How Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth Changed The Story Again
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 พ.ค. 2024
- Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth like its previous release Remake has changed the story of Final Fantasy 7 as we know it, and today I want to talk about what those changes are and what they could mean for the trilogy going forward.
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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
1:14 Prologue
2:26 Wutai/Yuffie
6:16 Mt.Corel
8:19 Gold Saucer/Cait Sith
10:19 Gongaga/Cid
14:17 Cosmo Canyon
17:09 Ending
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Music In Order Courtesy of Final Fantasy 7 OST
0;00 FF7 Remake - Prelude
1;14 FF7 - Shinra Theme
8;19 FF7 - Overworld Theme
17;09 FF7 - Temple of Ancients Theme
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Clouds obsession with the black materia was kinda funny. He walked strangely and spoke with creepy voice, and seemed so satisfied when he got hold it. I almost expected him to go all "my precious" 😂
LOL I thought of smeegles when I first saw the scene. He pretty much did turn into that for the black materia.
Cloud was merging and glitching into the universe where Cloud becomes a hooded individual. We saw that scene during the time when Sephiroth is explaining the multiverse thing with Cloud.
It was weird hearing him talk like that. Especially when he was trying to get it from Aerith. He was saying her name creepy asf 😂
@@rishawn98 "Sneaky little ancientses"
It was like he was a kid chasing his favorite toy. It was the weirdest thing to see lol
I'd say Aerith telling Cloud the materia was fake was just a way to catch him off guard. He calls her out on it right away but in that moment Nanaki hits it out of his hand, their main purpose was to get it out of Cloud's posession.
Then why would Sephiroth say that the real one is the one between two worlds? He also uses the black materia to show his dominance over Cloud. Wouldn't have done that with the real thing he would've just yeeted out of there once he got what he needed, Cloud's job would've been over.
Sephiroth also admitted that the black materia they got is a fake but a fragment key that points to the real black materia which is hidden between the multiverse
I think it was. When cloud grabs the materia it's fully black but after Sephiroth gives it back it has red and black swirls inside it. i think it was like Aerith's materia where it was empty and needed to be refilled/replaced with magic.
@@umhi9778good point i think you are right!
The real black materia was underneath the Temple of the Ancients. Aerith gave it to him after they fell. That's where the OG black materia was found too.
Glad to see Sephiroth and Cloud are even more obsessed with each other than before.
the 15 minute sex scene was great
the 15 minute interact able s*x scene was great, GOTY
Just get them a room already 😅
Cloud is a sephiroth cuck. Sephiroth lives in his mind rent free when in reality it’s Zack and sephiroth who used to have the close relationship not cloud lol 😂
In the original, I dunno, it seemed like Sephiroth was just very overall dismissive of Cloud. Like he was just a bug beneath notice, even though they have huge history together. I have my issues with the remakes, but that was one positive one I feel.
21:13 a neat lil detail- when Biggs is recounting his death to Zack, he talks about a strong wind pulling him away before he wakes up at the orphanage. You can SEE this happen in Cloud's trial in temple of the ancients when you see Biggs and the game gives you back control you can swivel your camera back around to see whispers flying over his body before he straight up disappears!
I missed that! How cool!
I can't really speak to the whole multiple timelines thing, but I find the idea of Cloud just being straight-up in denial over Aerith's fate, with his mind at the edge of completely collapsing on itself, to be pretty interesting. I have a feeling that the acknowledgement from everyone that "No, Aerith died, she's gone," is what's going to completely break him at the Northern Crater.
And it'll probably be Sephiroth messing with Cloud's mind again showing him the incomplete real version of events at Nibelheim.
I am not sure it was worth losing the effect Aerith's death had on Cloud in the original, though. Aerith's death is one of the first human moments for Cloud, where he fully lets the facade drop and recognizes how devastating the loss of a life can be. Aerith can no longer talk, laugh, cry, or get angry. This revelation is integral to Cloud's development in the OG, and I really feel like removing it was more detrimental than interesting. But hey, I'm sure the devs know what their doing. Maybe they are planning to rip our hearts out at the start of part 3.
Respectfully disagree, when Cloud momentarily blocks the sword we see the rainbow light appear which signifies a new reality being diverged from its main path. In our reality Aerith dies as normal but then we see images where she survives and there’s no blood. Just as Seph says earlier, realities from the split timeline are merging into one and Cloud is experiencing her death AND her survival simultaneously. Her new ‘survival’ in this other timeline is going to play a major plot point in part 3.
He knows she is dead. Also knows he is talking with another variant of her
@@ademon4908 shes still alive in another verse. But in the main verse, shes “dead” and Aerith probably want it to happen that way like in the OG so that Cloud could finally snap out of Zack brainwash into his true self. It is hinted when Aerith said “i want to see the real you.” And Cloud was unsure what she meant. Right now Cloud memory is still mixed up with Zack
Cloud is in between two worlds atm. One where he saves Aerith and is happy and OG timeline where Cloud is vengeful with grief. He's "between two worlds" like Seph said the real Black Materia lies-- so he created the Black Materia with his grief and rage (Black Materia was once pure).
And when he finds the Black Materia in his pocket it's like a peek into OG reality and he gets a headache because it's to show he's in two minds. Like how the Jenova headaches have always appeared whenever his mind is showing what's real and what's not during the Remake trilogy.
"What is fact and what is fiction?"
They're deliberately showing a Happy Cloud to gaslight the player into thinking he's delusional. They need a happy Cloud to have a breakdown in the next game.
1 problem with that. They stated in the game that the Gi created the Black Materia. Agree Cloud is stuck. Guess he won't get himself together until next game. Or will he ever? Will we learn about the true origins of Cloud? We shall see.
What an incredible game.
@@shawnpaquette5835 Either that or Cloud Unlocks his true self Prior Memories and all
So this is an interesting take for me, cos my mind goes back to Sephiroth trying to trick him into thinking Tifa had died in Nibelheim and she must be a fake. The first assumption is that in typical Sephiroth fashion, he is fucking with Cloud's head, but what if Cloud, apparently being able to be split between two realities, actually did see Tifa die.
Perhaps somehow, Cloud being linked with Sephiroth, and Sephiroth now being able to experience and manipulate these timelines via the lifestream, also means that Cloud is experiencing multiple timelines at once, which is splitting his consciousness even more than in the OG when he just had Zack's memories to deal with.
Sephiroth using the reunion to bring all timelines together will have some pretty big implications for the people who have died in the past
it won't, none of these ideas will reach any conclusion
It can't they said that advent children and the novellas like On o a way to a Smile remains canon if they were to bring back Zack and Aerith all of these would need to be erased/retconned.
I think a new timeline has been created in which Cloud could save Aerith. Because as you see, when Aerith lied down on Cloud's hands, The game constantly switched between two images. One relate to the OG timeline in which Aerith was bloody and Cloud Saying somethings just like the OG one: Like " Aerith can't laugh or become angry anymore" . Another image showed us that Cloud was crying and non-bloody Aerith lied on his hand and No one else in the party like Tifa, Barret,etc... could see it. And on that timeline we're seeing Aerith is alive and touching Cloud's face and open her Eyes. And then they defeated Sephiroth together in the last bossfight. Bro we saw Aerith thanked Cloud for saving her. And saphiroth said he underestimated Cloud. In the end of that bossfight when sephiroth defeated, you can see Sephiroth dropped on his knees and really failed to defeat Cloud and Aerith on that timeline. There's no sense of Aerith's spirit fight alongside Cloud Bro.
and here's my fucking prediction for the part three tho. You see:
End of part one: Zack survived in an alternative timeline.
End of part two: Aerith survived in another alternative timeline.
And in part three we'll see this Trio(Zack, Aerith, Cloud) fight with sephiroth. Because of a reason:
Sephiroth wants to combine all timelines this time and then destroy them all together. So after we see combination of timelines, this Trio will fight with sephiroth and Sephiroth will kill Aerith and Zack. Because as you know: they had to die. Its their destiny. After that, Cloud will fight lonely with shirtless sephiroth and the rest will the same as the OG.
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Sorry for my bad English.
this is the best comment i seen this far thats perfect for part those trio fight sephiroth
Sephiroth underestimated Aerith, he wanted to kill all the Aerith from different timelines to get rid of her for good so she will not be able to help the planet to fight sephiroth, thats why sephiroth said *I underestimated you* after Aerith walkthrough the portal. ( at least that's how i see it )
Aerith is alive in two timelines, the one where she in a coma, and the one where he saved her from sephiroth. And how we know he saved her is because of the rainbow affect that appeared to show another timeline.
That end was a mess though. 😂 take awhile to understand but a mess.
you talk of aerith and zack from diffirent timelines and right you are,but you might overlook one thing and thats mulitple sephiroths coming together from diffirent timelines that would be one hell of a challange for the good guys and maybe a fuw sephiroths that didnt go nuts and are stil good that wil come to the aid?
if there is gonna be a battle of timelines then i suspect a multitude of parralel charc to appear aswel,would be cool to have a marvel endgame fight with allot of parralel charcs fight eachother in a huge battle
1. Incredible!
2. Bro take a nap please you are on that GRIND
A you tuber with an early copy lol fairly slow honestly.
Some changes I like a lot like how much more expanded the skywheel scenes are also I like that Tifa was not left in complete dust and got a lot of involvement by making new scenes like Gongaga etc.
Some others I hate like the multiple timelines bs
23:25 Slight correction, Red XIII also notices Aerith, as she strokes him and he says her name.
i think she's like a ghost presence. i could deal with that but not with that multiverse crap they clearly want to do.
Red has been known to be capable of sensing a lot of stuff including knowledge about lifestream Gingy's take doesn't feel like he's wrong at all
This is a top tier comment out of context
Actually, a going theory in a number of TH-cam video comments is that Cloud created a timeline when he deflected Sephiroth's attack. You can tell that something happened when the rainbow effect happened at the moment of the deflection. Then, the moment seems to be going back and forth between an injured Aerith and one that just seems fatigued. Then, Aerith touches Cloud and says "It's okay Cloud." Followed by Cloud saying "I got this." Then, after several fights with Sephiroth, He takes him baack to the edge of creating and attempts to attack him with the dark Whisperers. But, they are deflected by the white Whisperers as Aerith appears through a white / rainbow portal coming to aid Cloud in his fight. Aerith then thanks Cloud for what he did earlier. What did he do earlier? He deflected Sephiroth's attack. Then, when he approaches her again as she lies on the ground, the scene goes from the entire party crowded around Aerith with white Wisperers and green orbs floating around to just Cloud and Aerith with white Whisperers and the rainbow effect. Cloud then tells Aerith to wake up and she deoes. What we think happened is that Cloud's deflection created a parallel timeline where Aerith is still alive while the main timeline has her dead. She resides in this limbo state both alive and in the lifestream possibly because she is a Cetra. However, only Cloud can see her. Possibly Zack as well, given that he can see the tear as well. Now, we just have to see how the creators plan on utilizing this new element. They already used Zack to explain the rainbow effect and aid in the attack on Sephiroth.
@@renegade637 bingo right here this is how I see it as well. It’s 1 big multiversal game between sephiroth and aerith with both of them kinda using cloud and giving him glimpses into other reality’s. Not sure exactly where Zack fits into it but either he’s got his own thing or aerith is also helping him in a way. Either way those are our main 4 it seems who can all see into other reality’s.
Sephiroth using the Inn Keeper at the start to Astral Project to Cloud in order to gaslight him was genius. Of course he can do that, SOLDIERS have Genova Cells inside.
Not all SOLDIER members have Jenova cells, but a lot of them nowadays do since Hojo experimenting on a bunch of em more recently.
And if you do protorelic quests, you see the inn keeper become one of the robed men. Nice little side story w him
Every time I saw Vincent, I yelled “You can help at anytime!!!!” 😂
Right? At least Cid was honest n said "ya I'll fly you around but all that spooky temple shit? Nah im ok. Yall go ahead, this is y'alls adventure anyways. But dont worry, I got the Bronco runnin so we can hurry tf outta here."
@@r3gret2079 I agree like you’re contributing to the team in someway.
23:48 I am not convinced that only Cloud seeing her isn't a effect of some multiverse shennaigans either. They specifically leave out Cloud's 'death' dialouge and do not show her water burial, two scenes that I don't think the developers would leave out just for a fake out 'gotcha she's still actually dead' moment. I think Aerith in the 'main' timeline is still gone. BUT it was previously shown that Cloud and Aerith are seemingly connected/can move to their AU selves. It's in my opinion that Aerith in the 'main' timeline died, then moved onto her AU body in the timeline where she lived. It's why she still is around to say 'goodbye' at the end, because in all essence, she is still dead and it's possible she may not be able to return to this specific timeline.
I have a similar theory that cloud is “stuck” between two timelines and that’s why he can see aerith and the crack in the sky when no one else can
Red XIII can sense her too. So yes more than Cloud can sense her presence.
@@jkranites It's also possible Barret can sense her presence as well because of what happened in Remake when he died and had to be revived by the whispers. I don't believe Cloud himself can move between his AU versions and that's the work of Aerith, whichever version it is. Whatever theory you subscribe to, it still keeps to the original game, that Aerith is out of commission for the rest of the adventure because she's both dead like in the original in one timeline and in another timeline choses to remain behind in the forest of the Ancients to pray with the Holy materia.
Up until the end of Remake she remembers everything, but in Kalm she has no memory of Sephiroth's shenanigans and also Holy is gone.
I do think that cloud could also see the rift in the sky due to jenova messing with him given Sephiroth already told him what that means. I do think since even at the end Cloud willingly hides the black materia from the party knowing what it can do plus saying reunion to himself that his brain is still super broken. You see him crying when Aerith dies in his arms then his head starts hurting and it shows cuts of her being alive and dead at the same time. Him being so calm when everyone else is mourning makes me think that he blocked out her death fully from his mind and that the water burial and his speech will be shown in the next part when his memory gets fixed in the lifesteam. For all its changes the remake trilogy hasn’t left out any key moments and for that big of a moment to be left out doesn’t make sense. I think Clouds psyche is blocking out what happened really the same way he did with Zack’s death
I'm pretty sure Cisnei actually saw Cloud with Zack in Crisis Core after they escape Nibelheim and Zack is on his way back to Midgar, so she recognizes Cloud but decides not to say anything for some reason. At least that was my read on it. Regarding Cloud being the only one to see Aerith, I suspect the Aerith he sees is the one he saved, as he can see the rift in the sky while no one else can. That makes me think he can see multiple realities / worlds. Or Gingy may be right and its ghost Aerith. Or both. 0_o
I saw it as Cloud can see Aerith’s ghost from the life stream, cuz she returned to the life stream. Would also explain why red 13 can sense her, because her spirit is actually there.
Cisnei did say she met cloud before in one of the sidequests but doesn't elaborate further because its his job to remember the rest
@@soraman409paraphrasing off memory, but:
Cloud: We've met before, haven't we? You recognized me when we first met, don't try and deny it.
Cissnei: ...You got me. We have met before, Cloud.
Cloud: When?
Cissnei: That's up to you to remember.
5:58 I am also not 100% certain about this but 'Glenn' seemed to implicate that Rufus is also Viceroy Sarruf. In the Before Crisis mobile game it was revealed that Rufus was the leader of Avalance and was using it to flush out Shinra's enemies. It doesn't seem too far out that he would have been leading the resistance to shinra, basically controlling both sides.
I got the feeling Sephiroth is Viceroy Serruf. Either that or it’s someone we’ll end up meeting in Ever Crisis. Certainly Ever Crisis establishes a strong link between Glenn and Sephiroth that could lead to them working together.
That seemed pretty obvious to me, the name is basically an anagram for Rufus
@@cathygrandstaff1957 it's implied that Glenn's dead, so Sephiroth is probably - 1. replicates him, 2. Brought him back in the form of a gost and allows Glenn to posess his clones.
@@olgakuranova7986 glenn is like a friend to sephi prolly sephi's first friend during the wutai war at ff7 first soldier.
Jenova is using a Sephiroth clone to disguise Sephiroth as Glenn. Glenn is dead, it’s just a disguise. Remember in the temple of the ancients they say Jenova would take on the faces of dead loved ones or those you fear to trick her enemies. And Rufus is Viceroy Sarruf, Jenova and Sephiroth know this and throw it in his face and it’s also why the podium was empty during the news press. Rufus runs Shinra, Wutai and Avalanche, hence is why he says “Welcome to the new world order” aka a one world government
Another awesome video man!
I literally finished Rebirth 3 hours ago and this is uploaded, perfect timing :D
this game is 100 hours long. How are you guys beating this so fast?
@@Alvun416took a week and a half off work and played around 7 to 8 hours a day, some days less, some days more
I see. I didn't take any time off and played as much as you did but it took me almost 3 weeks.@@kickingmagpie
Thank you for the recap!
Ya'know, since it's been pretty well established throughout the FF7 franchise that Sephiroth is able to come back time and time again because Cloud exists, and given how Cloud is a lot more heavily influenced and outright controlled by Sephiroth is in Rebirth as opposed to the original, and that it's hinting that Zack is going to try and find a way back to everybody it makes me wonder if Cloud is going to die in part 3. I mean it'd be kind of poetic in a way if Zack ended up becoming a stand-in among the group for Cloud after Cloud assumed Zack's life for so long. Not to mention it was established in one of the lore books I believe that as long as Cloud is alive, Sephiroth will be able to come back time and time again, and I think Zack and the gang are going to have to be the ones that kill Cloud because he'll end up becoming another Sephiroth or just fully possessed by Sephiroth completely in mind and body. That's just my hypothesis though. Find out in like 5 years whether I was right or not.
Ummm no Sephiroth is able to come back again and again because of the Jenova cells. Zack is dead in this one and the original. If your idea is true Cloud dying as well as Aerith and Zack being alive pretty much means Sephiroth wins. Without Aerith sacrificing herself to bring Holy or Zack breaking Cloud out of Nibelheim and dying before Midgar there's no journey to save the planet. Zack and Aerith need to die their presence is allowing Sephiroth to take more control.
@@finalfantasy1912 I believe in Lifestream: Black, the story written about Sephiroth in the Lifestream, Sephiroth himself says that so long as Cloud remembers who he is he can come back time and time again, and that the lifestream is trying it's best to dissipate Sephiroth's essence and while in the lifestream Sephiroth had forgotten what his original form was and basically who he was and that the only thing really keeping him together was his strong connection with Cloud and the fact that Cloud remembers him. If you don't believe me look it up, it's official lore from the writers themselves.
The story leads into Advent Children, so it's going to take those plot-points into account. I don't think that's a good thing as AC's story is mid at best, but it is what it is.
@@Flopdoodleac had a story? 😂
There were 5 different stamps shown in the game, afaik, the beagle, terrior, the dog on the chips biggs is eating, the dream date has a different stamp and the scenario with zack sitting outside the church has jonny run passed with another stuffed stamp.
STAMP PRIME - main timeline
STAMP A - remake ending (zack alive first time split)
STAMP AD - aeriths dream
(tries to keep herself safe from Sephiroth in STAMP A where marline tells zack that if aerith wakes up Sephiroth kills her)
CROSSOVER
STAMP A - zack(has aeriths ribbon) storms hojos lab to get help for cloud (ZACK Possibly dead or alive)
STAMP B - zack(doesnt have aeriths ribbon) goes to biggs in reactor 6
and tries to save him but biggs dies (ZACK Possibly dead or alive)
STAMP C - zack sits in church thinking who he will save aerith/cloud/biggs
CONVERGENCE
STAMP PRIME - aerith gets stabbed and dosnt?!
STAMP C - zack gets yeeted to "between worlds"
STAMP AD - cloud gets yeeted to STAMP PRIME
(with holy materia he got from STAMP AD aerith traded to "empty materia")
STAMP C - zack sees cloud in between world and touches him to shoulder
and gets teleported to "some dream sht" to fight Sephiroth with cloud
middle of fight Sephiroth cuts their worlds apart?!
- so zack is back to his own timeline fighting same Sephiroth reborn?
STAMP PRIME - cloud returns to maintimeline where aerith is dead?
STAMP C - zack wakes up in non destroyed church
(in world where cloud and aerith both pretty much still in coma?!)
CLOUD sees multiverse ripple in sky and nobody else does...WTF IS GOING ON
CLOUD has the empty materia->puts it to pocket->it turns to black materia?
and Sephiroth still manipulates cloud to reunion with all the clones with sepi genes?
In the end last 2chapters of the game really was mindf...
and needed to be written down to understand and needed to
somewhat return to CC and og FF7 and FF7 remake to understand
@@pekonipilvi116damn excellent breakdown, much better than my half assed sentence lol
@@pekonipilvi116fuck yeah, great job my dude! 👏 👏👏
@@necropig ff7 part 3 will be total insanity....especially cause if what Zack says is true in STAMP C.. "CONVERGENCE" will be breaking my mind even more while trying to write them down where everyone is and where everyone is from and what sephiroth we are fighting this time..therefore if convergence happens in third one . We will be seeing Aerith that Cloud DID save from stabby stabby before teleporting to STAMP PRIME where aerith died :) but that reminds me A shit ton of FF X and its way of working...OH WAIT THOSE 2 ARE CONNECTED so its possible
@@pekonipilvi116 i keep seeing people say it turned into the black materia when theres an obvious clink of the two materia hitting each other in his pocket.
1 correction - Cissnei did not mistake Cloud for Zack, she actually recognized him because she saw him in Crisis Core while he was off due to the mako poisoning and saw that Zack was helping him
yeah, he's even still wearing the same clothes from when she saw him
@@andyukmonkey not exactly the same, it's still unexplained as far as I know how he lost the right shoulder pauldron and modified the left pauldron and glove and it haven't even been a year since Cissnei last saw Cloud on the way to Midgard with Zack, only a couple of months ( 3 or 4 if I'm not mistaken )
@@TokaSFC oh! I didn't even notice a difference
I would love a full length video honestly. You explain so well, I was kinda sad when the video ended
Great wrap up. Thanks for confirming the 3rd section. I really hope they seal the deal properly 🙏
Glad you did a video for this, as I can't afford a PS5 and follow along.
Get it once it releases on PC
I cannot wait for the lightsaber duel between Aerith Prime and Sephiroth Prime from Earth Prime.
Aerith being a spirit seems like a weird conclusion to me, given that it had literally just shown us both outcomes where she died/survived. Also Cloud seeing the tear in the sky. Seems clear to me that Cloud is somehow trapped between the 2 timelines in some way, and so he's seeing the version of Aerith that actually did survive. This will probably be resolved during his identity crisis in the third game.
Awesome video! I have completed all the protorelic objectives (trying to speak spoiler free) I just need the beast parts in hard mode to get my genji gloves. I have 2 brutal challenges to go which I’m really struggling with and the last 6 person battle in the gold saucer. I just subscribed, you explain things so well and you’re straight to the point! I hope you have a guide on the best way to beat all the brutal challenges to be as OP as possible. I mainly used the time/quake combo with cait sith so some of what you mentioned applies, but I love the builds and can’t wait to get my gloves.
I wouldnt say wutai was cut, many players don't even go there until post airship anyways. Also you don't get the leviathan scales until after carrier armor in the original.
The trilogy is LITERALLY a sequel to advent children: from the first game you can clearly tell that Aerith and Sephiroth knew what was going to happen in the future and by challenging fate multiple timelines were created so there’s still a chance to see Aerith back in the third game in fact she’s alive in Zack’s timeline.
Sounds like the repeated Max theory. It has already been confirmed in interviews that the story leads into Advent Children, I believe this comment in the interview to be kind of on the nose and believe they will remake Advent Children after the trilogy is complete/add Advent children to the trilogy in game form with the necessary changes that are being made to the story to tie it all in, as even the complete version of AC is still messy. The idea it is a sequel is commonly misconstrued I think because a popular streamer said it right after completing remake. The story is more so diving into the ideals that were in OG like when sephiroth said in the OG he had traveled the lifestream to the past and future. They are diving into that, they literally show Tifa traveling the lifestream in rebirth. I don't believe it to be a sequel, that kind doesn't add up when you add other scenarios to it. I believe they are just fleshing out/expanding their initial ideas of the lifestream that are implemented in the original showing that more than just Sephiroth can travel it and learn from it/make changes based on what is learned through it.
you also over complicating it with that theory. Do we all forget that the real sephiroth is at the northern crater.
@@kinglebricks5833 people seem to forget that the real sephiroth is at the northern crater and that seph is like his spirit/consiouscnes/lifesteam jenova bod influence since seph is a half born from human and jenova. i think rebirth is trying to imply from the trailers alone that cloud is having a hard time seeing what is fact and fiction. Cloud also have a PTSD and memory loss that his way of coping is not remembering that saddest part of his life we can see that we cloud not remembering who zack was and replacing the dead shinra militant into zack when he remembered who zack was. I think the whole rebirth is being told by the view of cloud that is slowly being controlled be sephiroth. Got another thought for the black materia part but its a bit long.
@@jeromefeliciano4611 you're assuming the original is still in place when it comes to that. Sephiroth is definitely sephiroth as he's not focused on the Jenova thing in the remake trilogy (so far) We see sephiroth is existing on multiple plains of existence currently knowing things he shouldn't know
@@kinglebricks5833 well the things is he got 5 years of tinkering at the lifestream and finding out a plan it may not even be seph it maybe more like a jenova avatar cuz one of jenova's goal is to imitate an ancient and dominate the planet which is on par with what the seph want atm. Also in dirge of cerberus lucrecia saw a glimpse of the future we can imply that jenova can see the future too.
The multiple reality part maybe an effect of lifestream as we can see that aerith at the other reality is the aerith in rebirth same with cloud at the other reality. I assume that the alternate reality world is like a safe haven for the holy material and the black matera on the other hand needed something to be activated (this is where my theory for black material comes).
I'm really miffed about the Midgar Zolom, because the way it stalks you on the overworld was such a creepy thing, and while you can beat it, it's intended to be avoided for safety. It's a threat to players, and finding it just impaled, dead, erased, by Sephiroth later is a major chilling moment.
It's also funny that the hooded guy was actually Glenn after all. The First Soldier / Ever Crisis storyline still hasn't popped off, though, so he's still very undercooked as a character.
Showing the Midgar Zolom DESTROYED that way was a great way to show just how powerful and above you Sephiroth was, and this game tries to do the same thing...however, it fails because you literally beat Sephiroth at the end of the previous game.
How is a big snake a threat when you have already killed a god?
Though the way it’s handled, the Zolem ambushing Cloud’s party and almost killing Cloud and Sephiroth appearing to save Cloud both shows how much more powerful Sephiroth is and that he needs Cloud alive for some reason.
Although it is undercut by the fact that you beat him at the end of the previous game. I know you’re supposed to interpret that as he was just playing with you and let you go after having a bit of fun with you but it wasn’t that well presented. Honestly if I were designing it I’d make the battle last for x number of rounds but give Sephiroth so much HP he couldn’t be defeated regardless of how strong the players were. Games used to do stuff like that with intentionally unbeatable bosses but gamers got pissed off so now we can’t have nice things.
@@cathygrandstaff1957But this is total nonsense since you already beat sephiroth in the previous game. The story changes in rebirth is very poorly thought out.
How can the game be showing you he's above your power level when you already beat him in a fight, and canonically in world not that long ago?
@@tauriasstormshield499 Yeah it’s a problem. If they’d shown he was just playing with you, or had been like older unwinnable boss fights and ended with him KOing all of you it would make more sense. The thing that makes even less sense is Cloud not remembering what happened to Sephiroth at the end of the Nibelheim incident when in the previous game he’s talking to Sephiroth and says “I killed you”. I guess that last part can be put down to Cloud recounting Zack’s memories, Zack never saw Cloud kill Sephiroth because he’d passed out.
SPOILER: I think I figured it out! Sephiroth, like the Gi, cannot go back to the lifestream, so his spirit wanders for eternity across multiple realities, and can only possess beings that have his cells. Obviously, he'd try to change fate in his favor aka black whispers. Aerith, I'm not sure because she died it's assumed she went to the lifestream, but she's Cetra not a normal person, so maybe the reason why her spirit constantly appears and aids Cloud is because, like Sephiroth and the Gi, she can't enter the lifestream. But she can control the lifestream! Being in control of it, she has the power to transfer consciousness of characters across multiple realities.
I think the Aerith Cloud saved in the alternate reality is the Aerith that dies in the church because the only Aerith that truly lives is the reality in which she and Cloud are unconscious and Zack is there. Before anyone starts jumping to conclusions, "But but Zack was at the church!" He made decisions creating alternate realities. There's only 1 reality in which the 3 actually are alive together. The Cloud and Aerith we saw in the church was the future of the reality in which Cloud saved Aerith. He got up from the wheelchair because a fight with Sephiroth would have resulted in injuries. I think the developers showed the reality with Aerith and Cloud in the wheelchair to try to confuse the gamers to think this is the reality with the church scene, but it's not. Remember, Zack told Aerith's mom to keep her in the house, and she remained around the house, but in the church scene Aerith and Cloud never see Marlene or her mom anywhere. Never bump into Zack. So I think the Zack reality and the church scene where Aerith gave the white materia to Cloud before dying are separate realities, and I think the church scene could be the reality in which Cloud saved her because at some point she was destined to die if she's awake.
Even Marlene said if Aerith wakes up she'll die and Cloud needs to get better to save her. Why? Because Cloud getting better and waking up first will create a new alternate reality, one in which he and Zack put an end to Sephiroth forever. The black materia can probably kill roaming spirits hence why the Gi want the black materia back. IF you notice at the end, Cloud imbues his sword with the black materia. Why not just put it back in his pocket? Because if his consciousness and the sword transfer to another reality, he'll be able to permanently finish off Sephiroth in all realities. Assuming that the sword imbued with black materia transfers too and can kill ghost Sephiroth. That Cloud at the end will be mind transferring in the next game because there was the crack in the sky meaning that reality was destined for destruction, but in that reality he still had the black materia. Other realities he gave it to Sephiroth, so it could be why that end scene was so important showing that he has the device that'll win the war. Also, going back to Zack's reality where Cloud and Aerith are unconscious, I bet when the reality we are following is destroyed, the Zack reality will be the one Cloud transitions to next and will be the finale.
Actually Sephiroth is part of the lifestream. It's only Gi who can't enter because they are not made by the planet.
Bro wrote an essay for such dog shit writing. No one reading that
@@agamersinsanitybut isn’t that the same for jenova?
There is a book that came out sometime ago that is offical, written by Nojima himself "on the way to a smile"
In it there are short stories called Lifestream Black and Lifestream White and they detail the struggle they have within the lifestream (this is right before Advent Children) Sephiroth cannot fully become one with it because of how altered he is by Jenova's cells, so as he grows angrier he begins inflicting Geo-stigma on the planet. Aerith CAN become one eith the Lifestream at any time, but she chooses not to in order to attempt to heal Sephiroth. She is also essentially the avatar of all the Cetra at this point as their last descendant.
Really interesting read and gives some decent clues about where things are heading
Bruh read on the way to a smile episode sephiroth, sephiroth already merged to the lifestream and corrupted 50% of it....
Most of your theory make sense but the sephiroth is like the gi tribe is wrong..... Again Sephiroth alredy merged to the lifestream however onky 50% of it were corrupted, and he wonders the multiverse to get the real black materia which is the key to merge all infinite multiverse and take all the lifestream in one fell swoop
As much as I love the story , I can also understand why someone would hate this. When you need to watch a video that explains the story , is when you know the story telling was too confusing and that I know we même on Nomura being the cause but for once, this feels more like kingdom hearts then ff7
I just hate that the characters don’t have a clear goal. Their only goal is to “stop sephiroth” but they already fight him twice and now atleast cloud should know that he exists outside of reality if you wanna call it that, but it’s not even really addressed. They have no plan at all, they aren’t even trying to make sense of anything. I kind hope part 3 atleast addresses this problem in the beginning. After everything that happened they should be going over everything and trying to come up with a plan to stop him instead of whatever they’re doing now.
@@daesong1378they are most likely saving it for the start of part 3. Because they were talking a lot about whispers and fate and stuff in rebirth. Which is what was happening at the end of remake
trash ending, fanfiction level of writing
I love how you spoke about all the changes! Thank you for this vid.
I really don't like the mulitverse crap. it's like running from making important decisions in the plot. like... just decide something. we will manage the outcome. when it's so open and it shows different timelines - it's just making every hard decision of the characters "less" important, which is sucks. makes us less care. because everything happens different in different timelines right.
the whispers thingie is also really - doesn't add anything to the story except cringe.
Again - thanks for your output! I loved it.
I wish they would have just stick to the original without making unecessary changes.
The more I think about and got now a day to dwell upon the ending, I feel like they made a very interesting, unique choice. Cloud is in denial of her death, and we'll get the funeral scene probably in the finale while Cloud remembers everything.
I've seen a comment joking about how Sephiroth remembers everything from when he was in Kingdom Hearts and Dissidia and is using this knowledge and power to fuck with the original world.
The commenter might've been joking, but it would unironically explain how Sephiroth has the knowledge and ability to manipulate these multiple timelines. Or at the very least, it would explain how he's aware of them.
Cool vid bro.😺
All I have to say is, fighting sephiroth this many times dilutes how powerful he seemed in the original. That's the main thing that kills it for me.
I literally finished the game thinking “am I just gonna whoop Sephiroth ass again every four years?”
I know why they had to do it because they need a boss and can’t have you finishing the game without a proper boss fight. Also know his “real” body is at the crater, but what even is a “real” body in a world with multiple time
Lines?
I have a feeling you'll only see his true Strength in a Optional Hyperboss Battle
Yeah i worried about it after remake and Yupp.. looks like it’s gonna the case. Sephiroth isn’t even cool anymore lol.. man has no life! Like leave me alone?..
Idk I finished remake excited for the future and I finished this one with a… meh?.. so we’re doing multiverses.. like dozens of them.. that’s… cool?… I guess.. not really.
💯 % bro. this is actually why im not interested in continuing to play this series. I adored the original, but really disliked how sephiroth was shown so early in remake. completly blew its load to early. They really messed up on story telling 101 which is how to build tension: DONT SHOW THE BADDDY TOO EARLY. this is especially true in horror movies. if you show the thing, it loses its power. im not sure why no reviews are pointing this out. super lame.
@@daesong1378 they can make a turk a boss fight or any other monster than Seph. Like I'm not even at full power and Seph is catching the beats. Makes him look weak.
Just beat the game and saved this video to make sure I remember/got all the changes that were made before making my own video. Great recap
Thanks for the vid, Any plans to cover Lords of the Fallen?
Throughout the game and its various time lines, we see multiple times there is a golden mist of light in one of the timelines. I believe it is shown once when Zack dodges the bullet, and when Cloud saves Aerith.
Even though multiple universes are irrelevant because they will destroyed by the lifestream, would it make sense if this golden mist lifestream is the “dream scenario” that either Cloud or future Aerith/past Aerith conjured to save the planet?
Aerith is praying for a way to save her friends when you approach her, maybe the lifestream teaches Cloud or Aerith which choices to make that were seen as a “mistake”? Like having Zack die and Aerith get impaled.
I also feel like this is likely, and that because Cloud has been touched by the golden mist, he can see that the current timeline is doomed to be destroyed via the crack in the sky. The others don’t know this danger is guaranteed, but now Cloud does, and his actions going forward are to prevent world destruction and close the crack in the sky and save the world with Aeriths help from the lifestream.
Thoughts?
EDIT : this would also explain why Zack and Aerith met Cloud in the pure white lifestream before battling against Sephiroth. The realm is called the “Edge of Creation” so maybe by introducing things into the edge of creation through multiverse travel, the characters have a chance to kill Sephiroth in the “Dream” timeline
People need to realize that none of the alternate timelines actually matter that much. People put so much blame on them as if they’re a huge part of the story, but they aren’t. As Sephiroth said, any alternate timelines created are doomed to fade away and fizzle out, no matter how resilient they are. The alternate timelines have only been used so far to 1. Establish Sephiroth’s motivation and 2. To absolutely destroy Cloud’s mind and any chance of him being able to mourn with his friends (he can’t relate to them because he truly believes Aerith is alive even though that Aerith’s timeline is doomed, and she KNOWS it, that’s why she says “goodbye”. The alternate timelines don’t play as huge of a role as everyone seems to think.
sephiroths goal is to combined all the timelines theres no way the alt tl arent important
@@abdullahhussein4252 did I ever once say that they weren’t important? 💀 all I said was that they aren’t AS important as people seem to believe they are.
The rainbow effect makes me laugh so hard because I get reminded of My Little Pony aside from the creation of multiple timelines reminding me of Undertale which also cracks me up.
@@KingdomKeyJT i know what your saying and im saying the timelines is what the main focus is about
If they don't matter much, I don't see why they were added to the story to begin with. It feels like unnecessary and pointless fluff if they won't matter. Why even have a tagline that's "Defy destiny" when you cannot change the things that matter?
I think a lot of people, righfully so, are confused by the ending and calling it crap. The problem is that it is intentionally missleading and not straight-forward so that we have something new to wait for. A straight remake in 3 parts would never work, so these changes are needed. Now i agree they are a bit too much at times, but taking a step back after finishing it i come to appreciate them, as the payoff will be there. Same thing happened with remake, as we had soo many questions, that rebirth answered and created even more that the next installment will answer and give a conclusion.
I think rebirth definitely created more questions than it answered. I guess the only real “answer” it gave was that there are multiple worlds or timelines. Aside from that, it didn’t seem like there was a big pay off the like how remake had. Which imo the big payoff in remake was when it was revealed what the whispers were and that you would be free from the shackles of fate after defeating them. Which is partially what makes rebirth disappointing, after that entire spiel about defeating the arbiters of fate, at the end up rebirth were pretty much in the exact same situation.
To make things worse, most of rebirth was a backstory exposé on characters, so there was little actual character development. For people who never played the original, maybe that’s okay, but for me I felt like I ended rebirth not much different than when I started.
I really hope they give us proper story pay off in part 3. Sapphire weapon getting its head blown off was one of my favorite scenes.
So here’s what’s kinda nuts, I believe cloud is the “convergence” point for the merging of realities that sephiroth wants. So when cloud sees Aerith at the end and talks to her, that’s because he technically has one foot in the reality where she is alive, and one where she is dead. Hence why Nanaki can just feel her presence, and cloud can actually interact with her. Also Aerith says to cloud “I’m going to I feel meteor” which is strange because the party at that time doesn’t know what meteor is because outside of strange visions of the rock they’ve never spoken any dialogue about it. So that Aerith is the one that has information of future events still. When cloud says “I’ll defeat sephiroth” Aerith has a brief pause before she turns around and says “you promise?”. I don’t know if that implies that she knows that is not what is going to happen to or what, but we know this fate can be potentially be changed.
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The story with the Gi are most interesting. Since its implied they once walked the planet and are now banished.
What if it's like a Terra and Gaia situation from FF9? Where the Gi people were the "Terrans" who failed to assimilate into Gaia and were banished. Their lifestream is shown to be red in color (although not sure if this is relevant at all).
It is a Terra Gaia reference exactly
Could be, the Weapons reminded me of Sin from X
I love that there is not only sooooooo much content added into this world that is totally optional (its really incredible to me that it makes the world so full of stories kind of like i imagined back when the original came out) but there is also a huge mystery added to such a classic story that really has me hooked. The middle parts of a multipart story are always gonna feel incomplete until the end is released, but i have high hopes for the ending. I want them to somehow create an ending that is complete and satisfying that i cant see coming. The odds may be slim but that would be incredible.
What Mystery? The devs already confirmed this trilogy leads directly into Advent Children, ergo the core-plot literally cannot change, and it was UNCHANGED in Rebirth despite force-ghosts appearance. Every plot-point from the OG was hit, plus extras to elaborate on them. Again, what mystery? Aerith is DEAD, Jim.
All these changes and multiple pathways just remind me of Bioshock Infinite's "constants and variables".
Anyway, I feel I'm in the minority when it comes to these games. I wanted a one-to-one remake of ff7, with subtle upgrades and changes. I never wanted what we actually got: a 3 part multiverse saga dipped heavily in convoluted plot twists and ideas.
But again, that's just me. If you enjoy it, awesome, good for you.
I don't think you're in that much of a minority. From what I've seen the whispers and multiverse stuff isn't well received and the only arguments I can see in support of the changes are "the original still exists" and "this makes it exciting for OG fans" when those arguments completely miss the reason why players wanted a remake in the first place.
I've yet to find opinions where people think the multiverse and whispers are great. So far I haven't found any. You might not be a minority
As someone who wanted to see a "what if" of what could happen if Aerith lives i'll try and give my 2 cents about everything.
I dont think you're in the minority at all not liking the whispers, even I dont like them much, at least not with the way its being executed. And i think a LOT of fans wanted just a 1 to 1 remake of the game. Which is actually what i think we're getting in the main timeline. I dont think the main universe is going to change things outside of just non-major plot points like we have seen so far with Rebirth/remake.
I think the plan with the multiverse stuff is mainly to give extra space for them to do side storytelling without it being intrusive to the main storyline. I think a lot of fans didnt like the idea of Aerith in the remake having knowledge of everything going on, so in rebirth they took that knowledge away until the end when she is about to die. They introduce Zack and allow space for newer players to get to know him before the big part 3 reveal about what really happened in Nibelheim. The fakeout save is them showing that the multiverse means nothing to the current timeline cause all the events need to happen for them to ultimately win in the end.
@@bloodtotemz8899That sounds awful. Granted every time I got to "play" as Zack I was bored and tried to remind him he is dead. Then there is THE scene which just left me unfufilled and stole the wind from my sails for the last boss fight. The last 10% of the story in Rebirth feels really pointless.
@@thorinhannahs4614 I think what part 3 ends up doing will ultimately determine how people feel about the trilogy. Right now, like at the end of remake, we dont know where things are going to ultimately finish so specualtions and theories are mostly going to be about what people want or hope for.
Personally, i think a good way to make the multiverse relevant but not take away from the OG while also allowing things to move into AC is to have Aerith and Zack survive in a single secondary universe. How the secondary universe is saved will come down to how part 3 plays out but i think this allows for the events of AC to still play out, since rebirth kind of shows that Aerith has some multiverse jumping powers like Sephiroth.
i think its fairer to say, how it changed everything, without actually changing anything. becase, at the end, this is still exactly what you would expect to happen by the end of "disc 1" in the og.
This my main issue with Rebirth to be honest. When they ended Remake with "The Unknown Journey Will Continue" I was surprised but kind of on-board. I had played the OG FF7 many times and was interested to see how this new story would play out ... but then it's just the exact same story with a lot of unnecessary stuff added on and seemingly convoluting the plot for no good reason. At this point I just wish they just had made faithful remake instead.
@@amysteriousviewer3772 i disagree that they are offering the same experience, but the route to get there is slightly diferent.
they are clearly delivering the ff7 story, they just want it so people who played the original can still feel the same way, by experiencing it in a diferent way.
22:58 was waiting for the Miguel o' Hara theme
YOU WERE NEVER SUPPOSED TO BE SPIDER-MAN
You pointed out the rainbow motif, but didn't show how clearly it was present in the split between Aerith with eyes open and eyes closed. The rainbow is clearly present every time Cloud is seeing her with eyes open. The rainbow is gone in the final scene, but it tracks that this is still the "version" of Aerith that was saved. Not just a spirit.
To be clear, I'm not sure whether Aerith will be saved overall. I imagine this will be teased out in the third game where they realize that combining all universes could result in an alive Aerith, but maybe it'll come with a catch that ends it once and for all. But I think this open ended multiverse stuff was their way to nudge the finality of what we've seen into the finale of the final game.
Agreed on the multiverse. Sort of hoping Sephiroth wins now and merges everything into one timeline. Lol.
I also agree. I don’t think she survives, in any timeline or perhaps maybe one. Rather she survives in a spiritual sense across all the timelines.
I think the split was Sephiroth being partially successful in merging the realities. Cloud knows he saved her. Everyone who saw that scene knows it too. But Sephiroth was able to merge the reality to the one where she died.
As for is she alive in an alternate timeline? I don’t know but I also don’t think so. She’s probably alive in some spiritual sense that allows her to jump realities and she probably brought Zack with her because they don’t belong to the living world anymore.
This would explain how Cloud is able to communicate with Aerith and Zack in AC. It also explains Clouds overwhelming extra guilt in AC. Because he knows he saved her and it still wasn’t enough.
im pretty much over with my "theory crafting era" so i appreciate that this is more so a straight forward recap with little to no theory crafting
in an alternate reality ffvi got the hd remake but they stay faithful to the story
the changes for rebirth are necessary and have proven themselves to be well-written and effective by this point tbh
@@jamilf9947how exactly are they well written?
@@jamilf9947No.
@@carbxncle because its the same story keeping us on the edge of our seats and speculating. it leaves room for many speculations on what will happen next. thats pretty good to be honest.
i am so glad i never played the og before so i can just enjoy the games. All the bitterness drives me insane.
If anything, Square will end up making fans hate the existence of Advent Children, a movie made back in 2005 because the movie clearly shows Aerith and Zack won't end up living in Cloud's world, regardless of how much the remake wants to tease us on the possibility of having them stay with Cloud after the events of the OG game.
Yeah Square is gaslighting us
Cloud being caught in between timelines could make for some really interesting moments in the finale. The fact that he can see things they others don't, is an interesting concept.
me before rebirth: I got this, I watched steins;gate 3 times, divergence convergence alpha world lines attractor fields and all that
me after rebirth: I don't got this
Zack “what in the hell is going on?!”
Me. “I feel you bro”
My internal dialogue after 130 hours of Rebirth: *your relationship with Zack has deepened*
The only gripe i have with the end is that the multiverse switches can be super confusing.
I would have loved a lil hint where the fuck i am right now and a lil slower pacing in the cutscenes. That switched so fast every time i was confused at the end for a while.
That's why I believe they used Stamp as a symbol for recognizing which one you're in. But yeah, it does get confusing, and to me even less satisfying knowing I'm playing a Cloud that may not even matter if his universe isn't the one that beats Sephiroth.
@@mn1215 i mean yeah. IF Stamp was there you could know.
But especially the end was wild. For a long time I thought Aerith was saved for the timeline. Then it went into the "Date" where whenever you wanted to pick something with stamp, they said nope. Doesnt exist here.
Then it went back to total apeshit with Zack where I still dont know if we saw 3 to 4 Zack timelines or just the 2nd.
Need to get that rollin a few times more but the whole quick cut thing was just a mess. For the time when Cloud did remember things or Sephi messed with him its okay. Thats cool.
But that end is just bamboozelin me.
Imagine missing the point this much. How much hand holding do you need?
@@BadButterfly65the design of stamp changes in each different timeline
@@ProfessorSpade sure it does. But tbh not everyone will notice that. Also that still does not change the fact, that the transitions from one timeline to another are so fast and gone again you cant really catch everything the 1st time through.
Watching this now only to forget it by the time it comes out on pc.
Seeing Glenn and Zach again was awesome both were goated
Thank you.
I liked Remake and a lot of the new scenes/characters they added, but I'm not on board with the whispers/fate changing stuff that's been added. The story on its own was already great enough, and it being told in its entirety along with new scenes adding more depth would have been perfect. I love Rebirth because it definitely rolled a lot more with the original story and added new background plots connected to the other games but christ please almighty, stop with the alternate timeline and destiny jargon because those two tropes are not needed in FF7 since the game has NEVER been about that. It stood on its own as a great story about three things; trauma, exploitation and mystery. Rebirth DOES have these three things, but the whole new alternate time line thing hurts the original story. Try to fix what isn't broken is going to damage it.
At lest the whispers served a purpose in Remake to show that this is a new story and fate can be "changed" after they get beaten but that makes it all pointless now that they're back in Rebirth and everything is playing out like it did before. They could've done so much more with much less instead of using ghosts and timelines that convolute the whole story.
Definitely agree. I appreciate it following the beats of the original story but I’m still just not on board with all the whispers/fate manipulation/multiple timelines elements. It’s all just weird and silly and it makes me feel like I’ve been eating mushrooms or on some acid trip or something.
Yeah the FF7 multiverse just doesn't sit well with me. I keep thinking that Aerith and Zack are just Donnie Darko the couple. We all know what has to happen and how it ends when you consider the story of Donnie Darko. Oh and that ending did not stick the landing. Completely took me out of my favorite FF7 moment.
This game does not feel like a final fantasy game to me, it feels like a cross between Yakuza, kingdom hearts and an open world ubisoft game. It would have been a better told story if they just stuck with the origional
Who says the wanted to fix it? They just tried something new. No one takes the OG game, plot and memories away from you. I am a huge Avatar fan and I disliked the new Netflix show. So what? I will always have the original. And if other people like the show, great.
The reason why you love the OG so much is because as a child we are open minded. We just start to experience everything for the first time ever. So it impresses us, stays with us. As adults we compare. We want that feeling back so badly. Instead of being open minded and welcoming we compare and complain.
I never played the OG and i'm so glad I didn't. I loved everything about the Remakes. Two of my all time favourite games.
I personally like the changes, it gives OG fans something new to question and theorize. I think it's unfortunate timelines/different worlds are such a big thing in media nowadays because to most people they look at something like this and probably switch off which is a shame.
Probably one of my favorite games in terms of pure content, for sure.
As an og fan, the only thing I'm theorizing about at this point is how the mighty have fallen 😅
Fr. It seems like anything with multiple timelines HAS to be trash nowadays, and everyone has to hate on it...
Yeah, let's not forget that FF VII is a franchise by itself with animes, movies, mangás, spin off games etc. So they had explore a lot of things to make this new story consistent
The problem is that Multiverse most of the time is executed in a terrible way, FF7R is one of them.
It would've been way better if they just did the original but adding more connections to the Compilation and maybe changing some story beats or playing around with new things(like Cloud getting in denial regarding Aerith's death for example, that is interesting, but they did it so badly and yet i feel more like that Aerith isn't just on Cloud's head at all), not only that but with Crisis Core Reunion they could've changed a lot of the original game's questionable decisions and improve characters like Angeal and Genesis, and with that, Remake would pretty much be perfect, the whole Whispers things is done in the worst way possible.
I mean as I've said elsewhere in the comments to each their own. I have no problem with the whispers but like... I get it. For sure.
I also love the idea that my favorite game of all time now has elements that make me question its future, whilst giving me areas and scenes mostly completely untouched in a way that's beautiful.
This game, through development of its characters through some of these additional plot points, got me more genuinely emotional at tines.
I just kinda wish purists could drop the title and give it a fair shot without looking at it in that way. But again, that's just me.
This game has been the best experience i ever had, the way it was so in depth and got crazier by the second was amazing and emotional at the same time, 10/10🔥
Yea its a enjoyable game. Some flaws here and there. As a game its a blast, as a reimagining of ff7 i have mixed feelings as some changes are very complicated
@@solidwisdom8749 well every game has its flaws but the story especially the end game of it all it’s portrayed and split up so well
@@reverselol6910 yea couldev been done a bit more better than in here. But again yea i agree game developers sometimes dont have the best script
We also now have the existence of inter dimensional travel, thanks to Gilgamesh.
theres 7 dog designs so there are 7 timelines
7 seconds till the end
Dog?
I like that the story isnt exactly the same as the original. It leaves room for people to be surprised and the people complaining about the multiverse or whatever it is like they know everything going on need to calm down. We literally dont know what is going to happen next.
i know what happens next ....swish cheese and spaghettification convoluted cognitive dissidence. its so obvious.
@@Seraphim190. to who because any normal person would admit they have no idea what's going to happen next
@@Seraphim190. well then would you mind telling me what happens next lmao bc im curious as shit and have no idea
The places they visited are in order compared to the og minus Rocket town, Mideel and Ancient excavation area. They also already said they'll be going further north when they flew off so well probably start in/near the snow town going to the crater. Not hard to predict since every major event is playing out as it did in og.
@@jackylinus5231 and I like that you could be completely wrong and that's ok. We really don't know anything especially since it seems like cloud is more under sephiroths control then the first game, and nothing we are seeing from his perspective could be real
This is a great summary but Id still think its worth mentioning Cloud recalling Zack at Nibelheim earlier, and him thinking he was in the place of the second Shinra grunt who fell off the bridge and likely died.
The Black Materia in the Temple wasn't the actual Black Materia. But as Sephiroth says, he needs it to summon the real Black Materia. So Aerith was correct. But by telling Cloud it's Fake, i believe she hoped he would leave it so it could be lost. Because without it Sephiroth can't summon the real deal. And Sephiroth does rely on Cloud to provide it. He can summon it, but he can't pick it up. He needs Cloud to give it to him. But now Cloud has it.
As for the rest of the story, some of these changes makes me wonder how the story plays out in the end. Zack tells Cloud to ''Save her'' after Sephiroth has already killed her. Wich i think does imply Aerith could still be saved in some way. I doubt Zack would have that line if she was totally dead. Again, Remake and Rebirth both make a point about defying fate. Aerith's whole arc in both games seems to be to defy fate. Aerith in Remake was aware of her death. In Rebirth however she's either been swapped, or her memories where whiped in the defying process... But she still ultimatly seems set on defying her fate. I mean, i'm not sure Aerith is the same troughout this game. There are times where she seems as blissfully ignorant as she first seems. But then there are times where she seems more aware. I'm wondering if Cloud somehow shifts trough the timelines in this story. I mean, we know he does at the end. So why not trough out the whole game?
Either way, i'm excited to see where the story goes. Wonder where the next game will pick up. I mean, we all knew Kalm would be the start of Rebirth. But Rebirth shakes so many things up, mostly with Cid, that i'm not sure. It may be that the game skips right up to the Frozen North at the start of the game. And then we go to Rocket Town. And i wonder how Wutai ends up playing into it all. One thing is for sure, we are getting two more continents for the sequel. Up North and Wutai. Wonder if they'll change the map layout of Rebirth any tho. I mean, we do know they are working on a fully playable Highwind. Wich would mean an entierly open world. Wich the Tiny Bronco kinda plays around with towards the end. And also, the Tiny Bronco is fixed at the end. So this time we're flying to with it. So will we just have access to flight from the start? And i wonder how they'll handle the submarine They'd have to expand the ocean a bit cuz as is, it's a bit small for what takes place under the sea.
As for the tittle of the third game... Final Fantasy VII Reunite? If they stick with the R_____ theme, then it could be. Crisis Core already used the Reunion name, wich was kinda silly as it would be the perfect tittle for the third one. But Zack does say at the very end, that it shoul be possible for worlds to Reunite again. FFVIIR has become something so much bigger. I both like it and am a bit overwhelmed by it. But i'm here for it.
Thank you for this! I want to play it but hearing it changes some serious events makes me wary.
It’s a sequel, so it’s gonna be a new story
The game has so many charming and whimsical moments that made me smile. The fact that this game received ZERO mixed and negative should be enough for anyone to knw abt the quality of the game. Even the rating in ps-store is ridiculously high rn.
The only change I did not like was the ending… feels like they really bitched it. Plus, every site I check for an explanation, including this video, seems to have a slightly different analysis of it, which I see as proof that it was not well executed.
@@XenoElitez It's nostalgia bait to cash-in! 💰💰💰
Everything leading up to the finale is a masterclass and worth 90$ alone. Don't let the ending sour your opinion on whether it's worth playing or not. The rest of the game is incredible
They have said the wutai stuff will all be in the 3rd game. Not sure what I think about Cid’s character yet he seems nicer than in the original suppose I’ll have to wait to see what he’s like in the 3rd game. I have a feeling Zack will join the party in some capacity in the 3rd game as well. I don’t mind the change at the moment and cant wait to see how the 3rd game brings everything together.
Currently, my prevailing theory is that the gambit with Aerith from the Doomed timeline handing Cloud a fully charged White Materia is to help empower the Rebirth timeline Aerith beyond the OG timeline counterpart. Even though Aerith may be physically gone, she has ascended into the Lifestream at a higher level than her OG self. Now she can manifest herself and exert her influence on a similar scale as Sephiroth, what with her own Whispers and all.
But personally, I consider this a damn cop-out. The writers wanted to show the fanservicey scenes like Cloud blocking that fateful blow and Zack and Cloud teaming up on Sephiroth without the guts to follow up with a brand new original plot stemming from the changes. I know they want to build up curiosity so that players would buy Part 3 but can you imagine the hype if they paid off all that talk about defying destiny and all those hints that this Rebirth timeline is secretly a second run for Cloud, Aerith and Sephiroth? Can you imagine the excitement for Part 3 if they showed Aerith unambiguously alive? Her death in the OG was so historic, you won't even have to work so hard at marketing if generations of players knows that she lives in this game. Such a shame...
Weapons are a red herring, no joke.
This is how they're going to handle the "huge materia" questline, now under the guise of the Magnus Materia. Much like the whispers could be metaphorically considered fans in Remake, a force desperately trying to keep everything the same as it was, Bugenhagen somewhat symbolizes the playerbase in this game. He instantly denies the party has seen Weapons and says he is old and set in his ways, but may need to open up to new possibilities.
So, while in the most technically sense the reactor whales may be "weapons", I think they will more be used as vessels of the Huge Materia and are a bit of a bait and switch for the weapons we remember from the OG which will still show up as we remember them in part 3
It would have been a better game if they dident do all of these weird kingdom hearts changes
@@joefloyd5766 wouldve been one of the first truly perfect games, absolute undeniable masterpieces, if they did.
the replies under your comment confirm what you said xD i love the changes cause playing the same game in pretty would be boring. i already own ff7 og and play it regulary. making the remkae a secret sequel is genius
That's fucking stupid.
You think SE would dedicate an entire game to say "FU" to their original audience? Quit huffing farts man, people (new and old) LOVE the games. They have aspects they don't like, sure, but thats every fandom in history. You only have to look at the games general reception to prove yourself wrong, and I reiterate you are goddamn stupid for perpetuating this garbage of "SE vs The Fans".
@joefloyd5766 I would probably agree but I can not deny that I am interested in seeing if they stick the landing in the final game.
I welcome any change to the story just to let Aerith and Zack live
That removes any consequence or meaning. Both characters have to die.
@@billybatts8283 they already died once, let it be it's someone elses turn this time
I hate to break it to you, but that ain't gonna happen. Aerith and Zack are both destined to their demises, if they live, it would ruin the impact and the message that the game conveys to us. In part 3, maybe there will be some scenes where they meet each other again in the lifestream, but in the main timeline, they are still dead
@@BosuaTFT well now I want it even more
@@billybatts8283I agree, they can come back temporarily but need to die to stabilize the merged universe
Gotta ask…you gonna do the metro series? That’s a legit story I think you would enjoy and analyze.
I would say that Genesis will probably have a huge impact pn the next game and maybe a DoC dlc. Zach is probably important and probably has a strong connection to the lifestream through connections between Sephiroth and Aerith. He will probably fight Genisis, main bad guy of CC and Cloud fight Sephoroth, main bad guy of Ff7.
I think we should wait until part 3 to answer all the mysteries
I love this game so much!!!
I finished OG FFVII three times. I’m going to finish Remake and Rebirth again while waiting for the 3rd game.
Love the world created in Rebirth. The work SE had done in each town is impressive. VA is great. Gameplay is solid.
I’m ok with them changing the story. The major events still happened. The new stuff in the story keeps me interested although I don’t mind if the game is just a graphical update of the old game with nothing new.
As much as I literally felt the guiding hands of Kingdom Hearts 2 for the ending sequence of Rebirth I like how Sephiroth 's goal evolves to what seems to be a multiversal version of Human Instrumentality
You have to admire their creativity for adding so much to pad out a story and take our money by at this point what will likely be 8 games. That, and adding in Sephiroth to what would have been the first 3 hours of the game instead stretched out to 8 because they realized his absence would effect sales.
I feel sympathy for the ones who got these dud games. The scary thing is some people actually like the whole convoluted retcon mish-mash multiverse "sequel" cultural vandalism that SE have shat out! Line up for part 3 in 2027 sheeple! 💰💰💰
@@mikespearwood3914 multiverse is such dog shit writing.
I don't think Aerith "died" per se, i think Cloud actually managed to save her, but simce there is the intervention of the whispers, she got banished to a parallel plane of existence, this because if you notice, when Cid fixes the plane, the wind actually affects her, so i think it's more of a penalization from the whispers to Cloud and Aerith, since she is not supposed to be alive, another hint to this is when she touched Nanaki and he felt her.
That plane is kinda a bad example everyone Else has a reaction to it but she doesn't even recognize it and turns way later. You might have some points but I'm thinking you're reading too much into it
@@thebrigade7684what do you mean? The wind blows in her clothes...and she doesn't "vanish" after they are gone, she leaves walking...like she is alive, i don't know, i think to the final game will be about all worlds merging and Aerith will reappear in the main timeline, i mean, in one world, Barrett, Tifa and Nanaki bites the dust...
She did die but also survived. Lol.
I think Cloud did save her, but Sephiroth was partially successful in merging some parts of the timeline.
This is why even Cloud was surprised when she fell over because he knows he saved her.
All of this is leading into AC.
Aerith and Zack will remain in, what we can call Limbo for now. Which is how Zack and Aerith are able to travel across universes.
This explains why Cloud’s guilt is so extra in AC, because he knows he saved her but still failed. It also explains why Aerith and Zack are able to communicate with Cloud in AC.
I don’t think she’s alive anymore. At least not like the rest of the cast. She’s not alive but not dead. Best way to explain that is, she’s like Qui Gon Jinn, physically dead but alive in a spiritual sense.
More and more, it’s tying into AC.
We even see Cloud absorb the black materia into the Buster Sword at the end of Rebirth the same way Kadaj absorbs materia into his arm in AC.
They’ve also introduced Deep Ground, Nero, and Weiss in Remake which will tie into DoC.
The ending is not so bad if you really understand it, like it or not its multiverse now, they broke the fate in the end of Remake remember? so now decisions can create new timeline and new worlds, there is a timeline where Arieth lives Cloud blocked the killing blow, and there is the OG timeline where Arieth is apparently dead, just like the Loki TV show, there is a sacred timeline, which is the OG timeline here, Sephiroth is trying to consolidate all of the timelines into one sacred timeline and rule it, and this timeline is close to the OG one.
BY doing this you can say developer undermined the devastating impact of Arieth's death or you can say they echoed many fans requests and left us a glimpse of hope.
BTW its still quite emotional to go on a date with Arieth and witness her inevitable demise later on in that timeline and her OG timeline, but we were left with Hope, I couldn't describe the feeling when I saw Arieth joined Cloud's final fight with Sephiroth, but its impactful.
My only gripe with Rebirth is simply the lack of subtlety in the story sometimes. There are parts where things could've been hinted at, instead of outright stated. One example is, after Cloud gives his recount of the Nibelheim incident, a couple minutes later Tifa turns to Aerith and says "Oh, Cloud wasn't in Nibelheim as far as I remember". As a new player to the series you might start questioning who's recounting is actually correct between Cloud and Tifa but for OG players (at least in my opinion) it feels very much like "WINK WINK FORESHADOWING". I must say PERSONALLY, I would've preferred changes like these didn't happen and in this instance particularly, whether that meant Tifa kept her mouth shut until the reveal or some other form of questioning Cloud but ultimately going along with him to gauge wtf is wrong with him would've been a better choice.
There are more examples, but I finished the game literally today so I can't really remember all the examples but I do remember complaining about this exact thing with my brother multiple times.
Game of the Year though, also go play Final Fantasy 16. It's really good.
Zack and Biggs were done so dirty in this game, made them seem so important for almost the entirety of the game only to not answer what their purpose is and have Biggs die again at the end. And don’t get me started on Aerith, instead of feeling for her during her moment at the end you’re left with brainstorming what the hell is happening, eliminating any emotion the audience should have felt.……..Incredible fail
Yeah I have very little problems with the story up until the ending for 2 hours straight this is straight up a fumble of the decade so far
Change "you're" to I'm"
Yeah I was left like " so she's dead?.. she's not dead?.. oh she is? "Wtf is going on" 😂
You problem, i still felt the emotions and now doing theories is so fun sorry that you cant enjoy anything in your life byee
@@xshii_0033fanboys like you are the absolute worst.
Oh joy. Nomura is doing more timeline fuckery. Im really happy this is the game we got instead of something more faithful to the original /s.
Is that supposed to be sarcasm as in, you actually dislike the story changes just like how they did it with FF7 Remake?
@@mariosonic987pac-hero4 /s means sarcasm intended on the internet
I see. I have a hard time telling if it is sarcasm or not. Because if you actually dislike the story changes, I can relate to that. I too am not a fan of the story changes and especially if this is what they're continuing to do in this "remake" of FF7.
@@mariosonic987pac-hero4They took the term "remake" too literally. I honestly hate this idea that a 'remake' is this chance that you have at messing everything up by creating a completely different story, instead of making changes that would FIX the original story that was written. (Meaning no dumb new characters, no failed attempts at humour, no overblown comedic scenes, no more making areas bigger than they used to, no contradicting what the source material said, ENOUGH mini-games ffs, and definitely no more Spin-Offs cause to hell with them. They're the antichrist of FF7, I swear.)
On a less-important-but-not-so-much note, the soundtrack in this game fails HARD, aside from maybe 3-4 themes. Too orchestral and mighty/grandiose for my tastes. They all feel the same, and there are no truly unique themes that stand out to me. A lot of the time, they don't even seem to fit the atmosphere or the situation you're in.
Nomura didn't write the story tho. As far as I know the OG writers also wrote this story.
I'm thinking that Cloud by the end of Rebirth has one foot in an "Aerith Lives" universe with a tear in the sky and one foot in the mainline universe that we've been playing through and the rest of the party is seeing.
I think the multiple worlds play into the psychology of the player. One of the big things with the original 7 was talking about death. Especially how it can happen suddenly without much fanfare. Aerith didn't sacrifice herself but was killed in the middle of an action. It was a sudden and shocking moment.
So far, the Remake games focus on the feelings of regret that come after. The question, "What would I have done differently?"
Anyone who pkayed the original knew what was coming. Kept intact, it wouldn't have had the same impact anyway. It also would have been somewhat anticlimactic after Remake.
Ultimately, I think that the idea they're going for this time is that, no matter how much you want, you cannot change the past. It's why, despite the deviations, the overall narrative remains intact.
It's kind of an interesting direction since Final Fantasy games have almost always been about defying and creating your own fate.
I have no doubts that when the credits roll in Part 3 it will leave the characters in the same place they were in by the end of the original game.
Finally. Thank you. My all time favorite game.
I'm ok with them taking different turns, but I do hope that the direction they are hinting to is that the reunion will merge all the worlds, and it will once again be 1:1 with the original game and really hit the nostalgia homerun. All the deviation it took will come to a head. I REALLY hope they do that, and not keep it so strange as it is currently.
That would be awesome, but I sure lack the imagination needed to figure out how they could possibly pull that off.
When Cloud is talking to Aeirth it seems he is talking to the Aeirth that lived. In that timeline she stayed in the temple to keep praying. Having no need to leave the temple and keep praying.
Now that we saw nero they gotta bring chaos/Vincent and omega as well as deep ground in part 3 since the storyline is changing completely
Though i love how they added stuff, or give space for more exploration of characters in part 3, i find it somewhat.. troublesome as in how they gonna wrap it up. If all merge back to a single timeline where aeris is gone, its true to its FF7 story, but i think many if not everyone always felt they 'could' have saved aeris. In a way it gives quite the vibes of FF13 and those alternate endings, but more written as a plot rather then possible endings. Sadly, still a long way to wait before part 3 comes :(
They already confirmed that the story will end basically the same way, the ending of Part 3 connecting directly with Advent Children.
The only thing they are adding is "Aerith lived in other timelines", that's it.
It makes sense they would leave it open so expectations to part 3 still includes the mystery of Aerith's overall fate, but tbh not bringing her back to life in pt 3 would be such a let down after all this buildup.
@@lucaslugarinho6634I think if they do bring her back it will be by the alternate timelines being saved and her surviving in one of those. Ultimately her fate in the "main" timeline will always be her death.
@@Jose-se9puthis is a huge spoiler where did they confiremd that? Or this is just another troll comment to protect the OG story
Story is leading into Advent Children, confirmed by the devs, so the core plot remains the same.
There's no saving Aerith here, any suggestion to the contrary is just copium.
so this one makes it the
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God tier game. Loved every minute. Final two chapters blew my mind
It would be really cool to hear your thoughts on the Darksiders series.
i really hope they will choose a storypath which will lead to aerith being playbale in the third game, i really dont wanna miss out on that
Aerith lives DLC at 39.99$
@@xptv11 HA!! You just summed up this nostalgia bait cultural vandalism/diarrhea cash-in nonsense. So relieved I never purchased a PS4 or PS5 to play these incredibly lame letdowns.
I really want her to be dead. That was a strength FF7 had; an important party member dies no take backsies. It also frees up a spot so we are net +1 in the party department as Vincent and Cid are going to be playable in Reunion.
Retcons everywhere
That is Sephiroth goal so yeah.
@@reniorjd pffft! Utter nonsense and nostalgia bait cash-in cultural vandalism.
Man I’ve saved this video so two weeks ago to the point I had to block the page so TH-cam could stop recommending me this till I beat the game finally did it damn job and life lol but I’m glad I can finally watch this
Well, I wouldn’t say these were “timelines” per se. From what I understand, Sephiroth described them as “worlds”, you could say these are pockets of memories within the Lifestream. When Sephiroth and Cloud duked it out in Remake, it made the shift happen.
Fate that was meant to happen like Zack’s final moments was changed immediately. It cause Zack to wander around in his memory world freely, but the consequence of every single world is that they’re on limited time before it’s all gone by the cracks in the sky. Also miraculously, Biggs somehow ended up on Zack’s memory world when he shouldn’t. The memory world was meant to be on rails up to their death but as I said, it was now broken and now everything is about to be broken too.
But for Biggs’ fate, there had to be a purpose for him being there at all instead of being one with the Lifestream. It could be him showing up would allow Zack to think of what to do in this weird situation, going through his options and ended up creating branching worlds of his “Terrier” World that may or may not be immediately destroyed in a blink of an eye. It was until he found himself helping out Cloud fight against Sephiroth through his own dreams, finally grasping on the concept of these worlds in his own optimistic way and doing things in his own terms.
Now as for Cloud, for the way he’s experiencing all of this from what Sephiroth is showing him is also a representation of his own mind breaking further and further into his own madness and trauma. Creating an image of Aerith that Sephiroth or JENOVA could exploit on him. He’s witnessing whole worlds colliding against each other, hearing screams of people as they become one in the Lifestream as this goes on in his mind. As well, his own world doesn’t have a crack in the sky but only HE could see it and the craziest thing is, it shows up in OG FF7 in his Lifestream Sequence, that crack showing just how close he is to finally losing it and his world; his memories colliding and become nothing itself just like the Lifestream, which is what Sephiroth wants.
who honestly thought the "aerith date" was a dream sequence. it was Obviously another timeline. multiple timelines was established in Remake