Before watching, here's my opinion. Hebi Sasuke is cooked. Pain can just absorb anything Sasuke throws at him. Taka Sasuke is also cooked. Amaterasu is getting negged by Shinra Tensei. FKS Sasuke was implied to be around the same level as Sage Naruto. If he's around the level of Sage Naruto, he lost to Pain, mainly without all the help Naruto had and the lack of Sage Mode to counter Pain. Early EMS Sasuke will probably win medium or high difficulty but war EMS Sasuke (especially Juubito fight EMS Sasuke) stomps Pain
In his defense, Naruto didn’t have any more help than Nagato + intel/prep time + 6 puppet corpses all equipped with rinnegan + Konan as a personal bodyguard did. It was team vs team. Same should be done for Sasuke(haven’t watched yet either). It would be unfair if Six pit Sasuke against the Six Paths of Pain without his Taka squad. Nobody(non-kage-tier, and it’s gotta be HIGH Kage tier at that) should be fighting Six Paths of Pain by themselves. Dude was OP *and* prepared when he attacked the leaf. Obviously for the videos they wont have any knowledge of each other, it will be blank slate, but SM Naruto *needed* a team to compete with pain when he invaded the leaf bro, literally. He aint know shit about Pain or the rinnegan but Pain knew everything about Naruto already.
technically its debatable if pain can absorb sasuke's attacks in cm cuz cm power is senjutsu (not as strong as sage mode but its still is nature energy). early ems sasuke is pretty ass, it took all of sage naruto then six tails then sage naruto again to beat pain. I don't think early ems sasuke can do all that when all his jutsu can get absorbed.
@@marqusmedina5983He clear every round bro. There’s 6 pains and one of them summons animals the size of chief. Sasuke is not fighting Pain by himself, it’s just not happening. He needs Taka.
@@aymanriki1018Tendo Pain could push all of Sasuke’s CM attacks like he did Naruto’s. Also Tendo capitalized on SM running out *after losing the other pains* then Naruto went 6 tails mode. He never fought SM Naruto prior to his six tails transformation. Reminder, the Pains are corpses that doesn’t feel any pain. Tendo ran from 6 tails Naruto to *survive* him since eventually 6 tails Naruto was going to dismember him and incapacitate Tendo like the other pains. So he ran. He doesn’t get tired, he doesn’t get injured or have any chakra reserves of his own. Just cooldowns. Once it was finally down to exhausted/injured SM Naruto vs Tendo Pain, Tendo lost handily. MS/EMS Sasuke would fold Tendo in a 1 v 1. The issue would be getting him alone and having enough strength left over to actually beat him. Naruto kept up with Nagato cause they’re both Uzumaki. Sasuke might not be able to keep up in the battle of attrition, even with his team, and by the time he finally gets Tendo alone he probably wouldn’t even be able to use his MS anymore. So who knows.
@@tyronelorenzovalentio3414 I mean considering the fact we know Kage Summit Sasuke is about Relative to Sage mode Naruto and Pain after using up so much of his Chakra destroying the village in his pursuit of Naruto and then still fought Naruto and beat him (while holding back since he was trying to capture Naruto not kill him) and the STILL when up against his MUCH more powerful 6 tails form and was very much a match for him AND Captured his 6 tails form TOO until the 9 tails broke out and then he had a whole round 2 with a fresh Sage Mode Naruto all over again to finally be defeated... I mean it's pretty obvious anything less that EMS Sasuke (and KCM Naruto for that matter) is not defeating Pain. Dude has Rinnegan...which was literally considered the eye of the gods in the show.
If we really want to break it into multiple rounds, we can do a Jiriya situation, where individual paths attack him vs a hidden leaf situation where they all attack at once. One of the reasons I honestly find Pain so interesting in vs stuff.
15:27 In the same chapter Madara said it would be a pity to kill sasuke and wanted to ask sasuke to be on his side with the sword in his arms so its likely he choose not to dodge so he could talk to sasuke
Definitely, and allowed Sasuke to get close so he could “sense/feel” Sasuke’s STRAIGHT TOMOE EMS. That’s what made Madara even consider Sasuke as someone to work with/under him
One of the main reasons Sasuke struggled against Deidara is because he went out of his way to avoid killing him. He had many opportunities to, but he was still on his whole "Moral compass, I only wanna kill Itachi" shpeel. Can't say the same for Deidara. it's a bit like why Naruto struggled with Sasuke in their final battle despite all the help and power-ups from all the other tailed beasts. Sasuke had to forcably take the tailed beasts chakra just to be a match
I've been saying for a while, that raikages speed is slept on. I don't think many people realize the difference between him at 5 kage summit, vs hik facing minato about 2 decades prior. Not wanting to go into the whole spectacle myself, it's nice someone touches up on it to an extent
11:16 actually if you look on panel, Naruto isn't talking about sage mode speed exactly, he's referring that sage mode gives him better intuition/reaction
One question i always had was what if Sasuke prepares atmosphere for kirin while pain is doing chibaku tensei and once he's trapped inside he uses it on the rock to break himself out. I think it's possible.
That could... actually work.. Even more so if he doesn't wait for chibaku tensei to complete and uses Kirin on the gravitational orb or whatever that is and destroy. Cuz yk... Why wait for the planet to complete when it'll be harder to destroy it.
Yea i mentioned it in threads too, kirin is his guaranteed win con, the question is how will he sneak it without them preparing defenses it can't be absorbed since it natural lightening, but also if sasuke went on the battle field , threw kirin on himself and pains and snake shed at the right time SOUNDS CHEESY but whatever works works 😂
Yep! AND then he's out of chakra. GG Pain wins. Don't forget: he planned that out against Itachi because he also used fire jutsu, like great fireball and amaterasu. Without Itachi's jutsus, it's likely it can't work against non-fire using foes.
@@HackedGlitch265 tf? He doesn't need preparation for kirin. Hebi sasuke was about to blast naruto sai sakura and yamato with kirin but orochimaru stopped him.
Great Video, and pretty much sums up my thoughts on the debate as well. I know for certain someone is gonna respond and make a debunk on that "Kakuzu is one of the weakest Akatauki members" statement lol
1:09 - This was very well researched, Six. I'm glad that you opened with trying to right a misconception about Hebi Sasuke, where he has a potential to overcome the Akatsuki. If HEBI was really stronger than the Akatsuki, then the entire story breaks down. Sasuke could solo them all and Tobi's Plan would fail.
Here me out I wouldn't say it's a misconception and Its not black n white , if sasuke has the ability to kill each akatski it doesn't break the story, because itachi seals him anyway, curse mark 2 was underutilized in shippuden and orochimarus 8 hydra form wasn't expanded on either we see the broken potential of orochimaru with kabuto, Hebi sasuke can beat most of the akatski simply because of his hax, konan, hidan, kakazu deidara lose in close combat but again Just chidroi varients, these shouldn't really be debatable kisame is a tank but curse mark 2 sasuke can get the job done if he not wreckless (which he's not), kisame absorbing bees Chakra gives the idea that he's just that strong when he's not, he did decent vs guy tho orochimaru even states sasuke is above 4 tails naruto if that means anything, again not glazing hebi And Ik his name is spoken alot about recently but he is genuinely down played for 0 reason, itachi was trying to subdue sasuke but heavily underestimated him stated multiple times sasuke broke out tsukuyomi but people are too emotional to accept that, mind you obito is scared of this same itachi, Obitos win con is kami but that doesn't mean he just wins every fight clearly he's a slippery fighter it just means that if he times it right he can kill sasuke from behind although the same can be said with sasuke who can snake shed or pull a spiky wing out if he times it regardless that match Even if u say obito wins more odds Sasuke does have the tools to beat him ,if itachi was blood listed and spammed black flames He can beat sasuke since shedding uses alot of Chakra but same can be sasuke if sasuke just uses kirin from a distance and times out itachi, pain is a good one sasuke similar to jiraya in the same environment can kill the weaker paths but if it's 6 v 1 sasuke loses, his only option is escape with curse mark 2 lo, kirin tho if that happens beats the paths It's natural lightening it can't be absorbed, And I don't think manda alone can fight all the summons, if sasuke is in place of sage naruto high chances he loses like 7/10, but if he uses kirin there's no counter and sasuke has the tools to escape, pain and itachi and kisame and tobi all have win cons, some are just more likely than others sasuke has all the defenses for itachi but would need to kill him before he's timed out by black flames , pain can only be beat in 1v1 situations, kisame has to be killed before the battle is drawn out , tobi has to be perfectly countered before he catches you with kamui, these are ideal situations for sasuke but he always has that what if he just jump scared with kirin.. Again I just wanted to point out sasukes win cons not that he blindly stomps all akatski, but for the ones I mentioned above yea konan and alot of the mid level akatski are sorry..
That isn't a misconception, no one apart from literal fanboys actually believe that statement Especially when we see him struggle hard with deidara who isn't anywhere near pain, obito or itachi
8:07 thank god for not using that as a reason to downplay sasuke, istg people always use that statement out of context to claim ms sasuke vs sm naruto isnt close at all
Imo I feel like him saying his rinnegan can deter even this one more so implies that rinnegan can normally resist them but he didn’t think his rinnegan could ignore one THAT strong
Sasuke gets overwhelmed, Pain honestly is underrated sometimes. Naruto would have failed if not for Kurama and that unpredictable power buff towards the end. And that's despite the fact that Naruto had knowledge and substantial prep time (other sage mode shadow clones).Pain managed to take down Sage Mode Naruto with prep + knowledge after clapping the entire leaf village (which included Kakashi and Shizune). Sasuke around that point in the story barely defeated Deidara and beat a non-bloodlusted Itachi. Sasuke would have a very difficult time striking all six paths due to their shared vision and Pain can absorb all of his ninjutsu. IIRC it's possible to pull someone out of a susano, so he could be pulled out of that assuming Sasuke has the incomplete susano at this point.Sasuke fails utterly. He doesn't have genjutsu strong enough to throw off the Pains (like Ma/Pa genjutsu), doesn't have invisible attacks (e.g frog taijutsu), and tbh I doubt he has the firepower or stamina to compete with Pain.
Sasuke doesnt have strong enough genjustu? I feel like he could pull something out. Only two paths can negate ninjutsu. Sasuke would definitely use the susanoo’s defense to his advantage and exploit that with amaterasu. I have 5ks winning 4/10 times.
@@elhood4060 FKS Sasuke could win if he had all the advantages Naruto had. (Pain exhausted from nuking village, Slug Intel, 5 summons who summoned themselves, Hinata, Minato and Kurama.
I could be wrong but abt the statement naruto made abt sage mode and i don’t remember word for word but i think what he meant by faster was in reaction speed because sage mode has some sensory pre cog typa thing
imma argue that Naruto was saying sage mode has better reaction speed than kcm1 sense he brought up danger sensing which is only shown with sage mode/kcm.
My opinion before watching Hebi Sasuke loses but I believe he has Kirin as a win condition Taka Sasuke (Meaning post danzo fight if he had full vision) beats Pain EMS and Rinnegan beat pain
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Nagato is one of if not THE most underrated characters in the show. Sasuke can’t definitively defeat pain until he gets his SO6P chakra power up even EMS Sasuke would would likely lose & only win with VERY high difficulty
@@jacobjensen7704 Well 1. Sasuke wasn’t alone lol 2. He wasn’t winning that fight & especially not by himself, His fight with obito and ten tells certainly isn’t an anti feat but it doesn’t prove he dominates pain 3. Obito is an overrated bum, just threw that last one in for fun 😉
But this is pain, not nagato himself, pain is obviously weaker than Nagato due to them being split into 6 people. And EMS most definitely would win mid-high diff
@@nasywanmuhammadyusuf7d920 While I do understand & agree he is far more deadly as a singular body it dosen’t lessen the potency of his abilities Nagato/ Pain is by far 1 of the most underrated characters. I can’t begin to describe how cracked nagato having the rinnegan is in shippuden truly is. TILL THIS VERY DAY the rinnegan poses a threat to the main cast. I can go full breakdown for you but just a heads up your talking to a guy who believes obito without intel on nagato/pain would also lose to him and I believe nagato is at the TOP of the verse until we see madara again in the war arc. After Madara Hashirama & Minato die(original deaths) Top In the verse goes 1. Nagato 2. Itachi ( I think he would be #1 if not sick ) 3. Might guy 4. Obito ( I think he’s highly overrated )
A healthy Nagato beats the Sasuke who faces Naruto at the end of the original Naruto manga, the difference between the two is that Nagato is a sensory-type ninja and being from the Uzumaki Clan and with Senju lineage, he has much more chakra than Sasuke, also Sasuke uses the chakra of the 9 bijuus, this is like Nagato using the chakra of the 9 bijuus in the Gedo Mazo
MS sasuke scales somewhere around Kcm Naruto because Naruto admitted he needed to master kuramas chakra to defeat sasuke. I think sasuke high diffs pain if he fights without any plot armor. However if he fights pain in Naruto’s position then it should be extremely low diff due to how intelligent sasuke is. Prep knowledge literally makes the fight too easy for sasuke. Not to mention a nerfed deva path + animal summons.
Even tho naruto flat out says “need kuramas chakra” People still want to twist the narrative and pretend he was talking about hatred. Straight copium lol. If Naruto was talking about hatred he would have said hatred. The fact that he DIRECTLY says chakra throws all that copium out of the window. This is LITERALLY kishimoto telling us he needs Kcm to face sasuke. Naruto fans can be so delusional it’s crazy.
A healthy Nagato beats the Sasuke who faces Naruto at the end of the original Naruto manga, the difference between the two is that Nagato is a sensory-type ninja and being from the Uzumaki Clan and with Senju lineage, he has much more chakra than Sasuke, also Sasuke uses the chakra of the 9 bijuus, this is like Nagato using the chakra of the 9 bijuus in the Gedo Mazo
One other thing is home advantage and knowledge on the opponent , everyone had intel on what sasuke had maybe apart from kirin and susano at that point
6:01 Yeah, it seems like if less than 6 Paths of Pain are hit with a Genjutsu, then Nagato should be able to break the Paths out. Because he should be experiencing both being in a Genjutsu and not being in a Genjutsu at the same time, it's easy to tell which is real
1:45 just saying, Sasuke went the entire battle trying to keep deidara alive to question about itachi. Sasuke wasn't quite going all out. Least not in the way most people think of
six literally changes narratives to fit his new argument , he literally made a sasuke vs deidara analysis of like a month ago pretty sure he mentioned sasuke was stalling but now he doesn't mention it, hebi sasuke keeps catching strays
A healthy Nagato beats the Sasuke who faces Naruto at the end of the original Naruto manga, the difference between the two is that Nagato is a sensory-type ninja and being from the Uzumaki Clan and with Senju lineage, he has much more chakra than Sasuke, also Sasuke uses the chakra of the 9 bijuus, this is like Nagato using the chakra of the 9 bijuus in the Gedo Mazo
@iricotengu3319 no, nagato doesn't hold a candle to aasuke at the end. Sasuke and naruto are above any character that came b4 them at the end of the series
@iricotengu3319 nagato and Sasuke are above 8 gate guy at the end. 8 gate guy is the strongest character outside of ootsukis and naruto and sasuke They went from needing the shinobi alliance fighting against juubito, to having madara piss himslef and speed up infinite tsukuyomi
He can, but he'd have to catch him first. I mean he could take Kakashi's soul too but the path that was capable of doing that was not strong enough to get that job done. Sasuke is a lot more powerful than Kakashi
Every single form of Sasuke pre six-paths, including EMS, gets handled quite handily by Pain; even EMS gets mid diffed by Pain, potentially even low diff in certain scenarios. Do not overestimate Sasuke’s capabilities and downplay Pains; do not utilize misinformation. Pain negates Sasuke’s entire arsenal. As for the Amaterasu, then Pain not only as the insane reaction speed to react to it, but he also is able to sense it coming; as we see with Nagato when he was warning Naruto; Tendo can destroy the Amaterasu with the Almighty Push, and the Preta Path can absorb it, and the Rinnegan animals could tank it if need be. As for the Amaterasu against the Animal Path’s summons, namely the dogs, then we know from the series that the dogs are ten in number. If the dogs split into ten separate forms and attempt to surround Sasuke from every direction, which they very likely will, it is impossible to argue that Sasuke can just use Amaterasu to get out of that situation and just move on to another scenario; that is not correct for two reasons. Firstly: As I have already mentioned, there are two Paths of Pain who categorically negate the Amaterasu; if the Preta Path is close in proximity to a dog that is being targeted by the Amaterasu, then he can simply absorb it. More reliably, however, is Tendo Pain. We know that the Almighty Push is capable of being used at a distance. So even if Tendo Pain is far from the dog that is being targeted by the Amaterasu, he should be able to simply use the Almighty Push to negate the black flames from a distance. Secondly: On top of the first point, how can you even potentially argue that Sasuke can simply look at the dogs charging at him from every single direction and use the Amaterasu without something happening? In short, you would be saying that Sasuke can just look in one direction and use the Amaterasu on a dog, look in another direction and use it on another dog, look in another direction and use it on another dog; all of that without being hit? How slow do you think the dogs are? Jiraiya, on top of Mr. Gamaken, was unable to flee from the dogs while traversing the rain village. Not to mention that the Paths of Pain themselves would be attacking Sasuke. So that argument has been debunked. As for the Chidori Stream, then the Paths of Pain attack their enemies in a coordinated manner. When they fight, they do not attack unnecessarily and without strategy. For example, in an anime-only but still canon flashback, Utakata in his Version 2 form attacked the Human Path with a jutsu, the Preta Path absorbed it afterwards. Even if, hypothetically speaking, the Six Paths of Pain are closely surrounding Sasuke, to argue that Sasuke would get the upper hand because of the Chidori Stream is invalid; not only because of the Preta Path but more-so because of Tendo Pain. The Chidori Stream is an AOE (Area of Effect) attack. Do you know what else is? The Almighty Push. So once Pain recognizes that Sasuke is using the Chidori Stream, an AOE attack, Tendo will use the Almighty Push to negate the entire thing. That argument is also debunked. As for Kirin, then even if, hypothetically speaking, something happens to the Preta Path; the time it takes for Sasuke to weave the signs, activate the Jutsu, prepare it, and then finally use it takes a bit of time; more then enough time for the Naraka Path to revive the Preta Path who will ultimately absorb Kirin which will substantially harm Sasuke’s chakra supply while giving Pain a lot of Chakra. Also, even arguing that the Preta Path will even be taken out in the first place is extremely far-fetched; I do not subscribe to that scenario given the fact that Pain shuts down Sasuke’s arsenal and completely overwhelms him. As for the Susano, then I will first discuss the Susano rib-cage. The Susano rib-cage has been shown getting damaged or destroyed a number of times. During the Five Kage Summit, the Fourth Raikage A tears right through Sasuke’s susano rib cage with just his physical strength. Also, during the fight between Madara and the Five Kage, Tsunade cracks Madara’s Susano with a single punch, and then destroys the front of it completely with some assistance from A and Ohnoki. So, if the Susano ribcage was unable to withstand the attacks of A and Tsunade, then there is absolutely no way that it can survive the mini-nuke of the Asura Path. When Pain invaded the Leaf Village, the Asura path uses the mini-nuke to destroy an entire sector of the Leaf Village; the Susano ribcage does not have nearly enough defense to withstand that kind of crazy firepower. So if the Asura Path uses that mini nuke in front of Sasuke, even if he is in the Susano ribcage, then Sasuke has two options; either he activates his complete susano or not. If he does not, then Sasuke dies and flat out loses the fight. If he activates his complete Susano, then he will likely survive; however even if he does activate his complete Susano; he will still likely, at the very least, get really shaken up by the enormous blast-wave. The combination attacks of Darui, Kankuro, Temari, and Gaara do not compare to the Asura Path’s mini nuke; an attack so powerful it destroyed an entire sector of the Leaf Village. So Sasuke, at the very least, will still get shaken up by that mini-nuke; but he will possibly survive. Even a barrage of missiles from the Asura Path will very likely be enough to get rid of the Susano rib cage. Now we move on to the complete Susano, As for the Arrow, then Tendo can simply use the Almighty Push to stop it. As for dealing with the Susano itself, then Tendo can pull Sasuke out of it using Universal Pull to stop the Susano. If Gaara was able to pull Madara out of his Susano using his sand, then Pain can definitely pull someone out of their susano using the Universal Pull. As for the Planetary Devastation, then you need an unbelievable amount of firepower to defeat Pain’s Planetary Devastation, firepower which Sasuke, on his own in that instance, does not possess. It took KCM Naruto, Killer Bee, and Itachi to use their most powerful attacks to stop the Planetary Devastation; and just for the record, Itachi’s Yasaka Beads were hard carried by the Rasen Shuriken and Tailed Beast Bomb. The Yasaka Beads are not very impressive in strength as we see from various battles. Version 2 Naruto, aka V2 Kurama, was barely scratching the surface of the Planetary Devastation, and he was spamming constant volleys of chakra bombs at the mini planet. So I do not subscribe to the claim that Sasuke Susano Arrows, even if he spammed them, would be enough to stop the Planetary Devastation. On top of the lack of necessary firepower on Sasuke’s part, Pain will not only constantly be repairing any potential damage that Sasuke inflicts but will also be completing the Jutsu as a whole. It also important to mention that Pain’s Planetary Devastation takes almost no time at all to reach near completion. It took about a minute for the entire thing to nearly form against V2 Kurama. So by the time Sasuke even realizes what is going on and attempts to make a plan to try to remedy the situation; it will be too late, even if Sasuke tries spamming Susano Arrows, I do not believe that would stop the Planetary Devastation, I completely disagree with that take along with many other ones. If he attempts to summon Aoda and use the reverse summoning, then as I mentioned before; the Almighty Push is capable of being used at a distance and Pain is able to multi-task while using Planetary Devastation, so he can potentially just get rid of Aoda while using the attack. Also, Pain will not need Planetary Devastation for this fight, I just wanted to rebut that particular issue. Now, that pretty much clears all the necessary issues, and I have not even mentioned how Pain might just low Diff even EMS Sasuke by using the Almighty Push. Not the catastrophic one of course, there is no need for that; but rather one of the lethal variants such as when Pain one shotted, while severely weakened and exhausted, Gamabunta, Gamahiro, and Mr. Gamaken; or the other leaf Shinobi earlier on in the invasion. So, no matter what Sasuke does; Pain just categorically negates his entire arsenal. Amaterasu does not work, his various Justus such as Kirin do not work, Susano does not work, etc. Pain will pull Sasuke into some crazy combination attack and either destroy him with the Asura Path, absorb his Chakra with the Preta Path, insta-kill him with the Human Path, impale Sasuke with the Chakra Rods; however it may be. Do not use misinformation and make up random power spikes, Pain objectively defeats every single form of Sasuke pre-six paths quite handily; even EMS.
@@voltonator7991 A healthy Nagato beats the Sasuke who faces Naruto at the end of the original Naruto manga, the difference between the two is that Nagato is a sensory-type ninja and being from the Uzumaki Clan and with Senju lineage, he has much more chakra than Sasuke, also Sasuke uses the chakra of the 9 bijuus, this is like Nagato using the chakra of the 9 bijuus in the Gedo Mazo
When it was 5 kage sumit sauske you started the fight with only tendo left, and didn't explain how he beat the others it's a little confusing you didn't talk about the animal summons or the fact the naraka path can heal others.
I agree with you Mr Six but i do think tendo pain is wayyy stronger than we give him credit for especially against EMS Sasuke. There's a difference in the speed of tendo pain when trying to CAPTURE not KILL Naruto vs when Naruto goes into 8 tail mode or something. The speed is crazy, bro doesnt die and crazy endurance. At that point Tendo pain was moving lightning fast, because that kyuubi was crazy, Genjutsu doesn't affect the rinnegan too as The Rinnegan allows the user to perceive chakra and break out of genjutsu more easily, its heightened visual perception makes it harder for genjutsu to trap the Rinnegan user. The Rinnegan also grants the ability to absorb chakra. This can be used to disrupt the flow of chakra that powers genjutsu, effectively nullifying the illusion. If Tendo Pain really went all out, He'd mop Sasuke and to top the icicng, Tendo pain doesn't feel PAIN, bro only Buffers! this is my own opinion tho
This a debate? Naruto needed frogs and Ninetails to fight that dude, tf Sasuke gonna do with em. Itachi went blow for blow with reanimated Pain and even he needed help from Bee and Naruto.
@@jacobjensen7704reanimated Nagato was still under the control of Kabuto. He wasn’t going after itachi at all. Let’s not act like itachi was taking on nagato 1v1 😂 stop the riding
Sasuke needed someone else's eyes... Naruto's power doesn't come from the 9 tails. His true power comes from his body's ability to contain that much chakra and perfectly control it without any modifications.
People seriously sleep on Pain and fail to account for some pretty big facts. First there is zero evidence of the Sharigan ever effecting a Rennigan user. All we see work on it is the Genjustsu from Ma and Pa which is heavily amped with nature chakra and considered among the strongest in the verse. Second Pain is almost a perfect counter to a Sharigan user as he is immune to the Sharigan genjutsu and can perfectly time his attacks and defences thanks to the linked vision to hit the opponent in their blind spots or overwhelm their vision with multiple attacks as we see with Bee vs Sasuke and Guy vs Obito. Third Pain in the Leaf village is a fair bit weaker than in the Rain Village. He is further from his main body limiting the skills he can use. He was heavily weakened by taking on and destroying the entire leaf village. Naruto had full Intel on him and multiple top tier summons that are arguably Kage level in their own rights multiple sage clones to recharge his Sage Chakra and he still lost. There is a good argument to be made that Naruto isn’t stronger than Jiriya yet at this. As for the Sage mode Feat vs 3rd Raikage? A common misunderstanding. Naruto was trying to say Sage mode allowed him to Predict and react much faster thanks to its amped sensory abilities not that it was a physically faster form than KCM1. End of the day I think Pain is a pretty hard counter to Sharigan users in particular and Sasuke doesn’t really stand a chance until late into the War Arc.
As the lonely one, Kusakabe, got ready to fight the Glazed One, Sukuna, he thought, "am I the strongest because everyone else is dead, or is everyone else dead because I'm the strongest?" Just then Kusakabe realized that throughout heaven and Earth, he alone is the strongest sorcerer available.
@@LinkTheKink Yes. Sasuke wasn’t doing shit against anyone in that war. If he didn’t have Naruto, or any of the kage to fall back on, he would’ve died in seconds. Pain crushes Sasuke.
@@sagestein6252regardless of sasuke not scaling to juubito by himself(no shit?) he kept pace with kcm 2 naruto in that fight meaning hes fast enough to speed blitz pain and his susanoo is more than powerful enough to destroy the paths of pain, and amaterasu can destroy them too. thats if he doesnt just use genjutsu which weve seen against jiraiya that the pains are suceptible to and sasuke can cast an omnidirectional genjutsu on all 9 bijuu, the pains are light work
@@AidenB1010sasuke was fast enough to speed blitz pain back in FKS, he was able to match V1 raikages speed and even react to V2 on numerous occasions, Pain hasn’t shown a single speed feat or has speed scaling to put him here 😂
A Genjustu even if successful wouldn’t do anything. The 6 Paths of pain are just corpses, essentially a zombie with the chakra rods inside. If the genjutsu is used on any one of them Nagato would notice immediately because of the chakra disruption or the foreign chakra inside the body. As for Nagato I’m not sure if he’s susceptible to genjustu. If he is Izinami is still an option. However Itachi felt it necessary for Kabuto but not Nagato.
Until Late Stage EMS/Rinnegan Sasuke has No chance With no reason to push/Capture Sasuke - Naraka Stays in Back for Endless heals -Tendo stays back as Last resort -Preta Path protects Naraka and Tendo - Animal Path pushes with Summonings that can Attack from Multiple Ranges and Also use Summonings like Invisible Gecko to recover bodies -Human Path Pushes alongside the Summonings -Asura Path pushes alongside the Long Range summonings attacking from the Flank -Even if Sasuke beats all of these Obstacles Sasuke then has to foght a Full power tendo
I feel like it is also important to acknowledge that when Naruto fought pain, pain would have already been down a lot of chakra. Also, KCM2 Naruto would have been much more fatigued than ems Sasuke at the point of them fighting Jubito, so the comparisons between the two is difficult to make.
I wanted to ask how do you use anime music, for example death note soundtrack here on the background? It doesn’t get copyrighted if you talk over it? What’s the details behind its usage?
@13:09 what? Naruto literally used Tendo's rod to stab himself to find Nagatos location and those same rods can penetrate sage Jiraya (pause). So Pain definitely can hurt em in sage mode
I'd like to see a video of each Akatsuki members individually fights the entire JJK verse. Is there any Akatsuki member that can individually solo the entire JJK verse?
@@brandito5480 congratulations, you just summarized my entire point. We're already back to speed blitz gg vs infinity gg. Not an akatsuki vs jjk analysis. To respond to your message, Deidara and Sasori start with C4/Sasori super poisons in regards to how you scale infinities porosity. Out of Character Konan could handle gojo (lets make a 6B paper bomb chibaku tensei and suffocate him, so similar to how Kisame would handle Gojo). Kakazu, is this feats based or clashed with Hashirama statement meme scaling. That leaves Hidan, sheeeit. Who could have seen this coming Kaka
@@jacobjensen7704 scaling is all subjective bs once we get into powers interacting with reality in a way that wouldnt be 1:1 with how we math/scientifically model the universe. That said, if you're consistent with how you do that scaling, naruto would be too
15:41 Tbh there's no reason Sasuke would stab Madara's tricep Madara would let himself get stabbed to lock up Sasuke's sword. You can kinda see this is what's happening because Sasuke is overextended after Madara takes the stab. He can't control the range because his sword got stuck On the other hand, if Sasuke actually landed a hit, he would aim for something more important. An organ or an artery, maybe even a joint. So it doesn't seem like Sasuke actually hit his target
6 already explained but Madara was literally trying to dodge Sasuke prior to it. Madara shifting his body so that his triceps gets hit just means he couldn't dodge Sasuke's attack which is what 6 was the point was Which is pretty impressive considering a "weightless" 4th Raikage could barely touch a weaker version of Madara
@@azureflow9972 I'm just saying that's not the only explanation. It's hard to prove that Madara was not able to evade anymore. Even the statement from Madara that Sasuke "has good moves" is kinda ambiguous, he doesn't say anything about Sasuke being dangerous
@@takatotakasui8307 it's probably talking about his swordsman skills with how he uses his sword because he is not stronger than KCM 2 Naruto let alone if he fuses Safe mode with it
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The character who use bombs is underrated if you did not have special eyes or lightning techniques bombs beat most things. It was very unorthodox fighting style really interesting Naruto fight in general.
this video is excellent but i think madara let sasuke hit him so he could talk and give him a chance to retreat thats why he let him hit him on a non vital spot. Ms sasuke takes down four pains end of Ms takes down 5 except tendo because tendo needs to go to nagatos location to perform chibaku tensei and with karin in his presence pain cannot actually damage sasukes susano. early ems beats nagato. Only 2pains can couter amaterasu and sasuke also had a team just like 6pains so...
My personal opinion… Hebi Sasuke takes out 1 or 2 of the weaker paths, and if the Absorption-Path isn’t fast enough to absorb kirin, then sure… That’s as many as he takes out, but if not then he can probably take out 3-4 of the paths, going from weakest to strongest. Taka Sasuke just gets mopped, there’s no contest. Amataerasu? Okay, Shinra Tensei. 5KS(Raikage Fight) - He loses. I don’t even think his chidori can pierce Pain who was boxing with 6-tails Naruto, tho he is faster than Pain in my opinion. 5KS(Danzo Fight) - I think stands a chance, especially if it’s in the Rain Village. Pain is NOT dodging a Susano Arrow, and Sasuke with enough hatred amps could probably box with Tendo, but one Chibaku Tensei or big Shinra Tensei, it’s over with. EMS Sasuke(Kabuto Fight) - I think he edges out mid-high diff. EMS Sasuke(Pre-Juubito Fight)… Again, edges out. Mid Diff EMS Sasuke(Post Juubito Fight) - Pain stands no chance. This Sasuke’s fighting against Juubito along side Bijuu Sage Mode Naruto… who’s comparable to Base-Edo Hashirama, and even manages to land a hit on Blind-Sage Madara with his sword once. FP EMS Sasuke vs Edo Nagato? I think Sasuke wins Mid diff. Probably low.
I see what’s being said here and I think you’re being very generous to sasuke but it’s for the most part accurate . There’s obviously a lot to cover but kakazu is not one of the weaker akatsuki members even if it seems that way at face value he beats sasuke. I think Kishimoto makes it pretty clear that Naruto narratively is always stronger and faster than sasuke even when fatigued and sasuke has to play catch-up he’s also sharper to some degree. It’s because of the opponent matchups Naruto beats and gets paired with the stronger opponent since the start of the series and is always potentially drained . I do think sage mode is faster because of how the frogs describe it and how the ten tailed is basically immeasurable energy you won’t get tired but forever grow in power and stamina but it takes more training to use it longer and get into it faster but kcm was used and emphasized because of how much longer it can last for him at that time also the amount of chakra kurama has readily available. But good video w I enjoyed it
Only disagreement has nothing to do with the matchup. Madara let himself be stabbed. He has Sage Hashirama cells that he jerks off constantly. Madara pretty consistently fights just above his opponents, and taking hits he later shows he didn't have to. I don't know why people talk about No-eyed Madara like he didn't just hit a Phoenix Down, has Sage Hashirama cells, and can even use partial Susanoo in this form. Meanwhile, everyone else had been fighting him and Juubito for the passed half a day. You don't scale relative to someone who immediately one-handed bitch chokes and stabs you with your own sword afterwards. That doesn't make sense. Because it doesn't make sense for this Sasuke to be relative to that Madara, even if EMS Sasuke might be at full power.
@@IIIISai Taka Sasuke is the one right after Itachi's death after Sasuke awakens the Mangekyo Sharingan, and also the five kage summit version, (which have different power levels becuase o fhow many amps Sasuke gets at the five kage summit). I believe he's the weakest version of Sasuke we saw up to that point aside from part 1 Sasuke.
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Before watching, here's my opinion. Hebi Sasuke is cooked. Pain can just absorb anything Sasuke throws at him. Taka Sasuke is also cooked. Amaterasu is getting negged by Shinra Tensei. FKS Sasuke was implied to be around the same level as Sage Naruto. If he's around the level of Sage Naruto, he lost to Pain, mainly without all the help Naruto had and the lack of Sage Mode to counter Pain. Early EMS Sasuke will probably win medium or high difficulty but war EMS Sasuke (especially Juubito fight EMS Sasuke) stomps Pain
In his defense, Naruto didn’t have any more help than Nagato + intel/prep time + 6 puppet corpses all equipped with rinnegan + Konan as a personal bodyguard did.
It was team vs team.
Same should be done for Sasuke(haven’t watched yet either). It would be unfair if Six pit Sasuke against the Six Paths of Pain without his Taka squad.
Nobody(non-kage-tier, and it’s gotta be HIGH Kage tier at that) should be fighting Six Paths of Pain by themselves.
Dude was OP *and* prepared when he attacked the leaf.
Obviously for the videos they wont have any knowledge of each other, it will be blank slate, but SM Naruto *needed* a team to compete with pain when he invaded the leaf bro, literally. He aint know shit about Pain or the rinnegan but Pain knew everything about Naruto already.
Honestly I'd say pain has the potential to win every round but I agree
technically its debatable if pain can absorb sasuke's attacks in cm cuz cm power is senjutsu (not as strong as sage mode but its still is nature energy). early ems sasuke is pretty ass, it took all of sage naruto then six tails then sage naruto again to beat pain. I don't think early ems sasuke can do all that when all his jutsu can get absorbed.
@@marqusmedina5983He clear every round bro. There’s 6 pains and one of them summons animals the size of chief. Sasuke is not fighting Pain by himself, it’s just not happening. He needs Taka.
@@aymanriki1018Tendo Pain could push all of Sasuke’s CM attacks like he did Naruto’s.
Also Tendo capitalized on SM running out *after losing the other pains* then Naruto went 6 tails mode. He never fought SM Naruto prior to his six tails transformation. Reminder, the Pains are corpses that doesn’t feel any pain. Tendo ran from 6 tails Naruto to *survive* him since eventually 6 tails Naruto was going to dismember him and incapacitate Tendo like the other pains. So he ran.
He doesn’t get tired, he doesn’t get injured or have any chakra reserves of his own. Just cooldowns.
Once it was finally down to exhausted/injured SM Naruto vs Tendo Pain, Tendo lost handily. MS/EMS Sasuke would fold Tendo in a 1 v 1. The issue would be getting him alone and having enough strength left over to actually beat him.
Naruto kept up with Nagato cause they’re both Uzumaki. Sasuke might not be able to keep up in the battle of attrition, even with his team, and by the time he finally gets Tendo alone he probably wouldn’t even be able to use his MS anymore. So who knows.
Sasuke and itachi really had a chapter long genjutsu battle. Entire conversations and everything inside their minds 😭😭
anything before sasuke unlocks eternal mangekyo does not even scratch pain imo. video 🔥as usual
What are u waffling
@@tyronelorenzovalentio3414 hol' up, let him cook. Gotta taste the dish before we critique it. If it tastes back, take the chef's coat.
@@DarthMagogdude spitting mad facts frl
@@tyronelorenzovalentio3414 I mean considering the fact we know Kage Summit Sasuke is about Relative to Sage mode Naruto and Pain after using up so much of his Chakra destroying the village in his pursuit of Naruto and then still fought Naruto and beat him (while holding back since he was trying to capture Naruto not kill him) and the STILL when up against his MUCH more powerful 6 tails form and was very much a match for him AND Captured his 6 tails form TOO until the 9 tails broke out and then he had a whole round 2 with a fresh Sage Mode Naruto all over again to finally be defeated...
I mean it's pretty obvious anything less that EMS Sasuke (and KCM Naruto for that matter) is not defeating Pain. Dude has Rinnegan...which was literally considered the eye of the gods in the show.
If we really want to break it into multiple rounds, we can do a Jiriya situation, where individual paths attack him vs a hidden leaf situation where they all attack at once. One of the reasons I honestly find Pain so interesting in vs stuff.
15:27 In the same chapter Madara said it would be a pity to kill sasuke and wanted to ask sasuke to be on his side with the sword in his arms so its likely he choose not to dodge so he could talk to sasuke
Definitely, and allowed Sasuke to get close so he could “sense/feel” Sasuke’s STRAIGHT TOMOE EMS. That’s what made Madara even consider Sasuke as someone to work with/under him
Sasuke looks almost identical to his. brother
Love the thumbnail bro! 🔥
six and mrtommoe make the best anime thumbnails
Another Banger by Six
One of the main reasons Sasuke struggled against Deidara is because he went out of his way to avoid killing him. He had many opportunities to, but he was still on his whole "Moral compass, I only wanna kill Itachi" shpeel.
Can't say the same for Deidara.
it's a bit like why Naruto struggled with Sasuke in their final battle despite all the help and power-ups from all the other tailed beasts. Sasuke had to forcably take the tailed beasts chakra just to be a match
I've been saying for a while, that raikages speed is slept on. I don't think many people realize the difference between him at 5 kage summit, vs hik facing minato about 2 decades prior. Not wanting to go into the whole spectacle myself, it's nice someone touches up on it to an extent
Love this fight, just feels like nobody covers it on youtube for some reason, super hyped to see it on the channel!
11:16 actually if you look on panel, Naruto isn't talking about sage mode speed exactly, he's referring that sage mode gives him better intuition/reaction
One question i always had was what if Sasuke prepares atmosphere for kirin while pain is doing chibaku tensei and once he's trapped inside he uses it on the rock to break himself out. I think it's possible.
That could... actually work.. Even more so if he doesn't wait for chibaku tensei to complete and uses Kirin on the gravitational orb or whatever that is and destroy. Cuz yk... Why wait for the planet to complete when it'll be harder to destroy it.
Yea i mentioned it in threads too, kirin is his guaranteed win con, the question is how will he sneak it without them preparing defenses it can't be absorbed since it natural lightening, but also if sasuke went on the battle field , threw kirin on himself and pains and snake shed at the right time SOUNDS CHEESY but whatever works works 😂
Yep!
AND then he's out of chakra.
GG Pain wins.
Don't forget: he planned that out against Itachi because he also used fire jutsu, like great fireball and amaterasu. Without Itachi's jutsus, it's likely it can't work against non-fire using foes.
@@HackedGlitch265 tf? He doesn't need preparation for kirin. Hebi sasuke was about to blast naruto sai sakura and yamato with kirin but orochimaru stopped him.
@@hardrock8292 Ikr that's even better. Call down kirin before it even starts pulling the ground.
Great Video, and pretty much sums up my thoughts on the debate as well.
I know for certain someone is gonna respond and make a debunk on that "Kakuzu is one of the weakest Akatauki members" statement lol
Yall always tryna diss kakazu why is that a thing new in the naruto community?
@@Invisibleboy999 cause naruto basically middd diffed him
@@-Datboijj- ppl forget bruh was legit swapping hands with kakashi when he had other ppl with him
@@Invisibleboy999kakashi at that point is NOT a high bar and neither is ino shika Cho
@@burlapjack1464 kakashi at that point is still one of the strongest ppl in the leaf i aint saying kakazu is sanin tier or nothing calm down
1:09 - This was very well researched, Six. I'm glad that you opened with trying to right a misconception about Hebi Sasuke, where he has a potential to overcome the Akatsuki. If HEBI was really stronger than the Akatsuki, then the entire story breaks down. Sasuke could solo them all and Tobi's Plan would fail.
Here me out
I wouldn't say it's a misconception and Its not black n white , if sasuke has the ability to kill each akatski it doesn't break the story, because itachi seals him anyway, curse mark 2 was underutilized in shippuden and orochimarus 8 hydra form wasn't expanded on either we see the broken potential of orochimaru with kabuto, Hebi sasuke can beat most of the akatski simply because of his hax, konan, hidan, kakazu deidara lose in close combat but again Just chidroi varients, these shouldn't really be debatable kisame is a tank but curse mark 2 sasuke can get the job done if he not wreckless (which he's not), kisame absorbing bees Chakra gives the idea that he's just that strong when he's not, he did decent vs guy tho orochimaru even states sasuke is above 4 tails naruto if that means anything, again not glazing hebi And Ik his name is spoken alot about recently but he is genuinely down played for 0 reason, itachi was trying to subdue sasuke but heavily underestimated him stated multiple times sasuke broke out tsukuyomi but people are too emotional to accept that, mind you obito is scared of this same itachi, Obitos win con is kami but that doesn't mean he just wins every fight clearly he's a slippery fighter it just means that if he times it right he can kill sasuke from behind although the same can be said with sasuke who can snake shed or pull a spiky wing out if he times it regardless that match Even if u say obito wins more odds Sasuke does have the tools to beat him ,if itachi was blood listed and spammed black flames He can beat sasuke since shedding uses alot of Chakra but same can be sasuke if sasuke just uses kirin from a distance and times out itachi, pain is a good one sasuke similar to jiraya in the same environment can kill the weaker paths but if it's 6 v 1 sasuke loses, his only option is escape with curse mark 2 lo, kirin tho if that happens beats the paths It's natural lightening it can't be absorbed, And I don't think manda alone can fight all the summons, if sasuke is in place of sage naruto high chances he loses like 7/10, but if he uses kirin there's no counter and sasuke has the tools to escape, pain and itachi and kisame and tobi all have win cons, some are just more likely than others sasuke has all the defenses for itachi but would need to kill him before he's timed out by black flames , pain can only be beat in 1v1 situations, kisame has to be killed before the battle is drawn out , tobi has to be perfectly countered before he catches you with kamui, these are ideal situations for sasuke but he always has that what if he just jump scared with kirin..
Again I just wanted to point out sasukes win cons not that he blindly stomps all akatski, but for the ones I mentioned above yea konan and alot of the mid level akatski are sorry..
That isn't a misconception, no one apart from literal fanboys actually believe that statement
Especially when we see him struggle hard with deidara who isn't anywhere near pain, obito or itachi
8:07 thank god for not using that as a reason to downplay sasuke, istg people always use that statement out of context to claim ms sasuke vs sm naruto isnt close at all
They forget Sage Mode Naruto didn't actually beat the Six Paths of Pain
Do you draw the thumbnails yourself? Or do you just find drawings and make them look so cold
Anyways i love your thumbnails
I love how we consider genjutsu as a factor in Sasuke vs Pain. But in Itachi vs Pain, it’s always “lol nope superior dojutsu.”
Imo I feel like him saying his rinnegan can deter even this one more so implies that rinnegan can normally resist them but he didn’t think his rinnegan could ignore one THAT strong
Six back at it again with another fire video
Blind Sasuke is NOT on the same level as Sage Mode Naruto what lmfao
Sasuke gets overwhelmed, Pain honestly is underrated sometimes. Naruto would have failed if not for Kurama and that unpredictable power buff towards the end. And that's despite the fact that Naruto had knowledge and substantial prep time (other sage mode shadow clones).Pain managed to take down Sage Mode Naruto with prep + knowledge after clapping the entire leaf village (which included Kakashi and Shizune). Sasuke around that point in the story barely defeated Deidara and beat a non-bloodlusted Itachi. Sasuke would have a very difficult time striking all six paths due to their shared vision and Pain can absorb all of his ninjutsu. IIRC it's possible to pull someone out of a susano, so he could be pulled out of that assuming Sasuke has the incomplete susano at this point.Sasuke fails utterly. He doesn't have genjutsu strong enough to throw off the Pains (like Ma/Pa genjutsu), doesn't have invisible attacks (e.g frog taijutsu), and tbh I doubt he has the firepower or stamina to compete with Pain.
Sasuke doesnt have strong enough genjustu? I feel like he could pull something out. Only two paths can negate ninjutsu. Sasuke would definitely use the susanoo’s defense to his advantage and exploit that with amaterasu. I have 5ks winning 4/10 times.
Which version are you talking about here?
Fks is losing to pain hard and everything before that.
EMS is different though
@@elhood4060 FKS Sasuke could win if he had all the advantages Naruto had. (Pain exhausted from nuking village, Slug Intel, 5 summons who summoned themselves, Hinata, Minato and Kurama.
@@celestialsoldier622 😂😂 maybe, even if he loses I think he does better with the same scenario Naruto was in but full power pain is washing FKS.
@@celestialsoldier622lmao nope, Naruto had 9 tails
Thanks for touching this battle Six
I could be wrong but abt the statement naruto made abt sage mode and i don’t remember word for word but i think what he meant by faster was in reaction speed because sage mode has some sensory pre cog typa thing
ye it's a misconception that he faster physically
Great video.
Hebi Sasuke: No
Taka Sasuke: No
FKS Sasuke: No but it's closer than people believe.
EMS Sasuke: Sasuke low diffs
War Arc: Sasuke no diffs
This is perfect
imma argue that Naruto was saying sage mode has better reaction speed than kcm1 sense he brought up danger sensing which is only shown with sage mode/kcm.
My opinion before watching
Hebi Sasuke loses but I believe he has Kirin as a win condition
Taka Sasuke (Meaning post danzo fight if he had full vision) beats Pain
EMS and Rinnegan beat pain
someone with a brain
I really enjoyed this video man, can't wait for more in the future 🔥
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Sasuke isn't beating pain one on one until EMS
Nagato is one of if not THE most underrated characters in the show. Sasuke can’t definitively defeat pain until he gets his SO6P chakra power up even EMS Sasuke would would likely lose & only win with VERY high difficulty
EMS Sasuke while fighting Ten Tails and Obito probably beats Nagato.
@@jacobjensen7704 Well 1. Sasuke wasn’t alone lol 2. He wasn’t winning that fight & especially not by himself, His fight with obito and ten tells certainly isn’t an anti feat but it doesn’t prove he dominates pain 3. Obito is an overrated bum, just threw that last one in for fun 😉
But this is pain, not nagato himself, pain is obviously weaker than Nagato due to them being split into 6 people. And EMS most definitely would win mid-high diff
@@nasywanmuhammadyusuf7d920 While I do understand & agree he is far more deadly as a singular body it dosen’t lessen the potency of his abilities
Nagato/ Pain is by far 1 of the most underrated characters. I can’t begin to describe how cracked nagato having the rinnegan is in shippuden truly is. TILL THIS VERY DAY the rinnegan poses a threat to the main cast. I can go full breakdown for you but just a heads up your talking to a guy who believes obito without intel on nagato/pain would also lose to him and I believe nagato is at the TOP of the verse until we see madara again in the war arc.
After Madara Hashirama & Minato die(original deaths)
Top In the verse goes
1. Nagato
2. Itachi ( I think he would be #1 if not sick )
3. Might guy
4. Obito ( I think he’s highly overrated )
A healthy Nagato beats the Sasuke who faces Naruto at the end of the original Naruto manga, the difference between the two is that Nagato is a sensory-type ninja and being from the Uzumaki Clan and with Senju lineage, he has much more chakra than Sasuke, also Sasuke uses the chakra of the 9 bijuus, this is like Nagato using the chakra of the 9 bijuus in the Gedo Mazo
8:27 mn kishimoto's art is soo clean im kinda speechless
Aye wake up Six just posted a banger!! P.S I hear that banger OST in the intro 🥱
Naruto said his Sage Mode was faster in general, since he can switch from KCM to Sage Mode he chose Sage Mode because it had faster reactions.
MS sasuke scales somewhere around Kcm Naruto because Naruto admitted he needed to master kuramas chakra to defeat sasuke. I think sasuke high diffs pain if he fights without any plot armor. However if he fights pain in Naruto’s position then it should be extremely low diff due to how intelligent sasuke is. Prep knowledge literally makes the fight too easy for sasuke. Not to mention a nerfed deva path + animal summons.
Even tho naruto flat out says “need kuramas chakra” People still want to twist the narrative and pretend he was talking about hatred. Straight copium lol. If Naruto was talking about hatred he would have said hatred. The fact that he DIRECTLY says chakra throws all that copium out of the window. This is LITERALLY kishimoto telling us he needs Kcm to face sasuke. Naruto fans can be so delusional it’s crazy.
A healthy Nagato beats the Sasuke who faces Naruto at the end of the original Naruto manga, the difference between the two is that Nagato is a sensory-type ninja and being from the Uzumaki Clan and with Senju lineage, he has much more chakra than Sasuke, also Sasuke uses the chakra of the 9 bijuus, this is like Nagato using the chakra of the 9 bijuus in the Gedo Mazo
@@iricotengu3319 no one is talking about nagato the video was pain vs KS sasuke.
@@justthefacts6902 Ok I didnt watch the video jajaja
@@iricotengu3319 that’s crazy… did you even read my comment lol?
Big fan of your channel, hyped for the discussion
One other thing is home advantage and knowledge on the opponent , everyone had intel on what sasuke had maybe apart from kirin and susano at that point
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6:01 Yeah, it seems like if less than 6 Paths of Pain are hit with a Genjutsu, then Nagato should be able to break the Paths out. Because he should be experiencing both being in a Genjutsu and not being in a Genjutsu at the same time, it's easy to tell which is real
1:45 just saying, Sasuke went the entire battle trying to keep deidara alive to question about itachi. Sasuke wasn't quite going all out. Least not in the way most people think of
six literally changes narratives to fit his new argument , he literally made a sasuke vs deidara analysis of like a month ago pretty sure he mentioned sasuke was stalling but now he doesn't mention it, hebi sasuke keeps catching strays
A healthy Nagato beats the Sasuke who faces Naruto at the end of the original Naruto manga, the difference between the two is that Nagato is a sensory-type ninja and being from the Uzumaki Clan and with Senju lineage, he has much more chakra than Sasuke, also Sasuke uses the chakra of the 9 bijuus, this is like Nagato using the chakra of the 9 bijuus in the Gedo Mazo
@iricotengu3319 no, nagato doesn't hold a candle to aasuke at the end. Sasuke and naruto are above any character that came b4 them at the end of the series
@@dragondrakage2402 You didn't explain why if you are right why you dont explain? I already explained why nagato beats sasuke
@iricotengu3319 nagato and Sasuke are above 8 gate guy at the end. 8 gate guy is the strongest character outside of ootsukis and naruto and sasuke
They went from needing the shinobi alliance fighting against juubito, to having madara piss himslef and speed up infinite tsukuyomi
Ngl pain can just take his soul😂
He can, but he'd have to catch him first. I mean he could take Kakashi's soul too but the path that was capable of doing that was not strong enough to get that job done. Sasuke is a lot more powerful than Kakashi
Cool vid bro.😺
Every single form of Sasuke pre six-paths, including EMS, gets handled quite handily by Pain; even EMS gets mid diffed by Pain, potentially even low diff in certain scenarios. Do not overestimate Sasuke’s capabilities and downplay Pains; do not utilize misinformation. Pain negates Sasuke’s entire arsenal. As for the Amaterasu, then Pain not only as the insane reaction speed to react to it, but he also is able to sense it coming; as we see with Nagato when he was warning Naruto; Tendo can destroy the Amaterasu with the Almighty Push, and the Preta Path can absorb it, and the Rinnegan animals could tank it if need be. As for the Amaterasu against the Animal Path’s summons, namely the dogs, then we know from the series that the dogs are ten in number. If the dogs split into ten separate forms and attempt to surround Sasuke from every direction, which they very likely will, it is impossible to argue that Sasuke can just use Amaterasu to get out of that situation and just move on to another scenario; that is not correct for two reasons. Firstly: As I have already mentioned, there are two Paths of Pain who categorically negate the Amaterasu; if the Preta Path is close in proximity to a dog that is being targeted by the Amaterasu, then he can simply absorb it. More reliably, however, is Tendo Pain. We know that the Almighty Push is capable of being used at a distance. So even if Tendo Pain is far from the dog that is being targeted by the Amaterasu, he should be able to simply use the Almighty Push to negate the black flames from a distance. Secondly: On top of the first point, how can you even potentially argue that Sasuke can simply look at the dogs charging at him from every single direction and use the Amaterasu without something happening? In short, you would be saying that Sasuke can just look in one direction and use the Amaterasu on a dog, look in another direction and use it on another dog, look in another direction and use it on another dog; all of that without being hit? How slow do you think the dogs are? Jiraiya, on top of Mr. Gamaken, was unable to flee from the dogs while traversing the rain village. Not to mention that the Paths of Pain themselves would be attacking Sasuke. So that argument has been debunked. As for the Chidori Stream, then the Paths of Pain attack their enemies in a coordinated manner. When they fight, they do not attack unnecessarily and without strategy. For example, in an anime-only but still canon flashback, Utakata in his Version 2 form attacked the Human Path with a jutsu, the Preta Path absorbed it afterwards. Even if, hypothetically speaking, the Six Paths of Pain are closely surrounding Sasuke, to argue that Sasuke would get the upper hand because of the Chidori Stream is invalid; not only because of the Preta Path but more-so because of Tendo Pain. The Chidori Stream is an AOE (Area of Effect) attack. Do you know what else is? The Almighty Push. So once Pain recognizes that Sasuke is using the Chidori Stream, an AOE attack, Tendo will use the Almighty Push to negate the entire thing. That argument is also debunked. As for Kirin, then even if, hypothetically speaking, something happens to the Preta Path; the time it takes for Sasuke to weave the signs, activate the Jutsu, prepare it, and then finally use it takes a bit of time; more then enough time for the Naraka Path to revive the Preta Path who will ultimately absorb Kirin which will substantially harm Sasuke’s chakra supply while giving Pain a lot of Chakra. Also, even arguing that the Preta Path will even be taken out in the first place is extremely far-fetched; I do not subscribe to that scenario given the fact that Pain shuts down Sasuke’s arsenal and completely overwhelms him. As for the Susano, then I will first discuss the Susano rib-cage. The Susano rib-cage has been shown getting damaged or destroyed a number of times. During the Five Kage Summit, the Fourth Raikage A tears right through Sasuke’s susano rib cage with just his physical strength. Also, during the fight between Madara and the Five Kage, Tsunade cracks Madara’s Susano with a single punch, and then destroys the front of it completely with some assistance from A and Ohnoki. So, if the Susano ribcage was unable to withstand the attacks of A and Tsunade, then there is absolutely no way that it can survive the mini-nuke of the Asura Path. When Pain invaded the Leaf Village, the Asura path uses the mini-nuke to destroy an entire sector of the Leaf Village; the Susano ribcage does not have nearly enough defense to withstand that kind of crazy firepower. So if the Asura Path uses that mini nuke in front of Sasuke, even if he is in the Susano ribcage, then Sasuke has two options; either he activates his complete susano or not. If he does not, then Sasuke dies and flat out loses the fight. If he activates his complete Susano, then he will likely survive; however even if he does activate his complete Susano; he will still likely, at the very least, get really shaken up by the enormous blast-wave. The combination attacks of Darui, Kankuro, Temari, and Gaara do not compare to the Asura Path’s mini nuke; an attack so powerful it destroyed an entire sector of the Leaf Village. So Sasuke, at the very least, will still get shaken up by that mini-nuke; but he will possibly survive. Even a barrage of missiles from the Asura Path will very likely be enough to get rid of the Susano rib cage. Now we move on to the complete Susano, As for the Arrow, then Tendo can simply use the Almighty Push to stop it. As for dealing with the Susano itself, then Tendo can pull Sasuke out of it using Universal Pull to stop the Susano. If Gaara was able to pull Madara out of his Susano using his sand, then Pain can definitely pull someone out of their susano using the Universal Pull. As for the Planetary Devastation, then you need an unbelievable amount of firepower to defeat Pain’s Planetary Devastation, firepower which Sasuke, on his own in that instance, does not possess. It took KCM Naruto, Killer Bee, and Itachi to use their most powerful attacks to stop the Planetary Devastation; and just for the record, Itachi’s Yasaka Beads were hard carried by the Rasen Shuriken and Tailed Beast Bomb. The Yasaka Beads are not very impressive in strength as we see from various battles. Version 2 Naruto, aka V2 Kurama, was barely scratching the surface of the Planetary Devastation, and he was spamming constant volleys of chakra bombs at the mini planet. So I do not subscribe to the claim that Sasuke Susano Arrows, even if he spammed them, would be enough to stop the Planetary Devastation. On top of the lack of necessary firepower on Sasuke’s part, Pain will not only constantly be repairing any potential damage that Sasuke inflicts but will also be completing the Jutsu as a whole. It also important to mention that Pain’s Planetary Devastation takes almost no time at all to reach near completion. It took about a minute for the entire thing to nearly form against V2 Kurama. So by the time Sasuke even realizes what is going on and attempts to make a plan to try to remedy the situation; it will be too late, even if Sasuke tries spamming Susano Arrows, I do not believe that would stop the Planetary Devastation, I completely disagree with that take along with many other ones. If he attempts to summon Aoda and use the reverse summoning, then as I mentioned before; the Almighty Push is capable of being used at a distance and Pain is able to multi-task while using Planetary Devastation, so he can potentially just get rid of Aoda while using the attack. Also, Pain will not need Planetary Devastation for this fight, I just wanted to rebut that particular issue. Now, that pretty much clears all the necessary issues, and I have not even mentioned how Pain might just low Diff even EMS Sasuke by using the Almighty Push. Not the catastrophic one of course, there is no need for that; but rather one of the lethal variants such as when Pain one shotted, while severely weakened and exhausted, Gamabunta, Gamahiro, and Mr. Gamaken; or the other leaf Shinobi earlier on in the invasion. So, no matter what Sasuke does; Pain just categorically negates his entire arsenal. Amaterasu does not work, his various Justus such as Kirin do not work, Susano does not work, etc. Pain will pull Sasuke into some crazy combination attack and either destroy him with the Asura Path, absorb his Chakra with the Preta Path, insta-kill him with the Human Path, impale Sasuke with the Chakra Rods; however it may be. Do not use misinformation and make up random power spikes, Pain objectively defeats every single form of Sasuke pre-six paths quite handily; even EMS.
Jesus nga
Woah make it shorter
@@voltonator7991 A healthy Nagato beats the Sasuke who faces Naruto at the end of the original Naruto manga, the difference between the two is that Nagato is a sensory-type ninja and being from the Uzumaki Clan and with Senju lineage, he has much more chakra than Sasuke, also Sasuke uses the chakra of the 9 bijuus, this is like Nagato using the chakra of the 9 bijuus in the Gedo Mazo
@Youtsjs11w123 Definitely not, Pain literally shuts down his entire arsenal. Did you even read my argument?
@@XKillerBuunope
U made no sense
very nice video man great job
When it was 5 kage sumit sauske you started the fight with only tendo left, and didn't explain how he beat the others it's a little confusing you didn't talk about the animal summons or the fact the naraka path can heal others.
I agree with you Mr Six but i do think tendo pain is wayyy stronger than we give him credit for especially against EMS Sasuke. There's a difference in the speed of tendo pain when trying to CAPTURE not KILL Naruto vs when Naruto goes into 8 tail mode or something. The speed is crazy, bro doesnt die and crazy endurance. At that point Tendo pain was moving lightning fast, because that kyuubi was crazy, Genjutsu doesn't affect the rinnegan too as The Rinnegan allows the user to perceive chakra and break out of genjutsu more easily, its heightened visual perception makes it harder for genjutsu to trap the Rinnegan user. The Rinnegan also grants the ability to absorb chakra. This can be used to disrupt the flow of chakra that powers genjutsu, effectively nullifying the illusion. If Tendo Pain really went all out, He'd mop Sasuke and to top the icicng, Tendo pain doesn't feel PAIN, bro only Buffers!
this is my own opinion tho
This a debate? Naruto needed frogs and Ninetails to fight that dude, tf Sasuke gonna do with em. Itachi went blow for blow with reanimated Pain and even he needed help from Bee and Naruto.
No, no, no, you got it the other way around. Naruto and Bee needed Itachi’s help to beat Nagato.
@@jacobjensen7704reanimated Nagato was still under the control of Kabuto. He wasn’t going after itachi at all. Let’s not act like itachi was taking on nagato 1v1 😂 stop the riding
@@Andretti2Tonehe is
Sasuke needed someone else's eyes...
Naruto's power doesn't come from the 9 tails. His true power comes from his body's ability to contain that much chakra and perfectly control it without any modifications.
Man, I wonder what that “Kakazu is stronger than Pain” mumbo jumbo I heard back then was?
Finally a Naruto video
People seriously sleep on Pain and fail to account for some pretty big facts.
First there is zero evidence of the Sharigan ever effecting a Rennigan user.
All we see work on it is the Genjustsu from Ma and Pa which is heavily amped with nature chakra and considered among the strongest in the verse.
Second Pain is almost a perfect counter to a Sharigan user as he is immune to the Sharigan genjutsu and can perfectly time his attacks and defences thanks to the linked vision to hit the opponent in their blind spots or overwhelm their vision with multiple attacks as we see with Bee vs Sasuke and Guy vs Obito.
Third Pain in the Leaf village is a fair bit weaker than in the Rain Village.
He is further from his main body limiting the skills he can use.
He was heavily weakened by taking on and destroying the entire leaf village.
Naruto had full Intel on him and multiple top tier summons that are arguably Kage level in their own rights multiple sage clones to recharge his Sage Chakra and he still lost. There is a good argument to be made that Naruto isn’t stronger than Jiriya yet at this.
As for the Sage mode Feat vs 3rd Raikage? A common misunderstanding.
Naruto was trying to say Sage mode allowed him to Predict and react much faster thanks to its amped sensory abilities not that it was a physically faster form than KCM1.
End of the day I think Pain is a pretty hard counter to Sharigan users in particular and Sasuke doesn’t really stand a chance until late into the War Arc.
Whats wild is landing A SINGLE HIT on blind Madara puts you above pain
0:22 man war arc sasuke should have been one of them too😂😂
As the lonely one, Kusakabe, got ready to fight the Glazed One, Sukuna, he thought, "am I the strongest because everyone else is dead, or is everyone else dead because I'm the strongest?" Just then Kusakabe realized that throughout heaven and Earth, he alone is the strongest sorcerer available.
get this man to 100k
7:03 I thought while Sasuke was with the akatsuki that was Hebi Sasuke then when he leaves they became Taka
I don't think tendo pain is stronger alone, he just overexerted his power after destroying the leaf so he had to hang back to recuperate
13:46, Tendo will be the last one alive, funny given how it’s a corpse.
BRO, YOU GOTTA COVER THAT NEW BORUTO CHAPTER!
All 3 Sasuke’s get violated.
u think ems sasuke who has feats against 10 tails obito is weaker than pain whose weaker than 8 tails chakra cloak naruto? LOLOLOL
@@LinkTheKink Yes. Sasuke wasn’t doing shit against anyone in that war. If he didn’t have Naruto, or any of the kage to fall back on, he would’ve died in seconds. Pain crushes Sasuke.
he did very well against 10 tails obito who is 10x stronger than pain. pain is weaker than kcm1 naruto whose weaker than ems sasuke@@sagestein6252
@@sagestein6252regardless of sasuke not scaling to juubito by himself(no shit?) he kept pace with kcm 2 naruto in that fight meaning hes fast enough to speed blitz pain and his susanoo is more than powerful enough to destroy the paths of pain, and amaterasu can destroy them too. thats if he doesnt just use genjutsu which weve seen against jiraiya that the pains are suceptible to and sasuke can cast an omnidirectional genjutsu on all 9 bijuu, the pains are light work
@@AidenB1010sasuke was fast enough to speed blitz pain back in FKS, he was able to match V1 raikages speed and even react to V2 on numerous occasions, Pain hasn’t shown a single speed feat or has speed scaling to put him here 😂
Yez please! Thanks for another naruto vid six
Swagkage vs. Upload button?
A Genjustu even if successful wouldn’t do anything. The 6 Paths of pain are just corpses, essentially a zombie with the chakra rods inside. If the genjutsu is used on any one of them Nagato would notice immediately because of the chakra disruption or the foreign chakra inside the body. As for Nagato I’m not sure if he’s susceptible to genjustu. If he is Izinami is still an option. However Itachi felt it necessary for Kabuto but not Nagato.
1:52 Noodles is shaking
Bro, make a kakuzu vs pain.
That's all over the Twitter.
Pain bodies kakuzu 💀
Bruh KAKAZU COULDN'T BEAT A FODDER KAKASHI IN A 2V1
@@IIIISaikakuzu was cooking kakashi tho
Until Late Stage EMS/Rinnegan
Sasuke has No chance
With no reason to push/Capture Sasuke
- Naraka Stays in Back for Endless heals
-Tendo stays back as Last resort
-Preta Path protects Naraka and Tendo
- Animal Path pushes with Summonings that can Attack from Multiple Ranges and Also use Summonings like Invisible Gecko to recover bodies
-Human Path Pushes alongside the Summonings
-Asura Path pushes alongside the Long Range summonings attacking from the Flank
-Even if Sasuke beats all of these Obstacles Sasuke then has to foght a Full power tendo
behold , kirin
I feel like it is also important to acknowledge that when Naruto fought pain, pain would have already been down a lot of chakra. Also, KCM2 Naruto would have been much more fatigued than ems Sasuke at the point of them fighting Jubito, so the comparisons between the two is difficult to make.
I wish that Naruto got Nagato's Rinnegan
As our Lord and Savior hebi Sasuke wins🙇🏾. Thank you loko for showing us the true and only way of hebi Sasuke supremacy.
LoGOAT
I wanted to ask how do you use anime music, for example death note soundtrack here on the background? It doesn’t get copyrighted if you talk over it? What’s the details behind its usage?
@13:09 what? Naruto literally used Tendo's rod to stab himself to find Nagatos location and those same rods can penetrate sage Jiraya (pause). So Pain definitely can hurt em in sage mode
Naruto could have been nerfing his own durability, like Vegeta on planet Namek
@@takatotakasui8307 That's kinda baseless especially when Pain stabbed Jiraya too when he was using the same sage mode.
Your almost at 100k subs my guy🎉
Real question is can Itachi Tsukuyomi himself if he accidentally looks in a mirror?
What about Sasuke & Naruto vs. Pain? If Sasuke had the same level of power but returned to the village.
I'd like to see a video of each Akatsuki members individually fights the entire JJK verse. Is there any Akatsuki member that can individually solo the entire JJK verse?
More like is there an Akatsuki member that couldn't
@@funderburke43yeah? What are kakazu, Hidan, Deidera, konan, sasori, and probably more going to do against Gojo
@@brandito5480 congratulations, you just summarized my entire point. We're already back to speed blitz gg vs infinity gg. Not an akatsuki vs jjk analysis.
To respond to your message, Deidara and Sasori start with C4/Sasori super poisons in regards to how you scale infinities porosity.
Out of Character Konan could handle gojo (lets make a 6B paper bomb chibaku tensei and suffocate him, so similar to how Kisame would handle Gojo).
Kakazu, is this feats based or clashed with Hashirama statement meme scaling.
That leaves Hidan, sheeeit. Who could have seen this coming
Kaka
Can’t you scale JJK to planetary though?
@@jacobjensen7704 scaling is all subjective bs once we get into powers interacting with reality in a way that wouldnt be 1:1 with how we math/scientifically model the universe.
That said, if you're consistent with how you do that scaling, naruto would be too
Wish swag was here to debate it yall r too funny together
Finally Naruto content
15:41 Tbh there's no reason Sasuke would stab Madara's tricep
Madara would let himself get stabbed to lock up Sasuke's sword. You can kinda see this is what's happening because Sasuke is overextended after Madara takes the stab. He can't control the range because his sword got stuck
On the other hand, if Sasuke actually landed a hit, he would aim for something more important. An organ or an artery, maybe even a joint. So it doesn't seem like Sasuke actually hit his target
6 already explained but Madara was literally trying to dodge Sasuke prior to it. Madara shifting his body so that his triceps gets hit just means he couldn't dodge Sasuke's attack which is what 6 was the point was
Which is pretty impressive considering a "weightless" 4th Raikage could barely touch a weaker version of Madara
@@azureflow9972 I'm just saying that's not the only explanation. It's hard to prove that Madara was not able to evade anymore. Even the statement from Madara that Sasuke "has good moves" is kinda ambiguous, he doesn't say anything about Sasuke being dangerous
@@takatotakasui8307 it's probably talking about his swordsman skills with how he uses his sword because he is not stronger than KCM 2 Naruto let alone if he fuses Safe mode with it
@@darkgenics I agree
Powerscaling-Language like 'Town Level' and such Terrms is rarely used on this
Channel and Summarys are barely ever happening, making it overall hard to follow
The character who use bombs is underrated if you did not have special eyes or lightning techniques bombs beat most things. It was very unorthodox fighting style really interesting Naruto fight in general.
*HOW STRONG IS KUSHINA VIDEO*
kyuubi level strongest female in the series before kaguya
this video is excellent but i think madara let sasuke hit him so he could talk and give him a chance to retreat thats why he let him hit him on a non vital spot. Ms sasuke takes down four pains end of Ms takes down 5 except tendo because tendo needs to go to nagatos location to perform chibaku tensei and with karin in his presence pain cannot actually damage sasukes susano. early ems beats nagato. Only 2pains can couter amaterasu and sasuke also had a team just like 6pains so...
I like the background sound 😂
I wanna know what it is
Kakuzu definitely isn’t one of the weakest members of the akatsuki. That would be Zetsu or Hidan
I think all 3 versions here get cooked except MAYBE ems sasuke but then theres rinnesharingan sasuke and thats a whole nother beast
Sasukes rennegan is classified as having multi demensional perseption
6:31 Couldn’t Sasuke use izanagi to negate it? He’d lose an eye and definitely still lose the fight, but it should work.
Who will win if pain fight Obito (without rinnegan and 10 tails)?
obito cant be touched and i don’t think pain has any way around it,
Obito
Obito is useless
pain
@@nassr8742he also can’t attack while in kamui
Struggling against Deidara? Did we read/watch the same fight? Sasuke countered everything Deidara had and was one step ahead the whole time
W vid!
Fire vid
My personal opinion…
Hebi Sasuke takes out 1 or 2 of the weaker paths, and if the Absorption-Path isn’t fast enough to absorb kirin, then sure… That’s as many as he takes out, but if not then he can probably take out 3-4 of the paths, going from weakest to strongest.
Taka Sasuke just gets mopped, there’s no contest. Amataerasu? Okay, Shinra Tensei.
5KS(Raikage Fight) - He loses. I don’t even think his chidori can pierce Pain who was boxing with 6-tails Naruto, tho he is faster than Pain in my opinion.
5KS(Danzo Fight) - I think stands a chance, especially if it’s in the Rain Village. Pain is NOT dodging a Susano Arrow, and Sasuke with enough hatred amps could probably box with Tendo, but one Chibaku Tensei or big Shinra Tensei, it’s over with.
EMS Sasuke(Kabuto Fight) - I think he edges out mid-high diff.
EMS Sasuke(Pre-Juubito Fight)… Again, edges out. Mid Diff
EMS Sasuke(Post Juubito Fight) - Pain stands no chance. This Sasuke’s fighting against Juubito along side Bijuu Sage Mode Naruto… who’s comparable to Base-Edo Hashirama, and even manages to land a hit on Blind-Sage Madara with his sword once.
FP EMS Sasuke vs Edo Nagato? I think Sasuke wins Mid diff. Probably low.
Madara let Sasuke stab him so that he could ask Sasuke to join him.
1:36 I’m sorry but for this argument here since deidara took out the kagekaze and Sasuke took him out that’s putting him at Kage level immediately 😅
You should do sasuke vs pain like right after sasuke died and got used to his new eye
I see what’s being said here and I think you’re being very generous to sasuke but it’s for the most part accurate . There’s obviously a lot to cover but kakazu is not one of the weaker akatsuki members even if it seems that way at face value he beats sasuke. I think Kishimoto makes it pretty clear that Naruto narratively is always stronger and faster than sasuke even when fatigued and sasuke has to play catch-up he’s also sharper to some degree. It’s because of the opponent matchups Naruto beats and gets paired with the stronger opponent since the start of the series and is always potentially drained . I do think sage mode is faster because of how the frogs describe it and how the ten tailed is basically immeasurable energy you won’t get tired but forever grow in power and stamina but it takes more training to use it longer and get into it faster but kcm was used and emphasized because of how much longer it can last for him at that time also the amount of chakra kurama has readily available. But good video w I enjoyed it
Danzo fight Sasuke could probably press pain but not to the point where kurama did(debatable . Any version above FKS Sasuke bullies
Question. Shouldn't a Rinnegan be able to absorb Chakra constructs like Susano ?
Only disagreement has nothing to do with the matchup. Madara let himself be stabbed. He has Sage Hashirama cells that he jerks off constantly. Madara pretty consistently fights just above his opponents, and taking hits he later shows he didn't have to. I don't know why people talk about No-eyed Madara like he didn't just hit a Phoenix Down, has Sage Hashirama cells, and can even use partial Susanoo in this form. Meanwhile, everyone else had been fighting him and Juubito for the passed half a day. You don't scale relative to someone who immediately one-handed bitch chokes and stabs you with your own sword afterwards. That doesn't make sense. Because it doesn't make sense for this Sasuke to be relative to that Madara, even if EMS Sasuke might be at full power.
I wonder if Madara would have taken Sasukes eyes during the war if he would have the EMS or just Sasukes MS. Probably EMS right?
Video idea: Taka Sasuke vs HIruzen.
is taka sasuke the 5 kage summit or u Mena akatski robe , Anyways I believe old head gets begged
@@IIIISai Taka Sasuke is the one right after Itachi's death after Sasuke awakens the Mangekyo Sharingan, and also the five kage summit version, (which have different power levels becuase o fhow many amps Sasuke gets at the five kage summit). I believe he's the weakest version of Sasuke we saw up to that point aside from part 1 Sasuke.