S1H Owners REACT to the A7Siii!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 มิ.ย. 2024
- Sony A7Siii geni.us/OaQqcb
Panasonic S1H geni.us/HPp2AZ
0:00 Intro
0:14 Why Dustin bought an A7Siii
1:02 Dustin’s Work
2:29 Differences between A7Siii vs S1H
4:04 Menu Systems
5:00 Moving from S1H to A7Siii
6:18 Stabilization
6:55 Ergonomics
8:13 Manual Focus A7Siii vs S1H
9:50 S1H Shutter Dial Issue
11:08 Which camera should you get?
15:30 Outro
CAMERAS & LENSES
Sony A7Siii geni.us/OaQqcb
MC11 geni.us/VUIn
Panasonic S1H geni.us/HPp2AZ
Panasonic S1 geni.us/mAU83Gt
Sigma 24mm f/1.4 geni.us/6nypyk
Sigma 35mm f/1.4 geni.us/tpABER
Sigma 50mm f/1.4 geni.us/A1tqS
Sigma 50-100mm geni.us/E6NuA7
Tokina 11-16mm geni.us/rCYZBMw
Sigma MC21 geni.us/Q1sEqp
256GB SD Card geni.us/PEmq
FILTERS (82mm)
Tiffen Black Pro Mist 1/8 geni.us/7rBcL
(Sublty blooms the highlights, smooths out sharpness on skin)
Tiffen Smoque Filter (Intensity 2) geni.us/5strxT
(Creates the look of smoke without the cost and hassle of smoke generators)
FREEWELL ND 8 (3 Stop) geni.us/8tGSf4B
FREEWELL ND 16 (4 Stop) geni.us/vAnK
Tiffen Variable ND geni.us/AdBsn
LIGHTING
Godox SL60W geni.us/x7ln
Angler Cylinder Omni Softbox geni.us/9onI
AUDIO
Panasonic XLR 1 Audio Adapter geni.us/k3Qgs8h
Deity S-Mic 2 geni.us/zXSq
XLR Cable geni.us/B7tsO9C
FEILD MONITOR
Ninja V 5 inch monitor geni.us/nd7gWw
Fotga A70 TLS geni.us/u2cO
GIMBAL
Feiyutech AK2000 geni.us/ZsO85
SLIDER
Zeapon Micro 2 Slider geni.us/ABQMNm
TRIPOD
Manfrotto 502 Video Head geni.us/9oOB6
Manfrotto MT055XPRO3 Legs geni.us/xlytF
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I was fortunate enough to reach out to Dustin and Nate a few months ago on instagram. They were kind and helpful and helped me decide on purchasing a Lumix S1H.
I love my camera, and since our conversation purchased an S5 as well. Nate, I love what you do! Keep making videos like this I find them so valuable. Appreciate both of you guys!
Thanks man! Enjoy the new camera!
Glad you’re enjoying it!
Dope seeing you guys talk about these cams together! Only makes sense.. After all, you two have definitely released the most valuable info on the S1H since it came out.
Aw thanks, I appreciate that!
Coming from a GH5, I thought of going for the A7siii but decided to stay with panasonic and bought the S5. I am in love with the image quality from panasonic and the way these cameras are just a joy to use!
Agreed! I still very much like the GH5!
@@NatesFilmTutorials Definitely! I'm working on my final video with GH5 footage and it's insane how well this camera has aged even after all this time
instablaster.
I have the G9 and came within a whisker of buying the S5 but bought the a7Siii instead. Biggest reason. GREAT AUTOFOCUS!!!!
Sorry Panasonic, other than that I loved you…
Everything but the autofocus is great
Two of favorite TH-cam Dudes together, Love it! :)
Thanks Tony
In the end, the two cameras are incredible. I prefer the s1h for that cinematic touch but I wouldn't mind having the sony too. Thanks guys!
Agreed! Thanks David!
I think it just comes down to if your a prosumer or a professional. I’m in complete love with my S1H and did mountains of research before buying it. It’s truly for professional filmmakers who use manual lenses. As these new cameras have come out over the past 2 years, while they share the same price point, they fail to reach the same potential as the S1H, with or without the ninja V. The S1H is in a strange spot, as it’s a cinema camera in a mirrorless body, so consumers are confused why this camera has poor autofocus, complex layouts, and a deep settings menu. I still consider it the absolute best camera for owner operators who shoot professionally in that price range, but the a7s iii is more for prosumers who don’t need to worry about timecode, 10 bit 422, anamorphic, and the insane amount of other features the S1H provides. If you include the ninja v into the discussion, the canon and Sony series cameras fail in comparison for cinema workflows. The a7s iii is great for youtubers and filmmakers who don’t desire to work on a set in cinema, and the S1H is great for filmmakers who don’t desire to make TH-cam videos or free short projects.
Despite being almost 2 years old now, the S1H still hasn’t been beat in its cinema-mirrorles category. The c70 can’t shoot raw and is s35, the a7s iii can’t shoot raw or even true cine 4K, the r5 is a joke, the sony fx 3 is just the a7s iii. A good camera to compare the S1H to is really the canon C series, the black magic series, and even the red Komodo.
Tldr: comparing these two cameras is like comparing a forklift to a Ferrari, they are made for different people.
Loved the video!
Hi, i'm torn between a7siii and S1h. My first pick is the S1h but the ghosting issue in vlog is confusing me. Is it already fixed?
@@torontodough2755 yep, that was fixed a few weeks after release.
Just ordered my S5 can't wait to use it! As a G80 owner I was surprised that the S5 actually has the same color science of the S1H which I love
Sweet!!! It’s going to blow your mind haha Enjoy the new camera!
Great conversation. As a S1H-owner weith a ton of Canon glass I still dream of the C70. But as much as I adore the autofocus and the 4k-slow motion on the Canon and Sony I would miss the IBIS and the color-science on the S1H. I would even say the Lumix has a more Canon-5D-look than the new Canons themselves.
Great video! The main advantages that I don't see as subjective are:
S1H - low pass filter and the ability to turn NR to almost completely off. It's still there but very minimal when turned off. The NR on the Sony is pretty bad and can't be turned off.
A7S3 - autofocus (obviously), and catalyst.
As you said, they seem like they target different people - for weddings and events - A7S3 - no question. For more narrative stuff, I'd prefer the S1H.
I would agree!
My main work has been in a fixed position at the back of a venue filming for up to 2 hours. Doesn't require a lot of focusing, but does need to shoot continuously in high resolution & frame rates eg 4k60p for that amount of time. The S1H is the only mirrorless that can do this.
True! The annoying box and the shutter wheel on the S1H. Really bugging me as well.
S1H is better in so many ways I just wish they would stop being stubborn and throw Phase detect auto focus in their cameras, they will sell a lot more! I use th e A7s3 . I sold the S1h back in march due to COVID but I’m hoping they will bring out a new version with better autofocus. It’s a great camera. They both are.
Hi Nate, Dustin,
Cool video seeing you both talking about the S1H and S3 from a user’s perspective.
I’m still holding on to my S1H but have a friend who really wants it for his work. I plan on getting rid of it but kept it for all the reasons you’ve both mentioned.
I added the R5 and haven’t ran into overheating yet but if and when I do, I’ll just record externally. The white balance seems to do a better job without much adjustments (than Sony’s R3/R4) and closer with the S1H colors.
Do you find yourself needing to adjust the white balance on the S3 and/or matching it with S1H? Or you just use one camera only for your projects?
Nomad 24, how does the R5 compare to your S1H? I mostly care about image quality above all else... Thanks!
@@thedavidsurowiecki, hard to say. I like them both.
Key here is if you need autofocus because of your use case like mine, then hands down R5.
If you do studio work and need all the assist tools, S1H is better. For some reason, I prefer the colors of Panasonic but that’s a personal taste.
For IQ, both are really good and you can’t go wrong with either choice. Canon has more lenses (albeit RF lenses are expensive) to select from with adapters for EF lenses.
If you could only select one, I would say R5 but if you do long form shooting and in hot climate, use an external recorder as it will overheat. You can manage it and there’s some hacks but some may void your warranty.
Hope that is helpful. If not, ask some more and good luck!
@@nomad0714 Thanks for such a detailed reply! Do you have opinion on whether the footage from either camera feels more "cinematic" than the other? (I know that term may not mean anything, yet still, some footage has that feeling more than others.)
@@thedavidsurowiecki,
Well it depends how you define it. If it is removing that digital look and making it look more natural or the overused “filmic” look, you can use the following:
1) mist filters on any camera from Tiffen, Polor Pro, Freewell (I use the Glow Mist), and Moment CineBloom; or
2) edit in post; or
3) use S1H anamorphic video mode which R5 doesn’t have. If you get R5, you can always stick the mist filter on to get the look I think you’re asking for
@@nomad0714 thanks Nomad!
I feel that the S1H and the Sony a7s111. are way too different , but I agree one is better for certain things and the other is better for other things.. I love my S1H . I feel it’s a piece of art. It’s a keeper
Hi, is the ghosting issue when using vlog in s1h fixed already?
I completely agree with Dustin about who the s1h is for. what is the best lens for s1h ? that makes the af work a little better
Thanks! Native lenses will work better, but like Dustin mentioned, it’s just not as good as he hoped
I'm missing that little magnified focus check box on S1H, and wonder how I can get it back! I've searched everywhere, went through the whole manual, but couldn't find.. Do you know how? (It would show magnified focus area only 'before' I press the record button..)
Hi Nate thanks for sharing! I am a Panasonic S5 owner and we shoot lots of dance videos. After using S5 for 3 months, I feel like some of the A7S3 tools are what I admire, such as 4k 120 without crop, since we shoot on wide-angle lenses most of the time. Any suggestions on switching to Sony A7S3?
Hey there! Well, if you want 4K 120p the Sony is the only one that offers it. What I always ask myself is how often I would actually use a feature like that? For you, i would say the A7Siii would make sense in the dance world, because of the slow motion capabilities and low light performance.
@@NatesFilmTutorials Thank you Nate for the reply!
Sorry for the late response lol
Ufff a7siii so small! 120p 4k 😭 I wish I can afford it. I'm selling my a7sii with the tamron 17-28mm to pay for the s5
Got the A7s 111 because I do run and gun alot and to me its the fastest camera just incredible autofocus
Nice! Enjoy it
that s1h looks so good tho
just my topic!! thanks
Ha your welcome!
Why doesn't any camera company ever made a modular rear-screen ... you could choose flip out or tilt-up .. or buy both. It would be a really nice feature.
If I understand you correctly, the S1H screen does just that. It tilts up and flips out. It also does both at the same time so you can flip the screen around without hitting cables that are plugged in the side of the camera. I do wish my S5 had the same level of articulation.
@@kyounokuma I didn't realize that. I need to see that camera in person. Thanks
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If you pick up and shake your s1h, in various directions, with the power on, but no lens attached, do you hear anything? Do you hear / feel sounds of parts gently shifting or any rattling noises or is it dead quiet? I’m asking, because you have one and I recently dropped my padded camera bag from about three feet and I’m trying to figure out if the noise I’m hearing was present before the fall. In other words, that it’s normal. My camera functions perfectly fine and the fall wasn’t super hard, but still, would like to hear from a real user. Thanks for any and all help!
I believe that is the IBIS moving about. I would perform some tests to make sure the footage comes out smooth or have any odd movement. Also pay attention if that noise becomes louder over time. If so, I would have it looked at. Hope this helps!
@@NatesFilmTutorials Thank you so much Nate! That's what I'm beginning to think it is.
which one is the better photo camera?
s1h, cause of more mpixels. Just for photos I would choose none of them. There are better and cheaper cameras for photos. But if you have a good budget to spent on camera, I would consider sony s1 or canon r3, masterpiece for photos and videos.
S1H for me!. But Everyone makes lenses for Sony and they're cheaper than L mount too.
True! Personally I bypass that issue with adapted Sigma Art lenses
Watching this just makes me realize I need to grow my beard to look as cool as Nate
Editing this makes me realize I need to trim my beard lol! Haha
@@NatesFilmTutorials you can give it to me
Haha epic! You guys are awesome!
Absolutely love the tech in the Sony and Canon mirrorless systems of late but would miss the autofocus of the Lumix too much to change. Stockholm Syndrome is real it seems.
I got the S1 and the Alpha 1 and I'm keeping both. Not a fan of shooting hand-held with the Sony. It's mostly for lazy photography, 120 slow Mo and weight. S1 is used when I need a second body and/or when I can take my time.
Nice! I bet that A1 is ahemm... A1.... budumm tiss
@@NatesFilmTutorials I don't think the A1 = A1. I don't know why it doesn't have shutter angle and I'm also not sure if it is the focal length, Sony glass or too much detail (50MP vs 24MP), but the LOCA is annoying.
Edit:
Maybe I'm just too harsh on the A1, but that's what you get if you're asking 7300 euros
dont forget, the S1H, even the s5, got better dynamic range, than a7 s III ( just look at lab tests on FX6 ) the latitude on Panasonic, is better , also than on a7 s III . I am glad a cancelled the fx6 order :)
The auto focus would be great if they had eye tracking in the tracking mode. The tracking mode seems to work better even with human subjects??? Don't know why.
If S1H had 10MP sensor (like GH5S but FF) I would certainly prefer it, but alas:(
What about Netflix approved? S1H is Netflix approved. Is the A7Siii Netflix approved? What about the new Sony A1 or the Sony FX3?
Unless you are working for Netflix for a Netflix original, its doesn't matter th-cam.com/video/JErqQ62RjuA/w-d-xo.html
The S1H is still the only mirrorless camera on that list. The a7s iii won’t ever get it since it shoots UHD and has subpar cinema settings. Being Netflix approved is really just important for people filming on Netflix, but it’s also a good scale for what is considered a professional cinema camera, which the a7s iii is not, nor is it supposed to be. The S1H is a cinema camera first, and a mirrorless camera second.
Ok wait.....So the A7siii only shoots up to UHD 4K and not DCI 4K?
That’s correct
@@NatesFilmTutorials ok thanks for your reply Nate.
You’re welcome!
shoots DCI4k in Prores Raw
S1H is too digital looking and AF sucks, pass.
Lol digital looking os the last thing the sh1 is.
@@castielvargastv7931 first and last
I think you should reconsider the S1H. It’s far from “digital looking.” The digital look comes from poor dynamic range, bad codecs, small sensor size, and bad rolling shutter. The S1H has better dynamic range than the a7s iii, has no crop 4k and can shoot open gate 3:2, and with the ninja V can shoot prores raw, but the s1h still has problems with rolling shutter.
The S1H is a true cinema camera, and is far from digital looking since it has an optical low pass filter on top of being technically superior. Af does suck though, but most cine shoots use manual lenses.
@@nathangoswick8175 Lol OLPF has little to do with flimic looking images. It's still too digital for me,
@@MrVh78 I guess I should spend some time giving a more in-depth explanation. The main factors, excluding all equipment besides what is on the camera, like lights, sound, etc, it boils down to these factors. Here are the cameras compared between what makes their sensor "filmic" Dynamic range readings are at a measured SNR of 2 by CineD since all camera companies lie, and the Red Monstro is the only camera with an actual dynamic range of 16 at an SNR of 2.
A7s III:
Dynamic range - 12.4
Sensor size - FF
Codecs/Croma Subsampling - 422
Bit depth - 10
Max resolution for video - UHD 4k
S1h:
Dynamic range - 12.7
Sensor size - Large Format (open gate 3:2)
Codecs/Croma Subsampling - 422
Bit depth - 10
Max resolution for video - 6k
Dynamic range is the single most important spec for a camera to look filmic. Highlight/shadow clipping is a dead giveaway to a cheap digital sensor. The S1h's dynamic range is the second-best measured by CineD, with the first being the ARRI Alexa.
Sensor size allows shallower DOF, and being able to shoot anamorphic 3:2 open gate is a huge deal for cinema.
Codecs are the same, but with the Atomos Ninja V, the S1h can shoot prores raw at 12-bit, which is insane.
Bit depth is the same, but S1h can go to 12 with the Ninja V
Max resolution is the least important factor for the film look, but it's useful for reducing noise with downsampling, making a 6k downsampled image have less digital noise when reduced to 4k. This is essential for filmmakers aimed at the big screen, since 4k is a minimum requirement, and pixel to pixel 4k has too much visible noise. Also, the A7s III cant even shoot true 4k or cine 4k, making it not ideal for film productions.
It's worth noting that V-Log is a fantastic log profile that is only on the S1h, and is used in Varicam cameras. It's also worth noting that the S1h doesn't have a green shift in the shadows like the Sony series, but if you can color correct, this isn't really a problem.
However, all of these specs are useless if you don't understand your camera enough to create a filmic look. While dynamic range is extremely important, lens choice, lighting, and even audio are far more important for the film look. Your right in that the OLPF doesn't really create a film look, but it softens the image and is standard in cinema cameras due to reducing moire, and that sharpness isn't really a big deal in film. I admit, mentioning the OLPF was kind of a cop-out on my part so I don't have to spout off all of these specs, but since I am here doing that anyway, I wanted to clear that up.
Unless you have a technical description of why the S1h looks digital over the A7s III, please let me know, otherwise, that is your opinion, and you are fully entitled to have it.
Sorry if I overloaded you with stats, I don't need to convince you how great the S1h is, I just wanted to know why you think that and if you knew about what makes a sensor more or less filmic.