc. and more than that of which I can list off of the top of my head.
I’ve been in this church since birth. I left at 25. It was the absolute worst thing that ever happened to me I was forced into slave labour and imprisoned by a patriarch in Colorado. This church and the people are a horror story! When my three year old daughter was sick and dying from a curable problem, they ordered me to give the money to the church that I needed for her meds, I was unemployed at the time, they ordered me to give the church the money, and if she died, then it is gods will. I had enough of this shit and left the church, after that, they were not nice at all. I will never set foot in another church again in my life.
Here's the thing. I grew up in a Mormon family and yeah they believe crazy shit just like every other religion but in the end, people are really nice and it creates a good family culture. And the tithing the members pay actually does go towards humanitarian aid and other things like that (besides the obvious expenses of property and facilities). I used to think the whole tithing thing was just straight up bs but facilities and land do cost money and members don't actually have to pay money to be a member...unlike scientology. But yeah if you want to donate money to a humanitarian cause, donating through the Mormon church's department of that, you'll very likely get more of that money actually going towards the cause than other charities. So yeah I'm not a member anymore (well "active".. Not going to bother getting my name removed from the records). But at the end of the day it produces really nice generous people. Plus all their churches have basketball courts...which is fuckin dope.
a lot of their money goes into property investment though, and I don’t like how tithing is mandatory because some members in poverty can’t go to the highest glory due to it. Not to mention the good family culture is only good for you if you manage to fit in it. I am very family oriented, but I am trans and I do not want to marry a man, they would never approve of my decision to be me and start a family with a woman.
Less than 0.2% of the church's money goes to charity. The Church is very VERY wealthy. And it it just investing all those BILLIONS OF DOLLARS and making more money every day. They're building all those Temples to try and hide the membership decline. Please read the CES Letter so you don't get blindsided.
I was at least somewhat christian until i moved to a town with a lot of mormons and now I just don't feel comfortable with that stuff anymore. the not cursing, Not being able to hangout Sundays, no sleepovers, etc. it started to piss me off
@@johnb5254 Yeah because they do drink soft drinks which have caffeine. There's no reason for that shit, it makes no sense. I also dislike that they can't watch Rated R movies. The list goes on and it's almost like they're not allowed to be human
Quattro Bajeena my Jesus is the Son of God who came to earth. He was born in Bethlehem. He walked amongst the jews and taught his father’s word. He suffered in the garden of gethsemane for the sins of the world. He was spit on, beaten, whipped, mocked, falsely accused, betrayed, and nailed to a cross to die on calvary. He was placed in a tomb and had the entrance sealed. Three days later he was gone. He had risen and was resurrected. If you and I believe in a different Jesus, then you clearly believe in the wrong one.
They are still a cult. I used to be mormon and I found a lot of things that don’t match with the word of God. Good works does not give you salvation. Good works come later. It’s God’s way how to teach you to be a good person. That’s part of the process to clean you. Accepting Jesus Christ is the only way to the Father. Romans 3:20 20Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God's sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.
I grew up in the LDS church. They put on a front of kindness and niceness, but they are not. They are some of the most judgmental, backstabbing people you will ever meet. They just can do it all with a smile on their face, so people think they are nice. They are racist, homophobic, misogynistic, and elitist. If you are not popping out kids like a pez dispenser with an "appropriate" mate by the age of 25, say goodbye to any future prospects in the church. Also due to the Mormon church owning so many businesses in Utah, not being in good favor with the church can destroy your career. There is an entire section of the church devoted to helping people hook up so they can pop out babies. Its called the singles ward, and it is full of some of the most scared and desperate people you will ever meet (they still are smiling the whole time though). I had a relative, who had some kind of genetic issue where her children kept being born with down syndrome, but she was pressured by the church and its members to be a good daughter of god, and be fruitful and multiply. So even though she was poor, even though her children were born sick and she could barely afford to feed herself, she kept having them. She dug herself into a deeper and deeper financial hole. Because if she did not, everyone in her congregation would turn on her. All while wearing a smile. That is the true nature of the Mormon church. Just because someone smiles at you, doesn't make them your friend.
Im a mormon and not any of that i like to Learn about others I guess you could say I'm a very curious i try not To judge but I'm humble enough to admit that I do it I was strong neck for Justice And I will say things are wrong in the Church But I mean they teach you about some basics that are important in life that I don't think anyone can say wrong about that I was born into it but I am not stupid and I am not blind I guess because I'm different because I was bullied in the church so I was able to I don't know Evolve in a way of knowing how not to judge others because I know how it feels And I'm never that person just shouts out scriptures at people to say they're wrong cause that's just wrong in general
I don’t understand why people always bring up polygamy when it comes to my church. I’m a young teen, so I may just not understand the significance of that to non-members yet, but I can guarantee that there is so many other things that can be spoken about our church, yet are rarely spoken about.
Because it was one of the foundations the church was built on. Look at D&C section 132 its still in there. I admit though, there is far worse stuff like the Bishops talking to little 8-11 year old children behind closed door about sex going into Extreme detail at times. Yea they now ALLOW parents int he room, but, since bishops control Temple recommends not a single parent I knew while I was in would dare question a bishop and the bishop wouldn't let them. Its why sexual abuse in children is so common in the church. Yea, now Bishops are getting arrested but the same abuse was going on for decades with nothing ever being said. Last year the guy who did the music for the LDS website, the LDS assistant Attorney General for the State of Utah, a Bishop who was a Mayor, a elders quorum president, a bunch of bishops, another LDS attorney a LDS primary Teacher and a bunch of others all got arrested for child sex crimes on top of the fact the LDS church had to pay out 250 MILLION dollars (which is more than it gives in charity) for Boy and Girls scouts sexual abuse stuff.
Because most of the doctrine the church is based on nowadays were actually created to justify Joseph Smith's infidelity. Sealings, for example, was created to justify him marrying and having sex with other men's wives. It was exclusively about sex. Joseph never sealed himself to his children or to his parents, and Emma was the 23rd wife he was sealed to
Because Joseph Smith coerced a 14-year-old girl into "marrying" him. He got in to her body by falsely promising her that if she married him it would automatically ensure the exaltation of all her father's household and all of her kin. So she acquiesced. Later she wrote that she did not understand the physical component of marriage would be required of her upon marrying him. She did not even know there was such a thing. But it was too late for her. There was another girl who was 14, possibly 15. And there was a 16-year-old orphan girl he also seduced. Many of the girls he took as "wives" were underage or were orphans (some worth quite a lot of money) whose inheritances he squandered. And Joseph Smith forced already married women to become his wives. He forced these women to be shared between himself and their legal husbands. Wikipedia lists some of the women, but there are many more. Joseph Smith had around 46 to 48 women as his wives all at one time and it was against the law. Non-mormons will bring up polygamy because it is very clearly not of God. So the fact that men who claim to speak for God, and who start up churches or religions, will usually be sleeping with many of the women among his followers, even if they are already legally married, is a good sign (a Big RED FLAG) that that particular man is just scamming everyone.
I joined the church in 1994. I’m a believer, baby! I do appreciate Joe thinks we are the nicest cult. We try. Sadly, like any other group of people who share basic beliefs, we have a whole big bunch of people who pass judgement on others and/or fail to love their neighbor.
I joined in 88 after hearing a couple of simple missionaries tell me about book of Mormon and Joseph Smith. Silly kids. But then they said don't trust us, find out for yourself so I prayed earnestly. God answered my prayers and filled my heart with the holy spirit. It was powerful and undeniable. I never was religious but that experience changed my life. Utterly inspiring. I've tried to help others to feel that same warmth and love ever since. I know it can seem goofy from the outside but it's the most beautiful message in the world offering hope to all, excluding none.
“I’ve been involved in a number of cults, some as a leader, some as a follower. You have more fun as a follower but you make more money as a leader”
Creed Bratton
Christianity is a cult.
Papa smurf
ZeRo Beats Cool beans.
Jose Martinez - Based on the purest definition;which is how I defined Christianity Islam is also a cult.
So when you hear these evangelicals declare everyone except them a cult, remind yourself how absolutely wrong they are. If anyone behaves with a cult mentality, they do.
I was raised Mormon but broke off really young. Mormonism is really weird but for the most part really friendly people.
Friendly on the surface, but very toxic.
@@pt7604 ? How so?
@@catmani2 Not a good way to respond.
@@DM-bu6to And yet they could easily outsmart and out argue you. So what does that say about you you half-witted, obtuse, imbecilic, doltish moron! Oh, i am sorry, i bet you couldn't even understand most of what I wrote, as your comment shows you have the vernacular of a 5 year old.
@Jim Caponzi Lol, because crimes happen that means that all followers of a religion are not friendly. MAKES SENSE
I have been a Mormon my whole life. Most people locally are well meaning. My son left the church a few weeks ago after a horrific missionary experience with the Portland Oregon Mission president. He told me he wanted to leave but when I tried to bring my child home the mission president refused to allow me to pick him up, refused to give me an address to have him picked up and refused to provide me with a means to bring him home until I called the police. Mission President instructed the other missionaries in the home to not allow my child to leave which is technically a hostage situation and a crime. I complained through proper church channels but church leadership swept my concerns under the rug. I never thought of my religion as a cult until this incident with higher ranking church authorities.
Report it to lower levels and higher levels than what you are the Church is aware that these things are happening, and that’s why they made a big deal of it at the last conference, and form pf abuse or abusiveness won’t be tolerated. They straight up said anyone who is doing things, they’re going to get excommunicated.
@@anhingathing2382 I reported it to the local leadership and my area leadership. The problem here is the person who is responsible for the abuse is at a higher level so the local and area leadership refused to contact anyone higher to report my issue. I heard the official church stance on it during conference as you stated but that is not what I observed while trying to report the abuse. I think they are more than willing to discipline lower level leadership while letting the higher level leadership do what they please. I agree with you that is what should happen and is what the church stated would happen but I don’t see them actually practicing what they just preached.
@@JC-vj2wh How long ago did you report this as well? Another thing could be that they're trying to investigate the issue further. It could also be that the Area presidency doesn't have authority to move forward with anything until they're told they can from their higherups, even then I think there's room for some concern, as if it's been more than it's fair share of time, then the abuse cases aren't being prioritized by those members.
@@anhingathing2382 this one was pretty severe. I would think it would have been a pretty high priority. If I had someone hold another individual against their will and refuse to allow the person freedom, I would have that at the top of my investigation list. I would deal with the Mission President immediately. I reported it in October to area leadership and was just told “well I don’t know why he would do that but I’m sure he wishes he would have handled it differently.” Very indifferent and had a tone of not wanting to pursue it any further. I reported it in October the day after it happened. Maybe they are looking into it as you say? I have been very disappointed with my interactions with church leaders about this issue. If I had done this outside of the church, I would have been arrested and charged with a crime immediately.
@@JC-vj2wh Yeah, I agree entirely, have you tried reporting it again? That's a really long time, and sweeping it under the rug like that isn't okay.
Not all Mormons that I've met are bad people, but of the 5 worst humans I've met, 4 were Mormons. The top 4.
I’m sorry that happened to you. Everyone should be treated kindly.
The followers are usually great people but they are controlled by guilt.
I worked for years with many Mormons. I don’t know much about their theology, but they were some of the most humble, kind and giving people I’ve ever met. I didn’t meet a single brainwashed cultist who tried to convert me.
Such nice Racists indeed.
@@jeffs4483 huh?
@@jeffs4483 ???
@@elementzr6978
They believe dark skin is a curse.
People are inherently good and nice. Meeting friendly mormons in your life gives no relevance to the truth of their religion or indeed their morality. In the case of the latter it’s especially true as no person should have to believe religious doctrine in order to do good
Mormons are friendly in the same way salesmen are friendly.
We do a friendly. I am Mormon and I have a lots no- mórmon member
yea FRAUDS
exactly, i grew up mormon and i hate when people say they’re friendly, it’s so disingenuous.
@@markyjrocks68 thank you
Mormons, They are nice but rarely are they kind.
I talked to a Mormon from Salt Lake City who was doing his MIssionary work in Northern Ontario Canada trying to convert the locals and natives.. They were really nice. We talked about the play book of Mormon. They liked it. I talked about South Park with them. They didnt seem to like SP very much lol. They gave me a bible and I couldnt throw it out. It just felt wrong. So it sits on top on my entertainment center with a Buddha lol
Burn the religions icons... Not because I'm some extremist.. But just because if there is a God, it's sending him the message to come talk to you himself if he wants you XD
@@josephsherman5288 What do you think the book is? It's God wanting to talk to you, but the real reason you burn it is because you don't actually want to listen.
@@markurry3149 Not at all, it's an organisation's propaganda.
You mean they gave you the book of Mormon?
@@josephsherman5288 how could the book of Mormon possibly be propoganda?
I was a Mormon for two years and have left the church but I don't have a bad word to say about my experience in the church
I was in it for 3 decades and I say the complete opposite. You didn't see the destructive side, so lucky you.
@@johnb5254 nope I only seen good things and like I said I can only speak positively about it. Then again I say every area of it is different. Alot of nice people in the church I went to so I use to feel great coming out of there on a sunday
@@evancawley3236
You only saw what's on the surface. Lucky you.
@@johnb5254 please share your experience :)?
I have been a member of the church for almost a year now. One of the reasons why I joined the church was because they were genuinely nice people and convinced me what I was taught were real. But here is my first problem: I didn’t even know if I was making the right decision to get baptized because I still had doubts. And according to them, they would, supposedly, know if someone is ready to be baptized or not. A missionary had a conversation with me before I got baptized to see if I was qualified, which I passed. But to me, it felt like any test you would have in school, as long as you get the answers right, then you pass. Furthermore, they keep telling people to pray to God if you have any questions, if your prayer and desire is sincere, you will receive the answer. Well, not a single question I had was being answered. Something I figured out lately that Christians are confirmation bias, meaning if you are looking for something to happen, and if anything then happens, that must be it, coming from god. For example, you have worked so hard to get something you desire. You finally got it, but because you believed it to be God’s gift, you disregard all the hard work you put into it, instead giving God all the credits. There was a time when I was bothered by the thought that if the church is not true, then how come everyone around me believed it to be true? Then I came to realization that most of them grew up with it, or indoctrinated since a young age. That’s how they view the world, telling them that their world view is not correct is an impossible task. When it comes to Science, most of them have this sort of selective amnesia where they agree with biology, physics stuff but completely in against with stuff like evolution, radiocarbon dating, etc.. The more I think about it the less convincing the LDS Church is to me, thought I found the real one(there are none, there is no heavenly entities), turned out to be just like other churches. Wish I had learned that earlier. Recently, I have been watching videos that debunk Christianity and Religion in general, and I couldn’t agree more with what them videos been saying. I still go to church every Sunday and participate in their activities, but I don’t feel it anymore, if I had ever felt anything in the first place when I joined the church.
I’m a non Mormon but played hockey in Salt Lake when I was younger and spent a year there. The people were extremely nice and helpful. Yes they had large families and many beautiful Mormon girls wouldn’t marry outside their religion, tho I’d offer to convert they’d all say they didn’t want me to convert just for them. Still, an awesome helpful people. My truck broke down on freeway and in 5 minutes literally 20 passerby’s stopped to help me. Also a cop pulled me over once for weaving and recognized me and let me go asking if I could get him tickets. I remember it because I never did get him those tickets…20 years later.
yeah, they're nice until you tell them to F off ...then they gang stalk you just like scientologists do
as a lot of religious fundamentalists are. Just because they are humble, kind and giving does not mean they are not in a cult. Its part of their MO, part of the cult behavior
They probably thought you were Mormon. Mormon's were friendly, until I told them I wasn't Mormon, then they avoided talking to me. Every time I visit SLC and Provo, I get a creepy feeling, like I'm an outsider. Its not a cult, just a weird closed social group, not a religion. Joe Smith had many scams going while starting the Mormon church. He was a crooked contractor, investor, etc and just wanted to get rich. State of Ohio had plenty of evidence of stealing $thousands from people, but he gained such a following with religion, they forced JS to leave the State and never come back. Visit SLC and see the teenagers living on the street. The church told their parents to kick them out until they repent. Many other weird things.
@@WhiteArtsMagicdefinitely not 💀💀 ur brainwashed to believe that mormons are awful people 😂
@@WhiteArtsMagic
I’m not saying that these Mormons weren’t helping out of good intention but your exactly right it’s still a cult
reminds me of what this one TH-camr said
“The absence of evil is not an indication for the presence of good” - Dry Creek Wrangler
My favorite cult would have to be the Amish. Here's a group of people who had some crazy beliefs, and so they went off and minded their own business. Perfect.
(Okay, some people complain that their buggies damage public roads from time to time, but the way I see it, our cars are polluting the planet that they live on, so it's kind of an even trade.)
Amish are not a cult. They just live differently than you do. This is a perfect example of bigotry.
they do make incredible furniture! haha
At least the hommish make food, rugs, and clothes for the outside community. These Mormons just try and ruin laws. They own half of Vegas for a reason.
Shawn Ravenfire I think If I was gonna commit to any Crazy religion, I would choose the Amish. 😂😂
Half my neighbors are Amish, very strong people and so nice too.
As a former Mormon I’m surprised how much Rogan knows about Joseph Smith. To spit out his age at a certain year off the top of his head was pretty impressive
@balddicknosedasscanoe no hes never mentioned it before i don't think
Wow! that sure makes him an authority!
Pretty sure he has notes and reviews certain topics before the episode. Just a thought.
@@scottmolis4267
l was an active Mormon for 50 + years....born ln the "covenant", mission, BYU, bishopric, temple married, etc., etc.
Would you consider ME to be an "authorlty"...as long as l didn't say anything negative about Mormonism?
(l reslgned my LDS membershlp 20+ years ago.)
@Dub You said “As a former Mormon I’m surprised how much Rogan knows about Joseph Smith.”
Rogan practically knows nothing about Joseph Smith and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day. He’s just trying to be impressive to maintain his reputation of a commentator of sorts on the Internet, with the other guy just playing second fiddle.
How about you, Dub? What’s your story? Obviously you know very little of the Church. How long have you been a member? We’re you even an active member who paid tithing? What made you leave, and which church, if any, do you go to now? What’s your story?
I'm an active Mormon and have been my whole life. Honestly as a member i'm not looking to convert people wherever I go, honestly i'd rather just not talk religion most of the time anyway. I'm literally just trying to live my life the best I can. If you want to hang out, awesome, lets do it. Want to go to a bar? Awesome lets do it, I'll be your driver. Need help with something? Cool I'll try my best to be there.
Some of the comments too talk about shunning other people that aren't LDS (Mormon) I think some of it comes from us LDS people feeling uncomfortable when people are talking bad about the religion in front of them anytime someone comes up and I don't think its probably a consious thing, just that people who talk bad about your morals and religion isn't something that makes me want to hang out with that person. I'm all for jokes and stuff, but its exhausting always trying to defend beliefs all the time.
My kids go and hang out with kids in our neighborhood who aren't religious and we're friendly with the parents too. We're normal people trying to live normal lives too. I'll let my kids believe what they want, and ask questions on what they want.
I’m a devout Christian and what I have to say is you need to repent,get away from Mormonism,it’s a Cultic false religion.And if you choose not to you’re on the broad path to destruction.
Colorado City is actually on the border of Utah and Arizona.
That hurts a lot coming from someone who doesn't understand when to use the correct you're. I grew up in Utah and certainly know where Colorado City is located, look it up!
@@MountainHobbler Would you take me over to the Short Creek? I hear it's good place to pickup chics
I live like an hour away from Colorado city and sometimes when I drive through the city I get curious and look at all the houses in the small town once I’ve looked at the majority of the houses and markets in the town I notice cars following behind me it’s not necessarily “scary” it’s just eery as fuck. I also work at a plant nursery and a lot of our customers are polygamists and the way they dress is funny as hell it’s like an Olden day “costume” it’s pretty weird that I have to type/ explain all of this weird shit because this is literally my everyday life.
I was going to ask a question about that be cause a) Colorado City in CO is nowhere near the CO-UT border and b) Colorado City is not a Mormon town (I used to live less than 20 miles away).
@Kenzie K Wonderful. Definitely not the Colorado City in CO. It was pretty quiet when I was living nearby. This Colorado City sounds like somewhere no one except a FLDS member would want to go.
All i got to say is mormons have really good work ethic only people I've ever seen that are able to keep up with hispanics
Cause mormons are hispanics.
@Will iam Most are. I was a mormon missionary and have paid attention to mormon growth tactics since. "White people" don't become mormon anymore. More seem to be leaving than joining (like myself). The only people who join in USA are Mexicans and abroad outside of the USA are Africans.
Appreciate it man
@@shawnreed7876 Also that's not really true, I think by now there's a greater LDS population outside of the US than inside, but in American churches there's a very high white demographic. Not because we're white supremacists or anything, anyone should be able to join any church and it's the same with us, just because it started only 200 years ago in Utah.
@@WiloPolis03 It is most definitely true. Look at the numbers. White people don't become mormons. More whities leave than join. Soon Latinos will stop joining as well. Most of the mormon church's current and future growth will be in Africa but eventually that will slow as well. Joseph smith's church has done remarkably well but as will all things, the pedofile's church will eventually die.
I am born Mormon and still go sometimes. I have to go cause of my father. Mormons are nice and I don’t think it’s bad, but it’s not right for me. Im starting to question and being Mormon doesn’t let me express who I truly am and it doesn’t make me happy. I will probably still go to the Mormon church until I am old enough to say “I’m leaving.”
I just believe in God and the basics. I don’t want anything complicated
same here bro
You can make it out.
Good for you! God would want you to be yourself.
I suggest you pray to GOD for guidance
Sooner or later you Will notice the doctrine is false and weird and you will leave it completely. That’s how it happened to me.
Warren Jeffs is the guy you're trying to think of Joe.
Dudes compound is whack I cleaned that shit out for a class in high school
WARREN IS THE ONLY PROPHET WHO COMMUNICATES WITH GOD. LOL NOT!!!! DO FLDS ACTUALLY THINK THIS BIZARE! YOU STAY IN YOUR COMPOUNDS THE WORLDLY WORLD IS EVIL YOU STAY IN YOUR NICE COMPOUNDS LOL
Warren Jeffs? LOL you mean LDS leader! wiki joseph smith jailed 42 times www.wivesofjosephsmith.org
Yeah, these guys really did their homework before doing this episode.
@Kenzie K you are sooo full of shit
Around 9th-10th grade I had a good friend who was Mormon. He was devout and i actually went to their church a couple time as well as some youth events. Nicest ppl ever !! Their beliefs are wacky af but they do treat others nicely
@ Clovis...
Nice... UNTIL YOU PROBE THE SURFACE OF THEIR FACADE. THEN... you'll learn all about "shunning".
Yeah, unlike JW's, Mormons are allowed to have friends outside of their faith.
Nice until you start asking real questions.
@@jeffs4483 yeah they have told me some weird ass shit man. I appreciate them not being assholes about me being an atheist but they were pretty weird with beliefs for sure
@Steve D ...not so much. Unless you're potentially baptizable OR a neighbor, local merchant, etc. - you'll get a pass, but no "recommend" (insider joke 4 LDS & NoMo's)!! But hey... we all gotta' serve SOMEbody.
I converted to the LDS Church a couple of years ago. It was one of the best choices I have ever made. Through the Church I met some of the most decent people ever. I dont drink any alcohol or smoke, have become very disciplined in everything. I have become more compassionate towards others. Thanks to God and the LDS Church. A perfect church!!!
Whoops, he’s been brainwashed boys-
@@Milkish How do you have so little likes🤣
Damnnnnnnnnn cult be going crazy
Apostle J Reuben Clark said: "If we have the truth, no harm can come from investigation." Please read the CES Letter and discover what you need to know...
giving away 10 percent of your income sure does displine you huh, can do all of that outside of the church and save that money, or actually spread the gospel instead of the book of "golden plates". Heaven is forever free, it will never require your 10 percent to get in, to your surprise god actually donest care about money, also polygamy is adultery.......
Annoys me when people say how 'nice' they are. That has not been my experience.
If they are being rude or mean in any way, they do not understand the LDS doctrine.
@@noahsherman4129
Their doctrine is supremacist so it rubs off on it's members.
Yeah just because you had bed experience doesn’t mean everyone in the church is bad
@@MoseleySquad13
Yes, it's bad 100%. That whole organization is based on lies and fed by endless bigotry, racism, and sexism.
You're gonna find assholes anywhere even in the LDS faith you'll find them. I hope you have better experiences in the future
Alright, here's my fact-checking of Joe and the other guy:
I love joe Rogans podcast, but when this needs serious correction:
1.) they are not careful enough on differentiating mainstream Mormonism from fundamental Mormonism. The former condemns the latter for their polygamy practice and is not similar to the latter much at all. 2.) guy on the right is absolutely false, the so to speak polygamy revelation is not in the Book of Mormon and the revelation that other witnesses signed to testify of was not the marriage revelation but the gold plates of the Book of Mormon. Nowhere in the same ballpark
Joseph didn't start the religion at 14, that was when he was very thoughtful about religion and claimed the beginning of his heavenly visions. The Book of Mormon came when he was 23, and many other parts of the religion gradually came for the 15 years after that.
Guy on the right mischaracterizes Joseph's "trouble with the law". Look at every case and it was largely a matter of religious intolerance. The Mormons had an extermination order against them from the government of missouri, the federal government didn't defend them while acknowledging this injustice, and the governor of Illinois knowingly permitted Joseph to be put in a jail with too few guards that could be overrun by a mob and end in his death, which is what happened, he was not murdered for justified reasons. I'm sorry but painting the federal government as the innocent and purely fair party and Joseph as some rough lawless scoundrel is very ignorant of the historical context. Religious intolerance drove their persecution, and I don't think other religions would ever receive this same lazy mischaracterization
I think this whole, Brigham young had to move west to evade federal authorities. We don't characterize the pilgrims as a cult that had to leave England to avoid just law enforcement, they left cause of religious intolerance and so did the Mormons.
The Scientology comparisons to Mormonism being anywhere in the same ballpark shows a serious lack of anything more than a superficial understanding of Mormons.
Look up the essays "Are Christians Mormon?" That's shows how Christian orthodoxy has actually followed mormon theology on several major points now in the 21st century, so the cult label isn't fitting when non Mormon scholars recognize the impressive substance of Mormon theology and when mainstream Christianity now aligns with it on several points.
I like joe's concession at the end that most Mormons are really good people. The question must then be asked, can good fruit come from a bad tree? I get if people don't want to believe in the supernaturalism surrounding some of Joseph smiths claims, but there must be other admirable parts of the religion that is producing such good people and motivating people to be so Christlike. And for some reason ppl prefer to focus on the controversial rather than the mainstream
Michael's depiction of the LDS church was more accurate than the one taught in gospel doctrine classes.
cesletter.org/
Start there.
@@toyconnoisseur4948 lol people who get that flustered by the CES letter are people who don't know how to think for themselves. I've read it many times and am not bothered by it at all, there are a ton of flaws in it, and I know enough about Lds history and theology to know what's a valid attack and what's lazy. and most of it is the latter. I'm not saying gospel doctrine is be all end all, but you're ignoring volumes of scholarship on these subjects in the name of you didn't learn it in Sunday school. Grow up and teach yourself. Most people bothered by CES letter were people who never took their own learning upon themselves. So if its trust issue with the church cause of that fine I get that, but don't act like the CES letter is an impressive document, once you get out of your angsty teen phase you'll realize how irrelevant it was all along.
@Kenzie K Yea you don't seem like someone who has an open mind to discuss this topic, you seem waaaay to arrogant and overconfident about your positions. Also, your disbelief of 21st century converging with mormon theology positions shows your vast ignorance of the actual literature, which tells me that your "big brains" on this subject, really came from a few TH-cam videos and a few websites. Talk to me when you've actually read the professional scholarly literature, and get off the amateur blogs. You've already shown me you're not interested in having a serious discussion, but just want to vent off your anger so you feel a bit better about whatever insecurities are bothering you.
@@louccideavon7116 The big hitter in the CES letter is the book of Abraham. I’m not sure why you would attack a paper that is helping people escape a cult… lol
Super well written comment. Sounds like the guy in the interview didn’t do his research. Annoying.
The difference between a religion and a cult is that a cult always has strings attached, as in: they want your money and free labor. True religion is about philosophy and spirituality
Tue religious is about a hoard mentality. No freedom for self thought. If you arent in you are out
So all churches are cults.
You don't find "true religion" in an organized church, only in individuals. I think people fail to understand that the word cult isn't always similar to what you see in the movies. With that said, a religion cannot be a cult, BUT all cults are religious.
Then it's not religion anymore. It's looking within yourself to find the real God. That God can't be found in the walls of the Church.
Dude, I've got more beef than most with the LDS church, but many of your "facts" are incorrect. Firstly, Joseph Smith was killed in Illinois, not Missouri. The affidavit in the introduction to the Book of Mormon is not about polygamy. The FLDS sect was led by Warren Jeffs. Colorado City is near the boarder of Utah and Arizona, not Colorado. And you say you've been there?
Why you hate mormons?
@@KC.801 I don't hate Mormons.
@@couchsurfingsam you said you got beef wit em
@@KC.801Beef and hate are two very different things my friend.
@@couchsurfingsam if you have beef with someone you don’t like them 😂
Technically, all religions are "cults" in the original Greek definition of the word, as "cult" referred to a small body (what is called a congregation) of worshipers who gathered in private to perform religious rites of worship for their deities.
mormon church gatherings are entirely open to the public
@@jameschristensen1658 but I’m pretty sure most of their rituals and other things are kept in secret.
@@guidomonto3742 even from members until they rank high enough
@@guidomonto3742 no
@@guidomonto3742 Not true.. even what happens in the temples is written in the scriptures that ALL are encouraged to read. The words the movements.. etc.. it's all over the internet as well. There are even classes that are taught to members regarding what takes place in the temples. Nothing is a SECRET but we hold these things SACRED. There are 'rituals, rights' etc. in almost every ancient religion and tribes throughout the world. In the Temple in Jerusalem, there were clothing that was worn, words spoken, offerings given and places in the temple that only the Holy of Holies good go... I'm Jewish and from the Church of Jesus Christ. I have been in the Temple many times. Wonderful things take place there that bring families together such as marriages for all time AND eternity. Jesus said that whatsoever man binds on earth in only for this life time but whatsoever is bound by God is for eternity. I would want to have my children for all time and eternity... Baptism for the dead.. Christ when talking the Pharisees gave them a lesson about the resurrection. They didn't believe in the resurrection but they baptized the dead. Christ said, why baptized the dead if the dead rise not at all. He was trying to get them to understand that YES.. the dead are going to rise and they still needed to be baptized. This church is not the first in history that baptized the dead by proxy. Same with sealing of deceased family members to living so that the family lineage through time are still together for all eternity. This has been done through history as discovered through ancient writings and archeological research. So why is what my church doing so wrong? Because people don't understand it? People fear it? Because we are a peculiar people? Christ made it clear that the saving ordinance that are performed for the living must also be performed for the dead. There is an organization to everything that God does.. he is not a God of chaos. As far as 'ranking' up in the church.. there is no such thing. A man may be 'called' or 'set apart' through prayer and inspiration by a Stake President to become a Bishop of his ward.. He is only a Bishop for 4-7 years and then is replaced and he goes back into the normal congregation. A stake President is 'set apart' in that position for up to 9 years and then he is released and goes back into the normal congregation. These people in the church do not get paid but volunteer their time and it can take quite a bir of time. There is no compensation given. Someone who is 'set apart' serves in that position for a set period of time and then is released. An Apostle, the Prophet and the Patriarchs are 'ordained' into those positions for the remainder of their life. They don't 'rank' up. When the Prophet dies, yes.. it's USUALLY the president of the 12 apostles who become the next prophet but that is not always the case. The 12 apostles go to a room in the temple and they fast and pray as to who the LORD wants to be the next prophet.. not man. See, in Jewish history, it was usually the eldest son who received the Birthright and blessing from their father. This was tradition... But you will find that it was not always the case when God wanted a particular son to become the next Prophet. Esau should have but it went to Jacob, Ephraim received Joseph's but Joseph received Jacob's. God will choose who He chooses, whether a son of Pharoah who was slow of speech, had killed, had sexual relations, etc. or a 14 year old farm boy with a 3rd grade education. There is a great deal the public doesn't know about this church because there are so many people spreading lies or misconseptions.. This is not a SECRET organization.. we don't worship satan, the prophets or any other 'thing' or person.. Just Jesus Christ. Thus the name of the church.. THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST of latter day saints. By the way.. you can find that name and phrase in the dead sea scrolls found in 1947 in a cave on the coast of the Dead Sea.. How did a 14 year old boy know about that name in a scroll that was from the 3rd century BCE and found almost 100 years after his death... there is so much more that you all don't know or understand but I am more than happy to debunk your debunking. Ask me...
as someone who grew up mormon i can attest to the fact that they are not “the nicest cult”....
All organized religion is a cult
@@starpaladin9532 No they aren’t. I suggest you check the BITE model to know what a cult is.
@@benjamingurevitch4097 The definition of a cult is literally a religion
not all cults are bad, just saying.
@@Abby-pd3rx it's bad when it forces people to live in a sense of false reality that if you join us you'll be happy. While the leaders reap all the benefits. Not everybody is so easy to submit. Nor like LIVING A LIE.
Mormon and polygamy are not the same thing
arent the men promised multiple wives if they heed all commandments faithfully before death?
@Mr. Richardson Fake News
ElevationEddie I’d be screwed as a gay man. A whole planet of women. I guess we could go shopping together.
Mr. Richardson so funny even the LDS can't face that weird shit said by former prophets lol
Mr. Richardson can you give me a source
Just FYI, I have never, in 46 years of being immersed in LDS culture, heard anyone mention paying tithing on capital gains or profits of a home sale. I'm sure some LDS do this, but that's the minority; the hardcore. It's just never come up in thousands of LDS sermons or Sunday School lessons, and not doing this is certainly nothing Mormon leadership would ever call you out on.
bigbigbigdoug I feel you ,I have been to many congregations in many states ,such as all around Florida (Deltona ,Daytona,Miami,Tallahassee)and NYC,and NJ,l have never seen such things
They have 130 BILLION in assets PEAK INVESTMENTS look it up! HIDDEN! Tisk tisk would be have to ask for your money when you have more than most fortune 500's. Bishop it's time to pay your tithing and if it's not an honest tithting no temple for your or salvation. SHIT you out top heaven. Not a cult lol
Then you weren't listening very carefully, if I'm honest. The rule is 10% of _ALL_ income, which includes things like capital gains. More specifically, tithing is paid on your "increase", rather than just work-related and similar incomes, though as far as my mother was concerned they were the same thing. When I was a kid, my mother would very very sternly encourage me to pay tithing on my $5 of weekly pocket money, which had already been tithed as it came from her income, but as far as she was concerned it was income for me (an increase to the balance of my piggy bank) so the commandment was that I pay a 50c tithe. "If the money comes in, it's income" she'd say, which is why she insisted that relatives not give me cash for Christmas and birthday presents, because she didn't think it was very uplifting for me to be paying tithing on my Christmas gifts.
More recently, in our ward we actually had someone ask the Elders Quorum President (a few years ago now) during a lesson on tithing whether he was supposed to pay tithing on the sale of his house, which was in settlement, and the president said he wasn't sure but he assumed so because it was a form of income. That prompted a discussion on whether the elder in question needed to pay tithing on the whole sale or only the increase from its original purchase value, and we resolved it was the latter as he'd originally bought the house rather than inherited it. He was actually surprised about it because he'd assumed he needed to pay tithing on the full sale, so he was glad the spirit had prompted him to bring it up. This is the only time I've ever heard of anyone discussing the minutiae of tithing payments, whether in lessons or even just in conversation, so I can understand that you would have never heard of anyone mention tithing on capital gains and the like. But I think this is more a case of Church leadership assuming that members will understand and honestly follow the rule that tithing it to be paid on "all income" or their "increase" rather than any wilful attempt by leaders or membership to subvert the rules on tithing in regards to extraordinary income.
@@michaelheliotis5279 @Michael Heliotis I stand by my assertion that this hasn't been something that's been emphasized specifically. To be real, I have avoided elders' quorum almost completely for years . . mostly to avoid ultra-conservative douchecanoes trying to insist on defining the finer aspects of various doctrines for everyone else. And I have no empirical evidence regarding the percentage of LDS that would stick to the letter of the law regarding tithing to the extent of applying it to capital gains on houses . . it's just my impression based on decades of being around people. If I had to reason it out, in most cases I sell a house, but then I'm buying another house, so it's not like I'm pocketing the difference. Yes, it would still be an "increase" . . but I don't see anyone being denied a temple recommend because they moved, made a profit on the sale of their home, and didn't pay tithing on the profit. That would be one hard-core bishop demanding that.
@@douglasderu980 I don't disagree with you that it's not emphasised very much, I'm just saying the the Church's leadership probably just takes it for granted that people pay their tithing the way they're supposed to. And I don't think it's unreasonable for them to make that assumption, as most people who've obtained a financial position that affords them regular capital gains are likely to understand that they should be paying tithing on them. So anyone who isn't is very obviously cheating the Lord. I agree that you won't find a bishop who'll grind you over your once in a decade house sale, but if you're a career landlord who buys and sells houses all over the place, he'd be a pretty negligent bishop if he wasn't taking an interest in your capital gains.
lol, I used to be Mormon and they're pretty close, but Joe has a bit too much misinformation from this
What misinformation was there?
Lots... he's making generalizations and chronological misconceptions at the least.
@@LazarusSchell Can you give one example?
Logan Tatham how joseph smith made up the polygamist rule so he can bang the neighbor, but he made that rule before he was married
2:45 the signed statement he's referring to was about them claiming to have seen the golden plates. Joe Rogan then says Joseph Smith 'started it all out when he was 14' but Joseph Smith only claimed he had a vision then maybe a decade later. Back then Joseph Smith was doing things like treasure digging. 8:17, the church actually still have some (or all) of the stones it was the golden plates that were claimed to have been brought up to heaven. Again, all super close and impressive that he knows so much about Mormonism.
Joe Rogan, I always support the fact that if you need something about someone, you should go directly to the person and ask.
Seriously, the man you invited learned about Mormonism through some kind of cartoons ... it has no sense at all on the things he said.
Thank you for saying this
thanks for some sense
Jon Smith was a crook, and not a prophet at all. Humans can not become gods. God himself was never a man.
A very good comment
I was once Mormon can confirm it’s far fetched but also can confirm many of my best friends served missions and are amazing people!
Amazingly wicked and greedy.
Could be. Doesn't mean they didn't take people to hell.
It's so sad. These people can't enjoy their lives and instead go on these ridicolious missions.
There is some amazing people in the lds community, but let me tell you there are a few horrific people in that church and the titing isn't used for good they don't help no members at all
When I know what happens on the missions, during the endowments, growing up etc. I question the sanity of people who came out of that fine. They're liars
Tax exemption was instituted because the strong majority of churches were helping communities immensely.
No so they do not have to pay taxes on property or income LOL
the government dosnt care about welfare and certainly didn’t when churches got tax exempt status. they don’t pay taxes because of how much the us government is corrupted by religion
LDS hoards it's $.
The average church only gives 7 to 8 percent to charity- the rest goes to church infrastructure- church outreach- church services- buildings, land, schools, most goes directly back to church hierarchy!! Churches are the worse way to use your money if you want to give for charity/ most charitable organizations have 80 to 90 percent going directly to charity!! And churches don’t get rated like non profits do!! Non profit organizations are transparent don’t they can get a rating- churches are secretive- and many like tv evangelists are corrupt
I used to be Mormon. There's some good stuff, but their secrecy, patriarchy, finances, policies with LGBTQ+, and their psychological power over people are very disturbing.
Thanks for leaving so we didn't have to throw you out.
@@johnlee1352 Obviously you have no belief in Jesus’ lost sheep parable. I thought Mormons were Christians.
@@fatheratum5033 I leave it to others to coddle the dross. I'm more of the guy with the rope doubled up driving the moneychangers from the temple...
@@johnlee1352 Except in this case , your the one protecting the money changers; given that the church has about $120 billion and uses only about 6% of the interest in that for charity while requiring the poor to tithe before buying food for their kids. Great work!
@@fatheratum5033 If you were LDS, thanks for leaving voluntarily. If you never were LDS, thanks for staying out. We don't need the weakness and confusion.
Wrong on the tithing too. Handbook 2 is available online for anyone to read. This conversation was the blind leading the blind.
So disappointed with Joe on this. So many errors in all their assumptions. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. This church does so much good in the world. Joe why not bring a real member of this church on your show, and get facts, read the Book of Mormon also. And remember ye shall know them by their fruits
You have handbooks on how to pay LOLOLOL. Is your criminal organization also full of CPA's?
John Robert of course! How else do you think they’ve stock piled over $100 billion dollars and not paid any taxes?
@@johnrobert2072 You know nothing yet you think you know everything. Why don't you educate yourself versus just making stupid comments. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints has been extremely wise with the money they receive. They have in vested, etc. They own the worlds largest ranch, have to largest food program in the world to feed the hungry. I have used this program instead of the gov program of food stamps. etc. Nothing was required to receive it, and only stipulation is that I was seeking work (church has one of the best employment programs in the world, which got me a job), and pay tithing if I could (not required). They build beautiful temples and houses of worship only for the use of spiritual matters. We have weddings there that cost zero. If I am ever in trouble on any level they are there to help. I could tell you benefit after benefit. And poor me for all this I pay 10% of my income to it if I want and once a month I give up the price of two meals to feed the hungry if I want. This churches programs is not like the government where it is wasted, it is used wisely.
@@cj8899 Actually its 200 billion. Much of the wealth is in property such as churches and temples, farms, ranches (to feed the poor), food storage facilities called Bishop Store Houses to feed and cloth the poor, preservation of historical sites, etc. It is not money just sitting in the bank. My father once needed a surgery and had little money so the church stepped in and helps. I could give you story after story. So maybe instead of just being critical, maybe become informed and learn all the amazing good they do with what the Lord has blessed them and me as a member of that wonderful church. This is what bothers me about what Joe and this guy are saying about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They are both so ill informed, related to Joseph Smith. etc. Joseph was not banging a 14 year old girl, there is no proof of that. DNA test of ancestors have not shown truth of this. Yes we lived the law of polygamy for a short time, like many did during Bible times, and like today, which is about 54 percent of the worlds population. The problem today is with groups who practice it and abuse it. Please become informed and let us fight evil where it really exists, primarily on the Left and the real alt right.
I mean to be accurate, he was chased out of Palmyra, then chased out of Missouri, then killed in Illinois.
Because he was a fucking criminal. Among other "ungodly" things.
He was also chased out of Ohio, and left in the middle of the night, but not before torching the building that had all the records of his wrongdoing. Ohio is where he had the FAKE bank that was illegal; he created it after the state turned down his request to create a bank.
Palmyra?
Being a Mormon, it’s like when folks accuse rogan of being in on a conspiracy or being controlled and he knows the truth about his own position but the opinions of others will remain. It’s all good, but I don’t talk jiujitsu technique because I’d sound foolish to anybody with more experience or practice than myself, vice versa....
You said it so it must be true 🙄
Jason YoMama my sympathies for your negative experiences... I’m sure you’ve found zero deception or imperfections in your continued attempts at fulfillment and a happy life elsewhere...
Jason YoMama What makes magic underwear not OK? What makes symbolism wrong? You know for a fact that I can show you countless number of happy successful men and women and happy marriages and with happy kids who are in happy marriages and so on and you can point to some Bad examples as well. So who cares? I could point to good and bad examples of all in any and every type of people individual or group. , you have a mind that is triggered by Someone else’s underwear and preferred spiritual symbols and rituals... I can assure you that you think about other peoples underwear a lot more than more mormons buddy... I wish you very sexy underwear fantasies
... Except you don't have to be a mormon to know Joseph Smith was a felon, a known fraud and a conman, who had dozens of wives, some dangerously young.
LMFAOO MORMONS ARE CULTISTS
All churches should pay taxes ! Period !
Unless they give millions and millions to help those in need
@@sgaks9381 exactly. They actually put that money to good use rather than the waste that is the Federal Government.
I usually like joe rogan but A LOT of misinformation in this video. I'm really surprised by some of his ignorance on the topic
What's wrong about it?
Same man
Taylor Rogers Alright, here's my fact-checking of Joe and the other guy:
I love joe Rogans podcast, but when this needs serious correction:
1.) they are not careful enough on differentiating mainstream Mormonism from fundamental Mormonism. The former condemns the latter for their polygamy practice and is not similar to the latter much at all. 2.) guy on the right is absolutely false, the so to speak polygamy revelation is not in the Book of Mormon and the revelation that other witnesses signed to testify of was not the marriage revelation but the gold plates of the Book of Mormon. Nowhere in the same ballpark
Joseph didn't start the religion at 14, that was when he was very thoughtful about religion and claimed the beginning of his heavenly visions. The Book of Mormon came when he was 23, and many other parts of the religion gradually came for the 15 years after that.
Guy on the right mischaracterizes Joseph's "trouble with the law". Look at every case and it was largely a matter of religious intolerance. The Mormons had an extermination order against them from the government of missouri, the federal government didn't defend them while acknowledging this injustice, and the governor of Illinois knowingly permitted Joseph to be put in a jail with too few guards that could be overrun by a mob and end in his death, which is what happened, he was not murdered for justified reasons. I'm sorry but painting the federal government as the innocent and purely fair party and Joseph as some rough lawless scoundrel is very ignorant of the historical context. Religious intolerance drove their persecution, and I don't think other religions would ever receive this same lazy mischaracterization
I think this whole, Brigham young had to move west to evade federal authorities. We don't characterize the pilgrims as a cult that had to leave England to avoid just law enforcement, they left cause of religious intolerance and so did the Mormons.
The Scientology comparisons to Mormonism being anywhere in the same ballpark shows a serious lack of anything more than a superficial understanding of Mormons.
Look up the essays "Are Christians Mormon?" That's shows how Christian orthodoxy has actually followed mormon theology on several major points now in the 21st century, so the cult label isn't fitting when non Mormon scholars recognize the impressive substance of Mormon theology and when mainstream Christianity now aligns with it on several points.
I like joe's concession at the end that most Mormons are really good people. The question must then be asked, can good fruit come from a bad tree? I get if people don't want to believe in the supernaturalism surrounding some of Joseph smiths claims, but there must be other admirable parts of the religion that is producing such good people and motivating people to be so Christlike. And for some reason ppl prefer to focus on the controversial rather than the mainstream
Most normal people are ignorant to LDS cult members. ONly Cult members are more ignorant than just about anyone else on LDS subject SAD www.wivesofjosephsmith.org Question everything the cult tells you
@@johnrobert2072 lol I never denied the original church practicized polygamy and I'm very aware of my religion. This is where accuracy about representation is important and that was Joe's error, even though he also goofed up on a lot of the facts as well. congrats you sent me one website that I've known about for a long time. Its not that we don't know about this history, there's an ugly side to it, the problem is that the embellishment and exaggeration by you and in this one time case, Joe, is that you're making up stuff on top of it and taking it way out of proportion. Get Educated please or don't be posting about it.
Netflix, why Mormons should smoke pot: “You guys, what if Joseph Smith made it all up?!” 😂
Crux161 Jesus is made up
I think you're thinking of mushrooms
Jesus is real
@@binguscat2514 and Quadalupe is your mother! lol
He was probably on dmt😁
All religions have one thing in common. All of them started out as a cult.
That warm and friendly vibe Mormons have is an act. They’re very nice to outsiders to their face but a lot are two faced. They are so kind and nice with a great sense of community until you are one of them and start questioning your beliefs. They’ll slowly turn away from you and once you decide that the religion isn’t accurate they will shun you all together. Or at least that’s what happened to me and everyone I knew that used to be a member. But I’m sure it’s not everyone that will do that and most will say it doesn’t happen at all.
Totally 💯 Same thing happened to me. They’re nice as long as they think they can convert you or that you are a true believer. If you are a critic, they will shun you.
Im sure even a girlfriend will be nice if you’re devoted to her but be mean if you leave her.
Where do you live? I'm mormon (before I start I want to say I respect your opinion and hope you respect mine) and my whole life, they have been very kind to me and my family. The only time I've seen what your saying is teenage girls and boys. They break every rule but put on a face. The reason they do this is because they are afraid to leave. It is kind of scary now that I think about it... wait, is it a cult?!
While I’m not denying the existence of the problem you’ve mentioned, having known several “ex-mormons” I wonder if there might be another factor that makes it feel like they’ve suddenly turned their backs on you. Could it be that after you decided that the religion isn’t real you became very critical of huge swathes of church practices, beliefs, etc. which constitute a huge amount of those people’s lives? Put differently, it might have been that they felt you were attacking their lifestyle unjustly and were put off by that. I know that the first thing most ex-mormons I’ve known do is spout off about how miserable the church’s practices are and how stupid their beliefs are, etc. and I can see how that causes people to “shun you.” Again, I’m not saying that what happened in your case isn’t legitimate or that this kind of thing doesn’t happen, but I don’t think most ex-Mormons are very fair on this subject
@@elicindrich3282 I can see your point and I’m sure that is a case with a lot of ex Mormons. I can’t speak for everyone but with me personally, I didn’t openly criticize anyone I knew or the church until after I was cast out. I believe that anyone has the right to believe what they choose as long as it doesn’t cause harm to others. At the risk of sounding hypocritical, my issue is when those beliefs influence the holders to treat others as less than equals. To clarify, I’m not in any way saying that all Mormons shun those that leave and in fact I still have friends that are Mormon that know my story. We don’t judge each other and have had healthy discussions about our beliefs. I’m human and not perfect so I’m sure I have been guilty of similar actions that I experienced. When I do realize that I’m doing the same thing I try to correct myself. Yet my emotions do get the best of me when talking about my experience with this subject and I do sometimes generalize which I realize isn’t fair to everyone that is a member of that church.
When we moved to Utah in the 90s. We were welcomed by half the neighborhood, once they found out that we weren't Mormon and we didn't go to church. None of the kids were allowed to play with us and basically we were ignored from there on out. They like to keep to their own. Oh and trust me they'll act like you don't exist.
Not all of us are like that. But I believe you 100% because I grew up with these idiots. They focus on the wrong part of Christianity often because some of them are so frightened.
They only tolerate non members to the extent that they hope to convert them one day. When it's clear you are not interested, you are automatically shunned.
@@garys.2291 You hit the nail on the head
Sounds like a dream honestly. I wish all of my neighbors acted like I didn't exist
@@LilView
You want to live around neighbors that secretly hate you?
I was raised Mormon and was actually reading the Book of Mormon and had somewhat of a belief in the church all the way up until 8 months ago when I had a near death experience. You would think that would push me closer to god but it did the opposite I woke up from a coma and had to repent for all my sins to my bishop which were things like having sex, drinking beer and smoking weed. The reason it pushed me away is because everyone was saying things like “ we’re asking everyone in the ward to pray for you”and “we’re fasting for you” they believed that through fasting and prayer my life was saved and I was like uhh no the doctors and surgeons saved my life my family is still super Mormon so no hate to Mormons they’re really nice people I just am not that gullible to believe in that comical religion
Go a step further. Doctors and surgeons didn’t save your life, it was the natural self healing operations of the body merely aided by doctors that saved it. Doctors don’t heal bodies, they only help bodies to heal themselves. Go another step further. Your life wasn’t saved, your death was postponed. Memento Mori
@@skootempaw694 I think you meant to say “pray” and not “prey.” At any rate, I don’t think the TH-cam comment section is a good place to proselytize. As a platform for religious discourse, it’s worse than pamphlets.
@@skootempaw694 ok.. I pray too... I also live in Salt Lake City, and have lots of lovely Mormon coworkers where I work building furniture for the temples. I don’t have anything against Mormons, I just don’t think proselytizing in TH-cam comments works.
@@skootempaw694 sure. No hate. I was just advocating for the “right time and place.”
@@elijahbachrach6579 Then don't hang about in utube comment sections. Problem solved. It's an "Occum's Razor" function of cognition whence making choices. Google it for clarity.
I'm an ex mormon. I just want to clarify that the FLDS practices pologamy but that is a small group compared to the LDS church which banned polagmy. The LDS church is the one knocking on peoples doors and handing out book of mormons and all of that. With all that theres a reason I left. Many reasons actually
Joe should get Jon Krakauer on the podcast!!!
Krakauer too respected
I was raised Mormon and they speak more truth than any bother church i have visited.
They speak Lies nonstop.
I was raised Mormon and they speak more truth than any other church I have visited.
They speak Lies nonstop.
@@jeffs4483 Then you must be the one in the cult
@@josephwalker9440
That would be Mormons.
@@josephwalker9440 how can Joesph smith explain this Bible Verse Isaiah 43:10-11 You are my witnesses,(A)” declares the Lord,
“and my servant(B) whom I have chosen,
so that you may know(C) and believe me
and understand that I am he.
Before me no god(D) was formed,
nor will there be one after me.(E)
11 I, even I, am the Lord,(F)
and apart from me there is no savior.)
They also teach Jesus is a created being and that he and Satan are brothers. That’s false.
How can a Mormon explain this Colossians 1:15-17 or 18 15 The Son is the image(A) of the invisible God,(B) the firstborn(C) over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created:(D) things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities;(E) all things have been created through him and for him.(F) 17 He is before all things,(G) and in him all things hold together.
Js was a known fraud and banged kids lol wtf you mean
Joe loooveeesss talking about those frontal lobes of the brain
He thinks it makes him sound smart.
Don’t know if this is correct but I heard at one point he started to smoke a joint before each interview too. Sometimes I think he just likes to talk about whatever and sometimes doesn’t really care about the topic. Like some things are just throwaway topics for him idk lol
Can you imagine if Joe Rogan was licking your earlobe?
Grew up in utah and was raised in the church. I left the church when I was 18. Nicest people, but OH BOY are they judgemental.
Thanks for leaving on your own so we didn't have to throw you out.
Judging a group as judgmental.....irony bomb
Wow...you know 16 million people well enough to judge them all? What a guy!...idiot
Wow, way to be an example. How christ like of you.
@@mcanders19 Oh...NOW you're concerned for the standards of the church? Judged 16 million people unrighteously and now you're playing the victim...a millennial no doubt.
On the surface they look nice but once you get deeper, things get dark.
Like a David Lynch movie, like Blue Velvet, Twin Peaks...
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them
Facts, mormonism is a cult, true Christianity is by the Bible, the 66 nooks we have now is all we need
@@warriorofgod1412
A cult is a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.
If Christ is your "particular figure" i hope you are in a cult too.
Mormons are bad fruits, correct.
@@jasonbowers130 ah yes but Joseph Smith was a false prophet
Whatever happens you guys, don't take the covid19 vaccine
I live in Boise and in my neighborhood we have a hardcore fundamentalist Mormon family, you know the kind where the women wear homemade dresses that go down to the ankles and the men wear plain buttoned down shirts and off brand blue jeans that never quite fit right, the teenage son comes over to my house from time to time looking for work, every once in a while I’ll have him clear brush and give him a few bucks, one day while he was working I asked him if he wanted some water and started asking him about himself, he’s about 16, never been to school, doesn’t own a tv, supposedly a master furniture maker, and his last name is Jeffs. Right then my ears perked up and I said “oh yeah, like part of the Warren Jeffs family”? And he looked at me like how could this heathen possibly know Warren? Then I said “I watch the news” and he immediately clammed up and I couldn’t get anymore out of him. I don’t know where he falls in the family lineage (there’s 100’s of em) but I suspect that family managed to “break off” from the rest of the cult and are now living in a quiet neighborhood in Boise, he hasn’t been back since, kinda a weird kid
Those...are not Mormons bro.
Radical Vlogs don’t defend them man, “those” are Mormons just more on the fundamentalist side than you might like
@@isitwindy21 I dont think so but I could be wrong.
Yeah, those are FLDS, not LDS
@@RealHorhay actually flds actually follow the religion as it was originally written. They are all cut from the same religion with flds actually being more true to its origins. Read more about it if you are interested.
The reorganized church practices polygamy, not lds
@Snow Angel nothing I said was wrong though lol, we used to practice polygamy, and we no longer do
the lds church still practices polygamy. Although you cannot be married to more that 1 wife at a time, you can be sealed to multiple women.
No, the reorganized LDS church always rejected polygamy and denied that J Smith practiced it. the FLDS church and its offshoots are the polygamists. So many LDS branches it can get confusing ...
@@harrisonwintergreen1147 that's who I meant flds
Will iam Lmaoo what
I drove thru Colorado City a few years ago on my way to the Grand Canyon. It was very surreal. All the homes were partly finished and I saw no one except for a pickup truck with a bunch of kids in pioneer clothes in the back.
That was most likely then re - enacting the story of how Brigham young marched to Utah , it’s called “ trek” where teens and the leaders wear pioneer clothing and walk for days
@@emilywilson696 If only that's what they were doing.
I was listening to a podcast today about why their homes are unfinished. It has something to do with tax statuses.
@@seppyq3672 This is a worldwide thing. Big in Greece. You leave an upper floor unfinished and therefore it's not technically 100% a "dwelling". Very clever thing. Not all countries tolerate this, here in the UK they don't.
“Most of their money goes to good causes”
Lol they got slammed by the IRS yesterday for evading $100billion dollars worth of taxable income
Wrong - I think you mean a disgruntled former employee apostate member filed forms with the IRS in an attempt to get rich by starting an audit and claim a portion of the taxes collected. Mormon leadership are above board with paying necessary taxes. They are audited annually by Price Waterhouse Cooper and KPMG. The IRS already has the documents regarding of the entity in question. This is going to go nowhere.
Raddie Mutto We will see
@@raddiemutto7934 Evidence provided by the whistle blower proves otherwise. Not once in the 22 years of this "charitable", tax exempt fund did the mormon church use so much as one penny to fund any charitable causes.
Especially when we were led to believe that it was all going to charity rather than a stockpile of money they deserve to be taxed. I was Mormon until a year ago and then on top of the issues I had which weren’t related to tithing, this whole thing comes out yaaaaa I was mislead I may be disgruntled but I’m not a moron
@@andyr49 😂 are you kidding me? Ok. Just the first to come to mind of a long list. 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami relief. Mormon church gave over $31 MILLION in cash and supplies to aid in recovery. More than almost all aid organizations. Read for yourself under non governmental organizations en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanitarian_response_to_the_2004_Indian_Ocean_earthquake
It's weird Scientology and Mormonism is always mentioned together It's scary.
It’s because there both cults and make no fucking sense lol
Rogan mentions Scientology always with religion to establish his belief
Why are people offended by existence of religion? It exists, so what? Noone's forcing you to preach.
Because they interfere in all aspects of life based on 0 scientific evidence proclaiming that their imaginary friend is the real deal, the other 3000 imaginary friends aren't and so what they say is important. Look at abortion or euthanasia or stem cell research, all the nutters with their imaginary friends sticking their nose in everyone's business. No one would care if the lunatics would keep their insane ranting to themselves.
@@AusExplorer Adhominim attack that is intellectually disingenuous.
Because it's a fallacy. But it's good exists so that people can know someday that it's false.
I am not religious but Mormons look happy 😁
They're not trust me. Fakest people on the planet
I lived in SLC for 3 years. When I was moving out of my apartment, someone came inside while I was moving boxes to my car and left a Book of Mormon on my counter. That’s creepy.
Yeah but that’s just a creep not a typical Mormon
That was a bad apple
Plus that really isn’t that creepy
It’s just like leaving a bible at someone’s front door it’s just someone tryna spread the word on christ
You may be surprised how much of the food pantries are actually filled by the Mormon or LDS church here in Utah or an Idaho or in California or Nevada. On top of teaching people to farm arranging for running water and small villages Distributing clothes to third world countries and two natural disaster areas and a number of actual relief efforts such as those that Community also teaches literacy to the poor trades to people who normally wouldn't have a future otherwise and creates educational opportunities, helps people in everything from addiction recovery to abuse recovery to people who want to go through their program for genital identity issues. They hit help women who are in trouble with pregnancies another issues worldwide and their youth is constantly involved in service activities with their leadership. They've helped build auditing programs and systems for organizations to make sure that they are not wasting money or having recourse stolen from them.
Yeah definitely a cult 😂
@MoseleySquad13
By definition, all Christianity is a cult. It isn't an insult if you believe Mary was mortal.
@@MoseleySquad13just cuz you don’t want the money that’s used for helping communities stolen isn’t a cult lmao
In reality the church hoards $$$$money$$$$ and does very little to actually help people. In ONE investment account alone the church has more than $ONE BILLION DOLLARS. Yes, that's Billion with a "B." And they continue to hoard the money while not helping when there is so much need. You really should investigate who is actually on the front lines doing good, because it most definitely is not the Mormon church.
You are wrong. The money from tithing does not go to helping poor people. It goes to building the church.
and went to paying for that mall, even though the Church promised it wouldnt multiple times.
@@kenziek6707So the alternative is to just give money to poor people? Don’t you think it would make more sense to build up an economy in a way that actually helps people for life? You know how many jobs that mall created? How many more people have sustainable income now because of this?
@@johnsonchase The church lied about where the money was going is the point. The lds church was made to pay millions of dollars in fines for lying to them. The SEC published a list of the real investment the LDS church currently has there are several things on it the LDS church preaches against. Like Alcohol, why is it alcohol is so bad and yet you can even buy at the LDS mall, to say nothing of the hotels the LDS church invested in that sell it and even a bar, "Dave and Busters Entertainment", is primarily a bar. I guess its only "bad" if the "lord" doesn't make money off it.
The LDS church isn't at all interested in supporting people its interested in making money, that's all. How else do you explain things like the LDS church has over 100 Billion dollars (which it also tried lying about when it claimed "the majority funds go to funding temples and humanitarian projects" yet got rid of its paid custodial staff to clean up temples and instead have families volunteer to do it?
The LDS church has been caught int he flat out blatant lie that it somehow gives a "billion in humanitarian projects". It first tried that claim a few years ago, but the fine print was it was its TOTAL amount since the since the 80s until then. The church still tries to claim that, even though it never once appeared on the top 400 charities of the us. Funny how little tiny willow creek church by itself gives more to charity than the LDS empire with its billions of dollars. And willow creek church doesn't have any Hawaiian resorts, over 2 billion dollars invested in big pharma, investments in hotels, Amazon (which also sells many things the lds church preaches against). I guess this shows either the leaders of the church know what they say is all a lie or its only "bad" if the "lord" isn't making off things h3es against. Either way the LDS church is horrible, lies all the time and I am so glad I left it.
@@johnsonchasereally? You are actually trying to defend the fact that tithing funds were used (despite EXPLICIT promises by GBH) to build a billion dollar for-profit mall? Let’s us not forget the only other time (literally!) funds from the EPA were used was to bail out a for-profit insurance company. Highly unethical and I imagine the IRS whistle blower case will deem the actions illegal too.
My older brother converted to Mormonism about 5 years ago and he’s turned into the most annoying person I’ve ever met. When he caught me smoking weed (when I was 20, living on my own), he called my mom and told on me. I was 20, and he was 25 when that happened. The fuck bruh.
My best friend was a Mormon, idk, never really asked him about it. But down the line 8 years of being my bro, he stole from me, and lowkey gets at all my exes. Cut him off since.
Untrustworthy and MANIPULATE! MANIPULATE like the DEVIL!
I mean that doesn't have anything to do with his religion he's just a bad guy.
Mormonism literally encourages bad behavior.
@@jeffs4483 what? How?
@@Redrexdex
Cult behavior.
Ex member here. Yes, it is.
Just because someone is friendly doesn't mean they're not stupid
I grew up Mormon. I think they're kind people, however generally not nice. Extraordinarily judgmental as well and generally unaccepting. This is having grown up on the east coast in the church and also living utah as an adult as an ex Mormon.
Interesting conversation, but as an active Latter-day Saint it pains me how little they know about my religion and it's founding and yet think they are authorities on the subject. His explanation of Joseph Smith's polygamy and his justifications for it is pure conjecture. He also fails to distinguish between The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and other polygamist groups.
Agree or disagree, you guys buy into the word of a charlatan and I’m ashamed to live in Utah because of y’all.
Christians and the LDS church speak the same language but mean totally different things. Father God was never a man, let alone a man who had his own planet. Jesus wasn't a spirit child originally. He has present since the beginning of time. He came to earth 2,000 years ago but has been around a lot longer. That is a small sample of why no Christian religion considers the LDS church as christian. But the members are really nice!
For sure. Be sure to let that fuel your delusions.
My wife was bullied by Mormons growing up in utah, they are horrible people.
Generalizing
Their cult makes them nuts.
"they're really nice people and are good to each other"
until you hear the women talk about the drama and the other women and cliques and slights in primary and young women and relief society. You'd think the only true church would be some level of different from the rest of the world. But no.
This! Because I've never met pettier people then the ones who claim that they're oh so holy. And their teachings on obedience are nothing short of authoritarianism.
In the LDS church we are taught charity. Some members are really slow students. Fortunately, God has charity, and patience.
And the priesthood’s general lack of energy and enthusiasm outside of camping😂
@@austinellsworth9641 ha!
@@austinellsworth9641 definitely.
Oh boy, I ain't no Angel but I am a Mormon. If one doesn't care about accuracy keep listening to the guy on the right. Lol.
Lol.
The awkwardness of this statement, haha
You do not even understand the fundamental truth claims of your religion.
cesletter.org
@@toyconnoisseur4948 it is impossible for you to know your last statement. God speed brother.
cesletter.org
what did he say that was inaccurate? He even said that that it was the fundamentalists. I'm a Mormon.
@@chubydukskruber7969 well if he's speaking about the fundamentals then perhaps it's accurate. I heard references to "The Mormons". It was ten months ago that I listened....... Follow?
Fundamentalists will never be Mormon.
One difference between a religion and a cult is that religions tolerate and mostly ignore any critics and naysayers, and just move forward with those who have common beliefs. Cults, on the other hand, have very little tolerance for members who question or criticize the organization or its leaders, and will move to punish and penalize offenders in many ways, usually making it as public and painful as possible. Social pressure is a powerful tool, and one that cults depend upon heavily for their status and longevity.
By this definition, the mormon church is decidedly not a cult.
Yea of all churches Mormons are actually some of the least cult like by this definition
@@Zachary- Excactly. I don't see the church talking badly about anti-mormons lol
That's the mormon church right there. The members may seem really nice on the outside but if you offend them, your life is over.
Yeah. It is. So was Christianity at one point. The definition is: "a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.", and "a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object."
Any religion seen as fringe is considered a cult.
Mormonism: the religion for people for whom ordinary religions are just not weird enough.
Great video. He was really mistaken when he assumed the majority of the Mormon church's money goes to help people, though.
Yeah I looked it up and it might only be like 3% (1 billion out of 32 billion?... But a google search isn't always reliable).
A friend of mine, C. T. , doesn't believe in the facts about Mormonism. Her dad was a bishop of their Mormon church, so when she was still living with her family in Utah, she was obligated to go to church and take part in the activities. Now, she lives in California, and does NOT attend any Mormon church. She is a very good hearted and intelligent person, and said that she is much happier living in California. More power to her.
Orthodox Jew here. I was the U.S Military and had a lot of Mormon friends. Prior to enlisting I didn’t know a single one. Mormonism is odd, especially the more you learn about it, but if a cult makes you nice, productive, patriotic, and family orientated, I have no problem with it.
Considering the first double agent the FBI had was a Mormon and the LDS church just made news for getting 91 new lawsuits against it for child sex crimes, I think you need to seriously redefine "nice" also if Mormons are so great, tell me why did Israel ban them from proselytizing? Oh i know its because the LDS church was baptizing Jewish holocaust victims into it after they were dead. And then the church swore up and down it would stop at the request of Israel and it keeps on doing so.
And sine you are such an expert on the LDS church tell me why is it the LDS church had a staunch and vocal Nazi as the head of its German branch during WW2? Why did thew LDS church post "Jews not allowed ot enter" on all its meeting houses? Why is it the LDS church was all giddy about Hitler when it published "Mormonism in the new Germany" in its church news? Why is it, the LDS church proudly displayed the LDS boys basketball team preforming the Nazi salute in honor of the Nazi party after millions of Jews were already executed?
Being Jewish is more than posing for a picture.
quite disgusting the way the LDS church browned nosed hitler in that article. Not that you would know or even care probably.
My ex-girlfriend is a Mormon, and we actually broke up because of some mix-ups and then a religious debacle near the end. The people are definitely nice, but if your only source of validity and authenticity is "spirituality" or what your heart tells you, and not actual research from non-biased sources, that can be very detrimental and saddening.
So what
If there nice there nice
Shermer also conveniently ignores that the church doesn't have any paid clergy.
I mean technically the ga do but it's not paid with out tithing money and their wages although not exactly low aren't exactly anything to be jealous over either
The GAs definitely are paid a very good salary out of Tithing money. The church has over $100 BILLION DOLLARS in one investment account alone. Very, VERY wealthy. And very little actual charity.
Grew up Mormon for 18 years, even attended BYU Utah... I stopped being active when I was 19 and it took me until recently, 31 years old to fully realize that indeed I was raised in 100% a cult. In hindsight, everything they do is cult like behavior. Believe everything your told or get in trouble, do not ask questions. I can’t tell you how many 4,5,6 year old kids get up in front of their church every “fast” Sunday as their parents whisper into their ear to declare they believe that Joseph smith was a true prophet and the Book of Mormon is true. Then, as teenagers when the guys and girls are in class together and the teachers asks what we should look for in a future spouse all the girls raise their hand and over exaggeratedly say “a return missionary!” Mostly nice people who have honestly no idea they are in a cult and just want to be “good” but..... 100% a cult
Let me tell you something. Utah Mormonism is pretty different than the rest of it. I used to live there I am in Colorado now and it way different.
Not a cult praying for you to know the truth ok because God loves you
By their fruits ye shall know them.
Exactly. Mountain meadow massacre, millions of inbred children, Utah has the highest depression rate in the country. A religion based on sex and racism.
I'm a born, lived and will die a member of the LDS church.
It always worked for me.
Still does!
Your good with the fact that JS banged kids and was a known fraud then? Odd
It works for you because you don't need the truth.
Enjoy becoming your own God on your own planet:) Gotta work your way up in the Cult, right?
@@domplumridge488 js you mean Joseph smith or am I wrong?
Yes it is because if you attempt to leave, they make threats against you and your family, so it's very difficult to get out once you are in. They will bully, harass, intimidate, and it doesn't stop. Normal Christian churches don't do this type of behavior, if you want to leave, they don't care.
Not true. I left the church and removed my name. No threats, they didn’t come after me. People from the church were kind and always talked to me and we had playgroups at the park and nobody talked about church at all.
Mormons don't do that.
@@MissJanina1
Yes they do. Happened to me and many others.
@@jeffs4483 In all my years in the church, I have seen many people leave and they have never been shunned by their families or the other members of the church. If it happened to you, it was the individual's choice, not something religious. People aren't perfect.
@@MissJanina1
It's common practice for the LDS Cult to shun those that leave. This is how cults operate. Us versus them mentality.
Hey Joe. Mormons that you know that are Olympic Wrestlers and MMA Fighters include Mark Shultz, Cael Sanderson, Rulon Gardner, and also Mark Hunt- who used to have an LDS symbol on his fighting trunks,- but I do believe that Mark Hunt isn't a practicing Mormon at this time in his life. Just some trivia.
That’s not how you spell Mark Schultz’s name you boner.
HeroSquad1millionA.D. Thanks I will try and do better at re-checking my spelling. What other skills do you havr besides trolling for TH-cam spelling errors, staring at your balls all day and wondering why nobody responds to your friend requests on Facebook.
Joseph Smith was a wrestling state champ if I recall correctly
Some trivia, nobody gives a F
And Mark Shultz is out and glad of it!!!
As an ex Mormon, I agree, most members and lay leaders are very kind and well meaning. The problem comes from the top. Whether they believe their rhetoric or not, it really doesn’t matter; their dogmatism is not only offensive, it’s divisive and can even be psychologically abusive.
You mentioned that he was 14 when he started to translate the Book of Mormon, he was also extremely uneducated at the time, if he did make it up (because 14 year olds do lie) how would he have been able to write an entire book, in complex language even for his time without any grammatical errors? No 14 year old kid I know could make something like the Book of Mormon up especially not an uneducated one.
Education was much more important to a lot of people back then. 14 year olds today eat tide pods, back then they helped raise their families
Lucas Russo doesn’t change the fact that Joseph smith was uneducated so he would’ve been unable to come up with and write himself. todays youth are generally more educated than the adults back then, illiteracy wasn’t an uncommon thing for adults, because it wasn’t a priority in their lives, like you said 14 year olds had to help raise a family, there wasn’t enough time to go to school and read and write when you’re trying to put food on the table for several people in your family. Joseph smith did become educated later and life but that wasn’t until long after the church was restored. If you look at the language used in the Book of Mormon, it’s *old* it was very old even in Joseph Smiths time. Which would make it a thousand times harder to come up with yourself, as an uneducated 14 year old at the time.
Boston _ it wouldn’t be too hard to come up with if you’re changing the words of already existing scripture to better suit your idea. Multiple evidences that the KJV bible was changed just slightly in several instances to become the BoM
Lucas Russo you couldn’t just slightly change the Bible to get the Book of Mormon. That claim is insane. Look at the stories in the Book of Mormon, consistent with the Bible, yet different.
Boston _ take a look at the CES letters direct comparisons, it’ll make more sense what I’m saying.
Instead of getting commentary on Mormonism from people who have no clue, why don't you interview someone who can actually speak from a position of authority? I've heard you interview a few people who have made comments on Mormonism that are completely wrong. Having these guys comment on Mormonism is like asking Bill Burr to comment on astrophysics because he heard Neil DeGrasse Tyson speak one time.
michael shermer at least seems to know what he’s talking about but there are obviously better podcasts made by historians
Cleanup Efforts Underway in Asia Following Typhoon Mangkhut
The typhoon, known as Typhoon Ompong in the Philippines, packed destructive winds and torrential rain as it cut across northern Luzon. Dozens of people lost their lives after heavy rains triggered landslides. Ninety-six Latter-day Saint chapels in the affected areas of the Philippines sheltered more than 4,000 members and friends of the Church during the typhoon where they received food and water.
LDS Charities, the humanitarian arm of the Church, is coordinating relief efforts alongside Church volunteers who are repacking suppplies and distributing 7,000 food kits in the affected Philippine provinces.
In Hong Kong, members and more than 100 missionaries from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have been working to help clean debris in the community. High wind smashed windows in the city, tearing off parts of buildings and roofs, while the storm surge flooded hotels and restaurants. Eight meetinghouses received minor flooding along with landscape damage. The Hong Kong China Temple received minor landscape damage but has reopened. Miraculously no lives were lost though a few hundred were injured and some were displaced. . .
www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/cleanup-efforts-underway-asia-following-typhoon-mangkhut
cdowis ITS A CULT DO YOUR HOMEWORK YOU FUCKING WEIRDO!!
He is selling LDS Cult and paid by them!
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What does their humanitarian efforts have to do with their doctrine being true or not? Both people on this podcast stated they thought Mormons were nice people. So i'm not sure what point you think you're making.
@Will iam My only point towards the OP is that Mormons could be the nicest people or contribute the most in humanitarian efforts and that wouldn't in any way lend itself as evidence the religion itself is True. Which is why I'm confused on the point the OP is making.
Joe, I love your channel but I have to say, that your conversation today was all over the map! Wow!
I don’t know if I’d say NO religious institutions should get tax exceptions; the Catholic Church is the largest private provider of education and runs the most soup kitchens (privately) in the US. Many Protestant, Muslim, Hindu, and Buddhist groups do valuable secular outreach in their communities as well. Call me crazy but I don’t want one, central, politicized entity controlling all food and social service for the needy through the Federal government with taxes; they are the most inefficient group I’ve seen in my life time that is allowed to continue existing.
I can understand that. Problem is the LDS Church has amassed in just ONE investment account alone $100 BILLION DOLLARS. Yes, that's BILLION with a "B." They do very little good, and use only a tiny percentage of their wealth for charity, and usually only when they can get good press attention in return. A church that wealthy can afford to contribute something to the country that made it so wealthy. As it stands they pay NOTHING toward the upkeep of all the infrastructure they benefit from -- roads, water systems, sewer systems, electricity infrastructure, etc. They should at the very least participate in covering costs and they should pay property tax on their vast holdings. The Catholic Church does contribute much more than the LDS Church does.
They built a 2.1 billion dollar Mall in Salt Lake City Utah with the money they make from " tithing".
-ex mormon
Wasn't that mall built exclusively using the profits earned from some of the other businesses the church owns, and not from tithing, or am I mixing it up with the several other things that people accused them of using tithing for when they actually weren't?
@Mr. Richardson Thursday Violist is right. The mall was funded by the business arm of the church, probably like Deseret Book revenue. I also remember the city of Salt Lake appreciated it at the time. It was healthy for the economy for the mall to be built. There was a 2008 recession, the mall was completed in 2012. It was the only new mall being built at the time in the United States. So the timing was a blessing a strategic and practical. Mr. Richardson doesn't know what he's talking about. And you're right that although the church is not against the use of medical marijuana, the church could care less about helping to sustain medical marijuana if it's the competition to their big pharma stocks. So what?
The LDS church is the second richest religion in the world (second to Catholics) and yet the church is ran like as if it is non profit. No one in the church receives money, and all money gets put towards building and maintaining churches and temples, service work like disaster relief, helping less fortunate members by providing food and supplies like toiletries etc. and more than that of which I can list off of the top of my head.
@@matthewhardwick8220 who pays for the homes, cars, luxuries, ect of the leadership of the church?
I’ve been in this church since birth. I left at 25. It was the absolute worst thing that ever happened to me I was forced into slave labour and imprisoned by a patriarch in Colorado. This church and the people are a horror story! When my three year old daughter was sick and dying from a curable problem, they ordered me to give the money to the church that I needed for her meds, I was unemployed at the time, they ordered me to give the church the money, and if she died, then it is gods will. I had enough of this shit and left the church, after that, they were not nice at all. I will never set foot in another church again in my life.
Is your daughter okay?
Here's the thing. I grew up in a Mormon family and yeah they believe crazy shit just like every other religion but in the end, people are really nice and it creates a good family culture. And the tithing the members pay actually does go towards humanitarian aid and other things like that (besides the obvious expenses of property and facilities). I used to think the whole tithing thing was just straight up bs but facilities and land do cost money and members don't actually have to pay money to be a member...unlike scientology. But yeah if you want to donate money to a humanitarian cause, donating through the Mormon church's department of that, you'll very likely get more of that money actually going towards the cause than other charities. So yeah I'm not a member anymore (well "active".. Not going to bother getting my name removed from the records). But at the end of the day it produces really nice generous people. Plus all their churches have basketball courts...which is fuckin dope.
Why do they all have courts?
a lot of their money goes into property investment though, and I don’t like how tithing is mandatory because some members in poverty can’t go to the highest glory due to it. Not to mention the good family culture is only good for you if you manage to fit in it. I am very family oriented, but I am trans and I do not want to marry a man, they would never approve of my decision to be me and start a family with a woman.
Fax the courts are dope
We ball up on the church courts every Monday!!!!
Less than 0.2% of the church's money goes to charity. The Church is very VERY wealthy. And it it just investing all those BILLIONS OF DOLLARS and making more money every day. They're building all those Temples to try and hide the membership decline.
Please read the CES Letter so you don't get blindsided.
It absolutely is a cult.
I was at least somewhat christian until i moved to a town with a lot of mormons and now I just don't feel comfortable with that stuff anymore. the not cursing, Not being able to hangout Sundays, no sleepovers, etc. it started to piss me off
Not to mention their irrational hatred of tea and coffee.
@@johnb5254 Yeah because they do drink soft drinks which have caffeine. There's no reason for that shit, it makes no sense.
I also dislike that they can't watch Rated R movies. The list goes on and it's almost like they're not allowed to be human
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I tell them Coffee is much healthier than a Coke but they can't understand. Haha.
8:35 no any real Christian will consider them a cult. They Believe in Jesus but they don’t believe in the same Jesus.
Just not true at all. Just have more text about Jesus. Not a different Jesus, we read the King James Bible
Quattro Bajeena my Jesus is the Son of God who came to earth. He was born in Bethlehem. He walked amongst the jews and taught his father’s word. He suffered in the garden of gethsemane for the sins of the world. He was spit on, beaten, whipped, mocked, falsely accused, betrayed, and nailed to a cross to die on calvary. He was placed in a tomb and had the entrance sealed. Three days later he was gone. He had risen and was resurrected.
If you and I believe in a different Jesus, then you clearly believe in the wrong one.
They are still a cult. I used to be mormon and I found a lot of things that don’t match with the word of God. Good works does not give you salvation. Good works come later. It’s God’s way how to teach you to be a good person. That’s part of the process to clean you. Accepting Jesus Christ is the only way to the Father. Romans 3:20 20Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God's sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.
Since 2007 Mormonism has lost about 7 million, about half the victims. That's good
Sources?
@@daca_star4life599 you can Google it. You can watch TH-cam posts from tv stations.
I grew up in the LDS church. They put on a front of kindness and niceness, but they are not. They are some of the most judgmental, backstabbing people you will ever meet. They just can do it all with a smile on their face, so people think they are nice. They are racist, homophobic, misogynistic, and elitist. If you are not popping out kids like a pez dispenser with an "appropriate" mate by the age of 25, say goodbye to any future prospects in the church. Also due to the Mormon church owning so many businesses in Utah, not being in good favor with the church can destroy your career. There is an entire section of the church devoted to helping people hook up so they can pop out babies. Its called the singles ward, and it is full of some of the most scared and desperate people you will ever meet (they still are smiling the whole time though).
I had a relative, who had some kind of genetic issue where her children kept being born with down syndrome, but she was pressured by the church and its members to be a good daughter of god, and be fruitful and multiply. So even though she was poor, even though her children were born sick and she could barely afford to feed herself, she kept having them. She dug herself into a deeper and deeper financial hole. Because if she did not, everyone in her congregation would turn on her. All while wearing a smile.
That is the true nature of the Mormon church. Just because someone smiles at you, doesn't make them your friend.
Im a mormon and not any of that i like to Learn about others I guess you could say I'm a very curious i try not To judge but I'm humble enough to admit that I do it I was strong neck for Justice And I will say things are wrong in the Church But I mean they teach you about some basics that are important in life that I don't think anyone can say wrong about that I was born into it but I am not stupid and I am not blind I guess because I'm different because I was bullied in the church so I was able to I don't know Evolve in a way of knowing how not to judge others because I know how it feels And I'm never that person just shouts out scriptures at people to say they're wrong cause that's just wrong in general
This conversation is fascinating
I don’t understand why people always bring up polygamy when it comes to my church. I’m a young teen, so I may just not understand the significance of that to non-members yet, but I can guarantee that there is so many other things that can be spoken about our church, yet are rarely spoken about.
Because it was one of the foundations the church was built on. Look at D&C section 132 its still in there. I admit though, there is far worse stuff like the Bishops talking to little 8-11 year old children behind closed door about sex going into Extreme detail at times. Yea they now ALLOW parents int he room, but, since bishops control Temple recommends not a single parent I knew while I was in would dare question a bishop and the bishop wouldn't let them. Its why sexual abuse in children is so common in the church. Yea, now Bishops are getting arrested but the same abuse was going on for decades with nothing ever being said. Last year the guy who did the music for the LDS website, the LDS assistant Attorney General for the State of Utah, a Bishop who was a Mayor, a elders quorum president, a bunch of bishops, another LDS attorney a LDS primary Teacher and a bunch of others all got arrested for child sex crimes on top of the fact the LDS church had to pay out 250 MILLION dollars (which is more than it gives in charity) for Boy and Girls scouts sexual abuse stuff.
Because most of the doctrine the church is based on nowadays were actually created to justify Joseph Smith's infidelity. Sealings, for example, was created to justify him marrying and having sex with other men's wives. It was exclusively about sex. Joseph never sealed himself to his children or to his parents, and Emma was the 23rd wife he was sealed to
Because Joseph Smith coerced a 14-year-old girl into "marrying" him. He got in to her body by falsely promising her that if she married him it would automatically ensure the exaltation of all her father's household and all of her kin. So she acquiesced. Later she wrote that she did not understand the physical component of marriage would be required of her upon marrying him. She did not even know there was such a thing. But it was too late for her. There was another girl who was 14, possibly 15. And there was a 16-year-old orphan girl he also seduced. Many of the girls he took as "wives" were underage or were orphans (some worth quite a lot of money) whose inheritances he squandered.
And Joseph Smith forced already married women to become his wives. He forced these women to be shared between himself and their legal husbands. Wikipedia lists some of the women, but there are many more. Joseph Smith had around 46 to 48 women as his wives all at one time and it was against the law.
Non-mormons will bring up polygamy because it is very clearly not of God. So the fact that men who claim to speak for God, and who start up churches or religions, will usually be sleeping with many of the women among his followers, even if they are already legally married, is a good sign (a Big RED FLAG) that that particular man is just scamming everyone.
I joined the church in 1994. I’m a believer, baby! I do appreciate Joe thinks we are the nicest cult. We try. Sadly, like any other group of people who share basic beliefs, we have a whole big bunch of people who pass judgement on others and/or fail to love their neighbor.
Lol do u wear garments
I joined in 88 after hearing a couple of simple missionaries tell me about book of Mormon and Joseph Smith. Silly kids. But then they said don't trust us, find out for yourself so I prayed earnestly. God answered my prayers and filled my heart with the holy spirit. It was powerful and undeniable. I never was religious but that experience changed my life. Utterly inspiring. I've tried to help others to feel that same warmth and love ever since. I know it can seem goofy from the outside but it's the most beautiful message in the world offering hope to all, excluding none.
@@bhurt3057 sad.