Bad mumps is when a boy gets mumps during the adolecence, causing testicular inflamation resulting in infertility. My uncle had it. That's why when the vaccine was created, boys were prioritised. Just like with rubella, girls were prioritised. Getting rubella during pregnancy causes birth defect so mother having immunity is vital. My brother-in-law is blind because Rubella. I'm 40, these diseases aren't as far in the past as people think. Effective Mumps vaccine became properly available during the 1960's. Costner was born in 1955. It probably never occured to him that people wouldn't know mumps causes infertility.
@oktopustrainer this stuff was common knowledge 20 years ago. Explaining it the movie would have been like explaining HPV today. Not everyone knows it, but most would find explanation within a movie to be tedious and unneccessary.
Frankly, when I was watching this movie, I caught myself wishing that HE was the lead. He has more charisma in his appearance than Costner did in the whole movie.
Tom Petty is in this movie because he wanted to appear in an post-apocalypse themed movie after making the post-apocalypse themed music video for "You Got Lucky" in 1982. It took 15 years but he got his wish.
If you can find it. David Brin has a half dozen published books and the only one made into a movie is the only one not in print. I had to buy a used paperback on eBay.
@@marccolten9801 I found a PDF within a minute of googling. And I remember first reading it on a kindle. It may not be exactly the same as a physical book, but you still get the story.
In Costner's defence, Dances with Wolves may have gone overbudget, but not at an outrageous cost like Heaven's Gate or Waterworld. It was greenlit at $15 million dollars and Costner brought it in for $22 million. So it was still a fairly inexpensive production.
I think DwW is arguably the best movie of My lifetime. The diary narration sounds like someone reading from a diary, i'm not saying it's great narration, but complaining about that is like having a stain on your shirt at the Grand Canyon, nobody gives a cr@p about your shirt, it's the Grand Canyon.
The novel it was based on was much better. Better sci-fi elements, better world-building, and a main character who was humble rather than heroic. Oh, and it had better roles for women in the plot.
Honestly, I really like the themes of this movie; the postal service serving as a resurrection of the fallen government and order, bringing faith and purpose to the community, as well as symbolising communication and community over intolerance and chaos? Yes please
I remember correctly that they poked fun at this movie in The Simpsons, where Lisa said the movie sucked but, Costner tried so hard, yet Costner, in the "commentary" apologized and didn't know what he was thinking. Lol!
I'd say it was more like Waterworld's bastard uncle that you stopped inviting to Christmas dinner because he always gets drunk, tells the same story for three hours, then tries to steal 50 bucks from your wallet.
Like Sean said, Dances with wolves went over budget and people thought it would flop,just like Heaven´s gate. That´s why the press called it "Kevin´s gate" before its release.
@@teddyfurstman1997 I love Eric Idle, but keep in mind he was also in Casper and Duddley Do-Right. And John Cleese was in Pluto Nash. No body has a flawless slate.
2:17 - I know Sean's doing an imitation of Kevin Costner's wooden acting, but he unintentionally sounds like *most* other TH-cam movie reviewers with that voice. THANK YOU, Sean Moore, for being colorful and animated on a platform that has long since gone to the zzzzzzzzzz's.
Ben Roberts nationalist propaganda by itself is not bad and can be very good art in its many forms. Using said propaganda to try and control the minds and actions of the populace is the thing that is “wrong”.
@@KingOfWinter I guess I have to agree with that. What I was trying to get at without being too verbose is that filmmakers would probably tend to see such stuff as a less worthy creative pursuit, like comparing movies and advertisements. There's a reason one is considered a stepping stone to the other
It still angers me that Goodfellas didn't win any of the big Oscars apart from Best Supporting Actor for Joe Pesci and Dances With Wolves got all the praise. Kevin can make good films, he just gets WAY too ambitious with them. I also like his acting, wooden as it may be.
When I heard the name: "Postman" and heard it was post-apocalyptic I thought it was movie about post man who delivers letters in a destroyed world. Think of Death Stranding in a movie form. I didnt expect the boring, wish-fullfilment-fantasy, masturbation in front of the star flag that the movie actually was.
What do you mean? It is not like in Death Stranding US is the only place that matters and main objective is to rebuild the country and... ...well shiet, you ruined Death Stranding for me.
You know... I'm German, and going from Costner's regular voice actor, I always expected him to have a little more... charisma. But then again... the same goes for Bruce Willis.
@Captain Brandon Punk & Horror Lover Difficult questions. But his regular voice actor is Frank Glaubrecht, who's also a regular voice for Al Pacino, Billy Der Williams and Pierce Brosnan. He also sounds a little bit like Brosnan, generally deeper, older and smoother, with this natural resonance, like a trailer voice. Kostner in comparison sounds a lot higher and thinner.
Honestly it's hard to tell if this film really deserved the award for Worst Picture, considering its fellow nominees were: Anaconda Batman & Robin Fire Down Below and last, and possibly least depending on your opinion Speed 2: Cruise Control
They are all bad but entertaining, but the Postman wins points for being the longest and most dense. Interestingly, if it had had such exaggerated action scenes as the other movies, it would have done better.
I would say I'm surprised that Batman and Robin didn't "win" Worst Picture considering that it was a box office bomb, a franchise killer, and the decades-worth of critical backlash it's gotten since its release, but at least that one has some entertainment value to it. And isn't nearly three hours long.
Anaconda had Jon Voight inappropriately cast, buy somehow it still worked. Batman and Robin had George Clooney doing an impressively lazy impersonation of Adam West's Batman, which shouldn't be possible, but it happened. Fire Down Below had John C McGinley hosting the world's most brutal one - man teamwork seminar...(edit...that was On Deadly Ground, I realize that now. My Bad. But Steven Segal using blues guitar to woo Marg Helgenberger is still pretty funny and dodges the Raspberry Bullet. Speed 2 Cruise Control had Willem Defoe hamming it up as the bad guy...and leeches. The Postman had Tom Petty as Tom Petty as the Mayor of a city with an epic zip line. Which means he was either democratically elected, or a coup was staged. Either way Kevin Costner somehow managed into fuck that up because that's a movie worth seeing. You can call it classic rock tyrant or some shit. And for that the Raspberry is his.
You have to hand it to Costner. He's been in movies, big budget movies for nearly 40 years, and he STILL can't act. You would think, with all that practice, he would have improved at least a little. Nope. Consistently terrible.
I was in this movie as an extra. It was quite the experience getting to meet Costner and Patton. We knew something was up when we were shooting a scene that involved all of the extras and took half the day to set up....and someone asked, “where are the cameras?” As for the scene with the Sound of Music, that was the funnest night of shooting even though I was freezing my ass off.
Owie40 we all knew it was a Costner movie. They did a big casting call and my friend also was hired. Costner was huge in Tucson, Arizona since he kinda wined and dined everyone when he shot Tin Cup here. The shot in question was all of the Holnists were on a cliff, doing this weird ass dance. We were told there would be multiple cameras but I just remember the helicopter fly by being the only shot. The experience was fun, but the production was something of a train wreck at every level. Since we only did the scenes at the Holnist camp, we didn’t know how off the rails it was going in Oregon.
@@TheOne5872-n3n it was fun to say the least. But it was a rough three weeks. We had professional extras on set and they were kinda high and mighty around us non union plebs. 🤣🤣 truthfully I wish I could do it again.
I remember that Simpsons episode when Lisa Simpson was in the mall and she saw that cut out picture of Kevin Costner and she was like oh Kevin Costner he tries so hard. And then Kevin Costner stepped out from behind a TV and was like thank you. And I don't know what I was thinking a guy walking around with a bag of mail .📪📪📪📭📭📭
This is actually Costner's third post apocalyptic movie. He also appeared in the 1983 movie Testament that's about life in a small town after a nuclear war.
Kevin Costner is one of those actors who seems good as long as he looks the part. When he was young, he looked like a Naval officer hence he was monocromatically good in" No Way Out". As he got older he looks weathered enough to play a hill person, cowboy etc. He can't perform a role he has to disappear in. And one thing he can't seem to get rid of: he's got a look in his eyes and a slight smirk that lets everyone know he is doing you a fucking favor by letting you look at him. Love your channel!!!
I went back and rewatched Dances With Wolves recently (as I really enjoyed it when it came out), and it really struck me, like a punch in the face, how _terrible_ his acting was. He just got a lot of really good actors around him.
I can't stand Costner in any movie (even in Field of Dreams and Untouchables I thought he was wooden), but Dances With Wolves is the most egregious example because he did such a great job directing it. He belongs behind the camera, not in front of it.
@coolnerdlll6053 Yep. I've never seen a movie he's been in where he didn't stick out like a sore thumb. Even Prince of Thieves, which I enjoy for the campiness of it all.
Wait, the oceans completely dried up and there is almost no impact on the climate ? Where did all that water go? How do they even have rain or drinking water? ????
"The movie that Hollywood doesn't want you to see, which was distributed by Disney" I'm pretty sure Song of the South was several decades too early to be nominated for a Razzy
@@gageperuti5519 Considering how screwed up the Razzies are, I wouldn't put it past them to nominate a good movie like SotS. Yes, SotS is a good movie, and I'm still campaigning for Disney to release it on Blu-ray.
Gage Peruti Also, it features HARVEY WEINSTEIN as a private detective. I guess it’s no surprise that Weinstein is in this DISNEY film, since Disney bought his company Miramax in 1993.
The Postman came out on Christmas Day 1997 and was DESTROYED by critics (Rotten Tomatoes score - 8%) and audiences (made $20 million against its $80 million budget) for its pretentiousness and being overly long. It was nominated for, and “won”, 5 Razzies for: • Worst Picture - The Postman • Worst Director - Kevin Costner • Worst Actor - Kevin Costner • Worst Screenplay - Brian Helgeland (he also won the Oscar for the L.A. Confidential screenplay the same year and accepted the Razzie in person) and Eric Roth • Worst Original Song - The Entire Song Score But, despite this, Costner still defends this movie with all of his heart and spirit saying this: "I always thought it was a really good movie! I always thought I probably started it wrong. I should have said something like “once upon a time.” Because it was just like a modern-day fairy tale - it wraps itself up with a storybook ending with the statue. You know, I thought it was a pretty funny movie set against the idea of a Superman - somebody stepping up. But in this case, it’s a very humble guy who's nothing but a liar [laughs] - delivers mail and burns half of it just to stay alive. So, I like the movie."
The Postman is a great movie. One of my favourite movies and it was also a favourite of my grandfather who passed away in June, he thought it was a good futuristic drama. I got Kevin Costner's autograph because of The Postman. It's not a bad movie.
@@darktower0603 *This* was Worst Picture? In the same year Batman and Robin, Mortal Kombat: Annihilation, Alien: Resurrection and Speed 2: Cruise Control came out? Bullshit!
A movie where America is in shambles and a crazy leader wants to dismantle the Postal Service which brings back hope? Did Kevin Costner sure did predict the future with this movie?
Okay first The Unusual Suspect uploads a new video, and now a new Cinematic Excerment comes out. Are these late birthday presents for me? Also, years later, Kojima would make a version of this story with his signature weirdness known as Death Stranding.
Brian Helgeland, the writer of this movie won the Razzie for worst screenplay. The very next night Helgeland also won the Oscar for best adapted screenplay for "L.A. Confidential".
I always liked Colin Quinn's review of The Postman on Saturday Night Live's Weekend Update. The movie poster appeared onscreen and, after a brief pause, Mr. Quinn said, "Acting. No more directing. No more producing. No more writing. Acting."
The Only thing funny in this movie is Tom Petty and that Ringo Starr as President joke. Because The Beatles and Tom Petty are Awesome. Also, "Poor Kevin Cosner, he tried so hard." - Lisa Simpson. I was born in 1997 tho.
@tim conway And there's the inevitable trumpkin! "Oh, some non-whites suffered? Lemme just throw in some completely irrelevant whataboutism because I have a hollow noggin and a soft tiny mushroom!"
ScreamingScallop right, because only Trumpkins make fun of Warren. Sure, using it to respond to Native genocide is a little unnecessary, I still get a good chuckle out of that, and I’m a Bernie supporter.
Also fun fact, screenwriter Brian Helgeland took home the Worst Screenplay Razzie for this, but the following night also added a Best Adapted Screenplay Oscar to his haul for 'LA Confidential'. Also, thank goodness Olivia Williams had 'Rushmore' the following year to make up for being in this. Co-writer Eric Roth also said the movie was originally supposed to be two hours but Costner demanded Helgeland bloat it out to three. Regarding 'Dances With Wolves', Costner was originally only supposed to direct but took up the lead role after Viggo Mortensen dropped out.
He saved his career, years later, it took off when Stuart Townsend idiotically turned down LOTR, for Queen of the Damned because he didn't want to shoot in NZ, whoops.
Still to come: An Alan Smithee Film: Burn Hollywood Burn Wild Wild West Freddy Got Fingered Swept Away Gigli Dirty Love Basic Instinct 2 I Know Who Killed Me The Love Guru Movie 43 The Emoji Movie Holmes & Watson Cats
wait, and nobody could tell he was liying when he said the president was RICHARD STARKEY!!, RINGO STARR!!, the drummer of THE BEATLES!!!???. that screams "I'M MAKING THIS UP!!!". did people forget about music in the post apocalypse?.
I think that narration for wolves is just fine. It's a soldier talking so he is very monotone and very direct and to the point. It makes sense he talks like that.
I've always interpreted Costner's 'wooden' narration in Dances With Wolves as being the lead character reading back what he had written in his journal. I thought it worked. Anyone else interpret his narration that way?
I don't think that's a very good excuse. His voiceover was still awful. A lot of actors would have been able to make the journal entries sound like great narration.
@Captain Brandon Punk & Horror Lover Film has nothing to do with politics? BWAH HAH HAH HAH! Are you serious? Have you ever heard of the Hays Code? Blacklisting? Of course, you idiots think that the mere existence of women in a film is a political statement so...
The "Bad Mumps" is a super strain of Mumps that kills off the other Mumps and gains their powers. So by the time this guy got the Bad Mumps, he was more or less infected by The Kurgan of Bad Mumps. Now, the only way to counteract the Bad Mumps is with infection by the aforementioned Good Mumps. The Good Mumps fight the Bad Mumps for ultimate bodily Mumps Supremacy. Now, there can be only one Mumps. Should The Good Mumps win, then you just become sterile, that and you can either read everybody's mind at the same time or none at all. But the Good Mumps will let you pick once. Should The Bad Mumps win...you go blind and everything you eat tastes like pennies. I hope this clarifies the Mumps debacle. No need to thank me. I'm just doing Kevin Costner's work for him, because that bastard clearly refuses to do it himself.
Hate to tell you this, but 25 years ago "bad mumps" aka "testicular inflamation caused by mumps" was considered common knowledge. It was one of the best known causes for male infertility.
You forgot to discuss whether this deserved to be the worst. Considering it was against critical punching bags like “Batman & Robin” and “Speed 2”, it would be interesting to see how you thought “The Postman” compared.
This is legitimately one of my favorite movies. It gets tons of crap, but Kevin Costner made the second and third best post apocalyptic sci-fi movies ever.
Alan Smithee (1969-1998) was a filmmaker, born and raised in Hollywood, who was infamous for making terrible movies. Tune in next episode of Cinematic Excrement, where The Smeghead will review the movie... ...that killed Alan Smithee.
I liked this movie until the end when everything went back to normal. The lion makes sense to me. Zoos exist now and if the world goes to shit the animals might could escape.
im not even american i gotta call this out, singing a patriotic song is NOT being jingoistic, it is supposed to invoke the feeling of pride in your nation, Jingoism is to elevate patriotism to overzelous assumed superiority above all others, it is specifically racist by nationality, NOTHING in this film does that, its supposed to remind people that the point of the project that is the USA is the push for individual rights and freedom from tyranny etc, as people seek to dismantle your country in the name of supposed 'systemic oppression' you might do well to remember that the USA never claimed to be perfect, it only pledged to strive towards it, accusing every display of patriotism of being jingoistic is to pretend that america itself is racist and if that were true then every american would be too
I believe both "The Postman" and "Waterworld" released horrible edits with extended scenes about being alone for a real long time. I believe better edits could make both movies somewhat watchable, but neither movie really deserves anymore time spent on it.
I can’t even watch TH-cam reviewer who makes fun of bad movies without being fed politics. Listen I don’t like republicans, I don’t like democrats but this is the exact reason why division is everywhere now. You can’t watch a sporting event, a movie, tv show, TH-cam reviewer, etc. without being bombarded with extreme ideologies. With that being said, I still enjoy your videos just please can I have a moment of escapism?
If you want escapism, don't watch a review of a movie with political message. Reviewing this movie without out pointing out some of the modern contex would be ignoring most of the movie. If you want to stick your head into the sand, you are free to do so, but don't complain that others aren't providing the sand.
Reena Setälä see the real problem is people like you who would find political meaning in everything and all of a sudden is an expert in politics, the economy, foreign relations, US and world history, etc. yeah I think that I don’t have to turn everything into us vs them and want the government to fix my life so go stick your head in your ass
lol if it seems wild that the postal service would be so active in making the new government then you need to refresh your revolutionary war history knowledge
You say you have no idea why Kevin Costner was nominated for best actor for Dances With Wolves. What do you expect from the same organisation that didn't give best picture to Goodfellas and best director to Martin Scorsese for Goodfellas.
Yeah, he's directed more bad films, The Last Temptation of Christ, The Age of Innocence, Casino, Kundun, Silence, than Kevin Costner has directed, TOTAL.
FYI: Richard Starkey is Ringo Starr's real name!
I know. He's also a damm good drummer like Neal Peart of Rush and Nick Mason of Pink Floyd and is very funny unlike Kevin Cosner himself.
Ouch.
I know that! I know a few Beatles facts like the palm of my hand.
His next line is "It's getting better all the time." It was a joke.
and Ringo would make a better president than Trump. :P
Bad mumps is when a boy gets mumps during the adolecence, causing testicular inflamation resulting in infertility. My uncle had it. That's why when the vaccine was created, boys were prioritised. Just like with rubella, girls were prioritised. Getting rubella during pregnancy causes birth defect so mother having immunity is vital. My brother-in-law is blind because Rubella. I'm 40, these diseases aren't as far in the past as people think. Effective Mumps vaccine became properly available during the 1960's. Costner was born in 1955. It probably never occured to him that people wouldn't know mumps causes infertility.
I knew it. My parents who grew up in the 40s and 50s America told me about those days.
I had mumps when I was 9 in 1992.
If I recall, the "bad mumps" was also referenced multiple times in the Jericho series.
Great info. The more you know.
@oktopustrainer this stuff was common knowledge 20 years ago. Explaining it the movie would have been like explaining HPV today. Not everyone knows it, but most would find explanation within a movie to be tedious and unneccessary.
I gotta admit, Tom Petty playing himself was a neat idea and made me laugh.
God rest his soul!
Frankly, when I was watching this movie, I caught myself wishing that HE was the lead. He has more charisma in his appearance than Costner did in the whole movie.
RIP TP, I'll never forget all the times I listened to your music in my dad's truck.
Tom Petty is in this movie because he wanted to appear in an post-apocalypse themed movie after making the post-apocalypse themed music video for "You Got Lucky" in 1982. It took 15 years but he got his wish.
He never got to play Larry Underwood
The book the film is based on is actually good, carries the same message, and doesn’t have Costner droning on in it. Go read that instead.
If you can find it. David Brin has a half dozen published books and the only one made into a movie is the only one not in print. I had to buy a used paperback on eBay.
I did back in the day--I was disappointed by the Wizard of Oz references and super soldiers.
@@kevintrjohnson Unlike the movie the book was sci-fi. That explained the augments and the sentient computers.
@@marccolten9801 I found a PDF within a minute of googling. And I remember first reading it on a kindle. It may not be exactly the same as a physical book, but you still get the story.
@@bgl7702 Times have changed. I have a kindle as well and have been getting books to read on it. I guess I still think of physical books first though.
In Costner's defence, Dances with Wolves
may have gone overbudget, but not at an outrageous cost like Heaven's Gate or Waterworld. It was greenlit at $15 million dollars and Costner brought it in for $22 million. So it was still a fairly inexpensive production.
Even back then that was a very low budget for a story of it's scale.
I think DwW is arguably the best movie of My lifetime. The diary narration sounds like someone reading from a diary, i'm not saying it's great narration, but complaining about that is like having a stain on your shirt at the Grand Canyon, nobody gives a cr@p about your shirt, it's the Grand Canyon.
@@pegasusactua2985 it had the best sets that money can't buy.
The novel it was based on was much better. Better sci-fi elements, better world-building, and a main character who was humble rather than heroic. Oh, and it had better roles for women in the plot.
And don't forget they were plenty Allies like the tribe who kept down satellite
Glad I checked comments first ...Ditto.
Fun fact: At one point, Ron Howard was considered to direct the film, with Tom Hanks in the lead role.
Honestly, I really like the themes of this movie; the postal service serving as a resurrection of the fallen government and order, bringing faith and purpose to the community, as well as symbolising communication and community over intolerance and chaos? Yes please
I remember one episode of family Guy Chris made this one quote that really got me.... "How does Kevin Costner keep getting work?"
For how bad this movie was I loved the game adaption, Fallout: New Vegas.
I remember correctly that they poked fun at this movie in The Simpsons, where Lisa said the movie sucked but, Costner tried so hard, yet Costner, in the "commentary" apologized and didn't know what he was thinking. Lol!
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But was wasn’t Field of Dreams great? Made you believe again.
costner.... there are reason why we stop seeing him...
@@Rbills02 beleive in what? I saw it and didnt get anything from it. I enjoyed it, that's about as all I give it
@@pheunithpsychic-watertype9881
Watch the Simpsons scene the OP is referring to.
Lisa: "Oh, I heard this really sucked, hmm director's commentary."
😂😂😂
So this movie is basically Anti-Waterworld. Literally.
it pretty much the same... at least i still see waterworld at Universe studio...
I'd say it was more like Waterworld's bastard uncle that you stopped inviting to Christmas dinner because he always gets drunk, tells the same story for three hours, then tries to steal 50 bucks from your wallet.
It's more like Mad Max but with fucking horses instead of motor vehicles.
Actually, Waterworld was called Kevin's Gate, not Dances With Wolves.
Like Sean said, Dances with wolves went over budget and people thought it would flop,just like Heaven´s gate. That´s why the press called it "Kevin´s gate" before its release.
They both were.
HEAVEN'S GATE is pretty good if you see it in a foreign dub without subtitles...
I thought Waterworld was called Fishtar
@@jngr1 It was called both.
This movie was such a chore to watch. And that pregnancy that just refuses to end? I pictured the kid going to high school straight from the uterus.
🤣🤣🤣
Next is An Alan Smithee Film: Burn Hollywood Burn, which stars Eric Idle, Coolio, and, gags, Harvey Weinstein.
YIkes. Also, why is a former Monty Python in this Movie? Eric Idle is GOAT. Along with John Cleese.
Oh boy! ^^
Can’t wait to see him review it!
@@teddyfurstman1997 I love Eric Idle, but keep in mind he was also in Casper and Duddley Do-Right. And John Cleese was in Pluto Nash. No body has a flawless slate.
@@Campbellzilla I like to think Michael Palin saw those two and thought “nah, I’ll do cute travel documentaries instead”
@@KylieWilson And Terry Gilliam brought his fever dreams to life.
My dad watched this in college, and he says that this was the first book adaptation he ever hated.
When you say "your dad" that makes me feel so old, 1997 was the year i left school and started college. The decades since then have flown by 😕😋
@@hobosgameplays6607Yep thought the exact same thing😂
Richard Starkey is Ringo Star's real name.
A wink to the audience. Not a crime.
I see why he changed it.
2:17 - I know Sean's doing an imitation of Kevin Costner's wooden acting, but he unintentionally sounds like *most* other TH-cam movie reviewers with that voice.
THANK YOU, Sean Moore, for being colorful and animated on a platform that has long since gone to the zzzzzzzzzz's.
UnbearableWitness LOL, I was thinking the exact same thing.
That didn't occur to me but yeah, that does sound like a lot of bad TH-cam movie reviewers. I can't tell you how dull and bored they sound.
Now he got to play Supermans farm dad
"Someone owes Kevin Costner an apology!"
No, we don't...
True. No one could have foreseen that reality would become a bad movie plot.
Um? I think you’re getting your Kevins confused
Sheridan Mann Who’s the other Kevin?
@@beethovensfidelio Kevin Sorbo?
@@JustinCoasters Kevin Spacey.
Don’t care what anyone says I freaking love this movie!
I kinda enjoy it too but Smeghead is right, it's still a bad movie
@@BaranoffIsaac sounds like you want nationalist propaganda. That's not how one makes good art
Ben Roberts nationalist propaganda by itself is not bad and can be very good art in its many forms. Using said propaganda to try and control the minds and actions of the populace is the thing that is “wrong”.
@@KingOfWinter I guess I have to agree with that. What I was trying to get at without being too verbose is that filmmakers would probably tend to see such stuff as a less worthy creative pursuit, like comparing movies and advertisements. There's a reason one is considered a stepping stone to the other
Hey, idiots. You can like a movie even if it’s bad but please respect others’ opinions
It still angers me that Goodfellas didn't win any of the big Oscars apart from Best Supporting Actor for Joe Pesci and Dances With Wolves got all the praise. Kevin can make good films, he just gets WAY too ambitious with them. I also like his acting, wooden as it may be.
When I heard the name: "Postman" and heard it was post-apocalyptic I thought it was movie about post man who delivers letters in a destroyed world. Think of Death Stranding in a movie form.
I didnt expect the boring, wish-fullfilment-fantasy, masturbation in front of the star flag that the movie actually was.
Sounds like the perfect description of Death Stranding to me.
Yeah it's the perfect movie
What do you mean? It is not like in Death Stranding US is the only place that matters and main objective is to rebuild the country and...
...well shiet, you ruined Death Stranding for me.
The book was actually good though, Costner basically made this film "In Name Only" with the book's storyline.
that we those death strading was bad...
You know... I'm German, and going from Costner's regular voice actor, I always expected him to have a little more... charisma.
But then again... the same goes for Bruce Willis.
@Captain Brandon Punk & Horror Lover Difficult questions. But his regular voice actor is Frank Glaubrecht, who's also a regular voice for Al Pacino, Billy Der Williams and Pierce Brosnan. He also sounds a little bit like Brosnan, generally deeper, older and smoother, with this natural resonance, like a trailer voice.
Kostner in comparison sounds a lot higher and thinner.
I think I watched it every year at 10 pm at Kabel1
Honestly it's hard to tell if this film really deserved the award for Worst Picture, considering its fellow nominees were:
Anaconda
Batman & Robin
Fire Down Below
and last, and possibly least depending on your opinion
Speed 2: Cruise Control
I liked Anaconda, sure i was 5 but i liked it
They are all bad but entertaining, but the Postman wins points for being the longest and most dense. Interestingly, if it had had such exaggerated action scenes as the other movies, it would have done better.
I would say I'm surprised that Batman and Robin didn't "win" Worst Picture considering that it was a box office bomb, a franchise killer, and the decades-worth of critical backlash it's gotten since its release, but at least that one has some entertainment value to it. And isn't nearly three hours long.
Anaconda had Jon Voight inappropriately cast, buy somehow it still worked.
Batman and Robin had George Clooney doing an impressively lazy impersonation of Adam West's Batman, which shouldn't be possible, but it happened.
Fire Down Below had John C McGinley hosting the world's most brutal one - man teamwork seminar...(edit...that was On Deadly Ground, I realize that now. My Bad. But Steven Segal using blues guitar to woo Marg Helgenberger is still pretty funny and dodges the Raspberry Bullet.
Speed 2 Cruise Control had Willem Defoe hamming it up as the bad guy...and leeches.
The Postman had Tom Petty as Tom Petty as the Mayor of a city with an epic zip line. Which means he was either democratically elected, or a coup was staged. Either way Kevin Costner somehow managed into fuck that up because that's a movie worth seeing. You can call it classic rock tyrant or some shit. And for that the Raspberry is his.
@@papaburlap3385 NGL I’d watch a movie with Tom Petty as the mayor of a post apocalyptic town. RIP :’(
Once again, this proves we are living in both the worst and the stupidest timeline.
You have to hand it to Costner. He's been in movies, big budget movies for nearly 40 years, and he STILL can't act. You would think, with all that practice, he would have improved at least a little. Nope. Consistently terrible.
Dude, Richard Starky is the real name of Ringo Starr of the Beatles!! That would be AWESOME if he were president!!
Hell yea I agree!
If only...
@@kyliethelittlespider-mangirl94 Thank you. Just really surprised @Cinematic Excrement didn't know that.
No.
Ringo Star is British which disqualifies him
I was in this movie as an extra. It was quite the experience getting to meet Costner and Patton. We knew something was up when we were shooting a scene that involved all of the extras and took half the day to set up....and someone asked, “where are the cameras?” As for the scene with the Sound of Music, that was the funnest night of shooting even though I was freezing my ass off.
Did you know beforehand that you were going to be in a Costner movie? Why did it take so long to set up that scene?
Owie40 we all knew it was a Costner movie. They did a big casting call and my friend also was hired. Costner was huge in Tucson, Arizona since he kinda wined and dined everyone when he shot Tin Cup here. The shot in question was all of the Holnists were on a cliff, doing this weird ass dance. We were told there would be multiple cameras but I just remember the helicopter fly by being the only shot. The experience was fun, but the production was something of a train wreck at every level. Since we only did the scenes at the Holnist camp, we didn’t know how off the rails it was going in Oregon.
I envy you sir , sounds like a once in a lifetime event
@@TheOne5872-n3n it was fun to say the least. But it was a rough three weeks. We had professional extras on set and they were kinda high and mighty around us non union plebs. 🤣🤣 truthfully I wish I could do it again.
I've worked on a number of productions that have had those issues. It's not uncommon.
I remember that Simpsons episode when Lisa Simpson was in the mall and she saw that cut out picture of Kevin Costner and she was like oh Kevin Costner he tries so hard. And then Kevin Costner stepped out from behind a TV and was like thank you. And I don't know what I was thinking a guy walking around with a bag of mail .📪📪📪📭📭📭
...Shit. I just got war memories from that episode...
That was a funny gag.
@@wstine79 I guess you're right.
The Postman is an amazing movie and will always be a classic.
This is actually Costner's third post apocalyptic movie. He also appeared in the 1983 movie Testament that's about life in a small town after a nuclear war.
It's 10 pm here in Finland.
I should get some sleep.
Oh, what the heck.
Bring it on, Sean!
Sama
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@@juhaniaho6698 Turust
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What's crazy is the plot thread of having Costner impregnate another woman makes another appearance in "Waterworld".
If Olivia Williams (Abby) asked me to get her pregnant I don't think I'd turn down that first rate piece of ass, LOL. ✌️O.o
Costner's seed is just *that* awesome!
In David Brin's novel of the same title which is the basis for this movie, the title character does have a name: Gordon Krantz.
3:51 At least in the movie The Bodyguard, Kevin Costner wasn't just called the bodyguard, his character's name was Frank Farmer.
That wasn't post-apocalyptic though
Kevin Costner is one of those actors who seems good as long as he looks the part. When he was young, he looked like a Naval officer hence he was monocromatically good in" No Way Out". As he got older he looks weathered enough to play a hill person, cowboy etc. He can't perform a role he has to disappear in. And one thing he can't seem to get rid of: he's got a look in his eyes and a slight smirk that lets everyone know he is doing you a fucking favor by letting you look at him. Love your channel!!!
I went back and rewatched Dances With Wolves recently (as I really enjoyed it when it came out), and it really struck me, like a punch in the face, how _terrible_ his acting was. He just got a lot of really good actors around him.
I can't stand Costner in any movie (even in Field of Dreams and Untouchables I thought he was wooden), but Dances With Wolves is the most egregious example because he did such a great job directing it. He belongs behind the camera, not in front of it.
@coolnerdlll6053 Yep. I've never seen a movie he's been in where he didn't stick out like a sore thumb. Even Prince of Thieves, which I enjoy for the campiness of it all.
Wait, the oceans completely dried up and there is almost no impact on the climate ? Where did all that water go? How do they even have rain or drinking water? ????
At no point in the film does it state the oceans have dried up.
@@tonyetchells6051 I may have misunderstood something then, sorry
No, you're right, remember he needed all the water for Waterworld. I'm here all week.
Feels like a plot point that was left on the cutting room floor.
apparently, Richard Starkey is Ringo Star's real name!
In ten years you'll be addressing the "prophetic" nature of Waterworld
More like in fifty years when the ice caps finally give way.
Then I will build a seafront mansion and have a nice view of Arizona Bay.
The Postman and Waterworld are guilty pleasures of mine. I love them both. 🤷♂️
"The movie that Hollywood doesn't want you to see, which was distributed by Disney"
I'm pretty sure Song of the South was several decades too early to be nominated for a Razzy
Surely you mean "too LATE".
No, believe it or not, the next film is even worse. Not in terms of political correctness, but quality.
@@gageperuti5519 Considering how screwed up the Razzies are, I wouldn't put it past them to nominate a good movie like SotS.
Yes, SotS is a good movie, and I'm still campaigning for Disney to release it on Blu-ray.
Gage Peruti Also, it features HARVEY WEINSTEIN as a private detective.
I guess it’s no surprise that Weinstein is in this DISNEY film, since Disney bought his company Miramax in 1993.
@@gageperuti5519 What movie are you talking about?
The Postman came out on Christmas Day 1997 and was DESTROYED by critics (Rotten Tomatoes score - 8%) and audiences (made $20 million against its $80 million budget) for its pretentiousness and being overly long.
It was nominated for, and “won”, 5 Razzies for:
• Worst Picture - The Postman
• Worst Director - Kevin Costner
• Worst Actor - Kevin Costner
• Worst Screenplay - Brian Helgeland (he also won the Oscar for the L.A. Confidential screenplay the same year and accepted the Razzie in person) and Eric Roth
• Worst Original Song - The Entire Song Score
But, despite this, Costner still defends this movie with all of his heart and spirit saying this: "I always thought it was a really good movie! I always thought I probably started it wrong. I should have said something like “once upon a time.” Because it was just like a modern-day fairy tale - it wraps itself up with a storybook ending with the statue. You know, I thought it was a pretty funny movie set against the idea of a Superman - somebody stepping up. But in this case, it’s a very humble guy who's nothing but a liar [laughs] - delivers mail and burns half of it just to stay alive. So, I like the movie."
The Postman is a great movie. One of my favourite movies and it was also a favourite of my grandfather who passed away in June, he thought it was a good futuristic drama. I got Kevin Costner's autograph because of The Postman. It's not a bad movie.
I agree. And the reviewers foray into US politics was strange too.
@@darktower0603 *This* was Worst Picture? In the same year Batman and Robin, Mortal Kombat: Annihilation, Alien: Resurrection and Speed 2: Cruise Control came out? Bullshit!
@@darktower0603 if you hate America and think it’s a country filled with racists it makes sense you dislike any movie with a cis white male
@@tahkilla Oh don't go there.
A movie where America is in shambles and a crazy leader wants to dismantle the Postal Service which brings back hope? Did Kevin Costner sure did predict the future with this movie?
Will Patton is a more handsome Trump in this film.
Okay first The Unusual Suspect uploads a new video, and now a new Cinematic Excerment comes out. Are these late birthday presents for me?
Also, years later, Kojima would make a version of this story with his signature weirdness known as Death Stranding.
Brian Helgeland, the writer of this movie won the Razzie for worst screenplay.
The very next night Helgeland also won the Oscar for best adapted screenplay for "L.A. Confidential".
To this very day, he keeps both those trophies on the very same shelf, as a reminder of Hollywood's fickleness.
I always liked Colin Quinn's review of The Postman on Saturday Night Live's Weekend Update. The movie poster appeared onscreen and, after a brief pause, Mr. Quinn said,
"Acting.
No more directing.
No more producing.
No more writing.
Acting."
Fallout New Vegas the movie.
Lol, True. Also, Borderlands and Bioshock are now on Switch.
Fabio Moreira no this what hideo kojima remake of
@@teddyfurstman1997 another VERY cool is Six String Samurai
More like Fallout '76 all things considered...
Although, with the film's poor quality, it's more like Fallout 76.
I honestly didn't know people regarded this as a bad movie. I enjoyed it.
I've never clicked on a video so fast before.
Where I live, wherever that is, in the 1980's we had a car dealership called Ford Lincoln Mercury. That's funny.
The Only thing funny in this movie is Tom Petty and that Ringo Starr as President joke. Because The Beatles and Tom Petty are Awesome. Also, "Poor Kevin Cosner, he tried so hard." - Lisa Simpson. I was born in 1997 tho.
I must be an idiot but I didn't hate this movie.
You ain't!
For native Americans Dances With Wolves was also post apocalyptic.
Good point
Unfortunately,very sad.
@tim conway And there's the inevitable trumpkin! "Oh, some non-whites suffered? Lemme just throw in some completely irrelevant whataboutism because I have a hollow noggin and a soft tiny mushroom!"
ScreamingScallop right, because only Trumpkins make fun of Warren. Sure, using it to respond to Native genocide is a little unnecessary, I still get a good chuckle out of that, and I’m a Bernie supporter.
Never thought of it that way...but true.
Also fun fact, screenwriter Brian Helgeland took home the Worst Screenplay Razzie for this, but the following night also added a Best Adapted Screenplay Oscar to his haul for 'LA Confidential'. Also, thank goodness Olivia Williams had 'Rushmore' the following year to make up for being in this. Co-writer Eric Roth also said the movie was originally supposed to be two hours but Costner demanded Helgeland bloat it out to three.
Regarding 'Dances With Wolves', Costner was originally only supposed to direct but took up the lead role after Viggo Mortensen dropped out.
He saved his career, years later, it took off when Stuart Townsend idiotically turned down LOTR, for Queen of the Damned because he didn't want to shoot in NZ, whoops.
how would humans, as complex, water-dependent organism's exist without water? also horses and lions? dammit
There's also the small issue of everything not being on fire to consider.
Still to come:
An Alan Smithee Film: Burn Hollywood Burn
Wild Wild West
Freddy Got Fingered
Swept Away
Gigli
Dirty Love
Basic Instinct 2
I Know Who Killed Me
The Love Guru
Movie 43
The Emoji Movie
Holmes & Watson
Cats
wait, and nobody could tell he was liying when he said the president was RICHARD STARKEY!!, RINGO STARR!!, the drummer of THE BEATLES!!!???.
that screams "I'M MAKING THIS UP!!!".
did people forget about music in the post apocalypse?.
No JoJo references to be found here!
I think that narration for wolves is just fine. It's a soldier talking so he is very monotone and very direct and to the point. It makes sense he talks like that.
I've always interpreted Costner's 'wooden' narration in Dances With Wolves as being the lead character reading back what he had written in his journal. I thought it worked. Anyone else interpret his narration that way?
Same here. Considering he was writing a journal as the movie progressed, I don’t know how anyone could _not_ notice.
It was obvious to me too. It wasn't meant to be a narration in the usual sense.
I don't think that's a very good excuse. His voiceover was still awful. A lot of actors would have been able to make the journal entries sound like great narration.
This was the most California review yet.
@Captain Brandon Punk & Horror Lover Must be nice being privileged and not having to care about politics.
@Captain Brandon Punk & Horror Lover Film has nothing to do with politics? BWAH HAH HAH HAH! Are you serious? Have you ever heard of the Hays Code? Blacklisting? Of course, you idiots think that the mere existence of women in a film is a political statement so...
I guess @captian Brandon punk &horror lover must have been canceled lol
I think "Testament" was when Costner lost his apocalyptic film theme virginity. If you haven't seen "Testament", do it. It's chilling.
Just got done watching Testament, holy shit, great post apocalyptic flick. 🤘😎
11:45 "By the way, how is your sex life?"
The "Bad Mumps" is a super strain of Mumps that kills off the other Mumps and gains their powers. So by the time this guy got the Bad Mumps, he was more or less infected by The Kurgan of Bad Mumps.
Now, the only way to counteract the Bad Mumps is with infection by the aforementioned Good Mumps. The Good Mumps fight the Bad Mumps for ultimate bodily Mumps Supremacy.
Now, there can be only one Mumps. Should The Good Mumps win, then you just become sterile, that and you can either read everybody's mind at the same time or none at all. But the Good Mumps will let you pick once.
Should The Bad Mumps win...you go blind and everything you eat tastes like pennies.
I hope this clarifies the Mumps debacle. No need to thank me. I'm just doing Kevin Costner's work for him, because that bastard clearly refuses to do it himself.
Hate to tell you this, but 25 years ago "bad mumps" aka "testicular inflamation caused by mumps" was considered common knowledge. It was one of the best known causes for male infertility.
Thank you for being here!! You and other TH-cam channels help me keep my sanity somewhat...lol..seriously thank you!!!!!
"They weren't bad, but nothing to write home about"
Hey-oooh!
This is not a good remake of Il Postino, or a good prequel to The Postman Always Rings Twice.
NC briefly mentioned The Postman in his Waterworld review once. I never saw The Postman, and now I see why.
I kind of liked the idea of nobody remembering the Beatles well enough to say, "Richard Starkey? That's Ringo Starr's real name!"
Nobody knew that John Bonham was Led Zeppelin's drummer, until his sudden death, when the band stopped touring cold turkey.
Liked just for the warning message.
Did you not watch Going Postal based on the book by the late Sir Terry Pratchett? That was some dramatic mail pick up
Did anybody get the pun that probably was unintentional. The Postman in a "Post" apocalypse America. Anyway I live in Oregon so no jokes.
6:36 You mean Ringo Starr?
Mumps do indeed cause sterility. Another great video, absolutely loving this series.
2:11 …Suddenly you sound like Renegade Cut on sleeping pills. I laughed.
You’ve got mail...it’s a spam letter. Of course.
I like spam. Especially eggs, bacon, toast and spam.
The Postman sure did cap off one of the worst years Warner Bros. ever had at the box office. Which did include Batman and Robin.
And the next year,they had The avengers starring Ralph Fiennes and Uma Thurman. Good luck they had Matrix in 1999
@@1997residente the Devil’s Advocate was a hit though
One of my guiltiest of movie pleasures.
16:43 you could dump the whole review and just put this brilliant statement, spoken with perfect articulation, on a loop for 10 hours straight.
Costner's fetish comes up in waterworld too, some guy offers him his daughter or whatever
You owe Kevin Costner an apology! LOL!
I literally said "Yes..." when I got this notification. :D
Me too
You forgot to discuss whether this deserved to be the worst. Considering it was against critical punching bags like “Batman & Robin” and “Speed 2”, it would be interesting to see how you thought “The Postman” compared.
RIP Tom Petty. Yet another Floridian killed by opiods.
And he was one of the few Floridians that was not a complete nutjob, I’ve heard nothing but lovely things about him :’(
How RiffTrax hasn't covered the Postman or Lady in the Water yet is mind-boggling to me.
Funny how both movies are ridiculous and self-indulgent messes.
This is legitimately one of my favorite movies. It gets tons of crap, but Kevin Costner made the second and third best post apocalyptic sci-fi movies ever.
And the book was amazing too.
I don't understand why people hate this movie and Waterworld they are both such a good movies
This film was ahead of its time
This is a documentary on mail-in voting
Alan Smithee (1969-1998) was a filmmaker, born and raised in Hollywood, who was infamous for making terrible movies. Tune in next episode of Cinematic Excrement, where The Smeghead will review the movie...
...that killed Alan Smithee.
I liked this movie until the end when everything went back to normal. The lion makes sense to me. Zoos exist now and if the world goes to shit the animals might could escape.
Richard Starkey is Ringo Starr of the Beatles real name. That's probably a nudge.
im not even american i gotta call this out, singing a patriotic song is NOT being jingoistic, it is supposed to invoke the feeling of pride in your nation, Jingoism is to elevate patriotism to overzelous assumed superiority above all others, it is specifically racist by nationality, NOTHING in this film does that, its supposed to remind people that the point of the project that is the USA is the push for individual rights and freedom from tyranny etc, as people seek to dismantle your country in the name of supposed 'systemic oppression' you might do well to remember that the USA never claimed to be perfect, it only pledged to strive towards it, accusing every display of patriotism of being jingoistic is to pretend that america itself is racist and if that were true then every american would be too
I believe both "The Postman" and "Waterworld" released horrible edits with extended scenes about being alone for a real long time. I believe better edits could make both movies somewhat watchable, but neither movie really deserves anymore time spent on it.
I can’t even watch TH-cam reviewer who makes fun of bad movies without being fed politics. Listen I don’t like republicans, I don’t like democrats but this is the exact reason why division is everywhere now. You can’t watch a sporting event, a movie, tv show, TH-cam reviewer, etc. without being bombarded with extreme ideologies. With that being said, I still enjoy your videos just please can I have a moment of escapism?
I agree
If you want escapism, don't watch a review of a movie with political message. Reviewing this movie without out pointing out some of the modern contex would be ignoring most of the movie. If you want to stick your head into the sand, you are free to do so, but don't complain that others aren't providing the sand.
Reena Setälä see the real problem is people like you who would find political meaning in everything and all of a sudden is an expert in politics, the economy, foreign relations, US and world history, etc. yeah I think that I don’t have to turn everything into us vs them and want the government to fix my life so go stick your head in your ass
Isaac Baranoff so what?! Surprise, surprise he is turning his book into modern day politics too. That is my point!
david_ kg1984 Or maybe it’s history just repeating itself.
Lots of dystopian, post apocalyptic novels have political themes. Get over it! 😡
I like your reviews, but your jabs at current political situations using your own biases is nauseating and eye rolling.
Yeah. I watch these to hear him rip bad movies to shreds, not be lectured on how I'm the scum of the Earth for voting for someone he didn't like
I way the whole thing. It's boring pace is kinda relaxing.
lol if it seems wild that the postal service would be so active in making the new government then you need to refresh your revolutionary war history knowledge
You not wearing a mask in this video gave me covid. Congrats!
That’s not funny! Plus, he’s inside his own house!
@@beethovensfidelio Suck it.
You say you have no idea why Kevin Costner was nominated for best actor for Dances With Wolves. What do you expect from the same organisation that didn't give best picture to Goodfellas and best director to Martin Scorsese for Goodfellas.
Yeah, he's directed more bad films, The Last Temptation of Christ, The Age of Innocence, Casino, Kundun, Silence, than Kevin Costner has directed, TOTAL.