Berkley Vanish vs Seaguar Blue Label (Fishing Line Experiment)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ส.ค. 2024
- In what could be the most shocking results yet, I put Berkley Vanish up against the current Champion Seaguar Blue Label in this latest fishing line experiment...
To see the full blog on this test, click here now: www.saltstrong...
In this fishing line test, I wanted to see which fluorocarbon fishing line was more abrasion resistant.
Why?
Because if you're anything like me, not only do you fish around structure quite a bit, but you're also hunting down snook (and largemouth bass) who have very abrasive lips.
As you'll see in this Berkley Vanish vs Seaguar Blue Label line test, even though Berkley is about 1/10 the cost of Seaguar (and it's a bit thinner in diameter), it actually tends to be more abrasion resistant!
Shocked the heck out of us (and we tested this over and over again).
What are your thoughts?
Have you seen similar or different results?
Any other fluorocarbon fishing leaders you want us to test?
Let us know in the comments.
And make sure to check out the full post here: www.saltstrong...
Your test confirmed what I thought from years ago fishing out of San Diego tuna fishing. I used the Berkley Vanish because of the price, then I noticed I wasn't breaking off fish like many others did. Bluefin and yellowfin tuna have extremely abrasive mouths, very tough on the lines. I landed many fish when other were loosing fish due to leader failure. Because it's not very expensive, many pass it right by.
I’ve used Vanish almost exclusively and only recently started buying Seaguar and Yo Zuri. But, did realize that my Vanish did just well and saved me more money. With this example I’m gonna stick with my oldie trusty Vanish.
Good test for abrasion...
How about knot strength?
Straight slow pull line strength?
Quick pull / jerk line strength?
Castability / memory?
I have been using vanish as leader for a year since I am poor, but have had no issues. I think it's great line.
So have I man 👌
I just bought vanish last week and absolutely love it. 6 and 10lbs.
Don't let the rich get you down.....their problems are much worse.....BBQing with lucifer type worse.
@@rickiejames7935 what the... what the heck are you even talking about?
@@dominiccianciola2115 He's just comparing rich to poor.. Lucifer!! Devil..BBQing ..Hot!! Get it now ?...maybe not..
Been looking for this exact comparison video, thanks. You’ve answered my question.
Love Berkley Vanish for Freshwater, been using it for years- Zero Issues!!
Bassbruiser71 same here man it was the first floro I used and I’ve had no issues
I have been using Vanish for about 11 years, I raved about it always referring friends and family to it. Now this season something has changed I have purchased 5 spools of vanish and have re-spooled all of my rod and reels (6 Quantum baitcasters) multiple times.
That being said I keep my rods in rod Sox in the rod locker of my bass boat.the line is not exposed to the elements when I’m not fishing.
I started experiencing line snaps on hook sets many on fresh ties. I was really hoping this video would be a few years old but it’s pretty current. So I found this video hoping to find something to go to besides vanish. I don’t think it’s coincidence that from 5 spools I keep getting the same result of broken lines. Also not only has this been happening to me but a long time friend of mine called me up describing the exact same occurrences. I guess I will look at line other than seaguar or vanish. Last thing this comment may appear to be angry but it isn’t I’m simply putting out there my experience as of late. Thanks for the video.
been using vanish for years bass fishing. Never had issues with it!
Went bass fishing last week using the seaguard invisix had my line broke 3 times by 4lb fish and the line was brand new. I respolled with 12 lb vanish and caught 2 over 6 lbs with no problem at all.
Marketing strategy is something we ALL need to remember. Real world testing is the ONLY test that counts. Clearly the Vanish is the way to go...just because it is so much less expensive.
How many times do people ask " what is the best " rod , reel , line etc ..it is truly and honestly a question with many answers depending on your application, how much you can afford & a few other factors.
I have done a good amount of research into what makes people buy a certain brand of rods , reels , line , lures , electronics and other fishing related items..even boats.
I discovered that many follow what the "other guys" are doing.
When I inquired as to why ea person I spoke to ..anglers from all over the East coast , Salt & fresh , most said that there rods were the best they had ever fished , yet almost all of them were fishing different brands on the same water .
When asked about there choice of reels ..the most common answer was " this thing is great , I love it ..so smooth" " it's a beautiful reel"
Salt guys had $$$ Van Stahl reels , Shimano , Penn , Daiwa .. Freshwater guys had (fly) Ross , Orvis , Bauer , Lamson , Sci angler Spinning and conventional had Shimano ,Abu garcia , daiwa , and a host of others from just about evdry source ..bait shops , walmart , Cabella pro shops ,but no matter the price or were they were purchased ...everyone said , "this is the BEST reel..i love it , really dependable"
So when we ask " what's the best .."
It is just an opinion..formulated from one's real world experiences or an opinion based on what someone was told that lead to the purchase ..
Many people said there brand of choice was best and followex that up with " but I haven't had a chance to try it out yet "
educate YOURSELF with real world results from peoe that have acting used the exact item you are considering ..some brands make fantastic gear as well as absolute junk .
Tight lines !
I love the vanish leader material once I was bottom fishing and caught a small grunt and a 6ft lemon shark which has sandpaper-like skin ate the grunt and with 20 lb vanish leader and a Eagle Claw1/0 circle hook I manage to get it to the boat 3 times before the leader broke by then it was a caught fish.
As always keep up the good work and keep the comparison videos coming
the invisibility is a key factor for a fluoro leader, also how the leader affect the lure action
This is interesting but I find that most of the Seaguar products I’ve used have far less memory than the vanish. If you can blow up a baitcaster like I can being able to pick out the birds nest is a very important part of it. I usually use sun line sniper and love it but have used vanish in a pinch. Anyways great work I do like the videos.
Thanks for making time to leave the nice comment Michael!
Can you do a braided line abrasion test between different brands?
Sure, but it has been shocking how quickly the braid fails when rubbed against rough surfaces... here's the first test we did on it: www.saltstrong.com/articles/braid-vs-mono-abrasion-strength-experiment/
Salt Strong I was talking about braid vs braid not braid vs mono or fluro
Understood... just wanted to share an example of how much faster the braids will be breaking:)
I've used Vanish for years and it has performed excellent for me over the years.
Thanks for sharing!
Have you check their each diameter? I believe there are different production standard (like JAS) between U.S.A & JAPAN even though they are same LB tested...
Great to know, I've used Vanish for about 7 years and have Seagaur in the Man cave.
Seaguar sells the blue label based on being a little softer for better knots. I would expect it is a little less abrasions resistant based on being a little softer. Try red label vs. vanish. I fish Vanish almost exclusively for my leader, but most of my breaks have eventually been at a knot, but it takes a lot of abuse to get to that point.
Matt Wolkenberg agree I tried vanish a couple times and the knot strength is the downside of that line and IMO.
Frankie J I've gone back to mono, I find FC brittle on the knot too
We tested Blue Label vs. Red Label, and the Blue Label proved to be more abrasion resistant. Here's a link to the test: www.saltstrong.com/articles/seaguar-leader-line-abrasion-test/
Thanks for the iinfo. Always like saving some money without giving up performance.
I've been using the Berkley Vanish with the little trick from Peter Deeks and his live bait course. No breakoffs so far against bigger fish than I caught before the course.
I would like to see if there is a difference in the breaking strength of each line without abrasion?
That's super surprising. I'll try the vanish out.
I have a spool of vanish in my hand now its seem crazy tough but in years past i stopped using it because of breakoffs losing some my best crankbaits. Wondering if its low expensive do to lack of consistancy. 🤔🤷
I've used Seaguar like on my spinning rod once and I must say that it's not as limp or castable as other lines. I switched out and put my Vanish line. Even though it was the same lb. test line as Seaguar.
Best TH-cam video ever. I bought Vanish for leaders this year. lol
Thanks Thomas! Here's a link to some more line tests in case interested: www.saltstrong.com/article_categories/fishing-lines/
For some reason when I tie a light braid to my 50lb Berkley Vanish with an FG knot, or tie the leader to a lure, the fluoro gets a little shredded from my hands cinching it down. I've never had that happen with any line expect the Vanish. It doesn't bring the strength of the line down much, but instead allows the fish to see it.
Seaguar Premier is there “top notch” fluoro line. Test that one out.
We just got a spool of that recently... test coming soon.
Is it even more expensive?
Yes
Blue label is more abrasion resistance than the premier. Blue label was made for bottom fishing.
Call seaguar and they will tell you
If I'm not mistaken, the Seaguar is a "leader material" whereas the Vanish your using is fishing line. Vanish does make a "leader material" (small spools) that is considerably more expensive than the fishing line. Not really sure what the difference is. Maybe you should test those.
He is saying the Berkley line stands up well to much more expensive "leader material". While both are fluorocarbon line, leader spools are shorter and much more expensive than a spool of line because they are "supposed" to be higher quality controlled runs with less variance allowed end to end. But I suspect this is not often not the case and the average fisherman has no way to tell the difference.
I agree toho28
Comparing Vanish line to Vanish leader is a great suggestion. Meanwhile, I went with the logic that leader would be better than line, ignoring price. From Cabela's in Canada, I've bought Vanish "leader material" (small spools). Price per yard is less than other brands there of "leader material" (small spools) such as MAXIMA.
"I'm gonna switch the sides of the line and repeat the test so we know it was conclusive..." *Proceeds to then literally change the test* .... Me: ... *Facepalms audibly*
These lines were tested both ways on both sides, and the results were to the same winner every time (I just thought it would make for a very boring video to show all of them).
I switched over to Seaguar from Vanish this year due to too many break offs. With Seaguar I haven't had any issues yet. It is noticeably thicker in diameter but it is easier to tie knots with.
That's what I found too. Upon cinching up any knot, the Vanish seemed to abraid itself; of course I moisten the line prior to cinching.
Great video!
Should do vanish vs strike king line
I believe, the vanish is not a leader line, thats why it is so cheap. On the other hand I do not know what the differences between leader and spool line. As I remember, the shock resistance and stretching ratio may differ. The test may should be made vanish vs invizx, tatsu, abrazx. It could be better to do shock test :) thanks for your all reports they all really helps.
Here is a test between the Vanish "leader" line vs. the Vanish main line in case you haven't yet seen it: www.saltstrong.com/articles/berkley-vanish-leader-vs-mainline-abrasion-knot-strength/
When it comes to fishing tackle, everything looks like marketing stuff. I really appreciate your works, thank you so much.
Please do a video on how to keep fish on the hook when using finesse techniques
Will doGreat question! Make sure to ask this over on the actual blog or in the Community (www.saltstrong.com/) where the coaches spend their time. The blog can be found here:
www.saltstrong.com/articles/berkley-vanish-vs-seaguar-blue-label/
> Any other fluorocarbon fishing leaders you want us to test?
Yes, Sunline Siglon FC and Sunline V Hard, please. I'm not sure if you can easily buy them in the US though, but they are very popular here in Europe.
...a comparison against a good mono line would be nice as well.
btw, thanks to your tests, I personally decided against buying another spool of FC for my new northern pike jerkbait setup and bought a much less expensive 1.0 mm mono to use for leaders. 1.0 mm FC is ridiculously expensive and seems pointless except for allegedly making less glare under water. Will see how the mono performs.
__s I've gone back to clear mono, try the Maxima clear 100m spools it is excellent
__s sunline is very popular in Australia and South Africa
there's not much choice for thick mono around here in Ukraine for the lack of big fish species, I got what I could find (and it looks pretty good line). it's called black cat mono, designed for catfish. comes in 50m spools at about $7 per spool (for 1.0 mm).
I don’t know if you have or not but, you should do seaguar salmon vs blue label!
Very informative
Have you ever tried the KastKing fluorocarbon line and compared it to other lines? I just ordered the 6 lb test Kastking to try out and it rates at a full .02" smaller in diameter than the 6 lb test Berekley Vanish, which makes a big difference in fly fishing, which is where I'll use this in lake leaders. Although abrasion resistance isn't typically an issue in my lake fly fishing applications, knot strength is, so I'll compare the two once I get this. The Kastking is quite reasonably priced I found.
I have not yet used KastKing line. Please let us know what you find out after using it. Tight Lines!
I use alot of berkley line. I think they are the best bang for ur buck
You should try to compare by diameter not by whats listed as pound test. If you did that the Vanish would be doing even better! Main thing with fluro is make sure its sloppy wet when you cinch it down.
Used the 4lb vanish berkley for crappie trout and small cats no problem
I use vanish in both 20lb and 30lb sizes depending on the situation. Both seem to work well with a double uni to attach to my braid however, the single uni at the terminal end is another story. I've tried anywhere from 4-7 wraps and it's always the same story; a horrible looking knot (which never pops) that doesn't inspire a lot of trust. Even a well lubed carefully tied knot will break inside the wraps if pulled "tight" with what seems to be a reasonable amount of force. Which leaves you with a seemingly loose knot which I hope doesn't slide off while I'm fighting a fish. Of course I'm no pro angler but, that's my 2 cents
Berkley isn't really a saltwater company, but if you do a little research on them and their history I think you'll be impressed. Any company that has scientists on their staff is a company whose products I would always consider very seriously, just like you did.
Frank Y they do make lots saltwater lures and plastics tho.
Hey bud, add water to your tests, use an aquarium and do the abrasion test in the water for us!!
I lost a possibly PB monster sheep awhile back using vanish and don't think that would've happened with seaguar.
Is there a difference in a "leader" fluorocarbon vs main fishing line of fluorocarbon material?
Jimbeaux Jimenez no
Ayyye vanish has always been my go to
Thanks for sharing!
tank's for the vid!
Hi, do Berkeley vanish line becomes invisible once it enters the water? (Is this line harder to see in water?) - is the term "vanish" been given because of this? Thank you.....
Great question! Make sure to ask this over on the actual blog or in the Community (www.saltstrong.com/) where the coaches spend their time. The blog can be found here:
www.saltstrong.com/articles/berkley-vanish-vs-seaguar-blue-label/
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Thank you......
Sir, have you tested Sunline Sniper and what were the results? Thank you!
Thanks for your testing but I have some other concerns....Is their a refractive differences in both these lines ? Is one perhaps a better performer underwater w/ regards to better invisibility ? Does one have a limper effect during use ? Your feedback is appreciated.
Thanks, Gerry from San Diego, CA
Both of these lines are 100% fluorocarbon, so they should have the same density thus the same refractive index (only difference in refraction from one 100% fluoro line to another is supposed to be just from their respective diameters).
As for feeling limper/softer, the Vanish def feels more limp relative to Seaguar.
How do they compare with knot strength
Do yall use fluro for bayfishing or braid
Interesting , I can tell u in my opinion and from using it a bunch of times that vanish on lighter test (4,6,8) lb is absolute terrible .
Can you try bull buster leader for a video
Have you tested the pink label seaguar?
Vanish isn’t terrible but the quality control is
Great vid. Do you know if there's a difference in visibility in the two
That test will be coming soon.
@@Saltstrong Thank you. I really enjoy your vids. Great content
I gone back to clear mono for leaders, the slight shock absorption I think the fish have a harder time shaking hooks. I've had great success with the Maxima clear 100m spools, I'd be very interested in Sunline FC Rock (a very popular leader in Australia) vs Maxima clear leader mono
Have you tested the breaking strength?
Johnny Jiang id like to see that too
Dang, that’s a good deal. Been using mono, this is cheap enough to get fluoro.
do the test 100 times to verify your hypothesis with additional data. I just switch over from mono, so i really cannot give feedback, however I am not making a decision over 1 or 2 testings.
Berkley is crazy cheap on clearance at Walmart. Might stockpile a ton of different line lol
I found that vanish is very weak, went with pline flouro and never turned back
J-line by the izuo Brothers. The gold standard in hawaii
Thanks for sharing!
Why bother switching the lines in between tests if you use a different motion with the sandpaper? You should keep it consistent.
I did multiple other tests, and the Vanish won every time regardless of motion direction or side placement... I just didn't film them all because it would have made for a very boring video:)
Salt Strong ahh I see thanks for clarifying. I like these tests by the way it's nice to see someone unaffiliated with any brands doing strength/abrasion tests like these. Saves a lot of us time and money.
In my experience knots do not hold up well with vanish. Lost more than I care to admit due to knot strength and overall knot performance. Very poor in that category IMO
Frankie J ive had similar results using vanish. Dont trust it honestly
What knots are you using? And what line do you now prefer over Vanish?
Frankie J . As a fly angler knot strength is very important. I build all my own Salt/Fresh fly leaders.
Salt Strong I’ve tried a variety of knots from the San Diego Jam to improved clinch and a few in between and just couldn’t find a knot that held up or didn’t burn even with it being well lubed. This was 5 years ago or so so maybe it’s time to give it another try?
Frankie J try a Uni to Uni or FG
Berkley vanish vs other Berkley floroucarbons.
Felix Martell Trilene 100% fluorocarbon
I think you are testing vanish fishing line rather than vanish leader material. Not the same products. Do the test with vanish leader material.
Seaguar ok👍👍
so cheap Berkley main line beat Seagar leader flouro? just to be clear!
Yes, the Berkley Vanish seemed to have better performance while also being much less expensive than the Seaguar Blue Label line.
What about cast ability
We use these fluorocarbon lines just for leaders (only about 24 inches of line in between the lure and the braid mainline), so the castability is not a factor that we've tested.
Salt Strong thank you for replying! You have another sub!
@@a.e.fishing843 Great news! Thanks for subscribing!
wow awesome"
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Can you please compare the berkley vanish fluro leader www.berkley-fishing.com.au/product/vanish-100-fluorocarbon-leader/ vs berkley vanish mainline www.berkley-fishing.com.au/product/vanish-mainline/
They are breaking less than one turn or one another! That is not a big difference to me. The point of breaking off 10secs into fighting fish vs 11sec not that big of deal. If if was 10-15sec later. Then I would agree to this..but dripping one after another isn't that bad..
vape kingg price wise tho. Berkley is better even if berkley was one turn less than segar. For the price id take the berkley
Horacio Rodriguez thats is true
Salt Strong!!!
While I applaud your testing, I'm not sure I understand the comparison. Your testing one brand of (Line)material, vs another of (Leader) material. I.E. Leader vs LIne, not Leader vs Leader would have been more useful. Knot strength comparison between the 2 different types would probably be more useful.
Most of my breakoffs are due to snook rubbing through my leader line, so that was the feature that I wanted to focus on for this experiment. I used to think that the "leader" lines were more abrasive resistant, so the mainline was the only one at a disadvantage... but it proved to be stronger than the leader line in this test.
Yes, I'll be conducting a test on knot strength on these two lines soon to see which one wins the pull strength test.
The vanish is garbage. Caveat being I tried 2 spools of their 40lb Vanish to use as leader material and both spools while cinching the knot with gloves (needed that with 40lb fluoro) the line would fray just from glove friction....absolute crap.
vanish has too much line memory for me
When you're comparison is literally a 50 cent difference between the two, I'm not really sure many will care lol. Also, how about doing a line strength test without any abrasion, to see what holds up better?
Vanish is 250 yards, Seaguar is 25 yards... So you get 225 yards more line with vanish for that 0.50 cent difference.
knot strength
vanish has less knot strength
Seaguar really isnt great line by any standard the red box really ranks at or near the bottom of my list. Not one but 2 brand new boxes really messed my stuff up and ruined a day of what woukd have bern amazing fishing. Do not.
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Thanks for watching!
@@Saltstrong Welcome......
That Vanish Berkley line is garbage! Wasted $7 and it is so thin and useless that u cannot use fishing knot on it and it cuts through fingers . I wish I can get my money back!!
We are sorry to hear this!
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