This is only true when they have a Plot type A interior space manipulator on board. Alas that was only available on one ship that the Federation renegade James T Kirk stole.
I would like to point out the Klingon idea of the Captain leading his/her troops into battle, hence the bridge being at the front of the ship and the captain's chair being forward-most seat short of helm/navigation. While not the smartest idea, they are a warrior race.
The Bird of Prey was a dagger (a Mek'Leth if you will), very useful in quick jabs from points of advantage that you can recover from. Only a fool *charges* a foe with a dagger.
The B'Rel class is useful as a scout, but it also excels at a very particular type of ship to ship combat - Strafe attacks. Using a combination of its high speed, fixed forward firing weapons, and cloaking device, the B'Rel can sneak up on an enemy ship, accelerate, decloak, strafe the target and zoom past it and recloak. We see this be used several times in DS9.
100% agree with the Bird of Prey (B'rel) as a scout / raider only vessel. Thats its best role. Was neat to see in DS9, during the Dominion War, the Wolf Pack style deployment the Klingons used with it's B'rels.
I think Sisko and Martok said it best when they described the BoP attacks as Cavalry charges. They are amazing to see swarm an outnumbered opponent. They are also probably cheap and easy to mass produce, which is an easy answer to why the great houses used them so much and why they are used during the latter part of the Dominion war to such an extent.
Ah, but the Federation's practice of storing any spare fireworks in their bridge consoles is NOTHING compared to the Klingon's apparent surplus of exploding trampolines.
I love the salty nature of this channel. "And yet I'm the bad guy when I call human tech substandard for the era." It was substandard though, even in canon Earth was learning from the Vulans who would often withhold tech/information from the humans.
The browning .50 cal of Star Trek. Since 1933 there has only been two design changes. I honestly have no doubt this weapon will surpass 100 years of service until we make the leap from projectile weapons or at least cartridges as we know them today.
Steve Pounder 1933? Pft. Take a look at the model 1911 :) pistol. 107 Years old and shows no sign of slowing down, and selling better than ever, despite over a century of non stop production. The only thing with a longer service life is the Brown Bess Musket, and I think it’s record will be broken. I suspect we will be seeing the same thing happen with the AR-15/M-16 family, I see those in service well into the 22nd century.
Steve Pounder It depends on how you define active service. The 1911 remains in service in various foreign militaries, and our own never completely stopped using it, though that use is limited to selectability by special forces. It also remains in use by many law enforcement agencies. In civilian use it never stopped being popular.
Good vid. Loved the snarky commentary. I can't wait for a look at the Jenolan Dyson Sphere from Relics. And how the UFP never speaks of it again. Or of how they discovered immortality through transporter diagnostic loops
Chang's Prototype bird of prey. Overall the bird of prey is a solid ship for its use. Wolfpack tactics in pairs of 3 - hit and run like LoreReloaded said. Or also support Klingon Cruisers maybe.
I have one point about the size... in ST4:tVH we get this really good shot of the BoP hovering above a fishing vessel. We can know how big the fishing vessel is so we can extrapolate. We know how large a Galaxy Class star ship is and we can use the torpedos fired by the Enterprise in "Yesterday's Enterprise" to some what gauge an approximation to the Alternate Timeline BoP. Also, we have footage of the Birds of Prey around DS9, along with footage of other vessels docked. In the end, Birds of Prey in the movies all seem comparable to the Defiant Class, with the ones from TNG era seem to range from that size to the size of the Saucer Section of the Galaxy Class.
Ex Astris Scientia has loads of pictures from all the film appearances, including that one. It looks the biggest in that pic, but the smallest when landed in that film.
Hands down one of my favorite ship types to command in Star Trek Online. I'd love to see a video on the various cruisers of the Klingon empire, like the Vor'cha and Negh'var. c: Can we petition to have Star Trek: Discovery removed from alpha canon?
Early Bird was actually a more effective design than it’s eventual successor. It actually had near 360 firing arc with that ventral mounted canon. I think it at least deserves a name.
I suppose the design and armament of the 22nd century BoP makes sense, compared to the later versions, since it doesn't have a cloaking device like later ships did. Where a B'rel class could pop out of cloak, hit a target and disappear again the early BoP needed to rely on shields and weapons to survive.
I read about the ds9 episode way of the warrior earlier today. apparently, for this episode, they'd been tasked with redesigning several Klingon ships but due to budgetary constraints the designs weren't used in ds9 and ended up being used in enterprise instead which would explain why this seemed to fix some of the issues of the tng/ds9 bird of prey.
I think the Bird-of-Prey is my favorite ship design in all Star Trek media, right alongside the Defiant-class. And they both suffered from the same design problems: their sizes were left deliberately ambiguous. I understand why they did that, though. They needed some flexibility to make the ships larger or smaller depending on the challenges they faced. Compared to other vessels the BOP would sometimes be so small that it was comically outmatched. Hard to look like a credible threat under those circumstances but if they ever gave definitive size dimensions in alpha canon then they would have to stick to them. By leaving those details largely vague the ship could be whatever size they needed for the scene.
Well when small it's good. Never liked the larger version. Plus they could have improved it with the ability to carry two smaller craft for raider runs.
(Casual watcher) Dont we see different bird of prey variants in Ds9 multiple times? Its likely that weaker/smaller "houses" get the older models and are forced to make due while those above get the newer variants that could easily have a different size/setup with the more advanced tech
Br'el and K'Vort are different sizes and lilkely a limited run but a house or two. the main crusier was the Ktinga till the Vorcha and all Klingon ships have the Bridge in front.
I think the Bird of Prey is comparable to a WWII Destroyer. Its a small fighting ship that works best when its using its superior speed and maneuverability in squadrons taking out larger capital vessels. Its pretty much the Klingon version of the Defiant.
This website appears to have the most accurate and consistent info on Star Trek starships. Perhaps reference this in the future. KVort class cruisers are bigger than BoP and more powerful. www.ditl.org/ PS. Agreed with you on how feminism is ruining STD. It's so forced an contrived and should be insulting to anyone that truly believes in equality for all and the spirit of Star Trek.
I'm sure I've mentioned Ex Astris Scientia before. Very high quality, like Memory Alpha. The Daystrom Institute Technical Library site is nearly as good.
A fairly good size comparison of the two Bird Of Prey can actually be found. In a fair few video sequences in Deep Space Nine you see the Defiant and several B'rel class ships flying side by side(such as Gul Dukut's captured Bird of Prey and Martok's I.K.S. Rotarran). As such the B'rel can be considered close to the size of a Federation Defiant class ship or a Dominion Jem'hadar Attack ship. Also, if you watch some video sequences of the 'Star Trek: Elite Force' video game, in one part you will see a makeshift space station built by the races trapped like you are in the game. It is made out of a Maelon Garbarge Scowl, a Mirror Universe Terran Empire Constitution class ship and a Klingon K'Vort class Bird of Prey. With them being so close together you can see the K'Vort class is about the same size of a ToS Constitution Class Starship.
deep space nine was /amazingly/ bad about doing sizes accurately. The inaccurately present the size of the defiant, galaxy class ships, and most alien ships for the sake of it looking good on tv.
Ex Astris Scientia generally has the most accurate size data. Rick Sternbach updates the length from 110 m to 139 m for the Hayes Bird of Prey Manual though.
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well informatively explained and executed in every detail and every shape way and form possibly provided indeed, On about the Klingon birds of prey and all their various designs and sizes and their roles with in the Empire. And the one in Discovery as far as I'm concerned doesn't belong it belongs in some alternate universe all of its own period!.
I've incorporated the basic design into the G.L.L Empire's fleet. The ships are used as scouts and patrol ships. Standard light patrol being 1-2 ships depending on the sector. Larger ones with 4-6 ships supported by 1-3 Sagittarius class destroyers with either an Orion class battle cruiser or Arcadia class heavy cruiser as flag ship. Another use is as a training ships to be used on hunts for the blooding of young Archeronians. With the addition of 2 large pods under the wings it is also used for deployment of troops, tanks, apcs, and combat bikes.
I've heard that the Klingon ships from Discovery are not just far older than the main Klingon ships that we normally see, but that they actually used parts/technology from captured Hur'q vessels from a thousand years prior.
Your video made me laugh so hard I spit soda out my nose watching it. The stuff about discovery cracked me up. I am so glad I'm a patreon subscriber and that I can help you make more of this content. Keep up the great work.
Another great vid, do you use or consider STO a source for ship information? I know the game is not considered alpha cannon but it seems pretty darn close in most aspects.
As a scout and/or a raider, it an excellent ship, as a cruiser, it just sucks in that role. But she is a beautiful looking ship for what it is. A hit and run raider, that is deadly in "wolf packs". As solo role, scout and recon.
I always thought the Bird Of Prey is best as a scout and for any in-atmosphere military operations. It would be great to insert and extract troops when their enemy either used some sort of jamming technology or the environment made mass beaming a problem. Could be used as close air support missions and so fourth. In the DS9 episode the Siege of AR-558 it would have been great to have a Klingon bird of Prey attached to a small battle group lend close fire missions to the Star Fleet personnel holding their position. But that didn't happen cause why use military tactics when you can send only one ship to such a hostile military combat zone. To me the Bird of Prey is like a A-10 warthog, it's outdated and old but if the writters had used it correctly it could have been said that the Bird of Prey stuck around because it was so good at the role it was given. It's design clearly gives it an edge in atmospheric flight. I just wish they exploited that more
It's a shame the Federation did not embrace this design. It clearly is a capable, competent strike ship whose abilities are woefully understated. A Federation version of this ship would have had the benefit of their advanced computer and warp technology. Also a robust armored hull similar to USS Defiant which can take tremendous damage and still keep fighting. This Klingon/Federation hybrid ship would have been perfect against the Borg with cloaked, high sublight speed tactics and quantum torpedoes dealing a massive and fatal blow to all but the dreaded Borg Tactical Cube. A true tribute to the masterful Art of War. Tsung Tzu would have been pleased with this ship.
STD is ships are not canon! This video is just more proof of it. What type of absurdity would one have to believe to think they went from the ENT era Bird of Prey to the STD delusion then back to the TOS movies Birds of Prey. STD's ending could conceivably be a fictionalized alternate history novel written by the Voyager Doctor and Tom Paris 20 years after VOY's return. It's still canon but we don't know about it until the final season, likely season 2.
I know I'm grasping at straws but honestly can you give me a better reason for radical design change only to change back, to say nothing of the physical redesign of the Klingons?
It is called a Retcon it happens in fictional universes all the time. Specially when timetravel is involved. i'm hoping it is prime universe adjacent like the Kelvin is. Where at some point it was the prime universe but something happened to alter the events. As Rnukes stated temporal cold war. For all we know the timeline was altered in Enterprise. As much as I dislike it we can't argue with Canon. We as fans don't get to make up the rules we just get to grumble about it.
i wish they would make a show about the temporal cold war each episode being in a different era. fixing plot holes tying up lose end. and just be a love letter to fans. maybe explore new things
Well its interesting. The phasers were actually pretty good, but the ship launched too early. The original torpedos was crap, but when the humans reverse engineered the klingon photon torpedos (did they? I'm not sure, I dont thnik its explicitly mentioned, but very likely after saving the klingon ship from the gas giant) they were really powerfull. Also the hull plating held up just fine. The andorians had shields but the Xindi kicked their asses just as much as the Enterprise's. I had the impression the human technology was crude but effective. Like having a fine crafted mace or a woodenblugeon to bash someone's head. The wooden blugeon does the job just fine.
Really RedSnoipah you are going to try to make it racist. I am just saying that if the Vulcans hadn't held us back letting us advance as we would have we would have had stronger tech. And no the mirror universe was just flat out wrong.
I am not hating on them. I am just saying human tech was weak for the era they were in yes they were a newer space fairer but the Vulcans also held them back so that they would progress when the Vulcans were ready for us to progress. So yes the Vulcans are partially to blame for how weak our tech was.
(Not a butthurt conservative btw, just an a fan irritated with the in your face political slant. I miss when writers added political messages the way they did in DS9)
You think there would be more advancement with such a hostile feudal system. Conflicts start innovation which means there wasn't much in fighting via ships.
The Klingons did not invent their own tech. There is a murky history where their planet was raided. The raiders left, leaving the tech which was reverse engineered. I think this channel has a video on it. Then there is the whole cast system...
+Revan on the other hand, constant fighting is a drain on your economy. Money gets spent on replacing spacecraft, training troops, and fixing destroyed infrastructure instead of scientific research. war can be a great motivator for tech development, but the funding and the science has to be there to get results.
I'd be interested in your opinion of the Vor'cha class since it seems like a step away from the 'only shoot what's in front of me' style Klingon ships and has been one of my favourites since playing ST:Armada.
TNG established the K'vort class bird of prey as a larger heavy cruiser variant of the bird of prey. As Ds9 progressed it was sort of phased out and replaced en mass by Vor'Cha Attack Cruisers, Neg vars, and even k'tinga D7s. From there we only ever saw the Smaller B'rel class birds of prey. Klingons have the second largest variety of ships next to the Federation.
If you look at the Haynes manual for the bird of pray it has deck plans for the berel and korvt class ships and it’s substantial bigger then the berel class
Another that no to consider about the BoP was that, as seen in Star Trek 4, it could land on a planet under cloak. This would allow Klingon warriors to infiltrate a world and face their opponents in CQC. That could contribute heavily to the design’s appeal.
I think the biggest problem is field of fire. It can fire to a fairly narrow cone. Which means enemies broadside are safe. This is a problem with Romulan vessels as well. They're great for attacking and hit and run tactics, but, in a pitched fleet battle they have serious tactical drawbacks. Whatever you want to say of the Galaxy class Federation ships, they at least had good fields of fire. And the Constitution class could fire broadside as well. So I agree that when used for its intended purpose it was effective, in a fleet action you'd want them prowling the fringes doing shoot and scoot tactics. Not slugging it out in the center.
If the central fusilage was an elongated delta shape it would eliminate the primary weakness of the bird of prey. It would only need two additional adjustments at that point. It would need three dual disruptor turrets two of which would be located on the port and starboard aft sections of the dorsal hull and the third located amidships on the ventral hull. This would virtually eliminate any gaps in the field of Fire.
Fun fact from ST:III. The villains of the film were originally intended to be Romulans, but upper studio management wanted Klingons to be used, since they were better-known enemies. By the time the decision was made, the Romulan ship was already built, and they did not want the expense of replacing it. However, since the original Star Trek: The Original Series (1966) series had already established that the Klingons and Romulans had shared technologies and ships in the past (for exactly the same real-world cost-cutting reasons), the idea of Klingons using a Romulan-style vessel was not a problem. Explains the Bird of Prey name.
Maybe the DIS era ships are Fragmented Era vessels and so when the Empire reunited they began producing ships more in line with the old days (The D7 'Reunified' class, or just D7 class as we know it, and later B'rel Bird of Prey). Just a thought, since if this was some kind of Klingon 'dark age' they'd likely do their best to move past it ASAP. Designating a new ship as a 'True' D7 could be their way of putting a bad part of their past behind them.
The B'rel Bird of Prey is one of my favorite Klingon ships along with the Vo'devwl. I have a Kor class on STO (so not Alpha canon) which I have in the style and materials of the B'rel
Mmm so much salt in this episode, I love it. 1) The BoP as a warship is analogous to a WWII-era submarine -- cloak/dive in preparation to attack soft, fat targets. It's nonsensical that it was used in so many other story roles especially given that Paramount had the D-7/Ktinga model available. 2) You have to just ... it's simply not possible to reconcile DIS Klingons with what came before. It's frustrating and baffling but there it is. DIS (in my view) is in general best thought of as the future of ENT (but not the past of TOS or TNG), but I just have to take a "it doesn't count" to the DIS Klingon aesthetic. It just ... it just doesn't count.
I always thought the bridge placement wasn't a relevant factor given the reliance on Shielding, though I agree, the ship was designed to approach from a vector that offered the greatest likelihood of receiving minimal return fire, and outmanoeuvring opponents to avoid dangerous firing arcs.
In DS9 Way of the Warrior the B'Rel is also seen firing aft photon torpedoes at the Defiant. We also know they have a hollodeck used for weapons training.
Somewhere between a frigate and a sloop of war is how I'd classify it. Not intended to duke it out with a heavier ship, but capable of holding its own for short engagements before retreating.
Well my official Klingon Bird of Prey Owners' Workshop Manual by Haynes says the K'Vort is much bigger than the b'rel...and what is more official than the maintance book? :)
While I like the bird-of-prey, I kinda wish they'd show off the battle crewser ship, 6-7 I think, a little bit more. Especially the updated looks of the "6-7 esc" designs of them in star trek online. Also what was the bird-of-prey-like ship in Into Darkness called?
The first appearance of the 'modern' Bird of Prey was Star Trek III. The ship was designed when Romulans were supposed to be the main antagonists in the film.
I know I'm going to catch tons of flak for this, but I'm genuinely curious as to your thoughts on the Scimitar. Besides the basics of layout, weapon systems, etc but more importantly why more weren't built after the clear demonstration of its abilities, most importantly (in my mind at least) the "perfect cloak" which allowed full scale combat. I've seen theories of lack of materials, it being a Reman "homegrown" design, Romulan self-destructive pride, etc, but I'm curious to see a scholarly approach to it rather than a ad hoc explanation with no sourcing of resources. Also, why did the Romulans need assistance with the evacuation of the home world when they had a fleet and an empire of their own to draw upon? I'm truly yet to find a satisfactory answer for that and would appreciate the assistance.
For me the B'rel class bird of prey was akin to the role of destroyers in the navies of world war 2. They would run at a target, unload a bararge and then get the hell out of there while the heavier ships engaged. The heavier ship in this scenario would be either D7 cruisers or K'tinga. Of course other ships would later take over this role as the K'tinga aged into obscilescence but in Star Trek lore the Klingons had a tradition of using a single ship design for far longer than most other races. The D5 design that the D7 replaced was supposed to be centuries old.
I always liked it. Not only for it's looks, but because of it's small crew compliment. As the Augments, and Kirk and friends proved, all you had to do was kill a few Klingons (LOL) and then you and your small gang of buddies had a perfect pirate ship.
Klingon ships in general seem to rely heavily or exclusively (depending on the class) on forward-facing weaponry. Some sources also give them weak or even non-existent aft shields (varying by ship/captain). While these (and the exposed forward bridge) are design flaws, they make a lot of sense in-universe in the context of overall Klingon culture. The idea is, "Attack head on, don't run away, always be aggressive. Worst case, you die an honorable death in glorious battle!" Flawed ship designs and battle tactics could also help explain how Starfleet even with its usually-not-pure-warship designs was able to match the Klingon Empire in various wars.
I thought it was wrong to call the K'vort class a cruiser, more of a destroyer class especially as D6 and D7's were cruisers. one of my Favourite ships in STO is the B'rell. excellent for hit'n'run
ENT Bird of Prey is 115-145 metres. D-7 is 228 K'T'Inga is 214-240 m plus B'Rel is 110 - 139 metres. And the K'Vort is 350 long, by around 500 m wide (wings flat)
I'm comfortable regarding the K'vort as a visual mistake. The same way minor alien ships get reused or prosthetic slapped on extras in the Delta Quadrant, or a K'tinga shows up on ENT.
The K'vort was a good heavy (atillery) cruiser. It could fire tricobald with its torpedolauncher as well as polaron. used as heavy cruiser behind the battleships (vorcha and neghvar) and supported by a ton of brel that were used as destroyers/fighters... a klingon fleet could be threat. The dominion is not as powerful as you always credit them.
I'd have to take a look, I'm not sure a Vorcha could take a Galaxy - Maybe. I'd have to look at some break downs. I know that Out of universe, the Vorcha and Negh'var were designed to look more 'starfleet' and reflect the klingon-federation alliance..there is no canon for it however.
a standard klingon bird of prey in the TNG era is a U-Boat, in a manner of speaking. like a ww2 u-boat used well and in groups it could be a great force against a foe with a superior flotilla
From what I can tell (And please understand that this is only from Star Trek Online) the Klingon ships in Discovery are mostly from House Mo'Kai, and not necessarily reflective of the KDF and a whole.
By the 24th century the bird of prey design was seriously outgunned take the Galaxy class in comparison depending on where you read The Galaxy class had two torpedo launches in the front one in the back and I had more phaser strips on the ventral hull then the bird of prey had on the entire ship, Hell of a defiant class had more firepower.
6:00 According to your videos the Federation usually sends a behemond capable of glassing the homeworlds of many less advanced species without real opposition to diplomatic missions. It has schools inside and the characters would have a never ending philosophical debate about what they have done. But they can. Maybe the "this bird of prey is for peaceful missions" line was Klingon sarcasm lol
Hmm, having the ability to completely wipe out someone is a great way to get people talking. So why wouldn’t the Federation send a big Galaxy class on a mission for peace talks....as in “you better talk peace or else you get the stick.” It’s actually one of my problems with the Federation. They were tyrants in their own pervasive way. In fact as Picard once said, the bad guy who twirls his mustache is easy to spot, but there are also those who mask their evil under the guise of righteousness (i’m paraphrasing of course).
Great video!! Might want to work on your script.... I think someone is trying to censer you. You started to say something then were bleeped and what you were saying changed. ;) Loved the video and someone beat me to the "how many whales" question. :D
'The klingons lost their damned minds' I kept hoping we'd see Kor pop up THESE ARE RENEGADES OF THE EMPIRE AND ARE CONSIDERED OUTLAW. We will allow your vessel to enter imperial space to persue these rouge elemens... so long as one of our own vessels accompany for observational purposes.'
Hi there....I love this vessel and its indeed a timeless workhorse. Something bothers me. We often see Starfleet crews moking when encountering 70 year old klingon ships ( BOP's or D7's), but they seem to forget that Starfleet has also Kirk-era vessels serving even in front-line battles.....seems paradox....
While Warbirds are a goof in Enterprise in Star Trek 2009 Kelvin timeline it is the description for their equivalent of Klingon battle cruiser. In the original draft of Star Trek 3 the Klingon Bird of Prey was meant to be a stolen Romulan ship by Kruge. Hence the term but we got stuck with it anyway. Oh in Star Trek 3 you can detect it through the cloaking device with the Mark 1 Eyeball as one can see a distortion. In Star Trek 4 it didn't have that problem on Earth.
I'm curious about two things one considering that the constitution class we see in the final episode of Discovery definitely indicates we are not in the prime Universe there why you chose to include the discovery bird of prey. And second considering the stated economic hardships that the destruction of Praxis would cause the Klingon Empire why a scaled up version of the bird of prey as a cost-effective combat ship was not considered as an explanation
The constitution class existed for atleast 10 years, if not more, before the events of discovery. Additionally, CBS - the IP holder - says its canon. I think Praxis makes it even more unlikely they didn't make anything more than B'rels.
But how many whales does it fit?
2 if there using the B'rel class
Depends on the species your looking for. Maybe one blue whale.
This is only true when they have a Plot type A interior space manipulator on board. Alas that was only available on one ship that the Federation renegade James T Kirk stole.
Stole... James T Kirk won that ship fair and square. He did it the Klingon way, by ruthlessly slaughtering the crew.
Too many.
I would like to point out the Klingon idea of the Captain leading his/her troops into battle, hence the bridge being at the front of the ship and the captain's chair being forward-most seat short of helm/navigation. While not the smartest idea, they are a warrior race.
The Bird of Prey was a dagger (a Mek'Leth if you will), very useful in quick jabs from points of advantage that you can recover from. Only a fool *charges* a foe with a dagger.
Thexsoar the Bearded
A fool, or a Da'har master.
but so did his foes
Or someone very desperate.
It's not the best tool for the job. But It's the tool we have.
A Dk'tagh would be a dagger.
A Mek'leth would be a short-sword.
The B'Rel class is useful as a scout, but it also excels at a very particular type of ship to ship combat - Strafe attacks. Using a combination of its high speed, fixed forward firing weapons, and cloaking device, the B'Rel can sneak up on an enemy ship, accelerate, decloak, strafe the target and zoom past it and recloak. We see this be used several times in DS9.
100% agree with the Bird of Prey (B'rel) as a scout / raider only vessel. Thats its best role. Was neat to see in DS9, during the Dominion War, the Wolf Pack style deployment the Klingons used with it's B'rels.
that was pretty cool
I think Sisko and Martok said it best when they described the BoP attacks as Cavalry charges. They are amazing to see swarm an outnumbered opponent. They are also probably cheap and easy to mass produce, which is an easy answer to why the great houses used them so much and why they are used during the latter part of the Dominion war to such an extent.
because even the poorest house can weild a fleet of them.,
They are great for blowing up galaxy class ships who consoles are made of explodium before the shields are raised lol
true
And Oberth Class, ENTIRELY made of Chinese-harvested and molded Explodium.
mikiroony i just notice your comment 😂😂😂😂
Ah, but the Federation's practice of storing any spare fireworks in their bridge consoles is NOTHING compared to the Klingon's apparent surplus of exploding trampolines.
What about Kales?!
As you would expect of a show like DS9, he was never even mentioned.
I love the salty nature of this channel. "And yet I'm the bad guy when I call human tech substandard for the era."
It was substandard though, even in canon Earth was learning from the Vulans who would often withhold tech/information from the humans.
Fancy Teeth we do the same in real life to other nations lol we are the Vulcans lol
I have no feelings on this one way or the other... Get it?... Because I'm Vulcan... I'll let myself out.
Just reroute power from the warp core to the main deflector dish.
Gordon Chin: Why didn't I think of that? I'll never made head engineer.
#BlameVulcanHighCommand
Huh, literally just watched the first Bird of Prey vid, discovered your channel, and when I was done, here is the next video!
I aim to impress..all according to plan!.. or not
The browning .50 cal of Star Trek. Since 1933 there has only been two design changes. I honestly have no doubt this weapon will surpass 100 years of service until we make the leap from projectile weapons or at least cartridges as we know them today.
Steve Pounder
1933? Pft. Take a look at the model 1911 :) pistol. 107 Years old and shows no sign of slowing down, and selling better than ever, despite over a century of non stop production. The only thing with a longer service life is the Brown Bess Musket, and I think it’s record will be broken.
I suspect we will be seeing the same thing happen with the AR-15/M-16 family, I see those in service well into the 22nd century.
cplinstructor I chose the M2 due to the fact it’s still in active service but you’re correct about the 1911. I believe the same with the M16 family.
Steve Pounder
It depends on how you define active service. The 1911 remains in service in various foreign militaries, and our own never completely stopped using it, though that use is limited to selectability by special forces. It also remains in use by many law enforcement agencies. In civilian use it never stopped being popular.
Good vid. Loved the snarky commentary. I can't wait for a look at the Jenolan Dyson Sphere from Relics. And how the UFP never speaks of it again. Or of how they discovered immortality through transporter diagnostic loops
Chang's Prototype bird of prey. Overall the bird of prey is a solid ship for its use.
Wolfpack tactics in pairs of 3 - hit and run like LoreReloaded said. Or also support Klingon Cruisers maybe.
TheGamersEdgeHD
Given their Viking influences, hit and run tactics would make the most sense.
Also it's cheap and can be made in large numbers
I have one point about the size... in ST4:tVH we get this really good shot of the BoP hovering above a fishing vessel. We can know how big the fishing vessel is so we can extrapolate. We know how large a Galaxy Class star ship is and we can use the torpedos fired by the Enterprise in "Yesterday's Enterprise" to some what gauge an approximation to the Alternate Timeline BoP. Also, we have footage of the Birds of Prey around DS9, along with footage of other vessels docked.
In the end, Birds of Prey in the movies all seem comparable to the Defiant Class, with the ones from TNG era seem to range from that size to the size of the Saucer Section of the Galaxy Class.
Ex Astris Scientia has loads of pictures from all the film appearances, including that one. It looks the biggest in that pic, but the smallest when landed in that film.
Hands down one of my favorite ship types to command in Star Trek Online. I'd love to see a video on the various cruisers of the Klingon empire, like the Vor'cha and Negh'var. c:
Can we petition to have Star Trek: Discovery removed from alpha canon?
I intend to do them all and even go into STO
Awesome! I look forward to you getting around to that.
Don’t forget to have “Picard” on that list to remove!
@@LoreReloaded What about Kales?!
As you would expect of a show like DS9, he was never even mentioned.
@@slevinchannel7589 Kales? Are you talking about Kahless?
Early Bird was actually a more effective design than it’s eventual successor. It actually had near 360 firing arc with that ventral mounted canon.
I think it at least deserves a name.
Yea..I should have talked on that..that's a good point
I suppose the design and armament of the 22nd century BoP makes sense, compared to the later versions, since it doesn't have a cloaking device like later ships did. Where a B'rel class could pop out of cloak, hit a target and disappear again the early BoP needed to rely on shields and weapons to survive.
I read about the ds9 episode way of the warrior earlier today. apparently, for this episode, they'd been tasked with redesigning several Klingon ships but due to budgetary constraints the designs weren't used in ds9 and ended up being used in enterprise instead which would explain why this seemed to fix some of the issues of the tng/ds9 bird of prey.
I think the Bird-of-Prey is my favorite ship design in all Star Trek media, right alongside the Defiant-class. And they both suffered from the same design problems: their sizes were left deliberately ambiguous. I understand why they did that, though. They needed some flexibility to make the ships larger or smaller depending on the challenges they faced. Compared to other vessels the BOP would sometimes be so small that it was comically outmatched. Hard to look like a credible threat under those circumstances but if they ever gave definitive size dimensions in alpha canon then they would have to stick to them. By leaving those details largely vague the ship could be whatever size they needed for the scene.
Well when small it's good. Never liked the larger version. Plus they could have improved it with the ability to carry two smaller craft for raider runs.
Phasers! God damn I'm glad I haven't seen Discovery. (Cuddles close to old VHS recorded tapes of STNG.)
TNG is free on Amazon. Amazon would have to pay me to watch Discovery.
Still the best Trek channel out here!
I disagree, to me that title goes to trekyards.
This one is fine though
i love your channel. its real has verifiable information and its Star trek woooohoooooooo
I love how you start to go off into grievances and have to edit it. xD
(Casual watcher) Dont we see different bird of prey variants in Ds9 multiple times? Its likely that weaker/smaller "houses" get the older models and are forced to make due while those above get the newer variants that could easily have a different size/setup with the more advanced tech
Br'el and K'Vort are different sizes and lilkely a limited run but a house or two. the main crusier was the Ktinga till the Vorcha and all Klingon ships have the Bridge in front.
I think the Bird of Prey is comparable to a WWII Destroyer. Its a small fighting ship that works best when its using its superior speed and maneuverability in squadrons taking out larger capital vessels. Its pretty much the Klingon version of the Defiant.
that seems fair.
This website appears to have the most accurate and consistent info on Star Trek starships. Perhaps reference this in the future. KVort class cruisers are bigger than BoP and more powerful.
www.ditl.org/
PS. Agreed with you on how feminism is ruining STD. It's so forced an contrived and should be insulting to anyone that truly believes in equality for all and the spirit of Star Trek.
I'm sure I've mentioned Ex Astris Scientia before. Very high quality, like Memory Alpha. The Daystrom Institute Technical Library site is nearly as good.
A fairly good size comparison of the two Bird Of Prey can actually be found. In a fair few video sequences in Deep Space Nine you see the Defiant and several B'rel class ships flying side by side(such as Gul Dukut's captured Bird of Prey and Martok's I.K.S. Rotarran). As such the B'rel can be considered close to the size of a Federation Defiant class ship or a Dominion Jem'hadar Attack ship.
Also, if you watch some video sequences of the 'Star Trek: Elite Force' video game, in one part you will see a makeshift space station built by the races trapped like you are in the game. It is made out of a Maelon Garbarge Scowl, a Mirror Universe Terran Empire Constitution class ship and a Klingon K'Vort class Bird of Prey. With them being so close together you can see the K'Vort class is about the same size of a ToS Constitution Class Starship.
deep space nine was /amazingly/ bad about doing sizes accurately. The inaccurately present the size of the defiant, galaxy class ships, and most alien ships for the sake of it looking good on tv.
Ex Astris Scientia generally has the most accurate size data. Rick Sternbach updates the length from 110 m to 139 m for the Hayes Bird of Prey Manual though.
I definitely think the multiple size thing A is redickulus and B correct
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well informatively explained and executed in every detail and every shape way and form possibly provided indeed, On about the Klingon birds of prey and all their various designs and sizes and their roles with in the Empire. And the one in Discovery as far as I'm concerned doesn't belong it belongs in some alternate universe all of its own period!.
Always a pleasure to watch your vids
glad you enjoyed
Lore Reloaded
Still never got an answer as to if the Eagle Moss Oberth explodes upon opening of the packaging.
Ex Astris Scientia "ecks ah'strees skee'entee'ah"
Another great video.
I've incorporated the basic design into the G.L.L Empire's fleet. The ships are used as scouts and patrol ships. Standard light patrol being 1-2 ships depending on the sector. Larger ones with 4-6 ships supported by 1-3 Sagittarius class destroyers with either an Orion class battle cruiser or Arcadia class heavy cruiser as flag ship.
Another use is as a training ships to be used on hunts for the blooding of young Archeronians. With the addition of 2 large pods under the wings it is also used for deployment of troops, tanks, apcs, and combat bikes.
I've heard that the Klingon ships from Discovery are not just far older than the main Klingon ships that we normally see, but that they actually used parts/technology from captured Hur'q vessels from a thousand years prior.
Star trek: game of houses.
Murderous Housewives of Kronos.
Keeping up with the Duras.
Teen Mom: Klingon Warrior Edition
Star trek: discovery: Feminists of the future.
Duras, warrior princess.
Your video made me laugh so hard I spit soda out my nose watching it. The stuff about discovery cracked me up. I am so glad I'm a patreon subscriber and that I can help you make more of this content. Keep up the great work.
always happy to impress
Do a video on the Klingon cast system. Granted, there is not a whole lot to go on.
Kill till your the leader. Then do everything you can, not to be killed in return. Easy as cake.
@@europademon Sounds better than our government.😂😂😂
Another great vid, do you use or consider STO a source for ship information? I know the game is not considered alpha cannon but it seems pretty darn close in most aspects.
I don't, though I have an entire video series dedicated to STO
As a scout and/or a raider, it an excellent ship, as a cruiser, it just sucks in that role. But she is a beautiful looking ship for what it is. A hit and run raider, that is deadly in "wolf packs". As solo role, scout and recon.
I always thought the Bird Of Prey is best as a scout and for any in-atmosphere military operations.
It would be great to insert and extract troops when their enemy either used some sort of jamming technology or the environment made mass beaming a problem.
Could be used as close air support missions and so fourth. In the DS9 episode the Siege of AR-558 it would have been great to have a Klingon bird of Prey attached to a small battle group lend close fire missions to the Star Fleet personnel holding their position.
But that didn't happen cause why use military tactics when you can send only one ship to such a hostile military combat zone.
To me the Bird of Prey is like a A-10 warthog, it's outdated and old but if the writters had used it correctly it could have been said that the Bird of Prey stuck around because it was so good at the role it was given.
It's design clearly gives it an edge in atmospheric flight. I just wish they exploited that more
Well seeing it has larger kin the smaller ones would indeed be great for such tactics.
It's a shame the Federation did not embrace this design. It clearly is a capable, competent strike ship whose abilities are woefully understated. A Federation version of this ship would have had the benefit of their advanced computer and warp technology. Also a robust armored hull similar to USS Defiant which can take tremendous damage and still keep fighting. This Klingon/Federation hybrid ship would have been perfect against the Borg with cloaked, high sublight speed tactics and quantum torpedoes dealing a massive and fatal blow to all but the dreaded Borg Tactical Cube. A true tribute to the masterful Art of War. Tsung Tzu would have been pleased with this ship.
I was laughing at this the whole time
STD is ships are not canon! This video is just more proof of it. What type of absurdity would one have to believe to think they went from the ENT era Bird of Prey to the STD delusion then back to the TOS movies Birds of Prey. STD's ending could conceivably be a fictionalized alternate history novel written by the Voyager Doctor and Tom Paris 20 years after VOY's return. It's still canon but we don't know about it until the final season, likely season 2.
I know I'm grasping at straws but honestly can you give me a better reason for radical design change only to change back, to say nothing of the physical redesign of the Klingons?
a temporal cold war
It is called a Retcon it happens in fictional universes all the time. Specially when timetravel is involved. i'm hoping it is prime universe adjacent like the Kelvin is. Where at some point it was the prime universe but something happened to alter the events. As Rnukes stated temporal cold war. For all we know the timeline was altered in Enterprise. As much as I dislike it we can't argue with Canon. We as fans don't get to make up the rules we just get to grumble about it.
i wish they would make a show about the temporal cold war each episode being in a different era. fixing plot holes tying up lose end. and just be a love letter to fans. maybe explore new things
I disagree... when a corporation becomes destructive to its cinematic universe canon it is the right of the fans to alter or abolish it!
I do agree that human tech was inferior for that time. We can thank the vulcans for holding us back for that
Well its interesting. The phasers were actually pretty good, but the ship launched too early. The original torpedos was crap, but when the humans reverse engineered the klingon photon torpedos (did they? I'm not sure, I dont thnik its explicitly mentioned, but very likely after saving the klingon ship from the gas giant) they were really powerfull.
Also the hull plating held up just fine. The andorians had shields but the Xindi kicked their asses just as much as the Enterprise's.
I had the impression the human technology was crude but effective. Like having a fine crafted mace or a woodenblugeon to bash someone's head. The wooden blugeon does the job just fine.
Well the fact that the Vulcans were holding the earth back. Letting us advance on the schedule that they wanted.
Really RedSnoipah you are going to try to make it racist. I am just saying that if the Vulcans hadn't held us back letting us advance as we would have we would have had stronger tech. And no the mirror universe was just flat out wrong.
I am not hating on them. I am just saying human tech was weak for the era they were in yes they were a newer space fairer but the Vulcans also held them back so that they would progress when the Vulcans were ready for us to progress. So yes the Vulcans are partially to blame for how weak our tech was.
Discovery just gets more and more painful to acknowledge, no?
I'm trying...that's why so many edits!
Micah Leith
It's just like Disney' s new SW trilogy. We feel the same pain.
Jek_si
Hey, at least the villains in star wars arent supposed to represent the white right.
Oh wait....
(Not a butthurt conservative btw, just an a fan irritated with the in your face political slant. I miss when writers added political messages the way they did in DS9)
Discovery _is_ adding political messages, just not via the story line...
You think there would be more advancement with such a hostile feudal system. Conflicts start innovation which means there wasn't much in fighting via ships.
The Klingons did not invent their own tech. There is a murky history where their planet was raided. The raiders left, leaving the tech which was reverse engineered. I think this channel has a video on it. Then there is the whole cast system...
Feudal systems do not incentivise having an intellectual class, because they might overthrow the feudal leaders.
ReddwarfIV you would think with so much in fighting most families would do what they could to strengthen their houses including research in technology
+Revan on the other hand, constant fighting is a drain on your economy. Money gets spent on replacing spacecraft, training troops, and fixing destroyed infrastructure instead of scientific research. war can be a great motivator for tech development, but the funding and the science has to be there to get results.
Wars improve tech, constant warfare not so much.
I'd be interested in your opinion of the Vor'cha class since it seems like a step away from the 'only shoot what's in front of me' style Klingon ships and has been one of my favourites since playing ST:Armada.
TNG established the K'vort class bird of prey as a larger heavy cruiser variant of the bird of prey.
As Ds9 progressed it was sort of phased out and replaced en mass by Vor'Cha Attack Cruisers, Neg vars, and even k'tinga D7s.
From there we only ever saw the Smaller B'rel class birds of prey.
Klingons have the second largest variety of ships next to the Federation.
If you look at the Haynes manual for the bird of pray it has deck plans for the berel and korvt class ships and it’s substantial bigger then the berel class
Another that no to consider about the BoP was that, as seen in Star Trek 4, it could land on a planet under cloak. This would allow Klingon warriors to infiltrate a world and face their opponents in CQC. That could contribute heavily to the design’s appeal.
I think the biggest problem is field of fire. It can fire to a fairly narrow cone. Which means enemies broadside are safe. This is a problem with Romulan vessels as well. They're great for attacking and hit and run tactics, but, in a pitched fleet battle they have serious tactical drawbacks.
Whatever you want to say of the Galaxy class Federation ships, they at least had good fields of fire. And the Constitution class could fire broadside as well. So I agree that when used for its intended purpose it was effective, in a fleet action you'd want them prowling the fringes doing shoot and scoot tactics. Not slugging it out in the center.
If the central fusilage was an elongated delta shape it would eliminate the primary weakness of the bird of prey. It would only need two additional adjustments at that point. It would need three dual disruptor turrets two of which would be located on the port and starboard aft sections of the dorsal hull and the third located amidships on the ventral hull. This would virtually eliminate any gaps in the field of Fire.
Fun fact from ST:III. The villains of the film were originally intended to be Romulans, but upper studio management wanted Klingons to be used, since they were better-known enemies. By the time the decision was made, the Romulan ship was already built, and they did not want the expense of replacing it. However, since the original Star Trek: The Original Series (1966) series had already established that the Klingons and Romulans had shared technologies and ships in the past (for exactly the same real-world cost-cutting reasons), the idea of Klingons using a Romulan-style vessel was not a problem. Explains the Bird of Prey name.
Maybe the DIS era ships are Fragmented Era vessels and so when the Empire reunited they began producing ships more in line with the old days (The D7 'Reunified' class, or just D7 class as we know it, and later B'rel Bird of Prey). Just a thought, since if this was some kind of Klingon 'dark age' they'd likely do their best to move past it ASAP. Designating a new ship as a 'True' D7 could be their way of putting a bad part of their past behind them.
I really like the Early Klingon Bird of Prey even thought it is not as powerful as later Klingon Bird's of Prey designs!
The B'rel Bird of Prey is one of my favorite Klingon ships along with the Vo'devwl. I have a Kor class on STO (so not Alpha canon) which I have in the style and materials of the B'rel
Giving all the thumbs up for calling out CBS BS
Entertaining and Educational Enjoyed! 💯
Mmm so much salt in this episode, I love it.
1) The BoP as a warship is analogous to a WWII-era submarine -- cloak/dive in preparation to attack soft, fat targets. It's nonsensical that it was used in so many other story roles especially given that Paramount had the D-7/Ktinga model available.
2) You have to just ... it's simply not possible to reconcile DIS Klingons with what came before. It's frustrating and baffling but there it is. DIS (in my view) is in general best thought of as the future of ENT (but not the past of TOS or TNG), but I just have to take a "it doesn't count" to the DIS Klingon aesthetic. It just ... it just doesn't count.
I cant giva this episode enough thumbs up
I always thought the bridge placement wasn't a relevant factor given the reliance on Shielding, though I agree, the ship was designed to approach from a vector that offered the greatest likelihood of receiving minimal return fire, and outmanoeuvring opponents to avoid dangerous firing arcs.
In DS9 Way of the Warrior the B'Rel is also seen firing aft photon torpedoes at the Defiant. We also know they have a hollodeck used for weapons training.
Its fits best as a corvette class ship aka a small escort/war ship
the B'rel has always struck me as a gunboat
Somewhere between a frigate and a sloop of war is how I'd classify it. Not intended to duke it out with a heavier ship, but capable of holding its own for short engagements before retreating.
Well my official Klingon Bird of Prey Owners' Workshop Manual by Haynes says the K'Vort is much bigger than the b'rel...and what is more official than the maintance book? :)
While I like the bird-of-prey, I kinda wish they'd show off the battle crewser ship, 6-7 I think, a little bit more. Especially the updated looks of the "6-7 esc" designs of them in star trek online.
Also what was the bird-of-prey-like ship in Into Darkness called?
It was a D-4 scout, supposedly. More of a patrol fighter really. D-prefixes should be for cruisers or destroyers.
This reminds me why I subbed in the first place. I love the snark
The first appearance of the 'modern' Bird of Prey was Star Trek III. The ship was designed when Romulans were supposed to be the main antagonists in the film.
I really do live the whole “dis CBS then start over” thing. Hilarious, yet, not wrong.
My favorite ship. I look at this ship as a space version of a submarine. Works for me.
I know I'm going to catch tons of flak for this, but I'm genuinely curious as to your thoughts on the Scimitar. Besides the basics of layout, weapon systems, etc but more importantly why more weren't built after the clear demonstration of its abilities, most importantly (in my mind at least) the "perfect cloak" which allowed full scale combat. I've seen theories of lack of materials, it being a Reman "homegrown" design, Romulan self-destructive pride, etc, but I'm curious to see a scholarly approach to it rather than a ad hoc explanation with no sourcing of resources.
Also, why did the Romulans need assistance with the evacuation of the home world when they had a fleet and an empire of their own to draw upon? I'm truly yet to find a satisfactory answer for that and would appreciate the assistance.
For me the B'rel class bird of prey was akin to the role of destroyers in the navies of world war 2. They would run at a target, unload a bararge and then get the hell out of there while the heavier ships engaged. The heavier ship in this scenario would be either D7 cruisers or K'tinga. Of course other ships would later take over this role as the K'tinga aged into obscilescence but in Star Trek lore the Klingons had a tradition of using a single ship design for far longer than most other races. The D5 design that the D7 replaced was supposed to be centuries old.
I always liked it. Not only for it's looks, but because of it's small crew compliment. As the Augments, and Kirk and friends proved, all you had to do was kill a few Klingons (LOL) and then you and your small gang of buddies had a perfect pirate ship.
As fans we should just all agree that STD is not canon no matter what CBS says. If we say it's not canon then it's not canon.
I somehow can't find the Borg aux(?) Ship starship lore video in the playlist. Just noting.
Klingon ships in general seem to rely heavily or exclusively (depending on the class) on forward-facing weaponry. Some sources also give them weak or even non-existent aft shields (varying by ship/captain). While these (and the exposed forward bridge) are design flaws, they make a lot of sense in-universe in the context of overall Klingon culture. The idea is, "Attack head on, don't run away, always be aggressive. Worst case, you die an honorable death in glorious battle!"
Flawed ship designs and battle tactics could also help explain how Starfleet even with its usually-not-pure-warship designs was able to match the Klingon Empire in various wars.
that's fair
The wungs aside, the burd of prey is one of the most realistic consistent ships in star trek, looking at it from an engineering point of view.
I thought it was wrong to call the K'vort class a cruiser, more of a destroyer class especially as D6 and D7's were cruisers. one of my Favourite ships in STO is the B'rell. excellent for hit'n'run
that seems fair
the K'Vort is nearly the same size as a D-7 without wing span.
It's about 350 metre long, in Rick Sternbach's Hayes Manual to the Bird of Prey. I guess it's rated according to the REALLY big disruptors?
ENT Bird of Prey is 115-145 metres.
D-7 is 228
K'T'Inga is 214-240 m plus
B'Rel is 110 - 139 metres.
And the K'Vort is 350 long, by around 500 m wide (wings flat)
I'm comfortable regarding the K'vort as a visual mistake. The same way minor alien ships get reused or prosthetic slapped on extras in the Delta Quadrant, or a K'tinga shows up on ENT.
I like the K'vort over all..
The Early Bird of Prey gets the worm . . . of prey.
enterprise era was the best visually in my opinion as it purposely linked to the 'future' designs
I believe that the Bird of Prey makes a great destroyer or frigate, to fill the role of independent scouting, commerce protection, or raiding.
The K'vort was a good heavy (atillery) cruiser. It could fire tricobald with its torpedolauncher as well as polaron. used as heavy cruiser behind the battleships (vorcha and neghvar) and supported by a ton of brel that were used as destroyers/fighters... a klingon fleet could be threat. The dominion is not as powerful as you always credit them.
some say a vorcha has similar firepower to a galaxy except more combat oriented hence smaller size and a pair of warp naccelle... what do you say?
I'd have to take a look, I'm not sure a Vorcha could take a Galaxy - Maybe. I'd have to look at some break downs. I know that Out of universe, the Vorcha and Negh'var were designed to look more 'starfleet' and reflect the klingon-federation alliance..there is no canon for it however.
Maybe just behind an Ambassador-class?
a standard klingon bird of prey in the TNG era is a U-Boat, in a manner of speaking. like a ww2 u-boat used well and in groups it could be a great force against a foe with a superior flotilla
From what I can tell (And please understand that this is only from Star Trek Online) the Klingon ships in Discovery are mostly from House Mo'Kai, and not necessarily reflective of the KDF and a whole.
This reminds me of Axanar the fan series, what could have been.
I enjoyed prelude.
I love this video and your other video on this :-)
glad you enjoyed
Good points. I don't agree with you on some of it, but you still make good points.
But how does it go to warp w/o the nacelles that all other klingon (and all other races w/ warp drive, actually) ships have?
The nacelles are the attached to the guns..
Well, of _course_ it's never been seen before: the ship being _invisible_ is the whole point.
Dun dun DUUUUN
By the 24th century the bird of prey design was seriously outgunned take the Galaxy class in comparison depending on where you read The Galaxy class had two torpedo launches in the front one in the back and I had more phaser strips on the ventral hull then the bird of prey had on the entire ship, Hell of a defiant class had more firepower.
i refuse to accept discovery as cannon. its another universe for me
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According to your videos the Federation usually sends a behemond capable of glassing the homeworlds of many less advanced species without real opposition to diplomatic missions. It has schools inside and the characters would have a never ending philosophical debate about what they have done. But they can.
Maybe the "this bird of prey is for peaceful missions" line was Klingon sarcasm lol
hah, maybe
Hmm, having the ability to completely wipe out someone is a great way to get people talking. So why wouldn’t the Federation send a big Galaxy class on a mission for peace talks....as in “you better talk peace or else you get the stick.” It’s actually one of my problems with the Federation. They were tyrants in their own pervasive way. In fact as Picard once said, the bad guy who twirls his mustache is easy to spot, but there are also those who mask their evil under the guise of righteousness (i’m paraphrasing of course).
Why no convo of Genetal Martokes Rotron
crew needs for the bird of prey looks small so the klingon can crew more ships to look stronger and overcomite
The Klingon Bird of Prey from Star Trek III through DS9 is my favorite ship in all of Scifi.
Great video!! Might want to work on your script.... I think someone is trying to censer you. You started to say something then were bleeped and what you were saying changed. ;) Loved the video and someone beat me to the "how many whales" question. :D
waaaay ahead of you
Good man ;)
'The klingons lost their damned minds'
I kept hoping we'd see Kor pop up THESE ARE RENEGADES OF THE EMPIRE AND ARE CONSIDERED OUTLAW. We will allow your vessel to enter imperial space to persue these rouge elemens... so long as one of our own vessels accompany for observational purposes.'
Hi there....I love this vessel and its indeed a timeless workhorse. Something bothers me. We often see Starfleet crews moking when encountering 70 year old klingon ships ( BOP's or D7's), but they seem to forget that Starfleet has also Kirk-era vessels serving even in front-line battles.....seems paradox....
While Warbirds are a goof in Enterprise in Star Trek 2009 Kelvin timeline it is the description for their equivalent of Klingon battle cruiser.
In the original draft of Star Trek 3 the Klingon Bird of Prey was meant to be a stolen Romulan ship by Kruge. Hence the term but we got stuck with it anyway.
Oh in Star Trek 3 you can detect it through the cloaking device with the Mark 1 Eyeball as one can see a distortion. In Star Trek 4 it didn't have that problem on Earth.
'"Yes, my ship is one of peace. That is why the wings are literally weapons."
hahahah, good point.
I'm curious about two things one considering that the constitution class we see in the final episode of Discovery definitely indicates we are not in the prime Universe there why you chose to include the discovery bird of prey. And second considering the stated economic hardships that the destruction of Praxis would cause the Klingon Empire why a scaled up version of the bird of prey as a cost-effective combat ship was not considered as an explanation
The constitution class existed for atleast 10 years, if not more, before the events of discovery. Additionally, CBS - the IP holder - says its canon. I think Praxis makes it even more unlikely they didn't make anything more than B'rels.