I also hate that. Watched a few videos over the years where they are referring to their fps in the top left corner that I can barely read on a 32" 4k monitor full screen. I find that useless. Appreciate the feedback.
Hey, it has been a while. Can only assume that he has parted ways with flight simulation for the time being. Hope all is well! Certainly no shortage of aircraft to review now that the majority of developers have jumped on the MSFS bandwagon!
Guys just a PSA he has SSAA set to on, do not use that. SSAA is essentially upsampling the game x2 higher than whatever screen resolution he has currently.
He had 2x SSAA on on top of 4K resolution. I might be wrong here but I think we’re actually seeing downscaled 8k lol. 3090 is a beast, 4K should be running better.
@@NOTAM1 I run an overclocked 3080, overclocked i9-10900k and 32GB dual channel RAM and on a monitor it's f-ing amazing but I had to dial back the settings quite a bit and run shaders to have smooth VR.
@@NOTAM1 My previous experience was running DCS on an MSI Laptop with an i7-9070H @ 2.6GHz, GTX 1660 Ti 6GB and 32GB RAM. I thought even on that PC that DCS was awesome and that laptop required significant tweaking to get DCS smooth in VR. I'm running an Odyssey+. I purposely held off on finalizing my gaming PC build until the RTX 30 series line came out. I'm running a Zotac RTX3080 which performs almost on par with the TUFF. Items that task the shit out of the system are "Civilian Traffic" and "Shadows". When DCS is on screen I have settings pretty much maxed out like you. In VR I had to do the following and my VR settings are below. This gave me the best VR experience and was a great balance between visuals and FPS. I don't have a metric yet on my FPS but I will say in VR its buttery smooth. Step 1: Follow all guidance here for VR Shaders. th-cam.com/video/bkzHTclRIgQ/w-d-xo.html Step 2: Run the following "GameDVR_disable" Step 3: Optimize your RAM (Do this in the bios and make sure its set to the speed of RAM you paid for). i.e. I have 32GB DDR4-3000 but in the bios it was defaulted to 2300MHz. I had to bump it to 3000MHz where it should have been. Step 4: Overclock the CPU. I was clocking at 5.3 on the i9-10900k with a six fan Corsair 360mm watercooler but was unstable in DCS at that speed and had to run at a solid 5GHz Step 4: Overclock the GPU. Note that even though you OC the GPU faster, you might still need to dial back the OC speed some to be stable in DCS. DCS is awesome but poorly optimized for VR and even with your 3090, your CPU is going to be your bottleneck. Even my overclock on the i9-10900K was a bottleneck Step 6: tweak NVidia settings Step 7: (As much as it pains you thinking the 30-series GPU solved everything) Dial back the settings in DCS. Texture = High Terrain Texture = High Civ Traffic = OFF (
Nice, haven't gotten into the Viggen yet but fly 18's and 47/51's as I like the WWII stuff. Been at DCS since lomac but dance back and forth with my interest between it and MSFS, especially recently.
@@NOTAM1 think we have the same thought as MFSF had me hooked and have a hard time to find my way back to DCS, I also have IL2 were I used to fly quite a lot, but MSFS had me hooked! Anyway thanks for your reviews
I really enjoy these reviews. They're well done and informative. They seem to have stopped suddenly after this video. Any word on if there will be more?
I had a 3080 for a couple months and ended up trading down to a 3070. I did a pretty good analysis of the difference in DCS between the two cards while I had them and the 3070 is within a couple frames in VR and at 1440p. DCS doesn't scale very well with the new Nvidia cards unfortunately.
Running 4K Max with more than 60fps on my i7 4.8Ghz 64Gb.RAM and 2080Ti. Why should I get a unavailable 3080 or 3090? At 4k you really do not need Anti Aliansing anymore - Gives you a great Push in Performance!
Practically speaking you can reduce some of the settings with very little impact on the quality of the graphics. SSAO punishes the framerate with absolutely no benefit I can see and there's no need to combine MSAA with SSAA - that's another huge loss in frames - it's way better to pick one or the other. I can see why you used maxed out as a baseline, but for everyday use I'm getting a solid 60fps on every map in nearly all situations. That is with a 2080Ti at 4K - I have a 3080 on order, but I'm buying that with MSFS in mind.
I had SSAA off before the test, just personally hate tests that tweak settings for a specific setup and claim X frames per second. You are correct though, anisotropic down and pre load and Super sampling are probably unneeded and were not on with the 2080 Ti when I ran it. But claiming X fps without a baseline like I mentioned doesn't mean anything either. I could have 150 fps with my 1070 Ti and the proper settings.
@@chuckchuck6269 I understood what he meant, but not being in front of it I can't remember. Its the one at bottom left that starts with SS (or ends with it?) its super sampling and I can't really tell the difference when its on, but it murders GPUS's With this off my fps doubles.
@@NOTAM1 As @Anglo Spanish Racing Noted ----... And I agree with the baseline requirement for measurement and comparison is most important. It would be nice to see the maximum performance and visual quality running DCS @ 4K. Would you get a 30% FPS improvement with minimum reduction in visual quality - if you reduced or removed MSAA, turned of SSAA x2 and turned of SSLR? Some of the extra goodies DCS gives for these settings seem more useful for content creators making Cinematic Trailers and add no value to most gameplay situations.
@@ysiadpir1423 it was more meant to give you a baseline of the 3090. If you take your card and max the settings you should see how much % improvement you should expect which should be similar to the % improvement at other settings (somewhat). That being said with SS and LR off I got around 90-200 fps. It varied wildly depending on the area. External views were closer to high 150+ fps. Hope that helps.
See the comment above...SSAA. This is actually rendering at 8k then downscaling it to 4k. OF COURSE is 38 FPS on the lows. Also, watch Jayztwocents review of MS Flight Simulator and "low" fps when compared to shooters and RPGS and racing simulators.
@@einarabelc5 So you do realize you are just agreeing with him? SSAA is an outdated AA method for sure. But it's still in there, instead of for example TAA. Quote from you: SSAA. This is actually rendering at 8k then downscaling it to 4k And why is that? Answer and quote from OP: Clearly dcs graphics engine needs an overhaul So yes, 1500$ and 38 FPS is crap and shows the DCS graphics engine and settings need an overhaul. Hope it's more clear now.
@@kontoname well, I think most of the people thinking about a game engine like a 1 scene tech demo like to be found in 3d mark etc.. It is not just a checkbox in the settings to support different AA techniques. Some AAs are utilized during the rendering process, others after that in post effects time. Some techniques cannot be used with some of the lighting methods coz the combination causes lighting artifacts. Also the post effect AA gives blurry image which is very undesired on VR setups for example. The fact that I can paly the DCS on my old Haswell i5 k (4.4ghz) + 1070 msi gtx and 32gb 1666 ddr3 config while using RiftS shows the DCS isn’t that unoptimized crap..AA? I really don’t need it, if I set my pixel density a bit higher, the result is good enough for me.. If there was a new (txaa like) blurry result but small footprint I would leave it OFF. Better to have slightly pixelated edges than blurry image. The fact is, NOTHING beats the SSAA in image quality, not even close to it.
@@kontoname How is he agreeing with him? That's just an optional feature in the options and isn't even the primary method for AA the engine is using. It's mostly there for people with powerful hardware, but with less capable monitors or for people who play on lower settings, but still want higher quality AA. SSAA is in no way outdated, it's just a fringe AA method due to hardware requirements, if anything MSAA is outdated. Having a native SMAA option would be nice, because post-processing AA methods like FXAA (which you can inject via your drivers settings manually) or TAA blur the objects way too much, which makes the target acquisition in simulators like this harder and completely unacceptable. Dude's literally rendering the game on 2 times the resolution with 4 times MSAA to boot at 4k, of course it will have relatively low performance just with the amount of clutter and polygonal density the game has to render with such inane drawing distances. This is not just an overkill, this is on completely imperceptible levels while also EXTREMELY hardware intensive. He claims it's to create the baseline, but it's not, no-one activates SSAA as a baseline, it's literally the last option you should consider and absolutely irrelevant to almost everyone.
@@g1gabyt3 so i should turn SSAA off , correct....? i only have a 2080Ti and i only have a 6800K processor (I know, it's an old processor - i will upgrade soon i think )
On 4K MSAA and SSAA can be set to 2x each cause higher won't be many benefits. And DCS takes many resources when trees set to max, so I usually set it to around 40%. Visib Range affects hugely when above large cities, and this is where DCS does much worse than MSFS2020.
Did you enable hardware acceleration? :) DCS world does much better with it enabled. Also iirc I believe DCS world is more cpu intense than gpu, needles to say you still need a decent gpu for max settings.
Very nice, thanks for posting and doing it. Looking at the fps, may I ask, how does it handle flying over the cities in Syria? They affect the fps quite a bit, as they should. /Wilbuz
As an Avid Sim fan, I just have not been able to get into DCS. I find it complicated, and I don't know what to buy to get started. I die immediately in any of the stock missions in the Su25.
Make sure your controllers are setup properly and if you do not have a HOTAS of some type, get one. There are many economical solutions to get started. A stick, throttle and rudder are essential for DCS.
Like I said long time simmer and real world pilot, I’m not worried about systems and flying the aircraft... but just figuring out the different weapons systems, how to do a mission, where do missions come from etc. I have a Hotas setup.
You are not alone, DCS is awesome, but even for pilots the barrier to entry (just using DCS, Mission Editor, where to learn about systems, where to start etc..) is not easily laid out or found. Its easy to say for people like me who have been around since LOMAC and flaming cliffs (loved those back then), but even having been around since then and walking away from DCS for a few years, my return to it was not a simple path. Eagle Dynamics have recognized this and are currently working on a middle ground product that will more easily introduce the product to people.
I did the same test with 3090 for my 8K monitor and the result was very bad. I couldn't get past 29 FPS anywhere. Even at 4K i was around 49 to 58 FPS ON and OFF. Nvidia advertised the 3090 as a 8K gaming card. For the price of 1500$ plus it's a rip off. I was fortunate enough to return it before the 30 days mark at my micro center.
I can get very similar results from my 2 1080ti's I was expecting a serious jump forward in graphics. I hoped the card would have better than this, still nice video :) And I can get much higher frames than that.
Nice vid, but how much is noticeable in 4k without Antialiasing? Is it worth to sacrifice framerate for some eye candy that is barely see? Just got mail that my 3080 is on my way+ next week HP Reverb G2 :)
AA is fine, disable Super sampling, and pre-loaded scenery and anisotropic to 8x and you'll get 100 fps - 200 fps when you're at higher altitude. Can definitely get way more fps in DCS with almost no hit to visuals (translation I can't see a difference but I don't want to be so bold to say there isn't one.) I just wanted to bench it at max as it's easy for people to set everything to max to test against this.
Though choices to make in the future ?! Do we go for a all AMD setup ? Big navi & 5900X or go for intel and NVIDIA 3090 ? hmmmmm even then non of this tuff is on any shelves....duh anyway this looks stunning.... do know after my HTC VIVE and VIVE PRO the HP G2 is going to be my number 3 HMD.
what cpu are you using? i heard dcs is pretty bad to cpus. still sitting on a ryzen 5 2600x, and i plan to upgrade to a 5600x and a 6800xt. plan is to use it with the new g2. worked fine alltogether with my 1070ti and my rift s. curious if the 2600x will be good enough. a new gpu is expensive enough ...
turn SSAA and SSLR off and you will be finer. also you can turn Cockpit Global illumination off too, because it does not do anything spectacular neither
Its because the settings are literally maxed. A single setting change nets me double this fps. 2 changes and I'm between 90 and 200 fps (changes depending on scenery)
SSLR is very demanding, at least for the GTX10xx series. I guess, a better hw-architecture on newer GPUs won't help much and the visual benefit is very subtle. Disabling that might bringt quite some frames ;-) Additionally, this was recorded with both SSAA and MSAA on. I think, either of those, especially in 4k might be sufficient as well. Overall, impressive performance. I'm planning to get either a RTX3080 or a RX6800xt with a Reverb G2 VR. Now I'm confident these GPUs will run the reverb :-)
@@Hypersteff89 SSLR is basically a form of ray tracing, so no wonder it hits that badly. The full name is Screen Space Local Reflections. Not really worth the performance hit.
On a 3080 and this game does not use all the ressources, the graphics are light compared to some high end mmorpg. A graphic card from the 30x series can last for years. i don't feel any differences, it runs great, even on FS2020, you'll be able to run everything @4k ultra for about 8 years minimum 😂 About VR, using a samsung 720p, but i would give an advice : it does not worth it, Wait for the 4k VR...
3090 and no mention of VR. Sounds like you haven't tried it. If thats true OMG! VR in DCS is like watching a colour television for the first time, you'll wonder how you ever did without it!
Colour TV vs VR: I still remember the first time I watched the Brady Bunch on the colour TV my father purchased in the mid 70's lol.. VR for me in 2022...
i doubt that it does. DCS is more cpu intensive then anything, and i upgraded to a I7 10700 from an I7 7700 and I'm not seeing any difference at all with the RTX 2070. so until they make the game use more of the GPU i don't think VR will change any
@@sirbum69 I can't speak to VR, but I find DCS less CPU limiting than MSFS. Doesn't mean it isn't CPU demanding, It just scales better in my tests than MSFS does from the 2080 Ti. Although in this video at Max settings it seems less than exciting, with only 2 settings (mostly irrelevant) turned down (supersampling and draw load) I get 90-200 fps. I can't see a difference with these down and assume this will be fine in VR, but that is of course an assumption.
@@NOTAM1 yeh, i have thought about getting the 3070 as i hear its a direct comparison to the 2080TI if not better then it, yet for the same damn price I paid for my 2070 lol. it may help, it may not. i can say that with my 2070 when i don't play in VR i get 90-100 FPS on 1080P with all settings at high. its just VR that it starts sucking in. Though i am thinking about going from the Rift S to the G2
Doesn't no difference in a CPU upgrade mean it wasn't CPU limited to begin with? The higher the resolution the more the CPU work is offloaded to the GPU...VR renders 2x the set resolution (1 per eye)...so I'm assuming raw GPU brawn would help...
why do you super sampel it on 4k there is no 8k resulution texuers yet sp turn SSAA off. and on 4k running 4 times msaa is nothing your eye can se leav it at 2. the . and a tip is to remove the chmimney smoke since it looks like a 3 year old kid did play with paintbrush 1990. try it out and do a side by side compare video and let me know what you think.
Is this in VR because if it is on a monitor you have something seriously wrong with your setup. I have a 3090 and at 4 K I get 60 FPS locked without any stutters at all on my 60 Hz 4K monitor with exactly your settings.
With a single setting changed I can get 90-200 fps. DCS is extremely variable in its range of settings. The settings displayed would not be something someone would use in game. Also, what region, what aircraft etc... its so extremely variable.
Please help hey do You no how I can get the default Profile for the F/A 18 Hornet C for Joy/throttle and Keyboard and mouse I end up delete all my files for Joy/Throttle need instruction if You can help Me thanks
@@tokosreviews2552 no. go to your main menue. on the top next to the settings button, there is a menue for your available modules. choose the top bar for already installed modules and select the one you want to delete. after that, go to your safe game folder and search for the dcs folder. you should find the profile folder for controlls somewhere for your FA18. not sure exactly the root folder. it sound complicated, but its not. erase to folder. go back to your dcs main menue, again modules section, select fa18 and reinstall the fa18.
@@johnrowland2773 High priced modules that cover a relatively small geographic area should have better details. That said, he should've used the Syria map.
@@inrptn also keep in mind that dcs has to simulate radios, dozens of different aircraft subsystems for dozens of different aircraft, flight models, other ground/AI vehicles, it also has to trace radar rays in real time, and simulate explosions, hits, collisions, crashes, gunfire, etc. DCS looks way better than flight sim when you're 50 feet off the ground, but flight sim looks overall better because it doesn't simulate 90% of what dcs does, plus dcs is still on the same 12 year old game engine
@@al3jandr038 MSFS has plenty of systems that DCS doesn't have, including the most advanced real-time weather system in any flight sim. So your 90% is totally inflated if you take off what MSFS simulates that DCS does not. Yes, DCS is more complicated, but it's not such a huge gap.
MSFS has much better looking weather and the scenery looks better from a distance. But when you get up close, like you do when flying low in a fighter or looking through a targeting pod, FS starts to REALLY fall apart. Going through some valleys in the Caucasus region, it was pretty shocking how many times I could look over at the mountain side and see the river running sideways due to error in the satellite imagery. Hopping directly back into DCS, the scenery overall looked very bland, but when you get close it doesn't got all Alice in Wonderland on you. But the big thing that jumped out to me when I did the comparison is that the aircraft in DCS are stunningly well-modeled. After being unimpressed with the mountains, forming up on a tanker with some other jets up in the contrails, it just looked incredible. Overall, in any given screenshot I'd say FS is a better looking sim, but they both have strong and weak points. On a really good map like Syria, I do think DCS can trade blows with MSFS as long as weather doesn't get involved. ED say that a major weather revamp is a high priority; we'll see how they do. The weather in FS is truly jaw-on-floor stunning.
I have the exact same setup (for past 5 years) and it runs smoothly, no problems at high graphics settings. However I did order (about 2 months ago) a new PC build with an RTX 3080; I am hoping it will allow me to finally see what VR is all about, especially in DCS. I guess it'll be another 2-3 months before I get it (due to the lack of 3080s..)
42 fps for $2,500 CAD for a 3090 is pretty sad. The 3090 is a giant waste of cash for games (look at the benchmarks). I know this isn't in VR, but people need to understand that VR and 4K are only run by a microscopic number of gamers. I'd be more interested in a 1440p video with a 3070/6800 to see how this runs. I'm upgrading from a 1070 (at 1440p), and we all know that the optimization of DCS is terrible, but that is a far more realistic setup for the vast majority of gamers. I just want to get my lows above 37 fps (which is where they are now at 1440p, MSAA 2x).
40 ish if your lucky..... uhm nah thank you I think I’ll just stick to running on near max with my current setup and 85 - 90 avg. seriously I have all my settings on max minus maybe one or two of those you’ve got there.
But that is not an apples to apples comparison. If I turn off only Super Sampling and anisotropic to 8x I get around 90-200 fps depending on area, but this wasn't an attempt to show you how many fps I can get, because I could get 200 fps with a 1070 ti if I turn a bunch of stuff down, but that won't tell you anything. You also don't have enough relevant information in your post to tell us anything. What is your resolution?, what settings are not on max? At the end of the day, if you are running the same settings as me (identical, not almost the same), I doubt you are going to get much different results. This allows you to compare a setup easily to judge differences or gains.
@@NOTAM1 That's not "super sampling". It is Screen Space Local Reflections. An experimental feature that will most likely be gone at some point if they ever adopt hardware accelerated ray tracing instead.
The 3090 is being bottlenecked by your CPU every time you are looking at a scene with lots of objects, forests, towns the carrier etc. DCS is single thread limited in those cases.
Most sims are. In this case its actually GPU limited as I have things like supersampling on which don't make any more draw calls, but seriously tax the GPU. With supersampling off and anistropic to 8x I get around 90-200 fps respectively.
@@NOTAM1 You’re CPU limited in those scenarios where you’re down to 40-50 FPS such as looking at terrain or the carrier etc. As soon as you look at the sky or open ocean your FPS shoots up. The CPU is used drawing all the objects. It’s easy to test. Drop your resolution to 1080p and see if you get the same 40 FPS on the carrier deck at 1:36. If so you’re CPU limited.
@@jarentz It's the SSLR option's problem. It's a form of ray traced cockpit reflections simulation that is going to make things slow regardless of your hardware. Best left unchecked...
@@getsideways7257 Yeah I see SSLR is a GPU driven setting and has a pretty good hit when looking in the cockpit. What I’m saying about CPU bottlenecks is for example do “Ready on the Ramp” Nevada and look left at the airbase. In 4K or 1080p my frame rate will be 40 regardless.
Just started. Bought the Huey. Flown helicopters before. Supposed to be a relatively new plane. Looks like xxxx though compared to MFS though. Specially the cockpit is poor. EVERYTHING maxed out on new PC. Am I missing something here. Is it supposed to look this bad. Are the new hornet better looking? Carnt see through the TH-cam images to check real quality. Thought the Huey was good but it stinks graphically.
I own most DCS modules but no Helicopters except the Black Shark. Older modules look much worse than MSFS, newer modules look better than MSFS (cockpit) IMO. Can't comment on the Huey unfortunately.
What "new Hornet" are you talking about? There's only one Hornet in DCS, and that's the F/A-18C. Yes, it doesn't look great, yes, neither of the helicopters look any better (since they are all old modules). If you want eye candy, DCS is not about that. It's about the flight models and systems modeling. MFS is simply a tourist simulator with how Asobo approached flight dynamics, not to mention it doesn't have helicopters yet. But even when it will, nothing can beat the Huey in DCS. When I want to feel like I'm actually flying a helo, I always turn to that module. Either way, try the F-16CM module, it has a much better looking cockpit. Chances are, you'll like it more.
DCS has it moments. The high fidelity of the aircraft are nice, and the trees can look better than MSFS sometimes, but the buildings and ground textures don't hold a candle to MSFS, I agree.
Damn that is low FPS. I quit DCS because between DCS 2.0 and 2.5.5 With the same settings and hardware I went from 120 fps to 40, while game logic is mostly unchanged since 1.2. Sure I could burn 5000 Euro, but at some point one has to draw a line and ask if graphics alone on a flysim really worth 5000 Euro every 3 year. If the game logic, with coms, AI and so on, the game itself could just stick to 1.2.6 graphics. Graphics really matter if you get at ground level, but they totally abandoned Combat Arms, so i am sticking to Falcon BMS for now, until DCS will stop being a eye candy toy and take the simulation part seriously.
Nice video but it’s not necessary to use a 3090 to max out DCS in 4K. A 2080Ti will do the job just fine. A strong CPU is a better investment for sims like this. In many situations that will be your bottleneck.
@@krostouin yeah but running both SSAA and MSAA is overkill in any resolution let alone 2160p and unless you’re running a very large screen, the difference would be negligible. I run 4x MSAA in 4K but not SSAA. Using a 32” monitor. Hey if you’ve got a 3090 why not? Go for it. But you don’t need this kind of GPU to max out DCS. Again, the challenging low FPS situations in this sim will be limited by your CPU anyways.
A 2080 Ti hold up well, but not at max settings. I have a 2080 Ti and ran it before this. I was getting 25-50% less fps with the 2080 Ti. I'm not saying you can't run a 2080Ti very well with this game, you can, if you lower some of the settings (many of which are unneeded granted, but still not max). But If I remove those settings (super sampling and anisotropic to 8x) with the 3090 I get around 90-200 fps. But that isn't how you benchmark something for others to use.
@@NOTAM1 What benefit is 90-200 FPS in 4K? I don’t think there are many 4K monitors which run higher than 60hz. I run the same settings as you are minus the SSAA and get 60fps which is my monitor’s rate. Again, any situations where I get less than 60fps are due to the CPU. As a “benchmark” what your results show that a 3090 is overkill for DCS on a single screen. Unless you want to run >60hz or multiple displays. Heck try an 8K TV with the 3090 and get your money’s worth 😉
@@jarentz The video wasn't a comment on whether or not you should or shouldn't buy a 3090 for DCS. Its just a benchmark. If you were to use it as this, it might give you insight into the performance you may need or require (or not) with your setup. I may be wrong, but I don't think I offered any opinions here. Just "this is what I'm getting" sort of thing. This build was done to support the HP G2 eventually, so I'll take all the performance I can get to push me as close to 90 fps as possible.
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Are you OK? Haven't seen anything from you for a while.
Ya, not sure what has happened here. Just checking in and I see the last video was 6 months ago.
Well, I guess he has quit playing Flight Simulator as it is now 3 years!
@@TheFlightLevel Yeah, he made some good videos.
Thank you for zooming your settings, always find it stupid when people share this screen in 4k, while most of the time it will be seen on phones
I also hate that. Watched a few videos over the years where they are referring to their fps in the top left corner that I can barely read on a 32" 4k monitor full screen. I find that useless. Appreciate the feedback.
Hey Dave, are there any plans to upload more videos to this channel?
Hey, it has been a while. Can only assume that he has parted ways with flight simulation for the time being. Hope all is well! Certainly no shortage of aircraft to review now that the majority of developers have jumped on the MSFS bandwagon!
Guys just a PSA he has SSAA set to on, do not use that. SSAA is essentially upsampling the game x2 higher than whatever screen resolution he has currently.
Even with a nasa computer, the framerate stays in the 50s at best :(
Bc dcs can't normal use 6-8 core CPU.
@@ЮрийХахлев which in 2020 is problematic
He had 2x SSAA on on top of 4K resolution. I might be wrong here but I think we’re actually seeing downscaled 8k lol. 3090 is a beast, 4K should be running better.
@@SleekGreek imagine he adding DSR too lol
@@SleekGreek if the game is not CPU depending like other flight sims. There is single core power god not the GPU.
i really hope he’s ok. he hasn’t produced any content in nearly 6 months.
@Henry Germano it’s been 9 months now. he just disappeared. i would just love to know that he’s ok.
@@goalski134 Now 3 years. Makes you wonder for sure what happened?
Running at 4K then upscaling 2X can't possibly be worth the FPS hit but thanks for showing how the 3090 will run it in 8K
I'm curious how this does in VR
Pretty good
Me too, HP G2 on its way soon (Hopefully)
@@NOTAM1 I run an overclocked 3080, overclocked i9-10900k and 32GB dual channel RAM and on a monitor it's f-ing amazing but I had to dial back the settings quite a bit and run shaders to have smooth VR.
@@Nick-xe2hu wow, its that much of a difference. Please tell me its still awesome and worth it :)
@@NOTAM1 My previous experience was running DCS on an MSI Laptop with an i7-9070H @ 2.6GHz, GTX 1660 Ti 6GB and 32GB RAM. I thought even on that PC that DCS was awesome and that laptop required significant tweaking to get DCS smooth in VR. I'm running an Odyssey+. I purposely held off on finalizing my gaming PC build until the RTX 30 series line came out. I'm running a Zotac RTX3080 which performs almost on par with the TUFF. Items that task the shit out of the system are "Civilian Traffic" and "Shadows".
When DCS is on screen I have settings pretty much maxed out like you.
In VR I had to do the following and my VR settings are below. This gave me the best VR experience and was a great balance between visuals and FPS. I don't have a metric yet on my FPS but I will say in VR its buttery smooth.
Step 1: Follow all guidance here for VR Shaders.
th-cam.com/video/bkzHTclRIgQ/w-d-xo.html
Step 2: Run the following
"GameDVR_disable"
Step 3: Optimize your RAM (Do this in the bios and make sure its set to the speed of RAM you paid for). i.e. I have 32GB DDR4-3000 but in the bios it was defaulted to 2300MHz. I had to bump it to 3000MHz where it should have been.
Step 4: Overclock the CPU. I was clocking at 5.3 on the i9-10900k with a six fan Corsair 360mm watercooler but was unstable in DCS at that speed and had to run at a solid 5GHz
Step 4: Overclock the GPU. Note that even though you OC the GPU faster, you might still need to dial back the OC speed some to be stable in DCS. DCS is awesome but poorly optimized for VR and even with your 3090, your CPU is going to be your bottleneck. Even my overclock on the i9-10900K was a bottleneck
Step 6: tweak NVidia settings
Step 7: (As much as it pains you thinking the 30-series GPU solved everything) Dial back the settings in DCS.
Texture = High
Terrain Texture = High
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Nice to see you on DCS NOTAM, been there for years, flying Viggen as im from Sweden and also f18.
Nice, haven't gotten into the Viggen yet but fly 18's and 47/51's as I like the WWII stuff. Been at DCS since lomac but dance back and forth with my interest between it and MSFS, especially recently.
@@NOTAM1 think we have the same thought as MFSF had me hooked and have a hard time to find my way back to DCS, I also have IL2 were I used to fly quite a lot, but MSFS had me hooked! Anyway thanks for your reviews
My how far we've come since red baron on my DX2 66😂 , jawdroppingly beautiful thanks for making me jealous ;) another great video 👍
Thanks Mark. I totally played red baron, I had a 486 DX50 (maybe around 1990) which was my first pc coming from an Amiga 2000.
@@NOTAM1 ahh F/A-18 Interceptor on the Amiga ;)
@@NOTAM1 YES Indeed!!! That was a powerful PC for the time btw.
Hey, miss your content, I hope all is well.
Bro...
I'm stuck with an Mx250! With those settings on only 1080p I'd get 60 seconds per frame
I really enjoy these reviews. They're well done and informative. They seem to have stopped suddenly after this video. Any word on if there will be more?
He has been stepping up that bread to get that 3090
I had a 3080 for a couple months and ended up trading down to a 3070. I did a pretty good analysis of the difference in DCS between the two cards while I had them and the 3070 is within a couple frames in VR and at 1440p. DCS doesn't scale very well with the new Nvidia cards unfortunately.
how did you even get a 3080?
Miss your content, if you can, upload more!
I realize I'm kind of off topic but does anybody know of a good place to stream newly released tv shows online ?
@Ira Christian Lately I have been using Flixzone. You can find it on google =)
@Jayden Archer definitely, been watching on FlixZone for since april myself =)
@Jayden Archer thank you, signed up and it seems to work :D I appreciate it !
@Ira Christian You are welcome =)
And I was feeling content with my 2080.
[WP] Tequila69.
Thanks for the shout out .
NP, Spooky.
Running 4K Max with more than 60fps on my i7 4.8Ghz 64Gb.RAM and 2080Ti. Why should I get a unavailable 3080 or 3090? At 4k you really do not need Anti Aliansing anymore - Gives you a great Push in Performance!
Wolf pack baby!
:)
Where have u been?
i wanna see it on the populated supercarrier deck in the dark with all the lights on in bad weather, thats the real test
Is everything okay? The lack of uploads is concerning (not because of the videos themselves, but because I'm a bit worried about you)!
SSAA ... turn it off its Scaling game from 2x higher resolution to that u play.
Yup....
This guy does not know what is doing LOL
Looks great
Sweet! Wolf Pack!:)
:)
love it, kinda wish that you had included some sunrise/sunset shots too.
I probably should have, DCS looks so awesome with the right lighting.
Practically speaking you can reduce some of the settings with very little impact on the quality of the graphics. SSAO punishes the framerate with absolutely no benefit I can see and there's no need to combine MSAA with SSAA - that's another huge loss in frames - it's way better to pick one or the other.
I can see why you used maxed out as a baseline, but for everyday use I'm getting a solid 60fps on every map in nearly all situations. That is with a 2080Ti at 4K - I have a 3080 on order, but I'm buying that with MSFS in mind.
I had SSAA off before the test, just personally hate tests that tweak settings for a specific setup and claim X frames per second. You are correct though, anisotropic down and pre load and Super sampling are probably unneeded and were not on with the 2080 Ti when I ran it. But claiming X fps without a baseline like I mentioned doesn't mean anything either. I could have 150 fps with my 1070 Ti and the proper settings.
what setting is SSAO? Don't see it in the options.
@@chuckchuck6269 I understood what he meant, but not being in front of it I can't remember. Its the one at bottom left that starts with SS (or ends with it?) its super sampling and I can't really tell the difference when its on, but it murders GPUS's With this off my fps doubles.
@@NOTAM1 As @Anglo Spanish Racing Noted ----... And I agree with the baseline requirement for measurement and comparison is most important. It would be nice to see the maximum performance and visual quality running DCS @ 4K. Would you get a 30% FPS improvement with minimum reduction in visual quality - if you reduced or removed MSAA, turned of SSAA x2 and turned of SSLR? Some of the extra goodies DCS gives for these settings seem more useful for content creators making Cinematic Trailers and add no value to most gameplay situations.
@@ysiadpir1423 it was more meant to give you a baseline of the 3090. If you take your card and max the settings you should see how much % improvement you should expect which should be similar to the % improvement at other settings (somewhat). That being said with SS and LR off I got around 90-200 fps. It varied wildly depending on the area. External views were closer to high 150+ fps. Hope that helps.
Great Video
Cool, please do it with the 6800XT, I heard from a believable source to hold on until AMD came out with their cards.
What black market did you buy your gpu from. I can't find any thing 3070 and up
Incroyable!!!
Woah, WAY lower than I expected
Crazy! 1500$ and 38 FPS. Clearly dcs graphics engine needs an overhaul
See the comment above...SSAA. This is actually rendering at 8k then downscaling it to 4k. OF COURSE is 38 FPS on the lows. Also, watch Jayztwocents review of MS Flight Simulator and "low" fps when compared to shooters and RPGS and racing simulators.
@@einarabelc5 So you do realize you are just agreeing with him? SSAA is an outdated AA method for sure. But it's still in there, instead of for example TAA.
Quote from you: SSAA. This is actually rendering at 8k then downscaling it to 4k
And why is that?
Answer and quote from OP: Clearly dcs graphics engine needs an overhaul
So yes, 1500$ and 38 FPS is crap and shows the DCS graphics engine and settings need an overhaul. Hope it's more clear now.
@@kontoname well, I think most of the people thinking about a game engine like a 1 scene tech demo like to be found in 3d mark etc.. It is not just a checkbox in the settings to support different AA techniques. Some AAs are utilized during the rendering process, others after that in post effects time. Some techniques cannot be used with some of the lighting methods coz the combination causes lighting artifacts. Also the post effect AA gives blurry image which is very undesired on VR setups for example. The fact that I can paly the DCS on my old Haswell i5 k (4.4ghz) + 1070 msi gtx and 32gb 1666 ddr3 config while using RiftS shows the DCS isn’t that unoptimized crap..AA? I really don’t need it, if I set my pixel density a bit higher, the result is good enough for me.. If there was a new (txaa like) blurry result but small footprint I would leave it OFF. Better to have slightly pixelated edges than blurry image. The fact is, NOTHING beats the SSAA in image quality, not even close to it.
@@kontoname How is he agreeing with him? That's just an optional feature in the options and isn't even the primary method for AA the engine is using. It's mostly there for people with powerful hardware, but with less capable monitors or for people who play on lower settings, but still want higher quality AA. SSAA is in no way outdated, it's just a fringe AA method due to hardware requirements, if anything MSAA is outdated. Having a native SMAA option would be nice, because post-processing AA methods like FXAA (which you can inject via your drivers settings manually) or TAA blur the objects way too much, which makes the target acquisition in simulators like this harder and completely unacceptable.
Dude's literally rendering the game on 2 times the resolution with 4 times MSAA to boot at 4k, of course it will have relatively low performance just with the amount of clutter and polygonal density the game has to render with such inane drawing distances. This is not just an overkill, this is on completely imperceptible levels while also EXTREMELY hardware intensive. He claims it's to create the baseline, but it's not, no-one activates SSAA as a baseline, it's literally the last option you should consider and absolutely irrelevant to almost everyone.
@@g1gabyt3 so i should turn SSAA off , correct....? i only have a 2080Ti and i only have a 6800K processor (I know, it's an old processor - i will upgrade soon i think )
Nice video! What kind of CPU and RAM are you using?
On 4K MSAA and SSAA can be set to 2x each cause higher won't be many benefits. And DCS takes many resources when trees set to max, so I usually set it to around 40%. Visib Range affects hugely when above large cities, and this is where DCS does much worse than MSFS2020.
Nice!, what monitor you have?
Did you enable hardware acceleration? :) DCS world does much better with it enabled. Also iirc I believe DCS world is more cpu intense than gpu, needles to say you still need a decent gpu for max settings.
Thanks for this video..
np Sey, glad you enjoyed.
Very nice, thanks for posting and doing it. Looking at the fps, may I ask, how does it handle flying over the cities in Syria? They affect the fps quite a bit, as they should.
/Wilbuz
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I’m running DCS world on a Ryzen 9 3900x, with a GEForce GTX 1065 and it looks almost the same with RTX !
As an Avid Sim fan, I just have not been able to get into DCS. I find it complicated, and I don't know what to buy to get started. I die immediately in any of the stock missions in the Su25.
Make sure your controllers are setup properly and if you do not have a HOTAS of some type, get one. There are many economical solutions to get started. A stick, throttle and rudder are essential for DCS.
Start with Flaming Cliffs 3 and learn with simplified avionics model. The flight models are still hifi.
Just starting in DCS. It is tricky to start. The choices are overwhelming.
Like I said long time simmer and real world pilot, I’m not worried about systems and flying the aircraft... but just figuring out the different weapons systems, how to do a mission, where do missions come from etc. I have a Hotas setup.
You are not alone, DCS is awesome, but even for pilots the barrier to entry (just using DCS, Mission Editor, where to learn about systems, where to start etc..) is not easily laid out or found. Its easy to say for people like me who have been around since LOMAC and flaming cliffs (loved those back then), but even having been around since then and walking away from DCS for a few years, my return to it was not a simple path.
Eagle Dynamics have recognized this and are currently working on a middle ground product that will more easily introduce the product to people.
I never knew a carrier had 4 catapults...
Learned it from a game.
I did the same test with 3090 for my 8K monitor and the result was very bad. I couldn't get past 29 FPS anywhere. Even at 4K i was around 49 to 58 FPS ON and OFF. Nvidia advertised the 3090 as a 8K gaming card.
For the price of 1500$ plus it's a rip off. I was fortunate enough to return it before the 30 days mark at my micro center.
were you CPU limited here. 39 FPS in a 3090, wow, i guess ultra settings had something to do with it buy im wondering if you had a 10900K
I can get very similar results from my 2 1080ti's I was expecting a serious jump forward in graphics. I hoped the card would have better than this, still nice video :) And I can get much higher frames than that.
He has 2x supersampling, that's like playing it in 8k plus full details and 4xMSAA. With SSAA off you will surely see double the FPS
Nice vid, but how much is noticeable in 4k without Antialiasing? Is it worth to sacrifice framerate for some eye candy that is barely see?
Just got mail that my 3080 is on my way+ next week HP Reverb G2 :)
AA is fine, disable Super sampling, and pre-loaded scenery and anisotropic to 8x and you'll get 100 fps - 200 fps when you're at higher altitude. Can definitely get way more fps in DCS with almost no hit to visuals (translation I can't see a difference but I don't want to be so bold to say there isn't one.) I just wanted to bench it at max as it's easy for people to set everything to max to test against this.
Wow!
Though choices to make in the future ?! Do we go for a all AMD setup ? Big navi & 5900X or go for intel and NVIDIA 3090 ? hmmmmm even then non of this tuff is on any shelves....duh anyway this looks stunning.... do know after my HTC VIVE and VIVE PRO the HP G2 is going to be my number 3 HMD.
Was this recorded via software or external capture card?
what cpu are you using? i heard dcs is pretty bad to cpus. still sitting on a ryzen 5 2600x, and i plan to upgrade to a 5600x and a 6800xt. plan is to use it with the new g2.
worked fine alltogether with my 1070ti and my rift s. curious if the 2600x will be good enough. a new gpu is expensive enough ...
Hey NWG, I'm running a 3900x.
@@NOTAM1 thanks that sounds good (y) was kinda afraid that u are running an overkilled 10900k
turn SSAA and SSLR off and you will be finer. also you can turn Cockpit Global illumination off too, because it does not do anything spectacular neither
Can you add CPU load and gpu load in your next video? And post your hardware? Thinking of upping to a 3090 for VR...
Unless you have money to burn, I would recommend the 3080 over the 3090. The 3090 is super expensive for the small uptick in performance.
I am curious, is the CPU perhaps bottlenecking the GPU ? FPS seems very low.
Its because the settings are literally maxed. A single setting change nets me double this fps. 2 changes and I'm between 90 and 200 fps (changes depending on scenery)
@@NOTAM1 Ah of course. Thanks for clarifying. : )
SSLR is very demanding, at least for the GTX10xx series. I guess, a better hw-architecture on newer GPUs won't help much and the visual benefit is very subtle. Disabling that might bringt quite some frames ;-)
Additionally, this was recorded with both SSAA and MSAA on. I think, either of those, especially in 4k might be sufficient as well.
Overall, impressive performance. I'm planning to get either a RTX3080 or a RX6800xt with a Reverb G2 VR. Now I'm confident these GPUs will run the reverb :-)
@@Hypersteff89 SSLR is basically a form of ray tracing, so no wonder it hits that badly. The full name is Screen Space Local Reflections. Not really worth the performance hit.
@@Hypersteff89 I would turn both SSAA and LR off personally when I'm playing.
My 3060 is lagging on 4K full settings any solutions except card upgrade?
GTX 1080ti performs pretty similar on same settings
That's just not true. I've tested the 1070 Ti, 2080 Ti and 3090. It scales pretty evenly between the 3
Thanks for sharing.... do you know how much vram is in use @4k? Thanks.
I never saw more than 9GB being used in either MSFS or DCS.
@@NOTAM1 thanks for reply....impressive! Thought it would more...take care.
Cant wait for 2031 when the rest of us can actually upgrade video cards again.
I’d be turning the MSAA to 2x and SSAA to 1.5 or maybe 2. You’re knackered if using TrackIR mate as it’s not holding 60fps, nowhere near.
Man, they need to finish Vulkan ASAP. Sad to see it run at 40fps on a 3090.
Vulkan will not help much, the core engine is the problem.
Do you mind sharing the full spec of your rig?
Right now I'm running a 3900x w/64GB 3200 Ram/gen 4 NVMe/3090/1000w PSU
@@NOTAM1 you have a 4k monitor but whats the screen size? Really important detail IMO
@@cpk01 Its a 32", but for the sake of performance measures it wouldn't matter.
On a 3080 and this game does not use all the ressources, the graphics are light compared to some high end mmorpg. A graphic card from the 30x series can last for years. i don't feel any differences, it runs great, even on FS2020, you'll be able to run everything @4k ultra for about 8 years minimum 😂
About VR, using a samsung 720p, but i would give an advice : it does not worth it, Wait for the 4k VR...
how did you even get one?
dcs nvidia tech dlss feature option???
Nice, I need to get me a 3080
3090 and no mention of VR. Sounds like you haven't tried it. If thats true OMG! VR in DCS is like watching a colour television for the first time, you'll wonder how you ever did without it!
Looking forward to it when the HP G2 arrives.
@@NOTAM1 🕶️Amazing can't wait for your reaction! 😂 👍
@@dtrjones I can't wait either. I've held off for too long.
Colour TV vs VR: I still remember the first time I watched the Brady Bunch on the colour TV my father purchased in the mid 70's lol.. VR for me in 2022...
Cool.. Now try aniso 8x no need of 16 and terrain preload 100 totally left.. And check again.
Yes, with these two settings lower, and no super sampling (which is really un-needed), I'm getting 90-200 fps (it varies wildly depending on area)
Right this is at 4K, I too wonder how it’ll do in Vr
Would you happen to have VR? Interested to know if rhe 3090 has gains on the VR side of the coin.
Waiting on the HP G2
i doubt that it does. DCS is more cpu intensive then anything, and i upgraded to a I7 10700 from an I7 7700 and I'm not seeing any difference at all with the RTX 2070. so until they make the game use more of the GPU i don't think VR will change any
@@sirbum69 I can't speak to VR, but I find DCS less CPU limiting than MSFS. Doesn't mean it isn't CPU demanding, It just scales better in my tests than MSFS does from the 2080 Ti. Although in this video at Max settings it seems less than exciting, with only 2 settings (mostly irrelevant) turned down (supersampling and draw load) I get 90-200 fps. I can't see a difference with these down and assume this will be fine in VR, but that is of course an assumption.
@@NOTAM1 yeh, i have thought about getting the 3070 as i hear its a direct comparison to the 2080TI if not better then it, yet for the same damn price I paid for my 2070 lol. it may help, it may not. i can say that with my 2070 when i don't play in VR i get 90-100 FPS on 1080P with all settings at high. its just VR that it starts sucking in. Though i am thinking about going from the Rift S to the G2
Doesn't no difference in a CPU upgrade mean it wasn't CPU limited to begin with? The higher the resolution the more the CPU work is offloaded to the GPU...VR renders 2x the set resolution (1 per eye)...so I'm assuming raw GPU brawn would help...
why do you super sampel it on 4k there is no 8k resulution texuers yet sp turn SSAA off. and on 4k running 4 times msaa is nothing your eye can se leav it at 2. the . and a tip is to remove the chmimney smoke since it looks like a 3 year old kid did play with paintbrush 1990. try it out and do a side by side compare video and let me know what you think.
What cpu do you use for this test?
My pc crashed just by seeing those graphic's settings
Is a ryzen 7 3700x and 2060 gonna be able to run dcs at over 60 frames with most settings on high? (Not the ones that overlap and kill framerate
Should be no problem.
Just leave SSLR off and you should be fine.
i don't undestand why activate ssaa and msaa at the same time...it's unusefull...there is no graphic vantage
To create a baseline that is easy to replicate. I never stated it was useful or worth doing, just a baseline.
Is this in VR because if it is on a monitor you have something seriously wrong with your setup. I have a 3090 and at 4 K I get 60 FPS locked without any stutters at all on my 60 Hz 4K monitor with exactly your settings.
With a single setting changed I can get 90-200 fps. DCS is extremely variable in its range of settings. The settings displayed would not be something someone would use in game. Also, what region, what aircraft etc... its so extremely variable.
Civ Traffic = Low
SSAA = x2
Me = "What?"
Does DC's support DLS 2.0 ?
Looks the same as my 2060 super.
Hope you’re still alive!!!
we need DCS running on an M1 chip...
Please help hey do You no how I can get the default Profile for the F/A 18 Hornet C for Joy/throttle and Keyboard and mouse I end up delete all my files for Joy/Throttle need instruction if You can help Me thanks
you need to reinstall the modul
Looks like Fritz gave the bets answer. Pretty easy to re-install.
you mean the entire game again like uninstall it
@@Michelsen3K
found it thanks Guys really appreciate NOTAM/Frits the German
@@tokosreviews2552 no. go to your main menue. on the top next to the settings button, there is a menue for your available modules. choose the top bar for already installed modules and select the one you want to delete.
after that, go to your safe game folder and search for the dcs folder. you should find the profile folder for controlls somewhere for your FA18. not sure exactly the root folder. it sound complicated, but its not. erase to folder.
go back to your dcs main menue, again modules section, select fa18 and reinstall the fa18.
MSFS looks far better purely in terms of graphical fidelity IMO.
well, of course it does... DCS isn't a world photogrammetry sightseeing sim. they are two completely different products with different goals.
@@johnrowland2773 High priced modules that cover a relatively small geographic area should have better details. That said, he should've used the Syria map.
@@inrptn also keep in mind that dcs has to simulate radios, dozens of different aircraft subsystems for dozens of different aircraft, flight models, other ground/AI vehicles, it also has to trace radar rays in real time, and simulate explosions, hits, collisions, crashes, gunfire, etc. DCS looks way better than flight sim when you're 50 feet off the ground, but flight sim looks overall better because it doesn't simulate 90% of what dcs does, plus dcs is still on the same 12 year old game engine
@@al3jandr038 MSFS has plenty of systems that DCS doesn't have, including the most advanced real-time weather system in any flight sim. So your 90% is totally inflated if you take off what MSFS simulates that DCS does not. Yes, DCS is more complicated, but it's not such a huge gap.
MSFS has much better looking weather and the scenery looks better from a distance. But when you get up close, like you do when flying low in a fighter or looking through a targeting pod, FS starts to REALLY fall apart. Going through some valleys in the Caucasus region, it was pretty shocking how many times I could look over at the mountain side and see the river running sideways due to error in the satellite imagery. Hopping directly back into DCS, the scenery overall looked very bland, but when you get close it doesn't got all Alice in Wonderland on you. But the big thing that jumped out to me when I did the comparison is that the aircraft in DCS are stunningly well-modeled. After being unimpressed with the mountains, forming up on a tanker with some other jets up in the contrails, it just looked incredible. Overall, in any given screenshot I'd say FS is a better looking sim, but they both have strong and weak points. On a really good map like Syria, I do think DCS can trade blows with MSFS as long as weather doesn't get involved. ED say that a major weather revamp is a high priority; we'll see how they do. The weather in FS is truly jaw-on-floor stunning.
???? I have DCS maxed out and i get 70 to 100 with 3060?????
Because there are different levels of maxed out :D Check anti aliasing for example. That will easily double his FPS
I think my 4790 + 1070 is good enough for 1080p dcs for now.
I have the exact same setup (for past 5 years) and it runs smoothly, no problems at high graphics settings. However I did order (about 2 months ago) a new PC build with an RTX 3080; I am hoping it will allow me to finally see what VR is all about, especially in DCS. I guess it'll be another 2-3 months before I get it (due to the lack of 3080s..)
42 fps for $2,500 CAD for a 3090 is pretty sad. The 3090 is a giant waste of cash for games (look at the benchmarks). I know this isn't in VR, but people need to understand that VR and 4K are only run by a microscopic number of gamers. I'd be more interested in a 1440p video with a 3070/6800 to see how this runs. I'm upgrading from a 1070 (at 1440p), and we all know that the optimization of DCS is terrible, but that is a far more realistic setup for the vast majority of gamers. I just want to get my lows above 37 fps (which is where they are now at 1440p, MSAA 2x).
anisotropic is better at 4x, it kills frames...
40 ish if your lucky..... uhm nah thank you I think I’ll just stick to running on near max with my current setup and 85 - 90 avg. seriously I have all my settings on max minus maybe one or two of those you’ve got there.
I reckon there is something seriously wrong with his setup. See my other comment.
But that is not an apples to apples comparison. If I turn off only Super Sampling and anisotropic to 8x I get around 90-200 fps depending on area, but this wasn't an attempt to show you how many fps I can get, because I could get 200 fps with a 1070 ti if I turn a bunch of stuff down, but that won't tell you anything. You also don't have enough relevant information in your post to tell us anything. What is your resolution?, what settings are not on max? At the end of the day, if you are running the same settings as me (identical, not almost the same), I doubt you are going to get much different results. This allows you to compare a setup easily to judge differences or gains.
@@NOTAM1 That's not "super sampling". It is Screen Space Local Reflections. An experimental feature that will most likely be gone at some point if they ever adopt hardware accelerated ray tracing instead.
@@getsideways7257 That would be SSLR not SSAA
@@NOTAM1 And you meant SSAA? It has a greater performance hit for you?
32 or 64gb ram?
How much ram are you using . . .
yes
LOL I get the same FPS with same settings on my old GTX 1080 Ti ?????
I'm using the new image scaling but @ 85% 3482 x 1836 (4K)
What da hell is Super carrier map ? :D
As a carrier is the size of a small city, I consider it a map :)
@@NOTAM1 :D
@@NOTAM1 this it the carrier included when buying the f-18c right?
@@chefboyarb no this is the super carrier "map" or addon.
The 3090 is being bottlenecked by your CPU every time you are looking at a scene with lots of objects, forests, towns the carrier etc. DCS is single thread limited in those cases.
Most sims are. In this case its actually GPU limited as I have things like supersampling on which don't make any more draw calls, but seriously tax the GPU. With supersampling off and anistropic to 8x I get around 90-200 fps respectively.
@@NOTAM1 You’re CPU limited in those scenarios where you’re down to 40-50 FPS such as looking at terrain or the carrier etc. As soon as you look at the sky or open ocean your FPS shoots up. The CPU is used drawing all the objects. It’s easy to test. Drop your resolution to 1080p and see if you get the same 40 FPS on the carrier deck at 1:36. If so you’re CPU limited.
@@jarentz It's the SSLR option's problem. It's a form of ray traced cockpit reflections simulation that is going to make things slow regardless of your hardware. Best left unchecked...
@@getsideways7257 Yeah I see SSLR is a GPU driven setting and has a pretty good hit when looking in the cockpit. What I’m saying about CPU bottlenecks is for example do “Ready on the Ramp” Nevada and look left at the airbase. In 4K or 1080p my frame rate will be 40 regardless.
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:) Didn't even think of that, but that is even better than all Airmen. May have to steal this in the future :), thanks John.
VR is what matters... not 2D , do something with a 4K VR setup 🤓
You can't see it so what's the point? This already has SSA.
Just started. Bought the Huey. Flown helicopters before. Supposed to be a relatively new plane.
Looks like xxxx though compared to MFS though. Specially the cockpit is poor. EVERYTHING maxed out on new PC. Am I missing something here. Is it supposed to look this bad. Are the new hornet better looking? Carnt see through the TH-cam images to check real quality. Thought the Huey was good but it stinks graphically.
I own most DCS modules but no Helicopters except the Black Shark. Older modules look much worse than MSFS, newer modules look better than MSFS (cockpit) IMO. Can't comment on the Huey unfortunately.
What "new Hornet" are you talking about? There's only one Hornet in DCS, and that's the F/A-18C. Yes, it doesn't look great, yes, neither of the helicopters look any better (since they are all old modules). If you want eye candy, DCS is not about that. It's about the flight models and systems modeling. MFS is simply a tourist simulator with how Asobo approached flight dynamics, not to mention it doesn't have helicopters yet. But even when it will, nothing can beat the Huey in DCS. When I want to feel like I'm actually flying a helo, I always turn to that module.
Either way, try the F-16CM module, it has a much better looking cockpit. Chances are, you'll like it more.
The planes look great. the ground textures look like garbage. but that is not your fault its very old software.
DCS has it moments. The high fidelity of the aircraft are nice, and the trees can look better than MSFS sometimes, but the buildings and ground textures don't hold a candle to MSFS, I agree.
I also have the RTX 3090 FE
Nice, Out of interest, what CPU are you running?
@@NOTAM1 intel 10900k
@@tokosreviews2552 nice, best bet at the moment.
I have same fps in 4K with a GTX1080. Perhaps you have a bottleneck in the motherboard/CPU/Memory
Even anisotropic and the pre load slider gives double fps increases when turned down. Are you sure you have the exact same settings.
He has SSLR on. If you had it off, then no wonder the 1080 can do fine. Although also in 4K? I highly doubt that...
Mabey 1440p?
Damn that is low FPS. I quit DCS because between DCS 2.0 and 2.5.5 With the same settings and hardware I went from 120 fps to 40, while game logic is mostly unchanged since 1.2. Sure I could burn 5000 Euro, but at some point one has to draw a line and ask if graphics alone on a flysim really worth 5000 Euro every 3 year. If the game logic, with coms, AI and so on, the game itself could just stick to 1.2.6 graphics. Graphics really matter if you get at ground level, but they totally abandoned Combat Arms, so i am sticking to Falcon BMS for now, until DCS will stop being a eye candy toy and take the simulation part seriously.
Nice video but it’s not necessary to use a 3090 to max out DCS in 4K. A 2080Ti will do the job just fine. A strong CPU is a better investment for sims like this. In many situations that will be your bottleneck.
I have a 2080Ti, it doesnt run these settings at all. Bro, look at the resolution, MSAA and SSAA. 11GB are not even close to what is needed. YT expert
@@krostouin yeah but running both SSAA and MSAA is overkill in any resolution let alone 2160p and unless you’re running a very large screen, the difference would be negligible. I run 4x MSAA in 4K but not SSAA. Using a 32” monitor. Hey if you’ve got a 3090 why not? Go for it. But you don’t need this kind of GPU to max out DCS. Again, the challenging low FPS situations in this sim will be limited by your CPU anyways.
A 2080 Ti hold up well, but not at max settings. I have a 2080 Ti and ran it before this. I was getting 25-50% less fps with the 2080 Ti. I'm not saying you can't run a 2080Ti very well with this game, you can, if you lower some of the settings (many of which are unneeded granted, but still not max). But If I remove those settings (super sampling and anisotropic to 8x) with the 3090 I get around 90-200 fps. But that isn't how you benchmark something for others to use.
@@NOTAM1 What benefit is 90-200 FPS in 4K? I don’t think there are many 4K monitors which run higher than 60hz. I run the same settings as you are minus the SSAA and get 60fps which is my monitor’s rate. Again, any situations where I get less than 60fps are due to the CPU. As a “benchmark” what your results show that a 3090 is overkill for DCS on a single screen. Unless you want to run >60hz or multiple displays. Heck try an 8K TV with the 3090 and get your money’s worth 😉
@@jarentz The video wasn't a comment on whether or not you should or shouldn't buy a 3090 for DCS. Its just a benchmark. If you were to use it as this, it might give you insight into the performance you may need or require (or not) with your setup. I may be wrong, but I don't think I offered any opinions here. Just "this is what I'm getting" sort of thing. This build was done to support the HP G2 eventually, so I'll take all the performance I can get to push me as close to 90 fps as possible.
the game is free but you need a 50generation computer