My colleague got an impingement not from overhead press but from pushing a mouse all these years. Meaning, you wont even have to lift your hands to get one.
My experience overhead pressing. Full range of motion OHP doesn't impinge as Ripp says. Some things to be careful of. OHP one rep maxes should be rare. You can hurt your shoulders pushing max weights too often on OHP. And an article I read by Bill Starr on Starting Strength had me doing Press Starts where you take a weight slightly heavier than your one rep max and push it as hard as you can off the shoulders. Press Starts did impinge my shoulder, though they did increase my OHP. I've decided no more Press Starts. I'm sticking with full range of motion OHP and sticking to higher reps than a 1RM. You lose your groove on heavy 1RM OHP and you can really mess your shoulders up.
Mr. Rip, could you also elaborate on overhead press's effect on the spine. My friend experienced cervical disk herniation while doing this exercise. I am aware of several threads discussing this injury on starting strength webpage. However it will be helpful to know the anatomical effect of overhead press on the spine and which specific mistakes could lead to disk herniation.
Thanks for your reply. My friend has disk herniation in C4-C5, C5-C6 and C6-C7, but the most severe is C6-C7 and it is impinging the nerve route which goes to the right hand. As I gather from the discussions in starting strength forum, Mr. Rip has also had a similar injury.
@@surbhikhetrapal1975 Rip also has c6-c7, he had a fusion operation on it though. And I've met a few people who completely relieved the pain of their c6-c7 herniation by pressing ss style, just strengthening that part of their back. How is your friend now? Any updates?
"It might well have been the first exercise after the first barbell was discovered..." Proceeds to say how one had to CLEAN the barbell up press it/rack it.
So...if I DO feel almost the same pinching sensation when I put my arms overhead as when they are out in a raised "T" shape, what does that mean? Does that mean my scapula isn't moving properly? Because I've had this issue for years and cannot get rid of it. I just want to be able to OHP comfortably.
westogoods If you are shrugging as far as you can at the top and still having issues, you may need to see a coach to sort out form and figure out alternatives.
I've seen a SS coach, and they simply said I was tight. I've done years of stretching of all types and nothing has helped. This all started since I was a highly competitive swimmer from age 5-20, and Rip here talks about how swimming leads to shoulder issues (which is no secret). I'd like to find a coach who can really take me through the process of getting my shoulders better, or at least give me a path.
I have to have significant layback to get the bar overhead and over mid-foot. It still leads to pain my shoulder, similar to that impingement effect Rip talks about here. Also, I'm completely unable to shrug in that overhead position, everything just feels stuck.
westogoods Have you ever tried doing shoulder dislocates with a bar? Or the skin the cat exercise on gymnast rings? Also, you may have better luck pressing with a neutral grip multibar or strongman log.
I'm getting better with the press but it's been stalled for a while now. Total beginner here but all my other lifts are moving up while its just stuck. Pretty discouraged.
Consult "The Three Questions" article by Rip-- (1) are you resting enough between sets; (2) are you taking small enough incremental jumps (2.5 lb, 1.25 lb, etc) between workouts; (3) are you eating enough
i was stuck for months even after deloads, did a deload again and started using microplates along with switching to texas method just for press and man it worked.
I'll save this for tonight -- A bedtime story from Uncle Rip.
Nono Mr. Rippetoe.. The first barbell exercise was the deadlift! Before pressing it overhead you need to pick it up!
The press is my favourite exercise. Its just so damn good. It also put hair on my chest.
It put hair on my balls
@@tricepsish It put balls on my chest
My colleague got an impingement not from overhead press but from pushing a mouse all these years. Meaning, you wont even have to lift your hands to get one.
If the press was the first barbell exercise, then how did it get off the ground?
Nah the first barbell movement was curling on top of a bosu ball while holding a 2 pound dumbbell in your mouth and keeping your balance.
Chesticles... gold. Thank you
Best channel ever.
My experience overhead pressing. Full range of motion OHP doesn't impinge as Ripp says. Some things to be careful of. OHP one rep maxes should be rare. You can hurt your shoulders pushing max weights too often on OHP. And an article I read by Bill Starr on Starting Strength had me doing Press Starts where you take a weight slightly heavier than your one rep max and push it as hard as you can off the shoulders. Press Starts did impinge my shoulder, though they did increase my OHP. I've decided no more Press Starts. I'm sticking with full range of motion OHP and sticking to higher reps than a 1RM. You lose your groove on heavy 1RM OHP and you can really mess your shoulders up.
These are always nice
Mr. Rip, could you also elaborate on overhead press's effect on the spine. My friend experienced cervical disk herniation while doing this exercise. I am aware of several threads discussing this injury on starting strength webpage. However it will be helpful to know the anatomical effect of overhead press on the spine and which specific mistakes could lead to disk herniation.
Thanks for your reply. My friend has disk herniation in C4-C5, C5-C6 and C6-C7, but the most severe is C6-C7 and it is impinging the nerve route which goes to the right hand. As I gather from the discussions in starting strength forum, Mr. Rip has also had a similar injury.
@@surbhikhetrapal1975 Rip also has c6-c7, he had a fusion operation on it though. And I've met a few people who completely relieved the pain of their c6-c7 herniation by pressing ss style, just strengthening that part of their back. How is your friend now? Any updates?
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"It might well have been the first exercise after the first barbell was discovered..."
Proceeds to say how one had to CLEAN the barbell up press it/rack it.
All day is press day 💪💪💪💪
Why your podcasts are not on stitcher?
So...if I DO feel almost the same pinching sensation when I put my arms overhead as when they are out in a raised "T" shape, what does that mean? Does that mean my scapula isn't moving properly? Because I've had this issue for years and cannot get rid of it. I just want to be able to OHP comfortably.
westogoods If you are shrugging as far as you can at the top and still having issues, you may need to see a coach to sort out form and figure out alternatives.
I've seen a SS coach, and they simply said I was tight. I've done years of stretching of all types and nothing has helped. This all started since I was a highly competitive swimmer from age 5-20, and Rip here talks about how swimming leads to shoulder issues (which is no secret). I'd like to find a coach who can really take me through the process of getting my shoulders better, or at least give me a path.
Does layback help?
I have to have significant layback to get the bar overhead and over mid-foot. It still leads to pain my shoulder, similar to that impingement effect Rip talks about here. Also, I'm completely unable to shrug in that overhead position, everything just feels stuck.
westogoods Have you ever tried doing shoulder dislocates with a bar? Or the skin the cat exercise on gymnast rings? Also, you may have better luck pressing with a neutral grip multibar or strongman log.
I'm getting better with the press but it's been stalled for a while now. Total beginner here but all my other lifts are moving up while its just stuck. Pretty discouraged.
Consult "The Three Questions" article by Rip-- (1) are you resting enough between sets; (2) are you taking small enough incremental jumps (2.5 lb, 1.25 lb, etc) between workouts; (3) are you eating enough
This video helped me, especially the breathing method and rebound on the bottom: th-cam.com/video/PjbSXItiMkI/w-d-xo.html
Increaee frequency
i was stuck for months even after deloads, did a deload again and started using microplates along with switching to texas method just for press and man it worked.
"Chesticles" . A shame that this word doesn't have a translation to Br-Portuguese.
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I like to overhead press after my deadlift, like a superset
The Standing Dumbbell Overhead Press is the superior movement
Nope. The Press is superior.
Both are important
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