I enjoyed the segment where Ben thinks about how men want a "slay girl" and start liking them for what they do, then they expect them to eschew their lifestyle and change for them, while in the same nerve these men won't choose the girl that they want the slay girls to be (girls who cover, wear no makeup, have no guy friends etc.) They're treating women like build-a-bears that they can twist and change at whim. That topic's pondering section was short, and social media isn't the best place to have these convos, it gets tiring, but I do hope people think about and explore these ideas more, especially before starting relationships. Anyhoo, great ep!
You would not believe the amount of women that were at the show lined up to see these guys, and even as a straight male I understood. Some absolute greek (and jewish?) gods up on that stage with such a commanding performance I thought I accidentally walked into a Broadway show. They took the time to meet all their fans, and even standing at 6'1" muscular build I felt puny standing next to Emil's commanding presence, up there with other great italian americans like Al Pacino and Chris Cuomo. I forgot to thank Ben for getting me addicted to cigs. 10/10 show, easily one of the best things I've been to
incredibly refreshing to see men on a podcast have a well-informed opinion on the way other men see/treat women and dissect why it's problematic (esp the madonna/whore + caged bird frameworks). this is clearly a safe space for us :-)
I like how you just say "well-informed" instead of "opinions I agree with." Not that I disagree with them necessarily but god damn it's dumb to act like an opinion is the truth just because you like it.
My friend is a manager at a movie theater and some guy came in to complain that they were trying to silence Sound of Freedom because the screen was off in the theater. He was in the wrong room on the wrong side of the theater.
I think Emil is generally right about weaponizing therapy being wrong, but if your therapist is never holding you accountable for your wrongdoings that's not indicative of therapy as a whole. You just need to find a new therapist. There is a difference between accepting yourself for who you are and being accountable for that and chalking everything you do wrong up to your past and then sweeping that under the rug. That's just a skill issue with your therapist.
with therapy it is so important to find a therapist who holds you accountable and so many people find therapists who just validate their world view and actions in order to feel better about themselves and weaponize it. Additionally, it was great to hear Ben mention the Madonna/Whore complex. I took a whole class on it in college as it related to marvel movies it was very eye opening. Great conversation as always Ben and Emil!
Facebook and threads seem to be pushing the smooth brain, good vibes instagram ethos. Which is not at all what Twitter has ever been. Definitely agree that the people who thrive in that ecosystem never have much to say
Spent the day moving all of my stuff from one classroom to another classroom. New episode is just what this teacher needs! Can I get another episode for tomorrow when I have to lay around to recouperate??
Emil talking about how Jonah Hill's therapy show made him feel gross reminded me of how I felt about the ethics of Jury Duty TV series. All my friends and family seemed to really like it, but I thought the whole concept of the show was gross and that the guy who didn't know he was on the show was being taken advantage of.
same! only thing that made me feel a liiiitttle better was that he *technically* did sign up for it, just didnt know what it would end up being. but yeah the whole truman show vibe is definitely questionable.
In interviews he admitted that he felt slightly paranoid after the show that he was still being filmed, but it didn't last long and obviously he's happy he did it, how many normal ppl can say they are in an Emmy nominated show.
The ONLY thing I use chatgpt for is book recommendations. It’s SICK because sometimes I just want a book that has a similar feel to another but not the exact plot, or I can give it 5 books I liked and ask it to recommend 5 more
Feels like this was a dark episode. You guys should consider giving the guy who helps you a mic so we can hear him better or maybe subtitles for when he says stuff?
Hooray I just remembered to get on board the Patreon! I'm no longer a figurative Pay Pig, I'm now a literal one. Let's friggin go! Australian tour - when?!
Emil I want you to know that not all therapy is like that. A good therapist will balance trying to teach empathy for self with taking responsibility for our own actions. Trauma is never an excuse to hurt someone else and any therapist saying that (or implying it) isn’t going to help you because they’ll never challenge you.
ben was totally on the right track with his point about men wanting to control strong women, i wish he finished the convo and made his main point!!! he got it!! he's so right, love u guys
solo show-going is honestly so sick. 0 expectations for you there, completely in the moment, and I can mosh and get stage dived on without making anybody fear for my health.
all my therapists have held me accountable and i didn’t realize how much i valued that until emil brought up the opposite. i think it’s just hard to find a doctor that’s the perfect one for you
For anyone who feels they’re overtherapized like Emil talks about, if you haven’t already try it maybe seek out a psychologist who practices CBT. I was sort of forced into therapy as a very cynical preteen but I hit the jackpot with a fantastic therapist who talks to me like an actual person and let’s me take accountability for my mistakes while still working on what steps we take moving forward. If your therapist is available to you by text on a standby basis or is super personal in sessions I find that to be a major 🚩
Blistex and Burts Bees do not work for me at all. Makes my lips all peel-y and terrible. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND URIAGE "moisturizing lipstick"(Its lip balm not lipstick but it is a stick for lips). Legit changed my life.
@@emilderosa $10.50 CAD so yes more expensive than burts bees and blistex but way more effective and you don’t have to apply every two seconds for it to work. Once or twice a day and its works. So i’d say one stick lasts longer too. I think it’s definitely worth it.
i love hearing stories about your live shows!!! im a singaporean piggy so i can only dream of seeing you guys live but… one can hope… love the ep this week vibes were amazin 🫡
I feel so safe here with my baby girls. Love y’all so much. You’re the only two men I’d want to hear comment on this freak behavior jonah hill displayed. The opening bit killed me😭
Monsters inc (2001), the incredibles (2004). I’ve crunched the numbers, there was 26,184 hours between the release date of Monsters inc. and the release date of the incredibles. If, like me, you use the length of monsters as a unit of time, that’s 284.6 monsters. We need answers about Ben’s lost years. We *deserve* answers.
Never thought QTCinderella would get mentioned on the pod (even though it wasn’t technically by name). Shoutout to the incredibly small crossover btwn Wine About It and Pay Pigs viewers.
Sorry you had to deal with a bunch of dumbasses on Twitter, Ben. It's a lot easier for people to attack someone's character rather than try to understand and attack their arguments and criticisms. It doesn't help that things like Twitter tend to create an echo chamber as well, because obviously most people don't want to be known as a pedophile or whatever else people try to label others as in an effort to de-legitimize their opinions.
The problem with Threads is that Meta will make into whatever the current big thing is. Instead of making Instagram better and incentivizing creatives to post on IG MORE by sharing ad revenue even in a tinier degree, they tried to make it Twitch when Twitch was all people could talk about, then they tried to make it Tiktok. Like Instagram had a user base that they just ditched the second they thought something else would be better instead of giving the people that likes IG for what it was a better experience and a better way to get discovered. They try entirely too hard to copy what is currently popular instead of seeing the features that make those apps popular. Like Tiktok is big because it's really easy to find an audience and it doesn't feel like your talking into a void unless you get lucky. Twitter was that you could easy see and contribute to the conversations about current events and instead of trying to do that but with less toxicity Threads was like "We will show you all of the brands"
I was at the live show in New York, at one point during the show Ben shoved the microphone in my face and asked me if I had seen Jim Cramer anywhere around… 🤣🤣
Talking about the Jonah hill subject, I’ve dated someone like this in the past for 3 years and from personal experience his response is from a place of control and insecurity. My ex would say the same things about my friends and what i would do and its less about the girl and its more about himself. He is trying to keep her controlled by slowly blinding her into thinking the people around her aren’t there for her like he is and that he is truly the only real person in her life. It’s to strip away the things in her life that bring her independence away from him. The bird cage quote captures the feeling exactly. It’s a vicious cycle of emotional abuse. Im glad she was able to get out of that.
Yo guys I loved the episode! Just wanted to give a heads up. For headphone listeners it can get abit tough with the air going into the mic when laughing.
I enjoyed the segment where Ben thinks about how men want a "slay girl" and start liking them for what they do, then they expect them to eschew their lifestyle and change for them, while in the same nerve these men won't choose the girl that they want the slay girls to be (girls who cover, wear no makeup, have no guy friends etc.) They're treating women like build-a-bears that they can twist and change at whim. That topic's pondering section was short, and social media isn't the best place to have these convos, it gets tiring, but I do hope people think about and explore these ideas more, especially before starting relationships. Anyhoo, great ep!
Thank you!
well said!
time for the weekly pig feeding
🤤
Oink oink
Man I love bean and e-mail but idk how I feel about the name
@@beans8200 bean and e-mail lmao
lock him up
Me when the
Omg the opening bit with all Emil’s thirst traps is KILLING ME. You guys are so funny
thank you renee!!
Emil’s hotness is reaching national security levels
And I gotta sit across from him!
I like when Emil says means things about people I also dislike.
And then backs it up with them doing something just terrible
You would not believe the amount of women that were at the show lined up to see these guys, and even as a straight male I understood. Some absolute greek (and jewish?) gods up on that stage with such a commanding performance I thought I accidentally walked into a Broadway show. They took the time to meet all their fans, and even standing at 6'1" muscular build I felt puny standing next to Emil's commanding presence, up there with other great italian americans like Al Pacino and Chris Cuomo. I forgot to thank Ben for getting me addicted to cigs. 10/10 show, easily one of the best things I've been to
they are both way too attractive
I second this. That show was peak entertainment
incredibly refreshing to see men on a podcast have a well-informed opinion on the way other men see/treat women and dissect why it's problematic (esp the madonna/whore + caged bird frameworks). this is clearly a safe space for us :-)
Safe space huh?
@@rickross4241good input
I like how you just say "well-informed" instead of "opinions I agree with." Not that I disagree with them necessarily but god damn it's dumb to act like an opinion is the truth just because you like it.
Ben: I got a tall boy Diet Coke
Emil: yeah so I was with three women and that’s why I started moisturizing
The vibes are better now that y’all are independent
it's a viiiiibe
that emil picture slideshow was a jumpscare (positive) (just warn a piggy next time) (feeling parasocial)
I love how emil shits on mid90s and then 7 seconds later admits he hasn't even seen it lmao
i'm a hater. i've always been upfront about that.
@@emilderosai respect the consistency
@@emilderosabased
He’s right though
mid90s is decent but jonah hill sucks. Certified culture vulture, ain’t no way this dude has ever stepped on a skateboard
I want to watch a whole hour of Ben and Emil reviewing the 10 things GQ videos
Feel so happy that the Ben is a CeraVe piggie like me, feel represented. Shout out to all the psoriasis-riddled flaky excema pigs in the trough.
The CeraVe moisturizer tubs with the pumps on them 😩 iykyk
eczema gang represent
My friend is a manager at a movie theater and some guy came in to complain that they were trying to silence Sound of Freedom because the screen was off in the theater. He was in the wrong room on the wrong side of the theater.
All of these sound of freedom viewers sound like they’ve never been to a movie theater before
3:53 I met my first 6 wives by going to shows alone. All went missing and if you have questions, my attorney must be present.
get out there and meet wife
This fucking intro though, "there's men out of frame.. I KNOW IT." 😭😭🤣🤣
I think Emil is generally right about weaponizing therapy being wrong, but if your therapist is never holding you accountable for your wrongdoings that's not indicative of therapy as a whole. You just need to find a new therapist. There is a difference between accepting yourself for who you are and being accountable for that and chalking everything you do wrong up to your past and then sweeping that under the rug. That's just a skill issue with your therapist.
Ben's philosophy degree is showing today, I love it!
Emil is finding his own voice with Pay Pigs, and it’s so cool to see
This is the best podcast in the worl
best fans in the worl
Recording an ep straight off a flight?! NEVER say my piggies aren't dedicated.
trying to deprive the world of Emil’s best instagram posts 💔 respectfully Ben what the hell
really fucked up if you ask me
We love to see our boys thriving. Live show was awesome and this episode was great :)
Thank you ❤❤❤
with therapy it is so important to find a therapist who holds you accountable and so many people find therapists who just validate their world view and actions in order to feel better about themselves and weaponize it. Additionally, it was great to hear Ben mention the Madonna/Whore complex. I took a whole class on it in college as it related to marvel movies it was very eye opening. Great conversation as always Ben and Emil!
These always release right in time for my weekly shower
emil’s 10 essentials for GQ include but are not limited to;
1. my heart
COLD OPENS ARE BACK BABY
I've heard rumors that emil is lurking in the comment section
Be careful guys!
Your takes on Threads are so accurate. It’ll be interesting to see if they pivot before they lose their steam
Facebook and threads seem to be pushing the smooth brain, good vibes instagram ethos. Which is not at all what Twitter has ever been. Definitely agree that the people who thrive in that ecosystem never have much to say
this podcast is so special to me, thank u guys for the hardwork
thank you!!!
Spent the day moving all of my stuff from one classroom to another classroom. New episode is just what this teacher needs! Can I get another episode for tomorrow when I have to lay around to recouperate??
see yall in la, my friend has absolutely no idea what she agreed to come to
we promise to behave!
really dig the energy of this one, you guys make this look effortless
I have sincerly have fallen in love with your content. Like, I’m gonna get a patreon subscription
Hell yes. Thank you!
@@benandemilshow Keep up the good work fellas!!❤️
@@benandemilshow since I got ur attention, some tennis talk is always welcome
love what Ben said! I wish it would of been longer. more of things like that please.
Absolutely absurd that Ben's never seen Monsters Inc....great episode fellas!
This will now be my only news source, are you ready for that.
Yes.
Emil talking about how Jonah Hill's therapy show made him feel gross reminded me of how I felt about the ethics of Jury Duty TV series. All my friends and family seemed to really like it, but I thought the whole concept of the show was gross and that the guy who didn't know he was on the show was being taken advantage of.
He won 100k from it.. I think he's okay?
same! only thing that made me feel a liiiitttle better was that he *technically* did sign up for it, just didnt know what it would end up being. but yeah the whole truman show vibe is definitely questionable.
In interviews he admitted that he felt slightly paranoid after the show that he was still being filmed, but it didn't last long and obviously he's happy he did it, how many normal ppl can say they are in an Emmy nominated show.
Ben’s quote of the episode: “Earth is beautiful, there’s so much shit here”. Profound.
The ONLY thing I use chatgpt for is book recommendations. It’s SICK because sometimes I just want a book that has a similar feel to another but not the exact plot, or I can give it 5 books I liked and ask it to recommend 5 more
Now that I know it can do that you might have converted me to try it
i went to both nyc shows by myself and made new friends at both of them!! ben & emil are the best but i think their fans might be even better??? 🤭
We agree Shannon
this is true!
Feels like this was a dark episode. You guys should consider giving the guy who helps you a mic so we can hear him better or maybe subtitles for when he says stuff?
Yes! Give Dylan a mic!
Seconding Dillon subtitles!
Hooray I just remembered to get on board the Patreon! I'm no longer a figurative Pay Pig, I'm now a literal one. Let's friggin go! Australian tour - when?!
Thanks man!! SOON
Emil I want you to know that not all therapy is like that. A good therapist will balance trying to teach empathy for self with taking responsibility for our own actions. Trauma is never an excuse to hurt someone else and any therapist saying that (or implying it) isn’t going to help you because they’ll never challenge you.
"I just wouldn't get hung up with the nails in the head" uh, duh, he got hung up by the nails in his hands
Things Ben cant live without: Cigarettes, Cigarettes, Cigarettes.
ben was totally on the right track with his point about men wanting to control strong women, i wish he finished the convo and made his main point!!! he got it!! he's so right, love u guys
I needed this pod rn. Thanks dudes
we needed you rn.
i had the best time ever at the live show! thanks for a phenomenal show boys ❤
Thank you for coming!!
Keep up the good work guys!
Can’t wait to see you guys grow!
thanks king
I think I understand where Ben was going in the beginning but it probably wouldn't have been conveyed properly at the rate he was going lol
ok production quality up!
solo show-going is honestly so sick. 0 expectations for you there, completely in the moment, and I can mosh and get stage dived on without making anybody fear for my health.
very aware this doesn't apply to a Pay Pigs show but would be hilarious if it did
I love the vibe of the new show guys! Much more relaxed in my opinion.
all my therapists have held me accountable and i didn’t realize how much i valued that until emil brought up the opposite. i think it’s just hard to find a doctor that’s the perfect one for you
For anyone who feels they’re overtherapized like Emil talks about, if you haven’t already try it maybe seek out a psychologist who practices CBT. I was sort of forced into therapy as a very cynical preteen but I hit the jackpot with a fantastic therapist who talks to me like an actual person and let’s me take accountability for my mistakes while still working on what steps we take moving forward. If your therapist is available to you by text on a standby basis or is super personal in sessions I find that to be a major 🚩
Your therapist busts your balls????
stop this opener is GOLD
Tim Gunn reference wasn’t on my Pay Pigs bingo card this week
Make it work ppl
Thanks for the great content guys
no thank YOU alex
@@emilderosa PP4L
14:33 “Things are never going pretty good” Damn Emil 😔
shirtless emil in first 5 seconds !!!!????!!!!
????!!!!?!?!?!!!!
Blistex and Burts Bees do not work for me at all. Makes my lips all peel-y and terrible. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND URIAGE "moisturizing lipstick"(Its lip balm not lipstick but it is a stick for lips). Legit changed my life.
sounds expensive
@@emilderosa $10.50 CAD so yes more expensive than burts bees and blistex but way more effective and you don’t have to apply every two seconds for it to work. Once or twice a day and its works. So i’d say one stick lasts longer too. I think it’s definitely worth it.
Can I just say Bens skin is absolutely glowing… anyone know what highlighter he uses?
love and/or post sex glow
Tehya below got it right.
proud of you little piggies
ty bb
another great day at the farm piglets !
Emil you need to delete that photo for gods sake my girlfriend is on that app
it was a JOKE
@@emilderosa consider my boundaries CROSSED 😤
i love hearing stories about your live shows!!! im a singaporean piggy so i can only dream of seeing you guys live but… one can hope… love the ep this week vibes were amazin 🫡
I missed out on both NY shows, please come back when y'all have time!
i didn't know ben had a red flag and then he said he had never seen monsters inc
Ben is so right, everything is so blue (monsters inc) vs red (incredibles)
Just crashed my honda civic listening to this episode. wish me luck on my recovery 🙏🏽
get better soon!
guilty of pausing the screen to check every website and bookmark
I feel so safe here with my baby girls. Love y’all so much. You’re the only two men I’d want to hear comment on this freak behavior jonah hill displayed. The opening bit killed me😭
This was a really great episode guys
thanks lindsey!
Couldn't watch Monsters Inc, I was too busy watching the Incredibles
I love you guys so much
we love you so much
I need an “Earth is beautiful. There’s so much shit here.” sticker for my stuff thank you ❤
god this episode is so good, keep up the good work boys!!
thanks curly!
Monsters inc (2001), the incredibles (2004).
I’ve crunched the numbers, there was 26,184 hours between the release date of Monsters inc. and the release date of the incredibles. If, like me, you use the length of monsters as a unit of time, that’s 284.6 monsters. We need answers about Ben’s lost years. We *deserve* answers.
Jonah Hill can rebuild on “positivity only” threads
KC Radio was on point on this, Jonah just passing on what his therapist was serving up
Yo how do I get in contact with you guys? Can't seem to find an email.
shit my therapist tells me when im being a bad person lowkey
Never thought QTCinderella would get mentioned on the pod (even though it wasn’t technically by name). Shoutout to the incredibly small crossover btwn Wine About It and Pay Pigs viewers.
Bens brain and articulation is so hot. Emile was full on golden retriever this podcast though😂
Ben not having watched Monsters Inc is outrageous
Sorry you had to deal with a bunch of dumbasses on Twitter, Ben. It's a lot easier for people to attack someone's character rather than try to understand and attack their arguments and criticisms. It doesn't help that things like Twitter tend to create an echo chamber as well, because obviously most people don't want to be known as a pedophile or whatever else people try to label others as in an effort to de-legitimize their opinions.
The problem with Threads is that Meta will make into whatever the current big thing is. Instead of making Instagram better and incentivizing creatives to post on IG MORE by sharing ad revenue even in a tinier degree, they tried to make it Twitch when Twitch was all people could talk about, then they tried to make it Tiktok. Like Instagram had a user base that they just ditched the second they thought something else would be better instead of giving the people that likes IG for what it was a better experience and a better way to get discovered. They try entirely too hard to copy what is currently popular instead of seeing the features that make those apps popular. Like Tiktok is big because it's really easy to find an audience and it doesn't feel like your talking into a void unless you get lucky. Twitter was that you could easy see and contribute to the conversations about current events and instead of trying to do that but with less toxicity Threads was like "We will show you all of the brands"
I have never been here so early in my life
I was at the live show in New York, at one point during the show Ben shoved the microphone in my face and asked me if I had seen Jim Cramer anywhere around… 🤣🤣
Ben needs to be an actor, holy shit😂
Fine. Go tell hollywood
Talking about the Jonah hill subject, I’ve dated someone like this in the past for 3 years and from personal experience his response is from a place of control and insecurity. My ex would say the same things about my friends and what i would do and its less about the girl and its more about himself. He is trying to keep her controlled by slowly blinding her into thinking the people around her aren’t there for her like he is and that he is truly the only real person in her life. It’s to strip away the things in her life that bring her independence away from him. The bird cage quote captures the feeling exactly. It’s a vicious cycle of emotional abuse. Im glad she was able to get out of that.
Emils point was spot on
i have about $150 in my bank account but for some reason i want to support this patreon
Please do another NYC show!
Yo guys I loved the episode! Just wanted to give a heads up. For headphone listeners it can get abit tough with the air going into the mic when laughing.
sorry! we'll try not to!
Ben if you have dry skin i highly recommend the la roche posay double moisturizer or triple moisturizer it’s much better than cerave i swear
so we're all on a first name basis with jessica now
NEED to get Emil's thoughts on the new Geese album 3D Country since he loved MJ Lenderman's album from last year.