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  • @BJNx-pv7cv
    @BJNx-pv7cv 4 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    Watching the White Queen, I thunk George and Isabel would be heartbroken to see what happened to their children.

  • @idontgiveafaboutyou
    @idontgiveafaboutyou 5 ปีที่แล้ว +206

    I feel bad for her in the show and in real life. She was such a tragic figure. Thankfully she was acknowledged as a saint by the Catholic Church for being a martyr and victim of Henry Vlll and his treachery.

    • @SG-pu3rx
      @SG-pu3rx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      And before that his mother was a total bully to her

    • @leahhart3585
      @leahhart3585 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Everyone always talks about how sad it was for Catherine Henry’s first wife and Mary but my heart hurts for poor Margaret Pole.

    • @kkandsims4612
      @kkandsims4612 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      He was a phyco seriously murdering people for having a different pov no wonder the colonies where like we out after years of bullshit like his I would be like hey thanks for settling this land for us now we are going to take it and be free.

    • @redadmiralofvalyria867
      @redadmiralofvalyria867 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@leahhart3585 it shows just being RELATED to him was just, perhaps even MORE terrible

  • @OrbitFallenAngel
    @OrbitFallenAngel 6 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    I always felt so badly for poor Margaret.. she was the quiet and peaceful one..who seemed to just get hurt or backstabbed. ..She had so much courage inside of her soul...you can literally see her inner light shining brighter than any others...❤💎🔥

  • @theladyofisell
    @theladyofisell 6 ปีที่แล้ว +140

    I’m crying, this video is perfect and the song fits perfectly to Margaret. She suffered all her life just bc of her family name. She deserved so much more, let’s not forget the great lady that she was

  • @juanthealien3904
    @juanthealien3904 4 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    I started to cry when they beheaded her brother

  • @juanthealien3904
    @juanthealien3904 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    She will forever be remembered
    Lady Margaret Plantagenet
    One of the last Plantagenets (I think )

    • @Wiggys23
      @Wiggys23 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lady,Pole,plantagenet lives, as, she-did not die likethat, she, passed beyond the bail, or she was, called-The Grey Lady-Regent for, her-Nephew,not brother, James Richard, called-Three,richard duke york and,gloucster,word, for-He, also, third name Edward Earl,warwick,earl warwick, why she protected him, as, younger, and-George he-man, uncle george he-did not die like that he lived a long ass time, they all did in a way as, american civil war, was-Shoah, begining as, they were hunted down then, and-many people are their blood, as, many women from them, Maggie had, three boys five girls live to adulthood, and-one son, had son, they continue to this day, called-WoodArd/Woodguard, or-Woodward, or, couple bastard names, like, think about it man, they like, odd plant related names, and- they couple name as girls married-more distant cousin, some called barefeet-Tolkin, liked that-fat little hobbit bare Feet he said, as, his name was, relative, JRR-T,was, to-couple plantagenet women in his line, as, Duke-King,Richard had kids-a bastard maybe,called this as, made by, treaty most likely as, here king, lessor tribe say, my daughter needs a child we, will sell the woman back,if a girl and, if boy, New-ish,name for clan of his, like-maybe your last name if it is something called-Casanio,nor, Castle,lion, or-that is how antonio lopez de santa anna came to be

  • @allies7184
    @allies7184 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Her story is so horrible! Not only did the Tudors send her brother to the tower at the age of 10, and then murder him. He also had Margaret beheaded too, but that wasn't the worst of it. He had a weak teenager, who did such a sloppy job of it, that he hacked off part of her shoulder, and proceeded to turn her into a bloody mess. Some of her last words were, " What have I done? Why are you killing me. She is now a martyr in the Catholic church. This truly makes me believe the Tudors had something to do with the Princes in the Tower's deaths.
    For traitors on the block should die;
    I am no traitor, no, not I!
    My faithfulness stands fast and so,
    Towards the block I shall not go!
    Nor make one step, as you shall see;
    Christ in Thy Mercy, save Thou me![13][14]
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Pole,_Countess_of_Salisbury#Execution

  • @crystalberry748
    @crystalberry748 4 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    I feel bad for her brother also poor soul Edward Plantagenet he was also a innocent boy that had unfortunately be seen as a threat to Henry VII

    • @AnnaBellaChannel
      @AnnaBellaChannel ปีที่แล้ว

      He was threat as he had a better claim to throne being the son of Richard III's brother George Plantagenet, Duke of Clarence. He was The Earl of Warwick.

    • @crystalberry748
      @crystalberry748 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AnnaBellaChannel I know I’m a big historical fan he was the last Plantagenet male heir.

    • @AnnaBellaChannel
      @AnnaBellaChannel ปีที่แล้ว

      @@crystalberry748 I am glad someone else knows. 😀

    • @crystalberry748
      @crystalberry748 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AnnaBellaChannel you know Queen Isabella of Spain had claims to the English throne too . If im not mistaken through her ancestor Joan of Lancaster and someone else I think

    • @AnnaBellaChannel
      @AnnaBellaChannel ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@crystalberry748 John of Gaunt Duke of Lancaster. (6 March 1340 - 3 February 1399)

  • @growingstrong1009
    @growingstrong1009 6 ปีที่แล้ว +135

    A tribute to the true Queen of England . The eldest and legitimate Plantagenet woman who should have been Queen .

    • @teresaperrotta4122
      @teresaperrotta4122 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@veravernetta what happened to Margaret? who was her father, king Richard? my heart broke when teddy was beheaded

    • @traceyratchford2823
      @traceyratchford2823 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Vera V.N.M.V the dowager Queens children with her servant was left out of line of succession for a good reason.

    • @lorninis8977
      @lorninis8977 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      If edward the IV was really illegitimate. She and her brother should have been the real heirs. Not Elizabeth of York or the Tudors.

    • @aleksandrazygmanowska2302
      @aleksandrazygmanowska2302 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@veravernetta Nope. The Yorks claim to the throne from Edward III is on both sides,from father and mother and actually from one of them is even better than Lancastrians. Henry Tudor had his claim from his mothers side,which is worse. He couldn't have it from his father,son of a Welsh knight and a Dowager Queen of England. Henry VI and his line had a good claim,but from Henry IV and V. Henry VII comes from Margaret Beaufort and her family from John of Gaunt and his mistress. Tudor brothers might have been Henry VI step brothers,but it would be valuable if Henry V was their father. Not a Welshman and a French princess. Tudor claim certainly wasn't equal to Yorks. And Edward IV had not only a claim,but also many talents,skills and most importantly,the ability to rule which Henry VI didn't have. The Tudors as a ruling dynasty only exist in history,because Edward died too young. And Henry VII was very lucky to marry Edward's daughter,a true queen by right.

    • @aleksandrazygmanowska2302
      @aleksandrazygmanowska2302 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@veravernetta John of Gaunt wasn't the real heir,as succession goes from father to son. There are exceptions,of course,but Richard II was a direct heir,through his father,who was a first son. Younger brother can succeed if his older brother dies or if he doesn't have an heir. It wasn't the case. Not Richard II fault his father died when he was still a child.
      And Edward III death didn't start the Wars of the Roses,it's just indirect cause of it. Maybe not a war itself,but the fall of the Plantagenet dynasty. Or both. Anyway,it's not a start of this war. Deposition of Richard,his death and Henry IV on the throne are the end of direct succession,but still it could go on through Henry V and VI and so on. Lancastrian line could go on if only Henry V didn't die so young,his son wasn't a small child who turned out to be weak,mentally ill and unable to rule. Henry VI is the reason for the Wars of the Roses,not Edward's death. In 1377 no one could predict such outcome,many things happened later which really caused a war.

  • @maryrowe1504
    @maryrowe1504 6 ปีที่แล้ว +212

    Horrible and sad story but in a way Margaret gets the last laugh, she has living descendants today where the Tudors only lasted 2 more generations.

    • @growingstrong1009
      @growingstrong1009 6 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      Mary Rowe Her descendants arty the true royal blood , not these welsh upstart Tudors , I am a firm Yorkist to my core

    • @mariakat7483
      @mariakat7483 6 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Mary Rowe But the Tudors made the most impact. Yes it was only two more generations but they mattered most because of how they changed England.

    • @davidd3625
      @davidd3625 6 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      Growing Strong100 Technically the Tudors were York's as well, or at least half York, apart from Henry who was a Lancaster, but their children and grandchildren were part york

    • @growingstrong1009
      @growingstrong1009 6 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      D D funny you mention the York part , recent research and evidence have shown that Edward IV was not a York as he was fathered by another man - this makes the Tudors entirely Lancaster , with only Lady Joan Beaufort providing a real claim to Edward IV being King ........

    • @davidd3625
      @davidd3625 6 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Growing Strong100 The story goes that when they were both in France, Cecily, Duchess of York and her husband the Duke were temporarily estranged due to his military commitments. During this separation, she succumbed to the advances of an archer named Blaybourne and fell pregnant with the child that would one day become Edward IV, hero of the house of York and father to the first Tudor Queen.
      Most damagingly, it is claimed the story originates with Cecily herself. As even the most casual observer of this era will be aware, Edward’s marriage to the low-born Elizabeth Woodville (whose family were both known as Lancastrian sympathisers and fierce social climbers) was immensely controversial. Apparently, so enraged was she with her son, that she threatened to confess that he was illegitimate and deprive him of the throne.
      It’s a serious accusation but one we should be cautious about taking at face value. There is no record of the rumour before 1483 when it emerged in the pages of Dominic Mancini, an Italian scholar dispatched to England to serve as the eyes and ears of a continental Bishop. It must be remembered that at this point, Richard III and his cronies were putting it about that Edward IV was a bastard, in order to bolster his younger brother’s claim for the throne. It is likely therefore that this rumour crops up for the first time in 1483 and probably didn’t spring from Cecily’s lips.
      Without being able to depend on this fundamental plank of evidence, the rest of the arguments fall down somewhat. Let’s explore them.
      The absence of the Duke of York at the time of conception - When you look at Edward’s birthdate (in late April 1442) and work backwards, it appears as if the Duke of York was away from home at the time of conception, but the truth is, we just don’t have enough evidence to read too much into it. The couple resided in France at the time and while the Duke was away, he wasn’t so far that the Duchess couldn’t have joined him for some of this time. Of course, the future King could also have been slightly premature or even a little late - there isn’t much time in it. All of these seem more likely than the Duchess secretly ‘liaised’ with a man of such lower rank, that tongues would surely have been set wagging. We should remember that no rumours of Edward’s paternity are recorded before a time when they were politically advantageous to someone.
      A low-key baptism - It has been suggested that Edward’s low-key baptism (in the corner of the church), which contrasted a year later with a more lavish christening for his younger brother, indicate that the Duke of York was not going to splash out for a baby that he didn’t think was his. However, this is counter-intuitive; if the Duke of York had decided to raise this child as his heir, even if he was suspicious of paternity, surely he would have gone out of his way to maintain a pretence of legitimacy rather give the world a sign that his wife had so embarrassingly betrayed him. Besides, the Duke and Duchess had previously had a son who died very soon after birth; their decision to go for a low-key baptism was probably a sign that they had concerns for his health and wanted to make sure he was dedicated to God before anything went wrong. Incidentally, this somewhat backs up the suggestion that he was premature.
      A lack of physical resemblance between father and son - This is a bit of a non-starter. Yes, Edward was tall and strapping (which his father was not) but there are plenty of obvious people in his blood line (on both mother and father’s side) where he could have got this from. Family resemblance is tricky and for those of us analysing today, we don’t have an awful lot to go on.
      Both his brothers accused him of being a bastard - Yes they did. Both had a political motive for doing so. Others made such accusations as well, but not until long after he was born and crowned. Besides, when a noble was born in another country, away from the glare of the commentators of the day, rumours often surrounded the circumstances of their birth. John of Gaunt is an example of this.
      Aside from all the above there are other points worth mentioning. Cecily was outraged by such rumours (suggesting, again, that she didn’t start them) and it seems hugely out of character for her to have committed adultery, especially with someone of low-birth. I think it is also reasonable to assume that Richard, Duke of York believed that Edward was his; he is unlikely to have claimed the throne for his descendants and willingly passed it on to another man’s son.

  • @louisekelleher620
    @louisekelleher620 5 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    She only wanted her brother back

  • @milliebrakewell6045
    @milliebrakewell6045 6 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Its so sad watching this on the anniversary of her death. R.I.P Maggie.

  • @bensonfang1868
    @bensonfang1868 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Fun fact: in the documentary about how the rightful king of England actually lives in Australia, she is the ancestor through which that man can claim to be the “rightful” king of England.

  • @moonshyne777
    @moonshyne777 6 ปีที่แล้ว +96

    I can’t believe they never made a movie about The Kings Curse by Philippa Gregory. An amazing book about this awe inspiring woman

    • @PriscillaMozart
      @PriscillaMozart 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I know, they put some of "The King's Curse" into Philippa Gregory's mini series on STARZ "The Spanish Princess" which used content from "The Constant Princess" and a little of "The King's Curse" But I would LOVE to see an entire series on "The King's Curse"!

    • @moonshyne777
      @moonshyne777 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Priscilla Mozart 1992 I completely agree I don’t think they did the book any justice at all in that show.

    • @moonshyne777
      @moonshyne777 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Theresa Nardino Yes I’m pretty sure everybody knows that...and that is why it’s called historical *fiction* Myself personally I really enjoy the books, She has an amazing way of bringing these historical figures to “life” and I particularly enjoy the audiobooks narrated by Bianca Amato. I have enjoyed many hours listening and becoming absorbed in the stories. But, you know the old saying..to each their own ;)

  • @rexrivers2220
    @rexrivers2220 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I swear to God this song was made for her

  • @ronaldjones5589
    @ronaldjones5589 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    She was Great, in the part, she in life, could have a wonderful life, her brother Teddy, next in line, she helped educate Princess ( Bloody) Mary, but her son still had feelings for the White Rose

  • @Tudleyn
    @Tudleyn 6 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Poor Girl 😔💔 she suffered too much

  • @coopsevy5664
    @coopsevy5664 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This hurts my soul for those 3rd party who is reading this you know why. God bless my family.

  • @coopsevy5664
    @coopsevy5664 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You can't imagine how much this hits home.. but I don't want it on unreadable there is no shame in who we are! Safe yes

  • @drifr7305
    @drifr7305 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    She was my 17th great grandmother, through her daughter Ursula Pole.

  • @lisawinter7842
    @lisawinter7842 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    So perfect 💗 Thank You 💕 💕

  • @donsarde
    @donsarde 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The appalling treatment of the Plantagenet Princess, Lady Margaret Pole and her poor young brother Edward. Bloody evil those usurper Tudors.

  • @gloriaregali9090
    @gloriaregali9090 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    They took the same actress to play her in "Spanish Princess"? Amazing!!!

  • @tessniemy4375
    @tessniemy4375 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Poor Edward. He was just a child

  • @margaritachernogorova5709
    @margaritachernogorova5709 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Трагедия вся ее жизнь и страшный конец на плахе.Прекрасно сделанная подборка.Поистине горе проигравшим.Дети Йорков всю жизнь платили за поражение .потерю короны

  • @RealTakerslady
    @RealTakerslady 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Margaret acted so miserable, poor special Teddy was the one who had it bad, at least Margaret had a nice husband.

    • @leahhart3585
      @leahhart3585 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      And her whole family killed. That’s pretty bad too. Including her son and grandson.

  • @hopebaratheon6429
    @hopebaratheon6429 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Saint Margaret Pole.❤

  • @louisekelleher620
    @louisekelleher620 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Amazing woman

  • @Axel-ll2jp
    @Axel-ll2jp 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Her descendants are in the throne today and in Sri Lanka 🇱🇰

  • @ameliaflynnhayes
    @ameliaflynnhayes ปีที่แล้ว

    Poor Margaret she went through so much she was torn between York and Tudor

  • @nnmm1261
    @nnmm1261 6 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Is she daughter of George Plantagenet and Isabel Neville?
    I saw the White Princess and I know that her brother died (poor Teddy 😢😢) but what happened to her parents?

    • @alinemoraes6523
      @alinemoraes6523 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Principe George Plantagenet was executed for treason

    • @growingstrong1009
      @growingstrong1009 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Yes , she was their daughter and therefor the granddaughter of Warwick the Kingmaker , amazing woman , so wished she could have become Queen Regnant

    • @vyotuong6115
      @vyotuong6115 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Isabel Neville died not long after giving birth to Teddy. George Plantagenet according to history was dawned in a massive tub of wine.

    • @LindaMeade
      @LindaMeade 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Not true. Isabel survived the birth of Teddy, yet died mere months after giving birth to her son Richard, who also died.
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabel_Neville,_Duchess_of_Clarence

    • @katialewinska3540
      @katialewinska3540 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@LindaMeade In The White Queen Isabel died after giving birth little Edward 😉 But in historical matter you're right. Isabel died after giving birth Richard.

  • @davidcrisell9679
    @davidcrisell9679 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Blessed Margaret...

  • @SG-pu3rx
    @SG-pu3rx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I really really despise Elizabeth for how she treated her family

  • @coopsevy5664
    @coopsevy5664 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I know why they hid! And still do! It's a history that the good remains good and the bad still wish to hurt them... You can't have them and they have and still have a king within a queen!

  • @msrainbowbrite
    @msrainbowbrite 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    If you murdered my brother you would have to be hopping mad to expect loyalty from me ... You would have signed your own death warrant. I don't understand why Elizabeth of York stood aside. Could she not have done SOMETHING? blood is on her hands too

    • @msrainbowbrite
      @msrainbowbrite 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@veravernetta i have the series, i am aware of how he acted. i still think Elizabeth could have done something to save his life. Removed him from court and taken to a country where he could live in peace

    • @msrainbowbrite
      @msrainbowbrite 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@veravernetta TWP is a fictional account of what happened in history. i am talking about the REAL history.

    • @teresaperrotta4122
      @teresaperrotta4122 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@msrainbowbrite I agree, Elizabeth became cruel & loyal to her king, Tudor. she watched his execution.

    • @teresaperrotta4122
      @teresaperrotta4122 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@veravernetta he was a boy, how insecure was she. send him into the country . he was no threat, just the king was insecure

    • @franjay5585
      @franjay5585 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Teresa Perrotta i think sir brackenbury (from the white queen) puts both the time and history in general very well ‘even young boys are a cause men are willing to die for’. He wasn’t a threat due to his scheming but he was simply a puppet who could be put on the thrown. Remember that the fear was of the nobility rising up as they had become too powerful for the crown to handle on their own. This can be seen with the stanleys who decided the result of bosworth

  • @emmy6653
    @emmy6653 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Make a video about Perkin, Pleaseee

  • @diegofragoso2441
    @diegofragoso2441 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ella tenia mas derechos a ser Reina que cualquier otro en esa epoca!!

  • @diegofragoso2441
    @diegofragoso2441 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Es tan hermosa esta mujer!!!!

  • @coopsevy5664
    @coopsevy5664 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This hurts they went into hiding guess what people THEY LIVED!!!

    • @Wiggys23
      @Wiggys23 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Respond Robin-maybe name, if Adams last, cousin-respond to Richard 6th-son of Thomas-Frederick Earl Edward,of,warwick-directly from little Duke Richard-my direct line-did not change this name-just civil war’d me.

  • @erishathha8879
    @erishathha8879 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    😢😢😢 ooh margaret 😢

  • @patriziavalentini4055
    @patriziavalentini4055 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Grande donna..coraggiosa

  • @michellemuir2249
    @michellemuir2249 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    @xxLornyTunesxx Are you going to add in Maggie clips from The Spanish Princess after it airs completely to this video?

    • @xxLornyTunesxx
      @xxLornyTunesxx  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I had thought of doing another video of her including the Spanish Princess and The Tudors

    • @michellemuir2249
      @michellemuir2249 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      xxLornyTunesxx Okay can’t wait to see what you come up with!! I love your videos. Also how do you get the clips you need for the videos? And what editing software do you use?

  • @perrinelegall4959
    @perrinelegall4959 ปีที่แล้ว

    Magaret me fait de la peine elle voulait être heureuse et même ca elle ne le pouvait pas

  • @Wiggys23
    @Wiggys23 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Certainly did not die like that. Tudor was her cousin and friend growing up. Richard reigned until_____ for later.

  • @tchang507
    @tchang507 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Get footage from Spanish princess and the tudors also

  • @dsa60
    @dsa60 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    😣😥😣😥😢😢

  • @Wiggys23
    @Wiggys23 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Like in Series, underrated, Maggie, Pole-House of Plantagenet, now Robertson-WoodGuard of york, is bideing-correct, her time, Thinking RichardEarlWarwick, is wrong that ONE VOICE, can CHANGE THE WORLD

  • @juliadawnyel3648
    @juliadawnyel3648 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    So sad

  • @coopsevy5664
    @coopsevy5664 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why did this family change there name and not stand for there rights.. Do you know how hard they would create human life for there descendants for the lives with in to come..

  • @SuperAlkibiades
    @SuperAlkibiades 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Margaret Plantagenet was 1540 70 years olt in fil 30 ?

  • @Wiggys23
    @Wiggys23 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What if I told you there are more than a few York Roses out there.

  • @yaboyed5779
    @yaboyed5779 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    She was Margaret Pole in real life right?

    • @SG-pu3rx
      @SG-pu3rx 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      No, Pole is her husband's last name. She is Margaret Plantagenet, a daughter of York.

  • @busrauygun239
    @busrauygun239 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Who is she ?

    • @sahratudor
      @sahratudor 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Margaret Pole. Elizabeth of York’un kuzeni. Edward IV’ın da yeğeni.

  • @ceciliaranfagni211
    @ceciliaranfagni211 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Non sono io no no