Arn Anderson on Ronnie Garvin as champion
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- On this episode of ARN, we continue our journey through JCP 1987, as Arn and Paul revisit September '87! Topics include working with Tully against the Rock ‘N’ Roll Express, Barry Windham, Lex Luger, and Arn vs. Dusty and Animal in a Double Bull Rope match, Arn and Tully winning NWA Tag Team Championship, and much more!
Nobody had a career like Arn Anderson. For more than three decades he has been the epitome of “old school.” Hear him as you’ve never heard him before every Tuesday at 6am Eastern as you gives you a peak behind the curtain for the first time ever. Each week Conrad Thompson will examine Arn’s days in the territories, becoming an Anderson, creating the Four Horsemen in the NWA, becoming a Hall of Famer, and being a producer behind the scenes for years for WWE proving “The Enforcer” has a story unlike anyone else.
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That Tully interview is light years better than anything wrestling has seen in the last 30 years.
They are still trying to copy his formula with heels today. Evolution was the last heel faction that felt cool, but they didn't last long enough.
Garvin was as tough as nails. And if Arn says so, that’s a very high praise.
Always a fan of Ronnie,tough and technical, man I really miss that classic wrestling era.
Garvin was really over at the time, but his finisher was an illegal closed fist punch..."Hands of Stone".
What killed Garvin's image and run as NWA World Champion was when Jim Crockett Jet said he did not have to defend the title till Starrcade (despite defending a few times after winning it)
Hands of stone was freakin legit. Really enjoyed his matches.
Yeah, Ronnie was awesome, both as a technician and a brawler
The best two hours on cable tv on WTBS.
Arn and Tully two great champs more southern than bbq
I've always loved this. Cancelled checks and belts. BELTS! LOL
That night here Detroit back then was my first wrestling event all these years later I remember that night so we'll
Ronnie Garvin is one of my favorites!
Garvin was only supposed to be a "placeholder champion" and agreed to do the job. Most wrestlers didn't want to do the job, but Garvin agreed. Kind of similar to Iron Shiek being WWF champ, they had him do it, take the belt from Backlund just to lose it to Hogan (couldn't have 2 babyfaces go for the belt back then). Garvin/Flairs situation was a little different (cutting and pasting this):
The feud with Flair took a new twist on September 25, 1987, when Garvin was able to defeat Flair for the title.[9] With the NWA holding the 1987 Starrcade the same day WWF was holding its first Survivor Series, Crockett chose to face the strong WWF competition by having Flair win the title. Flair therefore had to lose the title first and whoever beat him would only be a placeholder champion. Most wrestlers declined the offer, but Garvin, assuming that at 42 it may be his last chance to hold the major NWA title, accepted to fill the role. Indeed, Garvin held the title for two months before losing it back to Flair at Starrcade.
Two months. That makes sense. In my 12 year old memory he had it for just 30 seconds
Really weird to have a placeholder guy take the belt and then lose it back to the same guy. Typically this would be a transition from one heel to another (or 2 babyfaces)
@@bubbafug00gle51 Yeah, I didn't totally understand that either. The info I got was from Wikipedia, so take it for what it's worth.
@@bubbafug00gle51 they wanted a title change for starrcade. So...garvin said sure...
@@chrischar9428 If that's true, it's bad booking. A title change for no other reason than "it's a big show" is lazy and accomplishes nothing long term. If they had used the change to at least build a better feud I would forgive them. Glad Garvin had a little run, just wish it was better planned and executed.
I still remember his matches with Valentine. He was the first CAW I created, ever. Back in HCTP lol. Valentine was 2nd.
I remember Garvin having the run with Flair. But I didn't remember that he won the title.😲
Yep garvin stomped him
I can't cite a source but I've heard/read that Ric wanted win the belt back at Starcade so he had to lose it first, and Ron Garvin was the only one who agreed to doing it.
“C’mon Ricky, whip ‘em, whip ‘em like a dawg!”
From what i hear Garvin had hands of stone.
It was pretty legit
I wonder if Ronnie Garvin considers his best work to have been his world championship run, or his heel run in Knoxville in the late 1970’s?
I want to go back...
I liked Ron Garvin. His matches were more technical than just jumping all over the ring. He could have used some better mic skill though. Back in the 80’s promos were becoming more important. The guys who were a natural at it got big. Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan, etc. but some guys never really got the promos right. Garvin was one of them.
Great comment.
At that time, that was part of what Garvin's fans liked about him. That he was all about action, not talking. He spoke poorly at times, but carried a big stick.
Ronnie was one of my favorites, I copied a lot of his moves when I was Wrestling 😄😉
Back when matches made sense, usually, kayfabe was alive and well, and the promos were designed to elevate the matches more so than the individual wrestler. Good stuff
I've never read or heard earn Anderson saying anything nice about anyone so that says a lot for Ronnie Garvin
Arm did. Ole never said anything nice about anyone.
BTW was always a fan of the run Ron Garvin, had for the NWA Champ it made me a fan.. Hands of Stone
Garvin is my GOAT!
Whip you like a little boy!!!!!
These men we're so much better and well-rounded on the mics in the ring and over with the people
Portion after Crockett leaves seemed like a shoot… “cancelled checks, dusty Rhodes, money from above, it all makes sense now”… maybe referring to dusty spending all of crocketts money or getting him booted off Crockett’s plane (if that had happened yet)
The NWA had a very good product that era. The biggest shortcoming was when Flair lost it would be for a few weeks. It became VERY predictable.Harley, Kerry, Dusty and Ronnie. Spoiled the heavyweight title for me. The TV, US and Tag belt feuds were MUCH more interesting as a fan back then.
I don't think they should have kept giving the belt back to flair.
Garvin was tough way before that
What I want to know is, why his career seemingly died so quickly. I remember him winning the belt, and then losing it pretty soon, it seems. Then not too long after that, I remember seeing him as a referee. I remember the announce team called him "hands of stone" but never mentioned he was a former champion. The promotion might have been WCW by then?
Nah not too long after he lost the title he turned heel did a short program with Dusty Rhodes then left for the WWF . That's where he was a ref as part of an angle . He didn't do much in WWF only there about a year or so .
@@ricksuddarth7200 Ok, thanks. That was SO very long ago, and my memory was that of watching it as a kid.
Supposedly Garvin paid money to become the world champion and Tommy Rich did as well
Ronnie Garvin was at the end of his career by the time he became world champion and really did not have much left in the tank when he got to WWF.
@@QuentinDude Nah, bro. I was young at the time, but I remember Harley Race dropping that title to Tommy Rich. Tommy "Wildfire" Rich was young, in shape, and blonde. He had the girls all over him, and played the total babyface. He was legit over with the fans. Dropping the NWA title to him would have made perfect sense to the council. Garvin was always well received by the other wrestlers, but even though he was a great mechanic style wrestler, he wasnt particularly fun to watch, not terribly exciting. Like Lance Storm personality, but (in my opinion) half of Lance's talent. Garvin was good. He wasnt great. He would have been a solid choice for champ as well, just neither of those two are guys who you'd want to KEEP it on. Race, Flair, Dusty those guys could have that belt for YEARS, because they were always popular, always showed up to wrestle, and reliable. Thats who gets the belt.
👍👍
Ronnie was legit & over.
He was also however, booked like a total jabroni as Champion.
Since Ronnie had no ego & no want to be Champion his run is looked at as forgettable.
Ronnie was The Man. The original One Man Gang.
Not 'lost' the belt. PLanned 'put over'.
Garvin was a MID CARDER
Nwa was more professional athleticism than showmanship.
Im from detroit nobody even knew the nwa existed. #emptyArena
My dude, You ever hear of "Big Time Wrestling?" The Original Sheik? Bobo Brazil? That was NWA Detroit for the looongest time.
Then, just as Eddie Farhats promotion died, Michigan got Turner on cable. The Superstation, I think it was called back then? I lived two hours north of Detroit and could watch WWF, Crockett/Georgia/WCW and even AWA once in a while. The only way a Michigan wrestling fan didnt know about the NWA, is because you didnt watch wrestling.
Idiot
You don't know jack. I'm from Detroit and I was there that night at Joe Louis. Sold out, 20,000 people, hot crowd.
@@daveconleyportfolio5192 try about 8000
@@daveconleyportfolio5192 how many beers
TULLY GAVE ZERO FUCKS
Very disappointing for me
I was a mark for the baby faces back then
I had been hoping for someone like Magnum or dusty to win the belt
Ron garvin was way down my wishlist
Magnum TA was going to be the NWA Champion, no doubt. He was destined for big things, until that car crash. The real question is "How big could he have been?" He had the looks, the talent, the mic skills, and could work.
No charisma Barney Rubble.
I was thinking the same thing. The Governor of Illinois looks like Fred Flinstone
@@Michael1966W
Rod blagojavich looks kinda like Barney rubble. 😂
@@YogsenForfoth he does but thier current Governor Pitzker or whatever his name is looks like Fred Flinstone
Did you hear the pops he got. STFU
Probably the most unrealistic heavyweight wrestling champion I've ever seen Ron Garvin
You never saw trash like Benoit winning it then.
Better than the majority of so-called world champs from the last 25 years.
@@donkeypant Bahahahaha what was the guy 5 foot nothing 🤣😂🤣😂
@@donaldhynson4538 those guys could legitimately shoot though. With the exception of Brock Lesnar it's something missing these days. Back in the day the champion had to be capable of protecting the business you know. Nowadays the fans could take a championship from most in the business.
@@matthewcollins8602 I still find it hard to believe Garvin could shoot I'm sorry and he didn't have the belt long at all, what a month or so
Old subject
Ronnie Garvin was incredibly boring and bland to watch. Worst champion of the era
Your opinion, which isn't worth much.
@@CatsClaw44do you acknowledge that yours is worth no more?
Like watching paint dry, not much of a personality.
Garvin was short as hell. I watched some of his interviews - not a britght guy
ronnie garvin great wrestler ,,but against the hogan/vince no at that time
Arn is just a stooge.
And nobody wants to watch that on tv. garvin was a bum. nwa goes under.
Yeah that was it. Moron
Han
Tully, is top 3 heel of all time. He may be number 1 on the list.
From what i hear Garvin had hands of stone.