The thing with Mesa's is that they take forever to get a good tone out of. But once you have it you won't be able to wipe the smile off your face. Finally got my MK 1 single rectifier dialled in and my god she's a beauty. Only taken 3 months D:
I listened to both of them and they sounded nice, the new 2010 dual rectifier is definitely brighter than the older Dual Rectifier but not to the point of harshness/ "tin foil in a blender" as some people call it, good for cutting in a live situation. While the older Dual Rectifier had more bass to it and sounded warmer. Overall I like both and this is a great video as usual.
Awesome as usual thanks for this you guys! I reckon that new one sounds like a blended old Dual rec and a Marshall... Im staying with my Mark IV for now.
More mids... finally someone who knows what they're talking about!!! Scooping is for playing at home so that you can sound big without a bass player. Scooping out the frequencies that define a guitars sound in a live situation means that you will hardly be heard in the mix
"Scoopage is for fail" nail on the head with that one, Chappers. Too many people think it must be 'better' because it gives it a "wider range" but the truth is because they're widening the average frequency range it's actually removing the clarity of sound. Remember, MIDS is for CLARITY
I agree...I played through a Triple Rectifier and it's so versatile that you can get stuck on ugly tones. Even my POD 2.0 sounded warmer than that! BUT...tweaking and tweaking and I could nail my tone. It's a beast.
@InspiringWear I have EMGs and Ive found the Peaveys, Marshals and Mesa's, particularly the Mesas, have a mid-scoop, and can't be heard onstage. My Favourite amp of ALL time, as of now, is Laboga. They designed it to have a massive midrange, without the annoying nasallyness that comes from Marshall, and the brittleness that comes from Mesa. Behemoth uses them. They are a Polish brand. The bloke that started it used to mod marshalls. The presence is just MASSIVE. It shat all over a Mesa Roadking
I have the old 3 channel and it takes a lot of tweaking to get a great tone! Don't give up on these amps cause when you get it dialed in it had MONSTROUS TONES!
i actually get an awesome punk/rockabilly tone that is pretty heavy by adding a lot of mids(about 1 oclock) and backing off the trebble to about 12 o'clock and backing off the volume on the guitar just a hair. works AWESOME with single coil pickups. you only see what this amp i known for and not the awesome tones it is capable of
The old one sounds more muddy but also great. I think you need to choose your amp depending on then music you will do with it. Both sound little aggressive to me. Good review and great channel !
Ese sonido es muy balanceado es los que buscamos un equipo con todas las posibilidades. pregunto: un Fender o Marchal de bajo presupuestó con efectos podría acercarse al rectifier ya que es una inversión imposible o hay otra opción, cuál es tu opinión
I used a 90s Mesa Triple Rectifier for a studio session once, and I have to say I was really unimpressed. Wasn't as full sounding to me, and kind of harsh... But then again, now I play Orange.... hahaha. Thanks Chappers for another interesting video. I'd like to see you run a Marshall, Mesa, and Orange stack all at one time. 3 full stacks. At once. That would be my dream come true man. ;) please?
I have an S57 and make hundreds of videos that no one watches. They placed the mic at the extreme far edge of the speaker, which gets all bass and no good guitar tones. They are using it, because I hear clipping, and a camera mic wouldn't clip at these volumes. Just pointing it wrong.
@SEIJITV I guess my comment didn;t come out the way I intended? What i meant is that some of the more expensive amps can sound scooped without being scooped at all, and that makes a ton of difference, also, mic placement is fundamental in recording, you can crank up your MID's and place the mic to get a scooped sound, the key being that the amp is still putting out those freqeuncies but the mic is "selecting what it hears", which makes a world of difference, some people don't get that
Wow, that Mark II sounds really great, and I really am not a Mesa/Boogie guy. Don't get me wrong, I mean I love that Petrucci can get a great sound out of them but it's always too much work for me. I have always been an Ada MP-1, Peavey Rockmaster/6505 kind of guy, but this one actually sounds pretty good. Wish they could do what Hughes and Kettner did with the Grandmeister and make something like that, it would rule the world :D
@RobChappers fair enough, sir. fair enough! Side note--- as a fellow pizza lover, I'm sure you'd appreciate the information that I'm currently eating leftover pizza from a local eatery. contents include: Buffalo Wing Sauce, Mozzarella, Green Onion, Smoked Gouda and Spicy Marinated Buffalo Chicken with Cool Ranch Dressing.
@paparazzi3p I actually played them and I found that the Mesa's have a noticable Mid scoop naturally. They Sound brilliant when recorded, but when you lack Mid Range the band swollows you up whole. I see where your going on this. Mick Thompson said in an interveiw that he needed more mid-ranges in his early days, but didn't know it. Mind you, it's oftem unnoticed when by yourself when the mids are scooped. I havent played a Peavey 6505, and the Mesa's are freaken insane amps.
@shaneclemens He played Krank amps later in his career. The Warhead came first, and I believe was used through most of his Pantera days. When he switched to Krank, it was the Revolution model he began with, followed by the Krankenstein, which he designed.
To be quite honest, i personally prefer the "mark 1" rectifier because to me, the newer version sounds a little too compressed and sharp to my ears. im still looking to buy one though but i am thinking about going for the older model, simply because it sounds a little more mild to me. and i like my leads a little more fluid. is this just me or are more people noticing this?
@RoxxorBidoune Here, here. Raising mids in a band setting really helps you cut through the mix, but scooped mids are great when just jamming at home. Personally, I just cut mine slightly.
I have two dual rectifiers solo head, one from year 2005 and one couples years older, and I can say that the old one sound much better in modern settings, tigth distortion, more definition and more punchy sound, the 2005 version is more week modern disto..... mmy cuestion for for is: the new dual recto head putting pair to pair at 100 watts setting, which are the main differences in channells orange and red? thanks for the reply
they are the hardest amps to tweak up, their eq knobs dont effect the amp like they typically do with others. When one masters the tweaking of a mesa, it's hard to find a better amp
I think the old one sounds better. I don't know. Maybe cos I already have the old one and am used to it. I dont like it too bright. The ability to change watt on each channel and have spongy vs bold and rectifier vs solid state setting on each channel is awesome though. But yeah. Ill go for Mark V today if I had to choose.
@paparazzi3p I found that the Laboga I played had a more aggressive and in my oppinion, the most satisfying mids in an amp I have ever heard. Ussually things like Marshalls etc. etc. sound better with the mids scooped, but the Laboga sounded increadable with comparitively high mids. I played the Mesa side by side with the laboga. They both had their own Character. I saw Lamb of God live and you could barely hear their guitars. They obviously use Mark Vs, but still. Ah well thats my oppinion
@thork86 There are lots of great amp brands out there (with a few exceptions), and you need to make your own mind up about what suits your style the best. Personally I like my Marshall 2203 head
The mids give the sound the charasteristics, the punch. It's much easier to play with highly scooped sound vs. nicely cranked mids. You can pick and fret the notes fairly lazily and they won't be heard, where as the mids make you play well unless you wanna sound like shit.
@MrCwillies Lets say you have a standard band setup with guitar, bass and drums. You have bass for the low notes, and the cymbals are very dominating in the high notes. Why the hell should you cut the mids which are so charcaterizing for the guitar`s sound?
@brandonfishas Basically the Mesa's have a sound for Metal dudes, which means scooping the mids, its very noticable particularly on the Mesas. I have my own preferances, but a Mesa Road king sitting in a shop untouched while Labogas fly out the door tells you something... Some Bloke traded his in for a Laboga to that shop a year ago. I tried it out against a Laboga and the FIRST thing I noticed was the sheer PRESCENCE the Labogas have. Remember, Big Bands have sound engineers. We dont. Make do.
@brandonfishas But they have a natural mid scoop. It makes up a LOT of their character, but they do sound a bit thin in a gig. Behemoth was out here in Oz a while back, and Nergal was using Mesas at the time, but the other bloke with a Laboga just cut right through the mix. You could barely hear Nergal. He too has since switched to Laboga (Very recently though, its not on their Site yet, look up recent Behemoth Australian tour stuff on TH-cam, and you can pick up atleast one of them using them)
@ZanesSuccessor Hahaha! True! I've yet to hear a guitarist who's alternate picking sounds the same as their down picking... they both have their place, and both very subtly change the sound based on the movement of your palm muting the strings alone.
If you get a chance to demo any of the mesa stiletto amps (the ace especially) I think you'd get a lot of hits for it, considering the serious lack of content out there. I mean REALLY, there isn't a single proper review!
@marviosantos I always found that I pushed the mids on my amps, and it really pays off in the recorded tone. (That and I use a separate mic just for bass-low mid response)
Can you change the watts to 50 watts on the new one and not on the old one? How will I know which one is the new and old one when I buy on ebay? Thanks
@RobChappers unsless of course you are like me and cannot decide what style you prefer to play -_- i vary from classic rock/rock to dropped tuning metal.
@werewolf2003002 I thought I read somewhere though that he said he ran his mids kind of high on his amplifier but then scooped them out with an eq in the fx loop. Could be wrong though.
The thing with Mesa's is that they take forever to get a good tone out of. But once you have it you won't be able to wipe the smile off your face. Finally got my MK 1 single rectifier dialled in and my god she's a beauty. Only taken 3 months D:
They really don’t…
I listened to both of them and they sounded nice, the new 2010 dual rectifier is definitely brighter than the older Dual Rectifier but not to the point of harshness/ "tin foil in a blender" as some people call it, good for cutting in a live situation. While the older Dual Rectifier had more bass to it and sounded warmer. Overall I like both and this is a great video as usual.
these guys do the best demos so I trust their judgment to a degree. everyone's ears are different as well as the players. Reborn all the way!
Awesome as usual thanks for this you guys! I reckon that new one sounds like a blended old Dual rec and a Marshall... Im staying with my Mark IV for now.
I love the Road King II, killer Lonestar cleans, killer Recto punch all in one box!
they pulled the blanket off the rig in this demo with the mkii love it ...
Mesa should start looking back at those 2 ch dual rectos of the early 90s. The best sounding Rectifiers ever.
That vintage setting sounds HOT!! I like it, I like it!
Honestly feel like this video was designed to mainly get you to buy the new model, mine doses not sound that bass driven and has better tone.
"Scoopage is for fail",
I must use this today!! =)
that burst is AWESOME
Down pick master of puppets....... Said the metallica fanboy. Keep rockin rob.
More mids... finally someone who knows what they're talking about!!!
Scooping is for playing at home so that you can sound big without a bass player. Scooping out the frequencies that define a guitars sound in a live situation means that you will hardly be heard in the mix
"Scoopage is for fail"
nail on the head with that one, Chappers. Too many people think it must be 'better' because it gives it a "wider range" but the truth is because they're widening the average frequency range it's actually removing the clarity of sound.
Remember, MIDS is for CLARITY
Great amps, and so versatile. Great classic rock and alt rock amps.
LOVE that Les Paul almost as much as I love that Dual Rec.
I agree...I played through a Triple Rectifier and it's so versatile that you can get stuck on ugly tones. Even my POD 2.0 sounded warmer than that! BUT...tweaking and tweaking and I could nail my tone. It's a beast.
@InspiringWear I have EMGs and Ive found the Peaveys, Marshals and Mesa's, particularly the Mesas, have a mid-scoop, and can't be heard onstage. My Favourite amp of ALL time, as of now, is Laboga. They designed it to have a massive midrange, without the annoying nasallyness that comes from Marshall, and the brittleness that comes from Mesa. Behemoth uses them. They are a Polish brand. The bloke that started it used to mod marshalls. The presence is just MASSIVE. It shat all over a Mesa Roadking
I have the old 3 channel and it takes a lot of tweaking to get a great tone! Don't give up on these amps cause when you get it dialed in it had MONSTROUS TONES!
That's my dream setup there! Desert Burst LP w/ Dual Rectumfrier!!
Damn!! Best tones of an Adertons videos ever :)) Even makes Rob play better than usual
This amp is sooo nice. It'd be so PERFECT for me if it had reverb like it does on a Mark V or a Roadster. Tones on this thing is so nice.
i have played them all !
my last 2 amps were a mark v and a diezel vh4
and the new dual rec smokes them all
it is unbelievable ,
WOW. I'm buying this the SECOND I have the money. They need a damn love button.
i actually get an awesome punk/rockabilly tone that is pretty heavy by adding a lot of mids(about 1 oclock) and backing off the trebble to about 12 o'clock and backing off the volume on the guitar just a hair. works AWESOME with single coil pickups. you only see what this amp i known for and not the awesome tones it is capable of
The old one sounds more muddy but also great.
I think you need to choose your amp depending on then music you will do with it. Both sound little aggressive to me.
Good review and great channel !
PETA will be complaining about all the beef in this amp.
Mesa Dual Recto: the reigning champ of amps. And it's American made.
Honest and funny...oh, I love you guys and the mesa sound? yup, still the best IMO. Love all my mesa gear
Ese sonido es muy balanceado es los que buscamos un equipo con todas las posibilidades. pregunto: un Fender o Marchal de bajo presupuestó con efectos podría acercarse al rectifier ya que es una inversión imposible o hay otra opción, cuál es tu opinión
I dont scoop my mids,well maybe take some,but not much,but I find it more pleasing to my ears when its not scooped a lot
You start to understand why these amps and cabs are so expensive. They sounds bloody epic!!!
nice to see some metallica being played here.
I used a 90s Mesa Triple Rectifier for a studio session once, and I have to say I was really unimpressed. Wasn't as full sounding to me, and kind of harsh... But then again, now I play Orange.... hahaha. Thanks Chappers for another interesting video. I'd like to see you run a Marshall, Mesa, and Orange stack all at one time. 3 full stacks. At once. That would be my dream come true man. ;) please?
I love that Chappers & I have the same opinion on Scoopage.
Newer version seems better... Question: No reverb?
Sounds fantastic!
Is the audio from the camera used in this ? ... I mean for the amp's sound ? ... Doesnt sound like that 57 is even in the mix ? Am I wrong ?
I have an S57 and make hundreds of videos that no one watches. They placed the mic at the extreme far edge of the speaker, which gets all bass and no good guitar tones. They are using it, because I hear clipping, and a camera mic wouldn't clip at these volumes. Just pointing it wrong.
Awesome sound!
@SEIJITV I guess my comment didn;t come out the way I intended? What i meant is that some of the more expensive amps can sound scooped without being scooped at all, and that makes a ton of difference, also, mic placement is fundamental in recording, you can crank up your MID's and place the mic to get a scooped sound, the key being that the amp is still putting out those freqeuncies but the mic is "selecting what it hears", which makes a world of difference, some people don't get that
Wow, that Mark II sounds really great, and I really am not a Mesa/Boogie guy. Don't get me wrong, I mean I love that Petrucci can get a great sound out of them but it's always too much work for me. I have always been an Ada MP-1, Peavey Rockmaster/6505 kind of guy, but this one actually sounds pretty good. Wish they could do what Hughes and Kettner did with the Grandmeister and make something like that, it would rule the world :D
Well. For my personal taste I love the Mesa rectifiers are my favorite amp. That and a bogner uberschall.
yeah master of puppets is my fav. track for testing metal amps and guitars too ,one of the best riffs and slow part is sweet too:D
Yes. Scoopage is for fails! Didn't know Mesa had midrange. That sounded pretty goood.
this dude sherds. badass amps.
great playing mr. chappers ;)
Mesa Boogie: The king of all amps.
@RobChappers fair enough, sir. fair enough!
Side note--- as a fellow pizza lover, I'm sure you'd appreciate the information that I'm currently eating leftover pizza from a local eatery. contents include: Buffalo Wing Sauce, Mozzarella, Green Onion, Smoked Gouda and Spicy Marinated Buffalo Chicken with Cool Ranch Dressing.
@paparazzi3p I actually played them and I found that the Mesa's have a noticable Mid scoop naturally. They Sound brilliant when recorded, but when you lack Mid Range the band swollows you up whole. I see where your going on this. Mick Thompson said in an interveiw that he needed more mid-ranges in his early days, but didn't know it. Mind you, it's oftem unnoticed when by yourself when the mids are scooped. I havent played a Peavey 6505, and the Mesa's are freaken insane amps.
@shaneclemens He played Krank amps later in his career. The Warhead came first, and I believe was used through most of his Pantera days. When he switched to Krank, it was the Revolution model he began with, followed by the Krankenstein, which he designed.
What's the intro to all these Anderton's videos? Sounds great.
MASTER-MASTER!!!!
The only thing I like about the mkii is the series loop. I'll keep my old super unbelievably reliable dual rec.
@burfcontrol and wich one do you like better?
@brandonfishas Which is their top of the line Dual Recto. Not as many knobs and channels, but the overall tone out of it is absolutely brilliant.
To be quite honest, i personally prefer the "mark 1" rectifier because to me, the newer version sounds a little too compressed and sharp to my ears. im still looking to buy one though but i am thinking about going for the older model, simply because it sounds a little more mild to me. and i like my leads a little more fluid. is this just me or are more people noticing this?
@RoxxorBidoune Here, here. Raising mids in a band setting really helps you cut through the mix, but scooped mids are great when just jamming at home. Personally, I just cut mine slightly.
the new one sounds great :)
I thought the original dual rectifier was a 2 channel as was the original triple...? or is there a new dual rec ? (like as of 2010) ?
I have two dual rectifiers solo head, one from year 2005 and one couples years older, and I can say that the old one sound much better in modern settings, tigth distortion, more definition and more punchy sound, the 2005 version is more week modern disto..... mmy cuestion for for is: the new dual recto head putting pair to pair at 100 watts setting, which are the main differences in channells orange and red? thanks for the reply
they are the hardest amps to tweak up, their eq knobs dont effect the amp like they typically do with others. When one masters the tweaking of a mesa, it's hard to find a better amp
I like the louder one best - just like I'm supposed to ... X)
I love it!!!!
I think the old one sounds better. I don't know. Maybe cos I already have the old one and am used to it. I dont like it too bright. The ability to change watt on each channel and have spongy vs bold and rectifier vs solid state setting on each channel is awesome though. But yeah. Ill go for Mark V today if I had to choose.
Channel 2 Vintage Mode is sweet.
Do you use a tube screamer in this demo, or is the sound just coming straight from the amp?
there will never be another rob chappers
I Love that mk2.
@paparazzi3p I found that the Laboga I played had a more aggressive and in my oppinion, the most satisfying mids in an amp I have ever heard. Ussually things like Marshalls etc. etc. sound better with the mids scooped, but the Laboga sounded increadable with comparitively high mids. I played the Mesa side by side with the laboga. They both had their own Character. I saw Lamb of God live and you could barely hear their guitars. They obviously use Mark Vs, but still. Ah well thats my oppinion
Hey chappers, how much gain do one of these have? I was looking to purchase one.
is it bad when even the ad starts to buffer?
@thork86 There are lots of great amp brands out there (with a few exceptions), and you need to make your own mind up about what suits your style the best. Personally I like my Marshall 2203 head
Hell yeaaaaah !!
i want to work there. they look like they have om much fun!
I never really knew what scooping meant, is it when you turn the mids up or mids down?
5150/6505 is nice as well, but I get more of the definition in tone I want with the XXX.
what about the original black grill models? i heard one and it sounded great
The mids give the sound the charasteristics, the punch. It's much easier to play with highly scooped sound vs. nicely cranked mids. You can pick and fret the notes fairly lazily and they won't be heard, where as the mids make you play well unless you wanna sound like shit.
@marviosantos Dimebag's signature sound was using scooped mids with good equipment. [Krank Amps]
@MrCwillies Lets say you have a standard band setup with guitar, bass and drums. You have bass for the low notes, and the cymbals are very dominating in the high notes. Why the hell should you cut the mids which are so charcaterizing for the guitar`s sound?
Ok...so the dual mk1 are bad or what ???
I'm not sure if it's the mic placement but these both sound quite shrill.
@brandonfishas Basically the Mesa's have a sound for Metal dudes, which means scooping the mids, its very noticable particularly on the Mesas. I have my own preferances, but a Mesa Road king sitting in a shop untouched while Labogas fly out the door tells you something... Some Bloke traded his in for a Laboga to that shop a year ago. I tried it out against a Laboga and the FIRST thing I noticed was the sheer PRESCENCE the Labogas have. Remember, Big Bands have sound engineers. We dont. Make do.
at the end at like 5:20 and on what are the settings? also which amp is it?
@brandonfishas But they have a natural mid scoop. It makes up a LOT of their character, but they do sound a bit thin in a gig. Behemoth was out here in Oz a while back, and Nergal was using Mesas at the time, but the other bloke with a Laboga just cut right through the mix. You could barely hear Nergal. He too has since switched to Laboga (Very recently though, its not on their Site yet, look up recent Behemoth Australian tour stuff on TH-cam, and you can pick up atleast one of them using them)
@ZanesSuccessor Hahaha! True! I've yet to hear a guitarist who's alternate picking sounds the same as their down picking... they both have their place, and both very subtly change the sound based on the movement of your palm muting the strings alone.
I SCOOP EVERYTHING
You turned the bass down on the old one, so it sounds thinner. Not fair - use same settings!
If you get a chance to demo any of the mesa stiletto amps (the ace especially) I think you'd get a lot of hits for it, considering the serious lack of content out there. I mean REALLY, there isn't a single proper review!
what microphone did you use?
@Badfish228 no he said the ONLY way to pick is downpicking.
I dig the new one.
@marviosantos I always found that I pushed the mids on my amps, and it really pays off in the recorded tone. (That and I use a separate mic just for bass-low mid response)
I think your marshall amps sounds much better! ;-), but i still like the mesa amps....
you should do some drop tuned riffs
3:10 epic win
Can you change the watts to 50 watts on the new one and not on the old one? How will I know which one is the new and old one when I buy on ebay? Thanks
@RobChappers unsless of course you are like me and cannot decide what style you prefer to play -_- i vary from classic rock/rock to dropped tuning metal.
@werewolf2003002 I thought I read somewhere though that he said he ran his mids kind of high on his amplifier but then scooped them out with an eq in the fx loop. Could be wrong though.
no A/B switch between the amps?
wow, chappers has got a lp with nice looking sunburst? ho is that color called? i hate the usual burst shape on lps.