Primaries and Caucuses: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
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- Primaries and caucuses are a surprisingly undemocratic part of the democratic process. John Oliver discusses our convoluted system for choosing presidential nominees.
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Who's here after the 2020 Iowa clusterfuck?
yooooo
👋🏼
I was recommended this after googling that.
I for one was there for all of it. It was my first caucus ever (I’m 19). And I, along with the other 164 people in my precinct spent the entire time marveling at how fucking stupid the caucus system is.
It was my first Caucus and it was ridiculously confusing and skewed. Why only have it on one day at one specific time? Why wasnt the importance of delegate explained better? I had to do this on my lunch break, most of the people that would have voted for my candidate were working at 7pm. Biden supporters were more elderly types I noticed, they weren't working evening shifts so they were well represented. Why do they have us all herded like cattle in a gymnasium and yelling and carrying on? Why couldn't we walk in at anytime during that day and push a button in a booth and grab a sticker saying "I Caucused for so and so" and then go about our day? Why did the DNC choose a tech software company called "Shadow Inc" to make this app? Have they never seen a Bond movie? All very confusing and maybe that's the point. George Carlin was right, this country was bought and paid for a long time ago by the 1% and we only have the illusion of control.
Voting Americans: It can't get any worse.
Iowa 2020: Hold my beer.
Hold my corn.
Wisconsin 2020: Hold my beer.
Context please
@@nerobsc7597 - Privately-funded app used to count votes on people's phones
- Took an ungodly long time to """finish"""" counting
- Bernie campaign's own internal polls, which was cross-checked amongst campaign workers in different Iowan voting places were showing statistical anomalies with the officially released results by the Iowa Democrats
@@him12672 as soon as it has "privately funded" in its description it is bound to fail in kontext of public matter...
I'm a Bernie supporter but I like you John. I know Bernie probably won't win but I'm still gonna vote for him and hope.
+Christian Schoff
Never Clinton.
+Christian Schoff I think by just being in this election Bernie has done so much more for the average Americans than Hillary Clinton would ever do. Both Maine and Vermont are getting rid of super delegates, Obama is considering voter holiday, big cities are adopting $15 minimum wage and other progressives are getting noticed.
Winning or not, I'm glad that he ran, and I plan on donating to him more before the primaries are over.
Primaries: Yes
The more votes/stronger the message
General: No (as in, don't write him in as it won't count)
I'm voting Green/Stein
sleepingpetal Me too.
+Christian Schoff bernie or burst, dolan for persiden
This has aged interestingly.
Dodger Kerensky agreed lol
@ThatOneGirl Now wait a minute....
Something does not add up here.
Indeed...I have a feeling politifact will spin something to explain the Des Moines Register Poll being cancelled after Pete complained last Saturday. And they will definitely have another reasonable explanation for why his campaign and the Iowa DNC gave butt loads of money to Shadow, the company that made the app for the Iowa caucuses, & it won't be weird at all that one of his campaign advisors is married to the person who talked the DNC into using this app. Nothing to see here 🤷♀️
Even more interestingly today
Yeah it has.
British Milhouse perfectly described the 2020 Iowa Caucus 3 years ago.
@Toori Baba Since Biden is non existent it looks like Bernie is going strong.
@Toori Baba I hope Bernie just spites them and still runs if they screw him over again.
@@Bladeofwar94 god the last 3 weeks were a shitstorm
@@gggremlin Yea the DNC pretty much wants the left to elect a Regan in his 2nd term.
as a Canadian I thing your election is like watching a kitten wander on to a freeway
this is fucking amazing im dead
As an American, I think not being able to vote for your prime minister is pretty crappy.
Emily Hoffe why would u just watch the kitten! Save them!
@@courtculver7907 As a Canadian I'd like to point out that, based on the actual NUMBER of votes, you didn't vote for your President either. Hillary had 3 million more votes than the orange idiot, but thanks to your broken electoral system, she still lost.
What does that mean? Well it means all votes aren't equal, thus all VOTERS aren't equal, thus some of you are more valuable than others. Have fun with that shit.
It’s your turn now Canada
I'm a Bernie supporter but won't insult John Oliver because he's one of the few people in the media who was neutral and unbiased about the whole thing.
The media is corrupt and should be called out if we ever want to fix this system.
THANK YOU
+Ruth Cuadrado "John Oliver because he's one of the few people in the media who was neutral and unbiased about the whole thing." What are you smoking?
John Oliver is anything from unbiased he is a total liberal
+Carsen Gobber He calls out both parties on their bullshit, despite his own personal views. That's more than can be said about any other media outlet
Peachy Player exactly
This is still so relevant... John Oliver still looks like a British Milhouse.
And the whole "angri Bernie Bros" narrative
My favorite one was “a near-sighted parrot who works at a bank.”
As a Canadian, this whole Presidential election is like watching a car crash in slow motion.
Unfortunately, I got a front row seat to this asinine circus show. And the worst part is that I might be asked to be a volunteer. 😓
As an Italian, I can say that we already had Trump-like Berlusconi. It's sort of American remake of our mess.
I don't want to be overly pessimistic, but when Hitler got elected, people elected him for the same reasons as they elect Trump today. I doubt that Trump will start a war or persecute minorites like Hitler, but it's still a bit scary to see how far he has come.
+AC-Wesley your maple syrup won't protect you.
hillary will come for it.
all of it.
and ze hockey ay
+AC-Wesley I live in Russia and it's so fun to see our state media picking up on this. It goes like "Americans say that we are undemocratic, but these hypocrites don't have democracy for themselves"
Today's gathering of Our Lady of Perpetual Exemption was very lovely. I'll see you all next week. Praise Be!
Praise Be!
+PlamenDrop he's off next week , so probably the week after :P
Praise be, brothers and sisters. Praise be.
+PlamenDrop Praaaiiiisssseeee bee!
dino bull Exemption is always in session
No primaries. No Electoral College. Just one vote for every eligible voter, using a Rank Choice Voting system.
Beta Not just in the US, every other country also
@@eliasstenman3710 I agree, Elias. No government should "regulate" the way we elect our officials. One person. One vote, directly for the official.
Yes
Oh but then all the Trumpski's will yell about how it's "majority rule" and how evil that is... Missing the point that that is kind of the whole point of democracy. You do the thing that most people want, not the thing the least people want. 🤷🏻♀️
@@TheMrVengeance LOL
What an interesting video to recommend to me on the day after the Iowa caucus
Same
Nothing like TH-cam suggestions to stick the knife in
@Toori Baba What the? He practically won all three previous primaries (being effectively on the same level with Buttigieg in the first one). How did they screw him, or is it already sacrilege when he does not win in a landslide? Isn't it rather funny how Bernie only joins the Democrats when they are of use for him, joining, leaving and joining again four years later. Hey, I'm a fan but I find that behavior to use them as a tool a bit respectless.
@@SamWinchester000 now they did
@@elhombredeoro955 It's sad and I found it very unfair from Buttigieg and Klobuchar to change sides only hours before Super Tuesday. As a German I want to see Bernie win and implement things my party (the Social Democratic Party of Germany) and other European parties have been implementing the last 100 years, but if the Democratic population of America does not want to choose him like they didn't want in 2016, even after knowing how fatal the selection of Clinton had been to progressive and young voters, that is their decision. There might have been unfair barriers for Bernie in 2016, but looking at the numbers he would never have had a realistic chance to win the nomination, I thought 4 years of Trump would have changed that with Democratic voters, but they still seem to be too afraid to choose real change over "bipartisan electibility".
British Milhouse? That's funny on so many levels 😂
+The Outsider I'd say only on one. :-P
+The Outsider How many levels are we talking here?
+The Outsider "Harry Potter reflection on the doorknob" is still better! :D
So is British Milhouse a meme?
Paulhorne Schillings ???
It's really true when people win, their attitudes on issues change. Donald Trump tweeted in 2012 about how the Electoral College was a broken system, and then a week after his victory in the election in 2016, he tweeted about how clever the system actually was.
Yeah, presidential candidates often say anything if it benefits them or hurts their opponents
That's because Trump never knows what he's talking about
The MEGA Couple Black Star & Silver Moon I know. I seriously worry about the damage Trump could cause if he gets re-elected. I don’t think it would be permanent, as America has survived worse, but I might look back on this comment in 3 years wishing that were true.
@@thegreatkingofevilganondor1500 you guys will be fine with him for another 4 years. Hes doing great actually
@@Buckers1313 what he doing great? Give me one example. And don't say unemployment because he did nothing for that. I see people saying he doing amazing but no one can tell me real change he did.
I love John Oliver's sense of humour towards himself.
same
Watching this during Iowa caucus 2020.....you don't even know John. You dont even know..
It's a good thing John didn't make it to 2020 to see this mess we're in now.
@@Ole_Rasmussen - Er... what are you talking about? John isn't dead. And Last Week Tonight is starting the new season next week. So... what?
@Toori Baba - Your KGB handler would be so disappointed with your lack of English language ability. Go ask them for more lessons, Russian troll.
@Toori Baba mfw I my Hindi is worse than my english
Watching this after the election in 2020.....you don't even know. You dont even know..
Oh look, it's british Milhouse.
+SirSaladhead With tiny spider fingers.
+SirSaladhead At least he saw that one coming
+SirSaladhead He looks like someone who says his parents are his best friends, who is also an orphan.
+SirSaladhead I thought he looks more like an angry tucan
+SirSaladhead let's face it... he is a ratfaced bastard :D
This is why I believe in a no party system. As Abraham Lincoln said, "A house divided against itself cannot stand."
Those words hold more truth than just in that relative context.
I see what you're saying but no matter what people are going to disagree with what is happening. The two parties represent two of the ideologies in the country, which would make it very hard for everyone to speak as one single entity in complete agreement
+Nicklas Kent If we had approval voting we wouldn't have parties as we know them today.
+LegendOfBrendan Two parties basically means the dictatorship of the majority and is the reason US politics is so polarized and often fucking stupid. You'd feel completely powerless if you don't have anyone to vote for.
+Currahee Stand Alone Canada also use a different system of government than we do.
Thank you British Millhouse!
Thank you the British friend of Bart
"Angry Toucan funded by Shillery" goes on to play Zazu in Lion King. Coincidence? I think not.
ooooooo
Not so subtle foreshadowing.
*ding* [sin count +1]
easter egg
Surely you know he already played Zazu in the animated Lion King, right?
You do know that's Rowan Atkinson right?
Americans don't have the right to criticize other countries' government system
+Jyunkai technically we do, freedom of speech and that, but yea...
Ironic isn't it?
+Jyunkai Sure they do.
+Jyunkai If anything Americans need to envy them.
+bob vella shut the fuck up
:)
John, you didn't mention that of the disenfranchised, 64 were Bernie supporters and 8 were Clinton supporters. This disparity decided Clinton the winner; I'd have expected better research from LWT. Bernie supporters were not unwarranted in their outrage.
+UnconventionaI The 58 of the 64 Bernie supporters didn't even show up, all 8 Clinton supporters did. This is why Bernie's supporters tried to stall.
+Linnsey Miller Nil I disagree, but either way he should be covering that, not glossing over it
+UnconventionaI They should have known the rules and registered earlier.
yes you are. that 'disenfranchisement' is self inflicted. we are voting for the nominee for the Democratic party. if you want to participate be part of the party and put some skin in the game.
+Linnsey Miller Nil Can you cite that? If that's true I'd like to know.
Oh look, it's British Milhouse.
Say NO to Drugs dude.
Best comment
He looks like someone who says my parents are my best friends but who's also an orphan
Ba dum dum PSSSH 🥁
Did someone just Benjamin Button Henry Kissinger?
Anyone here in 2020 watching it all go down again?
Actually I'm watching in 2024, you'd be surprised the absolute trainwreck we got this time around.
Sarah Hunter nah. Biden is winning in blowouts
Poor Bernie
did bernie actually win the popular vote in the dnc primary this time tho? because it sure as fuq was not biden
@@xymaryai8283 eh bernie was too extreme for people i think
Long story short, this presidential election is just a massive clusterfuck
Like all presidential elections.
+999MonsterJam really? all?
+999MonsterJam Nope. Most Presidential elections are clusterfucks, but I not like this. This is like a mega-clusterfuck-hypernova
+999MonsterJam like all presidential candidates
+999MonsterJam don't worry. we will fix it next time.
CGP Grey has done a lot of great videos on the democratic process. Easily recommended.
yes
+Malicious Hero
CGP Grey, not CPG Grey.
Absolutely. If it wasn't for CGP Grey, I would have no clue the Electoral College was so messed up, or how it works for that matter.
Both his videos and how my country (New Zealand) works, makes me so grateful I live where I do and not in the United States.
+Malicious Hero I would vote for CGP Grey to be president.
+Matt Murray hahha maybe he can explain it all once again on HI, hint, hint
Strap in, kids. 2016 2: electric boogaloo coming up
yup, already happened
they're literally flipping coins to give Pete unearned delegates
fuck the DNC
@@BigT.Larrity Republicans known as Establishment Democrats really fist fucked Democracy in Iowa to force Veteran Baby Mayo on us. Whatever it takes to blackball Bernie Sanders, there's no low too low, no line they won't poll vault across
DNC is still a mess, Bernie still getting fucked by pro corporate democrats. Has anything changed?
@Toori Baba Still the most unpopular president in modern American history, was impeached for high crimes, had more than half the country calling for his removal from office, and bears the honor of being the first president to have a member of his own party vote to remove him from office.
Trump train a chugging!
Right off a cliff into a festering cesspool, or the brain tissue of the average Trump voter. Both are equally contaminated with filth
@Toori Baba Uh, he lost the popular vote to Hillary by over 2.92 million during an election year with near record low turnout, neither candidate was popular but by definition he was much less so (or do you believe his debunked nonsense about 3 million undocumented immigrants voting exclusively for her lmao). It's only because of the notoriously Republican biased electoral college that he was able to circumvent the will of the people (and you know full well that if it was the other way around, and he won the popular vote but she still became president that you'd be raging against that archaic biased system too, don't even try to deny it.
Y'all really need to get over your Hillary derangement syndrome, yes she's a cunt but you can't blame her for all of Trump's faults, those are his (and yours) to own.
Whew, glad we got it figured out since this was posted.
Not so fast...
@@mgmthegrand r/woosh
John Oliver definitely called it about the TH-cam comments...
I'm a Bernie voter and I am ashamed of the Bernie or Bust movement.
+Brandon Pennington Then you don't understand the purpose. The nation has switched left since the last election as seen by the expansion of the blue wall. If Hillary is the nominee and everyone who leans left votes for her, than she will win by a landslide. If we agree to unite behind the nominee then the DNC can stick their fingers in their ears and force through a crap candidate who supports their interests. This system is an affront to democracy, we are basically picking the president though the nomination, if the DNC controls the nomination (which they do because it's private not public) then they control the presidency.
The only way to fight this is to disregard party lines and vote for who you think is best. I'm not saying that I have the guts to vote Trump and potentially destroy the nation, but that is the rationale.
+Brandon Pennington *"I'm a Bernie voter and I am ashamed of the Bernie or Bust movement."*
What exactly makes you ashamed? Do you regret that there are people who have decided not to support Clinton should Sanders not win the nomination? Perhaps the reports you've heard of violence in Nevada convinced you that everyone in the "Bernie or Bust movement" are reprobates? I'm genuinely curious as to why you feel this way.
+Vanessa Walsh Absolutely right.
+Brandon Pennington Same.
And USA says it's the example of the free world...
+Guz Man If this is what we're spreading, everyone's in trouble, but we knew that already.
+Guz Man "Free World" in the making. It's not quite finished yet. We can fix this, we're America.
+Guz Man Yep. Telling the whole world, "Be like us," when we clearly don't have our shit together. There has to come a point when we realize we don't have the high ground anymore.
+Daryl Branson As an outside observer, it seems that historically speaking the belief that your country holds the light with which it can illuminate the world is one that burns far stronger when your country is mired in total darkness. One could say it's like observing the dunning-kruger effect on a national scale. I was going to say that thankfully it doesn't seem to be as bad now as it was during the McCarthy era but that's like saying "Things can't get worse" or "This is going to be the best Christmas ever!"
is there a country thats truly free?
"You've been hearing me say it's a rigged system, but now I don't say it anymore because I won."
Pretty much.
It’s rigged until it helps him, then it’s “clever” and intelligent. It sums up Trumps personality pretty well
He did the same thing in general election, openly said "the election is rigged unless i win."
dietotaku So Trump just lives in the same thought bubble year after year..
@@dietotaku he's doing it right now.
God, that ending message. We didn’t learn John. It’s Groundhog Day all over again, but worse!
we never learn. we didn't learn from 1931 Germany, we didn't learn from 2016, we never fucking learn.
And let's not forget that in New York you have to be registered as a specific party by late 2015 in order to vote in April.
+TitanicNeoTyphlosion What's the problem with that? Any New Yorker who pays attention knows the NYGOP is so corrupt you have to lock them out early of buying spoiler votes in the primary.
+TitanicNeoTyphlosion So what? It's not like it's two years ahead of the primary.
You don't if you're a first time voter. It's just there to stop spoilers. If you want a say in a closed primary, join the party, it's not hard to do.
It's bad because anyone with a functioning brain does not decide who they will vote for based on political party and instead decide based on the candidate's policies, which are not always widely known that early.
It's a process that disenfranchises the informed in favor of the loyal.
+ApesAmongUs Anyone with a functioning brain also understands that's what the ELECTION is for. But if you want a say in who a partydecides to nominate then yes you may have to pledge yourself to that particular party to be a part of their primary. And it doesnt force you to vote for that part in the election later either, so it's really no hindrance unless you wanted to jump around parties being a spoiler
0:50 When you're playing an online multiplayer game, the game is tight, but your team loses at the last second.
haha So true.
+CombatAngelGaming when you lose 100-99 in tdm and had a chance to get the winning kill
Overwatch anybody.
next time my shitty team won't auto the nexus i'm playing this clip
No rigging, Politicfact? I saw video of a voice vote at the NV convention. Without getting into details, an "aye" vote would have favored Hillary while a "nay" vote would have favored Bernie. In the voice vote, the "nays" clearly won. But the chair, a Hillary supporter, said "The ayes have it." That's what that guy in the video shouting "Nooooo" was shouting about. It was clear rigging--and there's more than that. Please!
Exactly!!!
+PerthTowne You might want to double check that. Do you know what the vote was for?
Nowolf Yes, I do.
doesn't matter, the commie never had a chance
+PerthTowne Elaborate for me. then. Are you referring to the vote to accept the preliminary count? Or perhaps one of the votes on the platform? Or a petition to change he rules?
Trump during caucuses: I get more votes but less delegates? RIGGED.
Trump after election: I got electoral college I WIN doesn't matter about votes...
@Toori Baba being a hypocritical liar and fraud is honesty now?? Hillary is trash but so is Trump, he gives socialist tax breaks to millionaires and billionaires while the working class gets f*cked
EC decides who is president, not the popular vote. We’ve known about the EC for over 200 years, so maybe Hillary should have bothered to show up in all those Rust Belt states that twice went for Obama but voted Trump in ‘16. Furthermore, Hillary’s “victory” came from just two states, CA and NY. Your argument is invalid.
@@BelowMeGoggle I never said Hillary 'Won' you numpty. I despise Hillary. Hillary fucked up big time and the whole of America (besides a select few) has paid the price for it. The point that comes from my comment is that primaries, caucuses, and the electoral college are so easy to fuck up by accident, or speculatively on purpose, in order to rob America of a true representation of its democratic actions. My point is entirely valid, and EVEN TRUMP agrees. (When it suits him of course).
BelowMeGoggle Democrats don’t just live in California and New York. Those states don’t even make up 25% of the population.
Tons of Democrats live in Texas, Colorado, etc and no one ever mentions them.
@@Vdji5889gjh
Giving tax brakes to the rich is like th complete opposite of socialism, but ok.
That's neoliberalism, as introduced by Raegan
This Bernie or Bust thing blows my fucking mind. Just because you can't get the Ferrari doesn't mean you choose the Pinto when there's a perfectly good Honda available. Sure, the Honda's got some miles on it and you're unsure of the reliability but the Pinto has no fucking soul... and it's orange.
Extremely well put. I voted for Bernie, and I wish he was the nominee, but he lost. It wasn't the most fair process, and it ABSOLUTELY needs to be reformed, but she got more votes. Time to move on.
I have a lot of problems with Hilary, but I think she'd at least make a competent president, much more than I can say for Trump. Yes it sucks that we can't get our guy, but for fuck's sake Bernie supporters don't let your anger get the best of you! There's still a very clear choice between a candidate who will at the very least be a steady hand, and a narcissistic sociopath who will probably get us into WWIII.
I was unable to vote in the year 2000, as I was only 14. Otherwise I would have done my damnedest to make sure McCain won the Republican primary, even if I wasn't his biggest fan. When Bush won the primary, I knew the Republican party had fucked itself into a corner, because it wasn't listening to the larger general populous, but only the extremists in its party. I registered as Democrat in 2004 to make sure I could vote in those primaries. (And cried when Kerry lost because fucking hell 4 more years of Bush...) In 2008 I thought Obama stood NO chance of winning over Republican voters, so I voted Clinton. I was ecstatic when he won. Both times. And I remembered that it wasn't Republicans he had to win, it was independents. And there are a lot more independents than people realize. Mainly because they don't bother with primaries because primaries suck. In 2012 I was flabbergasted that the Republicans were even going through with the pretense of the primaries as drawn out as they were, especially since anyone with half a brain could say "Romney won because he was the only one who didn't look out of touch with actual reality" but I realized it wasn't about reality for them, it was just about media and money. The more they could drag it out, the more they could get the names repeatedly out there into the public mind and they had begun to cater to parrots with buzzwords, while not really understanding buzzwords themselves. That is why they lost.
My fiance voted Green party in 2012. I was too scared to. I've had my issues with Obama not doing "enough" in my mind, but still, Ralph Nader's effects on 2000 are more fresh in my mind than most people my age (since my Dad got me into politics when I was only 4....) He's braver and bolder than I am, however. "It's because everyone thinks they're locked into only those two choices that no one votes for what they actually want." That's true. And I don't want to live in a world that only ever picks "least disliked of above." We can do better.
This year I'm Bernie or Bust. Why? I mean I VOTED Clinton in the 2008 primaries, after all, and surely I don't want the Trumpocolypse, right?
But I learned from all those elections. And the biggest thing I learned was that the greater populous counts the most. Always. No matter what crazy thing they want. Republicans fucked themselves into the corner, not just this year or even last year, or even 8 years ago, but as early as 2000. (Well a little earlier too, because bringing Clinton up on impeachment charges actually set the stage for Hillary to get to this popularity.... but ehhhh) Because they didn't listen to what the greater populous wanted. They started ostracizing minorities back then, and forgot that *all* votes matter.
I don't want a Honda. I'm not going to be talked into buying a car I don't want just because I'm worried about getting the last car in the rental lot.
I'm not Bernie or Bust, but it's time to break up the parties, they're no longer serving the people, and that was the only point to them to begin with.
LOLLLLL amazing
You people that bash the Bernie or Bust movement have no understanding of who Bernie supporters are. Bernie has massive support from more than just Democrats. Republicans and Independents will vote for Bernie, but the primaries do not reflect this (I hate that John Oliver didn't mention this). This is exactly why Hillary will lose to Trump and Bernie is the only possible way to not have a Trump presidency.
I agree Ward413. Pintoy Clinton should be rejected for Hrump. Sure we get some racism, but we'll avoid the bullet of institutionalized corruption.
As a Sanders Supporter, I don't attack John Oliver because the blame goes to Time Warner
+slashandbones13 a.k.a you cant show whats wrong with the the message, so you attack the messenger or in this case the messenger's boss
Dmytrii B
He mocks everyone and everything in American politics but he has never joked about Obama or Hillary Clinton. There is plenty of stories of news anchors, which he technically isn't but it's close enough format, being stopped from saying certain tings
Dmytrii B
but yes, by name recognition, she does have have more people voting for her.
+slashandbones13 oh shit...really?
+slashandbones13 those numbers also don't count the voters who had their party affiliation changed or were simply purged from the list or were unable to wait in line for 8 hours to vote. had those people been able to have their voice heard the numbers would be radically different.
Welcome to the not-really-Democratic-nor-United States of America.
Except that we're supposed to democratically elect our representatives. So we're both a representative democracy and a constitutional republic. Many functioning democracies today are democratic republics, similar to a constitutional republic, but without a Constitution. So at this point, it's a distinction without a difference.
+Axel Pingol xD that's a really polite way of saying Hamilton and the constitutional congress thought people were too stupid to run the country democratically.
+1309i look up the meaning of the word "democracy" and tell me how it does not apply to the US.
+1309i US was a democracy under the Articles of confederation. The articles failed because it gave too much power to states and the general public. This lead to import taxes between states, multiple currencies, mismanagement of said currencies (simply printing more money to pay state debts) or choosing to ignore international debts all together. Point being, whatever undemocratic processes we have exist because as a public we weren't responsible, educated or smart enough to be trusted with that kind of power. To say we never had a democracy is forgetful of the many good reasons why our republic exists.
+Soletestament Just look at Rome, which was basically their template and major influence, and it's pretty clear why the founding fathers didn't want a pure democracy.
My mother, father and I were denied our right to vote in that primary. We were told we weren't "on the list". We had to demand a provisional ballot and I had to stand outside to tell others that were told they weren't on the list to demand a provisional ballot because the volunteers would not help. Disgusting. I lost so much faith in our system that day. I will never forget the 80 something year old woman crying because she never missed a vote. I am watching the DNC. They will NOT get away with this.
Seems you're blaming the DNC for what happened at your local precinct.. If so, your fruitless anger will ensure you remain ignorant enough for your vote to never matter or be counted.
Depending on your board of elections, most non-standard ballots don’t count anyway. You have to get a court (aka a judge)‘s signature to hear out your appeal. Primaries in most states have a deadline to register as a voter for each party.
What about closed primaries? Bernie and Hillary would at least be close if independents (which go to bernie at 70%) were allowed to vote.
It's over bud :( I wish he won but it all ended in New York. Only hope is Hillary getting indicted by the fbi
+MrChow408 and that's not going to happen, not because of corruption, but because there's no precedent for similar cases being indicted.(I can find the article on this if you want it) Even then, that's just the indictment. There'd be a court case, and the Clintons have good lawyers. also, closed vs open primaries is a huge debate without an easy answer, because parties ARE private institutions.
+MrChow408 and that's not going to happen, not because of corruption, but because there's no precedent for similar cases being indicted.(I can find the article on this if you want it) Even then, that's just the indictment. There'd be a court case, and the Clintons have good lawyers. also, closed vs open primaries is a huge debate without an easy answer, because parties ARE private institutions.
Out of the 14 Open primaries Hillary Clinton has won 10 to Bernie's 4. Where Bernie actually does best is in Closed Caucuses which are the least Democratic because other than being closed they take place at specific times and take hours from start to finish which can be an incredible inconvenience. Navada is the only case where you can argue Bernie could've won if more people were allowed. Also as far as Superdelegates are concerned, if you took already all of Hillary's away and let Bernie keep his; he'd still be behind by over 200. I know I'll be hearing shit for this because I have seen Bernie supporters in action, but the truth is that while Sanders supporters may be louder and Senator Sanders himself may draw a bigger crowd, Clinton is drawing the bigger vote.
+MrChow408 or assassination ;)
Man, so many Clinton supporters in the comments section. I thought that people who watch John Oliver are relatively smarter than the average democratic voter. It seems I underestimated the power of corporate media to brainwash people.
+BABA LSD Saying that Hillary supporters are inherently dumber than Bernie supporters makes no sense.
Oh shucks guys we disappointed +Baba LSD idk how I can live with myself for having an opinion and watch john oliver and knowing baba is looking at me shaking his head
+Nicholas Fu If you believe in corporate oligarchy, then yes you're right, voting for Hillary is the smarter thing to do, but the vast majority of democrats voting for her are morons, because she doesn't care about their interests.
+BABA LSD this comment is hillarious as bernie supporters cant even understand basic math as it is almost mathematically impossible for him to gain more pledged delegates than clinton at this point. i was a john kasich supporter and i despise both clinton and sanders, but its astonishes me how sanders supporters think they have any chance at getting the dem nom
+Pokemon315066 You're a Kasich supporter and you think WE can't do math? By your rational you jump on the Drumpf bandwagon since he's got the nomination. Like you said, do the math.
I support Sanders but am not enraged by what you said as like any other normal Sanders supporter. We are simply angry that the system is broken, and we need all the delegates we can get as Hillary is winning the democratic election. Will I be angry if she wins? Yes but I know as of currently she has more supporters so I won't blame the system. Honestly as long as Drumpf doesn't become president.
hear, hear
+John Dodge Who are you responding to?
Drumpf>Shillary.
If one has to pick between "supported by George Soros" and "Not supported by George Soros", pick the second every single time even if its voting for literally Hitler... as in a revived zombie Hitler.
*****
He is the head of multiple investment firms and hedge funds, he is the person who single handedly managed to create multiple economic crises across Europe (notably France, Croatia, Hungary and UK, e.g. by buying off every theater and cinema, not upholding the contracts signed by his companies, declaring bankruptcy and reselling said locations after stripping anything useful out of them... or currently having a airline which doesnt hold to EU standards while being a EU member state forcing the COUNTRY instead of the company to pay fees due to how certain deals were set up due to him buying off the 2 politicians which were in charge of the people who set up the competition for its sale... oh and he is infamous for tax evasion and buying scam or illegal produce spread companies like Alibaba).
And i posted it because i do not wish that a few friends of mine who are in the US have to turn into wage slaves living off dirt.
Tho seeing you being a degenerate whore im fine with either as long as you keep your other worthless subhuman anal abortions within country borders.
I also support Bernie he was always the underdog in the race but he's come along way from the beginning. I still don't support Clinton even if she wins because she is a criminal who is protected because the judicial system protects whoever has money. Im proud to say that I supported Sanders. I am ashamed to live in a country that choice of leader can be bought instead of earned. God HELP AMERICA!
That was good and all, but it’s now feb. 4 and the Iowa caucus has been ruined for some unknown reason. This has aged nicely😀
I'm all for a women president but can we have one that's not a liar or is completely corrupt?
I don't disagree, but I feel you can say the same thing about basically all the male politicians we have too. Don't trust a single one. Corrupt at worst, out of touch with society at best.
Name one time Bernie flat out lied:
NARKISDUDE What are you talking about, he lied to Cheryl constantly, that's why she left him half way into season 6!
For real though, check Politifact's report on him. While he's nowhere near what I would call a pathological liar, he isn't patently honest either. For the record, I voted for him in my state's primary and do not regret that decision.
Blorp Weatherby lol ok fair enough.
she's a twisted politic first, woman second
lol Americans think that they are a democracy
Many of us don't actually, unfortunately those people are labeled as crazy conspiracy theorists by the majority of uninformed people
+Joey Henninger This "conspiracy theorist" bullshit has already gone international. You ask one serious question and you get this label stamped on your face
+daDuke42 we're taught in school that it's a republic
+daDuke42 No. We are a republic. We do elect our leaders through democratic elections. If you can get more votes than the winner of the democratic, or republican primaries you can become president. Good luck beating those huge private parties though.
Yeah many of us believe we live in a Democracy, but in reality it's an Oligarchy.
If it made sense, it wouldn't be politics.
.
Not a truer word has ever been spoken.
+Hauntor, The Giraffe Biscuit there was, it was "42", but this comes right after that, yes.
+SuperAtheist Wow.
It would make sense if they had direct elections.
+catarino neptune why not?
"It´s not certain that the one who gets the most votes win."
Except for in every other country than USA...
@Rectroy the Brits left this FPTP system here in India too. Our present government won just 38% of the popular vote and got a landslide mandate. Democracy is a joke.
@@Raw_naq #NotAllDemocracies there are plenty of democracies using proportional representation. It's not even complicated. And yes it means people trust the system more, and voter turnout is generally much higher as a result.
@Rectroy At least in Britain the party with the most votes gets the most seats. Despite all the issues with our system it has given the party with the most votes the most seats.... so far. I can't imagine the uproar if let's say Corbyn got more votes than Johnson yet got fewer seats. In the US this has happened twice in the last six elections.
George Hornsby Both US and UK have outdated democracy (though I would say especially the US). Proportional representation in countries like Sweden and Norway works much better
@@georgbergsten6050 Oh yh, proportional representation is way better than both the US and the UK systems. My point was that there is bad (UK) and there is terrible (US)
To clarify/summarize John Oliver's point in this video (since a lot of folks seem to be mistaken):
The primary process is set up by political parties, which are technically private organizations, which is why the process can get very convoluted and in some cases, seem entirely un-democratic. The primary process wasn't set up by the Founding Fathers or anything, they're systems that were created by each political party to choose the candidate which could best win the presidential election. It's super confusing, and both parties could do a much better job of setting up a better system. Yes, it might seem that the process then favors establishment candidates (duh, of course it would). So if we want to change the system, let's write an email on February 2nd.
Any other thoughts?
That's well said. I actually don't think the party nomination process should be entirely Democratic, but definitely more so than what we have now. I think if it becomes entirely democratized, we risk being too subject to the whims of populism, which as we've seen can be a bad as well as a good thing.
Right. The presidential election is where the question "Is this democratic?" becomes very important. But parties could choose their candidates through a variety of ways, and obviously they've decided that it's best to balance out who the party voters like and vote for, and who would really be the best candidate to carry forth their party's agenda. Being popular isn't everything.
Thank you you summarized everything for my homework assignment.
Well atleast one person who can Stay on subject and dont get a brain anurism and start typing bullshit
That actually makes a lot of sense when put in that context. Also hilariously ironic that libertarians are pushing the hardest for a 3rd party when privatization is the very thing preventing that from becoming a reality
Here comes president Trump. My condolances, dying America.
We've survived worse... the Spanish Flu comes to mind.
+Ryan Cole Is the Spanish Flu worse, though?
+Jos Nijsten Hillary the criminal will win unfortunately, it's already decided a long time ago. Trump would be 100x better then her. She should be already in prison a long time ago.
+Ryan Cole yeah, except as hard as we try we can't sweat this one out.
+Jos Nijsten
Fuck. This country fucking deserves Trump. It's what these selfish people get for not actually caring enough to vote... I'm so cynical right now that I would consider voting for Trump to both spite Hillary and to guarantee a decent president four years down the line after Trump...
Why must you make out Bernie supporters to be idiots? It is full well known that they want Bernie to win but that doesn't mean they'll manically insist on him winning. It is about having a fair process and voting for the person you like no matter the where the tide goes.
hard take you seriously after all the videos I have seen..lol Bernie supporter are hostile as fuck.-saids a Mexican in mexico
+Lord Meric Well depends on the videos. I can't say I speak for all but I believe that the majority aren't hostile and manic, just as you don't believe that. If you'd give video examples perhaps?
+Lord Meric actually a study was done that showed trump had the most aggressive supporters online, then hillary, and finally bernie
+TheAnimaAnimal just type "protester I trump rally" or add fights. I'm not saying all are bad but many have prove to be rather too "obssess".I found that fight hate with hate only makes thinks worse because you give the opposition are driving force. driving force bites you back and refuels more conflict.
as Mexican seening Mexicans in the USA fight a battle on the wrong side is fascinating. but then we all fight for a piece of the American dream.
but then again that propaganda was the reason they have huge migration lol
+screams I'm not gonna argue bigots have walk off the woods but after seen both side I can see why this has happen. look is simple.
Trump supporters want a better economy and migration control. same with berni but more focus on defending interested of the lower people
both this term end with harshful decision that in reality does affect the structure of a nation.
look mixing culture is a double edge sword. both culture has their ignorants and fanatics and their own ideas and goals. that in short mean ...she would happen.
and soo is Bernie vs trump supporters. Same apple different worms.
I need a mashup of john oliver saying holy shit after the clip he just showed
Dunno why Bernie supporters are mad at John.. He didn't make fun of Bernie's hair cut like Colbert or SNL does.. He mentioned some harsh reality.. He is also taking a risk here cuz most of the viewers of his show seems to be supporting Bernie and he is still trying to spread knowledge to them. Like he said, if you want to make changes to the way the primaries are taking place, do it before the whole election process starts, rather than making a fuss when the primaries are almost over.
+rage against bs Kudos to Oliver for doing this, indeed.
we didnt know beforehand if we did we would have
It's his attitude of "that's just the way it is" when we all know the weird games the democratic party has played these primaries. It's ironically undemocratic and people get mad when a talking head says the same diatribe as corporate funded CNN and The Washington Post.
What if we played a game of basketball and the whole time I was pushing tripping elbowing and flopping. Yet the refs don't say a thing while the crowd screams for justice while the refs and the league say tough luck you were outplayed. It's disingenuous.
Because he failed to mention that Hillary is only winning because she cheats
salty103 True, but ignoring his attitude, is he wrong? These are the ways Democratic and Republican parties have set their rules. So they can do however they please within those set rules. Ignorance of the electoral process cannot be an excuse for voters to later on criticise everyone including John if their candidate is having a bad time . We could, for example, criticise John for talking about pennies rather than this segment on his season 2 finale episode.. But still, how would that have changed the process of the 2 parties? To change this kind of election reform requires a long protest/campaign before the elections and requires intervention at the top level of both parties.. To get that done is not easy..
Damnit, John, you actually make Mondays worthwhile.
+Roger White monday bitch its sunday
+oh k maybe he is in the other side of the world
+oh k Where are you at Hawaii? It's monday for most of the world at this point.
+Roger White Well where i am it is monday morning and i am at work pretending to be a lawer.
I'm Canadian and I really like Bernie
you prob love le trudeu as well
+teamSAF bmx yeah, oh course
Good thing you can't vote here then
+MathematicalCoffee why not he seems like a good, who do you like may I ask?
I'm Canadian too, but I'm from the part that try over and over to move out from Canada... but still I like Bernie too.
Who's here after the 2020 Iowa Caucuses disaster?
It's like he predicted the future.
It’s a pity to witness that the votes still not necessarily determine which candidate will win.
Primaries are paid for by the tax payers not by the "private" party!! Yet the party can decide to close it so independents can't vote. Why do taxpayers have to pay for a process they're excluded from? How on earth did John completely neglect to mention that?! I used to think this show was very well-researched. Not so much now.
+Ihategoogle+ And when on earth did you stop doing your own research and start depending on what Politifact concludes?! Don't become lazy and just start jumping on hot news stories. Do thorough research like you have always done!
If u think this is bad for amercia canda we have a child running the country
+Ihategoogle+ Bernie bot crybaby alert
+paintballer gaming he's around the same age Harper was when he cane up. and if you're referring to the "attack" then there's a video you need to see.
+David griffiths that's funny ones a idiot the other a sane human being named Steven harper
I voted for Bernie but that doesn't mean I'm not going to vote for Hillary. I hate when people say they won't vote for Hillary if Bernie doesn't win.
+Kalexambing Coz they have morals ? And if you want to continue his ideas you are better off voting Jill Stein.
+naxT890 No, because even Bernie, your apparent lord and saviour, has said he will vote for Hillary if she wins. Like a person who is actually a democrat would do.
But, piss away your vote with an anti-vaccine independent with no idea of how basic economics, micro or macro, works. I'm sure she'll have a great turnout.
The thickness of you American millennials.
+Kalexambing First, I live in a Blue state so my vote doesn't count. Second my vote can't go to her after all the shit she and her campaign have lied about. She is not issue oriented she only has a personal interest in getting into office and she will say ANYTHING to make that happen.
Isn't it better to vote Jill Stein than Hillary?
+Ryan Hammer So Trump is a better option for you?
Damnit he looks like a British Millhouse now that he said Bernie lost who is funded by Shillary
Kappa
Lol
Nevada was stolen, watch the video
+GeoGuy NZ it really was
+Jayy See the latest episode of Redacted Tonight on TH-cam. Another episode proved that almost ALL the primary results are OFF.
+GeoGuy NZ No Nevada was not stolen. Hillary won it legitimately and her campaign was organized and got their delegates out. Bernie did not. The facts prove you and those videos wrong.
I went into this to learn about our election system and left more confused :(
I don't live in that country but damn. Y'all are screwed up bad.
I know. Please send help
+ayden schaffer You do know how ironic that sounds right. HAHAHAHHAHA
Every country has its problems, sweetie pie.
+Kelly not every country in the world has as much impact on the global stage as america (i'm canadian), honey bunch :P
+Laura Williams When generations of US citizens are quelled into supporting a corporate scheme called "voting for the lesser of two evils", the corruption is guaranteed to ratchet up each and every turn as people accept more evil each turn. It's so sad that many of my fellow citizens are so stupid.
Americans ,for Dump and Shillary ;
Hold the WHITE HOUSE doors like Hodor.
#Hodor #feelthebern
+Sidd Joshi too soon bruh
+Sidd Joshi My heart is still reeling. Not now.
+Sidd Joshi Fucking Savaaaaaage
+Sidd Joshi Spoiler warning.
+Sidd Joshi Hodador!
See how Oliver never criticizes Clinton? His bosses at Time Warners wont let him.
No main stream media pundits or even comedic fake newsmen even criticize Hillary, ever. Only Morning Joe pundits.
This segment wasn't about the candidates. It was about the system. He barely even gave Trump any digs, and it is abundantly clear how little he likes Trump.
+thagrandpubah Wanna bet?
+fdsa fdsfad Who owns the network he works for?
fdsa fdsfad "baseless"
Last Week Tonight is owned by HBO, which is a subsidiary of Time Warners.
I am typing this from the day of the Iowa caucus in the year 2020. Sad, adult Milhouse was right.
It's British Milhouse, have some respect.
It must have been cold in the studio during Wasserman-Shultz interview.
+Cooldrop02 Or she was turned on by the superdelegate discussion.
Understandably so. I know I was.
they say it gets cold when an evil spirit enters the room.
+Cooldrop02 Oh god, now I need to wash my eyeballs with Ajax.
+Cooldrop02 actually scientifically she is should a cold bitch that her nipples are always up
I'm disappointed in John for glazing over what happened in Nevada. He didn't even show the voting where the chair was very obviously calling votes incorrectly on purpose. Or exactly what happened with the delegate math. He won't, because he is on a leash.
+ganjasage His bosses at TimeWarner would not allow him to air that....they do NOT want to pay another BILLION dollars in taxes as that would be their fair share under Bernie, and the TV station billlionaires in NYC are all friends will Hillary and know she will keep their taxes nice and low how they are now.. They DESPERATELY do not want people to feel the BERN....so...even with a liberal host like John Oliver..they will not allow him to slant it any other way besides "everything is bad" instead of the truth of how bad Hillary is. You will never see that in the mainstream media, the only way for Bernie is to WIN VOTES, as he will never "win" the media from the billionaires. Those in power never give up their riches willingly...
Phil John
Thank Sir Tim Berners Lee for the internet. Without it we'd still be mindless tv dopes sucking down the doublespeak and goodthink in between episodes of whatever retarded reality show people are glued to these days.
How are you disappointed when he pretty clearly said the system is broken and needs to be fixed? He is still on your side, just because he forgot to mention that one instance doesn't make him any less on your side. I honestly don't get what else he could have said to make his point any more clear.
He is on a leash and he ran to the end of it barking the entire 14min 27sec until that collar snapped that little fore skin neck of his...
It's amazing isn't it? As if that invalidates everything else he mentioned. How deluded can people be?
Greetings TH-cam, tis I, the foretold Bernie supporter. I'd like to go on record in saying that I disagree with the statement saying "there's no clear evidence the state party 'hijacked' the process or ignored 'regular procedure.'" By the way, well I'm here, what's up with this John Oliver guy? Looks like someone who says their parents are their best friends but who's also an orphan. I mean seriously, did some just Benjamin Button Henry Kissinger? When I see this guy's face I can't help but think to myself 'Oh look, it's British Milhouse.'
I mean seriously, he's just an angry toucan funded by Shillary.
+David Connolly At what point in your life did you fail and became a Bernie supporter?
What went wrong? Where did they touch you?
+David Connolly
Daily Show, and LWT are like the Fox News of democrats.
+David Connolly with his spider fingers.
+David Connolly i lol'd
>comes back 3.5 years later
>oopsie doodle!
Circle 2/2/2021 on your calendars I guess
Wow, you predicted the future.
Hello there
Dear John,
As a Bernie supporter, I would much appreciate you doing your own on research on the mess in Nevada instead relying on, of all things, Politifact.
Please, don't do that.
+millenna83 You do realize both noted the lack of clarity in the rules, people on both sides were hindered. Just that Hillary and company knew more Sanders supporters would be implicated. I guess you can call that rigged in its own right, but by the screwy rules Hillary won. Now superdelegates on the other hand...That's literally sanctioned cheating.
+Vincent Vermilya Yeah, look at Howard Dean, a superdelegate from Vermont, Bernie won by almost 70 points in Vermont, and Dean's still going to vote for Hillary. That's a fucking joke, Howard Dean has sold his soul.
+Vincent Vermilya 58 Sanders supporters were excluded based on various registration issues and 8 Clinton delegates on the other side. The point is that nobody can tell if they were rightfully dismissed because you need to check their registration forms to determine that. Going to Politifact to get an answer about this is meaningless.
+millenna83 As a non-American citizen, I would like to ask: what's the problem with Politifact?
SpaceFox
As I said above: Politifact can't give an answer about this issue. They have no means of checking.
all i have to say is you forgot to mention the independent voters who have not had a chance to vote in each state and they comprise 40% of registered voters! so as a sanders supporter i am not mad you didnt include all of them in your calculations who have overwhelmingly supported sanders. dont feel bad eveyone ignores the independents till its too late
+adriano lehman and dems and reps split the 60 which in a general election wont win you anything
+adriano lehman Hillary has won more open primaries so far.
so far
+adriano lehman I think Cali is the only semi open one left, as long as you are NPP and not AIP, but I think that one may go for Hillary as well.
remember this was all said in 2008
Whoever is reading this have a nice day :)
+Burch Jennings That's really refreshing. Thanks!
Thanks! I needed that!
Why thank you dear. I really appreciate that. I hope you have a lovely day yourself. :D
Great comment for a political comment section. Thank you!
I love you guys.
"I know, I look like an agry toucan."
HE KNEW ALL ALONG
And then he played Zazu
This video should at least have 10 times as many views by now. What are people SO BUSY doing that they don't have time for John Oliver's weekly brilliant 15 minute long video? Do people in this country still not have access to the internet in 2016? I truly do not get it. He averages 4.7 million viewers per episode so I imagine most people watch the videos online. There are over 300 million people in this country I feel like so many more people should be watching these videos. Its frustrating.
even foreign watch his show to update about us democracy
I know! right? been keeping me up at nite worrying about it
+Fresh Haus You think this 15 minutes is brilliant, you should see the entire 30 minute show.
I am sure that about half of the viewers are not american and just like Johns kind of humor :)
It's like watching a Survivor-style reality show. As in, I would sure hate to be one of those people having to choose between eating raw slugs and roasted spiders, but watching them squirm, with a great commentator like John Oliver, it makes for an excellent show. :)
(But really, it is quite scary. I mean, Donald Trump possibly becoming arguably the most powerful person on this planet? Hell yeah I want to be updated.)
Democracy my arse #Murica. With love from Denmark :)
someone needs to export democracy to America now ;)
+Fernando N Ok :))
+Fernando N Denmark is cool as fuck.
+Fernando N whats wrong with denmark?
+sasan n by definition the US is a constitutional republic not a democratic republic despite it being commonly know as one (or a democracy)
I wonder how many people bitching about Hilary actually went out and voted for Bernie like I did.
Posting on my facebook status Bernie vids isnt voting?
it only is if you like your own video that you posted of le bernie
unfortunately I'm an independent in a closed primary state
***** i mean you could have always reregistered as a dem when you had the chance.
But you know what thats neither here nor there. As long as you posted vids on facebook, you're vote should have been counted
I did.
As a non-American, I would like to say: just give it to whoever gets the most votes, it shouldn't be this freaking complicated.
And yes, I know that it's been in place for a very long time and it would be very hard to change and it's the same system that elects the people with the power to change it, but it's an outdated system.
Exactly, and electoral college is just helping RNC.
that moment when you are happy to live in a country with clear and direct electoral system.
From where? In Spain (where i live) elections are not even fair at all but USA's elections seems to biased, that sucks.
I'm french...oh our electoral system is not perfect, but at least we chose our leader, and when it's a bad leader, it's our fault...but the american system look so archaic...the whole idea of delegate make sens in a world without communication techs, but now...The problem is the americans are like "our constitution is sacred, changing it is an heresy" If you make a more direct system for elections, the parties will make the same for their primaries...
SieurBrabantio in my opinion, political parties shouldn't exist, it's silly because some people are just voting for a candidate because he/she is on the party, not because of his/her policies and that is quite retarded ;-;
I understand your opinion, but in each group with more than 50 individu, their will be polical parties, formals or informals, and that a thing absolutly impossible to fight: to have a visibility, you need to have relations...after, I think politicals parties should be smaller, and just be "the group of peoples with the same ideas"...in france our major parties are fat and agglomerate numerous of differents ideologies...consequencies: the ideology in charge is not exactly what the electors was expecting...(hello mister Valls)
SieurBrabantio In spain is almost the same. The shit is that in certain comunities (Madrid, Barcelona...) votes have more value than in the rest. Here there are many groups, but no parties at all.
Anyways, our current president is very very very silly, the good thing is that we will get rid of him in June :3
Gush. Am so happy to live in a real democracy and not in America.
You don't live in a democracy
How do you know? You don't believe in the existence of democracy?*****
democracy is long gone. there are only republics with democratic principles now.
Where do you live?
Where do you live? I want to move there.
I was about to sleep, then I got a notification...
Same
Me too
same
+Mitchell Lazarow what??
+Mitchell Lazarow likewise, friend
Who is here after Iowa 2020?
insulting your primary demographic. bold move.
+Brian Williams He is not insulting them because he's not criticizing them for voting for Bernie; he's simply stating the fact that Hillary would still be ahead right now without all this nonsense. Sadly that's down to more voters being comfortable with a familiar politician then a bolder one. I realllly want Bernie to win and I furious about this whole thing; but John Oliver's just stating the facts. Maybe a Trump supporter would get angry about the damning facts Oliver has pointed out about him becuase, hey, if you can concede to truths you don't like you wouldn't be voting for Trump.
+Brian Williams Insulting? Where? I'm a hardcore fan of Bernie and even though he made fun of Bernie supporters it was pretty lovingly done. And he mostly pointed out facts which are painful yet true. The democratic process is pretty much decided by the party. Doesn't change the fact that Hillary can't beat Trump though.
+William Bradford Hillary is a fraud. I'm writing Bernie in!
+William Bradford Couldn't have said it better myself.
+TheDeckinator i think What he means by insulted was by the fact that John stated that THIS election would be safe? From what? For who? Honestly I think I have witnessed my first sign in regards to this show is owned by main stream media owns him. In other episodes as he has stated, they have no sponsors which is why he can say what he wants. To then come out after all his shows, actually state that this election is safe and come back on groundhog day? What happened to..."do it now people!" ? As a man that has started revolutions, We are scheduling revolutions? Smh Why would the DNC change anything then? She was Hillary's campaign manager the last election. I guess I will vote Trump, atleast maybe Trump will have to deal with the same shit he did to Obama. I Can't even pretend thats gonna happen. BERNIE OR BUST, Besides Trump/clinton both democrats. I used to be a loyal dem, but honestly if this is democracy we really need to stop spreading it.. Quite Embarrassing Really! Tsk tsk..
We're fucking pissed about Hillary not taking any swings from sources like this.. And Bernie not being taken as serious as he should. If the system wasn't soo fucked up, like this segment awesomely explains.. Bernie would have it in the bag. Now we're (well not me) are stuck deciding which greedy, lying, narcissist to settle with.
**recieving**
As much as I want Bernie, we have to realise nothing would get done. He is too far left and too outspoken for congress NOT to shit all over his plans. At least Hillary might make an attempt at fixing obamacare
@Michael what are you talking about. Bernie has been named the Amendment king when he served in the House of Representatives (which was controlled by the Republicans during his tenure) the dude actually compromises. Something neither Hillary or Trump will ever understand.
+Garrett McCarty In congress, but as a president he has pissed off too many demographics: the racists, the fundementalists, BLM. The only group he scores well in is college students, who have extremely low turnout for the ballots.
+Michael Tsagaris you, I like you
You could just get rid of the delegate system all together. You could replace it with a system where you let people vote, count the votes and then the one with the most votes win.
There is a political system that works like that, you might have heard of it, it's called democracy.
America isn't a democracy. It's a republic.
You say those like they're mutually exclusive. It's a federal republic, and the representatives are democratically elected. So, it's both.
Except that's First Past the Post, and that's actually one of the least democratic ways of voting and nearly the entire reason why we have just two parties.
The issue is of course, a lot of politicians very much like how this system works and are not inclined to change it, add that to the fact it only generates interest in presidential election years and nothing ever gets done.
Sten Hammer
That's because all the politicians with the power to change this system won because of this system. They have no interest in changing it because they are profiting from it.
Just a few days past the Iowa caucus this has aged very well.
It's okay Milhouse, we still love you for the accent. It's like having a pet.
It's kinda funny if it's not happening to your country.
Because his country does not have an Electoral College for selecting the POTUS / PM
In my country we just choose directly.
He lives in america now, he immigrated
It's freaking terrifying if it's not in your country.
Dondolf Trumpler.
To see someone spew so much hate towards others and to see the support is frightening. Riots and mobs, how long till a militia?
A country in confusion and desperation. People are unemployed while education and accessible healthcare suffers. The military flourishes aloft the wings of fear.
Do you really want to give that power to a man who promotes hatred?
War is a bad movie no one wants to see.
People pay to suffer through it, the actors get paid for it and the producers get paid to make it.
Who will that war be with and who is forced to back it or clean up the mess?
I'd say it's quite the opposite honestly.
you didn't mention how independents aren't even able to vote in many primaries!
+Amina Merchant That's a MAJOR point. Yes, Hillary has more votes than Bernie--because in many states Independents are not allowed to vote. Add in all the Independent voters who couldn't vote--most of whom would vote for Bernie--and I think you'd see a very different result. Add in Independent voters, and I truly believe Bernie would be ahead.
+PerthTowne Exactly, if we only have two viable parties everyone should have a say in who gets choosen for those nominations.
+PerthTowne except 19 states have had open primaries where indies could vote. hillary has won 13. Bernie? 5.
of closed primaries Bernie has won one. hillary? 7.
Cacuses? hillary has lost all except 2. So I wouldnt be throwing stones if I lived in a glass house.
+PerthTowne except 19 states have had open primaries where indies could vote. hillary has won 13. Bernie? 5.
of closed primaries Bernie has won one. hillary? 7.
Cacuses? hillary has lost all except 2. So I wouldnt be throwing stones if I lived in a glass house.
+Nolan Gutierrez What if you're not a shitty Republican or a shitty Democrat? Just pick one of the shitty parties anyway?
Whose here after every Democratic candidate except Bernie Sanders just came out in support of Superdelegates right on the debate stage?
Slow your horses mate. He didn't say he's in favor of superdelegates. He said they should vote for the person with the most votes.
America has become comedy and much of the world is laughing. #Silly!
+Captain Sunshine At least when the nukes go off, we'll have free health care for the few survivors. How about you, America? :P
And you're proud of this? Being a fear mongering nuclear power?
+Captain Sunshine Have you seen how well you treat your Nuclear weapons, chances are you cant even launch them, with the drunk general in charge of them, and the people watching over them having no idea what a floppy disk is.
+Stupid Fuck Which isn't the point. The vote isn't a comedy, because of retarded people, but because the corrupt were able to have their way.
+Khannea Sun Tzu Comedy? No, it´s a tragedy.
So to boil down our political system:
It's a clusterfuck of confusion and manipulation.
When it comes down to Trump vs Hillary, vote Trump. Hillary has blood on her hands.
I'd rather have someone with blood on their hands than shit in their head.
burnnnnn
If I was American, I would rather vote for a dog licking its nuts to run your country than any of those running.
Even if Trump had blood on his hands you couldn't see it because his hands are so small.
Bush let planes fly into buildings but u elected him twice. Still can't prove shit against hillary tho. keep trying
The US election process is so ridiculous.
You have no idea how true that is.
But at least we have one. Better than a dictatorship or theocracy or something.
The danger is, many dictatorship power through messy election systems like this. Take Venezuela for instance, we claim to have the most advanced voting system and yet they never release results until way past midnight and there is a huge feeling after each elections seems it did not seem to reflect polls and just popular opinion. That’s how we have 20+ years of this thugcracy
It's an embarrassment
@@thegreatkingofevilganondor1500 look up how Hitler came to power and you will realise what you said means literally nothing
Alucard We’ve got safeguards against that. Or else Trump would have made himself dictator for life long ago
Hello fellow Canadians who are also somewhat confused.
Somewhat confused, but after watching this so thankful for the parliamentary system
Our First Past the Post system isn't perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than this clusterfuck.
+Tal Dobrer The American voting system is messed up. They should just adopt the Canadian system. People vote for the party they want and the party with the most votes wins (and the party leader becomes prime minister). Done.
I have been confused about the US voting system since day one.
+Tal Dobrer Not so confused as I've been keeping up with the primary since March.
I thought this video is more about fixing the voting system, than debating which candidate to support. Am I wrong?...
That is what I saw too, this episode. That is the great American democratic way of life?
+Sascha Meurs "The great American democratic way of life" You mean the great American life where you try to get rid of the great American democratic of life?
the whole thesis of the piece is "this needs fixing, let's do it next year all at the same time, because complaining about it just because it suits your the direction of your current emotional support is not going to work" ... it's incredible how rare is the ability to temporarily suppress passion for the greater good.
I wonder how much of this outrage is based around supporters needing to have their candidate win versus actual democracy. So many people are blinded by the desire to win that they will push for their candidate even if it goes against their values and/or rational judgement.
isn't it supposed to be about fixing the shitty system? Because i think it did a pretty good damn job of making sure people cant just stick their heads in the sand anymore. infact i saw more about the system then about asking anyone opinions, maybe i got your question wrong?
John Oliver ought to do a segment on Gerrymandering.
3:15 congrats Mr Oliver, now I want a chesterfield!
Isn't posting on my Facebook status tons of videos of Bernie, harassing all my social media friends for not voting Bernie, and yelling at a Hilary supporter considered voting? My vote was clearly disenfranchised
john couldn't have predicted the comment section better. incoherent arguments from Bernie supporters accusing john of supporting the primary process which Hillary won, when his whole point is that it needs to be more inclusive and reformed. but Bernie supporters understanding of most things is skin deep and pseudo intellectual. maybe 18 trillion dollars in debt isn't the best time for a socialist revolution.
or the perfect time ;)
I've never really heard a bias from him. Everyone acts like he's got one but I don't see it. He was just stating facts. Even when he was "bashing" trump in the "drumph" episode he was just asking everyone to consider the facts behind what trump was claiming.
Skin deep and pseudo intellectual are opposites. But honestly any supporter with heightened emotions who know little on the subject can contribute by smashing their face on the keyboard. Happens in both parties with any candidate.
Apparently you are stupid. Don't comment if you don't understand that his ideas would fix the $200 trillion (when you include SS) we are in debt.
yes ,18 trillion debt,rope in Hilary or Trump and make it triple the current debt.
*history nerd mode activated* Actually, the majority of socialist or communist revolutions happened during times of economic hardship.
Lol what's with John Oliver shitting on Bernie supporters? Like, I'm a Bernie supporter and I don't take offence, but it's a little excessive. I get that they have to weave in jokes, but was it necessary to focus solely on Bernie supporters, as if we're the only ones who have overzealous individuals among us. That's just my opinion, maybe I'm mis-perceiving because of my political views.
+Jacob Maline Hes working for HBO. And HBO more or less work for Shillary. From an outsider point of view, your system is so corrupt that Bernie never had a chance anyway.
+Jacob Maline He's not shitting on them though; what he's saying is sadly true. Even excluding primary rigging and super delegates, Bernie would still be behind. And he's forestalling rage at him over it. He hasn't said he favored one or the other based on their merits. The only candidate he has openly condemned is Trump because Trump is a special case of a joke candidate. Hillary is normal politics bad; Trump is a whole different ball game of dangerous/moronic.
+Jacob Maline You're definitely mis-perceiving it.
+giantWario Can't tell if ironically being a stereotypical BernieBro, or if you're really like this.
kaveman80207 HBO is owned by Time Warner which is Shillary 7th biggest contributor. Its not a joke that HBO work for Shillary, its a fact.
And I'm Canadian, the rest of the world aren't Bernie supporters as much as we simply realize hes the only candiate who won't screw the rest of the world over.
I wonder why this is in my recommendations right now. :-D