Someone show Redeemed Zoomer Seiji Igusa he’s an excellent finger stylist guitarist on TH-cam. I looked him up and apparently he use to perform at his church (and who knows, maybe he still does). I know I would definitely want him perform at my church 😅
The fact Classic hymns and historic Christian music is appreciated by non-religious people is enough to prove to me it's superior to contemporary Christian music which generally isn’t even enjoyed by most Christians.
I wasn't convinced until you said that classical/hymn Christian music is widely appreciated by society compared to contemporary Christian music only being enjoyed by Christians. That's a very interesting point and it's got me thinking about this topic more.
Baroque Christian music is severely underrated, falling behind classical in terms of popularity…Bach, Handel, Vivaldi, etc. all composed arias (vocal music) that were commissioned for churches or aristocratic individuals.
@@redeemedzoomer6053 It reminds me of what you said about evolution on your Instagram. People who support YEC are largely Christian. It's very rare to find secular people who believe YEC. However, both Christians and secular people affirm Darwinist evolution.
Crazy story! I was an atheist and explicit hater of christianity but lover of humanity so i thought it was a kindness to explain how silly christianity was to anyone who would listen. I listened to a lot of dawkins, hitchens, harris that crowd. Anyway my job was doing deliveries in the mountains around colorado springs..... the only stations i could get were 2 christian stations. Klove and another local springs station. After about 6 months of being forced to listen some of the songs started getting a little familiar and sounded pretty good. Klove was foing this thing cslled the klove challenge. No theology.... no scripture.... just listen to nothing but christian music for a month think about the lyrics and nothing else. See what changes take place in your life.... i couldnt believe how much nicer to people i became. How much less selfish i became, i started thinking "man if all these people are doing this in vein, it would be an absolute tragedy" i thought maybe i could take some of the tenets of christianity and improve myself with them. One night while camping in this area called sangre de cristos i woke up in the middle of the night to relieve myself. I was stunned at what i saw... the night sky above the clouds was the most incredibly beautiful thing i had ever seen. I got thinking.... what other animal besides a human would be awestruck by such a sight? Not one... not a chimp, not an elephant, a dog, a crow, or a dolphin or any of the animals we consider intelligent by animal standards. Something is different in humans that allows us to appreciate something like that..... the thought process eventually led me to believe in god again and it all started with a CCM station having more reception than the rock stations in the mountains. Crooked sticks right?
As a 17-year-old classical musician who has been forced to play contemporary music at a Pentecostal church, twice a week, for the past 4 years, I can tell before watching that I’m going to agree with a lot of the content in this video. I’ve always tried to voice my opinions on it but my mum just complains that I simply don’t value God and the talent he’s given me enough. Edit: He says he plays the viola, he has now lost all credibility
@@redeemedzoomer6053 Thanks m8, when I’m older and no longer bound by evangelicalism, I’ll do what you’re doing with your reconquesta thing, except I’ll be reforming music in the church. MARK MY WORDS IT’S GONNA HAPPEN!
@@redeemedzoomer6053 I don't think "true beauty" is the term I'd use as I'd just call it good music from a design perspective. Modern chart toppers, be it rap, pop, etc cetera seem to follow a whole different school of musical art than songs used to. Modern mainstream music looks to maximize viewer engagement through sex appeal and memorable beats as opposed to the compositional genius that makes the music of the past memorable. This focal shift to grabing the viewer's attention seems to happen to any art form whose production gets industrialized from movies, to music, video games, painting, et cetera. Actually well composed music still exists, just not mainstream.
Viola players endless struggle to produce a clear non-scratchy tone perfectly symbolizes the human struggle against the sinful heart. When we finally manage to play more than three subsequent notes perfectly in tune, (and add a lovely wide, yet slow vibrato) we can feel Gods mercy and love overflowing through the strings like the sweetest of syrupy goodness.
I love this comment! It reads like poetry and it resonates with me very deeply. I don’t see a lot of love for the viola, but they are so vital to the sound of the string section. As with the body of Christ, violas cannot say they are useful because they are not a violin or a cello. Neither can a cello say they are useless because they are not a contrabass or a viola. This comment was a great blessing to me.
As a former math major it made me happy to hear another math major who sees God's beauty through mathematical truths! Also, Vern Poythress' book "Redeeming Mathematics" is a wonderful take on God's sovereignty and its relation to mathematical truths.
"Traditional music was contemporary when it was written" Yeah, and what was good is remembered, and what was bad is forgotten. Go through a modern hymnal, and you'll find each century, each decade, making its contribution to the whole.
@@gumbyshrimp2606 I'm partial to the tune of _Earth and All Stars_ and I'm grateful people have been attempting to write less silly lyrics for it. There will probably be a style of worship using popular tunes, with Christianized lyrics. I suspect "Let It Go" will be turned into an anthem about salvation, and the original lyrics about shirking responsibility will be forgotten. No one remembers the lyrics to "Greensleeves", but everyone at least recognizes "What Child is This".
Premodern church Music always remembered us of silence and quiet contemplation of God. Modern church music plays with our most animal emotions to make us feel good.
@@jimluebke3869To be fair let it go is good inside the movie's narrative, it expresses perfectly what Elsa felt at the moment. The problem is it being more remembered than Elsa finally accepting her responsabilities for the ones she loved at the end of the movie. "No right no wrong no rules for me" almost costed Anna's life
@@igorlopes7589 Every single song in that movie fits well, but is full of incredibly bad judgement. "Summer" is just the icing on that cake. I guess it fits well with other Disney movie songs, though.
As someone who like Christian Power Metal - Theres approprite places for different music, obviously a church service isnt going to be blasting metal. Some music can be quiet for prayer, others instil unity and music such as said metal can instill awe for the power of God. I think theres a place for all of it, so long as its from a place of worship. Id be curious though to hear others opinions on this... If anyones interested Theocracys Easter is an epic tale and Narnia's MNFST are some of my favourites
As someone who doesn't listen to CCM when I feel the need to humble myself into a posture of worship and instead chooses to listen to the likes of Wolves At The Gate or My Epic (not Power Metal, but definitely on the aggressive side of things) I wholeheartedly agree
Christian metal is really underrated. I’m a doom metal guy, and everyone in doom metal seems to love Trouble but nobody else is really into Christian metal bands apart from actual Christian communities
I am working to be a classical musician and I am so happy you made this video I have been making many of these points for a while now and it makes me glad that you are shedding some light on it Edit: nice organ btw
I remember my mama, what's told me that music is like a magic, obviously when you listen to Happy Music, you'll be happy, and sad music will make you sad, but gospel music will lift up your spirits and get close to Jesus if I remember correctly
I also find it incredibly interesting that every pastor I’ve spoken w/ in their office when I went in was listening to classical music to help them 1). Focus 2). Come into the beauty of God. My dad is SBC pastor & every time I walked past his study I’d hear classical music being played. He’s also a former music major & music minister so that helps
Great video! Just something that I thought was an inaccuracy: The ideas of subjectivity and self-centredness afaik are not associated with modernism but rather postmodernism, at least in the musical space. Modernism in the 20th century was very much concerned with the pursuit of objectivity and order (as a response to the perceived excesses of Romanticism), even if it can be argued some composers tried to pass off their subjective ideas as such. Webern for instance did not take his brand of twelve-tone serialism as a "personal/individual" thing but actually believed it was THE way forward, hence he called it "the new music" (we all know how that ended up). Postmodernism is what you are thinking of when it comes to epistemological relativism and the rejection of objectivity. Your point on modernism's rejection of the resolution of dissonance (which carried over into postmodernism) still stands nonetheless, though I would be slightly more lenient: despite my dislike for the music of the Second Viennese School, I respect that they were attempting to find a solution to the exhaustion of tonal music but I think they were simply looking in the wrong place. Bartok is interesting because he doesn't abandon tonality but redefines it, and his highly dissonant works finish on surprising tonal resolutions. I wonder what your thoughts might be on Debussy and the French composers, as they still preserve the resolution of dissonance but do so in a way that departs from the "functionality" of the common practice period. Another thing of interest to consider... the harmonic series produces an "exotic" scale that is not part of the 7 church modes, called the acoustic scale or Lydian Dominant since it sharpens the fourth and flattens the seventh (according to just intonation). It would only be natural to question why this scale is little-known and underused (and the modes favoured instead), since one can argue that it is baked into the physics of music by God and therefore should be at the apex of the tonal hierarchy. Finally... having revealed yourself as a violist, do you intend to post videos of yourself performing at some point? Sincerely, a composer
wow this really revolutionized my mind! As a music student, this made me reflect on what music is and how I can use music as a tool to fully glorify God. I guess this is why music therapy exists. Using music to help people overcome a sickness, for example, PTSD, Cancer, Amnesia etc. God's power really transcended through music eh?
In my opinion, the assertion that classical music is objectively the greatest possible form of music and everything else since then has gotten it wrong is just not true. Metal is personally my favorite genre of music. Metal sounds way more beautiful to me than classical music does. There are so many metal songs that literally give me chills every time I listen to them. Hillsong isn't bad because rock music isn't beautiful, it's bad because crappy, mass-produced, public domain music isn't beautiful. If you don't believe me, listen to "Awake and Alive" by the Christian metal band Skillet. It is one of the most beautiful songs I have ever heard.
If you think of CWM music in that realm, then that EXACTLY proves MY point about subjective beauty! Many people think of Christian Hard Rock as being not "peaceful" enough. (LOL)
Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I personally hate metal, and just thinking about some like Linkin Park gives me a headache 😂 Please, if you’re a Christian, just make sure what you’re listening to is pure and righteous
I'm a music major (violinist) and I'm currently taking a required class on 20th century music theory. It's largely post-tonal garbage that doesn't sound good at all. There's serialism, so-called extended techniques, ametric rhythm, and lots of other nonsense that seems like it was used for the sake of it, without caring if the piece is actually enjoyable to listen to. But there are still some great composers from the 20th century who wrote actual good music. An underrated one imo is Respighi. Listen to his pieces "Church Windows" and "Concerto Gregoriano". I played the latter piece for a recital a while back
I see INNOVATION as being the most admirable part of most all classical and Neo classical composers...so yeah, Chopin was innovative but Gershwin was also hugely innovative as well.@@redeemedzoomer6053
@@redeemedzoomer6053Then things got a little too ‘objectively beautiful’ and people like Ludovico Einaudi came along, who are just pop song writers without lyrics. I wonder what you think about Philip Glass… some of his stuff is quite interesting indeed but then he has some string quartets (Mishima) and piano pieces (The Hours) which I’d say are quite beautiful. I appreciate Steve Reich far more though because at least his music for 18 musicians and all that stuff are actually incredibly complex and beautiful pieces, whereas Glass, while he’s hailed as being complex and difficult, really just builds his pieces on repetitive arpeggios. I’ve had enough of people who call composers like Glass and Cage ‘geniuses’ when in actual fact they were just trying to dismantle every aspect of traditional music without even making it bearable to listen to, in many cases.
One of the reasons I love Rich Mullins' music. His music and lyrics had such variety and complexity. Although he went to be with the Lord 27 years ago, his legacy lives on. If you've never heard of this guy, you should check him out.
Huberman podcast did a similar video, which I commented that Christians should know to watch what they hear, see, think, and do on account of this reverberation of music and other entertainment. It resounds in the heart if you allow it resonate with you in some way.
I was reading that a week ago in Plato’s republic for school. Music feeds directly into the soul, surpassing the mind, and it makes people love what’s good and hate what’s evil. According to Plato. Great book. Who wants to suffer with me and read it?
You can find consonant and dissonant tonal structures in pretty much ANY form of Christian music! Modern Worship Songs do a really good job of this... Take a listen to where the minor chord is placed in "Death Was Arrested" The lyric says "Darkness rejoiced as though heaven had lost..." That line ends with an A minor whole and there's a big floor tom and kick drum hit that I play to emphasize the darkness of that tone..."BUT THEN JESUS AROSE" IMMEDIATELY the band starts driving on the major tonic chord and OF COURSE it's major!
I love music especially classical and worship music I play the harp not professionally but I do play I like to play Christian music I'll do classical also I want to learn more music but with my learning disability and other disabilities on top of that it's hard but I enjoy music
Kings Kaleidoscope is amazing and nothing like the rest of contemporary Christian music. I highly recommend them. Rain and The Rush are my 2 favorite songs by them
one of the things I appreciated during my time on an IFB seminary is their music program centered on trad and classical music. we get ragged on other Christians who listen to CCM that we listen to old boring Christian music or that we are so limited with our musical options, but its because of that limitation Iv heard great Christian music composed by the music students in that seminary.
You should really check out the song creature by half•alive. It's a song I find extremely moving, but with a new style that's not at all cookie cutter contemporary. You may not like it but I think it proves Christ centered music has so much room for beauty and creativity different from the classics (which are of course amazing) and better than the uninspired repetitive nonsense most modern Christian music has become. Also, loved the video, thank you as always for your thoughtful takes on modern problems.
I believe that music’s ability to connect the human soul to God isn’t absent in modern Christian music. I also would posit that the statement that CCM is objectively bad is incorrect. It may be simpler in chord structure, but as someone who has studied both of these styles of music, has played both, and has been connected to god through both, one is not superior to the other.
I’m a musician myself, and what you were saying about music history and music theory and the physics of music gave me flashbacks from my time as an undergraduate music student lol I really enjoyed your take on it. I wasn’t surprised to hear that you were a music/math double major. In my time I’ve met a lot of those and even though intuitively I kind of understood how your explanation of how the two are related kind of generated a kind of eureka moment for me. Math is the language of God that governs the universe and is a window into the mind of God, and music is when you take those mathematical principles and organize them in a way to communicate the beauty of God in order to move the human will towards the good. Math communicates the true, which in turn is used by music to communicate the beautiful, which in turn orients the will towards the good. Really incredible stuff. In a way though, couldn’t one say that all arts in some form, like painting, also use math to communicate the beauty of God, too. In a sense there’s math behind every art form.
As Hank Hill once said, "You're not making rock 'n' roll any better. You're just making Christianity worse." But seriously, as a chemistry teacher in a public school, your point about seeing the beauty of things kinda did resonate with me- I think if I can manage that, I can be WAY more effective in everything. Also, are you ever going to destroy the most beautiful presuppositionalist house?
I just want to say as someone in R.C.I.A. To become Catholic. I truly respect your love of Christ and your dedication to denomination. I really enjoy your videos and find wisdom in a lot of them. God bless you and your loved ones.
RZ, I have a question: What is your opinion on prayer beads and Christians who use them? Are they a good way to pray and honor God? And I don't mean just the Catholics who pray the Rosary. I also mean beads like the Eastern Christian Chotki, or the Lutheran Wreath of Christ.
Check out Christian Combatives on TH-cam. He’s a LCMS pastor with a super underrated channel who has don’t a pretty extensive video series on opinions on the “Lutheran Rosary” but I think it would apply to the use of prayer beads in other faith traditions within Christianity
17:32 wooaahhhh yeah that's true! I have always wondered what felt wrong to me when Atheists would say God can't be real because He is not able to be seen etc, but they cannot say that because not all things we know as true/real can be seen. Even then, they might say they don't believe in truth, but they're believing that they don't believe in truth, which to them is truth (if that makes sense). So they can't even rule that out. That's a good useful fact to have in my pocket!
i’ve honestly always LOVEDD classical music. Not to say that i don’t like contemporary worship either, but as a classical violinist and pianist (ik how to read alto clef too though LOLL) i just wish i was exposed to more of that at a church, you know? they’re both completely different vibes, and i know im also very young, but i find there to be such a beauty in tradition ❤❤ i was also raised roman catholic and pentecostal (what a mix, i know 😍) but ive also always been very interested in theology. I’m not sure about where my view is on predestination.. but i do definitely want a very biblical view on it but i remember when i saw music and stuff in my dad’s pentecostal church, i was so surprised because i didn’t even realize it was possible 😭 idk thoughhh i wish i had a church that had both tbh
20:30 "Modern culture doesn't believe in the soul" ironic, considering the word "psychology", which is a relatively modern science, comes from ψυχε (psukhe), which is the Greek word for "soul." Just thought I should mention.
Just curious; you're an Eagle Scout, right? Did you ever have much to do with the Order of the Arrow? Their song is to the same tune as God Save the Tzar.
While i agree with you a ton o thought id mention that specifically with major and minor chords. The idea of them being sad or tense i do believe is cultural. Here in the west and in Europe we see those that way but i.ve heard some other places see minor chords not as sad but instead beautiful.
We band kids have the exact same jokes about trumpeters. (must be something about soprano instruments) Actually, we have jokes about every instrument. Flute = hyperfeminine to the point that male flautists' sexuality is constantly called into question Clarinet = blames EVERYTHING that goes wrong on a bad reed, even if it's completely unrelated to music Saxophone = generic NPC; lives for memes F Horn = somehow more annoying and egotistical than trumpeters Trombone = never matured past like 12 Euphonium (that was me) = either the biggest gigachads you've ever met or complete loners; there is no in between Tuba = fat and stupid Percussion = constantly pretending to be cool, but actually kinda mid
@@BestBuddyNoivern yo the horn and trombone ones 😆 yeah it might be sopran instruments (that makes sense) but in orchestra ive never heard the trumpets being poked fun of as egotistical.
FYI: Note that 2024 is the 350th Anniversary of a landmark year of Anglophonic (English-language) hymnody. 1674 saw two great events: 1.) The publication of Thomas Ken's three hymns that are cited as arguably the birth of English hymnody (in terms of breaking away from the Psalms-only), including the words of the now-universally-beloved Common Doxology ("Praise God from Whom all Blessings Flow") and 2.) The birth of the great hymnodist Isaac Watts, whose work is the standard which most subsequent hymns have emmulated and been judged by.
Loved the connection between mathematics and music - these have always been the two primary fields of study in my life and sometimes I think I am crazy for other people not seeing it. Also, the outro music was quite beautiful. Did you compose it yourself?
currently thinking ab changing churches (from nondenom to presby) and i think the music is one of the reasons why. i dont rlly like the repetition of current christian music and the non-solemnity of it all. hymns and christ centered songs are much more solemn even if they’re not that “fun”
Glad to hear that! Find a historic Presbyterian church near you: www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?ll=44.03226794579251%2C-92.75978994999998&z=17usaveni&mid=1PNd_sJagci84PyKmGC6M5VJtaLMEWxg
It might surprise you that ALMOST all people associated churches with those things, HOWEVER this is also why many people said they wouldn't "darken the doorstep" of a church. Where other Christian's saw beauty...others saw, an obsession with formality and traditionalism.
It might surprise him that all the stuff that he says about "modern culture" and atheism isn't really real outside California. Bro also straw man's atheist arguments (I'm not atheist, but I've never met one that says the things he supposedly says.
@@supaFGospod was a really good Russian Orthodox Black Metal band, more on the atmospheric/softer side, though they recently apostatized to Paganism. Other than that, two names I have heard of but not yet listened to are Antestor and Extol.
im not sure if you have the prereqs but taking classes in fourier series or signals shows directly how music and math are linked. Im studying electrical engineering and we are learning about convolution and harmonics right now. pretty cool stuff
I was hoping to see organs that you can actually play (made with note blocks), not only visual. Are there organs like that anywhere else on the server?
Funny thing is Spirit Science who talks about New Age stuff made a video similar to this but without the Christianity. The problem with the New Age POV is that it neglects the importance of the "lyrics" written in Psalms, the word of God written through the hands of King David and others.
I have a different experience because CCM was what drew me to church initially. CCM is simpler harmonically but that doesn't necessarily make it less beautiful, because beauty is not one dimensional. After all God created plains and hills and valleys and called all of them good. But loud drums can be distracting for sure. I would instead hazard a guess that classical music can sound more sacred because the modern tuning system sounds more out of tune than classical tuning systems in easy keys.
Just curious, what do you guys think of some more experimental contemporary classical composers that where (or still are) also Christian, like Olivier Messiaen, early Krzysztof Penderecki or Sofia Gubaidulina? I'm an atheist, but I'm still interested in seeing some other interpretations of the music I love, and recognise that the Church has had a profound impact on all of Classical Music.
"The only people who enjoy it are the people who agree with the message of the lyrics???" UM...I can't tell you how many comments on LIVE Worship Song videos have started with, "I'm a Muslin...but WOW is this beautiful!!!
Hi Zoomer. I sing in a historic Anglo-Saxon Abbey and used to run my own sacred music choir. I'm glad there is appreciation for traditional church music even in lower worship circles such as yours (I know you are more high church compared to most presbyterians but I come from a high church anglican tradition for comparison). Does your church have a choir and what kind of things to they sing as part of worship? Does your church rely more on contemporary music or homophonic congregational music, rather than more intricate/polyphonic pieces in the catholic/anglican styles? Are you involved in your church's music?
4 BEAUTY IS SUBJECTIVE Because God created humans with the ability to appreciate different aspects of exquisitely crafted things that He created! For instance, which is MORE beautiful, a rose or a root structure? Well we know that they were both created by the Author of Beauty and the Scriptures do say He has made everything beautiful in HIS time, so they are BOTH beautiful, just in completely different ways. Plus perception plays a big role as well, do you look at a rose and see the flowers before the thorns, or the other way around? Or yes a Venus flytrap is gorgeous but because of the predatory nature of that plant, some people would completely overlook it's beauty.
2 things: First, I completely agree that modern 'worship' music is entrirely too self centered and experiential and that that is an issue that must be resolved in the Church Second, I would like to see Zoomer play some music that is 'objectively' beautiful and explain why (chord progressions, musical phrasing, structural composition,etc) as well as a piece of music that is objectively not-beautiful and explain why. I agree that most CCM isn't beautiful, but the first time I heard 'King of Kings' I was really impressed by it's beauty, then distraught to find out it's by Hillsong😅
I actually had a question for you relating this topic… what is your opinion on Matt Boswell, Keith and Kristyn Getty, and Matt Papa? These four create music with a strict meter (thereby having the structure of traditional worship music) but the music they create is often set to a contemporary instrumentation…
not only is zoomer a based gamer, but he’s also a musician, mathematician, and Lithuanian?! Actually insane
Giga chad
I thought he was Israeli
@@samw7998 he said ethnically jewish so probably one parent is ashkenazi and one is lithuanian
Someone show Redeemed Zoomer Seiji Igusa he’s an excellent finger stylist guitarist on TH-cam. I looked him up and apparently he use to perform at his church (and who knows, maybe he still does). I know I would definitely want him perform at my church 😅
Lithuanian nobility believed they were descended from the 10 lost tribes of Israel, so there's something to it@@samw7998
The fact Classic hymns and historic Christian music is appreciated by non-religious people is enough to prove to me it's superior to contemporary Christian music which generally isn’t even enjoyed by most Christians.
Check out Sondae or Darla Baltazar-- I thought that maybe you may like these artists 💗
I would agree to disagree- contemporary Christian music actually HITS. Just find the right style
I wasn't convinced until you said that classical/hymn Christian music is widely appreciated by society compared to contemporary Christian music only being enjoyed by Christians. That's a very interesting point and it's got me thinking about this topic more.
Remember - the Church's job is to impress the world, shining the light with its goodness, truth, and beauty (don't forget the beauty)
Baroque Christian music is severely underrated, falling behind classical in terms of popularity…Bach, Handel, Vivaldi, etc. all composed arias (vocal music) that were commissioned for churches or aristocratic individuals.
@@redeemedzoomer6053not the beauty of a building, of Jesus and the gospel
@@redeemedzoomer6053 It reminds me of what you said about evolution on your Instagram. People who support YEC are largely Christian. It's very rare to find secular people who believe YEC. However, both Christians and secular people affirm Darwinist evolution.
Gospel music is definitely enjoyed by people who aren't christian.
Crazy story! I was an atheist and explicit hater of christianity but lover of humanity so i thought it was a kindness to explain how silly christianity was to anyone who would listen. I listened to a lot of dawkins, hitchens, harris that crowd. Anyway my job was doing deliveries in the mountains around colorado springs..... the only stations i could get were 2 christian stations. Klove and another local springs station. After about 6 months of being forced to listen some of the songs started getting a little familiar and sounded pretty good. Klove was foing this thing cslled the klove challenge. No theology.... no scripture.... just listen to nothing but christian music for a month think about the lyrics and nothing else. See what changes take place in your life.... i couldnt believe how much nicer to people i became. How much less selfish i became, i started thinking "man if all these people are doing this in vein, it would be an absolute tragedy" i thought maybe i could take some of the tenets of christianity and improve myself with them.
One night while camping in this area called sangre de cristos i woke up in the middle of the night to relieve myself. I was stunned at what i saw... the night sky above the clouds was the most incredibly beautiful thing i had ever seen. I got thinking.... what other animal besides a human would be awestruck by such a sight? Not one... not a chimp, not an elephant, a dog, a crow, or a dolphin or any of the animals we consider intelligent by animal standards. Something is different in humans that allows us to appreciate something like that..... the thought process eventually led me to believe in god again and it all started with a CCM station having more reception than the rock stations in the mountains. Crooked sticks right?
Thanks for sharing your experience! Welcome my brother in Christ! ✝
@cosmicpigeonjanitor7939 thanks.... its really amazing how the lord got to me.
Amazing just please capitalize God
As a 17-year-old classical musician who has been forced to play contemporary music at a Pentecostal church, twice a week, for the past 4 years, I can tell before watching that I’m going to agree with a lot of the content in this video. I’ve always tried to voice my opinions on it but my mum just complains that I simply don’t value God and the talent he’s given me enough.
Edit: He says he plays the viola, he has now lost all credibility
Never be ashamed of hating contemporary music. That's your soul speaking to you, craving true beauty
@@redeemedzoomer6053 Thanks m8, when I’m older and no longer bound by evangelicalism, I’ll do what you’re doing with your reconquesta thing, except I’ll be reforming music in the church. MARK MY WORDS IT’S GONNA HAPPEN!
That edit😂
@@redeemedzoomer6053 I don't think "true beauty" is the term I'd use as I'd just call it good music from a design perspective.
Modern chart toppers, be it rap, pop, etc cetera seem to follow a whole different school of musical art than songs used to. Modern mainstream music looks to maximize viewer engagement through sex appeal and memorable beats as opposed to the compositional genius that makes the music of the past memorable. This focal shift to grabing the viewer's attention seems to happen to any art form whose production gets industrialized from movies, to music, video games, painting, et cetera.
Actually well composed music still exists, just not mainstream.
Viola players endless struggle to produce a clear non-scratchy tone perfectly symbolizes the human struggle against the sinful heart. When we finally manage to play more than three subsequent notes perfectly in tune, (and add a lovely wide, yet slow vibrato) we can feel Gods mercy and love overflowing through the strings like the sweetest of syrupy goodness.
This comment deserves more love
Much like violas.
I love this comment! It reads like poetry and it resonates with me very deeply. I don’t see a lot of love for the viola, but they are so vital to the sound of the string section. As with the body of Christ, violas cannot say they are useful because they are not a violin or a cello. Neither can a cello say they are useless because they are not a contrabass or a viola. This comment was a great blessing to me.
As a former math major it made me happy to hear another math major who sees God's beauty through mathematical truths! Also, Vern Poythress' book "Redeeming Mathematics" is a wonderful take on God's sovereignty and its relation to mathematical truths.
I'm so glad there are genz so devoted to God
Ever since I saw Disney’s Hercules as a kid I’ve loved Gospel music 😌 it really captures how more emotional people experience G-d.
And I am sure (unfortunately) this guy would REALLY dislike that form of Soul/80s/charismatic leaning form of Gospel music sadly!
@@hiptoalieuNot necessarily
@@hiptoalieuhe said in an earlier video that he likes black gospel music
Pls do NOT leave the o out of God
"Traditional music was contemporary when it was written"
Yeah, and what was good is remembered, and what was bad is forgotten. Go through a modern hymnal, and you'll find each century, each decade, making its contribution to the whole.
What contemporary songs do you think would be included in 200 years?
@@gumbyshrimp2606 I'm partial to the tune of _Earth and All Stars_ and I'm grateful people have been attempting to write less silly lyrics for it.
There will probably be a style of worship using popular tunes, with Christianized lyrics. I suspect "Let It Go" will be turned into an anthem about salvation, and the original lyrics about shirking responsibility will be forgotten.
No one remembers the lyrics to "Greensleeves", but everyone at least recognizes "What Child is This".
Premodern church Music always remembered us of silence and quiet contemplation of God. Modern church music plays with our most animal emotions to make us feel good.
@@jimluebke3869To be fair let it go is good inside the movie's narrative, it expresses perfectly what Elsa felt at the moment. The problem is it being more remembered than Elsa finally accepting her responsabilities for the ones she loved at the end of the movie.
"No right no wrong no rules for me" almost costed Anna's life
@@igorlopes7589 Every single song in that movie fits well, but is full of incredibly bad judgement.
"Summer" is just the icing on that cake.
I guess it fits well with other Disney movie songs, though.
As someone who like Christian Power Metal - Theres approprite places for different music, obviously a church service isnt going to be blasting metal. Some music can be quiet for prayer, others instil unity and music such as said metal can instill awe for the power of God. I think theres a place for all of it, so long as its from a place of worship.
Id be curious though to hear others opinions on this...
If anyones interested Theocracys Easter is an epic tale and Narnia's MNFST are some of my favourites
Just checked those out. Easter is now in my top 5 favorite songs.
As someone who doesn't listen to CCM when I feel the need to humble myself into a posture of worship and instead chooses to listen to the likes of Wolves At The Gate or My Epic (not Power Metal, but definitely on the aggressive side of things) I wholeheartedly agree
Electronic music lover here, i'm with you!
Christian metal is really underrated. I’m a doom metal guy, and everyone in doom metal seems to love Trouble but nobody else is really into Christian metal bands apart from actual Christian communities
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I am working to be a classical musician and I am so happy you made this video I have been making many of these points for a while now and it makes me glad that you are shedding some light on it
Edit: nice organ btw
I remember my mama, what's told me that music is like a magic, obviously when you listen to Happy Music, you'll be happy, and sad music will make you sad, but gospel music will lift up your spirits and get close to Jesus if I remember correctly
I also find it incredibly interesting that every pastor I’ve spoken w/ in their office when I went in was listening to classical music to help them 1). Focus 2). Come into the beauty of God. My dad is SBC pastor & every time I walked past his study I’d hear classical music being played. He’s also a former music major & music minister so that helps
Bach's chaconne (bwv 1004) and it's beauty literally touched my heart and pointed me to God.
I've learned so much from this guy and he's so wholesome! honestly a great channel!
i should also change my name
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БОЖЕ ЦАРЯ ХРАНИ! ❤
❤ oh boy if this is how hard Zoomer goes on contemporary worship music i would love to hear his thoughts on metal and rock and roll music
Great video!
Just something that I thought was an inaccuracy:
The ideas of subjectivity and self-centredness afaik are not associated with modernism but rather postmodernism, at least in the musical space. Modernism in the 20th century was very much concerned with the pursuit of objectivity and order (as a response to the perceived excesses of Romanticism), even if it can be argued some composers tried to pass off their subjective ideas as such. Webern for instance did not take his brand of twelve-tone serialism as a "personal/individual" thing but actually believed it was THE way forward, hence he called it "the new music" (we all know how that ended up). Postmodernism is what you are thinking of when it comes to epistemological relativism and the rejection of objectivity.
Your point on modernism's rejection of the resolution of dissonance (which carried over into postmodernism) still stands nonetheless, though I would be slightly more lenient: despite my dislike for the music of the Second Viennese School, I respect that they were attempting to find a solution to the exhaustion of tonal music but I think they were simply looking in the wrong place. Bartok is interesting because he doesn't abandon tonality but redefines it, and his highly dissonant works finish on surprising tonal resolutions. I wonder what your thoughts might be on Debussy and the French composers, as they still preserve the resolution of dissonance but do so in a way that departs from the "functionality" of the common practice period.
Another thing of interest to consider... the harmonic series produces an "exotic" scale that is not part of the 7 church modes, called the acoustic scale or Lydian Dominant since it sharpens the fourth and flattens the seventh (according to just intonation). It would only be natural to question why this scale is little-known and underused (and the modes favoured instead), since one can argue that it is baked into the physics of music by God and therefore should be at the apex of the tonal hierarchy.
Finally... having revealed yourself as a violist, do you intend to post videos of yourself performing at some point?
Sincerely,
a composer
wow this really revolutionized my mind! As a music student, this made me reflect on what music is and how I can use music as a tool to fully glorify God. I guess this is why music therapy exists. Using music to help people overcome a sickness, for example, PTSD, Cancer, Amnesia etc. God's power really transcended through music eh?
In my opinion, the assertion that classical music is objectively the greatest possible form of music and everything else since then has gotten it wrong is just not true. Metal is personally my favorite genre of music. Metal sounds way more beautiful to me than classical music does. There are so many metal songs that literally give me chills every time I listen to them. Hillsong isn't bad because rock music isn't beautiful, it's bad because crappy, mass-produced, public domain music isn't beautiful. If you don't believe me, listen to "Awake and Alive" by the Christian metal band Skillet. It is one of the most beautiful songs I have ever heard.
Our uni's acapella group did "Feel Invincible" a few years ago (no the group is not Christian)
Gives off hella Ben Shapiro vibes
If you think of CWM music in that realm, then that EXACTLY proves MY point about subjective beauty!
Many people think of Christian Hard Rock as being not "peaceful" enough. (LOL)
Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I personally hate metal, and just thinking about some like Linkin Park gives me a headache 😂
Please, if you’re a Christian, just make sure what you’re listening to is pure and righteous
Oh you sweet soul, linkin park is barely even classified as metal. @@chillmemes5865
Lutherans have the best sacred music, hands down. Soli Deo Gloria!
Not gonna lie Redeemed Zoomer… the second half of this video was probably some of the best presuppositional apolegetics I’ve ever heard 😂
Nooooooo 😂
@@redeemedzoomer6053 Trust me man, my circular logic is wayyyy better than your circular logic 🔄
I'm a music major (violinist) and I'm currently taking a required class on 20th century music theory. It's largely post-tonal garbage that doesn't sound good at all. There's serialism, so-called extended techniques, ametric rhythm, and lots of other nonsense that seems like it was used for the sake of it, without caring if the piece is actually enjoyable to listen to.
But there are still some great composers from the 20th century who wrote actual good music. An underrated one imo is Respighi. Listen to his pieces "Church Windows" and "Concerto Gregoriano". I played the latter piece for a recital a while back
Atonal 12-tone music, like Schoenberg, is a crime. Luckily things got a LITTLE better with Steve Reich and John Adams with their minimalism
I see INNOVATION as being the most admirable part of most all classical and Neo classical composers...so yeah, Chopin was innovative but Gershwin was also hugely innovative as well.@@redeemedzoomer6053
I’m so glad you mentioned Respighi, I also believe he’s underrated… his secular music in general is just incredible.
@@redeemedzoomer6053Then things got a little too ‘objectively beautiful’ and people like Ludovico Einaudi came along, who are just pop song writers without lyrics. I wonder what you think about Philip Glass… some of his stuff is quite interesting indeed but then he has some string quartets (Mishima) and piano pieces (The Hours) which I’d say are quite beautiful. I appreciate Steve Reich far more though because at least his music for 18 musicians and all that stuff are actually incredibly complex and beautiful pieces, whereas Glass, while he’s hailed as being complex and difficult, really just builds his pieces on repetitive arpeggios. I’ve had enough of people who call composers like Glass and Cage ‘geniuses’ when in actual fact they were just trying to dismantle every aspect of traditional music without even making it bearable to listen to, in many cases.
Oh, and don’t forget Barber!
That’s also why we must be careful what we listen to
I Started listening to psalms, cause of you bro thank you
Never knew the M in STEM stood for Music 💀 1:17
No it's math, he got it mixed up
One of the reasons I love Rich Mullins' music. His music and lyrics had such variety and complexity. Although he went to be with the Lord 27 years ago, his legacy lives on. If you've never heard of this guy, you should check him out.
Finally someone knows about Mullins nobody at my youth group knows who he is
I hear rich Mullins and automatically thought Andrew Peterson lol also a fantastic artist
If mathematics and music reveal the mind of God, does that mean math rock the most Godly genre of music?
YES...playing things in 14/8 @ 145.6666689 BPM using all SEVEN modes will DEFINITELY bring people to the Lord...LOL (I love prog btw!!)
So tool fans act the way they do because they thing they are talking to God? It all makes sense now
@@HaildarklordvaderAs an insufferable Tool fan, it's always been this way...
@@HaildarklordvaderI always thought Tool’s music was transcendental
Huberman podcast did a similar video, which I commented that Christians should know to watch what they hear, see, think, and do on account of this reverberation of music and other entertainment. It resounds in the heart if you allow it resonate with you in some way.
I was reading that a week ago in Plato’s republic for school. Music feeds directly into the soul, surpassing the mind, and it makes people love what’s good and hate what’s evil. According to Plato. Great book. Who wants to suffer with me and read it?
You can find consonant and dissonant tonal structures in pretty much ANY form of Christian music! Modern Worship Songs do a really good job of this...
Take a listen to where the minor chord is placed in "Death Was Arrested" The lyric says "Darkness rejoiced as though heaven had lost..." That line ends with an A minor whole and there's a big floor tom and kick drum hit that I play to emphasize the darkness of that tone..."BUT THEN JESUS AROSE" IMMEDIATELY the band starts driving on the major tonic chord and OF COURSE it's major!
That song is awesome
That song has a lot of fluff though and still comes out as a concert rather than a hymn
Redeemed Zoomer is the type of guy who would play viola.
I wonder how operation reconquista is going. I've picked up little hints that the Episcopalians are doing well. Can't wait to hear updates.
it's going really well. I'm meeting the national conservative conference of Episcopalians in person tomorrow
@@redeemedzoomer6053 Wow, that's great! Hope the meeting goes super well!
I ain't seeing anything like that here in Indiana. The Diocese of Indianapolis is as woke as ever.
I love both Contemporary and Classical Worship music, but i do agree that the classical worship music is objectively beautiful.
not sure if it's possible for a violist to have anything insightful to say about music but I'll watch I guess
The oppression of us never ends…
I love music especially classical and worship music I play the harp not professionally but I do play I like to play Christian music I'll do classical also I want to learn more music but with my learning disability and other disabilities on top of that it's hard but I enjoy music
The best example of this is Handel’s Messiah. It’s beautiful.
Kings Kaleidoscope is amazing and nothing like the rest of contemporary Christian music. I highly recommend them. Rain and The Rush are my 2 favorite songs by them
one of the things I appreciated during my time on an IFB seminary is their music program centered on trad and classical music. we get ragged on other Christians who listen to CCM that we listen to old boring Christian music or that we are so limited with our musical options, but its because of that limitation Iv heard great Christian music composed by the music students in that seminary.
You should really check out the song creature by half•alive. It's a song I find extremely moving, but with a new style that's not at all cookie cutter contemporary. You may not like it but I think it proves Christ centered music has so much room for beauty and creativity different from the classics (which are of course amazing) and better than the uninspired repetitive nonsense most modern Christian music has become.
Also, loved the video, thank you as always for your thoughtful takes on modern problems.
Love your stuff dude, keep it up! God bless!
I believe that music’s ability to connect the human soul to God isn’t absent in modern Christian music. I also would posit that the statement that CCM is objectively bad is incorrect. It may be simpler in chord structure, but as someone who has studied both of these styles of music, has played both, and has been connected to god through both, one is not superior to the other.
Some Hymns have more chords than modern Contemporary Worship music, BUT some hymns have a LOT less chords than Modern Christian Music!
I’m a musician myself, and what you were saying about music history and music theory and the physics of music gave me flashbacks from my time as an undergraduate music student lol I really enjoyed your take on it. I wasn’t surprised to hear that you were a music/math double major. In my time I’ve met a lot of those and even though intuitively I kind of understood how your explanation of how the two are related kind of generated a kind of eureka moment for me. Math is the language of God that governs the universe and is a window into the mind of God, and music is when you take those mathematical principles and organize them in a way to communicate the beauty of God in order to move the human will towards the good. Math communicates the true, which in turn is used by music to communicate the beautiful, which in turn orients the will towards the good. Really incredible stuff. In a way though, couldn’t one say that all arts in some form, like painting, also use math to communicate the beauty of God, too. In a sense there’s math behind every art form.
As Hank Hill once said, "You're not making rock 'n' roll any better. You're just making Christianity worse."
But seriously, as a chemistry teacher in a public school, your point about seeing the beauty of things kinda did resonate with me- I think if I can manage that, I can be WAY more effective in everything.
Also, are you ever going to destroy the most beautiful presuppositionalist house?
I thought the saying was the other way around, making rock worse
I have been considering a prog metal band that's songs are exclusively from Psalms.
“A Mighty Fortress is our God” ( a Martin Luther original) is hands down the best hymn.
Always learning a lot from you
cool to learn more about music theory thru this💯💯💯
Gotta shout out Crown and Covenant for their beautiful Psalm-singing albums! Give them a listen.
I just want to say as someone in R.C.I.A. To become Catholic. I truly respect your love of Christ and your dedication to denomination. I really enjoy your videos and find wisdom in a lot of them. God bless you and your loved ones.
It’s nice to see another fellow violist. Especially in a non-music related channel.
RZ, I have a question: What is your opinion on prayer beads and Christians who use them? Are they a good way to pray and honor God?
And I don't mean just the Catholics who pray the Rosary. I also mean beads like the Eastern Christian Chotki, or the Lutheran Wreath of Christ.
Check out Christian Combatives on TH-cam. He’s a LCMS pastor with a super underrated channel who has don’t a pretty extensive video series on opinions on the “Lutheran Rosary” but I think it would apply to the use of prayer beads in other faith traditions within Christianity
@@bendeacon6994 Thanks, I will check him out.
Hello brother! Wanted to stop by and thank you for all your great work and service. Great video brother!
17:32 wooaahhhh yeah that's true! I have always wondered what felt wrong to me when Atheists would say God can't be real because He is not able to be seen etc, but they cannot say that because not all things we know as true/real can be seen.
Even then, they might say they don't believe in truth, but they're believing that they don't believe in truth, which to them is truth (if that makes sense). So they can't even rule that out.
That's a good useful fact to have in my pocket!
At last, the episode I begged for! 😊
Yeah for me personally I rather go to a church that does hymns and older worship music (before 2000s) then whatever Hillsong and Evelation is doing
Greetings from Brazil
23:10 I can't agree more with this bit here It's so true.
Amen and God bless
When it comes to math and music, I think the same could be said of art and painting. So much of the technically parts are learned through math.
i’ve honestly always LOVEDD classical music. Not to say that i don’t like contemporary worship either, but as a classical violinist and pianist (ik how to read alto clef too though LOLL) i just wish i was exposed to more of that at a church, you know? they’re both completely different vibes, and i know im also very young, but i find there to be such a beauty in tradition ❤❤ i was also raised roman catholic and pentecostal (what a mix, i know 😍) but ive also always been very interested in theology. I’m not sure about where my view is on predestination.. but i do definitely want a very biblical view on it
but i remember when i saw music and stuff in my dad’s pentecostal church, i was so surprised because i didn’t even realize it was possible 😭 idk thoughhh i wish i had a church that had both tbh
20:30 "Modern culture doesn't believe in the soul" ironic, considering the word "psychology", which is a relatively modern science, comes from ψυχε (psukhe), which is the Greek word for "soul." Just thought I should mention.
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Music is math where 2+2=4
BUT You can make it SOUND and FEEL like 2+2=34
That's why it's beautiful
LITERALLY YES! A 4/4 common time signature is just 2 subdivisions of 2 beats
Just curious; you're an Eagle Scout, right? Did you ever have much to do with the Order of the Arrow? Their song is to the same tune as God Save the Tzar.
actually? DANG IT! I could have joined but I didn't get around to it
I wish some members of my church would understand this
Have you heard of Glad? They’re an acapella band that redoes hymns really well. Their version of for a thousand tongues is really good.
While i agree with you a ton o thought id mention that specifically with major and minor chords. The idea of them being sad or tense i do believe is cultural. Here in the west and in Europe we see those that way but i.ve heard some other places see minor chords not as sad but instead beautiful.
As a violinist, minute 24:00 caught me so offguard sir😂😂😂. You are indeed a violist very into the music world😂😂
We band kids have the exact same jokes about trumpeters. (must be something about soprano instruments)
Actually, we have jokes about every instrument.
Flute = hyperfeminine to the point that male flautists' sexuality is constantly called into question
Clarinet = blames EVERYTHING that goes wrong on a bad reed, even if it's completely unrelated to music
Saxophone = generic NPC; lives for memes
F Horn = somehow more annoying and egotistical than trumpeters
Trombone = never matured past like 12
Euphonium (that was me) = either the biggest gigachads you've ever met or complete loners; there is no in between
Tuba = fat and stupid
Percussion = constantly pretending to be cool, but actually kinda mid
@@BestBuddyNoivern yo the horn and trombone ones 😆 yeah it might be sopran instruments (that makes sense) but in orchestra ive never heard the trumpets being poked fun of as egotistical.
@@BestBuddyNoivern I'm a percussionist (bass and guitar too) and therefore I'm objectively cooler than all those other nerds.
I sincerely believe this is the best video currently on TH-cam
Oh music is more stem and mathematics is more arts!
Lol has a grain of truth
Maybe he says STEAM instead of STEM
whoops! I meant the other way around haha
FYI: Note that 2024 is the 350th Anniversary of a landmark year of Anglophonic (English-language) hymnody. 1674 saw two great events: 1.) The publication of Thomas Ken's three hymns that are cited as arguably the birth of English hymnody (in terms of breaking away from the Psalms-only), including the words of the now-universally-beloved Common Doxology ("Praise God from Whom all Blessings Flow") and 2.) The birth of the great hymnodist Isaac Watts, whose work is the standard which most subsequent hymns have emmulated and been judged by.
Loved the connection between mathematics and music - these have always been the two primary fields of study in my life and sometimes I think I am crazy for other people not seeing it. Also, the outro music was quite beautiful. Did you compose it yourself?
currently thinking ab changing churches (from nondenom to presby) and i think the music is one of the reasons why. i dont rlly like the repetition of current christian music and the non-solemnity of it all. hymns and christ centered songs are much more solemn even if they’re not that “fun”
Glad to hear that! Find a historic Presbyterian church near you:
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It might surprise you that ALMOST all people associated churches with those things, HOWEVER this is also why many people said they wouldn't "darken the doorstep" of a church.
Where other Christian's saw beauty...others saw, an obsession with formality and traditionalism.
It might surprise him that all the stuff that he says about "modern culture" and atheism isn't really real outside California. Bro also straw man's atheist arguments (I'm not atheist, but I've never met one that says the things he supposedly says.
Now I'm very curious about what he thinks of black metal
Does anyone have any Christian black metal bands?
@@supaFGospod was a really good Russian Orthodox Black Metal band, more on the atmospheric/softer side, though they recently apostatized to Paganism. Other than that, two names I have heard of but not yet listened to are Antestor and Extol.
@@supaF crimson moonlight, Ignite the gods, symphony of heaven
@@supaFHorde‼️there's also a pretty large contingent of black metal that isn't anti-christian or pagan like Dawn or Vinterland
im not sure if you have the prereqs but taking classes in fourier series or signals shows directly how music and math are linked. Im studying electrical engineering and we are learning about convolution and harmonics right now. pretty cool stuff
I was hoping to see organs that you can actually play (made with note blocks), not only visual. Are there organs like that anywhere else on the server?
I actually have one in my church, but sadly someone messed with the note blocks so I'll fix it when I get around to it
thanks for the video God bless you :)
Could you suggest any (free) resources that teach music theory in more of a mathematical way and in close relationship to spiritual realities?
Funny thing is Spirit Science who talks about New Age stuff made a video similar to this but without the Christianity. The problem with the New Age POV is that it neglects the importance of the "lyrics" written in Psalms, the word of God written through the hands of King David and others.
Hey RZ can you post a link to the Genevan Psalter in the comments the description is blank for this video
sorry! Fixed it
@@redeemedzoomer6053thanks no worries
I have a different experience because CCM was what drew me to church initially. CCM is simpler harmonically but that doesn't necessarily make it less beautiful, because beauty is not one dimensional. After all God created plains and hills and valleys and called all of them good. But loud drums can be distracting for sure.
I would instead hazard a guess that classical music can sound more sacred because the modern tuning system sounds more out of tune than classical tuning systems in easy keys.
Amen❣️
Good vid. Would have been even better if you had spliced in examples of the different musical concepts you were talking about
Just curious, what do you guys think of some more experimental contemporary classical composers that where (or still are) also Christian, like Olivier Messiaen, early Krzysztof Penderecki or Sofia Gubaidulina? I'm an atheist, but I'm still interested in seeing some other interpretations of the music I love, and recognise that the Church has had a profound impact on all of Classical Music.
very kewl
"The only people who enjoy it are the people who agree with the message of the lyrics???"
UM...I can't tell you how many comments on LIVE Worship Song videos have started with, "I'm a Muslin...but WOW is this beautiful!!!
man i love redeemed zoomer
Amen❤❤🎉🎉😊😊
Hi Zoomer. I sing in a historic Anglo-Saxon Abbey and used to run my own sacred music choir. I'm glad there is appreciation for traditional church music even in lower worship circles such as yours (I know you are more high church compared to most presbyterians but I come from a high church anglican tradition for comparison). Does your church have a choir and what kind of things to they sing as part of worship? Does your church rely more on contemporary music or homophonic congregational music, rather than more intricate/polyphonic pieces in the catholic/anglican styles? Are you involved in your church's music?
Hello good video
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BEAUTY IS SUBJECTIVE
Because God created humans with the ability to appreciate different aspects of exquisitely crafted things that He created!
For instance, which is MORE beautiful, a rose or a root structure?
Well we know that they were both created by the Author of Beauty and the Scriptures do say He has made everything beautiful in HIS time, so they are BOTH beautiful, just in completely different ways.
Plus perception plays a big role as well, do you look at a rose and see the flowers before the thorns, or the other way around? Or yes a Venus flytrap is gorgeous but because of the predatory nature of that plant, some people would completely overlook it's beauty.
Heck, there are metal bands that use more classical/gospel like elements more than the modern church!!!
2 things:
First, I completely agree that modern 'worship' music is entrirely too self centered and experiential and that that is an issue that must be resolved in the Church
Second, I would like to see Zoomer play some music that is 'objectively' beautiful and explain why (chord progressions, musical phrasing, structural composition,etc) as well as a piece of music that is objectively not-beautiful and explain why. I agree that most CCM isn't beautiful, but the first time I heard 'King of Kings' I was really impressed by it's beauty, then distraught to find out it's by Hillsong😅
21:40 It's like when I hear Sabaton's "The Last Stand", I want to take up a sword and fight for the Holy See.
I actually had a question for you relating this topic… what is your opinion on Matt Boswell, Keith and Kristyn Getty, and Matt Papa? These four create music with a strict meter (thereby having the structure of traditional worship music) but the music they create is often set to a contemporary instrumentation…
(Also, forgive the four-digit tag at the end of my username; TH-cam assigned it to me, and I haven’t bothered to change it…)
an intro apologetics video would be cool
Can we have your Spotify playlist?
The implications of these transcendentals go right to the mystery of God and existence.
Ave María is my favorite.