Also, it is important to clarify that yes, Glossaryk created all members of the Magic High Commition, that combined with the fact that he is all knowing basicly shows that he is God.
In my opinion, what really made the wand that strong, was the generations upon generations that used it. Of course, it was still really strong right after being created, but I think it got stronger and stronger with each princess that used it.
@@RazorPlayGamesThe wand doesn't get stronger, it simply allows the user to channel the magic around them into spells. The proficiency of the user is what varies.
What Glossyrick said about Toffee "I'm sure Toffee had a reason for what he did" then when Toffee explains "you were making that stupid hat so I snapped your arm" to where Glossyrick says "ok not the best reason but it doesn't mean he has to keep doing it". This to me could resemble what Toffee did in the actual show, Toffee had a reason for doing what he did to Star, and it made sense to him, even though others didn't agree, and although Toffee had the right idea about monster and Mewman rights he executed his plan poorly involving murder of Comet and Star, but however it doesn't mean Toffee has to keep being a bad guy, he could change if he wants to just like Glossyrick said.
Glossaryck created all the members of the Magic High Comission so he is their father. Renaldo retired from the Magic High Comission after one of the old Mewni Queens Rhina the Riddled curse him to only speak in riddles. Also Renaldo is also another instance of something show in the Magic Book of Spells and later appearing in the show. Solaria's crystal breaker spell is looking more and more likely.
Everyone's putting their hot takes on Meteora's memories being back. So, let me tell you mine. I would honestly prefer Meteora not to have her old memories. She's going down the path she deserves now that she's a Princess and a Butterfly. Those memories are from the path where her life just kept getting worse and worse for her. She only deserves this second chance.
^This. She didn't deserve what happened to her. She definitely deserves a fresh start like this. _I hope they're only having her not like Marco as a reoccurring gag, and nothing else._
From this episode, it doesn't seem she still has the memories. My interpretation of the Marco hatred is, just a running gag and, in the context of the show, a remaining piece of her old self, but in an unconscious way.
Emerald Espeon right and people are just saying that because she hates Marco nooooo I think she doesn’t remember but she just hates him but maybe she will like him later on
He calls Glossaryk Old man so he knew him when he was young (proven here) and seems not at all surprised by Glossy’s shenanigans so I would guess as much
I think it causes the future when they go back. Also I’m glad Meteora is getting a second chance. She really deserves it. And I think my theory of her still being evil is debunked in this episode.
Okay. Sorry for the third comment, but I feel this is important. People think Toffee got a new voice actor. His voice actor, Michael C. Hall, although not directly stated voicing Toffee in the credits, in the “Additional Voices” section, his name can be seen. So, it's just the same voice actor doing a higher voice or something to make Toffee sound younger.
This isn't going back to in time to change things. It's called a time loop. Glossaryck was ALWAYS going to go back in time to make the wand and piss/motivate off toffee further, we just now got to see how it happened (through time travel). He didn't change anything, that's how it has always been. It's a very unusual way to handle time travel in stories because USUALLY time travel does involve changing things, but instead, the present always reflected what was going to be 'changed' in the past to begin with, hence the name time "loop". Confusing, I know. This is how Homestuck handles it (a good comic go read it). Hopefully, this clears up the confusion. unless i'm wrong and he did change something, but it seems like the present already reflects and accounted for Glossaryck going back in time.
They DO go back in actual time, but nothing is actually changing, because it has all already happened. When we see Glossaryck create the wand, that doesn't change the future into something different, it just causes the future to happen the way it does. So as far as I am aware, there's no alternate timelines at play here.
Also, list of toffee references/ things that make me think he’s coming back: - star references going to the realm of magic to find her mom, AND to fight toffee, which are two completely unrelated incidents. - glossaryk says ‘the things you miss when you’re dead’ when he’s been alive for a year at LEAST. - glossaryk says that he doesn’t work for Eclipsa. He could still be working for the last owner of the book, which was toffee (but could just be because the books gone) - glossaryk says that defeating toffee was a mistake - moon references Ludo, and out of everything she references, it’s Ludo saying ‘turns out you’re dead’ which he says after KILLING TOFFEE ALSO: someone found storyboards, or at least character refs/models, and one of them was Toffee, with long hair, BUT THE FRONT IS SLICKED BACK, NOT STICKING OUT. So he must be making another appearance, at least in flashback.
I honestly think Glossaryck's only going back in time to keep the timeline stable; to make sure the first settlers of Mewni got their magic, to make sure Toffee wanted to keep the war going, all that sort of stuff. I don't actually think he's changing anything; quite the opposite. He's making sure things stay the way they are.
We finally got to see our diety Raptor back in action. Even though he has not reached that rank at this stage of life yet. But seriously, the fact that he and Gloss had more converstions is kinda dangerous. A really interesting fact is that Gloss said he came to teach Young Raptor God a lesson, so what is that lesson exactly, how dangerous magic is? On a side note: Glossaryck's comment on Meteora that she shouldn't have kids feels like an actual piece of advice....
Glossy created the Butterfly family lineage and gave them magic. He had a hand in Mewmans settling the land. He drove Toffee to "go rogue" when Mewmans and Monsters were about to sign the treaty. And, in the present, he's training Meteora, future Queen, to do magic without the wand. Glossy pretty much is driving Mewny's history.
Okay. Blue. Please re-read the Magic Book of Spells. It tells you who Reynaldo is, The MHC's origins, and the classify The Queen's Rule by their cheek marks. “The Age of Butterflies” being Butterfly cheek marks. Comet Butterfly: Moon's mother.
I'm pretty sure the trip back in time wasn't to create a new timeline, but to maintain a stable time Loop. We don't have a lot of context into what motivates toffee at this point in time, and we also have no idea why he was able to learn the soul draining spell within seconds of accessing the wand through Ludo, after this episode we have a little more ideas as to where both of those points go They were always destined to go back in time, they just needed to make it happen. It's Prisoner of Azkaban rules
Poor Reynaldo, hard to believe he actually hates riddles, isn't it. The only reason he even talks in riddles is because Rhina the Riddled accidentally cursed him to not only like riddles, but also to only be able to speak in riddles. That's why he was forced to retire from the Magic High Commission.
Someone made a good point in a podcast about how Cornball’s “leave it to the next generation to fix things” attitude kinda absolves the adults of needing to take any active responsibility for their prejudice, and how treating both monsters and mewmans as equally unreasonable is a bit problematic given the metaphor and historical context within the show. I’m hoping future episodes expand more and don’t let the adults off the hook so easy. ON ANOTHER NOTE: I dunno *what* that little finger thing Marco and Kelly did at 1:35 was but it was adorable as fuck.
so glossaryck was super cryptic in the way he taught the newer butterflies but is super kind and caring towards meteora. Glossaryck didn't like the fake butterflies confirmed???
He was crying when Moon's mother was killed, saying "I really liked her, too". Maybe it's more like he adapts to every students: Star was a happy-go-lucky teen, Ludo was a jerk with daddy issues, Meteora is a litteral toddler... He acts differently with every one of them (he also says that he had a different teaching method with Moon)
As for all the time travel shenanigans in this episode, to me it seems like it was neither changing the past or an alternate dimension, but simply causing the past to happen exactly like it needed to. Glossaryck is pretty much almost all powerful, and he seems to know exactly how the future will play out, so going back in time and making sure that things happen like they’re supposed to seems like something he’d do.
That's actually right about the Commission. According to the Magic Book of Spells that I purchased from a book store, Glossaryck fell in love with, well, himself. And their love created Reynaldo as well as Rhombulus, Heckapoo, Omnitraxus, and even Lekmet.
I love how Meteora's reaction to hearing about Toffee breaking Glossaryck's arm was to enter an aggressive fighting stance. Maybe Star and Marco had a lasting influence.
I think the Toffee we know of today is the way he is BECAUSE Glossaryck went back in time with Meteora and she did that to him. That may be the moment in which he became truly determined to wipe magic away forever. That would mean that Glossaryck caused Toffee to do the things he did. It probably also gave Toffee credibility; the entire crowd there witnesses what happened to him and knew the "threat" of magic firsthand. So right away he had followers who agreed with him, and helped his influence grow to the point of having his own army. I think the time travel rule of you can't change the past is at work here; all of the things he did have already happened and the events we saw in the show are the results of those actions. In other words, this whole thing is one huge causality loop (which would probably explain why Glossaryck seems to know everything that will happen).
7:39 It's Raptor Angst Man Also, Reynaldo used to be on the High Commission but one of the former princesses accidentally made Reynaldo only speak in riddles, which got him removed from his position
Yes, tecnically, Glossaryck is dad of Hekapoo, Lekmet, Rombulus and Omnitraxus too, cuz he created them, in the book of spells theres a chapter about that.
So, I don't really like the fact that they just kind of glanced over the origins of the wand and the first settlers. I feel like that should have been a lot bigger of a deal. Also, I feel like the presented young Raptor God Man wanting to kill Comet because of the events witnessed and all, but it was obvious it would have happened no matter what. He already had his values set in motion, he was already the "boss". I got the impression that the time travel literally did nothing to Toffee, motivation wise, and it seemed semi-pointless. though we got to see god so I am okay with it
A big theory video? I'll look forward to it! Also, the synopses for the next two episodes have been released. I won't say anything for those who want to stay completely blind, but they do seem like they're gonna be pretty fun episodes (if not complete and utter death - nothing is certain tbf)
I’m pretty sure they were going back in time and affecting the timeline of their own dimension. Remember, only Father Time, and now apparently Reynaldo, can travel back and forth through time with passengers. Space-time and dimensional time is Omnitraxus Prime’s domain.
Seem like the first settlers of Mewni are actually human pilgrims (hence the outfits). They probably accidentally ventured into the land of magic... like how Moon and Star went to different worlds through those golden waterfalls.... what if they are the Roanoke Colony that went missing... and maybe they came from that blocked well Moon touched.
It seems svtfoe falls under kind of deterministic time travel rules. where the time travelers *always* went back in time, whichis part of the circomstanses that allowed them to travel back in the first place. Glossy *always* was the one who gave the Mewman's the wand like that. and due to Glossarycks omnipotence he probably knew he's one day from the future come back to give it to them. Just like Toffee *always* encountered Meteora and had he's biases confirmed
"Either they just changed the timeline or that's some alternate timeline" Well, it could also be a kind of "what happened happened" thing like LOST where Glosseric fucking with the past is already factored into the current timeline being the way it is.
In the book of spells it kinda explains the first queen and the whole story on how she got there and where she came from and talks about more stuff that happen in this episode
Heres something think about, first off, it's been shown Glossy (I can't for the life of me spell his name right now) was a bad father twice before this episode. His taunting Rhombulus AND his behavior when Ludo was treating him like a father figure. Now, since it's been proven two members of the MHC have daddy issues, I can bet the rest do too.
OR C, they made a temporary loop (You know, that thing where all the things they did in the past had to happen, so coming to the past was already planned, since they had to go to that past and fulfill what they had to do, so that the line of time would continue its course) explaining how the first queen of mewni got her wand and began the reign. And they also reinforce toffee's ideas about magic.
Those two episodes told 90% of what has been going on with Mewni history and ppl can't grasp what they were shown. At the end of Meteora's Lesson, Glosseryk takes off a fake arm. His arm was never broke. That means Toffee broke a fake arm or lied. The episode pointed out that the conflict has never been about Mewmans and monsters, but about magic use and no magic. Toffee corrupted magic and stopped magic, but Star brought it back. But way back then, Toffee was against magic. Now think on this. What did Glosseryk AND Toffee drive home to Meteora? Answer: the broke arm. It was like, I got a broke arm, Meteora's lesson on how to break an arm, he's the one who broke my arm, maybe I should break your other arm. Glosseryk had a fake arm on. Meteora got manipulated. Toffee, the one who wants to end magic, is established as a bad guy to Meteora, who has magic. The conflict is established for the next generation. So, all the work to bring unity to Mewmans and monsters is not the solution to the conflict, since that isn't the problem. The racism is just a by product. Glosseryk said magic is in good hands. Star lost the spell book and destroyed the wand. Toffee almost won. Magic wasn't in good hands with Star.
Ronaldo is... I don't think "cursed" is the right word but a spell caused him to speak in only riddles i know this cuz i read the book of spells..... Theres one for sale.... Edit: theres six different types of dipping down heres the list 1. Envy 2. Anger 3. Frustration 4. Betrayal 5. love 6. Protection (of another)
Everything in this episode 1. Glossaryck married himself and made his children MHC(magical high commission) 2. I think he is teaching her how to deep down-dip down because she is over like 300 years old and maybe a fight will happen 3. If Toffee returns idk what will happen but if he sees Meteora he’s definitely gonna think I met her before, I seen her before. 4.the people who were on the boat I guess they were the butterfly family came from Earth got exposed too magic I know half of the story didn’t feel like typing it 5. In the book of spells it explains the first queen and also the giraffe guy Festivia hated him and the riddle queen hated him she was the one put cursed him to only speak riddles 6. I think meteora is the source to make mewmans and monsters get along
Love seeing your thoughts on the episodes. :) I'm thinking Glossaryck was referring to Star going to the magic dimension, not actually defeating Toffee. Of course, I may be wrong, but it seems like the magic dimension isn't a place for folks to visit as it has potential to screw everything up.
I literally watched the episode on demand five minutes before I noticed this uploaded, and upon seeing Raptor God Teen I immediately thought of you before realizing *OMG IT'S TOFFEE HE'S BACK DEAR GOD* Also bring Reynaldo back please. Let him be important please. -Sadly Glossaryck left his son so Karen can't be memed in-
It seems no alternative timeline neither parallel universes. Most like a stable timeloop. So, the acts of Glossarick that we have seen in this episodes it will occure on the past of the timelime we know, because as a loop, both, past and future, are shared in the same timeline.
In the other post, I said we were given 90% of what has happened in Mewni. The 10% is still unknown. Such as, who really were the ppl in the boat and how did they get there? Did Glosseryk tell them who they were, or who he wanted them to be? Glosseryk had a history book. He "gave" them a back story, then gave them magic. Did the same thing happen with the monsters. Did they get a back story of living there for generations and that magic users are here to kill and steal? The conflict between Toffee and Glosseryk seems to have been going on for a long time. Are they both in on the game, or is Toffee legitimately trying to stop magic? In Mewni Independence episode, Marco pointed out that the monsters were greatly out matched, with the Mewmans using magic and super soldiers. The battle lines have been Mewmans on one side and monsters on the other, since Mewmans had the magic. This caused the by product of racism, but racism isn't what the whole fight is about. Glosseryk is keeping magic use going and Toffee trying to stop it. Is it all a game for their amusement? Is each side actually trying to win? Knowing the truth about the ppl in the boat will clear a lot up. The future queen has been taught who the enemy is and all the young Mewman and monster children, playing cornball, in unity, will have to choose sides, and fight a battle, when they grow up. The magic vs no magic conflict has been established for them.
52/62 - When I started this show I was blind and didn't notice these plot holes, but now is want a season 5 but only to fill holes, and I can't leave this show
Gloserick created all the members of the high comision so technically there his children and Reynold was mentioned in the book of spells festiva described him as "boring" and its theorized that the original mewman colonist were actually transported from earth as seen by there clothing Gloserick did not change the timeline he created it he was the original start of mewmi and the royal family he was the final push for young toffe to actual fight the magic and the royal family he was probobly still under seth maybe even the prince of the septarist and the leader of septarsis rebel group so before they were a united group i believe septarians were basically wimps and it was seths and toffe leadership that inspired the septarians which inturn lead to the the monster rebelion.
I think Glossarick is kinda the omnipotent force in this show. Like everything he interacts with and everything he says or does makes magic come out on top. Even when hes being a goof i get the feeling hes being that way so that the people around him react the way he wants them to. Glossarick did say he has no feelings, and without Toffee, Eclipsa would never have been released because moons mom would never have died.
YESSS!!! I’ve been waiting to see your reaction to Toffee!!!😆! Lol this is great. And damn, was Meteora’s/glossaryck’s actions part of what started off the timeline that is currently happening? Glossaryck giving them the wand. Was that what started everything? If he didn’t do that would they have still gotten a wand? Would the timeline have changed? Hmmm. Is Meteora harming Toffee like that what made him even more wary of magic? Maybe it made him even more cautious and serious about magic. So that after that he didn’t underestimate it as much as he did even with their regeneration. Though yeah he was still cocky until Moon used that spell during the war. He gave up a bit after that. Though it seemed to be a bit more of a tactical retreat/ i’ll come back even better equipped with the necessary knowledge and skill next time. Things are getting more and more interesting as the episodes go by.
OKAY, FINALLY, I CAN TALK ABOUT THIS! So, either I'm just super slow or I'm on to something, but my current theory is that Toffee's plan was to destroy all magic (EDIT: I know this is obvious during the time he was in the realm of magic and the season 3 premiere and blah blah blah, but I'm talking, like, not just to mess with the Butterflys, but to fix the world. Like, this was his plan from the beginning. Not 100% sure where his finger and all of that comes in, but...eh.). The crazier part of this theory is THAT THIS IS (maybe) A GOOD THING! Like, think about it. 1: In this episode, we see the origin of the mewmans (kinda) and how they gained magic abilities, and it seems...bad? Like, maybe it's just me, but there was a VERY negative/creepy feeling to it. 2: Magic has just opened a WHOLE can of worms throughout the story. Like, lots of stuff got messed up. 3: A lot of Star's character arc, especially early on, was surrounding dealing with problems without magic, so, like...it kinda fits into that??? Kinda?????? Now, my main question going forward is what's Glossaryck's role in this. Does he want magic destroyed? Does he want it protected (possibly by Meteora)? Is he even, like, his own person with his own thoughts and feelings, or is he just a personification of the book or magic or...I'm very confused...
Don’t wanna alarm you Blue, the the title for the series finale was released. “Cleaved”. Remember what Glossirick said at the end of season 1? “ You can cleave something Together, or you can cleave something apart”. Panic time?
And I would belive that Glossaryc set toffee up against magic, and as Glossarick is a time Lord who is stagnant in every time constant. He is in the now, the ago, and the forward. And conscious of all time at all times. He is the father of A Time Traveling Guy apparently. That might mean smthn? I just thinm he is consious of time in the forward and the past and present and he is all knowing of all of time because he is there. Knowing everything that will and was.
Can’t wait for that theory video then. Blue is the theory boi, he’s the one who....figures out.....the things...that the....story...and the......things........... 😐
I'm pretty sure that they didn't change anything. This is how it happened in the first place. It's a paradox. For example they can have a Glossaryck come back from the future and tell Star something in the present and that doesn't mean he changed Stars future, it just means that, that event was supposed to happen and that there is no other future were star didn't meet the future Glossaryck. This also explains why he is always calm and is never worried about ruining the past, because whatever he does it's already supposed to happen in order for the present to be the way it is. This is also a biased opinion, since I personally think that Glossaryck is some sort of cured god or something. He said in the past that he doesn't have "wants" he just has a job. To train the future queens of Mewni. Why does he have this "job"? Cuz if we say that he is just preparing for some future threat, that doesn't make sense since we all know that he is the most powerful being on the show. Anyway I could talk for hours and still have other things to say so I'll stop here =))
The creation of the Wand is cost by Bootstrap Paradox and the timeline effect them at the present that gone to the past which the present already happen by Bootstrap Paradox already.
They didn't change things, it's just a time loop. They ALWAYS went back in time. All that stuff already happened throughout history by the time the show starts, it's just that Meteora and Glossaryck don't do that until this episode. They did go back in time, but they didn't change anything. They just played out the events they were supposed to back then. As for "The Great Monster Massacre" scene, that had nothing to do with his memories I don't think. Toffee was just getting pissed that Buff Frog was actually doing good and not getting killed or nothing on that mission. I think that the "raptor" guys always had regeneration. It was just a training session he seemed to be running. It's not like a person wants to just chop their own arm off to see. One theory I've been tossing around in my head ever since the "maybe that was a mistake too" line, is that (and I hope this won't be the case), maybe Glossaryck thinks that magic should just simply not exist anymore. Like, that's what Toffee's plans seemed to be leading to. All magic was stopping and being warped into himself. He clearly does not like magic in the past and has only ever seemed to be distasteful towards it. If Glossaryck was saying it might have been a mistake to kill him then maybe magic was meant to end. Like maybe it having created the universe or what-not and set everything up or the Butterfly line having done their job to a certain point had been enough for whatever magic was intended to do and Glossaryck saw Toffee as the means to cancel it out since it was no longer needed for the universe. Now I do hope that's wrong because without magic...things probably would not be as fun. And you can also poke holes in that theory with training Meteora to begin with and egging Star towards restarting magic in The Battle for Mewni. It could be that all magic was just intended to pool into one entity was the thing which Toffee would have been since he'd corrupted it all and maybe Meteora is now seen by Glossaryck as the one that could become that. Or whatever. Just things I've been thinking about.
They were causing the timeline to stay on track, give the settlers a wand was so then the kingdom of Mewni would exist and having Meteora attack Raptor God Man would be the reason for him to go rogue and kill Moon's Mom and cause everything else that we know to happen
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*_P R O F E S S I O N A L R A P T O R L O C A T E D_*
Blue Order *DESTINATION FOUND*
My favorite food is ham.
*Any big plot point happens*
Blue order “death just happened” 8:40
Did he start the whole war and butterfly family
I can’t wait until Raptor Titan Man makes his debut in the final season.
blue: stop racism
also blue: screams death at every raptor
Speciesism.
Also, it is important to clarify that yes, Glossaryk created all members of the Magic High Commition, that combined with the fact that he is all knowing basicly shows that he is God.
So God likes puddin huh...
And now God is dead...
meteora and glossaryck are the ones that gave toffee his biggest drive to kill queen comet
falling stars And Seth might also be related.
8:08 I just want to point out
Meteora
an INFANT
can *dip down*
And *suck souls*
We're all gonna die
Rip star being the youngest to ever dip down
Unless she masters her powers and don't turn evil again
well she was an adult at on point in her life, maybe mewberty was "unlocked" and it was never lost, only her memories of how to use it was
Read the comment vertically.
Matt is secretly a crow.
7:10 glossarick just casually making *the strongest relic in existence* "ok"
In my opinion, what really made the wand that strong, was the generations upon generations that used it. Of course, it was still really strong right after being created, but I think it got stronger and stronger with each princess that used it.
@@RazorPlayGamesThe wand doesn't get stronger, it simply allows the user to channel the magic around them into spells. The proficiency of the user is what varies.
What Glossyrick said about Toffee "I'm sure Toffee had a reason for what he did" then when Toffee explains "you were making that stupid hat so I snapped your arm" to where Glossyrick says "ok not the best reason but it doesn't mean he has to keep doing it".
This to me could resemble what Toffee did in the actual show, Toffee had a reason for doing what he did to Star, and it made sense to him, even though others didn't agree, and although Toffee had the right idea about monster and Mewman rights he executed his plan poorly involving murder of Comet and Star, but however it doesn't mean Toffee has to keep being a bad guy, he could change if he wants to just like Glossyrick said.
Glossaryck created all the members of the Magic High Comission so he is their father. Renaldo retired from the Magic High Comission after one of the old Mewni Queens Rhina the Riddled curse him to only speak in riddles.
Also Renaldo is also another instance of something show in the Magic Book of Spells and later appearing in the show. Solaria's crystal breaker spell is looking more and more likely.
Why did he create them to be racist against monsters?
@@nessesaryschoolthing Glossaryck said he made the mistake of giving them free will.
Maybe it has something to do with this.
Everyone's putting their hot takes on Meteora's memories being back. So, let me tell you mine. I would honestly prefer Meteora not to have her old memories. She's going down the path she deserves now that she's a Princess and a Butterfly. Those memories are from the path where her life just kept getting worse and worse for her. She only deserves this second chance.
^This.
She didn't deserve what happened to her. She definitely deserves a fresh start like this.
_I hope they're only having her not like Marco as a reoccurring gag, and nothing else._
From this episode, it doesn't seem she still has the memories. My interpretation of the Marco hatred is, just a running gag and, in the context of the show, a remaining piece of her old self, but in an unconscious way.
It might be some type of gut feeling
Emerald Espeon right and people are just saying that because she hates Marco nooooo I think she doesn’t remember but she just hates him but maybe she will like him later on
Anyone else find it cute the meteoria cares soo much about glossirick ❤️
RememberKWS 2013 meee
GLOSSARICK: "I think magic is in good hands"
ALSO GLOSSARICK: "Ah yes Star, let's destroy magic forever and ever" 🤦♂️
Oh hey, it's Raptor God... Hamilton.
He's looks like he's from the Revolutionary War, okay?
So does Glossaryck visit Toffee often? That’s a little dangerous right?
It would explain why Toffee knows Glossaryck well.
He calls Glossaryk Old man so he knew him when he was young (proven here) and seems not at all surprised by Glossy’s shenanigans so I would guess as much
I think it causes the future when they go back.
Also I’m glad Meteora is getting a second chance. She really deserves it. And I think my theory of her still being evil is debunked in this episode.
Okay. Sorry for the third comment, but I feel this is important. People think Toffee got a new voice actor. His voice actor, Michael C. Hall, although not directly stated voicing Toffee in the credits, in the “Additional Voices” section, his name can be seen. So, it's just the same voice actor doing a higher voice or something to make Toffee sound younger.
1:20 they grow up so fast :')
4:32 Damn Yvgeny that's so true
7:32 Raptor-BeforeGod-Man Long time no see
8:44 Blue.exe stop working
Meteora: "DA"
Eclipsa: "what's that? were you gonna say Dada?"
Meteora: "DEATH"
Eclipsa: "wha-"
Meteora: "DOMINATION!"
This isn't going back to in time to change things. It's called a time loop. Glossaryck was ALWAYS going to go back in time to make the wand and piss/motivate off toffee further, we just now got to see how it happened (through time travel). He didn't change anything, that's how it has always been. It's a very unusual way to handle time travel in stories because USUALLY time travel does involve changing things, but instead, the present always reflected what was going to be 'changed' in the past to begin with, hence the name time "loop". Confusing, I know. This is how Homestuck handles it (a good comic go read it). Hopefully, this clears up the confusion.
unless i'm wrong and he did change something, but it seems like the present already reflects and accounted for Glossaryck going back in time.
Who knew that racism would be the greatest villain of the show
They DO go back in actual time, but nothing is actually changing, because it has all already happened. When we see Glossaryck create the wand, that doesn't change the future into something different, it just causes the future to happen the way it does. So as far as I am aware, there's no alternate timelines at play here.
No alternate timelines, but one massive time paradox for sure. Suppose I shouldn't be surprised considering the beach day photo.
Also, list of toffee references/ things that make me think he’s coming back:
- star references going to the realm of magic to find her mom, AND to fight toffee, which are two completely unrelated incidents.
- glossaryk says ‘the things you miss when you’re dead’ when he’s been alive for a year at LEAST.
- glossaryk says that he doesn’t work for Eclipsa. He could still be working for the last owner of the book, which was toffee (but could just be because the books gone)
- glossaryk says that defeating toffee was a mistake
- moon references Ludo, and out of everything she references, it’s Ludo saying ‘turns out you’re dead’ which he says after KILLING TOFFEE
ALSO: someone found storyboards, or at least character refs/models, and one of them was Toffee, with long hair, BUT THE FRONT IS SLICKED BACK, NOT STICKING OUT. So he must be making another appearance, at least in flashback.
I honestly think Glossaryck's only going back in time to keep the timeline stable; to make sure the first settlers of Mewni got their magic, to make sure Toffee wanted to keep the war going, all that sort of stuff. I don't actually think he's changing anything; quite the opposite. He's making sure things stay the way they are.
We finally got to see our diety Raptor back in action. Even though he has not reached that rank at this stage of life yet.
But seriously, the fact that he and Gloss had more converstions is kinda dangerous.
A really interesting fact is that Gloss said he came to teach Young Raptor God a lesson, so what is that lesson exactly, how dangerous magic is?
On a side note: Glossaryck's comment on Meteora that she shouldn't have kids feels like an actual piece of advice....
Glossy created the Butterfly family lineage and gave them magic. He had a hand in Mewmans settling the land. He drove Toffee to "go rogue" when Mewmans and Monsters were about to sign the treaty. And, in the present, he's training Meteora, future Queen, to do magic without the wand. Glossy pretty much is driving Mewny's history.
Okay. Blue. Please re-read the Magic Book of Spells. It tells you who Reynaldo is, The MHC's origins, and the classify The Queen's Rule by their cheek marks. “The Age of Butterflies” being Butterfly cheek marks. Comet Butterfly: Moon's mother.
_I don't even _*_have_*_ the book though-_
You should though, it's a very good book with much information in it. :D
@@BlueOrder You seem to have a lot of knowledge on its contents though. Just look them up or order it. It's not much, plus it's a good read.
@@DeltaGreen03 "It's extortion, that's what it is!" - Rex from Toy Story
Def get the book. There is a lot to unpack - you could almost say the book is season 3.5
7:32 Oh my God xDDDDD i'm wheezing!! 😂😂😂
Its funny becouse the moment i saw Toffee in the episode my first reaction was "holy frick i can't wait to see blue order losing his shit" lmao
I'm pretty sure the trip back in time wasn't to create a new timeline, but to maintain a stable time Loop. We don't have a lot of context into what motivates toffee at this point in time, and we also have no idea why he was able to learn the soul draining spell within seconds of accessing the wand through Ludo, after this episode we have a little more ideas as to where both of those points go
They were always destined to go back in time, they just needed to make it happen. It's Prisoner of Azkaban rules
Poor Reynaldo, hard to believe he actually hates riddles, isn't it. The only reason he even talks in riddles is because Rhina the Riddled accidentally cursed him to not only like riddles, but also to only be able to speak in riddles. That's why he was forced to retire from the Magic High Commission.
Ain’t nothing better then monster racism
Someone made a good point in a podcast about how Cornball’s “leave it to the next generation to fix things” attitude kinda absolves the adults of needing to take any active responsibility for their prejudice, and how treating both monsters and mewmans as equally unreasonable is a bit problematic given the metaphor and historical context within the show. I’m hoping future episodes expand more and don’t let the adults off the hook so easy.
ON ANOTHER NOTE: I dunno *what* that little finger thing Marco and Kelly did at 1:35 was but it was adorable as fuck.
Blue, I think it's more of CAUSING the future
so glossaryck was super cryptic in the way he taught the newer butterflies but is super kind and caring towards meteora. Glossaryck didn't like the fake butterflies confirmed???
Glossaryk told moon that he trains every Butterfly differently, I think it was in the episode Page Turner
He was crying when Moon's mother was killed, saying "I really liked her, too". Maybe it's more like he adapts to every students: Star was a happy-go-lucky teen, Ludo was a jerk with daddy issues, Meteora is a litteral toddler... He acts differently with every one of them (he also says that he had a different teaching method with Moon)
As for all the time travel shenanigans in this episode, to me it seems like it was neither changing the past or an alternate dimension, but simply causing the past to happen exactly like it needed to. Glossaryck is pretty much almost all powerful, and he seems to know exactly how the future will play out, so going back in time and making sure that things happen like they’re supposed to seems like something he’d do.
Oh Boi better get my snacks ready for this reactshion i can only say Meteora is really terrifying 😂😂
That's actually right about the Commission. According to the Magic Book of Spells that I purchased from a book store, Glossaryck fell in love with, well, himself. And their love created Reynaldo as well as Rhombulus, Heckapoo, Omnitraxus, and even Lekmet.
I love how Meteora's reaction to hearing about Toffee breaking Glossaryck's arm was to enter an aggressive fighting stance. Maybe Star and Marco had a lasting influence.
I think the Toffee we know of today is the way he is BECAUSE Glossaryck went back in time with Meteora and she did that to him. That may be the moment in which he became truly determined to wipe magic away forever. That would mean that Glossaryck caused Toffee to do the things he did. It probably also gave Toffee credibility; the entire crowd there witnesses what happened to him and knew the "threat" of magic firsthand. So right away he had followers who agreed with him, and helped his influence grow to the point of having his own army.
I think the time travel rule of you can't change the past is at work here; all of the things he did have already happened and the events we saw in the show are the results of those actions. In other words, this whole thing is one huge causality loop (which would probably explain why Glossaryck seems to know everything that will happen).
7:39 It's Raptor Angst Man
Also, Reynaldo used to be on the High Commission but one of the former princesses accidentally made Reynaldo only speak in riddles, which got him removed from his position
Yes, tecnically, Glossaryck is dad of Hekapoo, Lekmet, Rombulus and Omnitraxus too, cuz he created them, in the book of spells theres a chapter about that.
We were so excited for his return...
Also the Kellco moment in Cornball, so sad in retrospect.
So, I don't really like the fact that they just kind of glanced over the origins of the wand and the first settlers. I feel like that should have been a lot bigger of a deal.
Also, I feel like the presented young Raptor God Man wanting to kill Comet because of the events witnessed and all, but it was obvious it would have happened no matter what. He already had his values set in motion, he was already the "boss". I got the impression that the time travel literally did nothing to Toffee, motivation wise, and it seemed semi-pointless.
though
we got to see god so I am okay with it
A big theory video? I'll look forward to it!
Also, the synopses for the next two episodes have been released. I won't say anything for those who want to stay completely blind, but they do seem like they're gonna be pretty fun episodes (if not complete and utter death - nothing is certain tbf)
I’m pretty sure they were going back in time and affecting the timeline of their own dimension. Remember, only Father Time, and now apparently Reynaldo, can travel back and forth through time with passengers. Space-time and dimensional time is Omnitraxus Prime’s domain.
Seem like the first settlers of Mewni are actually human pilgrims (hence the outfits). They probably accidentally ventured into the land of magic... like how Moon and Star went to different worlds through those golden waterfalls.... what if they are the Roanoke Colony that went missing... and maybe they came from that blocked well Moon touched.
It seems svtfoe falls under kind of deterministic time travel rules. where the time travelers *always* went back in time, whichis part of the circomstanses that allowed them to travel back in the first place. Glossy *always* was the one who gave the Mewman's the wand like that. and due to Glossarycks omnipotence he probably knew he's one day from the future come back to give it to them. Just like Toffee *always* encountered Meteora and had he's biases confirmed
7:41 Just so you know Blue, I checked and it’s the same voice actor for Toffee. Michael C Hall is still working with this show!!!
"Either they just changed the timeline or that's some alternate timeline" Well, it could also be a kind of "what happened happened" thing like LOST where Glosseric fucking with the past is already factored into the current timeline being the way it is.
In the book of spells it kinda explains the first queen and the whole story on how she got there and where she came from and talks about more stuff that happen in this episode
Raptor God Man Will Free Globgor!
I seriously wished it :'(
Heres something think about, first off, it's been shown Glossy (I can't for the life of me spell his name right now) was a bad father twice before this episode. His taunting Rhombulus AND his behavior when Ludo was treating him like a father figure.
Now, since it's been proven two members of the MHC have daddy issues, I can bet the rest do too.
Glossaryck is up to something. I'm convinced
OR C, they made a temporary loop (You know, that thing where all the things they did in the past had to happen, so coming to the past was already planned, since they had to go to that past and fulfill what they had to do, so that the line of time would continue its course) explaining how the first queen of mewni got her wand and began the reign. And they also reinforce toffee's ideas about magic.
I used to know him as toffee but ive been watching for a month now and raptor god man is all i know now
I think we all just wanted to see blue's reaction when toffe was in the episode and man he did not dissapoint
Those two episodes told 90% of what has been going on with Mewni history and ppl can't grasp what they were shown. At the end of Meteora's Lesson, Glosseryk takes off a fake arm. His arm was never broke. That means Toffee broke a fake arm or lied. The episode pointed out that the conflict has never been about Mewmans and monsters, but about magic use and no magic. Toffee corrupted magic and stopped magic, but Star brought it back. But way back then, Toffee was against magic. Now think on this. What did Glosseryk AND Toffee drive home to Meteora? Answer: the broke arm. It was like, I got a broke arm, Meteora's lesson on how to break an arm, he's the one who broke my arm, maybe I should break your other arm. Glosseryk had a fake arm on. Meteora got manipulated. Toffee, the one who wants to end magic, is established as a bad guy to Meteora, who has magic. The conflict is established for the next generation. So, all the work to bring unity to Mewmans and monsters is not the solution to the conflict, since that isn't the problem. The racism is just a by product. Glosseryk said magic is in good hands. Star lost the spell book and destroyed the wand. Toffee almost won. Magic wasn't in good hands with Star.
Ronaldo is... I don't think "cursed" is the right word but a spell caused him to speak in only riddles i know this cuz i read the book of spells..... Theres one for sale....
Edit: theres six different types of dipping down heres the list 1. Envy 2. Anger 3. Frustration 4. Betrayal 5. love 6. Protection (of another)
Everything in this episode
1. Glossaryck married himself and made his children MHC(magical high commission)
2. I think he is teaching her how to deep down-dip down because she is over like 300 years old and maybe a fight will happen
3. If Toffee returns idk what will happen but if he sees Meteora he’s definitely gonna think I met her before, I seen her before.
4.the people who were on the boat I guess they were the butterfly family came from Earth got exposed too magic I know half of the story didn’t feel like typing it
5. In the book of spells it explains the first queen and also the giraffe guy Festivia hated him and the riddle queen hated him she was the one put cursed him to only speak riddles
6. I think meteora is the source to make mewmans and monsters get along
Love seeing your thoughts on the episodes. :) I'm thinking Glossaryck was referring to Star going to the magic dimension, not actually defeating Toffee. Of course, I may be wrong, but it seems like the magic dimension isn't a place for folks to visit as it has potential to screw everything up.
I literally watched the episode on demand five minutes before I noticed this uploaded, and upon seeing Raptor God Teen I immediately thought of you before realizing *OMG IT'S TOFFEE HE'S BACK DEAR GOD*
Also bring Reynaldo back please. Let him be important please. -Sadly Glossaryck left his son so Karen can't be memed in-
It seems no alternative timeline neither parallel universes. Most like a stable timeloop.
So, the acts of Glossarick that we have seen in this episodes it will occure on the past of the timelime we know, because as a loop, both, past and future, are shared in the same timeline.
Omg, I can't wait for your theory vid. I'm so curious!
blue is raptor hunting
In the other post, I said we were given 90% of what has happened in Mewni. The 10% is still unknown. Such as, who really were the ppl in the boat and how did they get there? Did Glosseryk tell them who they were, or who he wanted them to be? Glosseryk had a history book. He "gave" them a back story, then gave them magic. Did the same thing happen with the monsters. Did they get a back story of living there for generations and that magic users are here to kill and steal? The conflict between Toffee and Glosseryk seems to have been going on for a long time. Are they both in on the game, or is Toffee legitimately trying to stop magic? In Mewni Independence episode, Marco pointed out that the monsters were greatly out matched, with the Mewmans using magic and super soldiers. The battle lines have been Mewmans on one side and monsters on the other, since Mewmans had the magic. This caused the by product of racism, but racism isn't what the whole fight is about. Glosseryk is keeping magic use going and Toffee trying to stop it. Is it all a game for their amusement? Is each side actually trying to win? Knowing the truth about the ppl in the boat will clear a lot up. The future queen has been taught who the enemy is and all the young Mewman and monster children, playing cornball, in unity, will have to choose sides, and fight a battle, when they grow up. The magic vs no magic conflict has been established for them.
Blue: *Sees raptor god man
YOUR HEART FILLS WITH DETERMINATION
True :)
Star after just talking about racism: Ok-k-k
I think that stump might be how stump day was created
Well, yes.
52/62 - When I started this show I was blind and didn't notice these plot holes, but now is want a season 5 but only to fill holes, and I can't leave this show
No other show will make one freak out at the sight of a reptile.
Meatora is dangerous
Meteorites are dangerous
*_N A N I ? !_*
What I love is that after meteora uses her soul sucking ability, in the season 2 finale Toffee develops the same ability using the corrupted magic.
Gloserick created all the members of the high comision so technically there his children and Reynold was mentioned in the book of spells festiva described him as "boring" and its theorized that the original mewman colonist were actually transported from earth as seen by there clothing Gloserick did not change the timeline he created it he was the original start of mewmi and the royal family he was the final push for young toffe to actual fight the magic and the royal family he was probobly still under seth maybe even the prince of the septarist and the leader of septarsis rebel group so before they were a united group i believe septarians were basically wimps and it was seths and toffe leadership that inspired the septarians which inturn lead to the the monster rebelion.
Raptor senses are tingling
Some Raptor God Man in an episode it's always good news, even if from the past!
And... Eagerly awaiting for the analysis!
I think Glossarick is kinda the omnipotent force in this show. Like everything he interacts with and everything he says or does makes magic come out on top. Even when hes being a goof i get the feeling hes being that way so that the people around him react the way he wants them to. Glossarick did say he has no feelings, and without Toffee, Eclipsa would never have been released because moons mom would never have died.
YESSS!!! I’ve been waiting to see your reaction to Toffee!!!😆! Lol this is great. And damn, was Meteora’s/glossaryck’s actions part of what started off the timeline that is currently happening? Glossaryck giving them the wand. Was that what started everything? If he didn’t do that would they have still gotten a wand? Would the timeline have changed? Hmmm. Is Meteora harming Toffee like that what made him even more wary of magic? Maybe it made him even more cautious and serious about magic. So that after that he didn’t underestimate it as much as he did even with their regeneration. Though yeah he was still cocky until Moon used that spell during the war. He gave up a bit after that. Though it seemed to be a bit more of a tactical retreat/ i’ll come back even better equipped with the necessary knowledge and skill next time. Things are getting more and more interesting as the episodes go by.
The wand is a temporal paradox and the Mewnians are probably terraqueous
Glossaryk is a god, he can teleport, appear in two places, time travel, been here since time
Glossaryck is setting up his vengeance against Toffee for killing Comet
7:34 that's man who's on the verge of die from the happiness.
Literally nobody:
Blue Order: *R A P T O R*
5:09 MOM, WE NEED THE PRIEST THIS TIME!!
2:53 ADORABLE PROTECT PLEASE YES
I think it's the kind of thing where their time travelling is what created the current timeline.
14:01 I was not expecting that joke so I just fell laughing!
OKAY, FINALLY, I CAN TALK ABOUT THIS! So, either I'm just super slow or I'm on to something, but my current theory is that Toffee's plan was to destroy all magic (EDIT: I know this is obvious during the time he was in the realm of magic and the season 3 premiere and blah blah blah, but I'm talking, like, not just to mess with the Butterflys, but to fix the world. Like, this was his plan from the beginning. Not 100% sure where his finger and all of that comes in, but...eh.). The crazier part of this theory is THAT THIS IS (maybe) A GOOD THING! Like, think about it.
1: In this episode, we see the origin of the mewmans (kinda) and how they gained magic abilities, and it seems...bad? Like, maybe it's just me, but there was a VERY negative/creepy feeling to it.
2: Magic has just opened a WHOLE can of worms throughout the story. Like, lots of stuff got messed up.
3: A lot of Star's character arc, especially early on, was surrounding dealing with problems without magic, so, like...it kinda fits into that??? Kinda??????
Now, my main question going forward is what's Glossaryck's role in this. Does he want magic destroyed? Does he want it protected (possibly by Meteora)? Is he even, like, his own person with his own thoughts and feelings, or is he just a personification of the book or magic or...I'm very confused...
Toffee's stated to be a teenager in that scene, around 17 years old.
Rasticore also seems to have acne there too.
Wait, so does their acne regenerate too?
Am I the only one who was surprised that Toffee had a mullet?! XD
Don’t wanna alarm you Blue, the the title for the series finale was released. “Cleaved”. Remember what Glossirick said at the end of season 1? “ You can cleave something Together, or you can cleave something apart”. Panic time?
And I would belive that Glossaryc set toffee up against magic, and as Glossarick is a time Lord who is stagnant in every time constant. He is in the now, the ago, and the forward. And conscious of all time at all times.
He is the father of A Time Traveling Guy apparently. That might mean smthn?
I just thinm he is consious of time in the forward and the past and present and he is all knowing of all of time because he is there. Knowing everything that will and was.
*_M I K E W A Z O W S K I_*
Can’t wait for that theory video then. Blue is the theory boi, he’s the one who....figures out.....the things...that the....story...and the......things........... 😐
I'm pretty sure that they didn't change anything. This is how it happened in the first place. It's a paradox. For example they can have a Glossaryck come back from the future and tell Star something in the present and that doesn't mean he changed Stars future, it just means that, that event was supposed to happen and that there is no other future were star didn't meet the future Glossaryck. This also explains why he is always calm and is never worried about ruining the past, because whatever he does it's already supposed to happen in order for the present to be the way it is.
This is also a biased opinion, since I personally think that Glossaryck is some sort of cured god or something. He said in the past that he doesn't have "wants" he just has a job. To train the future queens of Mewni. Why does he have this "job"? Cuz if we say that he is just preparing for some future threat, that doesn't make sense since we all know that he is the most powerful being on the show. Anyway I could talk for hours and still have other things to say so I'll stop here =))
The creation of the Wand is cost by Bootstrap Paradox and the timeline effect them at the present that gone to the past which the present already happen by Bootstrap Paradox already.
They didn't change things, it's just a time loop. They ALWAYS went back in time. All that stuff already happened throughout history by the time the show starts, it's just that Meteora and Glossaryck don't do that until this episode. They did go back in time, but they didn't change anything. They just played out the events they were supposed to back then.
As for "The Great Monster Massacre" scene, that had nothing to do with his memories I don't think. Toffee was just getting pissed that Buff Frog was actually doing good and not getting killed or nothing on that mission.
I think that the "raptor" guys always had regeneration. It was just a training session he seemed to be running. It's not like a person wants to just chop their own arm off to see.
One theory I've been tossing around in my head ever since the "maybe that was a mistake too" line, is that (and I hope this won't be the case), maybe Glossaryck thinks that magic should just simply not exist anymore. Like, that's what Toffee's plans seemed to be leading to. All magic was stopping and being warped into himself. He clearly does not like magic in the past and has only ever seemed to be distasteful towards it. If Glossaryck was saying it might have been a mistake to kill him then maybe magic was meant to end. Like maybe it having created the universe or what-not and set everything up or the Butterfly line having done their job to a certain point had been enough for whatever magic was intended to do and Glossaryck saw Toffee as the means to cancel it out since it was no longer needed for the universe.
Now I do hope that's wrong because without magic...things probably would not be as fun. And you can also poke holes in that theory with training Meteora to begin with and egging Star towards restarting magic in The Battle for Mewni. It could be that all magic was just intended to pool into one entity was the thing which Toffee would have been since he'd corrupted it all and maybe Meteora is now seen by Glossaryck as the one that could become that.
Or whatever. Just things I've been thinking about.
Nikolai has returned.
They were causing the timeline to stay on track, give the settlers a wand was so then the kingdom of Mewni would exist and having Meteora attack Raptor God Man would be the reason for him to go rogue and kill Moon's Mom and cause everything else that we know to happen
7:33: Ladies and gentleman... we got him.
'ERE WE GO BOYS! Now we're entering the endgame!
Professional Raptor God Man devolved back into Hormonal Punk Edgelord
Wtf😂🤣