The Biggest Problem with the Iron Hands
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The real biggest problem with the iron hands is that their models are never as robotic as the illustrations, thanks to gw's refusal to make leg and torso upgrade bits
3d printers stay winning.
@@chimeraelite I wish mine still worked :(
@@knuckl6972”the machine is immortal”
Try prayer
If that fails to work consult a tech adept
Yeah that’s true I always forget that nice catch
The firstborn kit was decent. Shame none of those upgrade sprues are aroud!
I love how Manus is when he gifts Lorgar his mace
"I owe you, so I made this, take it and the debt is paid. Now get out of my forge because I don't like you and you know it"
To be fair it is lorgar
@ninFree Lorgar is top tier though.
Even though he only got his balls when he told his adoptive father to gtfo at Istvaan v. He became such a mad lad that once he even had Angron sweating.
edit: inb4, source - "Legacies of Betrayal: The Butcher's Nails"
@oantunes998
... and then spent 10,000 years quaking in his little booties, hiding in his tower, hoping that his Emo brother didn't show up tap-tap-tapping, at his chamber door.
@@marceloantunes998can you tell me more about Lorgar?
@@Robert-wf7xu Lorgar. The only primarch to make the worlds he conquered into bastions that would never fall to chaos and would be loyal to bigE for 40k years. His pride and joy was shattered over this.
He is used and led astray by his adopted father, who takes advantage of the trauma inflicted on him. When the shit hits the fan he becomes his own man and tells him to gtfo of his way.
Among the primarchs he's 2nd only to Magnus in psykic might, gaslighted by Kor Phaeron into eschewing their use. When he finally begins to harness his powers he's able to 1v1 a warhound titan and save his brother Angron.
He has the right idea about the warp but is sabotaged by big E. Even turned traitor his word is keeping the flame of mankind burning.
There's as much character in Lorgar as in all other primarchs combined
Not only does he get capped early, but his tropes are stepped on by other, surviving primarchs, so it's just the flesh is weak bit alone.
And the other Primarchs talk about how amazing Ferus was, but the only thing we really see of him is his bromance with Ferus and getting too aggressive and running off to his death on Istvan.
You mean Vulcan right?
@jo_ken Right. Dude has no feats in universe. He wasn't even supposed to be the angry one but the stoic guy trying to be tough on the outside not berserko rage mode. How could Horus say he'd have been a great Warmaster when he basically oofed himself trying to prove a point
He conquered slightly less than Horus. He's loaded with canonical feats that haven't been written in any of the books.
@jo_ken to be fair to him he did fight the emperor for 3 days straight leveling mountains in the process.
Iron hands are the most neglected first founding chapter. I'll admit that even though I want my Ravens to get more spotlight. I wouldn't mind seeing the sons of Farris get their time to shine.
Sucks for both of us then I really like both of them
to be fair it's not like what's written for the Ravens is good.
Case in point: the only reason Corax didn't get mauled by Angron in Istvaan 5 is that some random guard commander saw him getting wrecked in a dream and practically forced the marines housekeeping Deliverance to go save dad.
Once upon a time, the Iron Hands had their own supplement book back when supplement books weren’t a thing. The Clan Raukaan book for 6e/7e (probably misspelled it). It’s where Chapter Master Smashmouth’s relics come from.
I had a dream a few nights ago that the Iron Hands suddenly became GW’s focused chapter (temporarily) because of something happening in the narrative of 40k involving Vashtorr and the Dark Mechanicum. This began with them getting a new named character, which was a named Dreadnought like Carab Cullen or Bjorn the Fell Handed. It was a Deredeo Dreadnought based loosely on the Heresy model, but it had various Iron Hands bits and more ornate armor. I can even tell you its color scheme, wargear, and how its packaging looked.
You've received a vision from the Emperor, you must tell GW at once!
Write that down and get it to someone with a printer ASAP
The Emperor has chosen you brethren
You've been gifted a vision, let us pray it comes to pass.
You should recreate it
I think it's funny the most recent Iron Hands-ish story I've read was by complete accident while reading Peter Fehervari's Dark Coil series.
In it the Tau were rummaging through an abandoned Inquisition research facility and encounter man-made horrors along with a squad of dead Deathwatch marines sent to deal with them, except for one who was an Iron Hand that despite being basically mummified was still alive thanks to all his augments and willing to help the Tau kill the horrors out of sheer pragmatism in getting the job done.
Even though he was literally in it for like only 5 paragraphs seeing them do shit like that tells me you can write a compelling story with them, all that matters is actually writing them in the first place instead of leaving them to collect dust in the attic basically.
I NEED the name of this story
@@blitzburn2871I wanna say The Greater Evil by Peter Fehervari
1:11 “Why is there no artwork of this chapter!” Looks at quarter divided color scheme and points.
The easiest way to make a faction unpopular: Make them unpaintable
@@barlotardy Cough *White Scars* Cough
Their biggest problem is that despite their big, good, strong hands, they couldn't hold on to their friends as the Nothing pulled them right out of their hands.
legion of the rock gobblers
(Early) They lost their primarch, equarry (Gabriel Santor), Elites (Morlocks and most of Avernii), clan council and a lot of the stuff written after is mostly them losing battles or suiciding to win. Autek Mor and Shadrak Meduson breathed life into the Legion with them unceremoniously ending Meduson in the books and not writing further about Autek.
They’re written as either one dimensional irrational idiots or robot wannabes. There’s a stretch of ways they could be written like calculating + vengeful like Autek or they could lean into the IH zombie/resurrection tech that they extensively have (read Riven, great short story) but instead of marines they’re written like idiots most of the time. I get there’s something to be said of losing their primarch, questioning all they know and so forth but it can still be managed properly as at the end of the day marines are still highly trained, long lived (usually) killing machines.
Also having cybernetic upgrades and more product releases (unique units or new HQ) is always a bonus.
preach
I was pretty neutral on the Iron Hands until I got to Shattered Legions. Those stories made the Iron Hands one of my favorite chapters.
While the IH didn't get much love during the Heresy era, I still reccomend the Sisypheum stories to everyone remotely interested in the Iron Xth. Its an endearing adventure that builds up to a sad conclusion thats pivotal to the modern settings' status quo.
Bruh they keep fucking over the iron hands like shadrack Meduson legit an iron hands captain got all the survivors of Istvan and led a massive guerrilla campaign even hitting primarchs
And then
To kill him
Black library has him strung up, abandoned by all his allies, and taunted by a dude we hadn’t seem much of up to this point.
And he dies like a bitch.
Black library did him so fucking dirty.
Spoilers but
The same thing happens to another Iron Hands character named Rauth, a Scout Marine. Dude is a deuteragonist alogn with Kardan Stronos. He gets his head blown off by the oldest Iron Hand, forget his name, while getting btiched. Dude was in 2 books just to die for no reason.
I think a chronicling of one of Ferus Manus' pre heresy campaigns would be an interesting book/series and flesh out the primarch.
They bassicaly did it in his primarch novel, but it still was presented from emperors children view. I dont know why the fuck they are refusing to write from his prespective.
The short story feat of iron is pretty good and does a better job investigating ferrus' inner thoughts than his primarch novel
Imagine a Iron Hand vs Necron book.
Really loved the medusa Keys and the cyborg zombies army of IH, tragic and brutal also they have cool succesor chapters
Same
Money talks, and because they don’t generate enough money, GW does not give them attention
Man I always thought the iron hands would make good money. I mean if you're into a more mechanized build.
@jonathanathor117 They would've if GW didn't kill Ferrus and destroy his legion. They're basically nonexistent what is there to like about them?
It’s not really that simple. You’re not going to make money off something if you don’t invest in its development, and if GW never puts much stock in the Iron Hands to begin with, how are they supposed to make money? For all they know, Iron Hands could be one of the really popular legions if they just had more quality novels and art about them, if their conversion kits had more customization options, if they had more characters to field on the tabletop.
Ironically, the attachment that's essentially made for them is really popular but the common joke is "looks like you painted your iron hands the wrong color" because no one actually wants to play iron hands because they have no lore and the lore they do have. They're usually pretty evil or boring
If they don't invest in the Iron Hands, they won't be popular, and if they don't become populat they won't invest in them. It's a vicious cycle ya see?
I think Manus his early death in the series is also due to the fact that at the time fulgrim came out nobody was expecting the series to contain 54 books.
I am making a home brew chapter that starts in the heresy.
A captain survives the istvaan massacre, joins back with his legion, then in m.35 founds his own chapter, dies, is replaced, that replacement dies, and is replaced, then that one dies, and is replaced in m.41. The interesting part being that they go against Ferrus Manass’ ideals of perfection, if not perfect, replace.
They where the more human members of the chapter, and over the corse of each new chapter master their humanity becomes more and more cemented. And they push themselves farther, and farther away from the iron hands until they no long find themselves to be iron hands.
However when that last chapter master died, it was because of nids, and so 1/6th of the chapter got entombed in dreadnoughts, and with the lack of resources, end up having to replace lost limbs with mechanical parts, and having to field a greater than average amount of techmarines, too.
An Irony that is lost on them.
I think in 40k the best way to address Ferrus is to add him as the leader of the Legion of the Damned. Iron hands fighting alongside vengeful, robotic killers from the warp would be super interesting and cool
I'm just picturing him looking like a super jacked ghost rider
He currently is as confrimed in Master Of Mankind plus the legion of the damned pretty much being confirmed as all the Astartes killed on Isstvan 5.
@@arstotzka9088what about the loyalist marines on isstvan 3?
@@wailmerpail Fuck 'em
Honestly I kinda hope that they just bring him back so he can improve the legion and leave the legion of the damned more mystierious in nature
9:32 oh no we do have one its called the “eye of medusa” and the “voice of mars” books...which at this point im 90% sure Gw have ended because its been 6 years since the 2nd book in whats meant to be a trilogy. its a book that follows a marine named Kardan stronos who is meant to go from sergeant, to iron father to chapter master but they end it off at the second book right before the big ending conflict is meant to happen
Kardan Stronos, and yes, what the fuck?
@@alastor8091 edited, ty for catching that
The Red Talons and Steel Confessors also have great potential, a tiny amount of fun lore and a bit of limelight possibility, yet still nothing!
The short story feat of iron does a better job showing the inner thoughts and motivations of ferrus than his primarch novel does
Love the iron hands, but I have driven myself to madness seething about the lack of everything for them from 40k models, stories, art to the point I just made my own successor chapter
“The Iron Revenants”.
Neat iron hands factoid: they practice techromancy I.e. they can resurrect their dead through the power of the keys of hel. And tldr they’re a chapter of zealous cyberzombies
I love my Iron Hands being able to paint up my Iron Hands along side their primarch Iron Hands of the Iron Hands
One thing that surprised me about Ferrus is that they never made him think about the biological determinism of being a Primarch. For a guy so self conscious about his strength and weakness, does the fact that he was born a demi-god among men make him feel insecure or like he was always fated to be like this, and that his strength was never his own?
9:20 here's the thing we have a series like this, it follows Kardan Stronos from the point that he was a sergeant and to his eventual ascention to warleader. The books are The Eye of Medusa and The Voice of Mars we were supposed to receive a third book called The Sapphire King to finish the trilogy. It's been six years since the release of the second book and no sight of the third. It's a really good duology that explores the psyche of the chapter and how the marines deal with the "Flesh is weak" mentality, plus alot of guns, dreadnoughts and technology that would be considered tech heresy by the imperium but we are the favorite boys of mechanicus so its all good.
who else bricked up rn
Na, I got that big iron rn
Iron Within and Iron With-wait wrong Iron legion
im all bricked up...... 🥵
I LOVE BIG DADDY FERRUS 🗿🗿🗿
Lemme tell you what the problem is and was. Nick Kyme. The dude was a bigshot when the Horus Heresy started (chief editor i think) and is the perfect representation of Grimdork (taking the grimdark concept too fucking far) . The man was in charge when IH got kneecapped , heck he even killed Meduson himself. The Salamanders nearly escaped his grimdorkiness , i heard their book series has some serious chores written by him. I dont think he is still chief editor (otherwise Guilliman would have gotten assasinated and the Lion used in a fuckin ritual in todays 40k books) but the bastard is still kicking around.
Heck , the new Dawn of Fire book where we are supposed to get first Votann characters is being written by him. I guess Uthar is gonna die then or be buried in an avalanche of monotonous boredom.
First step to fixing IH lore is firing that man , cause i guarantee you , he will have enough clout to screw over any repair attempt.
I like you idea, splitting Fulgrim into two books would have just helped that book not feel as packed as it was and giving Ferris some pov leading to the Drop-site Massacre. It would have been nice if we could had a real established relationship with the Iron Hands before Massacre. Ferris and the Morlocks?(audiobook person my spelling is off sometimes) dying off W keying to Fulgrim could have hit harder if we had more of a reason to care. All and all it’s fine it didn’t ruin the series it just could have really been a fucker of a gut punch in there was more set up time.
Vitv just did a story where iron hands go to “save” inperials stranded on an ork rock i think theres alot there on that. Just more iron hands showing up where alot of tech from different species could be
Iron Hands and there successors are to enemy forces what the Avatar of Kain is to an enemy champion, prove me wrong. * sips the paint water *
It took me a bit to come around to them but I have a love for the iron hands. Ignoring the nod to Guts and Griffith that Fulgrim and Ferrus have that makes me like them out the gate, the hands are children that lost their father and are taking his teachings to the logical extreme. Dad was weak, dad was weak because he had feelings, dad's feelings caused hesitation, dad's hesitation caused him to die, we will remove weakness it is what dad would have wanted. There's great story of loss with them that resonates with alot of people. I see a comparison to the blood angels alot with them but it's subtly different imo. The blood angels adored sanguinious and mourned when he died. At that point there was less "shock" that a primarch could die. The hands were the first to lose their primarch outside of a sanction. They have never left that initial stage of shock.
Tldr: the hands are neat and there's alot of subtext to them I feel
Proof that the blood angels are just being babys about it. The iron hands only went moderatly insane over it and the blood angels are still losing their shit
Like you said it was necessary to kill off a primarch early to show the gravity of the war to come... I agree Ferrus should have had more spolight as well early...
The issue is that even with weaker or annoying primarchs the Night Lords and the Death Guard have some compelling snd really cool characters ... The Iron Hands are absent of that along with their primarch being killed early...
9:03 Sneaky beakies for background? Iron Hands would be disgusted.
left that in as a bit of an easter egg lol
Hey, uh, we Iron Hands already have this book series: currently a duology, consisting of The Eye of Medusa and Voice of Mars, with a preceding audiodrama, the Calculus of Battle, featuring our current Chapter Master Elect, Kardan Stronos during his "earlier" years.
"Why haven't I heard of those books", you ask? Because they're ... not good, because the author Guymer appearantely does not like to write about Iron Hands, ending the Voice of Mars at a sort of cliff hanger and has since then refused to complete the series, so bully for us lmfao.
Oh Battle Brother, Where Art Thou?
I've always been a huge fan of the music you play in the back ground of your videos pure gold especially the old jazz music
As an Iron Hands player, I would weep. But I won't because the flesh is weak.
“Hoed by Black Library”
Whether you want it or not Arthur, major Eldar solidarity is coming the Iron Hands’ way
Ferris just needs his own novel to flesh out the character and inadvertently the legion
It hurts because there is a lot of cool play room for how a legion would be affected losing the influence of their primarch so early.
Oh couldn’t agree more - the Iron Hands definitely need more written about them. Salamanders too
If you haven’t read it yet “damnation of pythos” its a good book and really approaches the duality of the iron hands doctrine with marines on both sides of the argument after isstvan and his death. Also “deeds endure” short story in “shattered legions” is a good source of character building for the sons of ferrus. Great video!
When a subfaction of a subfaction of Space Marines only gets as many stories as entire xenos races
Thanks for making Iron Hands content that im actually drawn to watch. By the way, awesome podcast with the boys at lorecrimes! AVE DOMINUS NOX, brother!
As a big fan of iron hands I hope we see a return of a ghost Manus, maybe as a part of the legion of the damned. Maybe we can get some insight on his thoughts or something, like GW please...
We need more Great Crusade stuff in general and in particular regarding the topic of the video, we would see the Iron Hands and Ferrus at their peak, we would see the actions that earned him Fulgrim's friendship, a place among the Emperor's too generals and the high praise he gets from Horus and Guilliman. Now in relation to current lore, yeah, anything would do, something with them front and center and not just another piece of background decoratives for a campaign.
It's because we don't have enough Space Smurfs and Space Woofs.
One of favorite chapters and it shall never changed!
So iron hands get treated like ad mech
welcome to being an Iron hands fan where you have a hand full of books (mostly short stories) and the only accrete models are HH resin models or 3rd parity 3D prints
one of my friends mentioned the idea of ferrus coming back as a necron. i dont know how itd work, but that would be fucking AWESOME
Another issue that’s hard to overcome is that they are also the “Vehicle Marines”.
They are just so much more in dreadnoughts, tanks, skimmers, etc.
This has a lot of potential for new types of exciting stories.
But that’s the problem.
New.
New is harder to write and get right. Many have a harder time getting into that mindset and writing it well.
It’s a similar reason to why there aren’t more guard tanker novels.
I do think it could work out really well, but its overall it’s riskier and hard to do justice.
Honestly, just make an 18 book long series based entirely off of the great crusade. That way we can explore those relations between primarch and legion, and delve deeper into the traditions of all the legions. Would also just be neat to see the crusade fleshed out more.
In lore I every primarc non stop compliments ferris every minute it feels like how gw is trying to apologize to iron hand player
Book 30 is an iron hands book, to be as spoiler free as possible: it deals with the whole "flesh is weak but iron will break before it bends".
Basically a iron hands ship captain who's more machine than man wavers between cold fury and logic and empathy for his fellows and ends up damning his whole company+some shattered legions marines that joined them
Unlike his other brothers. Ferrus knows that he is a tool of war for the Emperor... and He accepted it.
When Fulgrim was published I don't think they knew how successful and how long the Horus Heresy series would be, because of that some of those early books can feel a bit rushed and Ferrus certainly sufers from that. Also, I think none of the loyalists at Istvan V get the same depth of character buildng as the other legions, Iron Hands being the worst when it comes to that.
I alsi feel that if you want to go that transhuman route nowadays you would go Skitarii instead of Iron Hands, before the Skitari were playable they might have been the closest faction to the Mechanicus and the one with the strongest transhumanist vibe but they have been dethroned in both regards.
Something that i have also noticed is the fact that, usually, when people crave Iron Hands lore, they just make their own homebrew and create what they want from the faction from there; like, i can't say for certain, and maybe i'm completly wrong, but constantly looking up the homebrew wiki made me realise that Iron Hands successor are, on average, way more represented than other legions, and that could also be one of the reasons of the little popularity they have, it creates a feedback loop of "Irons Hands and their canon successors don't have much to show for them, so i just go look for something else, even if it is homebrew, and then i get invested, then maybe i go make my own homebrew" and its back to square one.
honestly I did not expect that battlebot reference in the beginning of the video
I'd definitely like more iron hands stuff. To be honest though part of what I love about them is how messed up they are. I'm not sure I'd want to see them fixed.
The best I've seen done to the Iron Hands and Ferrus Manus was the Lionel Heresy and Imperium Ascendant. I really wish he didn't die so early.
Personally adore the Iron Hands. Still of course, you carry excellent points. I feel that they can pull their weight narratively. Highly recommend you all to read the short story of Flesh by Chris Wraight. In my opinion they can be a truly dark and poignant in an interesting way, exploring very horrendous aspects of humanity.
So kind of a Thousand Sons and Prospero Burns situation where both books cover the same major events but the points of view and paths to get there are different for Horus Heresy.
Edit: A Iron Hands version of Brothers of the Snake sounds fun.
I tried to make „Flesh“ as my Google password but Google said it is too weak.
Always thought it would be an interesting arc if the Iron Hands became the hyper-militant, fanatical zealots to the the Mechanicus, persecuting missions in the name of the Omnissiah. In line with how the Black Templars are for the Emperor.
Also: Red Talons, Autek Mor. Come on.
Well, Arthur, you're officially being listed on the Lexicanum as a 40k content creator. Love the channel, and hope you keep going for a long, long time.
_Edit: As an aside - Ferris does have more stories scattered through the Heresy series. Such as a 4hr story (assuming audio book), that focuses only on Ferris and his Legion, in the novel The Primarchs. Ferris DOES need more content, a novel about Ferris is in the works that takes place before the Heresy, but many who say he only is in one book haven't even made it halfway through the series._
To big problems with iron hands. Gw’s modern upgrade kits are so minimalist to sell more and their lore is nonexistent book wise.
Seriously his suggestion on a book series would be awesome. Or maybe a deathwatch series where you have an iron hands member amongst the main team we follow.
I honestly think that if they do something with them they should bring Ferrus back and have him teach them that doing what their doing makes them more corruptable by chaos which they see as weak hence fixing the whole ignore your emotions and the flesh is weak mentality especially with Vashtorr around it just makes more sense
Well, in general, the way how they presented Ferrus into HH and killed him in the same book is hilarious. Especially considering that they kept building his "legend" through whole Horus Heresy as one of the best primarch, great commanders etc. They did to him almost the same thing as to Lost Primarchs...we know he existed and was great but we will read a whole shit about it.
Now you say it, it’s crazy how much is crammed into the fulgrim novel, especially when you consider the vast extent of the heresy novels and that sweet fa of any great significance occurs in comparison in many of them.
Just give Ferrus a primarch book where he’s actually the focus and not sidelined IN HIS OWN BOOK.
Well, with end and the death, emporer of mankind, and another story I forget, there's a path forward.
I love Iron Hands i just wish they remade their identity as the superior support units that more or less gave up mentally but not physical or spiritual
im up to the mechanicum book too! its been a bit hard to get back into the series after battle for the abyss
I actually learned recently from other TH-camrs regarding the First Founding book that there was new lore with Ferrus's soul returning to Medusa to warn his sons of the emperor's fall.
So back in the day me and a few friends came up with some interesting Iron Hands lore in a game of Inquisitor table top. So the story went that a certain A.I. had survived the War of The Men Of Iron. Ferrus, in his ambitions to be as calculated as a clockwork machine, secretly hid it away as to learn how to become more "perfect". He only shared this ambition with his most trusted sons as it would have been seriously looked down upon by the Emperor. He was convinced that he could integrate the algorithms of the A.I. into a masterwork of machine and muscle. He could tame the Omnissiah and bring the Cult of Mars to heel under the rule of the emperor completely. So in our game, certain clans or Iron Hands were "loyal" in name only as they saw Ferrus's great work to be visionary above even the Emperor.
The best Iron Hand story I ever listened to was a fan-made story by Noman about a single Iron hand marine.
I really think we need a official story about an iron hand marine.
As a big iron hands fan thank you for mentioning us yet again. If i was going to try and breathe new life into the faction I would try to build off their hatred of weakness and have them be the innovators of the space marines along side the salamanders because everyone forgets that ferrus was also a genius craftsmen and i think if his sons started showing those traits it would help give them more character than the one dimensional flesh is weak stereotype . for example have them develop a process that ensures a marines survival when they cross the rubicon primaris or solving the issue of redemptor dreadnoughts burning out their pilots idk i think having a chapter that is good with technology/ heavy weapons but that doesnt subscribe to mechanicus dogma would be really cool.
Men of constant disappointment: Both canonically and how their treated.
How they twist away from their fathers true desire, reclaiming his strength, not through cold Iron, but Flesh, as they turn away from that weakness to the cold strength of Iron, rejecting their father and one another.
Ferrus sought a strong bond through clan conflicts, the Hands are just spiteful suspicion and self loathing. Such interesting differences, never really touched upon. Though Guymer gives it a shot.
can you PLEASE do a Soul Drinkers video soon theyre my favorite marines and i’d love to hear your opinion on them
Plus his legion doesn't exactly cover themselves with honor and glory when they knife Meduson in the back.
they hate us, we endure
I love the iron hands but because they don't have much lore I decided to do a homebrew chapter so I can make my own lore.
Iron lords would be a nice chapter to get more love.
The best Iron Hand. Is an Iron Warrior! Iron within, Iron without!
The Iron Hands are criminally underused, and still, the second best bromance in all of 40k has an iron hand, Sabik Wayland and megachad Nykona Sharrowkyn
(We all know the best bromance is Dantioch and Pollux)
The one thing that irks me about Ferrus Manus dying is the inconsistency, particularly when other Primarchs or other main characters have THE THICKEST plot armor.
Imagine a Game of Thrones where Eddard Stark dies in the first season and then nobody else bites the dust for the entirety of the show.
They need to bring back the Keys of Hel. Easily my favorite concept from the IH.
Time to listen to the Soggy Bottom Boys again.
I’ve just started reading the Horus heresy currently on the flight of the Eisenstein really enjoying it so far.
I'm hoping that you can ever do a coverage of the end and the death
What I’d do for some Red Talons content lol
Their chapter founder is one of the COOLEST chapter founders! Why aren’t you doing anything with the chapter founded by a guy who dropped a moon on a world eaters mustering world?!
For the scouring series coming up, with no Primarch having those who will be the Chapter Masters of the Successors of the Legion (both the Iron Hands chapter & the 2nd foundings) would be good. But to get some real focus on them in the current setting (kind of) a novel a trilogy really of the Moirae Schism would be perfect.
I've always thought that Ferrus should've been put into a dreadnought
Dude you can’t bring up ferrus primarch book as an example of him getting character. The iron hands and their primarch are side character to the story of one random emperors children preator who single handedly beats down the best of the iron hands and saves their primarchs life. You actually see very little of ferrus manus in the book that carries his name. It is sad.
Also you are right about the iron hands getting knee capped, but you don’t know the half of it. Not only does ferrus die but the iron hands command staff, along with every iron hands character introduces in ferrus’s primarch book dies. Some off screen or as minor blips in the broader story of the emperor children, often mocked in their dying moments. Then we get introduced to shadrak meduson, leader of the shattered legions, who pulls off some amazing feats, like orchestrating an assassination attempt on horus and in this mission they land a headshot on fulgrin that takes him out for a while. Meduson becomes a legitimate problem for horus to the point he sends a whole crusade hoast and one of his best generals to deal with him. How is he killed? The legions iron fathers betray meduson and run away, meduson gets strung up on horus aximunds flagship, taughted by aximund where be gets called stupid, and then beheaded after saying “i will never die”. It is genuinely a bullshit way to go and shows disrespect to the character. Imagine if Sigistmund got sent on a mission by dorn, and as sig is fighting it out dorn abandoned him there to die. It doesn’t feel like the iron hands abandoned their most competent leader, but black library killed him so they wouldn’t have to write about him.
Oh and meduson shows up next as an alpha legion imposter, where the imposter says meduson died like a bitch. Just to rub it in.
If you were an iron hands fan, I think you’d be bitter too.
Spoiler alert: the authors of Black Library are AT BEST a mixed bag. They have some genuinely talented writers, some decent authors, and a lot of trash. The HH series is actually a pretty good example. It is also an EXCELLENT example of what happens if you let dozens of people just do their own thing with a narrative (spoiler alert again: it does not work out well in the end).
Ferrus is overshadowed by Vulkan and and Perturabo in his own things
Ferrus Manus is the Primarch I want back the most. He’s got the least baggage. I had more to say but you said it while I was writing. Him back trying to fix his legion would be very interesting.
Whats worse is that there was a bunch of Iron Hands novel, Voice of Mars and Eye od Medusa, that were well recieved but never got their follow up.
My second favorite legion out of the founding loyalist after Dark Angels.
Btw there is an old Iron hands Tactical Squad box but its way out of production and its both plastic and metal, so likely from 1998-2003 i guess.