Hey it's me Derek! Hope you like this compilation of all the Xbox docs we've done over the years. We got a new video coming out on Dec 29th, so this isn't the last from us for 2022. Thanks for watching, and Stay Powerful!
When my 360 red ringed it was around 2009 and my unit had just passed the extended warranty. I was temping so had almost no money and getting a full time job was hard after 2008, so i thought this was a sign to give up on my hobbies and games, drawing and anime and try being what my friends at the time wanted to be...living for the weekend of football and drinking. I spent a year doing this and i was depressed as all hell, it was the worst time of my life!
@@mickeymickey9914 that's a pretty disgusting response, you know, telling someone they wouldn't have been depressed if they hadn't bought a console that failed for reasons beyond their control. Grow a heart and try again.
My PS3 fat I got in 2007 still works today but I might have to redo the thermal paste. It’s starting too become very loud. But still works like the day I got it
@@ryans413 If you're not 100% sure what you're doing, send it off to a professional. A friend killed his beautiful phat PS3 attempting this (it was the backwards compatible model too).
Maybe because back in 2006 a Blu Ray player cost about 1k dollars where a PS3 was 600 dollars and it could play games and play PS2 and PS1 and it had free online at the time wasn’t as good as Xbox live but you didn’t have to pay to ply online and it has built in wifi something the Xbox didn’t. It’s funny saying all this like those were the winning points but they were for the time.
@jabron destoroyah it did but both system were still a fail for Microsoft and Sony. The 360 had hardware failure and the PS3 was just expensive Sony cut down on features to try and sell more units. One thing that saved PS3 was the exclusives
@jabron.destoroyahBro, once you factored in all the add-ons for the LBOX360 the price was equivalent to a PS3. M$ loves to nicke and dime its blind cult of Xbots, and they’re fine with it too. 😂 I always considered the 360 more of a kiddie console and the PS3 for more mature kids and adults. The PS3’s hardware and features were years ahead of the LBOX then, and it’s been the case for every PlayStation console since.
Excellent video. Just wanted to bring up a technicality: when you talk about yield rates in a manufacturing environment, the yield rate is the actual number of good units out over total in. That means the yield here was 32% (68% failure rate) which is a horror story for anyone working on a production line
It’s absolutely unbelievable! I’ve never even heard of such a bad yield rate, not even in prototype production. I’m a Software engineer in the automotive world and such low rates, even if only at SOP, would be absolutely crushing for everybody involved, if the company would continue the project at all..
@@AlexanderEiffel seeing people who work in high level production environments horrified at Microsoft continuing to sell a console with such a high failure rate makes me wonder why they kept shoving this issue under the rug.
@@dustenhostetler-vanderzee2296 This is the unfortunate arragance of Microsoft, thinking that no one would know what they are saying, and that is actually bad. As well as hoping that they can fix it before anyone like the above can actually tell people what huge mistake was just made.
Agreed, no matter how unreliable the first model was or how much the region locking sucked I always find myself having a special place in my heart for the 360. I think to me it's the last Console from Microsoft that I genuinely think changed the landscape of Gaming entirely. I don't hate the 360 but I hate Microsoft's handling of the situation and of the Xbox Brand from Xbox One Onwards other than some key things like Game Pass. I'm gonna miss you 360 if only they designed the Internals first and focused on not rushing it out. They fixed it later but losing my first 360 and now recently my second Japanese one to the Red Ring of Death, I think played a massive role in me switching to PlayStation and never looking back.
I still have the one I received from repair from 2009. In college I learned how to fix the units on my own. I upgraded it with the better GPU heatsink from later units, fixed the disc drive laser. Upgraded the fans, and I recently redid the thermal paste. It doesn't see much use these days, but I am trying to keep it going strong.
@@johnjurmu5669 I see, and you upgraded the CPU heatsink in that Elite right? If so, the revision would be a Zephyr motherboard which are infamous for having defective GPUs
The main RROD cause (GPU Failure) is due to a design flaw within the GPU itself. The TG underfill within the GPU that surrounds the solder bumps wasn't high enough and allowed the solder bumps to flex and crack, breaking the connection. The revised GPUs started appearing in mid to late 2008, your Falcon, if it does have gpu failure, would have been one of the very last production runs of faulty GPUs. If you get the secondary error code, press and hold sync and press eject 4 times, you can find out what the issue is
It'd be interesting to see a Sony version of this series detailing the PS3 era, you could even include the launches of the psp and the Vita. You really knocked it out of the park with this Xbox series.
It's not significant in the grand scheme of life, but boy do I remember the "it's called Xbox 360" moment as it happened. It's honestly the first time my jaw has ever dropped in relation to a live event. My friend immediately texted me with "there's no goddamn way he just said that." I was thinking that I wouldn't get an Xbox One with all the anti-consumer crap Microsoft was trying to pull, but his comment really etched it in stone how little they cared about the consumers. I don't think that, even now, Xbox has fully recovered from Don Mattrick and that press conference.
I've been watching this channel since you were HVGN, and I can safely say the Xbox 360 Past Mortems are my absolute favorite videos you've ever made! It was a great idea to combine them into one single mega-documentary. And now I have an easy choice for my favorite video on the channel ❤
My OG 360 crapped out on me in 2006, but luckily, it wasn't but a few months (2007) until the 360 Elite arrived with hdmi, black paint, and a much larger hdd. I graduated from high school in May of that year, which saw me 800 bucks richer from graduation gift cards. One 360 Elite+8 Benjamins=14 years of gaming goodness. She died on me in September of 2021. A faithful and noble steed, who kept me company throughout college, connected me to some of my very best friends still to this day, and 3 years of marriage and two wonderful children. Rest in peace, dear friend...
To quote Yatzee about 2013 E3, "It was like Microsoft walked on stage of the international Don't Fuck Up championship and started to shiv itself in the stomach shouting "It's for your own good! It's for your own good!" I couldn't stop giggling the entirety of the Disastrous Launch of XBox one launch because every fucking step of the way was suicidal. I lived in Australia at the time and new how horrific our internet was so knew what a cataclysmic fuck you to gamers it was. Thanks for enlightening just how much I missed even though I lived through it.
I have a lot of f..... fond memories of the 360. I was one of the unlucky ones. I went through a total of 6 of them. When Microsoft started trying to charge repair fees I decided I'd had enough. I Bought a gaming PC and have more or less avoided non-nintendo consoles ever since. I can't deny I had a great time with the 360 and it's games when the thing was working, but there was one year where Microsoft had the console more than I did. One of the systems got back to me worked for a grand total of 2 weeks and had the RRoD again. So thanks Microsoft for turning me into a PC gamer I guess?
I was about that Zune lifestyle Derek. The most SSFF moment of my life was playing Project Gotham Racing with 3 other people (yes, we successfully got all 4 people who owned a Zune HD into a single car) on a road trip back from Columbus, Ohio. Honestly, you should look into the Zune HD for an episode, there were some kinda fun games for it that I think you might find interesting.
I worked at Gamestop at the time of the 360. We got on average, 10-20 RRoD 360s a day. Whether it was people trading it in and picking up a new one, or most often, a used/refurbished one being returned. I went through 5 myself, and I'm thankful for the warranty rules of NC that made the GS warranty last two years.
Had to rewatch this with the recent Xbox news. It's insane how much more it feels like they're floundering in comparison to PlayStation and especially Nintendo. The Xbox One launch was an omen, and we just didn't know it yet.
This may be silly, but keep in mind the 360 had YPbPr/Component early, which would help watching HD video etc at 480p + even on CRTs and stuff. I remember even after I warranty claimed mine I was using component with it on an LCD when possible iirc. The cables back then werent crazy expensive (like OEM ones are now iirc lol) Made a big difference over composite, even with 480-720p+ LCDs etc, let alone CRTs.
Oh man... I still can't believe the 360 is old enough to get a video made on its history. I still remember getting mine in Sept or Oct 2008, right after they released the 60 GB HD ones. Lots of great games both on disc and in the XBox Live store. The 360/PS3 era is probably the last great console generation, at least for me... and I like the Switch, but it's the first Nintendo console I've gotten since the Gamecube, and it doesn't hold up as well as the GC or the SNES for me. Welp... looks like I'm diving into this rabbit hole... Thanks SSFF!
@@arroyo_hernandez if I’m being all “well akchtually” they are 11-14 years old (I have two model Es and one model S). But I’ve had them in my possession for about 5 years. When I got them, I took them all apart and completely cleaned them, and they are stored in plastic storage bins when I don’t plan on using them relatively soon. So two are in bins at any given time, with one being pulled out every few months for some Split/Second, Fable II, and Halo trilogy marathons
Mine RROD'd in 2010, back when my uncle still had it as HIS primary system. He got his buddy to come and fix it, and it's worked fine ever since. The thing's 15 years old.
For your video series on unusual peripherals, have you ever considered reviewing the Aura Interactor? It was a peripheral for the Sega Genesis and Super Nintendo released in 1994 that was basically the precursor to the Rumble Pak for the N64.
sometimes i wonder what the console competition would be like if sega succeeded an the dreamcast continued... would we have a four way war... would one of the other consoles fail... would sega create their own handheld again when the switch released... etc... ??
The Dreamcast wouldn't have succeeded period.....Im sorry that people have a hard time grasping that the Dreamcast was HIGHLY overrated in almost every aspect....DVD would have killed the Dreamcast regardless, but the majority of Sega's failings came from riding the Genesis way too long, the Sega CD was garbage, the 32X was garbage, The Saturn and its price were a joke..... Sega's games are also MASSIVELY overrated, they became the company who made games mostly that could be completed in 20 minutes with rare exceptions
I miss playing on my 360, what I don't miss was getting called a "n*gger" or a "f*ggot" or a combination of both in CoD MW2 lobbies and having to pay 8 bucks a month to do it (or whatever the price was back then for gold), also the hardware problems but that was just the icing on the cake.
Back when I first received the “Red Rings” I discovered it was the cause of me using a fan attachment in the back. When I disconnect the fan, the plastic surrounding the fan had melted.
That was a really nice compilation, great work, Uncle Derik! I had consoles for the most part of my gaming history, from SNES to PS5, I had a Xbox 360 that did the 3RL of Death two years into its life, while playing skyrim, and that moved me to PC, since I wasnt feeling confidant to buy a PS3, I never once in my life touched or played a Xbox One or a Xbox Series, yet, I own controllers from both consoles to use on PC. On the topic of always online, there is a big catch, I own a physical copy of God of War Ragnarok, but the game comes with a code to redeem on PSN to claim some itens, and if you do that, the game becomes always online, because even if you own the disk, the disk is in the drive, you cannot launch without internet, because the console needs to check if the redeemed itens are valid, and that needs internet.
Just wanna say I super appreciate you guys putting out all these videos and especially this compilation. I'm a delivery driver and usually work nights and long videos like this can make lonely nights feel a little less lonely. Thanks for all your hard work
I had and loved my Zune, 32 GB back in 2006 or 7. Menu had Podcast section, i was like... wtf a podcast? It finally broke about 5 years ago. Rip little buddy.
"At least for the culture of the time, nerds and weirdos and kids" Nah we are still here stronger than ever lmao. Seeing Hexic HD took me back to a memory I forgot that I even had.
47:10 Crucial to note that in terms of raw standalone players sold, it was basically neck and neck, 750k to 700k. The critical factor here was PS3 came with Blue-Ray built in(not to mention Day 1 HDMI) and 360 didn't and pegged it on later, adding too many steps for most people. Xbox having HD-DVD from Day 1 would almost certainely have swinged the equation the complete opposite direction.
Fun fact: The screen effect at 51:15 made me think my phone was sliding off its stand which then made me jolt causing me to spill my cereal all over myself.. A+ editing👍
I actually loved my Zune, i had the 128 gb brick (a lot of data at the time!) I could basically put any music and shows/movies I wanted on it and they all worked great, I remember watching whole seasons of Supernatural while waiting for stuff. It was also before I had a smart phone so the super hexagon puzzle game got a lot of play time!
My final words on Xbox as a whole: as a physical console, it's dead to me now. My Xbox One died a while back giving me the so called "black screen of death" where the dashboard or any apps won't load (but the guide still functions apparently) and I honestly cannot be bothered fixing it. I have recently re-rigged my 360 back to the TV for the odd bit of nostalgia with the GTA 4 mods I've got installed or whatever other game I feel like, but otherwise I'm all in on PC gaming these days, and have been going that way for a very long time. Where Xbox as a brand is currently winning in my opinion is the cloud streaming tech. So many companies are trying it - Google with Stadia for example, but they've recently pulled the plug on that. But you go and test an Xbox game within a Chromium-based browser (Firefox support when) and honestly, it feels close enough to playing it locally. I wouldn't go playing an FPS like that, but for games where a few milliseconds of input delay aren't the end of the world, the quality and performance of Xbox Cloud Gaming is absolutely insane.
0:40 maybe this has been mentioned before but the reason your Phat 360 lasted so long was because it was a latter falcon V2 model from the looks of it. Those consoles were still prone to the RROD. The only phat 360's that do not suffer from that problem are the Jasper and Jasper V2's which some people argue are even more reliable than the latter slim and E models of the 360. The issue is also accentuated with use and how often the console was turned on and off so if that console potentially saw less use it also could have lasted longer. 20:45 the issue wasn't with the amount of heat the console was producing, if the console was overheating, it would shut down. It was fine from that regard. The issue lied with the solder bumps between the GPU and it's interposer which as the console would heat up and cool down from the console being used would end up cracking and over time the GPU would effectively disconnect from the motherboard. A similar problem occured on a smaller scale with the PS3 YLOD.
Had an 06 console red ring in 09 and got the gears 3 slim model in 2011 pretty crazy how the red rings really made people go out and get a whole ass second console.
Didn't expect my short search for the capabilities of the back connector of the 360 controller and staying in for the ride to take me down memory lane in the way it did
I remember as a kid who absolutely loved tech and a good story, seeing Milo got me so excited for the concept. It's such a shame Microsoft had to dump all over the Kinect in so many ways so projects like that had to die. Even remember the rumour back in the day that the software of Milo is what then became Kinectimals. Poor kid really went through so much crap.
I grew up with Nintendo, Xbox and PlayStation. Thank you for this amazing video. I also wish the older Forza Motorsport titles were backwards compatible on the Xbox one
I’m one of the lucky few I think who still has a launch XBOX 360 that still runs. I found mine at a thrift store, and when I got it home, I cleaned is, tore it apart, cleaned it some more, cannibalized a 360 slims hard drive to put into the old one, and i even had to buy a WiFi module because this one was the model that didn’t even have one built in. Amazingly it still runs, and it even came with the component hookups so it at least it as a means of using HD. Heck I even went as far as putting arctic Mx-5 thermal paste on all the chips that had thermal pads.
You put thermal paste on thermal pads? Or worse.. You replaced pads with paste? You know that doesn’t work right? You better have used copper shims at least.
This is the second video of yours I watched, the first was the SotN for GameCon. Awesome content! I still have the XOne bought in December 2013 and it is a good console. The 2013-2015 period was terrible for the brand, of course. The end of the last segment, where you list the things Xbox was planning and are now happening in many different ways is something I usually bring up. MS was forcing its way too early and too strongly, but in the end they were "right" and most of what people complained back then they do not anymore, either do not care or do not notice anymore. Tech is a crazy world and gaming brings passion on top of it and it gets wild. Cheers.
I remember mentioning my now 16 year old Falcon v1 360 on the original release of the Past Mortem of the RRoD, which is retired and in storage, replaced by a Trinity Slim that I got as a gift a few years ago now.
This compilation is a history of Shareholders and Execs taking the term _”f-you money”_ a little too seriously. This is exactly why I agree with Futurama’s take on business (school with the monkey). I wish I could say, _stop being right Futurama_ but that will never be the case. Shareholders and Execs are the bane of existence. Make all the money you want, but being out of touch is stupidity, and according to the New Testament _stupidity_ (among other things) _is a sin._ Great Coverage. Shareholders, Execs, Middle men and bean counters have money, but not a brain cell between them. It’s that scene towards the end of Wolf of Wall Street Just before DiCaprio’s Jordan Belfort gets arrested where he’s told that the FBI agent, _”is smarter than him…”_ I’ll never forget that line. Great Stuff, as always. Money simply is not demonstrably synonymous with intelligence. Ask any sugar daddy with a pregnant sugar baby… you missed the point bub… _Fools_ and their money are meant to be parted.
Bye Skittles, I love you. GOTY material right there. Also: "user friendly DRM" is the funniest fukkin thing i've heard outside of a Carrot Top performance. DRM isn't "user" ANYTHING. It's there, it's intangible, you can't touch it or alter it. There is no user friendly DRM. DRM is not a user experience except in the ways that it hampers your user experience. Like DeNuvo DRM tanking performance on PC Resident Evil Villiage and Doom Eternal. Fukkin Newspeak makes me puke. "User friendly DRM" is an oxymoron, like jumbo shrimp or cool bill gates
I grew up with the 360 and all of its weird add ons, so this is like a weird timeline of my childhood. My machine survived 3 red rings before we had to trade it in for a newer black model with kinect
I still know when I and my brother sad on our PCs and I dreamed to his room during that Xbox One presentation "did you also seeing that crap? Did we dream?"
In the end the PS3 did outsell the 360, BUT the Wii was a beast that stood alone. We had the opportunity to get our hands on incredible consoles, life changing games, and futuristic technology that gave many of us hours, days, and years of entertainment. I was fortunate to be 21 years old when the war kicked off, and had enough money and nothing else to spend it on other than to spend all of my money on this generation of consoles and games. It was an amazing ride that my friends and I still talk about today. It's wild to think about the astonishing games that appeared during this time period on each console. We were lucky to have three companies that wanted to win, but what they didnt know was, the customers won.
What game is that music from at about 10:20 into this vid?! It's driving me nuts, whatever it is I remember loving that game and it's music! This is an awesome movie of a documentary of a video of a historic trip down memory lane. Great job SSFF!!
I've owned one PS3 ever, an old fatty model from 2006. It's as loud as a jet engine even at idle, but it still works perfectly, playing every every PS1, PS2, and PS3 game perfectly to this day with native hardware support. In the same timeframe, I've owned three 360 Elites. This, despite the fact that I've almost certainly used my PS3 more frequently over the years. The build quality was just beyond dispute. Ironically, I may have also had one of the first (if not THE first) malfunctioning consumer PS4 in North America. I worked at SCEA during the PS4's launch, and employees were able to purchase PS4s weeks in advance of the general public. I obviously jumped at the chance, but when I brought my console home, it would not boot up. I immediately reported this to my manager, who sent me down to our hardware tech department, where a guy whose name I forgot (but looked like George Lucas and had a photo of Kaz Hirai on his employee ID tag) excited swapped my bricked console for a functioning one. They were apparently very excited to "finally" get to work on a faulty consumer PS4. So yeah, that happened.
Seems like you're lucky with a non-faulty CECHA, given how the capacitors for the Cell and RSX lose capacitance over time until the console shows a YLoD. Less mysterious of an issue than the RRoD, but apparently inevitable and affects every PS3 produced before March 2010. Sony fixed it with the die shrink to 45nm removing the need for a beefy power supply.
God I watched the XBOX One shit happen in real time and it's still unbelievable how bad that shit was. I'm pretty sure they could have brought out someone dressed as Master Chief and executed them live on stage and it wouldn't have substantially worse for them that the XBox one already was.
I am currently having a working Xbox 360 arcade from 2009. A friend of mine had a Wii (currently not working) and my neighbour in 2010s had the ps3 and we were going to each other home playing games either on ps3 or xbox 360 or ps2 which I also had. Or sometimes I was visiting my other friend and used to play super Mario galaxy 2 or paper mario or wii sports or wii sports resort or legend of Zelda Twilight Princess
My original 360 is still kicking, but its the slightly later black "elite". My brothers on the other hand have gone through at least 5-6 360 consoles, it was absurd how many of them broke down.
This is a really well made video but At least most the initial story about the launch is better documented in Xbox's own docu-series that I highly recommend everyone check out.
Yeah LMFAO because Microsoft being the honest and upstanding company are totally going to tell the truth in anything that they can have any sort of influence on....Does it mention that the 360 had an embarrassingly bad and should be criminal 54% failure rate...MS is the same company that rigs their books by shifting numbers around to hide losses.
According to the recent Xbox documentary they always knew the hardware wasn't where the money was. It was in the software (games). By that measure the OG Xbox was in no way a "flop". Halo and specifically Halo 2 sold massively, and Live had great subscription numbers.
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Hey it's me Derek! Hope you like this compilation of all the Xbox docs we've done over the years. We got a new video coming out on Dec 29th, so this isn't the last from us for 2022. Thanks for watching, and Stay Powerful!
what if i wanna stay powerless?
You really should do a punching weight on the Kinect.
@@404Errored need to get myself in gear and buy a xbox one kinect dongle
Derek , mine just kept dying
These videos are oddly magical in the fact that I never get tired of watching them over and over and over again
Some people make video games into movies. This man made a video game console into a movie. Uncle Derek is a legend
Some people make movies into video games.
@@MysteriouslyMilitant Some video games make movies into people.
@@johnalbertson79some games make people into videos and videos into systems duh
@@johnalbertson79Make people into some video games movies
@@MysteriouslyMilitantGames make people into some video movies
When my 360 red ringed it was around 2009 and my unit had just passed the extended warranty. I was temping so had almost no money and getting a full time job was hard after 2008, so i thought this was a sign to give up on my hobbies and games, drawing and anime and try being what my friends at the time wanted to be...living for the weekend of football and drinking. I spent a year doing this and i was depressed as all hell, it was the worst time of my life!
Could have been avoided by not being an Xbox fanboy.
@@mickeymickey9914 that's a pretty disgusting response, you know, telling someone they wouldn't have been depressed if they hadn't bought a console that failed for reasons beyond their control. Grow a heart and try again.
My PS3 fat I got in 2007 still works today but I might have to redo the thermal paste. It’s starting too become very loud. But still works like the day I got it
@@ryans413 If you're not 100% sure what you're doing, send it off to a professional. A friend killed his beautiful phat PS3 attempting this (it was the backwards compatible model too).
@@mickeymickey9914Maybe if you weren’t an obvious Sony fanboy man child, you would have a life. But alas, you failed.
I'm loving this era of 3 hour youtube videos
It’s 6 videos
"81% of Bluray players were PS3's" That is absolutely insane!!!
Maybe because back in 2006 a Blu Ray player cost about 1k dollars where a PS3 was 600 dollars and it could play games and play PS2 and PS1 and it had free online at the time wasn’t as good as Xbox live but you didn’t have to pay to ply online and it has built in wifi something the Xbox didn’t. It’s funny saying all this like those were the winning points but they were for the time.
@jabron destoroyah it did but both system were still a fail for Microsoft and Sony. The 360 had hardware failure and the PS3 was just expensive Sony cut down on features to try and sell more units. One thing that saved PS3 was the exclusives
And no one is talking about the ps3s ylod? Ps3 fat models are also ticking time bombs along with most of the slims.
I blame bump gate.
Smart business move!
@jabron.destoroyahBro, once you factored in all the add-ons for the LBOX360 the price was equivalent to a PS3. M$ loves to nicke and dime its blind cult of Xbots, and they’re fine with it too. 😂
I always considered the 360 more of a kiddie console and the PS3 for more mature kids and adults.
The PS3’s hardware and features were years ahead of the LBOX then, and it’s been the case for every PlayStation console since.
I love how you credited the original editors for each video in the chapter titles. You guys are so cool.
Excellent video. Just wanted to bring up a technicality: when you talk about yield rates in a manufacturing environment, the yield rate is the actual number of good units out over total in. That means the yield here was 32% (68% failure rate) which is a horror story for anyone working on a production line
9:23 is the part where this is mentioned
It’s absolutely unbelievable!
I’ve never even heard of such a bad yield rate, not even in prototype production.
I’m a Software engineer in the automotive world and such low rates, even if only at SOP, would be absolutely crushing for everybody involved, if the company would continue the project at all..
@@rolux4853 I work on automotive chips and I agree. 32% yield means project is a no go even on your first silicon out
@@AlexanderEiffel seeing people who work in high level production environments horrified at Microsoft continuing to sell a console with such a high failure rate makes me wonder why they kept shoving this issue under the rug.
@@dustenhostetler-vanderzee2296 This is the unfortunate arragance of Microsoft, thinking that no one would know what they are saying, and that is actually bad.
As well as hoping that they can fix it before anyone like the above can actually tell people what huge mistake was just made.
The 360 will always have a special place in my heart
It still has a place in my bedroom.
You will always have a place in my heart
Agreed, no matter how unreliable the first model was or how much the region locking sucked I always find myself having a special place in my heart for the 360. I think to me it's the last Console from Microsoft that I genuinely think changed the landscape of Gaming entirely. I don't hate the 360 but I hate Microsoft's handling of the situation and of the Xbox Brand from Xbox One Onwards other than some key things like Game Pass. I'm gonna miss you 360 if only they designed the Internals first and focused on not rushing it out. They fixed it later but losing my first 360 and now recently my second Japanese one to the Red Ring of Death, I think played a massive role in me switching to PlayStation and never looking back.
It still has a place in my trash can.
@@EmilyChuu y u gae
I still have the one I received from repair from 2009. In college I learned how to fix the units on my own. I upgraded it with the better GPU heatsink from later units, fixed the disc drive laser. Upgraded the fans, and I recently redid the thermal paste.
It doesn't see much use these days, but I am trying to keep it going strong.
Just picturing people keeping maintenance records like some people do for cars.
@@RyoLeo there are people who take the mantainance of their PCs extremly seriously and with good reason, they are expensive workhorses
Does the console have HDMI or just AV?
@@CliffNark both HDMI and AV. It’s a 360 elite system, I bought it just to upgrade to HDMI.
@@johnjurmu5669 I see, and you upgraded the CPU heatsink in that Elite right? If so, the revision would be a Zephyr motherboard which are infamous for having defective GPUs
The main RROD cause (GPU Failure) is due to a design flaw within the GPU itself. The TG underfill within the GPU that surrounds the solder bumps wasn't high enough and allowed the solder bumps to flex and crack, breaking the connection. The revised GPUs started appearing in mid to late 2008, your Falcon, if it does have gpu failure, would have been one of the very last production runs of faulty GPUs. If you get the secondary error code, press and hold sync and press eject 4 times, you can find out what the issue is
I bet his just has bad capacitors
It'd be interesting to see a Sony version of this series detailing the PS3 era, you could even include the launches of the psp and the Vita. You really knocked it out of the park with this Xbox series.
These docu-compilations have been great listens for work and are my favorite style of video from the channel. Another solid upload, yay Uncle Derek!
It's not significant in the grand scheme of life, but boy do I remember the "it's called Xbox 360" moment as it happened. It's honestly the first time my jaw has ever dropped in relation to a live event. My friend immediately texted me with "there's no goddamn way he just said that."
I was thinking that I wouldn't get an Xbox One with all the anti-consumer crap Microsoft was trying to pull, but his comment really etched it in stone how little they cared about the consumers.
I don't think that, even now, Xbox has fully recovered from Don Mattrick and that press conference.
I've been watching this channel since you were HVGN, and I can safely say the Xbox 360 Past Mortems are my absolute favorite videos you've ever made! It was a great idea to combine them into one single mega-documentary. And now I have an easy choice for my favorite video on the channel ❤
My OG 360 crapped out on me in 2006, but luckily, it wasn't but a few months (2007) until the 360 Elite arrived with hdmi, black paint, and a much larger hdd. I graduated from high school in May of that year, which saw me 800 bucks richer from graduation gift cards. One 360 Elite+8 Benjamins=14 years of gaming goodness. She died on me in September of 2021. A faithful and noble steed, who kept me company throughout college, connected me to some of my very best friends still to this day, and 3 years of marriage and two wonderful children. Rest in peace, dear friend...
To quote Yatzee about 2013 E3, "It was like Microsoft walked on stage of the international Don't Fuck Up championship and started to shiv itself in the stomach shouting "It's for your own good! It's for your own good!" I couldn't stop giggling the entirety of the Disastrous Launch of XBox one launch because every fucking step of the way was suicidal. I lived in Australia at the time and new how horrific our internet was so knew what a cataclysmic fuck you to gamers it was. Thanks for enlightening just how much I missed even though I lived through it.
I have a lot of f..... fond memories of the 360.
I was one of the unlucky ones. I went through a total of 6 of them. When Microsoft started trying to charge repair fees I decided I'd had enough. I Bought a gaming PC and have more or less avoided non-nintendo consoles ever since. I can't deny I had a great time with the 360 and it's games when the thing was working, but there was one year where Microsoft had the console more than I did. One of the systems got back to me worked for a grand total of 2 weeks and had the RRoD again.
So thanks Microsoft for turning me into a PC gamer I guess?
I’ve never owned an Xbox of any type and yes I will sit through all nearly 3 hours of this video because it’s so good
I was about that Zune lifestyle Derek. The most SSFF moment of my life was playing Project Gotham Racing with 3 other people (yes, we successfully got all 4 people who owned a Zune HD into a single car) on a road trip back from Columbus, Ohio. Honestly, you should look into the Zune HD for an episode, there were some kinda fun games for it that I think you might find interesting.
Zune was a grievously misunderstood media player. It was objectively better than the iPod.
I LITERALLY just rewatched all of these videos TODAY. What kind of timing is that? 😰
I worked at Gamestop at the time of the 360. We got on average, 10-20 RRoD 360s a day. Whether it was people trading it in and picking up a new one, or most often, a used/refurbished one being returned. I went through 5 myself, and I'm thankful for the warranty rules of NC that made the GS warranty last two years.
"I went through 5"
Consoooooom microsimp.
Haha, I already had a personally made playlist of these videos. They do feel like one epic saga. Good stuff.
The red ring video is the first ssff video I ever watched and it got me hooked. Thanks uncle Derek!
Had to rewatch this with the recent Xbox news. It's insane how much more it feels like they're floundering in comparison to PlayStation and especially Nintendo. The Xbox One launch was an omen, and we just didn't know it yet.
This may be silly, but keep in mind the 360 had YPbPr/Component early, which would help watching HD video etc at 480p + even on CRTs and stuff. I remember even after I warranty claimed mine I was using component with it on an LCD when possible iirc. The cables back then werent crazy expensive (like OEM ones are now iirc lol) Made a big difference over composite, even with 480-720p+ LCDs etc, let alone CRTs.
But Sony could do that too with the AV Multi Out as well but yea Xbox did it first
That’s not special, the PS3 and even PS2 had component 1080i output.
even the slim models had it
Oh man... I still can't believe the 360 is old enough to get a video made on its history. I still remember getting mine in Sept or Oct 2008, right after they released the 60 GB HD ones. Lots of great games both on disc and in the XBox Live store. The 360/PS3 era is probably the last great console generation, at least for me... and I like the Switch, but it's the first Nintendo console I've gotten since the Gamecube, and it doesn't hold up as well as the GC or the SNES for me.
Welp... looks like I'm diving into this rabbit hole... Thanks SSFF!
I just dusted off my 360 this week to start replaying some of my favorite games. Perfect timing!
All of your favorite downgraded pc ports.
i know it’s a bit late but how old is your xbox 360?
@@arroyo_hernandez if I’m being all “well akchtually” they are 11-14 years old (I have two model Es and one model S). But I’ve had them in my possession for about 5 years. When I got them, I took them all apart and completely cleaned them, and they are stored in plastic storage bins when I don’t plan on using them relatively soon. So two are in bins at any given time, with one being pulled out every few months for some Split/Second, Fable II, and Halo trilogy marathons
Mine RROD'd in 2010, back when my uncle still had it as HIS primary system. He got his buddy to come and fix it, and it's worked fine ever since. The thing's 15 years old.
Wow, it's a feature length documentary! Amazing work, guys 👋😊
I bought Pitfall 2 for gameroom, and that was like 1 of the 3 things I bought for XBLA since I didn't really have money for digital as a kid.
For your video series on unusual peripherals, have you ever considered reviewing the Aura Interactor? It was a peripheral for the Sega Genesis and Super Nintendo released in 1994 that was basically the precursor to the Rumble Pak for the N64.
It's funny to see old Derek be so formal with "It's me, Derek Alexander"
That was one hell of an incredible watch. Have a good one SSFF!
sometimes i wonder what the console competition would be like if sega succeeded an the dreamcast continued... would we have a four way war... would one of the other consoles fail... would sega create their own handheld again when the switch released... etc... ??
The Dreamcast wouldn't have succeeded period.....Im sorry that people have a hard time grasping that the Dreamcast was HIGHLY overrated in almost every aspect....DVD would have killed the Dreamcast regardless, but the majority of Sega's failings came from riding the Genesis way too long, the Sega CD was garbage, the 32X was garbage, The Saturn and its price were a joke.....
Sega's games are also MASSIVELY overrated, they became the company who made games mostly that could be completed in 20 minutes with rare exceptions
I miss playing on my 360, what I don't miss was getting called a "n*gger" or a "f*ggot" or a combination of both in CoD MW2 lobbies and having to pay 8 bucks a month to do it (or whatever the price was back then for gold), also the hardware problems but that was just the icing on the cake.
I dunno... I kinda found it was hilarious listening to them rage and call me all sorts of shit. It is proof they lost even if they had a higher score😅
Back when I first received the “Red Rings” I discovered it was the cause of me using a fan attachment in the back. When I disconnect the fan, the plastic surrounding the fan had melted.
That was a really nice compilation, great work, Uncle Derik!
I had consoles for the most part of my gaming history, from SNES to PS5, I had a Xbox 360 that did the 3RL of Death two years into its life, while playing skyrim, and that moved me to PC, since I wasnt feeling confidant to buy a PS3, I never once in my life touched or played a Xbox One or a Xbox Series, yet, I own controllers from both consoles to use on PC.
On the topic of always online, there is a big catch, I own a physical copy of God of War Ragnarok, but the game comes with a code to redeem on PSN to claim some itens, and if you do that, the game becomes always online, because even if you own the disk, the disk is in the drive, you cannot launch without internet, because the console needs to check if the redeemed itens are valid, and that needs internet.
Just wanna say I super appreciate you guys putting out all these videos and especially this compilation. I'm a delivery driver and usually work nights and long videos like this can make lonely nights feel a little less lonely. Thanks for all your hard work
I had and loved my Zune, 32 GB back in 2006 or 7. Menu had Podcast section, i was like... wtf a podcast? It finally broke about 5 years ago. Rip little buddy.
Three hours on one of the best consoles ever?
I'm gonna be here forever.
Well, if three hours is forever... ;)
And if the 360 is the best console ever
Not the best console of there’s the Xbox one X is there best turnaround of a bad console
@@ryans413 Was _any_ of that English?
Nothing can touch the first 3 years of the Xbox 360. If it weren’t for the 3RL issues, its launch would have been damn near perfect.
I've watched a couple of these multiple times already, but this compilation was great to listen to while I work remote.
Do more, lol.
This is going to be what I fall asleep to for the next 2 months, thank you Uncle Derek 🙏
I see what you did there! That castle crasher’s soundtrack goes HARD
"At least for the culture of the time, nerds and weirdos and kids" Nah we are still here stronger than ever lmao. Seeing Hexic HD took me back to a memory I forgot that I even had.
47:10 Crucial to note that in terms of raw standalone players sold, it was basically neck and neck, 750k to 700k. The critical factor here was PS3 came with Blue-Ray built in(not to mention Day 1 HDMI) and 360 didn't and pegged it on later, adding too many steps for most people.
Xbox having HD-DVD from Day 1 would almost certainely have swinged the equation the complete opposite direction.
Fun fact: The screen effect at 51:15 made me think my phone was sliding off its stand which then made me jolt causing me to spill my cereal all over myself.. A+ editing👍
I actually loved my Zune, i had the 128 gb brick (a lot of data at the time!)
I could basically put any music and shows/movies I wanted on it and they all worked great, I remember watching whole seasons of Supernatural while waiting for stuff.
It was also before I had a smart phone so the super hexagon puzzle game got a lot of play time!
Got a strong urge to play Castle Crashers now....
My final words on Xbox as a whole: as a physical console, it's dead to me now. My Xbox One died a while back giving me the so called "black screen of death" where the dashboard or any apps won't load (but the guide still functions apparently) and I honestly cannot be bothered fixing it.
I have recently re-rigged my 360 back to the TV for the odd bit of nostalgia with the GTA 4 mods I've got installed or whatever other game I feel like, but otherwise I'm all in on PC gaming these days, and have been going that way for a very long time.
Where Xbox as a brand is currently winning in my opinion is the cloud streaming tech. So many companies are trying it - Google with Stadia for example, but they've recently pulled the plug on that.
But you go and test an Xbox game within a Chromium-based browser (Firefox support when) and honestly, it feels close enough to playing it locally.
I wouldn't go playing an FPS like that, but for games where a few milliseconds of input delay aren't the end of the world, the quality and performance of Xbox Cloud Gaming is absolutely insane.
0:40 maybe this has been mentioned before but the reason your Phat 360 lasted so long was because it was a latter falcon V2 model from the looks of it. Those consoles were still prone to the RROD. The only phat 360's that do not suffer from that problem are the Jasper and Jasper V2's which some people argue are even more reliable than the latter slim and E models of the 360. The issue is also accentuated with use and how often the console was turned on and off so if that console potentially saw less use it also could have lasted longer.
20:45 the issue wasn't with the amount of heat the console was producing, if the console was overheating, it would shut down. It was fine from that regard. The issue lied with the solder bumps between the GPU and it's interposer which as the console would heat up and cool down from the console being used would end up cracking and over time the GPU would effectively disconnect from the motherboard. A similar problem occured on a smaller scale with the PS3 YLOD.
FYI the original Xbox actually had 64mb of RAM not 256mb. You could double the size to 128mb but that’s another story.
The Gears "Mad World" trailer has been stuck in my head for years and still is lol. I loved it.
Had an 06 console red ring in 09 and got the gears 3 slim model in 2011
pretty crazy how the red rings really made people go out and get a whole ass second console.
Damn, Michael Bay really hit the nail on the head with that "conspiracy theory"...
This was actually really interesting. You should consider doing this kind of documentary content for tech in general, not just videogames
I think the xbox one was the thing that made me, as an 18 year old, realise maybe caplitalism wasn't quite as good as I thought it was.
Didn't expect my short search for the capabilities of the back connector of the 360 controller and staying in for the ride to take me down memory lane in the way it did
I remember my 360 red ringed when I was watching Stand By Me on DVD, it was a sad gamer moment.
2:25:18 "Xbox, go home, you're drunk." Insult of the year, Derek. 😂
Me sitting here with my launch PS3, with thousands of hours.
My fat PS3 from 2007 still works today
@@ryans413Same
To be fair, knowing who Jonathan Blow is now, I’d lose his number to.
Keep your 360! You can replace your own parts with little soldering skills. I’ve kept my day one 360 alive all this time.
I remember as a kid who absolutely loved tech and a good story, seeing Milo got me so excited for the concept. It's such a shame Microsoft had to dump all over the Kinect in so many ways so projects like that had to die.
Even remember the rumour back in the day that the software of Milo is what then became Kinectimals.
Poor kid really went through so much crap.
LOVE the compilation. It'd be great to see something similar for Sony and Nintendo
Yup, had 4 RROD's until I found a keeper lol
Perfect video to let playing in the background when doing something else.
Thank you uncle Derek, you are the best!!!
I grew up with Nintendo, Xbox and PlayStation. Thank you for this amazing video. I also wish the older Forza Motorsport titles were backwards compatible on the Xbox one
Nice compilation, a neat little trot down memory lane ^^
I’m one of the lucky few I think who still has a launch XBOX 360 that still runs. I found mine at a thrift store, and when I got it home, I cleaned is, tore it apart, cleaned it some more, cannibalized a 360 slims hard drive to put into the old one, and i even had to buy a WiFi module because this one was the model that didn’t even have one built in. Amazingly it still runs, and it even came with the component hookups so it at least it as a means of using HD. Heck I even went as far as putting arctic Mx-5 thermal paste on all the chips that had thermal pads.
You put thermal paste on thermal pads? Or worse.. You replaced pads with paste? You know that doesn’t work right? You better have used copper shims at least.
This is the second video of yours I watched, the first was the SotN for GameCon. Awesome content!
I still have the XOne bought in December 2013 and it is a good console. The 2013-2015 period was terrible for the brand, of course. The end of the last segment, where you list the things Xbox was planning and are now happening in many different ways is something I usually bring up. MS was forcing its way too early and too strongly, but in the end they were "right" and most of what people complained back then they do not anymore, either do not care or do not notice anymore. Tech is a crazy world and gaming brings passion on top of it and it gets wild. Cheers.
I remember mentioning my now 16 year old Falcon v1 360 on the original release of the Past Mortem of the RRoD, which is retired and in storage, replaced by a Trinity Slim that I got as a gift a few years ago now.
And it looks like 2020 is a year full of possibilities..... Oh sweet summer child
This compilation is a history of Shareholders and Execs taking the term _”f-you money”_ a little too seriously. This is exactly why I agree with Futurama’s take on business (school with the monkey). I wish I could say, _stop being right Futurama_ but that will never be the case. Shareholders and Execs are the bane of existence. Make all the money you want, but being out of touch is stupidity, and according to the New Testament _stupidity_ (among other things) _is a sin._
Great Coverage. Shareholders, Execs, Middle men and bean counters have money, but not a brain cell between them. It’s that scene towards the end of Wolf of Wall Street Just before DiCaprio’s Jordan Belfort gets arrested where he’s told that the FBI agent, _”is smarter than him…”_
I’ll never forget that line.
Great Stuff, as always.
Money simply is not demonstrably synonymous with intelligence. Ask any sugar daddy with a pregnant sugar baby… you missed the point bub… _Fools_ and their money are meant to be parted.
“this is made for the greatest controller yet, your body!”
me, who can’t walk or stand: o h
Watching Giant Bomb has given me so many good laughs much like watching your channel. Who does it bring me back!
2:07:52
into essentially rewatching previously uploaded videos,
well played.
Bye Skittles, I love you.
GOTY material right there.
Also: "user friendly DRM" is the funniest fukkin thing i've heard outside of a Carrot Top performance. DRM isn't "user" ANYTHING. It's there, it's intangible, you can't touch it or alter it. There is no user friendly DRM. DRM is not a user experience except in the ways that it hampers your user experience. Like DeNuvo DRM tanking performance on PC Resident Evil Villiage and Doom Eternal.
Fukkin Newspeak makes me puke. "User friendly DRM" is an oxymoron, like jumbo shrimp or cool bill gates
600$ is a lot for a console now in almost 2024, imagine how that felt in 2006. It would feel like paying 1,100$ in post covid dollars.
A nearly three hour Xbox 360 video from Uncle Derek? Merry Christmas to me!!
2008? Chances are that is a jasper and that explains why it didn’t red ring until now.
That took up most of my 1st half of Monday. Thanks!!
Shouts out to you for this epic video x the dank rare bill box ads
I grew up with the 360 and all of its weird add ons, so this is like a weird timeline of my childhood.
My machine survived 3 red rings before we had to trade it in for a newer black model with kinect
the intro made me check the dates on my XBox 360s , i got a 2008 and a 2009, both still going strong as on day 1
I still know when I and my brother sad on our PCs and I dreamed to his room during that Xbox One presentation "did you also seeing that crap? Did we dream?"
In the end the PS3 did outsell the 360, BUT the Wii was a beast that stood alone. We had the opportunity to get our hands on incredible consoles, life changing games, and futuristic technology that gave many of us hours, days, and years of entertainment. I was fortunate to be 21 years old when the war kicked off, and had enough money and nothing else to spend it on other than to spend all of my money on this generation of consoles and games. It was an amazing ride that my friends and I still talk about today. It's wild to think about the astonishing games that appeared during this time period on each console. We were lucky to have three companies that wanted to win, but what they didnt know was, the customers won.
Meanwhile, we keep on trying to recapture the highs of the Xbox 360 era with the Series s/x and haven’t had luck
Xbox 360/PS3 generation had some of the finest games
Holy shit Michael bay was a scholar
What game is that music from at about 10:20 into this vid?! It's driving me nuts, whatever it is I remember loving that game and it's music! This is an awesome movie of a documentary of a video of a historic trip down memory lane. Great job SSFF!!
I would really love to know why the Xbox needed to be a media center. It should have been a feature- not the thing.
I've owned one PS3 ever, an old fatty model from 2006. It's as loud as a jet engine even at idle, but it still works perfectly, playing every every PS1, PS2, and PS3 game perfectly to this day with native hardware support.
In the same timeframe, I've owned three 360 Elites. This, despite the fact that I've almost certainly used my PS3 more frequently over the years. The build quality was just beyond dispute.
Ironically, I may have also had one of the first (if not THE first) malfunctioning consumer PS4 in North America. I worked at SCEA during the PS4's launch, and employees were able to purchase PS4s weeks in advance of the general public. I obviously jumped at the chance, but when I brought my console home, it would not boot up.
I immediately reported this to my manager, who sent me down to our hardware tech department, where a guy whose name I forgot (but looked like George Lucas and had a photo of Kaz Hirai on his employee ID tag) excited swapped my bricked console for a functioning one. They were apparently very excited to "finally" get to work on a faulty consumer PS4. So yeah, that happened.
Seems like you're lucky with a non-faulty CECHA, given how the capacitors for the Cell and RSX lose capacitance over time until the console shows a YLoD. Less mysterious of an issue than the RRoD, but apparently inevitable and affects every PS3 produced before March 2010. Sony fixed it with the die shrink to 45nm removing the need for a beefy power supply.
God I watched the XBOX One shit happen in real time and it's still unbelievable how bad that shit was. I'm pretty sure they could have brought out someone dressed as Master Chief and executed them live on stage and it wouldn't have substantially worse for them that the XBox one already was.
I am currently having a working Xbox 360 arcade from 2009. A friend of mine had a Wii (currently not working) and my neighbour in 2010s had the ps3 and we were going to each other home playing games either on ps3 or xbox 360 or ps2 which I also had. Or sometimes I was visiting my other friend and used to play super Mario galaxy 2 or paper mario or wii sports or wii sports resort or legend of Zelda Twilight Princess
My original 360 is still kicking, but its the slightly later black "elite". My brothers on the other hand have gone through at least 5-6 360 consoles, it was absurd how many of them broke down.
I have a Kinect adapter and I’d give it to you but I’d never be able to play fantasia again which was the only good Kinect game that I know of.
This is a really well made video but At least most the initial story about the launch is better documented in Xbox's own docu-series that I highly recommend everyone check out.
Yeah LMFAO because Microsoft being the honest and upstanding company are totally going to tell the truth in anything that they can have any sort of influence on....Does it mention that the 360 had an embarrassingly bad and should be criminal 54% failure rate...MS is the same company that rigs their books by shifting numbers around to hide losses.
I enjoy your videos. I'd like to ask who made the music in the intro? Thank you.
According to the recent Xbox documentary they always knew the hardware wasn't where the money was. It was in the software (games). By that measure the OG Xbox was in no way a "flop". Halo and specifically Halo 2 sold massively, and Live had great subscription numbers.