Is suffering needed to change?

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  • @Archie1981
    @Archie1981 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    We are fortunate to have krishnamurti's teaching.
    It's a key to a peaceful life without any conflict. I LOVE IT

    • @Sifat-y9t
      @Sifat-y9t 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Has his ways been applied? What's the result if you may know?

  • @mirailieva8849
    @mirailieva8849 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Yes. The machinery to register psychological reactions is set going only when you are inattentive, when you have complete attention psychological reactions are not registered. When you are caught off guard is when the psychological scarring occurs.
    Wild animals do not register psychological reactions as they are in a state of attention. In stark contrast domestic animals and humans register psychological reactions because they are not in alignment with nature (inattentive).

    • @mirailieva8849
      @mirailieva8849 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      “In that attention there is no reception.” Yes. When there is complete attention, psychological wounding cannot occur.

    • @mirailieva8849
      @mirailieva8849 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Correct. Only when the brain is not functioning properly, it can get hurt psychologically. If a brain is fully living it is impossible to get hurt psychologically.

    • @upadhyayameet6530
      @upadhyayameet6530 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The psychological reaction is what we design and plan to be registered. That is my image to myself and for others. How can I bring or attain that level of attention where I can selectively design the whole regestration process of the machine that is free from the image of me?
      I am afraid to admit that it can be the sign of insensitivity.

    • @mirailieva8849
      @mirailieva8849 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@upadhyayameet6530 , a healthy brain in alignment with nature is impervious to psychological injury. The healthy fully alive brain that works at full capacity is fully functional and thus has full attention and thus will not register a psychological reaction. This is how wild animals are. They record the event that happened but the psychological reaction associated with the event is not recorded. A wild lion records that he fought with another lion but is not psychologically injured by the fight, even though he might have incurred physical injury.
      In stark contrast humans, domestic animals, caged animals, and similar who are not fully in alignment with nature will record both the event and the psychological reaction produced by the event. Their brain gets injured, some more than others depending how healthy (functional = attentive) the brain is.
      Ideally no psychological reaction should EVER be registered. If your brain has registered any psychological reaction it is not free anymore, it is biased, injured and damaged.
      Recording of psychological reactions does not happen in the natural world, it happens only in the artificial man made world. The more artificial (UNnatural) your life is, the more psychologically you get damaged.

    • @Sifat-y9t
      @Sifat-y9t 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      But Attention Requires Interest. For example if One loves to play Badminton or Cricket then he can be Attentive very easily but no one has interest over his insult or many more other things.
      And is it Possible even being attentive all the rest of the Time in a Day?

  • @macdougdoug
    @macdougdoug 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The answer is still yes - even though there is nothing magical or transformative about suffering, if there is no suffering, there is no need to change.

    • @Sifat-y9t
      @Sifat-y9t 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Some say, You can Change in order to Grow. That is more like a willing state not a forceful state.

    • @alinstancu8091
      @alinstancu8091 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No, it makes you more profound, if you wanna be a poet or something, but not a better human. It makes you isolate, skeptical and so on. From that state you choose to reflect and if you do it good you can make yourself a better human but suffering in itself can't make you, reflecting in silence and attention yes, and that's the opposite of suffering

    • @macdougdoug
      @macdougdoug 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Sifat-y9t In Krishnamurtiland, if I want to become x, x is still the result of a confused me.

    • @Sifat-y9t
      @Sifat-y9t 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      But the Me is Natural isn't it? Almost the Al human Beings have this Me only Those are not Human The animal kingdom they don't have the sense of Me.
      I have watched. When i turn out word, Me comes automatically naturally in the case when I go inward there i don't find the I. Even K also can't even speak without the identification of i or Me if you have noticed.
      it is Like two different world are functioning in two different ways of this Human entity.
      Then I have realised In order to survive in this World the Outward Me is Necessary. Othe wise how the all work would have been done?
      How do you defferenciate your work from others if there is no You?
      Please help me to Understand How Krishnamurti words are applicable in day to day life practically if it can

    • @Sifat-y9t
      @Sifat-y9t 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Another Point is. If I accept religion then all these goes to veil.
      Therefore why Religion is propaganda?
      K says he didn't even read those religious text and he sums up the whole equation? is it fair?
      A large number of people accept and reject Religion through the sacred books the religion has.
      How Religion is a Propaganda? And in this Whole World this large amount of People didn't Understand this? Why?