Yes and trade Marchand too while he still has some value. He's not captain material. Think any other teams would also want Sway's price tag? He's an overpaid backup!
@@SamsRandoms-ADK wow. i thought i played devils advocate. if you had nothing to work with and were blowing up the team then yeah...trade marchy. he is captain material...who leads like he does? and swayman will be fine. i hate the contract and have called him out and his contract many times but he will be fine.
And right on cue - Freddy steps up today for 2 goals-making a difference in a lackluster performance by the team but they pulled out another OT win. I’m convinced Freddy could be a fantastic long term player and if the Bruins can’t see it - I want to see him experience success! There are quite a few players that have significant impact when they leave the Bruins, just like the success Bruce had. It does make one wonder if the problem is rooted in Boston….?! Either way, I’m enjoying the improvement in the games and hope it continues.
@@ginaantolini345 yeah at the start of the season I picked Freddy to be the breakout guy and get 20. He is on pace for 14 now which is a lot better than 9
Exactly. There is a reason numerous teams are looking at Frederic. Couldn't agree more that the entire team looked lost under Monty for whatever reason. I like that Sacco is keeping lines consistent giving them time to develop chemistry. Put Frederic with the right line mates and he will produce 20 goal range and love his physical play when playoffs come. However with the roster changes this year, Bruins are bigger but also slower so getting a good player with speed is worth taking a look at.
It's a weird situation. He doesn't really have trade value right now and if he eventually does, it's because he's improving and performing better... so then we might wanna keep him. The problem with Freddy is he doesn't really have a player identity. I think if he committed to being a grinder/body in front of the net for garbage goals and deflections -- then he could help this team and would look attractive to others.
@@bruinsdiehards he also needs to hustle every night. His feet were moving mor all year the game after Monty got fired and he played well. I haven't seen his feet moving kike that since.
I hope not. He's got a ton of heart and talent. We need grit and players with a chip on their shoulder. Let's not get rid of players that actualy throw down.
That is really the question. Are they going to sign him long term. What the Bruins really need is to clear some cap space to bring in a player that will make any king of impact. Fredric only brings less than half of that.
I love the way Freddie plays but not getting enough points from him is a real concern. Don't know what trade value he has right now as he has not played all that well so far. If they are going to trade him it needs to be for someone to help the power play and put some goals on the board. If they are really looking for cap space Coyle is a candidate to try and get a true top 6 forward but I don't know if any team would be interested because of the lack of point production from him so far
He definitely has some sort of trade value teams love that type of guy. Friedman mentioned it a few weeks ago plenty of teams would be interested I mean he’s still young too he’s not super old. But it’s clear that his time in Boston is limited. Aside the game in St. Louis he hasn’t really made an impact this season and it has been outplay by a lot of other players. Fine with the fact that he isn’t signed yet and I can easily see him being bait for whomever
I’m a Freddy fan,that being said. I’m questioning whether he’s a top 6 forward. His goal production so far is abysmal, right now I don’t see him being resigned by the B’s. I’d sit him for a few games. Maybe a reset will help him. I can’t imagine him wanting this to be his contract year. He’s hurting his own case.
I think an honest look at his situation reflects on most of the team. To clarify, the argument we might make for trading Freddy applies to many many fellas on this team.
First off, I love Freddy! He hasn't had a great year, but let's face it, no one has. Yes, the team is winning more but the question is, is this the honeymoon or will they be able to continue to improve? I'm not convinced. There has been way too much negativity in Boston largely due to the front office's ineptitude and I believe they intentionally created some of the derision that plagued this season (and possibly still does). I was convinced after last season that the Bruins would NOT be in the playoffs this year and still largely believe it is unlikely. All that to say, this season didn't hold much promise and I believe that the moves the Bruins make should be to build a team - play the long game - since their trades for BIG players have mostly backfired (Lindholm has been a disappointment/Zadorov spends too much time in the box). When they acquire these players that they THINK are big scorers and pay high $ long term deals and get little if nothing in return, speculation about trading Freddy is minor in comparison of all the lack of effort by the guys who have long term deals making big $$ (Coyle, McAvoy, Carlo - all disappointing in their attitude and efforts). At the end of the day, I DO hope they trade Freddy - Nashville or St. Louis would be my pick, since I'd be able to see him more and I think he has much to offer another team. I see the difference in him - There's a lot more going on with him than can be easily seen. I've also seen some of the same in other players on the team, but they can't be traded so I guess the Bruins just have to live with those contracts! I hope I'm wrong on this one - I know there's a ton of love for Brazeau - but don't be surprised if that is a "best effort" and disappears soon. Here's hoping that the Bruins are on a better path at the least! 🤞
Not sure if this would be popular, but here are a few ideas: Frederic for Teravainen or Bertuzzi from the Blackhawks, Frederic for Jeff Skinner from the Oilers, Frederic for Luke Evangelista from Nashville, Frederic for Morgan Frost from Philadelphia, Frederic for Michael Bunting from Pittsburgh, Frederic for Oliver Bjorkstrand from Seattle, Frederic for Lawson Crouse from Utah, Frederic for Nils Hoglander from Vancouver, Frederic for Victor Olofsson from Vegas, Frederic for Connor McMichael from Washington. These might not be realistic, but I feel like they play in a similar part of the line-up to where Kakko plays for the Rangers or where Frederic plays for the Bruins. I love your content. Keep it up.
@bruinsdiehards no problem. It is an interesting time. Hockey is a huge part of my life. I simply love the unpredictability of it and the way we predict which teams will and won't make the playoffs etc. All interesting stuff. I do think some roster changes are on the horizon for the Bruins. It's very much a win or bust situation though I feel. As we have sacrificed a number of draft picks over recent years and maybe not acquired players that remain here for a long period of time.
I think Fredrick could make a good bruin he’s tough and can’t times score. That being said it is a business as we here regularly and where Fredrick has been flat this season I can see management seeing what could be done let’s hope they get a good return if
Love the way Trent played last year. But like every other Bruins, he isn’t playing like he should. If the Bruins want to trade him maybe target the Wpg Jets and Ehlers. Ehlers has the speed and skill to fit in.
Think they should hang onto him if we could sign him between 3-4 million for 8 years that would be great. He solidifies the middle six and is a good bruin.
sometimes these trades come back to Bite the Bruins in the arse, yes Debrusk wanted out and could not resolve with the front office but you see where I am going here? what can you get if you do trade Trent? picks or another 3rd line inconsistent player? If they are shopping him who is available?
Hard to gauge what Fredric would have that others teams could use - especially compare to want bruins need. To me it would be a neutral trade. He’s young, shows potential. With Bs bouncing back under Sacco I think it is worth holding for a bit and let these guys build chemistry. Only 3 game streak, so drive the momentum. Too chaotic under Monty’s juggling circus show. Just breathe.
Vatrano in anaheim is at 2.4. Last season Fred was the ONLY guy on the roster with those attributes. Heavy on forecheck, keeping everyone in line. Don had to go out trade for an injured Maroon. Now, well, we all know who's keeping the peace on the ice. lol it's slightly smaller but way, way more aggressive "Z". Frank V has great scoring touch he's played this system before. The guys all know him & Ana is always selling
True enough but given that he has yet to preform to his potential (which I think is higher than it has been thus far) I don’t think his ask is going to be that far out of line. Unless Sweeney wants to overpay for a nice middle of the line up player for 8 years.
Two years ago, when Fredrick came of age battling Tom Wilson to a couple stalemates, I was hoping he could become a 20 goal power forward. Two years later, it's pretty clear he has reached his peak, he's a grinder with no special teams impact. I can't see signing the guy to more than $3M AAV
I say let Trent stay on the 3rd line and he should come around. I have a soft spot for Brazeau so lock him up B4 the end of the year. Brad of course is a lock but if ,sa7, Geeke starts to heat up then why not get something for him? Bring Poitras back up and maybe it'll work. Sounds like I'm tossing the salad but hey, if we're trending in the right direction right now don't do anything rash. Just say'n
Like you said, only trade Frederic if it's a hockey trade that has upside for the Bruins. Kakko maybe, but Dach i'd say a hard no. Dach is making $1M more than Frederic and I don't see him giving the team anything more than Frederic does. Finding a $2.5-3M player to swap for him that a team is willing to trade, and also gives an upside for the Bruins, is going to be tricky. I see a Frederic deal as more of a deadline move at this point, unless he's packaged with someone in a trade for someone like Kreider. As much as I'd like to see Kreider on the Bruins, I'm not so sure that NYR trades him. The rumours are out there that they want to shake things up, but any trade also has to have a return they like. I think Kreider stays in NY.
Part of me says NO part of me says YES. If he doesn’t produce anything soon I feel it’s going to be hard to get someone for him. If he doesn’t get traded and he doesn’t produce it’s going to be hard for a BUMP in a new contract when the front office would say “what have you done lately for an increase”? If he does walk at the end of the season I don’t see anyone signing “higher” than what he’s already making. Maybe even less.
@ exactly! But, at the same time if he’s not producing now and they try to get someone, I feel it will be another “useless” player. I would at least try to get someone useful and if not, maybe at least get a draft pick or two.
There's three things that I have to say about he's a UFA first I don't want to see him go, if they don't think there's a chance to resign them for a decent contract at the end of the season then he's got to go unlike DaBrusk get something for him. #3 If his production doesn't go up, you're not going to get much for him.
IMO; it completely depends on what the return is, and what management realistically expects the team to be for the next 2-3 years. If they miss or just barely squeak into the playoffs and get eliminated in round 1; clearly it's time for a more large scale rebuild (with or without Freddy in the lineup). If they are clearly in "sell" mode near the deadline, and can get a first rounder from a bubble team, I'd say take it (especially if you can find a team with multiple 1st rounders, who would be more likely to part with one). If the return is 2nd or 3rd round pick, I wouldn't move him for that. If the return is a "dollar in/dollar out" player, I would much rather them take a good prospect over a current NHL player If they decide to go for a "hockey trade"; I'd like to see them take a bit of a safer bet in terms of health. They got burned bad withe Ondrej Kase trade, the Rick Nash trade..etc. So trading for people with an injury history, especially people are underperforming already is a very high risk/medium reward type move. Of the people who are making close to the same $ as Freddy; Alex Newhook in MTL, Michael Amadio in OTT, or Morgan Frost in PHI (there are some rumors Philly might be willing to move Frost), and Freddy is definitely a Torts type player. I'd be OK with a Freddy for Frost swap
@@bruinsdiehards agree; Newhook has some serious wheels, and likely has the highest ceiling of the 3 I mentioned....so not sure Freddy alone will get that done, but depending on what the other piece would be, I'd still be in favor of it
I still blamed. Jim Montgomery, I think he knew he was gonna leave because he turned down the contracts that the Bruins offered him and he know he was going to St. Louis so he didn't give a fly and you know what they weren't shaped when at the beginning of the season, they weren't skating. They couldn't pass. They couldn't do anything right. The only game they started wasn't a Montreal. I mean, I don't. II think it's a lot to do with Montgomery.Not motivating his team because he didn't give a s***He knew he was gone before the season started
I am starting to believe this because there is no other explanation why a team with decent talent and goaltending plays that bad. I for one am happy Monty is gone. Never liked him and he screwed up a great chance in 2023 to go deep.
I'd love to hear from a few sources closer to the B's. What I don't understand is, why ISN'T there some kind of consensus to move him? I am not sure Freddie still has 20 plus goals in him any more. From the players you mentioned... I am not a hurry to move Trent. However, I'd like him gone for something. Some speed and secondary scoring? I just don't know who?
Yeah when I looked up names I didn't get much within his value that stood out to me. I have spoken to people closer to the Bruins and they all say Elliot isnt blowing smoke here
numbers wise:frederic vs Kakko age 26 to 23 (kakko is younger) playoff games 3 years (22 games) vs 4 years (44 games) (more playoff time) playoff points 3 goals 2 assist 5 points (22-23) vs 4 goals 5 assisst 9 points (last 3 years) playoff PIM 46 PIM vs 2 pim! I think this would be a really good trade, I like Frederic but he is redundant right now. I think the speed of Kakko (if he is healthy) would be much better then the rough, big, slow frederic.. As long as they move him for an other player that is not an Al Iafrate's trade then I would be happy. I for sure would not want him to play in our division or conferance. If possible send him out west. I am still confused by sweeney trade ullmark in his own division.
IDK if a trade right now is a good idea as he has played so badly we would not get what we should for him. There are times when Frederic is invisible out there. I don't know if he has some injury or something else going on behind the scenes but he is not playing well right now at all. I realize they are trying to get him going but it really annoys me when he appears on the powerplay right now cause he literally has done nothing. Frederic clearly does not understand the term "leverage" as this is the year to pile on the points and get himself a pay raise.
Short answer no. He has size presence and has pretty good hands in dirty areas. He is young and shows more ceiling to go he just needs the chance to get there. We talk about not having young talented players. I think he could move up
So here is the question; what are you going to get for Trent? You’re not going to get a #1 center or a #2. You’re going to get what you already have but with a bunch of unknowns. Yes I like Trent and wouldn’t be happy to see him leave unless the return is huge. I don’t see anybody willing to give up a star player for him. So sit tight and finish developing him.
@ I agree you won't get a number 1 or number 2. I only think you move him if he is asking too much for next year based on his spot in the lineup. He is a UFA next year so he is what he is now. Will see what happens though
He was the perfect 3rd liner, physical, occasional fisticuffs and net presence but has since decided hes a scorer who plays on the perimeter with little to no impact on this team. Trade him for Kakko and bring Poitras back up.
the #1 trade candidate for this team is charlie coyle. Taking up 5.5m in cap space while being on pace for under 30p this year. The only time i've seen a spark in the 3rd line is potsy being in the lineup, kastelic coming up to play with coyle and frederic, or the occasional tyler johnston play. Never thought Charlie coyle would be good enough to be a top 6 player and now he can barely hold his own as a 3C. We should get something good in return for him...
@@bruinsdiehards 100%. But if traded the cap space flexibility would do wonders for us. if done right by sweeney i think it can really open up the bottom 6. we've been missing a 3rd line the whole year. I honestly think heinen had a just as strong (if not more) team impact then debrusk in retrospect.
In my opinion yes its time to trade Frederic. He is a good gritty forward but he no longer fits in Boston. Also Boston has a surplus of that type of player like Brazeau and Kastelic. I would trade him to Anaheim for the much discussed Trevor Zegras. I think Frederic could be useful in Anaheim and Zegras would be a good fit in Boston. However Zegras who is a center has a 5,7 millon salary per year and this could be problematic .
@ yes they do but he has looked lost at times and he gets powerplay time and looks like he is going through the paces. On pace for 9 goals isnt going to cut it
Here's a good hockey trade Trent Frederic for Arber Xhekaj, straight up. Xhekaj is a Bruin being wasted playing the Habs. He's tough, good in his own zone, adds a little offence and true heavyweight fighter. The Bruins went as far as they did with Frederic, he's maxxed out as a top player for the Bruins
Smart to see how Marchand, 6 million dollar man, makes it through the entire season before signing his next extension. I'd want to see the product before I paid for it. That's smart money. According to their various interviews, Coyle likes playing with Freddy vice versa. Freddy might be one of those players who gets the majority of his stats after Christmas. He's not a leader - he needs leadership to have his skills brought out This comment is being written after the Winnipeg game - Cuz I'm just looking for anything else to think about regarding the Bruins lol! My concern over Sacco - he's not been bumped up to head coach - he does come from the Cassidy system.. probably has valid critiques Yet, this "system" works in the Eastern conference during regular season. Doesn't prove to do so after April. Cassidy had a multi year Selkie award winner, the perfection line, stacked team, Rask,v top defense & and Zdeno Chara I understand that they went back to basics with a version of Cassidy's system - yet that has been proven time and time again that it doesn't get as far post-season.
My only thing on that is Cassidy has won a cup and took thr Bruins to the finals. I’m surprised as well that Sacco hasn't been named coach. Freddy to me is a third line guy unfortunately but I would love to be proven wrong
@bruinsdiehards yeah I like Freddy on the third line also - for now. He's got some maturing to do lol! I think I've discussed my admiration for third line players many times in many ways. So it is not a diss. But it seems right now our second line is basically third liners! I get that Cassidy system took him places... eventually. But he had a different team. Stacked. They should've had 2 cups within 3-4 seasons. (We would have if Andrei vasilevskiy wasn't born!) 2019 was a gift after CBJ swept tampa. That was ridiculous. I'd love to know why Bergeron already assumed Cassidy would win a cup going to Vegas.. that's the fly on the wall stuff I would like to know! Which I never will the Cassidy that went to Vegas learned a few lessons out of Boston that helped bring that cup. I followed his press conferences for the first few months of that season, Because I do respect him as a top coach and I wanted to learn. that first interview with Vegas, he spoke about learning to either trust or let players use their own hockey vision. That issue also came up in a David backes radio interview years prior... ( he was very complimentary and respectful to cassidy. Wasn't trashing him) But when I heard it come out of Cassidy's mouth? Light bulbs went off. That might have been the detail that got him that cup. Let go He didn't allow that during 2019 finals. I was torn on cassidy after 2019 and the season Chara left. Chara was the beginning of the end. In my mind, Cassidy blew it This top team, Rask, Krug's Power play, Kevan Miller, the perfection line for all those years? - yet he couldn't get it done. One of life's biggest mysteries.
Yes get something for him before he leaves as a free agent. Even just a draft choice. He will do better somewhere else but he doesn’t seem to be able to cut it anymore.
If Boston can make a deal for a coupla’ promising young players or an established starting player, so be it. I wouldn’t be all that tore up about such a deal, but anything less than these 2 options would be a great loss. Frederic’s too much of a class act, a solid player, and a good asset, to be just tossed out like second hand luggage. He’s a smart player and a great worker for the team. ✌️
Frederic should be traded, throw in Coyle and or Carlo and see if you can grab a scoring winger. Poitras can replace Coyle and Wotherspoon can replace Carlo. I wonder what the price would be for Hall. I liked him on the team. Marchand is finishing his career with the Bruins. Brazeau plays the game the way I like it. He goes to the net. He doesn't hang out on the perimeter very much, he passes the puck and heads for the net. That style belongs on the PP. OK, he looks clumsy and might not be a great skater, but he knows the game. I really hope they re-sign him.
No. Do not trade Freddy. The older and higher salaried Coyle might fetch more immediate help for the roster. Plus, wasn't Freddy a center in junior and Providence? He could center the third line, Kastelic the fourth, Potois the 2C, Lindholm at 1C.
No! I’d rather keep Frederic’s but get a extension done now. If he wants to much trade him. In general we should be trading a defenseman for a top six winger. Lindholm or Carlo would probably be the guy. Carlo will cost more to keep as well one of them will have to go because of the cap. If you want a top six legitimate score.
@@bruinsdiehards Carlos cap hit is great for us. If we could move on from Hampus it would be best cap wise because of the zadi signing. On the front you would have to move geekie or Freddie and one of zacha or coyle. To make the money work for a top six legitimate scorer. Idk cause of the Ntc and NMC. Someone will have to ok unless it’s to a team not blocked for trade.
@ bum? Such a weird comment about a team you like. The guy scores for the first time in a long time. I hope he plays great but if he doesn't then you trade him if you’re not going to sign him
@@bruinsdiehards A long time!? Freddie just had a double a few games before this one, and yea I'm saying it, ever since pasta popped out that kid he's got lazy as all hell and his shooting is the equivalent of a wet fart. and dont even get me started on his turnovers or the fact he cant shoot the puck on a breakaway. Our ''star'' player is -4 right now and hasnt made a single PP goal in 29 games so far this season. so yea I got strong opinions about it.
Should the Bruins trade Trent Frederic?
yes
Yes and trade Marchand too while he still has some value. He's not captain material. Think any other teams would also want Sway's price tag? He's an overpaid backup!
yes
@@SamsRandoms-ADK wow. i thought i played devils advocate. if you had nothing to work with and were blowing up the team then yeah...trade marchy. he is captain material...who leads like he does? and swayman will be fine. i hate the contract and have called him out and his contract many times but he will be fine.
No, gotta try him with Lindholm and Pastrnak. Think Stanley cup best line Lucic Krecji Horton
And right on cue - Freddy steps up today for 2 goals-making a difference in a lackluster performance by the team but they pulled out another OT win. I’m convinced Freddy could be a fantastic long term player and if the Bruins can’t see it - I want to see him experience success! There are quite a few players that have significant impact when they leave the Bruins, just like the success Bruce had. It does make one wonder if the problem is rooted in Boston….?! Either way, I’m enjoying the improvement in the games and hope it continues.
@@ginaantolini345 yeah at the start of the season I picked Freddy to be the breakout guy and get 20. He is on pace for 14 now which is a lot better than 9
I think the answer is that if they get the right deal then I couldn't blame them, but I'd be bummed.
Right there with you
Exactly. There is a reason numerous teams are looking at Frederic. Couldn't agree more that the entire team looked lost under Monty for whatever reason. I like that Sacco is keeping lines consistent giving them time to develop chemistry. Put Frederic with the right line mates and he will produce 20 goal range and love his physical play when playoffs come. However with the roster changes this year, Bruins are bigger but also slower so getting a good player with speed is worth taking a look at.
It's a weird situation. He doesn't really have trade value right now and if he eventually does, it's because he's improving and performing better... so then we might wanna keep him. The problem with Freddy is he doesn't really have a player identity. I think if he committed to being a grinder/body in front of the net for garbage goals and deflections -- then he could help this team and would look attractive to others.
I agree if he commits to that role he is valuable
@@bruinsdiehards he also needs to hustle every night. His feet were moving mor all year the game after Monty got fired and he played well. I haven't seen his feet moving kike that since.
I hope not. He's got a ton of heart and talent. We need grit and players with a chip on their shoulder. Let's not get rid of players that actualy throw down.
I agree on how he plays but he isn't producing anything at either ends of the ice right now and wants a lot more money next year
That is really the question. Are they going to sign him long term. What the Bruins really need is to clear some cap space to bring in a player that will make any king of impact. Fredric only brings less than half of that.
Yeah with limited cap space I almost think they regret signing Johnson now as it’s clear Sacco isnt a fan
truly enjoy freddy as a bruin.
Same and I have been surprised with the lack of opportunities given to him
If we get what we need for Frederick, a sentiment.Or another score and a couple draft picks Or a minor league that's coming through the potential
Would love some scoring help
I love Fredi and I miss Debrusck, I'm just stoked.
Why trade him for another bottom six player, don't we have enough of those? I'd trade for picks.
If they’re in a playoff spot I doubt they move him for picks. They might though
Trent has certainly busted his knuckles for the B's, and i'd be sad to see him go for that reason among others.
@@JoyMorgan-xt3jb i can see that
I love the way Freddie plays but not getting enough points from him is a real concern. Don't know what trade value he has right now as he has not played all that well so far. If they are going to trade him it needs to be for someone to help the power play and put some goals on the board. If they are really looking for cap space Coyle is a candidate to try and get a true top 6 forward but I don't know if any team would be interested because of the lack of point production from him so far
Coyle has a no-move clause
He definitely has some sort of trade value teams love that type of guy. Friedman mentioned it a few weeks ago plenty of teams would be interested I mean he’s still young too he’s not super old. But it’s clear that his time in Boston is limited. Aside the game in St. Louis he hasn’t really made an impact this season and it has been outplay by a lot of other players. Fine with the fact that he isn’t signed yet and I can easily see him being bait for whomever
Yeah I agree I do not see a future
I’m a Freddy fan,that being said. I’m questioning whether he’s a top 6 forward. His goal production so far is abysmal, right now I don’t see him being resigned by the B’s. I’d sit him for a few games. Maybe a reset will help him. I can’t imagine him wanting this to be his contract year. He’s hurting his own case.
Yeah maybe a game in the press box would wake him up
I think an honest look at his situation reflects on most of the team. To clarify, the argument we might make for trading Freddy applies to many many fellas on this team.
Oh I agree but also far too many fellas on this team have a no move clause
@ far too many is right. Adds up to complete apathy.
First off, I love Freddy! He hasn't had a great year, but let's face it, no one has. Yes, the team is winning more but the question is, is this the honeymoon or will they be able to continue to improve? I'm not convinced. There has been way too much negativity in Boston largely due to the front office's ineptitude and I believe they intentionally created some of the derision that plagued this season (and possibly still does). I was convinced after last season that the Bruins would NOT be in the playoffs this year and still largely believe it is unlikely. All that to say, this season didn't hold much promise and I believe that the moves the Bruins make should be to build a team - play the long game - since their trades for BIG players have mostly backfired (Lindholm has been a disappointment/Zadorov spends too much time in the box). When they acquire these players that they THINK are big scorers and pay high $ long term deals and get little if nothing in return, speculation about trading Freddy is minor in comparison of all the lack of effort by the guys who have long term deals making big $$ (Coyle, McAvoy, Carlo - all disappointing in their attitude and efforts). At the end of the day, I DO hope they trade Freddy - Nashville or St. Louis would be my pick, since I'd be able to see him more and I think he has much to offer another team. I see the difference in him - There's a lot more going on with him than can be easily seen. I've also seen some of the same in other players on the team, but they can't be traded so I guess the Bruins just have to live with those contracts! I hope I'm wrong on this one - I know there's a ton of love for Brazeau - but don't be surprised if that is a "best effort" and disappears soon. Here's hoping that the Bruins are on a better path at the least! 🤞
Not sure if this would be popular, but here are a few ideas: Frederic for Teravainen or Bertuzzi from the Blackhawks, Frederic for Jeff Skinner from the Oilers, Frederic for Luke Evangelista from Nashville, Frederic for Morgan Frost from Philadelphia, Frederic for Michael Bunting from Pittsburgh, Frederic for Oliver Bjorkstrand from Seattle, Frederic for Lawson Crouse from Utah, Frederic for Nils Hoglander from Vancouver, Frederic for Victor Olofsson from Vegas, Frederic for Connor McMichael from Washington. These might not be realistic, but I feel like they play in a similar part of the line-up to where Kakko plays for the Rangers or where Frederic plays for the Bruins. I love your content. Keep it up.
All decent options and thank you very much
@bruinsdiehards no problem. It is an interesting time. Hockey is a huge part of my life. I simply love the unpredictability of it and the way we predict which teams will and won't make the playoffs etc. All interesting stuff. I do think some roster changes are on the horizon for the Bruins. It's very much a win or bust situation though I feel. As we have sacrificed a number of draft picks over recent years and maybe not acquired players that remain here for a long period of time.
No way😅
I think Fredrick could make a good bruin he’s tough and can’t times score. That being said it is a business as we here regularly and where Fredrick has been flat this season I can see management seeing what could be done let’s hope they get a good return if
Love the way Trent played last year. But like every other Bruins, he isn’t playing like he should. If the Bruins want to trade him maybe target the Wpg Jets and Ehlers. Ehlers has the speed and skill to fit in.
Ehlers would be amazing
Think they should hang onto him if we could sign him between 3-4 million for 8 years that would be great. He solidifies the middle six and is a good bruin.
If that is on the table yes
sometimes these trades come back to Bite the Bruins in the arse, yes Debrusk wanted out and could not resolve with the front office but you see where I am going here? what can you get if you do trade Trent? picks or another 3rd line inconsistent player? If they are shopping him who is available?
You’re not wrong
Frederic will not bring you a better player. I think we hang with Frederic hoping he kicks into second gear.
Well lets hope
Hard to gauge what Fredric would have that others teams could use - especially compare to want bruins need. To me it would be a neutral trade. He’s young, shows potential. With Bs bouncing back under Sacco I think it is worth holding for a bit and let these guys build chemistry. Only 3 game streak, so drive the momentum. Too chaotic under Monty’s juggling circus show. Just breathe.
@ yeah there is no rush
Vatrano in anaheim is at 2.4.
Last season Fred was the ONLY guy on the roster with those attributes. Heavy on forecheck, keeping everyone in line. Don had to go out trade for an injured Maroon. Now, well, we all know who's keeping the peace on the ice. lol it's slightly smaller but way, way more aggressive "Z". Frank V has great scoring touch he's played this system before. The guys all know him & Ana is always selling
Loved Vatrano when he was here before. My only thing is he burned bridges on the way out by complaining about how the coach and organization used him
True enough but given that he has yet to preform to his potential (which I think is higher than it has been thus far) I don’t think his ask is going to be that far out of line. Unless Sweeney wants to overpay for a nice middle of the line up player for 8 years.
He does have a type
Two years ago, when Fredrick came of age battling Tom Wilson to a couple stalemates, I was hoping he could become a 20 goal power forward. Two years later, it's pretty clear he has reached his peak, he's a grinder with no special teams impact. I can't see signing the guy to more than $3M AAV
Yeah right there with you
I say let Trent stay on the 3rd line and he should come around. I have a soft spot for Brazeau so lock him up B4 the end of the year. Brad of course is a lock but if ,sa7, Geeke starts to heat up then why not get something for him? Bring Poitras back up and maybe it'll work. Sounds like I'm tossing the salad but hey, if we're trending in the right direction right now don't do anything rash. Just say'n
I'm with ya
Like you said, only trade Frederic if it's a hockey trade that has upside for the Bruins. Kakko maybe, but Dach i'd say a hard no. Dach is making $1M more than Frederic and I don't see him giving the team anything more than Frederic does. Finding a $2.5-3M player to swap for him that a team is willing to trade, and also gives an upside for the Bruins, is going to be tricky. I see a Frederic deal as more of a deadline move at this point, unless he's packaged with someone in a trade for someone like Kreider. As much as I'd like to see Kreider on the Bruins, I'm not so sure that NYR trades him. The rumours are out there that they want to shake things up, but any trade also has to have a return they like. I think Kreider stays in NY.
Yeah I agree and the Rangers aren't looking for pick and prospects for Kreider if they trade him
Part of me says NO part of me says YES. If he doesn’t produce anything soon I feel it’s going to be hard to get someone for him. If he doesn’t get traded and he doesn’t produce it’s going to be hard for a BUMP in a new contract when the front office would say “what have you done lately for an increase”? If he does walk at the end of the season I don’t see anyone signing “higher” than what he’s already making. Maybe even less.
I just dont want to lose him for nothing like Debrusk and Heinen
@ exactly! But, at the same time if he’s not producing now and they try to get someone, I feel it will be another “useless” player. I would at least try to get someone useful and if not, maybe at least get a draft pick or two.
There's three things that I have to say about he's a UFA first I don't want to see him go, if they don't think there's a chance to resign them for a decent contract at the end of the season then he's got to go unlike DaBrusk get something for him. #3 If his production doesn't go up, you're not going to get much for him.
With you on all of it
Trouba went to the ducks interesting to see how that works out
Agreed
IMO; it completely depends on what the return is, and what management realistically expects the team to be for the next 2-3 years. If they miss or just barely squeak into the playoffs and get eliminated in round 1; clearly it's time for a more large scale rebuild (with or without Freddy in the lineup).
If they are clearly in "sell" mode near the deadline, and can get a first rounder from a bubble team, I'd say take it (especially if you can find a team with multiple 1st rounders, who would be more likely to part with one). If the return is 2nd or 3rd round pick, I wouldn't move him for that. If the return is a "dollar in/dollar out" player, I would much rather them take a good prospect over a current NHL player
If they decide to go for a "hockey trade"; I'd like to see them take a bit of a safer bet in terms of health. They got burned bad withe Ondrej Kase trade, the Rick Nash trade..etc. So trading for people with an injury history, especially people are underperforming already is a very high risk/medium reward type move. Of the people who are making close to the same $ as Freddy; Alex Newhook in MTL, Michael Amadio in OTT, or Morgan Frost in PHI (there are some rumors Philly might be willing to move Frost), and Freddy is definitely a Torts type player. I'd be OK with a Freddy for Frost swap
I like Newhook and he has tones of speed
@@bruinsdiehards agree; Newhook has some serious wheels, and likely has the highest ceiling of the 3 I mentioned....so not sure Freddy alone will get that done, but depending on what the other piece would be, I'd still be in favor of it
@ alright I’m on the Newhook train now
I still blamed.
Jim Montgomery, I think he knew he was gonna leave because he turned down the contracts that the Bruins offered him and he know he was going to St. Louis so he didn't give a fly and you know what they weren't shaped when at the beginning of the season, they weren't skating. They couldn't pass. They couldn't do anything right. The only game they started wasn't a Montreal. I mean, I don't. II think it's a lot to do with Montgomery.Not motivating his team because he didn't give a s***He knew he was gone before the season started
I would love to know the full story
@bruinsdiehards
Me too
I am starting to believe this because there is no other explanation why a team with decent talent and goaltending plays that bad. I for one am happy Monty is gone.
Never liked him and he screwed up a great chance in 2023 to go deep.
Dont you dare Sweeny
You know he would dare
I'd love to hear from a few sources closer to the B's. What I don't understand is, why ISN'T there some kind of consensus to move him? I am not sure Freddie still has 20 plus goals in him any more. From the players you mentioned... I am not a hurry to move Trent. However, I'd like him gone for something. Some speed and secondary scoring? I just don't know who?
Yeah when I looked up names I didn't get much within his value that stood out to me. I have spoken to people closer to the Bruins and they all say Elliot isnt blowing smoke here
numbers wise:frederic vs Kakko
age 26 to 23 (kakko is younger)
playoff games 3 years (22 games) vs 4 years (44 games) (more playoff time)
playoff points 3 goals 2 assist 5 points (22-23) vs 4 goals 5 assisst 9 points (last 3 years)
playoff PIM 46 PIM vs 2 pim!
I think this would be a really good trade, I like Frederic but he is redundant right now. I think the speed of Kakko (if he is healthy) would be much better then the rough, big, slow frederic..
As long as they move him for an other player that is not an Al Iafrate's trade then I would be happy. I for sure would not want him to play in our division or conferance. If possible send him out west. I am still confused by sweeney trade ullmark in his own division.
@@soup31314 as soon as you said Irafate it brought back some bad memories lol
@@soup31314 great analysis btw
@@bruinsdiehards I would have to say the Iafrate trade was one of the worst siden trade.
@ without question
IDK if a trade right now is a good idea as he has played so badly we would not get what we should for him. There are times when Frederic is invisible out there. I don't know if he has some injury or something else going on behind the scenes but he is not playing well right now at all. I realize they are trying to get him going but it really annoys me when he appears on the powerplay right now cause he literally has done nothing. Frederic clearly does not understand the term "leverage" as this is the year to pile on the points and get himself a pay raise.
Yeah I thought for sure he would have a big year and nothing has happened for him
Short answer no. He has size presence and has pretty good hands in dirty areas. He is young and shows more ceiling to go he just needs the chance to get there. We talk about not having young talented players. I think he could move up
I hope he can
So here is the question; what are you going to get for Trent? You’re not going to get a #1 center or a #2. You’re going to get what you already have but with a bunch of unknowns. Yes I like Trent and wouldn’t be happy to see him leave unless the return is huge. I don’t see anybody willing to give up a star player for him. So sit tight and finish developing him.
@ I agree you won't get a number 1 or number 2. I only think you move him if he is asking too much for next year based on his spot in the lineup. He is a UFA next year so he is what he is now. Will see what happens though
He was the perfect 3rd liner, physical, occasional fisticuffs and net presence but has since decided hes a scorer who plays on the perimeter with little to no impact on this team. Trade him for Kakko and bring Poitras back up.
Done
the #1 trade candidate for this team is charlie coyle. Taking up 5.5m in cap space while being on pace for under 30p this year. The only time i've seen a spark in the 3rd line is potsy being in the lineup, kastelic coming up to play with coyle and frederic, or the occasional tyler johnston play. Never thought Charlie coyle would be good enough to be a top 6 player and now he can barely hold his own as a 3C. We should get something good in return for him...
Yeah he has had a rough year but with limited no trade and as you said a big cap hit it would be hard to move him
@@bruinsdiehards 100%. But if traded the cap space flexibility would do wonders for us. if done right by sweeney i think it can really open up the bottom 6. we've been missing a 3rd line the whole year. I honestly think heinen had a just as strong (if not more) team impact then debrusk in retrospect.
@@bruinsdiehards Coyle I believe has a full no move clause. From Mass with full no move, and at $5.25M, very unlikely he's going anywhere
@ according to Puck Pedia yup it’s a full move so he would be impossible to move
@ but Coyle has a full no move clause
Bruins should trade everyone without term that they aren't going to resign
In my opinion yes its time to trade Frederic. He is a good gritty forward but he no longer fits in Boston. Also Boston has a surplus of that type of player like Brazeau and Kastelic. I would trade him to Anaheim for the much discussed Trevor Zegras. I think Frederic could be useful in Anaheim and Zegras would be a good fit in Boston. However Zegras who is a center has a 5,7 millon salary per year and this could be problematic .
That salary is problematic
No, he’s the only player with heart and grit! Give him a chance.
The only player, really?
@ really, he’s being held back by coaching. Love Bruins talk, thanks and go B’s!
@@jamesphilbrook5567 love the talk too
The only thing the Bruins should be trading for are draft picks and if trading Trent would bring a 2nd rounder, I would take that.
We both know Donny wont do it
@ and that’s why I want Sweeney and Neely fired BEFORE they ruin the team even more
That would be yet ANOTHER screw up from the ladies in the front office. TFred is a Bruin meaning he's the exact type of player the Bruins look for.
I love Frederic as much ad anyone but he needs to do more thab jusy be on the ice right now.
I agree with him having to do more but don't they all need to step up right now?
@ yes they do but he has looked lost at times and he gets powerplay time and looks like he is going through the paces. On pace for 9 goals isnt going to cut it
Here's a good hockey trade Trent Frederic for Arber Xhekaj, straight up. Xhekaj is a Bruin being wasted playing the Habs. He's tough, good in his own zone, adds a little offence and true heavyweight fighter. The Bruins went as far as they did with Frederic, he's maxxed out as a top player for the Bruins
Love Xhekajbut he is defense and they need help up front
@@bruinsdiehards Then flip Carlo for help up front. Carlo would fetch a better return than Frederic alone
@ he would you’re not wrong but he had a modified no trafe ehich limits their options
Yes Yes and Yes.
Yes 👍
Smart to see how Marchand, 6 million dollar man, makes it through the entire season before signing his next extension. I'd want to see the product before I paid for it. That's smart money.
According to their various interviews, Coyle likes playing with Freddy vice versa. Freddy might be one of those players who gets the majority of his stats after Christmas. He's not a leader - he needs leadership to have his skills brought out
This comment is being written after the Winnipeg game -
Cuz I'm just looking for anything else to think about regarding the Bruins lol!
My concern over Sacco
- he's not been bumped up to head coach - he does come from the Cassidy system.. probably has valid critiques
Yet, this "system" works in the Eastern conference during regular season.
Doesn't prove to do so after April.
Cassidy had a multi year Selkie award winner, the perfection line, stacked team, Rask,v top defense & and Zdeno Chara
I understand that they went back to basics with a version of Cassidy's system - yet that has been proven time and time again that it doesn't get as far post-season.
My only thing on that is Cassidy has won a cup and took thr Bruins to the finals.
I’m surprised as well that Sacco hasn't been named coach.
Freddy to me is a third line guy unfortunately but I would love to be proven wrong
@bruinsdiehards yeah I like Freddy on the third line also - for now. He's got some maturing to do lol!
I think I've discussed my admiration for third line players many times in many ways. So it is not a diss. But it seems right now our second line is basically third liners!
I get that Cassidy system took him places... eventually.
But he had a different team. Stacked. They should've had 2 cups within 3-4 seasons.
(We would have if Andrei vasilevskiy wasn't born!)
2019 was a gift after CBJ swept tampa. That was ridiculous.
I'd love to know why Bergeron already assumed Cassidy would win a cup going to Vegas.. that's the fly on the wall stuff I would like to know!
Which I never will
the Cassidy that went to Vegas learned a few lessons out of Boston that helped bring that cup.
I followed his press conferences for the first few months of that season,
Because I do respect him as a top coach and I wanted to learn.
that first interview with Vegas, he spoke about learning to either trust or let players use their own hockey vision.
That issue also came up in a David backes radio interview years prior... ( he was very complimentary and respectful to cassidy. Wasn't trashing him)
But when I heard it come out of Cassidy's mouth? Light bulbs went off.
That might have been the detail that got him that cup.
Let go
He didn't allow that during 2019 finals.
I was torn on cassidy after 2019 and the season Chara left.
Chara was the beginning of the end. In my mind, Cassidy blew it
This top team, Rask, Krug's Power play, Kevan Miller, the perfection line for all those years?
- yet he couldn't get it done.
One of life's biggest mysteries.
Yes get something for him before he leaves as a free agent. Even just a draft choice. He will do better somewhere else but he doesn’t seem to be able to cut it anymore.
I had high hopes for him this season
If Boston can make a deal for a coupla’ promising young players or an established starting player, so be it. I wouldn’t be all that tore up about such a deal, but anything less than these 2 options would be a great loss.
Frederic’s too much of a class act, a solid player, and a good asset, to be just tossed out like second hand luggage. He’s a smart player and a great worker for the team. ✌️
All these things you said about Frederic are true but the team isn't playing well abd he is a UFA.
Trade him for someone that help the PP
The powerplay does need some
Help
Frederic should be traded, throw in Coyle and or Carlo and see if you can grab a scoring winger. Poitras can replace Coyle and Wotherspoon can replace Carlo. I wonder what the price would be for Hall. I liked him on the team.
Marchand is finishing his career with the Bruins.
Brazeau plays the game the way I like it. He goes to the net. He doesn't hang out on the perimeter very much, he passes the puck and heads for the net. That style belongs on the PP. OK, he looks clumsy and might not be a great skater, but he knows the game. I really hope they re-sign him.
Yeah I like what I have seen fron Brazeau as well
Why??
I would have hoped I answered that in the video
Absolutely. His return is not likely to be much right now, unfortunately. B's need cap space badly.
I would think because of his size and strength he still has value
No. Do not trade Freddy. The older and higher salaried Coyle might fetch more immediate help for the roster. Plus, wasn't Freddy a center in junior and Providence? He could center the third line, Kastelic the fourth, Potois the 2C, Lindholm at 1C.
@@floydthompson9332 Coyle has a no move clause
@bruinsdiehards So much for that. 😐
@@floydthompson9332 yeah when breaking down their roster they have so many no-move clauses it’s crazy
Maybe they can sell him for 8.25 million. And still wrong on monty but its ok. Even a dead dog can bounce.
@@believingintheblood8540 fair
Marchand will NEVER not be a Bruin. Not even with bringing up or reporting on. Big Elliot Friedman L on this one.
Yeah and Marchand let him hear it
@bruinsdiehards I thought that was so funny 🤣 great video keep it up go bruins!
@ thank you so much
Absolutely not ! He's a good player, he's young . He s not afraid to mix it up ... He may be in a slump , that happens. I say , keep him
Now if he asks for 5 million a season next year, then what?
No.. i dont think theyll get his worth back
@@jaysondzikowski2924 fair
No! I’d rather keep Frederic’s but get a extension done now. If he wants to much trade him. In general we should be trading a defenseman for a top six winger. Lindholm or Carlo would probably be the guy. Carlo will cost more to keep as well one of them will have to go because of the cap. If you want a top six legitimate score.
Both defensemen have either limited no trade or no move
I agree tou need to give some good to get a legitimate top six though
@@bruinsdiehards Carlos cap hit is great for us. If we could move on from Hampus it would be best cap wise because of the zadi signing. On the front you would have to move geekie or Freddie and one of zacha or coyle. To make the money work for a top six legitimate scorer. Idk cause of the Ntc and NMC. Someone will have to ok unless it’s to a team not blocked for trade.
@ so Carlo has a 10 team no trade and Hampus has a full no move no trade
@@bruinsdiehards so unless hampus waives your looking at Carlo and geekie I believe gives you a little over 6mil in cap
No
NO!!!
Noted
He is a man of grit and passion.
So Sweeney will probably get rid of him.
Same as what he did to DeBrusk.
And look at him now.
Well Debrusk didn't want to come back though. I like what Frederic brings but I wish it came with some goals this year
Absolutely not!!
Now if he asks for 5 plus a season how do you feel then?
Trade carlo & frederick bye bye
@@TheNicholaas carlo has a modifed no trade
Think he has the gruff the Bruins need leave him alone
But how much is that gruff worth?
@@bruinsdiehardsI think he has potential to grow as a strong Bruins & we need gruff
freddy is like what zacha was to devil fans.
You could be right
@@bruinsdiehards my cousin is a devils fan. at least ive heard his opinion. i dont really agree with him.
@ yeah they hated Zacha
NO
Noted
Disappointing drop off........yes I'd seriously consider moving on.
You almost have to at this point
If they trade Freddie I'm done with this team! trade that bum Past-da puck dude has been garbage since the post season!
@@andiamocclash397 in the end it is a business
@@bruinsdiehards Well would you look at that!? Another game where Freddie out plays the 88 mill$ bum of the team 😏
@ bum? Such a weird comment about a team you like. The guy scores for the first time in a long time. I hope he plays great but if he doesn't then you trade him if you’re not going to sign him
@@bruinsdiehards A long time!? Freddie just had a double a few games before this one, and yea I'm saying it, ever since pasta popped out that kid he's got lazy as all hell and his shooting is the equivalent of a wet fart. and dont even get me started on his turnovers or the fact he cant shoot the puck on a breakaway. Our ''star'' player is -4 right now and hasnt made a single PP goal in 29 games so far this season. so yea I got strong opinions about it.
No
Noted