A few minor corrections (thanks to folks in the comments and further research I've done): 4:08 Technically, the air pressure releases the brakes rather than applying them. It's arranged this way so that, if an air line bursts or leaks, the train will stop rather than running away. This is what happened to the freight train that Casey Jones crashed into. 4:21 This is actually a Davis Camel, not a Winans Camel. The two are very similar, but all of the Winans Camels were 0-8-0s. The Camels were distinct from the later Camelbacks in that the cab was raised up much higher, almost entirely above the boiler, and the firebox was extended in length rather than width. 5:07 There is some debate over whether this supposed law against building new Camelbacks actually existed. Although it is often stated to be so, several people have attempted to track down the actual documents and come up with nothing. Regardless, they did stop building them around that time, and some were later rebuilt with extended frames so that the cab could be moved behind the firebox. At least one Camelback stayed in service until 1954. 9:40 The BL2 actually has a door in the nose that allows access to the cab from the front platform, like modern diesels with full-width cabs. (It's even visible in the video - I don't know how I missed it.) 11:39 Not really a correction, but a few people have noticed that the "mirrored" Enterprise has some different details, such as the spikes on the nacelles. Contrary to popular belief, this is not because it was a different model. The model originally had solid wooden domes with spikes, but after the first few episodes, they were changed to clear ones with working lights inside. The "mirrored" shot was reused from an earlier episode ("Mirror, Mirror" was not the first time the ship was shown from the other side) to save the money and time it would have taken to re-apply the mirrored decals and do the shot again with the upgraded nacelles. There was a second, smaller model built, but it was only used for promotional photos, and never actually appeared on the show.
5:44 Fun Fact about clinchfield engine number 1 . That engine was going to be used as the Santa Clause Express but it could only pull 2 cars so they went with diesels.
@@thomasdeturk5142 That's correct. I really hate it when people think folks who are 50 years apart somehow are too different to understand and like each other. For one thing: we love trains! What else does a person need in life!!!!?🤣😂🤣
Hi Michael, awesome video(you rock, all yer vids are amazing) I've been looking for a Canadian liveried 4-4-2 Atlantic since forever (or an undecorated one) I know 35 years ago Mantua made one but very rare now. If I acquired a Pennsy unit I'd consider it but they're kinda unique looking to PRR, anyway just thought I'd ask. Take care.
@@larryriopelle3469 Glad you enjoy the videos! I'm not aware of any Canadian liveried Atlantics available from the factory. Mantua made a non-PRR version of theirs that could probably be repainted. The later versions with can motors run quite well. I have a PRR one that I'll make a video on eventually. There's a sad lack of Atlantics in the HO market, but the Mantua one has good potential for a custom build.
My hometown! The B&O Train Museum is our gem of American railroading. The #25 was used to pull trains back and forth on the grounds after the WWW Movie. I got to ride it, and thankfully videotaped it. They had to stop when someone pointed out that you can't pull passengers without brakes. Unfortunately it has a major crown sheet problem and will probably never run again. The Camel was actually a DAVIS CAMEL, a 4-6-0, not a WINANS, 0-8-0. There were 3 types of B&O Camels- Winans, Hayes, and Davis. BTW, #305 is not a "Camelback". A Camel loco has the cab atop the boiler, the Camelback has the cab straddling the boiler (like the CNJ Camelback #592 there). The reason the Camel's cab was placed on top of the boiler was not because of the size of the firebox (they did not have the wide Wooten Firebox and burned regular coal), but to put additional weight on the drivers. Very helpful for pulling trains over the Allegheny Mountains. Camelbacks were used into the 1950s on the CNJ (there are color videos of them online). Also, notice in the clip from the mirror universe. They didn't use the same model. A prior model from the first pilot that had spikes on the front nacelles and finished on both sides was used. You can see the spikes on the front in the clip on the mirror Enterprise, and there are a number of PR photos showing the original filming model with the spiked nacelles. It's a shame I didn't know you were in town. I've visited the railroad museum many many times since the mid 1960s. I could have met up with you and treated you to your admission.
I knew someone would correct me about the Camelback, lol. I wanted to go deeper into the differences but didn't have enough footage. I'll admit I had no idea there were 3 different builders of the original Camels. The cab weight thing is interesting - I wouldn't think the cab was heavy enough to make a difference. They obviously didn't have the wide Wooten firebox, but the firebox did look larger to me than a typical locomotive of the time. As for the Star Trek model, the footage used for the left side was indeed reused from the pilot episode, but it was the same model. The original spiked nacelle caps are on display in the glass case alongside the model - they were swapped out with the lighted ones between the filming of the pilot and the series (although many of the pilot footage was reused in later episodes). Other details were changed as well, such as the balls on the rear end of the nacelles and the height of the bridge dome being reduced. The second, smaller model, which was finished on both sides, was never actually used on the show - only for promotional photos (and the cover of Leonard Nimoy's album). As far as I'm aware, all shots of Constitution-class starships in the series used the same 11-foot wooden model, with one exception - the heavily damaged USS Constellation in "The Doomsday Machine" was a plastic Enterprise model kit that was modified to look damaged.
@@michaelramsey81 From drawings and photos that I've seen, the Winans and Hayes Camels had much longer fireboxes than was normal on most engines of the time, allowing them to burn hard anthracite. The engines intrigue me as the type was almost unknown in this country (GB) save for one lonely exception, the 'Lovett Eames', brought over as a demonstrator for the Eames Airbrake Co. Abandoned by the company and scrapped, its bell survives in the keeping of the Royal Institute of Mechanical Engineers. 'Pioneer' is a lovely little engine - again a long time favourite of mine. Times have certainly changed. Can't haul passengers on trains without brakes? Well, the pioneering railways did..... Does anybody recall a 1950's TV series entitled 'Legends of the West', featuring a character named Matt Helm, railroad detective? I think the B&O Museum provided a number of engines for the series, as they helped Disney for 'The Great Locomotive Chase' (The 'William Mason' played the 'General' - she and 'Reno' gave the most convincing performances of the picture.)
I just realized that on February 14-29 Baltimore was hit with a massive snow storm and sadly the roundhouse’s roof collapsed and started a fire, damaging the engines and rolling stock. The one that was most damaged was the thatcher Perkins but luckily all the engines were repaired but pretty much the same thing happened to number 12
Excellent - a first class Christmas treat. The one place in the US I would wish to visit the most, but never shall now. I'm on the wrong side of the Big Pond, and too old to go now.
Definently go back to see the car shop! You may see a familiar face in full scale 😉 And if you're ever in the area stop by the National Capital Trolley Museum in Colesville. It's a nice little museum and I'm a volunteer there!
You HAVE to go back when the car house is open the C&O Hudson, the Allegheny, and B&O EMD EA are drop dead gorgeous and you can get inside more locomotive cabs. 110% worth it. Also pro tip with the air and space museum: Go out to Dulles to see the other half of the collection. The Dulles Udvar Hazy center is WAY more impressive atm with all the renovations being done to the DC museum. The whole Dulles museum is open and it’s got WAY more stuff from the space shuttle Discovery, Enola Gay which dropped the first atomic bomb, a Concorde, the Boeing 707 dash-8 prototype, and a bunch of stuff from downtown in its restoration hangar awaiting transfer back downtown. Way better day trip than the one downtown imo.
Glad to hear it! Just wanted to give you some recommendations. I'm a MASSIVE museum fan. Thank you so much for reaching back out! Also, another heads up. The Museum of American History has The "John Bull" Locomotive, a 4-4-0 American, and a Southern Railroad Pacific if you're looking for more trains in the area and you need to kill time. They've got other great stuff in there too.
I like the layout at the beginning. The background backdrop is beautiful and nicely representative. Great walk around of the engines. I must make my way to this museum at some point. I have read about these engines in my various railway books. While sitting in that cab is as close as you’ve come to operating a real steam locomotive. True. And sorta not true - if you consider miniature live steam. Yeah yeah not near as complicated, but you are on my channel running live steam. 😆 Loved the dreamy sequence from the cab. The BL2… coooool engine. There is a door on the front platform and steps up into the cab if I am not mistaken. There is a several thousand pound lead ballast weight in the nose you walk over. I would be interested in another video about the additional non- engine items. And I LOVED seeing Enterprise!!! 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊 Great vid Michael.
If you get a chance to come to the New Oxford Train station in Pennsylvania in April 6th 1:00 pm to 5:00 pm through December 21st and it will be open on the 1st and 3rd Sundays of the month with special things in June and October. The train station in New Oxford is closed in the winter months January to March to work on the layout that needs work done on it.
Air brakes release the brakes, not apply them. This means any car or locomotive left alone with no air pressure will have locked brakes until air pressure from another loco is applied.
Lore to number 12s static display area . When it’s time for the engines to be overhauled they would be ether sent to theBaltimore &Ohio repair shops or just been fixed by Michael, however when number 12 was getting overhauled there weren’t enough room so they kept it in the round house then Baltimore was hit with a 38 inch snow storm then the roof of the roundhouse collapses damaging 12 and other equipment. Number 12s moto- er I mean boiler was damaged so they sent it back to the W&SC railway. Michael did the exterior but sadly the boiler couldn’t be used anymore. They govenert suggest to scrap 12 and replace it with a new diesel, but Michael didn’t have the heart to scrap 12 so he asked the government for $623,000 but with much hesitation he refused saying that steam engines are too old. Michael put the engine on static display. See number 12s return video for part 2 where number 12 gets restored and don’t ask why I put this in here,
Dude, it breaks my heart that you don't have more followers / subs. This content is amazing. You need to go back and make more content. If there's more content to b e made, make it!
Thanks so much for this fantastic video but Baltimore is a crime mecca and I would LOVE to visit this museum but i just don’t feel safe in that city . We’re you completely comfortable there? Those historic locomotives are what I truly love about railroading.
I didn't spend any time walking around the city. We took Uber cars between the train station and the museum and had no issues. The hotel we stayed in was in DC, and we took the Acela up to Baltimore and back in one day. I wouldn't really want to explore Baltimore on foot, but if you take Uber straight from the station to the museum and back, you should be fine.
Yes - for quite a while, it was in a dark green livery left over from its appearance in Wild Wild West. In 2017 it was restored to its original 1856 paint scheme.
On the sumpter valley we have an 1880s wood frame passenger car that is in regular service Not only does it sag slightly but the frame was actually once cut in half and then when it got restored the beams were bolted back together
Hey railfan guy I know you were born in the 1960-1970s of the Baltimore and Ohio railroad I was born in Victorville California on the former Burlington Northern and the Atchison Topkea & Santa Fe Railway And the Union Pacific Railroad and some former Southern Pacific of Transportation railroad and the former Burlington Northern and Santa Fe Railway as BNSF railway and Union Pacific Railroad has the former Southern Pacific of Transportation railroad and the Denver & Rio Grande Western Railroad are part of the Union Pacific Railroad today at least the former Union Pacific Railroad is still handling it today in 2024-2025s next year.
A few minor corrections (thanks to folks in the comments and further research I've done):
4:08 Technically, the air pressure releases the brakes rather than applying them. It's arranged this way so that, if an air line bursts or leaks, the train will stop rather than running away. This is what happened to the freight train that Casey Jones crashed into.
4:21 This is actually a Davis Camel, not a Winans Camel. The two are very similar, but all of the Winans Camels were 0-8-0s. The Camels were distinct from the later Camelbacks in that the cab was raised up much higher, almost entirely above the boiler, and the firebox was extended in length rather than width.
5:07 There is some debate over whether this supposed law against building new Camelbacks actually existed. Although it is often stated to be so, several people have attempted to track down the actual documents and come up with nothing. Regardless, they did stop building them around that time, and some were later rebuilt with extended frames so that the cab could be moved behind the firebox. At least one Camelback stayed in service until 1954.
9:40 The BL2 actually has a door in the nose that allows access to the cab from the front platform, like modern diesels with full-width cabs. (It's even visible in the video - I don't know how I missed it.)
11:39 Not really a correction, but a few people have noticed that the "mirrored" Enterprise has some different details, such as the spikes on the nacelles. Contrary to popular belief, this is not because it was a different model. The model originally had solid wooden domes with spikes, but after the first few episodes, they were changed to clear ones with working lights inside. The "mirrored" shot was reused from an earlier episode ("Mirror, Mirror" was not the first time the ship was shown from the other side) to save the money and time it would have taken to re-apply the mirrored decals and do the shot again with the upgraded nacelles. There was a second, smaller model built, but it was only used for promotional photos, and never actually appeared on the show.
Michael love the channel...your a great speaker and stoyteller.
5:44 Fun Fact about clinchfield engine number 1 . That engine was going to be used as the Santa Clause Express but it could only pull 2 cars so they went with diesels.
I'm 50 years older than you are, and thoroughly enjoyed this fun-filled video. Thanks for sharing this fantastic place!🙂
You were born in 1947 just the first couple years of the baby boomers.
@@thomasdeturk5142 That's correct. I really hate it when people think folks who are 50 years apart somehow are too different to understand and like each other. For one thing: we love trains! What else does a person need in life!!!!?🤣😂🤣
Same age as my grandfather
Absolutely nothing is boring in either of these museums, very cool!
Hi Michael, awesome video(you rock, all yer vids are amazing) I've been looking for a Canadian liveried 4-4-2 Atlantic since forever (or an undecorated one) I know 35 years ago Mantua made one but very rare now. If I acquired a Pennsy unit I'd consider it but they're kinda unique looking to PRR, anyway just thought I'd ask. Take care.
@@larryriopelle3469 Glad you enjoy the videos! I'm not aware of any Canadian liveried Atlantics available from the factory. Mantua made a non-PRR version of theirs that could probably be repainted. The later versions with can motors run quite well. I have a PRR one that I'll make a video on eventually. There's a sad lack of Atlantics in the HO market, but the Mantua one has good potential for a custom build.
My hometown! The B&O Train Museum is our gem of American railroading. The #25 was used to pull trains back and forth on the grounds after the WWW Movie. I got to ride it, and thankfully videotaped it. They had to stop when someone pointed out that you can't pull passengers without brakes. Unfortunately it has a major crown sheet problem and will probably never run again. The Camel was actually a DAVIS CAMEL, a 4-6-0, not a WINANS, 0-8-0. There were 3 types of B&O Camels- Winans, Hayes, and Davis. BTW, #305 is not a "Camelback". A Camel loco has the cab atop the boiler, the Camelback has the cab straddling the boiler (like the CNJ Camelback #592 there). The reason the Camel's cab was placed on top of the boiler was not because of the size of the firebox (they did not have the wide Wooten Firebox and burned regular coal), but to put additional weight on the drivers. Very helpful for pulling trains over the Allegheny Mountains. Camelbacks were used into the 1950s on the CNJ (there are color videos of them online). Also, notice in the clip from the mirror universe. They didn't use the same model. A prior model from the first pilot that had spikes on the front nacelles and finished on both sides was used. You can see the spikes on the front in the clip on the mirror Enterprise, and there are a number of PR photos showing the original filming model with the spiked nacelles. It's a shame I didn't know you were in town. I've visited the railroad museum many many times since the mid 1960s. I could have met up with you and treated you to your admission.
I knew someone would correct me about the Camelback, lol. I wanted to go deeper into the differences but didn't have enough footage. I'll admit I had no idea there were 3 different builders of the original Camels. The cab weight thing is interesting - I wouldn't think the cab was heavy enough to make a difference. They obviously didn't have the wide Wooten firebox, but the firebox did look larger to me than a typical locomotive of the time.
As for the Star Trek model, the footage used for the left side was indeed reused from the pilot episode, but it was the same model. The original spiked nacelle caps are on display in the glass case alongside the model - they were swapped out with the lighted ones between the filming of the pilot and the series (although many of the pilot footage was reused in later episodes). Other details were changed as well, such as the balls on the rear end of the nacelles and the height of the bridge dome being reduced. The second, smaller model, which was finished on both sides, was never actually used on the show - only for promotional photos (and the cover of Leonard Nimoy's album). As far as I'm aware, all shots of Constitution-class starships in the series used the same 11-foot wooden model, with one exception - the heavily damaged USS Constellation in "The Doomsday Machine" was a plastic Enterprise model kit that was modified to look damaged.
@@michaelramsey81 From drawings and photos that I've seen, the Winans and Hayes Camels had much longer fireboxes than was normal on most engines of the time, allowing them to burn hard anthracite. The engines intrigue me as the type was almost unknown in this country (GB) save for one lonely exception, the 'Lovett Eames', brought over as a demonstrator for the Eames Airbrake Co. Abandoned by the company and scrapped, its bell survives in the keeping of the Royal Institute of Mechanical Engineers. 'Pioneer' is a lovely little engine - again a long time favourite of mine.
Times have certainly changed. Can't haul passengers on trains without brakes? Well, the pioneering railways did.....
Does anybody recall a 1950's TV series entitled 'Legends of the West', featuring a character named Matt Helm, railroad detective? I think the B&O Museum provided a number of engines for the series, as they helped Disney for 'The Great Locomotive Chase' (The 'William Mason' played the 'General' - she and 'Reno' gave the most convincing performances of the picture.)
I just realized that on February 14-29 Baltimore was hit with a massive snow storm and sadly the roundhouse’s roof collapsed and started a fire, damaging the engines and rolling stock. The one that was most damaged was the thatcher Perkins but luckily all the engines were repaired but pretty much the same thing happened to number 12
Excellent - a first class Christmas treat. The one place in the US I would wish to visit the most, but never shall now. I'm on the wrong side of the Big Pond, and too old to go now.
Definently go back to see the car shop! You may see a familiar face in full scale 😉
And if you're ever in the area stop by the National Capital Trolley Museum in Colesville. It's a nice little museum and I'm a volunteer there!
wow thats a nice museum, always wanted to go there.
Merry Christmas michael!
I just discovered this video and your excellent channel. VERY well done videos. I look forward to seeing the rest.
Nicely done. Certainly enjoyable. Thank you.
Nicely illustrated and done sir
Wow so cool!
Excellent video. Merry Christmas.
Thanks for sharing this we visited the Museum before the fire. It appears restoration was well done.
I especially enjoyed it all < grin >
Very nicely done
You HAVE to go back when the car house is open the C&O Hudson, the Allegheny, and B&O EMD EA are drop dead gorgeous and you can get inside more locomotive cabs. 110% worth it.
Also pro tip with the air and space museum:
Go out to Dulles to see the other half of the collection. The Dulles Udvar Hazy center is WAY more impressive atm with all the renovations being done to the DC museum. The whole Dulles museum is open and it’s got WAY more stuff from the space shuttle Discovery, Enola Gay which dropped the first atomic bomb, a Concorde, the Boeing 707 dash-8 prototype, and a bunch of stuff from downtown in its restoration hangar awaiting transfer back downtown. Way better day trip than the one downtown imo.
@@cameronfunk6832 I wanted to go to both locations of the air & space museum, but we just didn't have time on this trip. Next time for sure!
Glad to hear it! Just wanted to give you some recommendations. I'm a MASSIVE museum fan. Thank you so much for reaching back out!
Also, another heads up. The Museum of American History has The "John Bull" Locomotive, a 4-4-0 American, and a Southern Railroad Pacific if you're looking for more trains in the area and you need to kill time. They've got other great stuff in there too.
Clinchfield no 1 has Rogers brush strokes written all over it. That, my friend was a super video... Merry Xmas.
Ngl I been here so many times the nostalgia is wild since I live near baltimore
You say the diagram is sloppy but it still gets the point over. Very cool museum with lots of older locomotives
i'd really enjoy a 6 hour video on the B&O RR museum
I like the layout at the beginning. The background backdrop is beautiful and nicely representative. Great walk around of the engines. I must make my way to this museum at some point. I have read about these engines in my various railway books. While sitting in that cab is as close as you’ve come to operating a real steam locomotive. True. And sorta not true - if you consider miniature live steam. Yeah yeah not near as complicated, but you are on my channel running live steam. 😆 Loved the dreamy sequence from the cab. The BL2… coooool engine. There is a door on the front platform and steps up into the cab if I am not mistaken. There is a several thousand pound lead ballast weight in the nose you walk over. I would be interested in another video about the additional non- engine items. And I LOVED seeing Enterprise!!! 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊 Great vid Michael.
Thanks! I suppose I should have said "full-size" rather than "real", haha.
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If you get a chance to come to the New Oxford Train station in Pennsylvania in April 6th 1:00 pm to 5:00 pm through December 21st and it will be open on the 1st and 3rd Sundays of the month with special things in June and October. The train station in New Oxford is closed in the winter months January to March to work on the layout that needs work done on it.
Air brakes release the brakes, not apply them. This means any car or locomotive left alone with no air pressure will have locked brakes until air pressure from another loco is applied.
That is just straight up false. Look up how a triple valve works.
Lore to number 12s static display area . When it’s time for the engines to be overhauled they would be ether sent to theBaltimore &Ohio repair shops or just been fixed by Michael, however when number 12 was getting overhauled there weren’t enough room so they kept it in the round house then Baltimore was hit with a 38 inch snow storm then the roof of the roundhouse collapses damaging 12 and other equipment. Number 12s moto- er I mean boiler was damaged so they sent it back to the W&SC railway. Michael did the exterior but sadly the boiler couldn’t be used anymore. They govenert suggest to scrap 12 and replace it with a new diesel, but Michael didn’t have the heart to scrap 12 so he asked the government for $623,000 but with much hesitation he refused saying that steam engines are too old. Michael put the engine on static display. See number 12s return video for part 2 where number 12 gets restored and don’t ask why I put this in here,
That’s my home state!
1:28 if you want to see him talking about 19th century locomotive design
Dude, it breaks my heart that you don't have more followers / subs. This content is amazing.
You need to go back and make more content. If there's more content to b e made, make it!
Thanks so much for this fantastic video but Baltimore is a crime mecca and I would LOVE to visit this museum but i just don’t feel safe in that city . We’re you completely comfortable there? Those historic locomotives are what I truly love about railroading.
I didn't spend any time walking around the city. We took Uber cars between the train station and the museum and had no issues. The hotel we stayed in was in DC, and we took the Acela up to Baltimore and back in one day. I wouldn't really want to explore Baltimore on foot, but if you take Uber straight from the station to the museum and back, you should be fine.
So i do volunteer at this museum from time to time, whenever you come out next time. i can take you to the carshop
That would be amazing!
👍
6:29 Wait does the sound actually synchronize with how far the throttle is pulled?
No, the sound is just on a loop that repeats every couple of minutes. I was trying to sync the throttle movements with the sound.
Ah ok it would have been really cool if the museum had set it up that way, This is similar to the trains at the North Carolina transportation museum
why did you not see southern 1401
Seems the Williom Mason has been painted.
Yes - for quite a while, it was in a dark green livery left over from its appearance in Wild Wild West. In 2017 it was restored to its original 1856 paint scheme.
perhaps if you ever return someday you do multiple videos to keep them short
On the sumpter valley we have an 1880s wood frame passenger car that is in regular service
Not only does it sag slightly but the frame was actually once cut in half and then when it got restored the beams were bolted back together
Hey railfan guy I know you were born in the 1960-1970s of the Baltimore and Ohio railroad I was born in Victorville California on the former Burlington Northern and the Atchison Topkea & Santa Fe Railway And the Union Pacific Railroad and some former Southern Pacific of Transportation railroad and the former Burlington Northern and Santa Fe Railway as BNSF railway and Union Pacific Railroad has the former Southern Pacific of Transportation railroad and the Denver & Rio Grande Western Railroad are part of the Union Pacific Railroad today at least the former Union Pacific Railroad is still handling it today in 2024-2025s next year.
Today's american trains are so banal, Baltimore & Ohio museum instead contains so much fascinating trains