Polygamy, child marriage, Uniform Civil Code checked with data for Hindus & Muslims
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This is a super-charged election season, and Karnataka is just the start. The BJP, which has long espoused the Uniform Civil Code, has included it in its Karnataka manifesto, and Assam CM Himanta Biswa Sarma says his state is exploring a ban on polygamy, which is allowed under Islamic law and also practised by certain tribes. But where exactly does polygamy stand in India, and does the ‘Hum 5, Humare 25’ brouhaha add up? In Ep 1229 of Cut The Clutter, Editor-in-Chief Shekhar Gupta parses official data to offer some answers.
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ShekharBhai you are Too Smart by Twisting Statistics to prove your Secularism... as there are 3 type of Lie.... Lies... DamLies & Statistics.... .!!
Why only a Majab are given so many Exception off being Privileged of the Social Evils for allowing Polygamy having Multiple Marriage, even with an UndeAged so in turn Responsible for Population Explosion....its a Known Fact with a Pride !!
If ShekharBhai if the Fats&Figurs are Authentic as Claimed by YourSelf, then there is No Point of Opposing UNIFORM CIVIL CODE {UCC}.... why too have Multiple Laws making BharatDesh an Exception in the Name of Secularism.... or else gives EveryOne the Same Privilege too All HinduStani's ??
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@ 7:41 Hindus and Muslims has declining birth rates... This looks like a whitewash, and trying to hide facts. If it is a "rate" it has to be same then only we should equate. 🛑🛑🛑🛑🛑
Shekhar Gupta:
Problem with the Journalist like you think have specalization of such "exception".
Dear Sekhar Sir, congratzz for the effort which you take to defend WITH DATA that the so called prejudice against muslims when it comes to their intention of islamisation of India by procreation. Now, I would like to bring your attention to the fact that can you bring in such a data based defense in relegious conversion of YOUNG GIRLS alteast from 2005- 2020( that was when it was rampant in Sothern part of India) between the age group 16-35 ( being the marriagable age) as well as boys ot the same age category from hinduism to islam as well as christianity to islam. Of course the other way round also. Can we start with kerala and then you can move on to pan india basis. So that the so called propaganda movies like "Kerala story" will naturally find its place....do you care to...
I agree with most of the things, but i disagree that polygamy is not a big problem. Let's say there are 800 million adults extrapolated in survey and let's say half are women, that would mean 4 million women are in polygamous marriages. So it's a huge problem in all communities.
Yes, this is true. 4 million is a big number. The impact of absolute on percentage. This is not equal law for Muslim men and women. Means women cannot have more husband's (polyandry) and men get that privilege.
Don't understand how polygamy is a population problem though...If 4 women are married to 4 men and say they have 4 children each..If 4 women are married to 1 man, chances are they'll have less than 16 children....way less... The population problem, i don't think is due to polygamy, but more so due to reluctance in using birth control.... that is where the focus should be on...
@@keerthichandra40 Yes, polygamy is not population issue. It is moral and women rights issue.
@@keerthichandra40 it is issue cuz with 4 women, 4 kids would born in 9 months 8 in 18 months 16 in 36 months. With one women it would take 16 years non stop. Women fertility reduce by 45th year. Means more production in less time. They do inter family s*x too. Means more men involved than just one. Power of compounding. It also favors love jihad ideology
You people are zero in understanding careful planned conspiracy used by non-partitioned muzziess since 47. Aisa in logo ne Mohd ke time se kiya so that non muzlies dont get women to marry and they could raise army of children. Its clearly against basic morals.
@keerthichandra40 he didn't mean it is a population issue, he meant it is a gender ratio issue. If one man married 5 women and there are already less women in society as this kind of society is inherently patriarchal, that means there are way less women available for eligible men. Only class, money or other characteristics like physical looks will get a bride and a large population will be deprived.
If polygamy is not being practiced at all , then why would anyone have a problem with banning it
Why should LGBTQ marriages be banned, and why polygamy should not be banned there are hindus who are getting converted to Muslims just cos there is polygamy in Muslim laws.
@@thewhitedeath9350 why are u bringing lgbtq in this??? Have they done any harm to you?
Its not like only muslims practice polygamy, hindus also do. So i don't think they are specifically targeting on muslim communities , even if its we have every right to speak up . And UCC HAS to be implemented to focus on the main issues india is facing. Its a really diverse country but also it is causing a lot of conflicts between communities. We need a law to bring us all together . Well a law wouldn't actually help unless people change their mentality
@@kavyak9700Arman malik for example
For a so called secular country India has a lot of Contradictions, the Govt funding religious schools of one community, Taxes places of worship of one community but exempts for another community, runs a govt religious agency of a particular community that can go and grab whatever land based on flimsy pretexts, has separate laws for different communities, has reservations for particular religions. the list goes on.
ShekharBhai you are Too Smart by Twisting Statistics to prove your Secularism... as there are 3 type of Lie.... Lies... DamLies & Statistics.... .!!
Why only a Majab are given so many Exception off SharayLaws by giving Privileged of the Social Evils for allowing Polygamy having Multiple Marriage, even with an UndeAged so in turn Responsible for Population Explosion....its a Known Fact with a Pride !!
If ShekharBhai if the Fats&Figurs are Authentic as Claimed by YourSelf, then there is No Point of Opposing UNIFORM CIVIL CODE {UCC}.... why too have Multiple Laws making BharatDesh an Exception in the Name of Secularism.... or else gives EveryOne the Same Privilege too All HinduStani's under UCC... ??
Liberals always turn as always turn a blind eye to those
Very true. Modi is of no use, he couldn’t do anything for last 8 years
very true but underrated observation! we dont have contradictions, we're shooting ourselves repeatedly only on one foot - the non-islamic/non-christian one - to the advantage of the non-'hindu' groups that're gleefully watching the fun.
Saurel there is no secularism for in India..govt is mooking Hindus fools .. that's it
*Uniform Civil Code & Population Control Bill must be Implemented as soon as possible*
Chal be.
@@70newlifeou will be put in jail pacca. There will be 1 lakh bounty over you pigs which will ensure that we will get info as soon as you pigs do child marriage or marry more than 1 and breed like pigs.
I don't think population control bill is required. No one can implement such a law and it is also very counter-intuitive. Instead the focus should be on reforming education system and skilling the youth on a large scale so that they can participate in the economy.
Chup ray nashedi...pahele nashabandi ho ni chahiye
So you like to bend over to government? Why forcing others? 😂
One country, one law. Thats the direction we should be moving into. If everyone is doing the their own thing, how can you expect the country to move in same direction.
What direction
Will that law have the same punishments for a person and a business entity??
Will that law treat a contractor and a tribal in the same way for cutting trees??
Your 'one size fits all' philosophy was tested by an 'Adolf' about 90 years back. Are the history books still talking about it?
Thats a first great step to one country one king. Muslims want Khilafat hindus want a hindu kingdom. Both want to oppress the less priviledged.
However as people get more educated and empowered your kind of people will be thrown to the fringe.
@@tu2oon I have never heard such nonsense in my life. Shame on you for saying such a thing and spitting on the graves of 6 million Jews. Adolf never had equal laws for people on the basis of religion. THAT WAS THE ENTIRE POINT OF HIS REGIME.
Uniform Civil Code is need of the hour... It will be implemented. The only party which has balls to implement UCC is BJP
I am disappointed with SG that even he took the easier route. The question is not who practices polygamy in reality. Anyone practicing polygamy illegally must be punished. The real question to be asked is: Why should any religious community have that privilege? If I start a new religion and say that the followers of my religion can have 10 wives, will that be accepted?
A real liberal democracy is one where all citizens are treated equally. No extra privileges just based on which family one is born into.
wow this is perhaps the stupidest arguement i have read this week.
Absolutely.. religion or not, we need a uniform civil code. We shouldn't let young girls and boys of any community be coerced to marry at a young age.
First line is more ideological biased rather than fact . 1) BJP strongest poll pitch is NOT polarization but Non currupt , Infrastructure and National security . Polarization is just value add services. 2) On other hand polarization is strongest for non BJP parties like Congress , TMC etc . If you want Muslims to vote en bloc for you , this is biggest polarization pitch .
Hope I helped correct Mr Shekhar and his readers here . Rest is ideological bending that’s it . Thanks .
So much for SG not mixing opinions with facts.
non corrupt? really?? Lamao😂😂
You are just another pa8d tout of BJP. BJP cannot win a single election without Muslim bashing, Pakistan Bashing and creating fear psychosis among nincompoops like you of the muslims.
You vote BJP bcoz you hate Indians. Full stop.
@@2010sourabhNobody is "not corrupt", but the general perception is that BJP is less corrupt than congress. What's the truth that we don't really know but people never bought into the Chowkidar Chor narrative but certainly accepted the 2G, coalgate, CWG stories
@@illzn06 perception depends on ur mindset i m from Karnataka and in Karnataka bjp 40% comission is a norm. its as corrupt as congress if not more.
What non-sense ?? Even if the number is ONE person, its wrong. We definitely need law for this
stupid statement
@siddharthsriram2685
You should feel ashamed to justify Child marriages in this age and times. EVery society undergoes a change and those who opposed remains Toads under Stone age.
@Siddharth Sriram 😂😂abdul beta real id se aa😂my boy got facts from madarsachap university 🤣 btw such hatred is very rare to see keep it up maybe it is helping you in some ways or you are just a keyboard warrior 😂 bhagwan aapko satbuddhi de 🧡
I'm still not able to wrap my head around his way of using TFR to negate polygamy.....
My counterpoint or questions:
TFR by defination means the number of children a woman would have.
That leads to two situations, let's say TFR is 2.0:
In monogamy relation: woman produces two baby, which means that two person (wife and husband) produces two child.
In polygamy relationship: ( let's take an example of 4 wife )
4 women will produce 8 child, which means a group of 5 person is producing 8 offspring.
So my point is in both the cases TFR is 2.0 ......but whereas in monogamous relationship the ratio will remain 1:1, but in polygamous it will be 1:1.6
Hence a question arises, we call TFR of 2 as replacement, because we think that 2 people are producing 2 babies, but isn't this concept nullified in polygamous marriage?
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Don't confuse the issue by redefining in terms of a couple. TFR is just related to how many kids a woman is having. Whether married to different men or to one man doesn't make a difference.
If there are only 5 men and 5 women in the world (10 people in total), let's assume. And let's say a woman can have only 1 children in a year because it takes about a year (9 months for pregnancy and 3 months breastfeeding etc.) to have a child.
1st Scenario:
1 man married to 5 women. Other men would have no wife cuz there are only 5 women.
So, if this one man impregnates all of his wives then they would all give birth to 1 child in this year.
Total children: 5
2nd Scenario:
1 man married to 1 woman. So that all 5 men are married to only 1 women. (So all people are married in this case)
Each women gets pregnant by her husband and give birth to 1 child.
Total children: 5
Basically how many children would be born only depends on how many women are getting pregnant. Now if 1 man is impregnating 1 woman or 5 women doesn't matter. Only the number of women getting pregnant matters.
How UCC can be polarizing 😮
He said about vote bank
It sort of says the constitution itself is polarizing.
@@bimald1 Yes constitution is polarizing is the perfect proof that India is a "Faxist" country.
It is polarising because in the way it will be implemented. It will sold as a revenge taken by Hindus to Muslims, passed without any constructive discussion and criticism.
Hum panch humara pachis is the slogan jumla party push is the reason for UCC . But numbers do not match up with it
Nice to hear Muslims are such model citizens from you Shekhar Gupta. I don't think they should have a problem with UCC in such a case.
Sarcasm in the air. 😂
Please read Hadees in Islam. It allows sex with anyone whose milk one has not taken. It allows sex with sister, daughter, aunty, even mother if one has not taken her milk. That is why Mohammad asked ayesha to feed her milk to any male who visits her. Mohammad himself had sex with dead body of his aunty for her Sunnat ..going to heaven....
Show me a draft of UCC and we can debate
@A I’m not questioning the demand for UCC, I am asking for exact details and wording of the law. Please read my comment again.
How about eating beef? You shouldn't have problem with that either under UCC!
“…Moves are meant to trap them” ? C’mon Shekhar nobody is being “trapped”. These are common sense reforms any thinking person should support. Words matter, language matters.
Because many pseudo liberals support polygamy in the name of religious freedom which is just outrageous.
Smart man can read intention of person from his words.
@abhishekchadha You are smart to see his intention of appeasing a community
I am offended by the use of the word Trap. It gives away your position and as a senior journalist you must guard against using irresponsible words.
Shekhar is secular and hence any reforms to bring about moderation to radical Islamic laws is seen by him as traps
@@youthink5552 exactly
Quite insightful as always but I wonder why basic human considerations - marriage age and polygamy are seen with Hindu-muslim lens? Can we not have a secular narrative in the analysis to analyse how essential its for india to reform such laws to meet its aspirations? Furthermore, how india compares on these laws against major countries?
ShekharBhai you are Too Smart by Twisting Statistics to prove your Secularism... as there are 3 type of Lie.... LIE'S; DAM-LIES & STATISTICS.... .!!
Why only a Majab are given so many Exception off SharayLaws by giving Privileged of the Social Evils for allowing Polygamy having Multiple Marriage, even with an UndeAged so in turn Responsible for Population Explosion....its a Known Fact with a Pride !!
If ShekharBhai if the Fats&Figurs are Authentic as Claimed by YourSelf, then there is No Point of Opposing UNIFORM CIVIL CODE {UCC}.... why too have Multiple Laws making BharatDesh an Exception in the Name of Secularism.... or else gives EveryOne the Same Privilege too All HinduStani's under UCC... ??
We as a country never spoke on secular lines, it was caste before and religion now
The law is made on religious lines.
Sucker if some change comes it always is amended only in common law which governs Hindus without caring about their beliefs
But our lawmakers don't try to change personal Christian or Muslim law ( so much for secularism)
Why this is not a issue. Polygamy dehumanizes women, imagine giving your daughter to a man with already 3 wives. What would the respect be of her. And the man can use other women as leverage and give fewer and fewer rights.
The issue is just not polygamy but low status of women in Islam which results in her being illiterate , making her a baby making machine for political purposes and then she loses inheritance rights, child rights and even divorce laws are against her(even after removing instant talaq).
Over time this will result in Islamist takeover just like in Egypt or Lebanon.
So you are basically naive.
Muslims are a minority in India only by technicality. 300 million people is by no means a minority. India is a country of two majorities. And unless both majorities take equal responsibility, the country will not progress.
I am sharing personal experience - i have a muslim friend, his father has 3 wives and total 11 childrens and production is still continuing. In census 2011 his father have told that he had only one wife even the teacher who came to take details knows he has 3 wives. So automatically his 2 wives and 7 children vanished.
But,now they are facing problem, now as adhaar is made compulsory so he is forced to make adhaarcard for all his family members and know he is worried that govt will know all his details,this is the main reason why we have seen there was nationwide protest for CAA and NCR.
No doubt you are a true BJP supporter. Bcoz you are making up a story here just for self gratification, this trait is found in all compulsive liars. like the hinfutva supporters. No religion or religious party can survive without lies.
Do you have any evidence that this is happening on a large scale? Otherwise it is foolish to take personal experiences as being wide ranging phenomenon. There are many Pakistani's who wrongly believe that Hindu's regularly bath in cow urine and ingest cow feces after seeing a couple videos on the internet, we should not be so quick to assume our personal experiences are reflective of society as a whole
@@merebaap8370everyone who doesn't agree with me is a liar reeeeee 🤡
@@merebaap8370 so you mean to say that all Muslims have one wife?
Hindu mens right to have more than one wife was taken away by parliament.
That speaks volume of the communal character of our laws
@@amritpalsingh3293 So you are unhappy bcoz you cannot marry more than one. Any ways you can still enjoy by having a keep. By the way do you have step brothers and step sisters? By the way you are lamenting you wish you had.
Shekhar jee, i like your statistical episodes.
can you do an episode showing the statistics showing inter caste hindu marriages,
Hindu-muslim marriages depicting number of of hindu/muslim men marrying muslim/hindu women and other combination with Christians.
And you can show it from the time of independence broken by decades.
That would be helpful too.
Another statistics regarding conversions.
And if we can break up by states, it would be great.
At least Indians would get the real picture of whats really happening.
This would also probably help removing a label of being a Muslim apologist at every step.
There can be no Hindu-Muslim marriage since Islam does not recognise marriage to a Kafir. The person needs to convert or the marriage is not valid in Islam
There are no such statistics. Nobody has. All we have is anecdotal evidence. And only Kerala govt collected statistics where 90% inter religion marriages happen between Hindu girls and Muslim boys.
The fact that Kerala and West Bengal becoming Muslims majority states is enough for the alarm to rise but Hindus are as usually sleeping and denying reality.
West Bengal after partition nearly had 85% Hindus now 70%
Kerala was 68% Hindu now 45-50% barely.
Sometimes I feel we as Hindus deserve that.
You can refer to the pew survey. Shekhar sir has a cut the clutter episode on that
You have given many interesting suggestions, Rohit. I will look into them. Thank you for writing in...best wishes, Shekhar
@@ThePrintIndia but will only show if it protrays Hindus in bad light or will skew it so that it shows Hindus in a bad light.
One country one law. Thats it
@vina vidai Yeah I would be happy if everything becomes same
If the Polygamy rate in Assam and Bengal is twice that of national average is that not a problem. You can’t whitewash it by saying it’s barely different. Similarly you can’t say the fertility rates are barely different. There is a statistical significance in the difference and ucc will help close the gap. One polygamous household is one too many. At 1% polygamous households we are still talking about millions
Thsi happens when you consider a population of 20-25 crores , a minority
Your first sentence struct me, boss!
@@ThePradeepKumar Did you not see that Jammu Kashmir which has the highest Muslim population had the lowest percentage of polygamous marriage compared to other states?
And Tribal districts have the Highest percentage.
Why are you implying that only Muslims have higher number of polygamous marriage when data clearly shows that Some tribal states have the highest numbers?
Why did you singling out Assam and Bengal? GIve some love to Arunachal too.
I don’t see the point in this statistics. In medieval India with the exception of Rajputs only 0.1% widows were following Sati practice. So it should not have been banned ? A wrong practice must be banned. Laws should universal for all irrespective of religion
I disagree.
I question is not if its significant enough to change the demography.
That problem is that even if only 1 such case exist its wrong, and state is giving legal sanction to it.
Its like saying, ohh Percentage of murderer is very less and not significant enough, so State shoud decriminalize it.😊
You are forgetting that you are talking at a population level. Just let people have their religious belief, only change the things that affect other people. You having 5 wives is none of my problem. But change the rules to control corruption, injustice, empowering people (way too much power with police, administration and politician), if a policeman stops you or wife in the middle of the night then you are more worried than feeling relaxed. India still ranks poor and lower than china and afganistan in press freedom, ranks lower than afganistan, Pakistan and sun-Saharan countries in hunger index. My wife is a Chinese, when I travel to china, I never get afraid of Chinese police or state (all I have to do is to nit criticise the CCP, which is non of my business. I also don’t feel insecure when staying in Dubai (all I need to do is respect their culture and constitution). Once a boy misbehaved with my wife (who is from china) outside the delhi airport, I ended up having heated debate with him and called the nearby standing police who did nothing to that boy, so I went to his senior in the cabin who tried to calm me down but ended up telling me to suck it up and that my wife shouldn’t feel bad as it’s normal in their culture (all the Indians feel that their culture is the best but their have the highest rate of incest and rape in their society, an Indian boy finding a girl in a middle of road at night looks at her like a sexual prey rather than thinking about helping. I came to know that the boy who misbehaved with my wife was a son of politician. No politician even in communist country like china can escape the rule or constitution unlike India. (Practically, India need democracy like china or Dubai rather than a false democracy.
@@audreychen5363But you having 5 wives and more children is problematic for me considering you not only exempted from paying more taxes but can also get shared from mine.
The real question is why are such inhumane practices even allowed.
The question of whether any particular community is allowed or not is not at all important.
Laws were passed by men alone and all religious leaders are men. Not so strange really to keep women subjugated. God also happens to be a man!!! Mysterious
@@agnescraig2912 Fair enough.
True
@@agnescraig2912God is light and energy(noor) it is genderless.We don't believe in stone godss and animal godss
How is it inhumane? Ya whatsapp university se order aaya?
If as Shekhar has said that polygamy is not that prevalent in practice among the Muslim population, why should there be any resistance to striking it off the law books? Why have this exception?
Whenever there is change in status quo of any situation, two sets of opinions develop one having fear of changing status quo that opinion need to be educated about the reform aspect, second opinion is beneficiary of the status quo who are more vocal and against to the change in status quo and this opinion need to be ignored but given these times this opinion is getting more space in prime debate
Polarization trick
Bang on !!
@@mallipudimahendra2164 Yes. And salafi or wahabi interpretation of Islam is spreading rapidly because of the internet and TH-cam. And it is making people a bit extreme in their religious practice.
@@person1420 yes but previously salafi Islam is supported by West Asian nations and now they are not supporting anymore after the rise of Isis and changing geo political and geo strategic situations and this TH-cam videos of salafi can be controlled easily
Shekhar sir, big fan here. You usually manage to ask the right questions. But I must say-- this episode is apalling for anyone who appreciates the rigors of math and logic. I do hope you receive some much-needed, objective feedback about your data interpretation from competent statisticians whom you trust.
The magic of number. The 50% difference in TFR seems small but when extrapolated to huge population, with the annual difference adding, it make huge difference
What is apalling? The data is from the government. Stop spreading whatsapp forwards from WA University.
Appalling how?
So true
@@iamvik04 appalling because it assumes that all his viewers are mathematically challenged
A stand against child marriage is appreciable. Really appreciable. If BJP is so clear on it, why does His Excellency The Governor of TN have an opposite stand?
Please read Hadees in Islam. It allows sex with anyone whose milk one has not taken. It allows sex with sister, daughter, aunty, even mother if one has not taken her milk. That is why Mohammad asked ayesha to feed her milk to any male who visits her. Mohammad himself had sex with dead body of his aunty for her Sunnat ..going to heaven....
Can we stop arguing whether it's a problem or not. If polygamy is a problem, then it needs to be addressed and if it's not a problem then no one should care if it's banned. Let's ban it and move on to more significant issues like education, healthare, inflation and unemployment to name a few.
If less than 1% of the people are engaged in polygamy, why is anybody protesting it’s ban?
If in a country, only less than 0.05% people are murderers, then should there not be any law to punish them as the number is very insignificant? (Not comparing killing with anything else, understand the point)
So, what’s your problem if something not happening is banned? 😊
For a person(Mr SG) who says data can be played around with absolutes and percentages, in the entire episode never once used absolutes. What is 2% of 30 crores? How on earth is that a small number by any mean? How on earth even a single child marriage can be justified? In the modern era, how a polygamy or child marriage can be explained if not for ecosystem’s 60+ year appeasement politics? Very very disappointing episode for a person who puts himself and his channel on a higher pedestal.
I think he was trying to show that this is not a Hindu-Muslim issue.
It is Muslim Community fault if they don`t do hard work to earn more to contribute more in the GDP and don`t educate themselves and contribute to the Sciences .
For first data set, population is also increased from 1980 to 2021.
So even on percentage basis, it get half but on actual basis, it is not half as population increased.
So their might be a possibility that actually it is increasing on absolute number in 2021 compare to 1980.
Spot on as the population of India today is highest in the world. People just gloss over this by saying the population of India has stabilised. What about the job situation, hunger index, lack of sanitation, water electricity and the list is endless
@@agnescraig2912 Population of India is predicted to be stabilized by 2030. From then on it would start falling.
Shekhar why is it so difficult to admit that looking at Pakistan, similar community in INDIA would have been in similar economic stress had it not been for educated and hardworking Hindus.
Shekhar no one is born with a radicalised mindset, however excessive religious indoctrination wherein the community is getting radicalised is surely moving INDIA towards a Pakistan like situation
You are right ... Pakistan wouldve been a totally differente country if it had just 30% Hindus even. But no. They got greedy and now no one wants to work. Just a country full of wannabe sultans who cant work for an hour straight.
Indiyya is already a hindutvvva controlled primitive radicalized mind
Child marriages have been a tradition and custom in India. How about making a law on what a person can eat, how many hours a person can sleep, what a person should wear and where a person can travel. It looks stupid and so is the UCC.
It would be good if ucc is implemented, since a lot of western countries follow similar rules. Only point is ucc needs to be implemented with less noise and high effectiveness.
SG, If everything is just normal than what is problem in implementing UCC. Let everyone be equal.
If everything is normal then bringing UCC wouldn't change anything. If people are not having polygamous marriage then having it illegal or legal wouldn't matter.
It is a moral issue though. So, it still matters.
For sekhar gupta parsis and hebrews jains are not minority .but muslims and christians are minority. He is a khangress man .❤😊😊😊😊
I am failing to understand the conclusions...
1. there are 29.3 crore married women in india
2. As per Shekar 1.2% answered their husbands have other wives which means nearly 35lakhs people have more wives than one.
3. this is huge number even by 2016 standards ....very huge. HOW CAN SHEKARJI SAY THIS IS OKE or insignificant.
Uniform civil code, child marriage laws and polygamy law are good laws and EMPOWER WOMEN. They should be
eliminated by education and persuasion.Religion is irrelevant. BJP is not polarizing the country by arguing for good laws. That is reading tea leaves.
Polygamy has decreased across religions, as per the NFHSs. The most apt reason I can think of is the increasing cost of having families. Marrying is no more a religious or personal choice; it's more of a financial choice.
If Polygamy is not a big issue for Muslims, why librandus are getting triggered?
The logic of interfering with minority laws is flawed. A secular state must treat people as individuals. It should not treat them as a member of a certain group.
Bald is also, appeasing left journalists.
I think we should also make such surveys about dowry as well.
If in most the cases both parties in the marriage deny giving dowries , we should start petitioning for legalizing the dowry system
Just like with polygamy and chikd marriages. That would make our country super secular, and also we should start looking into sati , suucides as well, iand start taking votes on such issue, if all these seem have comedown,
Wee shud legalize these as well.
I hope i made it clear why polygamy n child marriages need to be banned, and divorce laws should be secularised
Even if murder rate come down to zero , we still need anti murder laws.
Muslim Data is not fully right. Many people not showing all children in documents.Majority of Muslim have 2++ including Engineer doctor Muslim have 3+ children. UP originated Muslim view that they marry many women so we give them food and home and they working in American Europe uk.
It doesn't matters if it's reducing, getting less or even zero .. Legally no one should be allowed to marry/sex with a male/female of any caste , religion/ less than 18 (that's child abuse ) . Polygamy can have some discussion .
Here is quick math on why Fertility Rate doesnt explain away the need for UCC --->
1 hindu / other faith man + 1 wife @ 2 kids per wife = 2 kids / 2 people = ratio of 1:1
1 muslim man + 2 wife @ 2 kids per wife = 4 kids / 3 people = ratio of 1.33:1
This ratio becomes even more stark as you keep increasing the number of wives. Plain math, cant be disputed!
That doesn't make any sense.
There are around equal number of men and women in the world.
So lets say there are 2 men and 2 women in the world. (So only 4 people are in the world in total)
Let's say
1man marries 2 women. Then the other man would remain single forever. And every women has 2 kids.
So total kids: 4
Let's say
1 man marries 1 woman and the other man marries the other woman.
Now both women have 2 kids.
So total kids: 4
So in both cases no. of kids would be the same. No matter if a man married 1 woman or 2 women. Because it is the women that get pregnant and give birth.
It doesn't matter if they are getting impregnated by a man who is impregnating other women too. It only matters that women are getting pregnant. Okay.
Sekhar ji's logic when other parties woo muslim votes its called secularism, when BJP does it is called polarization.
This is literally reducing humans to percentages and numbers without actually discussing about the philosophical/moral aspect of polygamy..
I agree with you that polygemy is a small percentage and has been declining but even a small percentage in India is a huge number, and also it should not be a political hot button but i think should be a social hot button and if the child marraige and polygemy are not a big issue then whats the problem UCC should be applied. I think that both the mojority and minority communitites are evolved enough since the numbers have been declining that its time to adopt the UCC.
if you go by the numbers then hindus also marry just once, why have a law for them? regardless of wether it is a problem or not the law has to be the same for all communities. or else, there should be no law at all.
Shekhar ji, please explain your audience about number of Hindus and Muslims and Christians childs births taken place in Kerala in last 1 year. And ratio of religion wise tfr age of women who give birth to them.
The video lacked visuals that might have helped when Shekhar uncle read the data. I'd like to see more of tabular or chart format data... It would have been easier to relate then. Nevertheless, super analysis, as always.
Thank you, Mayank. We will look to improve our graphics. Thanks for watching and writing in...best wishes, Shekhar
CAA Protest, Kisan andolan, Pension scheme Protest, Students protest, agniveer Protest, female wrestlers protest. >.< 🇮🇳
Idea is to have uniform laws, and not about reading politics in it. If it is good for women & society it should be done.
If polygamy is not a problem, then it should be easy to repeal it, right?
Why show data by state instead of showing by religion, which is what people are interested in, especially in this case? And anyway what is 6.1% of Meghalaya? 1.77 crore.
What is 0.9% of Uttar Pradesh? 2.07 crores! Isn't that more than Meghalaya? How can you just brush it off and then claim to be "unhyphenated"?
Polarisation by uniform civil code is a brilliant statement.Intellect of highest order.How can you make things unequal by making them equal?
forget BJP, what are the cons of having Uniform Civil Code other than inconveniencing the personal laws and its proponents. I think SG should make a detailed video about it. I think India needs it.
Regardless of any data or any analysis..If time has not come yet to give the women equal rights as men then when it will come? If a woman enjoys more secure marraige(one marraige at a time) and have a small family so that she can grow her personality throughout her life.And having a small family ,girl child is also having more probability to gain good education and quality life.
Only if there are good in laws.
1% with India's population implies a huge amount of people. So take the percentage with a grain of salt.
Can Sikkim be called tribal? Isn't it mostly Nepali Hindu?
Even if all birth rates are decreasing,, what is the rate of decline.. Other way is by way of conversions. In India only Hindus are under the threat of conversions and not other way round. Can you pls make a episode on conversions..
This is not about percentage sir. It is about giving equal status to Muslim women, similar to other women. If you look into dowry cases /deaths percentage also, you will get similar number, it does not mean that dowry is not a problem. Currently, Hindu women have the protection of law for dowry but Muslim women don't have the same against polygamy. If they want to complain, where will they go.
Similarly, inheritance rights, divorce alimony are totally in favor of men contrary to other Hindu laws which favor/equalize women.
This is must needed reform but Muslim women should come together to voice for that. Because pseudoliberals and intellectuals will not come until they (muslim women) start screaming.
This actually big data analysis. Love this episode. Thanks For your deep analysis and share actual facts.
The anchor smartly undermines the higher rate of growth of the Muslim population by adding a rider telling that Muslims' rate of growth is slightly higher than the Hindu rate of growth. Anchor deliberately hide certain information from people. Anchor must tell the audience how not only in India but almost in every non-Muslim nation, the Muslim rate of growth is higher than native population. Why it's so? Can anyone neglect the religious angle.
Because most Muslims in the world are poor. And poor people have more kids.
It is important to note that population growth rates can be influenced by various factors, including social, economic, cultural, and educational factors. It is not accurate or fair to solely attribute population growth differences to religious factors. Population growth rates can vary due to factors such as fertility rates, mortality rates, migration patterns, socio-economic conditions, and access to healthcare and education.
Drawing conclusions solely based on religious angles may oversimplify complex demographic trends and can perpetuate stereotypes or biases. It is important to approach discussions about population growth rates with a nuanced understanding of the multiple factors that contribute to these trends.
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most non muslim countries do have muslim growth rate but its mostly due to immigration. yeah sure they do reproduce more than western nation couples but its not that high.
Also, the fertility rate of bangladesh, an almost completely islamic country is less than India. So think about that.
Shekhar is missing the point. It's not about Hindu -Muslim , but about women's right. IF men and women are equal under the constitution then polygamy should not exist.
The high incidence in southern states is certainly curious, and goes against the trend of better economic indicators = better social indicators.
I think it also because you need more money to have more wives and children. Especially since in India women don't participate in the labor force as much and also because if they were they would be independent and wouldn't marry a man with other wives.
@@person1420But main problem is the laws being religion specific. No Hindu, Sikh or Buddhist text ban polygamy then why it's unconstitutional.
No one should justify murder saying its less than 1% .
Make sensible and equal personal laws and then the local and religious customs can be built on top of those fair principles.
Khan Market gang is active now defending usual community
Lies dam lies and then Statistics Shekarji what was the population of Muslims in Bengal , Kerala and Assam just after Independence and what it is now?
How would you use statistics to explain that
Sir don't waste your data analytics skills to defend regressive practices in Islam. Being journalist u should defend constitutional principles not regressive practices of Islamists. There should be one law for all in India based on principles of equality and justice for all religions and genders alike.
Polygamy is probably higher in states like Assam and WB because there is large influx of illegal Bangladeshi immigrants. Geography also matters.
5:25 Not marriage. But , in many areas, some form of informal engagement is done much much earlier. So the two person have a idea that they will likely get married after college.
UCC will do a lot of good. In many tribal communities fathers can't give their inheritance to their daughters.
Is he saying that India is progressing? Backhanded compliment! So if polygamy is not a big issue, banning it should be easy. Same with marriage age!! Also, I thought most of the tribes were converted to Christianity. I don’t understand polygamy in them. Irrespective, one nation one law makes sense. Why stop at personal laws, it should extend to taxing of places of worship. If temples are under Govt control then all religious places should be. Or none at all. Same with education institutes. That would make us truly secular!! Otherwise it is just hogwash!
Thank you for the very informative video Shekharji. I was aware of these facts in bits and pieces but you have brought them together very succinctly in a single video. Sadly our mainstream media channels have totally abandoned their role of questioning the government in power regardless of political persuasion. It is also an excellent counter to the flippant way some people raise these issues as a way to demonize Muslims in India. Unfortunately many of them are incapable of accepting facts and figures because they are firmly rooted by their prejudices. The BJP seems to have run out of the ability to run of their record as evidenced by the campaign they ran in Karnataka. If they conduct a rational post mortem of their defeat in Karnataka they might be able to learn something from the strategy employed by the Congress party but the politics of nationalism and polarization is easier, more alluring and frankly, lazy, but devastatingly effective.
Still waiting for your CTC on #sheeshmahal scam
I think it will be useful to read the graph by how much the percentage of marriages (in every category of year of marriage) are converting to polygamy across different surveys. That will be a true picture of how Indian society is improving in terms of polygamy. We are not considering how polygamy is trending with every increasing period of marriage.
My husband's Muslim assistant lost her father recently due to heart attack . H 3:19 is son in law married again when his daughter was with him for her first delivery and had a baby daughter. Please don't expect me to not support the UCC if it is intended.
Sir... regarding the data what u are not covering is that even though the birth rate in all communities is declining, but in how much time a minority community will become majority with the same rate
Hindus and BJP politicians have gotten a wrong interpretation of the Islamic Sharia law on polygamy. It's not compulsory to have more than one wife. The law only allows those who are in need to have more than one wife. Therefore, the uniform code is not a serious concern for Muslims in India. Those who are in need can have more wives without going through registration as the Hindus practice now.
Couldn’t manage one wife 😅 … Ran away within four years !!
Four wives 🤣 …
Tmrw is the KTK results. I can guarantee that neither BJP nor the INC will score a 0. Ours is a two-party system (more correctly, two alliance system). The intervals may vary, but power will rotate only between these two forces. Both parties have a dedicated voter base. For BJP, it is the Hindutva vote, and for INC, it is the Muslim voter base. The trump cards are held by the "First time" and loyalty-shifting "Floating" voter. All other issues are meaningless.
मुझे लगता हैं कि SG ने इन सब data के नाम पर एक बहुत बड़ा point miss कर दिया कि मुस्लिम personal law का कितना misuse होता है जब किसी हिंदू को पहली बीवी होते हुए भी दूसरी शादी करनी होती हैं, सिर्फ दिखावे के लिये मुसलमान बन जाओ और शादी कर लो, ये कानून का भी मज़ाक है और धर्म का भी
About polygamy in Islam:
It also says only if you can be fair to all those women. There are scholars who argue that it was only allowed because in the Battle of Badr (happened during the time of Prophet Muhammad), many men died. And there were many women left that were widowed and many women that became orphans. So, in order to take care of them God allowed man to marry more than 1 woman but only if they can be fair to all the wives. But it also says in the Quran that you would not be able to be fair between your wives.
Which makes some scholar argue that polygamy is allowed but really discouraged.
"If you fear that you may not deal justly with the orphans, then marry [other] women that you like, two, three, or four. But if you fear that you may not treat them fairly, then [marry only] one, or [marry from among] your slave-women. That makes it likelier that you will not be unfair. " (Quran 4:3)
"You will not be able to be fair between wives, even if you are eager to do so. Yet do not turn away from one altogether, leaving her as if in a suspense. But if you are conciliatory and Godwary, Allah is indeed all-forgiving, all-merciful." (Quran 3:129)
islam4u.pro/blog/polygamy-in-the-quran/
www.thedailystar.net/law-our-rights/news/what-does-the-quran-say-regarding-polygamy-2076941
Hello SG,
Appreciate you covering this. But calling this not a social issue and a political issue is very demeaning towards the millions of women who lose their basic humane dignity and security because of this. I understand it's also political but at the heart of it this is a social issue. Also the idea that muslims en mass hesitate to criticize polygamy is concerning.
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Very interesting data, good job Sir
What India needs is not uniform civil code, but reform of the Muslim personal laws. Just as the Hindu personal laws were codified in 1956, and amended from time to time. In a highly diverse country, UCC will face strong challenges and fail .
Finally, a voice of reason.
I think it is not about whether all of them or a few or them are following polygamy; it is more about them having a choice/privilege if they choose to exercise it.
You are taking reference from govt official data. But that doesn't count illegal bangladesi and rohingya mu$lims and their kids.
Basic statistics error. The percentage of population in polygamy is down but the population has almost doubled since 1980. Both should be multiplied and a graph of actual numbers should be talked about instead of percentages.
As a Ph.D. Statistician I will tell you one thing clearly: However strong your statistical trends are (in favor or against), they cannot replace the moral and ethical principles of modern society. Polygamy, triple talaq, etc. are medieval practices unfit for current societal norms. Whether they go down or up, no section of the population should be "legally" allowed to practice it. So, you may present 1001 statistics stating that those who are entitled to practice it legally are not doing so, but it does not replace the responsibility of the govt. and paid channels like you to preach it in any sense. State clearly that these practices must be made illegal (long back) if you plan to carry out responsible journalism. Sorry for my harsh tone, but I am appalled to see statistic after statistic which in short trying to undermine an effort of the current govt. to make an unjustified mediavall practice under the law to make it illegal.
😂😂 So, the Phd in Statistics does NOT want statistics after statistics to be used because it undermines the position of this government’s policy??🤣🤣
@@pamtam1 a wrong (or right) cannot be mended by any amount of statistics.
@@samirang21 Firstly, you did not answer my question, hence unless and until you negate with a credible response, it can be fairly assumed that your answer is Yes, you do NOT want to use statistics to undermine the government’s policy position.
@@samirang21 Secondly, a Phd starts with a thesis proposition, carefully goes through data, variety of previous studies, statistical/computational analyses and then draws conclusions/inferences. Your response completely obliterates that first principle concept. So, in addition of throwing out the Statistics, you, somehow give the impression of throwing out the foundational principle of Doctoral studies too.😉 (PhD?? Duh)
@@samirang21 Finally, what remains underlying your proposition is a hollow dogma, unsubstantiated by anything of purpose. Too bad, that does not cut even the most crude basics of normal discussion.
Enjoy rest of the day.😃
Question is doing justice to those 0.9% percent women under polygamous situation
Takla back with nonsensical arguments!
He talks nonsense about 'percentage prevalence of polygamy' ad-nauseam! But the critical point is that it is LEGAL for one community and ILLEGAL for another. Claiming that in some random district more Hindus are polygamous than Muslims is disingenuous as Hindus are treated as criminals for the same act that Muslims can openly boast!
Further, just to mitigate the immorality of LEGAL pedophilia among Muslim community, Takla claims 15yrs as normal puberty! The fact is more than 50% girls attain puberty at age 11. (Hindus having sex with a girl younger than 11 can be hanged!!!!).
Very logical💛.. Everyone has to think rationally..
Shekhar Sir a modern state should not allow polygamy and child marriages......it is a 21st century morality....never mind the consequences are in lakhs or in hundreds
Only if it is consensual marriage from everyone.
So basically, statistics show that the major issue that the BJP is trying to polarise and politicise is in reality, a non-issue (i.e. insignificant).
The agenda of UCC proves that the ruling party does not really care about North East, nor territorial sovereignty of India
even if 1% are in polygamous relationship, it's a huge number because of the sheer size of the sample size