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    Led by their primarchs, the Word Bearers and World Eaters Legions ravage the realm of Ultramar
    The Shadow Crusade has begun. While the Ultramarines reel from Kor Phaeron’s surprise attack on Calth, Lorgar and the rest of the Word Bearers strike deep into Ultramar. Their unlikely allies, Angron and the World Eaters, continue to ravage each new system they come across - upon the garrison planet of Armatura, this relentless savagery may finally prove to be their undoing. Worlds will burn, Legions will clash and a primarch will fall.

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  • @bautistafalse9165
    @bautistafalse9165 ปีที่แล้ว +673

    The worst death for Erebus would be by the hand of a nobody, killed by a person whitout a great destiny in a place that has no meaning or importance.

    • @VyktriBell
      @VyktriBell ปีที่แล้ว +83

      That would be so satisfying to read tho

    • @grimmnekrokvlt
      @grimmnekrokvlt ปีที่แล้ว +118

      Falls down stairs, breaks neck

    • @halfknight2310
      @halfknight2310 ปีที่แล้ว +60

      @@grimmnekrokvlt gets stepped in by a titan. Or gets hit with artillery

    • @cousinzeke4888
      @cousinzeke4888 ปีที่แล้ว +84

      Steps on a land mine from a war centuries ago. A pointless, stupid way to go.

    • @venerablebrothergoriate5844
      @venerablebrothergoriate5844 ปีที่แล้ว

      Some no-name krieger clubs him upside the head with a live AT grenade 😂

  • @a.gravemistake3061
    @a.gravemistake3061 ปีที่แล้ว +695

    Erebus, bleeding on the floor: "I Kharn't believe this"

    • @Hamish2552
      @Hamish2552 ปีที่แล้ว +59

      You mean "I kharnt believe you've done this"

    • @UrbanArmada
      @UrbanArmada ปีที่แล้ว +24

      I kharnt die here

    • @seanallard9335
      @seanallard9335 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      ... Goddammit Nappa.

    • @SamueL-td7fb
      @SamueL-td7fb ปีที่แล้ว +25

      "It feels like i've been smacked in the face by 30.000 Warhammers..."

    • @ASingleSpaghetti
      @ASingleSpaghetti ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@SamueL-td7fb "I guess we were ALL The Horus Heresy all along!"

  • @Vintagegaston
    @Vintagegaston ปีที่แล้ว +90

    I like Angron's voice in the book. He is described as having constant nose bleeds as the nails and his physiology fight, so it would make sense that he sounds as if he is fighting a cold, since he probably has blood going down his throat all the time
    On a side not, daemons like to make fun of Erebus because he is so self absorbed despite never having actually gotten the favor of the gods

  • @Dlnew3
    @Dlnew3 ปีที่แล้ว +74

    There's a sort of popular quote by the director of Dark Souls describing how he wanted each enemy in the game to elicit this sense that you're not fighting them at their peak, you're fighting them after they've plummeted from grace. Between Angron shoulder-pressing a Titan and Kharn talking to Argel Tal about how broken of a primarch he is, it's so interesting to think about what he could've been if he was just given the chance to be himself

  • @jackofn0trades29
    @jackofn0trades29 ปีที่แล้ว +84

    Betrayer? More like “Yo Kharn, you good bro”
    “No Argel-Tal, I am not.”

  • @isaacfransonfilm2139
    @isaacfransonfilm2139 ปีที่แล้ว +92

    Let's be real, Magnus in our head sounds like how he does in TTS

  • @BK2207
    @BK2207 ปีที่แล้ว +261

    Erebus should just be captured by Trazyn, for historical purposes and reference on his Horus Heresy section.

    • @Gormathius
      @Gormathius ปีที่แล้ว +29

      And there's just a plaque that says "Historical lowpoint in douchebaggery"

    • @BK2207
      @BK2207 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@Gormathius More ironic to keep some of his titles 'The Hand of Fate' or 'The Architect of Heresy' on the plaque, in regards he would be stuck for eternity to the whims of another than himself.

    • @judeblack4360
      @judeblack4360 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      That diorama is just Erebus falling down a very long flight of stairs after being pushed by a smug looking guardsman while marines from every single loyalist chapter laugh and point at him. The plaque reads: “Erebus, Dark Apostle of the Word Bearers and self-proclaimed Hand of Fate. Visitors are encouraged to laugh at his unfortunate predicament.”

    • @sonofjack6286
      @sonofjack6286 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@judeblack4360 That's a lot of stairs, and big ones too. Also the guardsman has the Anya smirk on his face.

    • @mapleflag6518
      @mapleflag6518 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@judeblack4360 Also Erebus would be picking his nose

  • @Avengedtenfold
    @Avengedtenfold ปีที่แล้ว +113

    I think the thing that Lotara Sarrin memes don't remember or translate very well is that she was a noblewoman before embracing the freedom that the imperial navy gave her. She's not aggressive, bloodthirsty bad bitch all the time. She's perfectly capable of politeness, treats her bridge crew fairly kindly and even finds a way of talking some info out of the mechanicus.

    • @mapleflag6518
      @mapleflag6518 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      But Emperor/Khorne/Tzeentch/Nurgle/Slaanesh help you if you scratch her ship’s hangar.

    • @dougla517
      @dougla517 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@mapleflag6518none of them would help you if you did that. They're not that stupid.

    • @DewayneMcClure-bm2pj
      @DewayneMcClure-bm2pj 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      She's an absolute Momm--*BONK* OUCH great character I mean

  • @thehungrycub1651
    @thehungrycub1651 ปีที่แล้ว +95

    Fun fact Jonathan Keeble voiced malekith in elden ring.

  • @ryanwiththesauce
    @ryanwiththesauce ปีที่แล้ว +56

    Shy should clip DK saying “he pegged Angron” just in case y’know

  • @alvinflang9159
    @alvinflang9159 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I love how the World Eaters aren't even surprised that Erebus teleported away. They just go "Ew. What a prick.".

  • @Jormyyy
    @Jormyyy ปีที่แล้ว +90

    If I had a nickel for every time Angron had to dig his way out of a massive pile of rubble due to having a building/ mountain dropped on him, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.

    • @JaxxonBlaze69
      @JaxxonBlaze69 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Ah AH! Not twice, twice so FAR

  • @raider3167
    @raider3167 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    So the thing about Angron’s voice.
    He doesn’t have a deep voice, like the other Primarchs. His sinuses are either constantly blocked or so scarred up that they’re just useless. The more the nails take, the more he ends up being a mouth breather. He’s not meant to sound high and reedy, but he’s got a very nasally voice because his brains are leaking out through his nostrils.

  • @GladiatorBeastB
    @GladiatorBeastB ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Lotara playing cards with a contemptor dreadnought will forever be my favorite memory of this book

    • @mapleflag6518
      @mapleflag6518 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Who won?

    • @GladiatorBeastB
      @GladiatorBeastB ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@mapleflag6518 I dont think they said!

    • @mapleflag6518
      @mapleflag6518 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@GladiatorBeastB DAMMIT GW!!!

    • @TheOnlyRealIRONicMAN
      @TheOnlyRealIRONicMAN ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ​@@mapleflag6518 iirc the dreadnought, Lhorke got annoyed by not being able to hold the cards and didn't like having some other dude hold them for him, so they stopped

    • @mapleflag6518
      @mapleflag6518 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@TheOnlyRealIRONicMAN Lotara should have ordered him to keep playing

  • @vokunrogue3384
    @vokunrogue3384 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    "Armatura" in Poland means plumbing and bathroom equipment mainly: pipes, bathtubs, sinks, showers, toilets ect.
    When I read "Betrayer", my first thought was: "Wait, so Imperium had an entire world dedicated to production of toilets? No way!"

    • @kiddo6393
      @kiddo6393 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Oh shit!

    • @philip8498
      @philip8498 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The probably do have such a world. And nurgle either loves or hates ut

  • @Zakanuva
    @Zakanuva ปีที่แล้ว +88

    5:37 TTS has ruined me in that regard: I simply _cannot_ imagine Magnus with any voice other than Zegram's portrayal.

    • @Yozzy22
      @Yozzy22 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      It's kind of weird how the pharaoh of magic space Egypt now has an Australian accent in the head canon of so many fans.

    • @mapleflag6518
      @mapleflag6518 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@Yozzy22 That’s Australian!?

    • @voorlees9368
      @voorlees9368 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@mapleflag6518 Space Australian* mate no need to be racist.

    • @halfknight2310
      @halfknight2310 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@mapleflag6518 I think it was suppose to be British or something. But everyone kept saying it sounded more Australian.

  • @coolstorybro8811
    @coolstorybro8811 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Pretty sure "Fuck Erebus!" is the fourth most popular phrase in 40K, right after Blood for the Blood God, Heresy, and WAAAAAAGHH!

    • @gokbay3057
      @gokbay3057 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It definitly is pretty high, I think there might be some more popular ones (Emperor Protects or Blam! are up there).

    • @mapleflag6518
      @mapleflag6518 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Also “FOR THE EMPEROR!!!”

    • @brokedude9999
      @brokedude9999 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What about: "Happy Gas mask Noises"?

  • @InquisitorKryptman
    @InquisitorKryptman ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Spoilers for Echoes of Eternity
    Lotara is indeed one with the ship fused from the waist down, black claws click clacking on her throne, saw like predator teeth, grey-white flesh, deep set black pupils, can't remember if she had a nose or not but she's described as being vampiric in appearance, reminds me of a carcharadon. She's also haunted by wraiths of herself and her crew created by the conquerors machine spirit.
    Edit: didn't move text down enough

  • @OmegaLittleBob
    @OmegaLittleBob ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Y’all NEED to read “Know No Fear” makes Guilliman’s appearance and the entire final act so much more epic.

  • @joeywallnuts7747
    @joeywallnuts7747 ปีที่แล้ว +113

    I really liked Angron's Voice here.
    It really captures his super twitchy completely broken personality. Especially with how he is portrayed in this book, Argel tal says he is "no primarch" he is referred as a broken god. So many of his scenes are him losing control and powerlessly lashing out.
    It's like an Angry Chihuahua in the body of a Demigod.

    • @ham9236
      @ham9236 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Imo Angron shouldn't sound like a tough man in pain, he should sound like a pained man pretending to be tough

    • @timerevive1511
      @timerevive1511 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I agree, he sounds very much like a tortured soul

    • @jamesthompson3023
      @jamesthompson3023 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Of course he's will sound nasely he's had a nose bleed for 100 years

    • @CuzTyler
      @CuzTyler ปีที่แล้ว +6

      When he told Argel Tal and Kharne to leave the last ultramarine for him to brutalize his voice was downright menacing

  • @w021wjs
    @w021wjs ปีที่แล้ว +44

    Hear me out here... Guilliman shouldn't win a Primarch fight. He's a logistics guy. He builds supply lines, sets up stable resource streams and efficient recruiting. He plans ahead and innovates.
    The Primarch fights he should win would be him crushing his brother under a wave of Ultramarines and guard.

    • @Noone-we9vb
      @Noone-we9vb ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Yeah its good idea. In this case guilliman wont be a mary sue, and its more interesting when character win not by strength but with cunning

    • @alfonsocyrusjoshua9551
      @alfonsocyrusjoshua9551 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Noone-we9vb i mean the logistics guy could make a really good case for dropping an entire space ship of explosives on another primarch

    • @w021wjs
      @w021wjs ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@Noone-we9vb just to be clear, I don't think he's anywhere close to a Mary Sue. 40k Guilliman is a troubled man. Everything that he fought for it in ruins. His dream, his father's dream, is dead. His closest brothers are all gone, whether they be turned traitor or taken by the progress of time. He is fighting for an Imperium that would make his father sneer in disgust. He has to play politician, god incarnate, strategist, logistician and civil engineer. Even a Primarch can't be everywhere and do everything at once. He is not equipped to handle this. And he knows it.

    • @Ariadne.Of_Emperors_Children
      @Ariadne.Of_Emperors_Children ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Didn't he kill Alpharius?

    • @thewerdna
      @thewerdna ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I mean this checks out with what we see. Only Primarch fights he's won have been thanks to other bailing him out. Magnus was kicking his ass until a bunch of Sisters of Silence showed up. And he was getting wrecked by Mortarian until daddy Emps possessed his body to beat the shit out of Morty for him.

  • @FinalRepublic
    @FinalRepublic ปีที่แล้ว +168

    Unrelated 40k Theory: The mystery behind Krieg's birthing process the Vitae Womb is largely a "cloning" sort of tech. And as a Patriarch is to his Space Marines, Colonel Jurten is to the Death Korps. Where as other similar processes on other planets use different genetics for its created people, Krieg's people are all the offspring of Jurten. This is because after the betrayal against him by his senior officers and he decided to literally say, "Fine, I'll do it myself." Also if I remember correctly every time, in official cannon, they describe the features of a Krieg soldier without it's gasmask on, they have the same color hair and eyes.

    • @user-jy2ys4ju6c
      @user-jy2ys4ju6c ปีที่แล้ว +23

      In canon, Jurten was against creating Vitae Womb to the last. Only after his death it was created

    • @TheNaturalnuke
      @TheNaturalnuke ปีที่แล้ว +26

      @@user-jy2ys4ju6c I believe the Mechanicus guy went ‘who else to continue the work but you?’

    • @FinalRepublic
      @FinalRepublic ปีที่แล้ว

      @@user-jy2ys4ju6c That's Colonel Jurten you heretic, and he was also against nuking the planet until he wasn't. Anything for the God Emperor, at all costs.

    • @aaronpokluda1741
      @aaronpokluda1741 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      He's out of line but he's right.

    • @luckiller019
      @luckiller019 ปีที่แล้ว

      >the inquisition interrogation
      >the foreign tech preist who was always two step ehead and had radical solution fro Jurten problem
      I have a tin foil hat theory that Inquisition knew about Krieg going rebel and they just wanted tested if its possible to use nuclear weapons on hive cities. Short answer; it worked but not even Empire is willing to do it again

  • @bladestormviking
    @bladestormviking ปีที่แล้ว +73

    i love how angron INSISTS on trolling Argel Tal with "Creature....."
    you can almost feel Tal and Kharn both cringe every time he says it.
    PS- Delvarus earned his ass whoopin that night in the pits, and he took it like a G. anybody who had issue with him, stepped up and got a piece. That's laudable after what he caused by running off to chase glory on the ground.

    • @canyouwriteanythinghere
      @canyouwriteanythinghere ปีที่แล้ว +5

      It wasn't even anyone having an issue with him. His exact words are "Any who would make _____ a liar, step forth!" He didn't have an issue with being killed, he had an issue with someone who would break his brother's word.

    • @bladestormviking
      @bladestormviking ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@canyouwriteanythinghere again, he presented himself for receipts, and MANY of his legion brothers tried to issue one.... but Delvarus is pit champion for a reason, and it's not his rank.

  • @MajorSquiggles
    @MajorSquiggles ปีที่แล้ว +17

    My favorite part was when Kharn screamed "It's betrayin' time!"

    • @mapleflag6518
      @mapleflag6518 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And betrayed all over everyone

  • @sharpetutor227
    @sharpetutor227 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Jonathan Keeble is by far one of the best narrators anyone can get. Especially when he plays night lords. He just has this ability to bring characters to life and make the story real.

  • @Nomadith
    @Nomadith ปีที่แล้ว +69

    I'd definitely say the voice actors that The Amber King got for Kharn, Angron and Magnus in his videos hit better than this one, but the writing was great all the same. Amber King's Kharn VA really sounds like I imagined even before he went mad, and his Magnus had an air of old dignity in his voice, especially when he talked with jaghatai on prospero

    • @SMScorx89
      @SMScorx89 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      The Amber King's VA that he usually used for Kharn is ABORDER PRINCE. He has a 40k TH-cam channel, so check him out.

    • @Nomadith
      @Nomadith ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SMScorx89 now that fucking explains it - ABP has a fantastically gravelly voice. Like someone needs to give that man a throat lozenge or ten

  • @steweygrrr
    @steweygrrr ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Said it before and I'm going to say it again; when the artist was given the request for Erebus the concept they were given _had_ to have been something along the lines of "Draw that trollface from rage comics but make it look like an Astartes." It would amuse me greatly if Kharn met Erebus in the 40k era and in a moment of lucidity remembered what the fucker did, that he escaped last time and that vengeance is overdue and then, as Kharn has Erebus at his mercy, the Dark Gods abandon Erebus at the last minute in an epic "you reap what you sow" moment ten thousand years in the making.

    • @tombouric
      @tombouric ปีที่แล้ว

      It'd be really cool if Kharn like, dropped out of a bloodlusted frenzy when he re-encounters Erebus.
      And he just
      Goes into a deep, conscious, thoughtful, hate.
      He's not going to kill Erebus because of Khorne, or the Butcher's Nails. He hates Erebus enough to push those aside and make it purely personal.

  • @sunset7424
    @sunset7424 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    I'm glad Bricky is coming to the realization on what an awful and evil person Lorgar is. something people often miss is that Lorgar never really worshipped the emperor he worshipped the emperors strength because to be that powerful you must be divine and once he was rejected he easily turned to chaos because of their power he didn't need Kor Pharon or Erebus and was fully aware of the manipulation going on he was always that twisted guy literally tells Erebus and Kor Pharon to literally fuck off because he had no use for them when everything was said and done.

    • @kwazooplayingguardsman5615
      @kwazooplayingguardsman5615 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Umm.. he literally questioned his allegiance to chaos even in istvan, he went to the eye because after the censure, he started receiving visions of the gods similarly to how he received visions of the emperor, and being the truth seeker that he is, he decided to investigate it.

  • @thedivinekahuna298
    @thedivinekahuna298 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    So Lhorke didn’t cut of Lorgar’s hand, he knocked aside his crozius and Lorgar’s hand got pulped by a bolt shell. I think the reason he doesn’t have an augmetic is he did the same ritual that he did after almost getting melted by that one titan’s plasma.

  • @InquisitorKryptman
    @InquisitorKryptman ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Cyrene last appeared in the SoT book Warhawk, her, John Gramaticus, Ollanius Pius, Leetu, one of if not the original space marines and Erdas' protector and 'I am Alpharius' were traveling to meet the emperor.

  • @garrettmcmurry1436
    @garrettmcmurry1436 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    You need to do Angron Slave of Nucera. It’s his origin story for him and the nails.

  • @briant7134
    @briant7134 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I will never unsee Lorgar as being played by Reverend Lovejoy.

  • @BrotherGS
    @BrotherGS ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Ok so clearing up the confusion. The main world eater librarian shot lorgar's hand off, and Lhorke went to beat lorgar up and actually did a very good job at it

  • @matthews2715
    @matthews2715 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Like DK I've never really liked the Ultramarines but I have to say Know No Fear and Betrayer really made me respect them more. I really recommend Know No Fear for the next heresy book. You won't regret it. Ultramarines get spanked for most of the book. There's a really cool interaction between Guilleman and Lorgar where Gman rages and Lorgar dunks on him. Really adds to their confrontation in Betrayer. Also adds a cool character that breaks the mold of the "goody two shoes" Ultramarine. Great read.

  • @Ragindeath415
    @Ragindeath415 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    If Guilliman has ultra-depression, then Angron has a step or 2 above that.

  • @TheLongMan
    @TheLongMan ปีที่แล้ว +6

    the Sirgalla crew was odd because how good they were yet felt added on top.
    To me, what they, and the stuff with the tech priests and Lotara and her crew, was showing how even this deep in the heresy, they were still a crew. they werent frothing chaos worshipers, they were doing their job and their duty as they saw it.
    A last look at the "normal" people of the crew before it all well and truly sunk into chaos and hell.

  • @Metal_Maoist
    @Metal_Maoist ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I'm pretty sure the Blessed Lady and the Trisagion aren't gloriana-class, they're some sort of even bigger, special ship type

    • @rogaldorn9457
      @rogaldorn9457 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I Believe they are called "Abyss-Class Battleships"

  • @CuzTyler
    @CuzTyler ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I'm just hyped that Eisenhorn is happening soon. His and Ravenor's series are my absolute favorites in Warhammer.

    • @jeremychurch4732
      @jeremychurch4732 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah! I just read all 4 of the Eisenhorn books this summer and am now working on the second Bequin one!

    • @Agerholm2650
      @Agerholm2650 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jeremychurch4732 did you skip the ravenor ones? Because that would be a shame and kinda confusing at times I suppose 😅

    • @CuzTyler
      @CuzTyler ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Agerholm2650 especially when Ravenor is better in certain aspects than Eisenhorn is

  • @canyouwriteanythinghere
    @canyouwriteanythinghere ปีที่แล้ว +9

    6 packs of warhounds. 5 warhounds each, 30 total. By the time they were able to immobilize it it had killed 18 of them.

  • @neelwoodall8550
    @neelwoodall8550 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    How is Kor Pareon not getting his share of hate. Between him and Erebus whispering of the "old faith that they had never abandoned" in Lorgars ear after Monarchia they share 50/50 in conspiracy.
    The worst death for Erebus would be at the hand of Lorgar.

  • @Notbatman374
    @Notbatman374 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Having just finished betrayer, I concur that kharne beating 6 shades of bodily fluids out of erebus was very satisfying.

  • @nathac41
    @nathac41 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Erebus lost his hand when Kharn chopped it off, then proceeded to backhand him across the arena telling him to "get UP"

  • @ShineDark
    @ShineDark ปีที่แล้ว +50

    I think the higher Angron voice sort of works if you consider that Angron was built to be a healer, not a warrior.

    • @halfknight2310
      @halfknight2310 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Yeah, he was suppose to be an empath not a berserker.
      I think that Angron would have a somewhat tenor or alto voice. Not full on baritone deep.

    • @AFortifiedBatcave
      @AFortifiedBatcave ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Also nearly perpetual nosebleeds whenever angry enough and as well as that scream he's canonically said to have let out in his Primarch book, silly as that is, added together the voice fits, even retroactively.

  • @sarnicholas4053
    @sarnicholas4053 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I am a Lion El'Jonson fanboy but one of my FAVORITE parts of the book was the description of Russ during the Night of the Wolf.
    When the dreadnaught says that he'd never felt more dead than when he looked at the vitality and wildness of Russ I felt so bad for him.

  • @vontheunknown7982
    @vontheunknown7982 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    Poor Angron, all he ever wanted is to die fighting in a battlefield, what do you guys think? 😔

    • @halfknight2310
      @halfknight2310 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, I wanted him to die and finally be in peace with his brothers and sisters

    • @Aizen2468
      @Aizen2468 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      In the book, he agrees with Lorgar and ALLOWS Lorgar to turn him into a Daemon Primarch.
      There's a big conversation between them about what his new form will be.

  • @InquisitorKryptman
    @InquisitorKryptman ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Also the ship that Argel Tal, the Gal Vorbak and Ingethel go into the eye of terror in The First Heretic is called Orfeos' Lament and in this book Captain Orfeo cries out in agonizing pain as Angron brutally murders him. Nice job ADB

  • @gamedude412
    @gamedude412 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    One thing about angron’s tragedy
    His special power was apparently to soothe and calm people
    During the uprising with the gladiators he seen calm the ptsd of the younger gladiators so they could sleep

  • @sotheofdaein
    @sotheofdaein ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Erebus is the micah bell of warhammer 40k

  • @liamroyston6718
    @liamroyston6718 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Magnus will always sound like a Texan trying to be English coming out Australian to me.

  • @Jandau85
    @Jandau85 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I like Erebus because he looked at the life he was born into, a Galaxy where choice is almost non-existant, and said "Fuck THAT!". He took one look at the superhuman Demigods that were there to direct his existence and said "Oh hell no!". And then he brought them down. He forged his own path and wasn't daunted by the power of the Primarchs. He manipulated them and got them to destroy each other. He's a complete piece of shit, but he's a piece of shit on his own terms.

    • @mapleflag6518
      @mapleflag6518 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Also he is often made fun of by daemons

  • @tom-xq7pt
    @tom-xq7pt ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Angrons throne room scene is one of the most powerful and moving scenes ive ever scene

  • @_NIKOS9_NIKOS
    @_NIKOS9_NIKOS ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Honestly I kinda want Erebus to be killed by something very insignificant, like being injured and then torn apart by a herd of grots and snotlings or hungry human peasants from an underhive. I think that would be a very fitting ending for someone like him.

    • @halfknight2310
      @halfknight2310 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I would love to see Erebus just get stepped on by a titan and it not even noticing

    • @Zakvadr1995
      @Zakvadr1995 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Just make it a random guardsman, hell, even a conscript! The sheer insult of it would be exquisite!

    • @znalniaskas
      @znalniaskas ปีที่แล้ว

      I want someone to rip out his tongue before summoning Raum to have some fun with him.

    • @ragnarian
      @ragnarian ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A faulty machine breaking or something while he's preaching on a hive world
      Insignificant, random, stupid, gloryless, pathetic
      Fitting death for erebus

    • @ShadowGhost0117
      @ShadowGhost0117 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Even better, make him die to an Ork gretchin getting a lucky shot off or something

  • @Lord_Wateren
    @Lord_Wateren ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Petition(s) for next book club:
    -Eisenhorn (one of the most iconic 40k books imo)
    -Storm of Iron (featuring the rise of everyones favourite Iron Warrior, Honsou)
    Also, for any reddit users, I feel like that poster would be very approved by Vezimira....

    • @Gitskreig
      @Gitskreig ปีที่แล้ว

      I'll agree with Eisenhorn, but I really feel that Magos in particular would be a great episode for that series. I'd also love them to take a look at the Bequin books because they are a very different sort of perspective and I loved the way she looks at the world.

    • @Lord_Wateren
      @Lord_Wateren ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Gitskreig both of those are good as well, but I don't think one would appreciate them as much without the context from having read the other trilogies first. I'd prefer them to start with Xenos (although if you're gonna read Eisenhorn you really should do all 3 books of the OG trilogy)

  • @firemaneminiatures1337
    @firemaneminiatures1337 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    If Angron on the juice can stop a Warhound's foot, just imagine what Vulkan can do when he's serious

    • @Ashtor1337
      @Ashtor1337 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Didn't he go tow to tow with the beast?

    • @halfknight2310
      @halfknight2310 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Ashtor1337 he KILLED the beast. Well, he sacrificed himself, but still. He managed to hold his own for a while

    • @halfknight2310
      @halfknight2310 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also. I think the Lionel heresy had vulkan turned into a MASSIVE daemon dragon

  • @justinian47th
    @justinian47th ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The way the whole "Get up." Was written, 1 to 1 reminded me of when inmate who's actually hard puts the loudmouth new blood in his place.
    Fucking throws 3 hammer punches to his jaw, bites off a God damned 2 fingers and slams his forehead into the bottom bunk railing. He looks at him, crying snot and blood... "Get up."
    New Blood - *visible confusion*
    Old Blood - "Get up. Come on, bitch, I ain't done!"
    "Get up."
    Kharn is the fucking G.o.a.t, man.

  • @ichimaru96
    @ichimaru96 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    When i hear Jonathan keeble, all i ever hear is sevatar, he's perfect for night lord characters cause he does "scum" very well
    For world eater characters though i think the best voices for each of them was in the "butcher's nails" audio drama. Especially lotara sarrin, you can hear the abs
    But angron in that audio drama was perfect, his voice was deep and gravelly but you could hear the pain

  • @MirrenTheDragonKnight
    @MirrenTheDragonKnight ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I liked Cyrene bring brought back avd even as a perpetual.
    Normally I hate that trope too, but it was undoing a paint-by-numbers fridge-stuffing. It's different and far worse when a heroic sacrifice is undone.
    It is even better that she was NOT brainwashed/controlled either. That would be a whole other trite cliche. The only way is if she came to her senses after and had to live with the guilt.

  • @Greebulous
    @Greebulous ปีที่แล้ว +1

    40:30 Those were 2 Abyss Class battleships. There were 3 of these massive warships constructed by Lorgar during the time he was preparing to betray the Emperor, they are absolutely massive and one of them could go up against the Phalanx, they dwarf Glorianna class Warships. The first one appears in the battle for the abyss novel and is destroyed over Macragge, these 2 ships are and absolute threat.

  • @clique7386
    @clique7386 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The furious abyss and Blessed lady weren't gloriana class. They're specially made 'Abyss class' that trump the Gloriana class easily. There's a HH book about some Ultra Marines hunting one down, think it was called 'Battle for the Abyss'

    • @collecter343
      @collecter343 ปีที่แล้ว

      Battle of the Abyss is the book yes, comes right after Legion. Honestly not that good, main gripe is that the WOrd Bearers in it are cartoonishly evil even by 40K standards. They're so powerful that it makes sense Lorgar was gonna make one of the ships his new flagship and give the Fidelitas Lex to Argel Tal.

  • @mikek5322
    @mikek5322 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Every Word Bearers drop pod during the Horus heresy blared pumped up kicks on the descent

  • @CommanderOshawott
    @CommanderOshawott ปีที่แล้ว +2

    UMMMMMM ACKSHUALLY
    The Blessed Lady isn’t a Gloriana-class battleship. It’s bigger.
    The Dark Mechanicum built 3 special battleships for the Word Bearers that, while smaller than the Phalanx (which is a Ramilles-class Star fort that was retrofitted with engines) were larger than any other Imperial Vessel ever made.
    They are later classed “Abyss” class Battleships by the Imperium after the first one named the “Furious Abyss”
    The Conqueror *is* a Gloriana-class Battleship.
    All Abyss-class battleships were destroyed during the Heresy, there are still a couple Gloriana-class vessels around (Conqueror, Macragge’s Honour, Terminus Est, Vengeful Spirit, and Red Tear are all still active)

  • @ShadowShogun50
    @ShadowShogun50 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    iirc Lorke did cut off Logar's hand but Logar used the warp to reattached it after the fight, so it looked like it never happened.
    The last bit was noted by Kharn on his final meeting with Logar.

  • @HyperboreanJihad
    @HyperboreanJihad ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Iirc they reason the nails also effect angron the worst other than his primarch healing is because all primarchs are innately psychic which makes a feedback loop in the nails
    Along with angrons nails not being installed properly

  • @richroll9894
    @richroll9894 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Blessed Lady aren’t Gloriana class, they’re Abbysal class or something like that, I recall because they make even Gloriana ships look small

  • @jacebeleren3
    @jacebeleren3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Chosen of Khorne had a great voice for Khârn

  • @astral_ragtime5365
    @astral_ragtime5365 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It's real fun seeing Bricky do kinda a 180 on Perturabo and Lorgar. Lorgar talks shit but can't back it up, while Perty for all his faults puts his money where his mouth is.

  • @ryantice1186
    @ryantice1186 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If you want to hate Erebus more, read the Siege of Terra books. Won’t spoil it but he does something objectively way worse than killing Argel Tal.

  • @evynkalinowski9231
    @evynkalinowski9231 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I'm surprised in all this time, they didn't spend an entire 30 minutes talking about Lotara Sarrin.

    • @Seldonlair
      @Seldonlair ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Dude, she deserves it. She got dealt a winning hand and the most bitter gut check in Echoes of Eternity.

  • @AngelReyes-ts1wx
    @AngelReyes-ts1wx ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hot take: Erebus contributed more to the setting than sigismund!

  • @phage5342
    @phage5342 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I like eribus, he's self serving and doesn't grovel for the emperor or the primarchs and he's always up to something. I was sad when he got argy killed but it's what tips kharn over to khorne. He will continue to get close to scorpions and get stung and will eventually die but he would probably be fine with it in the end and pry make another mess while he's at it.

  • @ASingleSpaghetti
    @ASingleSpaghetti ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Can't wait until they get to "Get Up."

  • @ahoyturtle
    @ahoyturtle ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Gotta say, my take on Lorgar is very different from you guys, and I wonder how much of that is because I read the books rather than listen to the audio version.

  • @Fox01313
    @Fox01313 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great book & really fun episode! I do agree about the titan crew, fun but should have been in another book & I really want ADB to do a bit more of a prequel with Captain Sariin (sp?) as she was wonderful to see in the story.
    As for voices & Magnus I still think the VA who played him in Emperor's text to speech just nailed it with a sarcastic British librarian. I think that someone should record a bit of audio from episode 13 of text to speech for DK to hear his voice. Some of the annoying ultramarine voices in that series sound great too (also not a fan of them though Robot Girlyman does eventually kick a lot of butt in the Dark Imperium trilogy).

  • @uhnpukun2581
    @uhnpukun2581 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    what if they slowly pull out the nails over a few months or years so that angron heals the gaps as the nails can slowly be unlinched

  • @sierraandrews9921
    @sierraandrews9921 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Kharn is always described as being soft spoken, and is almost always shown as some kind of slavic accent in all teh audio stuff :) Hell even in the new Codex they say Kharn is famous for being unsettlingly calm out of the fray

  • @AlexanderForsman
    @AlexanderForsman ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Wow, how can you not just love Lorgar after reading Betrayer?

  • @canyouwriteanythinghere
    @canyouwriteanythinghere ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Regarding Lorgar's ships I have to call bullshit on them. Because in Battle for the Abyss, they built the happily named Furious Abyss which was on it's way to Calth but was destroyed thanks to a group of Ultramarines, loyalist World Eaters, Space Wolves and some Thousand Sons.
    Now, when the ship is finished, they blow up the entire forgeworld that it was built on, not to mention it was stated to have taken several decades to build. I can believe the Empirium might've missed losing 1 world, because, you know, A MILLION WORLDS! And sure, even Mars might've overlooked it. But I very much fucking doubt 3 whole forge worlds blowing the fuck up would’ve gone unnoticed, even if they were smaller ones!

    • @gama343
      @gama343 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It took decades to build in secret, letting the world it was built on keep up their normal production rates to hide the fact that they were building a non-Emperor-approved super-weapon. After the first one was built up enough to have a blueprint to give to some forge worlds that were loyal to Horus, the Warmaster could have covered for their sudden drop in production while they rushed to complete the other Abyss class ships, then swept their destruction under the rug with the general chaos of the Heresy breaking out.

  • @sond.lollipop8919
    @sond.lollipop8919 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What’s funny about this book is when you read the part where angron ducking lifts and holds back a warlord titan foot is wild and you think this is nuts and that he’s so powerful. Then you remember magnus one shotting a ancient one eldar titan and sanguinious flying though a even bigger titan and ripping the main pilot out of place shutting it down and destroying the whole thing in place.

    • @collecter343
      @collecter343 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Primarchs really are just the Avengers.

  • @alienstar2088
    @alienstar2088 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Legit the only 40K book to make me cry ToT

  • @UNION_JACK_THE_RIPPER
    @UNION_JACK_THE_RIPPER ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Makes sense for angrons voice i think. Cause if he's always angry and in pain when you're in pain you do kinda screech your voice. So him being constantly angry and in pain his vocal cords would be shredded so I think the voice suits him.

    • @philip8498
      @philip8498 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Npt only that but he has been bleeding into the back of his nasal cavities non stop for centuries

  • @JosephHead
    @JosephHead ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It was so very satisfying having Kharn kick the shit out of the slippery bastard. I’m surprised there isn’t a set of rules if Kharn faces off against him where he does more damage and if the snake is fighting Kharn he has the ability to teleport once per game if facing the world eater captain

  • @zigmus00A
    @zigmus00A ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I don't really agree that Betrayer is the better of the two books, the First Heretic is more consistent in its tone and is easier to follow with it's smaller cast, but I think Betrayer is just more *fun.*
    The shifting perspectives means more things are happening and the tones change so much more frequently like a damn roller coaster. With the highs and lows Betrayer is just a fun, wild ride overall that is definitely enjoyable but for different reasons then the First Heretic is.
    And ye all my homies hate Erebus. 🤝

  • @SamueL-td7fb
    @SamueL-td7fb ปีที่แล้ว +4

    BRO TRIP 30.000 IS ABOUT TO BEGIN

  • @Artey0m
    @Artey0m ปีที่แล้ว +1

    READ TITANICUS. It is one of the best explorations of the Mechanicus I can think of.

  • @crowejagerson3628
    @crowejagerson3628 ปีที่แล้ว

    I fully agree with how Angrons voice comes off but he dose breath through his mouth due to his nasal passage constantly being clogged with blood so it kinda makes sense hes so nasally. Still not what I thought he would sound like.

  • @ComfortsSpecter
    @ComfortsSpecter 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    32:27 Average Conversation About Erebus:
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  • @benrogers9082
    @benrogers9082 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Eldar in trenches against Chaos: dont worry! i hear our brothers are bringing fort Khaine!
    Kharn: Lol, lmao

  • @IdioticSynergy
    @IdioticSynergy ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Tonite on Ridiculous Gear: Bricky acts a little Eresus about Erebus, DK watches a bunch of Ultramarines die viva Lorgar and Angron and Shy steals Gorechild to use against any guest that steers off topic

  • @dirkbennett9244
    @dirkbennett9244 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Magnus can only sounds like the guy from TTS with a slight Australian hint

  • @AlexanderForsman
    @AlexanderForsman ปีที่แล้ว +2

    They are not Gloriana, but abyss class. And they are not second to the phalanx, but each its rival

  • @JaxxonBlaze69
    @JaxxonBlaze69 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Im watching with earbuds in i can hear the rain on one of your windows. Please take your pop filters off in the new episodes it makes the book clubs so much more ambient

  • @andrewostman3135
    @andrewostman3135 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The scene with guilliman made me fall in love with the ultramarines and the lore of 40k... You still are a slave angron, to angry to learn, too spiteful to grow.... It was great because it points the reader back to the truth... For all their protests about freeing themselves from the oppression of the emperor, they are just murderers. Killing innocent people for blood and slaughter. They are the bad guys.

  • @colescott9982
    @colescott9982 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lorgar had his hand blown off by one of the librarians trying to stop the ritual

  • @nowsmile790
    @nowsmile790 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think it would be really cool if you guys made a video about Miriael Sabathiel and The sisters of the night.

  • @anguswilsonspillane1302
    @anguswilsonspillane1302 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The speciel ships that the word bearers have arnt Glorian class they are a bigger class called Abyss class much bigger then the Glorians. just checked the wiki the Abyss Class ships are similar in size to the Phalanx. so significantly the larger then Glorian Class ships.

  • @jennydeath6844
    @jennydeath6844 ปีที่แล้ว

    I totally agree that this book helped me like the ultramarines more but the one that really sealed the deal for me is unremembered empire. Id also love to hear you guys cover assassinorum kingmaker. It became my fav instantly

  • @mountaindrew4311
    @mountaindrew4311 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Someone really does need to be like yo Trayzn there's this Erebus guy still running around that sowed the very seeds of the Horus Heresy. He should get some major spotlight in that exhibit.

  • @lordtallon5610
    @lordtallon5610 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’ve constantly felt like angron’s story COULD be great, but suffers from a huge flaw; Agency.
    Angron’s story completely lacks any agency that actually matters. He doesn’t get to have meaningful choices and everyone constantly makes choices for him. The Emperor, Kharn, Lorgar, all these characters have more impact on Angron’s story then angron’s himself, which is a problem when it’s his story arc. Everyone of angron’s decisions ends up meaningless in the end. It honestly makes the story feel like tragedy porn, just constant misery poured on angron’s head with the intent to making him sympathetic but as a result makes it hard to care about his journey and what decisions he’ll make because they all end up worthless. His story is so close to being great but the lack of agency is a fatal flaw to me.

  • @jessepoiesz2036
    @jessepoiesz2036 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really loved the voices. Erebus reminded me of Obi Wan Kenobi, which is exactly how he would see himself

  • @BlackSquadPro
    @BlackSquadPro ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Read Assassinorum: Kingmaker after Day of Ascension! Xenos is a SERIES that sucks you in. I'm the 8th book in and I've been marathoning it.
    Love Eisenhorn, Rav, and Bequin. But we need that fuckin Knight book!