@@73Ambassadorwe have fans but they are all fed up lol imagine if your favorite team was a joke for 14 years I’m sure whatever team you cheer fors fans would be suicidal to lol
Sabres seem to always follow a very specific script. Decent start - everyone get excited. Completely fall of a cliff - everyone bails and says they sucks. Strong finish but miss out on the playoffs - everyone considers them a team on the rise and likely to end their playoff brought the next season Repeat
The false hope of them missing by one point two seasons ago is what I think really killed it. Eichel got moved and Buffalo fans seemed excited again because the team had a new feel and face to it. Then the next season they miss by one point it’s crazy but people feel like that’s it they are about to break in. Unlike every season prior which had them well below the line now they were sniffing it. Then they fell back again and I think that’s what truly has killed this fanbase.
@@kosmicwizard Oilers did too, and up to now would be considered to have had a decent start. I guess it depends on how many games into the season you consider to be the "start".
After 0-3 start, they play well and manage to get a couple games over .500 by Thanksgiving and then follow that up with 10 straight no wins. Incredible.
Sad thing is if they won the McDavid lotto, he wouldn't be playing for them any more either. He would have asked out just like Eichel did. Big difference is McDavid wouldn't be playing for Edmonton. He'd probably be on the Rangers.
I almost spit out my beverage when I heard THG say Eichel might be a Selke trophy winner. He was a defensive liability when he played for the Sabres. He would get caught up ice all the time and wouldn't hustle back defensively. It was brutal when he was young, but didn't improve much later. I was not at all unhappy when he was traded. Still, not. I don't miss HIM. Reinhart is different. He showed signs of talent, but not the superstar level he has risen to. And Montour was a mess when he was here too. He didn't play ANYTHING like he plays for Florida.
To be fair, Buffalo have had some amazing draft picks, and for many years theyd had a good team on paper. You gotta ask why they do so poorly? It HAS to be a terrible culture, i cant see it being anything else. @Dr-Alexander-The-Great
I've watched the NHL from Boston with my dad since 1964, when Kevin Addams said on a interview that Buffalo wasn't a destination city I almost choked on my Cheetos, he represents the Sabres and he's putting down his whole city, I've admired the Sabres from way back, a great American city, 15 minutes from Niagara falls, what an Ahole. That Buffalo Sabres jersey and emblem should mean something to this guy. What a flat out Jerk. Go Sabres.
Worst part is the guy has lived here and been in the org longer than the drought has gone on. He was on Lindy's bench during his first stint in the city if that sheds any light on things...
Your take is a typical misunderstanding of what's being said. Buffalonians acknowledge that it's NOT a destination city. Like, who the f**k wants to drive in 2 feet of snow? But they love their city. Adams loves this city while understanding that you're average hockey player will opt to take his paycheck in Florida with lower state taxes and no snow. DUH. His immediate next statement was "we need to earn it"... i.e. Buffalo needs to start winning for players to want play there. Just like the Bills. Football layers want to play for the Bills IN SPITE OF THE SNOW because they know they get a shot at the superbowl. FFS listen to the whole interview and not just the sound bites.
@@RichBuonanno Free agents will come to Buffalo because they know the city is apeshit for the Bills. While Buffalo supports the Sabres pretty well, the passion will never be the same between the two franchises. It's like the Steelers versus the Penguins/Pirates (kind of seems insulting to include the Pirates in there though).
@@chriswright7259 Right, well that's NFL vs NHL. There are more football fans than hockey fans in the US. That's why NFL contracts are sooooo much bigger. However I don't see a difference in individuals' passion. Anyone who was around during the French Connection days still loves the Sabres. And a lot of those same folks are still waiting for a superbowl. Which brings me to the only championship team in Buffalo... ever been to a Bandits game? The passion is real.
Ryan O'Reilly/Jack Eichel/Sam Reinhart/Zach Bogosian/Brandon Montour/Kyle okposo/Evan Rodriguez......... OH and Robin Lehner AND Linus Ullmark won Veznas after leaving
Yeah, but that team wouldn't win a Cup. Eichel was a whiny pants - he was a great player but not a leader. The surgery was considered risky. Why have team doctors if you aren't going to listen to them? Were they wrong to fight him on it? Probably - but it's not your $80 million asset. I think they should have kept ROR and moved Jack earlier - but I am a huge ROR fan. Reinhart may have stayed if they were successful, but if they couldn't resign him they had to trade him and they got what was considered a good return at the time. Reinhart is scoring more goals in the NHL now than he did in junior with the Kootenay Ice - which is craziness.
@ not blaming eichel either, as stated in the video they are a losing team, it all takes a toll on you after awhile even more as a star player of an organization.
Eichel is a very skilled player but in Vegas he came to a team already at the top of the league, with all the right pieces already in place and with a strong winning culture already set. He didn't have to carry that load there. He still doesn't seem like a guy I would want to build a team around as a captain.
I feel for the Buffalo fans who have supported the team for this long, seriously you all have my admiration and upmost respect, I'm almost hoping you beat my habs tomorrow
Other teams fanbases need to shut up about telling us to move. Its extremely disrespectful to those of us that care about our city. You want to expand the league fine but moving a team is a cruel thing to wish for.
i am not a sabres fan but have lived in rochester,ny my whole life. the sabres feel like the NFL buccaneers from 1983-1994. it took new ownership a new GM & a new head coach to change the culture. it worked with the bills with Brandon Beane & Sean McDermott who both are on the same page & both run the team.
@@Disengage Eichel never requested a trade they came to him & told him they were going into a rebuild & he told them he didn’t want that so trade me for pieces or build it now & im fine staying.. that’s why Hall was signed. The trade request came AFTER the surgery rejection. & now who’s the fool
@@HoweyJR_That was Reinhart who said he didn’t want to stay after Adams went to every player after the disastrous 2020-21 season and asked them if they wanted to stay for the rebuild or leave. Eichel’s initial trade request happened in the summer of 2020.
Eichel told the staff he didn't want players on his line. He had coaches fired. He was not a captain material. His immaturity showed. Then Eichel asked to be traded. The Sabres wouldn't trade him. Then the injury came and Eichel used the surgery as leverage to be traded.
I remember back in 2014, they were talking about who is Buffalo going to draft. Sam Reinhart or Sam Bennett. And every hockey analyst all said the Sabres have the BEST prospect pool in the entire league, and the team is going to be really good in a couple of years. That was 11 years ago, I remember it like it was yesterday
This team at one point or another had OReilly, Eichel, Lehner, Ullmark, Montour, Reinhardt and more. And the fans still blame the players who seems to all play better anywhere else but Buffalo.
@@ryanj357 Buffalo has been supported hockey teams before they had an NHL team, in fact the last Championship in Buffalo was the Calder Cup for the Buffalo Bisons of the AHL, in 1969-70. They are a great hockey market, and if teams like Toronto can do well and be a contender, with the same weather. Then it's not the market at issue. This isn't an Arizona like problem, Arizona had one Conference final run, and never had success otherwise. The Sabers have had success and have been a contender. It was a long while ago. The issue is likely ownership meddling and causing issues.
@@20thCenturyManTrad I understand where your coming from but compared to Buffalo Toronto is the richest hockey market in the league. It's not just weather I agree but weather and geographical location does play a factor. Economical factors also have something to do with it.
@@MachoWrestling101yeah, hear ya. Watched Hyman mucking on a line with Matthews/Marner for years, then goes to Oilers and becomes a 50 goal scorer. Sometimes guys just need a change. Just sucks when it was your team they left.
The Sabres Cycle: 1: Draft high 2: Underperform 3: Trade good players for nothing 4: Watch those players win the Stanley Cup elsewhere 5: Repeat ad infinitum
As a thirty plus year Sabres fan, I am finally trying to attach myself to a new team to relieve the pain. Started going to Rangers games this year and the past ten haven't been much better...
Jack Eichel was welcomed by fans on DAY ONE in Vegas, weeks before his surgery and months before he played a single game in gold. And that was with trading the very popular Alex Tuch.
He was expected to be better than Tuch which he is. It is easier getting over a fan favorite leaving when the media says the new guy is better. For Tuch it was awful that Vegas did that to him.
@@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants Tuch wanted to go to Buffalo. When they took Eichel no one knew if he would even play again. Yet Vegas still welcomed him, even with all the blow back from Buffalo which followed him. Great comeback story.
@@mikelfrance-l6x Tuch being cool with the trade does not equal he wanted to go. Of course Vegas would welcome him they just lost Tuch and would want him to play well.
It’s remarkable how many losses have been by one goal or an empty net , I feel showing the scores would help people see how mentally fragile they’ve been
Getting rid of the bad team label is tough. As a Devil's fan, the day Dougie signed in FA, I was ecstatic. It felt like a shift where NJ would become a place players want to go, and thats exactly what happened
Shannon- good job coming off of last weeks analysis of the Sabres annual demise, back in the day, my then 6 y/o son was a huge Dominik Hasek fan and played goalie as a mite, he used to call the team "The Bulls" during their goat-head jersey days
It's really fun to think back to the earliest years of the Sabres. They had a good winning tecord in just their 3rd year and then the cup finals in 1975 against the notorious Broad Street Bullies, which was their 5th year. The famous French Connection line was something else.
As a long time Sabres fan I appreciate your fair and balanced analysis. Think the only point I would add is the lack of spending to the cap. This is an ownership issue and I don't think you can demand a new owner. The only reason the Bills are in the playoffs is lucking into Josh Allen. Pegula had to be convinced to draft him.
Oh boy I can only imagine the inspiring speech Terry could have given. "You're a hockey team....and...uh...You're all hockey players...so...get out there"
I think my biggest frustration as a fan with Kevyn Adams has largely been his inaction. I think the offseason after we missed by one point, that was their chance to try and sell guys on what they were building and add to it. Instead, they ran it back with much of the same core and ended up regressing. He believes in the young core they've built, but its almost to a fault. Then this past offseason, fans were clamoring for them to make a big move for the top 6. It's a lot harder to try and make that move now in-season, when a significant amount of damage has been done.
As a guy who often goes to Buffalo to see NHL games, it’s honestly been depressing to see the Sabres miss the playoffs year in and year out. More than *anything* (and that includes my Pens making the playoffs), I would *love* to see the Sabres finally make the playoffs so I can go to an NHL playoff game that’s closer than going down to Pittsburgh to see one (and I’m saying that as a guy who has enjoyed every experience I’ve had in that city whenever I’d go down there for a Pens game-seriously one of my favourite American cities!).
@@kool9813 I'm an Oilers fan and feel awful for Sabres fans. We know all too well what being a cold have not city, getting first overall picks and constantly underachieving looks like, so I'd show some sympathy lmao.
@ I understand. I do feel bad for them. I came off more harsh then I ment. I was more trying to get across the idea of wtf is the league going to about it. There is really nothing they can do. Buffalo just needs to hold on to their talent and watch them grow.
With all the coaching and GM changes the only common denominator at this point is ownership. The only way the teams got a chance of success is to sell the team. It’s a huge risk since you have to hope for an owner who’s not trying to move the team.
Very thoughtful and respectful look at Sabres.Every organization - sports included - wins when it masters every aspect of the organization. It is the day to day,skill to skill attention to detail and implementation. The Pegulas know this.Bills are a living example.Wooten and the UCLA Bruins are the case study most often cited.Buffalo is an organizational failing...NOT a player failing.
Buffalo passed on Bill Zito twice before Florida hired him in 2020. Four years later they’re cup champions. Maybe if the Sabres hired him after he interviewed for the GM job in 2017 they're the one with the cup.
Some owners might outright tell the GM he can never spend the whole cap amount which could / would be a massive disadvantage. Some owners in sports even tell the GM who to draft or tell the coach who is starting. My point being getting a better GM is great and all but if a pro sports owner is like that it might not be possible for the GM to overcome it.
Went home to WNY this past summer and gave all my Sabres gear to my cousins kid. After 50+ years and 13 of no playoffs, I was done with them after they decided to recycle Ruff. Looks like I made the right choice. Enjoy empty KeyCrypt Center Terry, you've earned it.
It seems like usually when a team is bad this long, it comes down to ownership. Either they interfere too much or are too hands off and indifferent. Neither option is good
This team makes me physically ill. I hate the endless cycle of sucking. It’ll never end. Ever. Let’s just go on a 20 game losing streak and cement ourselves in league history
They just need palm trees. Maybe . A new state of the art arena. That is both a hockey arena and a tropical rain forest ? Kinda like a conservatory style hockey arena. You get your palm tree and hockey arena all in 1 building.
It would be first themed hockey arena in the nhl. Where cozens can shoot the puck at the goalie , and a parrot 🦜 can swoop in and self destruct at being hit.
All I can say as a fan, when you know exactly what to do and the organization/GM’s constantly do the opposite you know something is very very messed up.
The Sabres are that team that could, very quickly, be sold and be gone from Buffalo. It would be horrible and would be the wrong decision, but this is reaching the point where it isn't out of the realm of possibility. They're also taking about either a new arena or massive renovation. Can't imagine the public getting behind that with a perennially horrible team
@@AggrievedPuggle The thing is he's anything but invisible to Sabres fans - always meddling and interfering with how the team is run - that's never going to sit well in any sport.
It’s been like what? A 12 year drought. That’s crazy, some teams have gone from rebuilding to contenders, back to rebuilding and moved to contenders again within that time frame. And then you have Buffalo who have gone from rebuilding, to not lottery pick, to rebuilding to blowing it up, and then to rebuilding. That’s so devastating because they truly are a team that has a passionate fan base and really good history. I’d love to see them in the playoffs and push out the bruins or bolts. As a leaf fan I’d love it even more because those Buffalo Vs Toronto games are always fun and electric.
Stay the course. Trading players at their lowest point makes no sense. They'll recover. Eventually the team wants to be consistently in the playoffs - not one year followed by missing for several again.
Trades are 20/20 hindsight. With the Eichel, Reinhardt trades, were they looking like the players with buffalo that they are now, probably not. Theres plently of examples of players being traded and going on to make it big at other teams. Being a leafs fan weve had Hyman, Kadri just to name 2
I like Lindy. He helped the Devils come up from the dregs we were in, and even though it piddled out, it's still paying off. I was hoping he could help in Buffalo. Seems like the ice is tilted the wrong way up there.
I remember when Eichel was drafted by Buffalo. They were MAD. They had tanked everything to try and land McDavid and ended up having to 'settle' for Eichel. To me, this perfectly encapsulates everything that's wrong with Buffalo.
Sabres fan here. It's been tough. We have a lot of talent but just can't get it together. I sure miss when the Sabres were good. I'm not about to say anything bad about my team, just gonna wait and wait and wait.........
Hi there! I may have misunderstood but once a video said that Buffalo hasn't made the playoffs since 1974 but the Hasek years? They played Dallas for the Cup in 1999 and last made the playoffs in 2010-2011 no? I love your videos though - they have so much detail and care!
Buffalo's problem is that they're not "Just make this series of moves and you'll be better" away from ending this rebuild. it's not that something's not working, it's that various things aren't working, and they're interacting in various ways to make things more complicated. There just isn't a simple solution for them, whether that's "bring in a good player" or "fire the [insert office person here]".
Will Hamilton's old Copps be completed with their renos by then? They would draw from western GTA, K-W, Guelph, Hamilton, and Niagara better than Buffalo area
A quick great question would be this: Buffalo had one of the best elite forwards in the game in Jack Eichel, and also one of the best forwards in the game in Sam Reinhart. They traded both of them. What they should’ve gotten return should have given them what they needed in order to turn things around. Instead, this is what we’ve got, it’s great that they have Tage Thompson, and a great goalie, but I really think that this has to do with management and decisions the GM has made
It would be interesting to know the state of the Sabres training staff, analytics-- all the behind the scenes supports a team needs. If that stuff isn't at the top of the League, the on ice product won't be either. And it won't matter much who the G.M. or coaches are.
I don't think Eichel wanted to stay. The story in Buffalo was that Adams wanted to do another rebuild/retool and that Eichel wanted no part of it. When Adams first took the GM job is when this allegedly happened. That's also the summer when Adams signed Reinhart to a one-year deal (a second bridge deal instead of going for a long term contract). So at the end of that season, Reino felt slighted and wanted to part of re-signing with the team. Once that was set in motion, the teardown was inevitable.
Eichel told the staff he didn't want players on his line. He had coaches fired. He was not a captain material. His immaturity showed. Then Eichel asked to be traded. The Sabres wouldn't trade him. Then the injury came and Eichel used the surgery as leverage to be traded.
I think Buffalo’s situation is similar to Vancouver’s less than two years ago. Vancouver was horrible for years yet had really good players, then last year everything clicked for some reason. Maybe it was maturation or leadership, but something worked. Buffalo has good players, and even the players that have left have shown that Buffalo did draft good players, so the issue is in the locker room. I still think they’re right there, but there’s just something with them every year.
Regier hands were tied with Golisano. Adams never drafted or traded for anyone with Grit, Spunk, Aggressiveness. That IS what this team needs. Pegula should talk to Ken Holland - former GM Edmonton and Let HIM control it
Ah yes, the annual "What's wrong with Buffalo?" video
weekly*
@@warmike😂
We had that 3 days ago lol
@@mahockey3 remember when the Toronto Maple Leafs fans throw waffles on the ice
@@warmike daily**
“Welcome back” indeed for Sabres fans
Sabres have fans? That's about as fictional as saying the Blue Jackets have fans 🤭
@@73Ambassadorwe have fans but they are all fed up lol imagine if your favorite team was a joke for 14 years I’m sure whatever team you cheer fors fans would be suicidal to lol
@@nicksimon7086 I definitely understand what you mean. It's takes more of a commitment to being a loyal Buffalo fan than marriage, lol.
Sabres seem to always follow a very specific script.
Decent start - everyone get excited.
Completely fall of a cliff - everyone bails and says they sucks.
Strong finish but miss out on the playoffs - everyone considers them a team on the rise and likely to end their playoff brought the next season
Repeat
The false hope of them missing by one point two seasons ago is what I think really killed it. Eichel got moved and Buffalo fans seemed excited again because the team had a new feel and face to it. Then the next season they miss by one point it’s crazy but people feel like that’s it they are about to break in. Unlike every season prior which had them well below the line now they were sniffing it.
Then they fell back again and I think that’s what truly has killed this fanbase.
How is losing the first 3 games a decent start?
@@kosmicwizard Oilers did too, and up to now would be considered to have had a decent start. I guess it depends on how many games into the season you consider to be the "start".
After 0-3 start, they play well and manage to get a couple games over .500 by Thanksgiving and then follow that up with 10 straight no wins. Incredible.
Except they didn’t even have a decent start. Lose, win, lose, win. Close losses, so what. Lose 10-0 or 1-0 it’s still a wasted chance to move up.
Missing the playoffs by 1 point being the high point of the last decade+ is wild.
"Whats wrong with the buffalo sabres?"
Yes
We should start asking whats right in buffalo and we would be for a lot shorter video
They suck and have no fans 😂
@@danielmiller8038 "they have no fans" clearly shows u know absolutely nothing about hockey nor what ur talking about in this comment section
Excellent point
Question should be what is right with the Sabres
This feels like a yearly tradition for Buffalo to make this video on THG lol
We cry Shannon. We cry.
No one ever brings up eichel requested a trade a season before he got hurt
I remember seeing him at the 2015 draft. He never wanted to be here. He acted like a petulant child
Sad thing is if they won the McDavid lotto, he wouldn't be playing for them any more either. He would have asked out just like Eichel did. Big difference is McDavid wouldn't be playing for Edmonton. He'd probably be on the Rangers.
I almost spit out my beverage when I heard THG say Eichel might be a Selke trophy winner. He was a defensive liability when he played for the Sabres. He would get caught up ice all the time and wouldn't hustle back defensively. It was brutal when he was young, but didn't improve much later.
I was not at all unhappy when he was traded. Still, not. I don't miss HIM. Reinhart is different. He showed signs of talent, but not the superstar level he has risen to.
And Montour was a mess when he was here too. He didn't play ANYTHING like he plays for Florida.
To be fair, Buffalo have had some amazing draft picks, and for many years theyd had a good team on paper. You gotta ask why they do so poorly? It HAS to be a terrible culture, i cant see it being anything else. @Dr-Alexander-The-Great
@ oh I’m not defending this horribly run franchise at all but this mindset of eichel wanted to be here(not that I blame him) is incorrect
Shoutouts to Sabres fans, you guys are real ones. I went to Buffalo for Sabres/Jets with no rooting interest and had a great time.
as a tampa guy living in southern ontario, i can respect that. i would love to go to BUF someday to go see TBL or DET as the visiting team.
the only NHL game I've seen live in person was in Buffalo, a lot cheaper than Leafs tickets 😅
THG may just be uploading the same Sabres collapse video for the past 10 years. Wouldn’t know the difference
Different jerseys
This video from THG and the leafs playoff elimination video from Steve Dangle are the two annual uploads guaranteed to happen.
@@craigstockdale6968 AI 😂
They need to build a green house. Maybe plant a few palm trees.
So another decade of this! FFS! 🙂
I've watched the NHL from Boston with my dad since 1964, when Kevin Addams said on a interview that Buffalo wasn't a destination city I almost choked on my Cheetos, he represents the Sabres and he's putting down his whole city, I've admired the Sabres from way back, a great American city, 15 minutes from Niagara falls, what an Ahole. That Buffalo Sabres jersey and emblem should mean something to this guy. What a flat out Jerk. Go Sabres.
Worst part is the guy has lived here and been in the org longer than the drought has gone on. He was on Lindy's bench during his first stint in the city if that sheds any light on things...
Your take is a typical misunderstanding of what's being said. Buffalonians acknowledge that it's NOT a destination city. Like, who the f**k wants to drive in 2 feet of snow? But they love their city. Adams loves this city while understanding that you're average hockey player will opt to take his paycheck in Florida with lower state taxes and no snow. DUH. His immediate next statement was "we need to earn it"... i.e. Buffalo needs to start winning for players to want play there. Just like the Bills. Football layers want to play for the Bills IN SPITE OF THE SNOW because they know they get a shot at the superbowl. FFS listen to the whole interview and not just the sound bites.
@@RichBuonanno Free agents will come to Buffalo because they know the city is apeshit for the Bills. While Buffalo supports the Sabres pretty well, the passion will never be the same between the two franchises. It's like the Steelers versus the Penguins/Pirates (kind of seems insulting to include the Pirates in there though).
@@chriswright7259 Right, well that's NFL vs NHL. There are more football fans than hockey fans in the US. That's why NFL contracts are sooooo much bigger. However I don't see a difference in individuals' passion. Anyone who was around during the French Connection days still loves the Sabres. And a lot of those same folks are still waiting for a superbowl. Which brings me to the only championship team in Buffalo... ever been to a Bandits game? The passion is real.
It's not some giant insult. It's just a perception thing. Most people have a negative view. He's just honest.
These videos feel like funerals
He IS wearing black
Stanley Cup champions Sam Reinhart and Jack Eichel reminiscing about playing in Buffalo is just the ultimate insult.
Ryan O'Reilly/Jack Eichel/Sam Reinhart/Zach Bogosian/Brandon Montour/Kyle okposo/Evan Rodriguez......... OH and Robin Lehner AND Linus Ullmark won Veznas after leaving
@@theharvesterproject6779 Lehner never won a Vezina
@sahntahdemon you are correct. He ended up 3rd in voting that year.
@theharvesterproject6779 sad part is all these players were on the same team at the same time.
Yeah, but that team wouldn't win a Cup.
Eichel was a whiny pants - he was a great player but not a leader. The surgery was considered risky. Why have team doctors if you aren't going to listen to them? Were they wrong to fight him on it? Probably - but it's not your $80 million asset.
I think they should have kept ROR and moved Jack earlier - but I am a huge ROR fan. Reinhart may have stayed if they were successful, but if they couldn't resign him they had to trade him and they got what was considered a good return at the time. Reinhart is scoring more goals in the NHL now than he did in junior with the Kootenay Ice - which is craziness.
Lol eichel was done with the sabres way before he was traded.
Not a fair argument. It's up to the GM to keep players here.
@ not blaming eichel either, as stated in the video they are a losing team, it all takes a toll on you after awhile even more as a star player of an organization.
Eichel is a very skilled player but in Vegas he came to a team already at the top of the league, with all the right pieces already in place and with a strong winning culture already set. He didn't have to carry that load there. He still doesn't seem like a guy I would want to build a team around as a captain.
@@okyouknowwhateverMaybe but still the best player we have had in the past 15 years.
@okyouknowwhatever couldn't be more wrong..he's the main player driver and he's good defensively as well
Today I -Learned- Remembered Taylor Hall played for the Sabres
Ryan O Riley , Evander Kane ,
What is your point? And it's O'Reilly.
I feel for the Buffalo fans who have supported the team for this long, seriously you all have my admiration and upmost respect, I'm almost hoping you beat my habs tomorrow
Things might get better faster if they lose.
Don't worry they will! lol
"guys talk, they tell stories" anyone remember the Ottawa Sen's Uber?
All of them gone too, in short order.
Other teams fanbases need to shut up about telling us to move. Its extremely disrespectful to those of us that care about our city. You want to expand the league fine but moving a team is a cruel thing to wish for.
But it could help the team.
I agree. I still feel bad for Coyotes fans. Ownership needs to improve first and foremost.
That's exactly how us Jets fans feel. 🤣
@ryans413 how? Unless they sell the team, it would still be the same owners and management.
I hope no canes fans have been saying this. That "move them to quebec" shit got old real fast.
i am not a sabres fan but have lived in rochester,ny my whole life. the sabres feel like the NFL buccaneers from 1983-1994. it took new ownership a new GM & a new head coach to change the culture. it worked with the bills with Brandon Beane & Sean McDermott who both are on the same page & both run the team.
The eichel staying isn’t true, he wanted a trade the summer prior hence that offseason signing Hall
It drives me crazy when people blame the trade on him not being able to get the surgery. He had requested the trade before he was injured.
@@Disengage Eichel never requested a trade they came to him & told him they were going into a rebuild & he told them he didn’t want that so trade me for pieces or build it now & im fine staying.. that’s why Hall was signed. The trade request came AFTER the surgery rejection. & now who’s the fool
@@HoweyJR_That was Reinhart who said he didn’t want to stay after Adams went to every player after the disastrous 2020-21 season and asked them if they wanted to stay for the rebuild or leave.
Eichel’s initial trade request happened in the summer of 2020.
Eichel told the staff he didn't want players on his line. He had coaches fired. He was not a captain material. His immaturity showed. Then Eichel asked to be traded. The Sabres wouldn't trade him. Then the injury came and Eichel used the surgery as leverage to be traded.
@@RytheCodplayer EICHEL said out his own mouth when he requested a trade it was after the surgery deny stop making things up
Well done! An excellent look at Buffalo’s situation from a different viewpoint! These are the kind of videos that really make you my go to hockey guy!
I remember back in 2014, they were talking about who is Buffalo going to draft. Sam Reinhart or Sam Bennett. And every hockey analyst all said the Sabres have the BEST prospect pool in the entire league, and the team is going to be really good in a couple of years. That was 11 years ago, I remember it like it was yesterday
This team at one point or another had OReilly, Eichel, Lehner, Ullmark, Montour, Reinhardt and more. And the fans still blame the players who seems to all play better anywhere else but Buffalo.
I think Buffalo should just move like Arizona did. Buffalo winters are horrible and I can see why no one wants to stay there.
@@ryanj357 Buffalo has been supported hockey teams before they had an NHL team, in fact the last Championship in Buffalo was the Calder Cup for the Buffalo Bisons of the AHL, in 1969-70. They are a great hockey market, and if teams like Toronto can do well and be a contender, with the same weather. Then it's not the market at issue. This isn't an Arizona like problem, Arizona had one Conference final run, and never had success otherwise. The Sabers have had success and have been a contender. It was a long while ago. The issue is likely ownership meddling and causing issues.
@@20thCenturyManTrad I understand where your coming from but compared to Buffalo Toronto is the richest hockey market in the league. It's not just weather I agree but weather and geographical location does play a factor. Economical factors also have something to do with it.
I don’t see any Sabres fans blaming the players anywhere, they’ve blamed the owner and gm
@imsquidward5187 I distinctly remember the Eichel trade hubub quite differently.
I feel for Sabres fans, I really do.
Also, I hope Melody Martin's okay... haven't heard from her in a long while.
If the Bills can win the Super Bowl that would heal the souls of suffering Sabres fans
It shows that getting a gm on the cheap can be a fluke. How can an owner be so good with one team, yet completely miss the mark on another squad?
The pegulas barely touch the bills. They constantly meddle with the sabers
@@AjaxFerrariLeafs because the front office with the Bille has been able to get ownership to stay out of the way.
Not everyone likes Football though. I don't like any other sport. So I'm kind of perpetually miserable.
@@kaiuche8640this here, Adams is a yes man mouthpiece for pegula
Really enjoy watching these breakdowns of teams, you do a great job analyzing and providing explanations for why things are going this way.
When you do videos on teams especially when they have lost 10 in a row call that series “winless in 10”
Or simply call it Buffalo lol
Could you imagine Eichel feeding Reinhart in Buffalo
Thompson-Eichel-Reinhart
How about that.
@@Mulukkisthat would be a nightmare of a line
@@Mulukkis all right stickers thou
We saw eichel Feed Reinhart all the time……
@@MachoWrestling101yeah, hear ya. Watched Hyman mucking on a line with Matthews/Marner for years, then goes to Oilers and becomes a 50 goal scorer. Sometimes guys just need a change. Just sucks when it was your team they left.
Thanks for the video! Tough to see this for them.
The Sabres Cycle:
1: Draft high
2: Underperform
3: Trade good players for nothing
4: Watch those players win the Stanley Cup elsewhere
5: Repeat ad infinitum
As a thirty plus year Sabres fan, I am finally trying to attach myself to a new team to relieve the pain. Started going to Rangers games this year and the past ten haven't been much better...
That's the problem, once you're married to a city and its sports teams, you can't go anywhere. I'd watch the Bills for now if I were you.
It appears you forgot that even the Maple Leafs have won more Stanley Cups than the Rangers since 1945.
Jack Eichel was welcomed by fans on DAY ONE in Vegas, weeks before his surgery and months before he played a single game in gold. And that was with trading the very popular Alex Tuch.
He was expected to be better than Tuch which he is. It is easier getting over a fan favorite leaving when the media says the new guy is better. For Tuch it was awful that Vegas did that to him.
@@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants Tuch wanted to go to Buffalo. When they took Eichel no one knew if he would even play again. Yet Vegas still welcomed him, even with all the blow back from Buffalo which followed him. Great comeback story.
@@mikelfrance-l6x Tuch being cool with the trade does not equal he wanted to go. Of course Vegas would welcome him they just lost Tuch and would want him to play well.
Wow yeah a superstar gets traded to your franchise and gets welcomed with open arms wow shocking right?
Cool. Thanks for your call.
Dont worry, nothing you can say about the Sabres can hurt their fans more than what theyve already done.
It’s remarkable how many losses have been by one goal or an empty net , I feel showing the scores would help people see how mentally fragile they’ve been
I dont have anything quippy to add. Just impressed by the attention to detail THG puts unto every single video.
Getting rid of the bad team label is tough. As a Devil's fan, the day Dougie signed in FA, I was ecstatic. It felt like a shift where NJ would become a place players want to go, and thats exactly what happened
yup, you need that superstar from the outside that will change your culture/shift, just drafting players alone isnt going to be enough.
Shannon- good job coming off of last weeks analysis of the Sabres annual demise, back in the day, my then 6 y/o son was a huge Dominik Hasek fan and played goalie as a mite, he used to call the team "The Bulls" during their goat-head jersey days
We love you Shannon !!!...
I love that Buffalo is a breeding ground for future Stanley cup winners…just not with their team 😂
The only sentence any team mate wants to hear is "When you've been in Buffalo as long as I have, you grow to hate losing so *fucking* much."
@@Moobeus leafs all over
Playing my Habs is usually a cure all for a losing streak.
I feel like the question would be "what now?" if this team actually saw success, it's just a normal business day in Buffalo right now
😂😂 reminds me of the office when Michael goes “so business as usual?”
How about moving the Sabres to Vancouver and the Canucks to Buffalo..? They've always had a connection and they both need changes. Should be good.
@@preppen78Buffalo fan trying to make a heist for Quinn Hughes ^
@@preppen78I would be OK with that.
bringing reimer to their locker room is one thing that they couldve easily avoided
I'm not even a buffalo fan and I hate seeing this train wreck year after year.
Should we start a gofundme for some palm trees?
They banned palm trees in the arena.
@@AggrievedPuggleWait, seriously?
@@bartsanders1553yeah they’ve been deflating the palm tree balloons people have been brunging
@bartsanders1553 Yep 😂 Management is more upset about palm trees than the never ending rebuild 😏
@@partypandamonium9116 This is an extremely Buffalo ownership move😂
It's Christmas: trees, decorations, song, good food, and the annual Buffalo pathology report.
It's really fun to think back to the earliest years of the Sabres. They had a good winning tecord in just their 3rd year and then the cup finals in 1975 against the notorious Broad Street Bullies, which was their 5th year. The famous French Connection line was something else.
Sometime when the Flyers aren’t doing well, I take a moment and thank myself that at least I’m not a Sabers fan
As a long time Sabres fan I appreciate your fair and balanced analysis. Think the only point I would add is the lack of spending to the cap. This is an ownership issue and I don't think you can demand a new owner. The only reason the Bills are in the playoffs is lucking into Josh Allen. Pegula had to be convinced to draft him.
Oh boy I can only imagine the inspiring speech Terry could have given. "You're a hockey team....and...uh...You're all hockey players...so...get out there"
and here i am thinking preds season is a dissapointment
I think my biggest frustration as a fan with Kevyn Adams has largely been his inaction. I think the offseason after we missed by one point, that was their chance to try and sell guys on what they were building and add to it. Instead, they ran it back with much of the same core and ended up regressing. He believes in the young core they've built, but its almost to a fault. Then this past offseason, fans were clamoring for them to make a big move for the top 6. It's a lot harder to try and make that move now in-season, when a significant amount of damage has been done.
Eichel wanted out before his broken disc issue. He admitted it in an interview.
As a guy who often goes to Buffalo to see NHL games, it’s honestly been depressing to see the Sabres miss the playoffs year in and year out. More than *anything* (and that includes my Pens making the playoffs), I would *love* to see the Sabres finally make the playoffs so I can go to an NHL playoff game that’s closer than going down to Pittsburgh to see one (and I’m saying that as a guy who has enjoyed every experience I’ve had in that city whenever I’d go down there for a Pens game-seriously one of my favourite American cities!).
This video reminds me, what ever happened to that melody girl that used to make those Sabres videos?
Great video! I'd love to see one on the LA Kings and whether or not you think they are for real.
At this point, I hope the league steps in as unlikely as that may be.
And does what? I’m an oilers fan so I can’t say I care much that buffalo is bad. But what would the league do about a team under performing
@@kool9813force Pegulas to sell the team. It’s kind of like Dan Schneider in Washington.
@@kool9813 I'm an Oilers fan and feel awful for Sabres fans. We know all too well what being a cold have not city, getting first overall picks and constantly underachieving looks like, so I'd show some sympathy lmao.
@ I understand. I do feel bad for them. I came off more harsh then I ment. I was more trying to get across the idea of wtf is the league going to about it. There is really nothing they can do. Buffalo just needs to hold on to their talent and watch them grow.
Maybe Shanon’s friend Michael Bublé could help turn around the Sabers.
With all the coaching and GM changes the only common denominator at this point is ownership. The only way the teams got a chance of success is to sell the team. It’s a huge risk since you have to hope for an owner who’s not trying to move the team.
Very thoughtful and respectful look at Sabres.Every organization - sports included - wins when it masters every aspect of the organization. It is the day to day,skill to skill attention to detail and implementation. The Pegulas know this.Bills are a living example.Wooten and the UCLA Bruins are the case study most often cited.Buffalo is an organizational failing...NOT a player failing.
Buffalo passed on Bill Zito twice before Florida hired him in 2020. Four years later they’re cup champions. Maybe if the Sabres hired him after he interviewed for the GM job in 2017 they're the one with the cup.
Some owners might outright tell the GM he can never spend the whole cap amount which could / would be a massive disadvantage. Some owners in sports even tell the GM who to draft or tell the coach who is starting.
My point being getting a better GM is great and all but if a pro sports owner is like that it might not be possible for the GM to overcome it.
@@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants yes but you do know you make more money when you win which more than make up for the money you save
@@nerinamak3298 Some bad owners that will not make a difference.
Florida has palm trees though so they are a destination.
Went home to WNY this past summer and gave all my Sabres gear to my cousins kid. After 50+ years and 13 of no playoffs, I was done with them after they decided to recycle Ruff. Looks like I made the right choice. Enjoy empty KeyCrypt Center Terry, you've earned it.
Still sad for Ryan Miller and Rick Jeanneret.
Josh Allen is the only one preventing that whole city from falling into a pit of despair and anguish
Can we just schedule this to be re-upload in a year? This team has brought me nothing but pain in my time as a hockey fan :(
It seems like usually when a team is bad this long, it comes down to ownership. Either they interfere too much or are too hands off and indifferent. Neither option is good
What's next. 11 in a row, that's what comes next. This team is...mentally and physically...toast.
This team makes me physically ill. I hate the endless cycle of sucking. It’ll never end. Ever. Let’s just go on a 20 game losing streak and cement ourselves in league history
They just need palm trees. Maybe . A new state of the art arena. That is both a hockey arena and a tropical rain forest ? Kinda like a conservatory style hockey arena. You get your palm tree and hockey arena all in 1 building.
It would be first themed hockey arena in the nhl. Where cozens can shoot the puck at the goalie , and a parrot 🦜 can swoop in and self destruct at being hit.
All I can say as a fan, when you know exactly what to do and the organization/GM’s constantly do the opposite you know something is very very messed up.
If it helps sabers fans, mathematically an OT loss is basically a win.
The Sabres are that team that could, very quickly, be sold and be gone from Buffalo. It would be horrible and would be the wrong decision, but this is reaching the point where it isn't out of the realm of possibility. They're also taking about either a new arena or massive renovation. Can't imagine the public getting behind that with a perennially horrible team
8:05 eichel was not willing stay here that’s false he requested a trade an entire season before the neck injury
Well with Terry’s statement it sure sounds like we have to get him to sell the team before we have any hope
I’m sure the owner who has been invisible for years will really inspire them.
@ is that not my point? He has to sell the team otherwise nothing will ever change
@@BHenz1006I feel like he owns the team for the tax writeoff
@@AggrievedPuggle The thing is he's anything but invisible to Sabres fans - always meddling and interfering with how the team is run - that's never going to sit well in any sport.
@@AggrievedPuggleI agree. The moves that they’ve made collectively over the past few seasons only make sense if you are (truly) trying to lose.
It’s also not this cores fault they haven’t made the playoffs in 14 years, they’re brand new. Owernership is something different
Like many wallowing sports teams, they are one (or more) superstar 1st round pick away. It's almost always that way.
It’s been like what? A 12 year drought. That’s crazy, some teams have gone from rebuilding to contenders, back to rebuilding and moved to contenders again within that time frame. And then you have Buffalo who have gone from rebuilding, to not lottery pick, to rebuilding to blowing it up, and then to rebuilding.
That’s so devastating because they truly are a team that has a passionate fan base and really good history.
I’d love to see them in the playoffs and push out the bruins or bolts. As a leaf fan I’d love it even more because those Buffalo Vs Toronto games are always fun and electric.
Eichel getting 10 million and still was not happy to play hockey is crazy to me. Think he would of been a free agent next year.
Money doesn’t buy happiness. I’m sure he liked the paycheck but incompetence in the organization would make anyone unhappy.
they go buffalo we go buffahigh
Feels like every year we are saying “somethings gotta give/change” for buffalo and then something does happen but nothing actually changes.
At least they won the Stanley Cup in the movie Bruce Almighty.
Stay the course. Trading players at their lowest point makes no sense. They'll recover. Eventually the team wants to be consistently in the playoffs - not one year followed by missing for several again.
Trades are 20/20 hindsight. With the Eichel, Reinhardt trades, were they looking like the players with buffalo that they are now, probably not. Theres plently of examples of players being traded and going on to make it big at other teams. Being a leafs fan weve had Hyman, Kadri just to name 2
I like Lindy. He helped the Devils come up from the dregs we were in, and even though it piddled out, it's still paying off. I was hoping he could help in Buffalo. Seems like the ice is tilted the wrong way up there.
My girlfriend asked if I wanted to go see a sabres game, I told her I’d rather see wicked
I remember when Eichel was drafted by Buffalo. They were MAD. They had tanked everything to try and land McDavid and ended up having to 'settle' for Eichel. To me, this perfectly encapsulates everything that's wrong with Buffalo.
Imagine tanking for 15 years for draft picks that eventually get traded
Sabres fan here. It's been tough. We have a lot of talent but just can't get it together. I sure miss when the Sabres were good. I'm not about to say anything bad about my team, just gonna wait and wait and wait.........
Hi there! I may have misunderstood but once a video said that Buffalo hasn't made the playoffs since 1974 but the Hasek years? They played Dallas for the Cup in 1999 and last made the playoffs in 2010-2011 no? I love your videos though - they have so much detail and care!
Buffalo's problem is that they're not "Just make this series of moves and you'll be better" away from ending this rebuild. it's not that something's not working, it's that various things aren't working, and they're interacting in various ways to make things more complicated. There just isn't a simple solution for them, whether that's "bring in a good player" or "fire the [insert office person here]".
Sabres lease is up in 2027. If Atlanta gets a new arena up, oh boy.
Will Hamilton's old Copps be completed with their renos by then? They would draw from western GTA, K-W, Guelph, Hamilton, and Niagara better than Buffalo area
A quick great question would be this: Buffalo had one of the best elite forwards in the game in Jack Eichel, and also one of the best forwards in the game in Sam Reinhart. They traded both of them. What they should’ve gotten return should have given them what they needed in order to turn things around. Instead, this is what we’ve got, it’s great that they have Tage Thompson, and a great goalie, but I really think that this has to do with management and decisions the GM has made
I love that jersey.
It would be interesting to know the state of the Sabres training staff, analytics-- all the behind the scenes supports a team needs. If that stuff isn't at the top of the League, the on ice product won't be either. And it won't matter much who the G.M. or coaches are.
I don't think Eichel wanted to stay. The story in Buffalo was that Adams wanted to do another rebuild/retool and that Eichel wanted no part of it. When Adams first took the GM job is when this allegedly happened. That's also the summer when Adams signed Reinhart to a one-year deal (a second bridge deal instead of going for a long term contract). So at the end of that season, Reino felt slighted and wanted to part of re-signing with the team. Once that was set in motion, the teardown was inevitable.
Eichel told the staff he didn't want players on his line. He had coaches fired. He was not a captain material. His immaturity showed. Then Eichel asked to be traded. The Sabres wouldn't trade him. Then the injury came and Eichel used the surgery as leverage to be traded.
You got the surgery part wrong. He requested the trade an entire year prior during the work stoppage
I think Buffalo’s situation is similar to Vancouver’s less than two years ago.
Vancouver was horrible for years yet had really good players, then last year everything clicked for some reason. Maybe it was maturation or leadership, but something worked.
Buffalo has good players, and even the players that have left have shown that Buffalo did draft good players, so the issue is in the locker room. I still think they’re right there, but there’s just something with them every year.
a new GM,the Goat head logo stays in the past
Regier hands were tied with Golisano. Adams never drafted or traded for anyone with Grit, Spunk, Aggressiveness. That IS what this team needs. Pegula should talk to Ken Holland - former GM Edmonton and Let HIM control it
just a day in the life for us sabres fans really
At least you get to see some champions league football with Villa lol
@@RytheCodplayer ahah exactly, one of my teams got new owners and have had a miraculous turn around, we can only pray for the sabres fr