Just tried it worked really well. Enemy was Mayans and made skirmishers. Hes up time was much slower, because he was making so many skirmishers to fight off my archers. I got up, got my upgrades, added a siege workshop and destroyed him.
Boom! Awesome mate! Glad it worked well. It can be a really strong strat. The earlier feudal time and the fast firing rate really make it easy to prevent them from massing skirms. Thanks for letting me know how well it worked! :-)
Have just played my first 4 ranked 1v1’s with this build order and won every game. Not bad to say I haven’t played competitively in well over a month :-)
Just get it when you’re confident you can afford it. I once heard hera say that sometimes a quicker mass of troops is more important in feudal. It’s more important to prioritise double bit axe. You do want to get horse collar soon enough though. I personally normally get it mid to late feudal when going archers. If I can get on top of the game with the bigger, earlier mass of archers and kill villagers, it normally pays off more than getting horse collar a little sooner. But it’s quite easy to get horse collar almost straight away if you wish. The build order can be tweaked as much as you like :-)
Thanks for the video! Morley, do you have any video teaching how to deal with walls? in this case your enemy did not build any wall, so it was very easy to attack.
Man at arms into archer build :-) or drush into archers. Alternatively, you use your main bulk of archers to attack the wall and then have a couple of archers to shoot villagers that come to repair or build houses behind.
Really needed a build order to improve my rush game and this helped a lot! Do you however, have any advice if your opponent counters the rush? I had a game where the opponent was able to get enough skirms out in time and obviously I couldn't continue to keep sending archers over. What you suggest you do if that happens? Focus on eco? Amass skirms too?
Ideally you should be able to micro the skirms down with the faster firing rate however, as you say, adding some skirms (which is difficult in early feudal with this build due to lack of food) or potentially add some men at arms (maybe even militia will be enough to distract the skirms) but again that could be too demanding on food. Alternatively, again as you say, run away and perhaps adjust your eco to get up to castle so maybe take some vills off gold and a couple off wood and make farms. Potentially you could also make a stable and add a few scouts. I normally add knights as soon as I go castle to catch them off guard a little.
I'm a *very* casual player, but I was intrigued by this build. However, my skill level clearly is not enough to keep the wood online to hit my targets, as it were. But tell me: why Loom before Feudal, if not to boar hunt? If you have the skill to hunt boar without Loom, why get it at all when every second is precious? Also, in many builds I've read, the deer seem to be ignored. Are they not worth the trouble of building a mill? Just build farms instead? Thanks!
Hi mate! Some great questions! Regarding loom, if you are able to lure boar without losing the villager, you don’t really need it for that. On some maps like arena you can ignore loom until castle age but with open maps, they chances are that your enemy is going to rush with scouts or archers or even earlier with dark age militia. Loom is to make the villagers a little stronger for that. If archers can reach your villagers from the other side of the trees, they will kill a lot more if you don’t have loom. Those seconds saved from not getting loom will mean nothing if 4 or 5 villagers die from not having it. Regarding deer, years ago it was totally acceptable to mill the deer and incorporate them in to the build order. The problem is, a lot of maps will only have 3 deer instead of 4 which is not really worth making a mill for. I think 4 deer is still acceptable to be milled. Also, in maps nowadays, the deer are spawning a lot further away from your base than they used to, making it a little more difficult/vulnerable to collect them with a mill. Usually, deer are collected by pushing them individually to the town Center with the scout and collecting them that way, saving 100 wood from not making a mill but it is quite an advanced thing to do. You will have some maps where it’s probably a good idea to mill the deer. Most build orders do not include them nowadays because they want the build to be able to be used whether or not those issues with deer are there are not. Some builds will include pushing deer but most of mine don’t because I want lower level players to be able to do it as well. I tend to find with this build food is a bit of an issue rather than wood however I don’t think this one takes walling in to account, at least not early walls anyway, so that could be where the wood issue lies. If that’s the case, change it to 22 pop and add another to wood :-)
@@MorleyGames1 Thank you for your reply. The wood issue has nothing to do with your build--the timing works--but with my low skill level and total inability to actually harm my opponent's economy. But this is fun to work on as I usually avoid archer rushes. Now I see why! ;)
@@MorleyGames1 Much better! I was actually able to win against the Harder AI with your Vietnamese build. And now I get Loom...it really does finish right up as the food counter dings 400. I look forward to more of your videos.
Yeah if you have 1 extra on food it helps to afford some skirms in feudal a bit sooner but I wanted this to be quicker to mass an army and then micro the enemy with the faster firing rate. I find pushing a few deer helps instead of an extra villager.
@@MorleyGames1 i said that because i was more thinking about adding spearmen instead of skirms to deal with scouts, why the skirms? (for his skirms?) And actually i just finished a game trying this strat and won but i feel like something was off, i wish you could watch it and make some comments on it. it was a pretty fun game.
I find you’re able to mass up enough archers to deal with scouts fairly well once you have fletching. But yeah if they have gone scouts you can add spears instead. Yeah the skirms are as a meat shield vs the enemy skirms plus they still deal extra damage to other skirms. Yeah I’m not sure if I mention in the video that this build can leave the food production a little light but the aim is to get a mass of fast firing archer ASAP. Glad you tried it and won! You can send me the game file via my discord server if you want me to have a look (and perhaps commentate it for the channel) discord link should be in the video description
@@MorleyGames1 Good morning. Yeah thats what I thought, you are right mass archer is great. Awesome, let me find your discord and I will send it over, that means a lot to me!!! Thank you
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ive seen a lot of tutorials of build orders but no one is easy to understand as yours
Thank you! I’m glad they are easy to understand. That’s what I’ve been aiming for :-)
Just tried it worked really well. Enemy was Mayans and made skirmishers. Hes up time was much slower, because he was making so many skirmishers to fight off my archers. I got up, got my upgrades, added a siege workshop and destroyed him.
Boom! Awesome mate! Glad it worked well. It can be a really strong strat. The earlier feudal time and the fast firing rate really make it easy to prevent them from massing skirms. Thanks for letting me know how well it worked! :-)
Have just played my first 4 ranked 1v1’s with this build order and won every game. Not bad to say I haven’t played competitively in well over a month :-)
Skip horse collar before putting down farms?
Just get it when you’re confident you can afford it. I once heard hera say that sometimes a quicker mass of troops is more important in feudal. It’s more important to prioritise double bit axe. You do want to get horse collar soon enough though. I personally normally get it mid to late feudal when going archers. If I can get on top of the game with the bigger, earlier mass of archers and kill villagers, it normally pays off more than getting horse collar a little sooner. But it’s quite easy to get horse collar almost straight away if you wish. The build order can be tweaked as much as you like :-)
@@craigs9538 general rule is get horse collar if going scouts (food heavy) and skip it for later if going archers (wood & gold unit)
@@OgedeiKhanOKOK this!!! (Sorry I missed your comment! I try to reply to all)
@@MorleyGames1 np man, I appreciate ur videos and BOs
Thanks for the video! Morley, do you have any video teaching how to deal with walls? in this case your enemy did not build any wall, so it was very easy to attack.
Man at arms into archer build :-) or drush into archers. Alternatively, you use your main bulk of archers to attack the wall and then have a couple of archers to shoot villagers that come to repair or build houses behind.
Really needed a build order to improve my rush game and this helped a lot! Do you however, have any advice if your opponent counters the rush? I had a game where the opponent was able to get enough skirms out in time and obviously I couldn't continue to keep sending archers over. What you suggest you do if that happens? Focus on eco? Amass skirms too?
Ideally you should be able to micro the skirms down with the faster firing rate however, as you say, adding some skirms (which is difficult in early feudal with this build due to lack of food) or potentially add some men at arms (maybe even militia will be enough to distract the skirms) but again that could be too demanding on food. Alternatively, again as you say, run away and perhaps adjust your eco to get up to castle so maybe take some vills off gold and a couple off wood and make farms. Potentially you could also make a stable and add a few scouts. I normally add knights as soon as I go castle to catch them off guard a little.
@@MorleyGames1 Thanks for the reply. Good advice, i'll give it a try!
No problem mate! It’s hard to describe what to do. Just got to adapt in one way or another lol
I'm a *very* casual player, but I was intrigued by this build. However, my skill level clearly is not enough to keep the wood online to hit my targets, as it were. But tell me: why Loom before Feudal, if not to boar hunt? If you have the skill to hunt boar without Loom, why get it at all when every second is precious? Also, in many builds I've read, the deer seem to be ignored. Are they not worth the trouble of building a mill? Just build farms instead? Thanks!
Hi mate! Some great questions! Regarding loom, if you are able to lure boar without losing the villager, you don’t really need it for that. On some maps like arena you can ignore loom until castle age but with open maps, they chances are that your enemy is going to rush with scouts or archers or even earlier with dark age militia. Loom is to make the villagers a little stronger for that. If archers can reach your villagers from the other side of the trees, they will kill a lot more if you don’t have loom. Those seconds saved from not getting loom will mean nothing if 4 or 5 villagers die from not having it.
Regarding deer, years ago it was totally acceptable to mill the deer and incorporate them in to the build order. The problem is, a lot of maps will only have 3 deer instead of 4 which is not really worth making a mill for. I think 4 deer is still acceptable to be milled. Also, in maps nowadays, the deer are spawning a lot further away from your base than they used to, making it a little more difficult/vulnerable to collect them with a mill. Usually, deer are collected by pushing them individually to the town Center with the scout and collecting them that way, saving 100 wood from not making a mill but it is quite an advanced thing to do. You will have some maps where it’s probably a good idea to mill the deer. Most build orders do not include them nowadays because they want the build to be able to be used whether or not those issues with deer are there are not. Some builds will include pushing deer but most of mine don’t because I want lower level players to be able to do it as well.
I tend to find with this build food is a bit of an issue rather than wood however I don’t think this one takes walling in to account, at least not early walls anyway, so that could be where the wood issue lies. If that’s the case, change it to 22 pop and add another to wood :-)
@@MorleyGames1 Thank you for your reply. The wood issue has nothing to do with your build--the timing works--but with my low skill level and total inability to actually harm my opponent's economy. But this is fun to work on as I usually avoid archer rushes. Now I see why! ;)
I have a Vietnamese archer rush on the channel which might be better suited as they have extra HP so are a little tankier :-)
@@MorleyGames1 Much better! I was actually able to win against the Harder AI with your Vietnamese build. And now I get Loom...it really does finish right up as the food counter dings 400. I look forward to more of your videos.
Hey Morley. Why make the house on the way to boar and not with the 1st berry vil? Is that more of a how far is your boar kinda call to make?
I don’t think it matters. Think I just did it that way to time with the sheep running out.
@@MorleyGames1 Awesome! Thanks dude, I really like the Ethiopians with this build :D
Yeah it’s a good one isn’t it
Is your age of empires modded ?
It has the small trees mod on if that’s what you mean? That’s all though :-)
have u tried with 22 pop bro
Yeah if you have 1 extra on food it helps to afford some skirms in feudal a bit sooner but I wanted this to be quicker to mass an army and then micro the enemy with the faster firing rate. I find pushing a few deer helps instead of an extra villager.
@@MorleyGames1 i said that because i was more thinking about adding spearmen instead of skirms to deal with scouts, why the skirms? (for his skirms?) And actually i just finished a game trying this strat and won but i feel like something was off, i wish you could watch it and make some comments on it. it was a pretty fun game.
I find you’re able to mass up enough archers to deal with scouts fairly well once you have fletching. But yeah if they have gone scouts you can add spears instead. Yeah the skirms are as a meat shield vs the enemy skirms plus they still deal extra damage to other skirms.
Yeah I’m not sure if I mention in the video that this build can leave the food production a little light but the aim is to get a mass of fast firing archer ASAP.
Glad you tried it and won! You can send me the game file via my discord server if you want me to have a look (and perhaps commentate it for the channel) discord link should be in the video description
@@MorleyGames1 Good morning. Yeah thats what I thought, you are right mass archer is great.
Awesome, let me find your discord and I will send it over, that means a lot to me!!! Thank you
it says invite invalid for discord. i added your steam
Because they are ethiopian archers... it is the best in the game.
I have a 20 pop ethiopian archer rush build that you should check out! :-)
so this is where all the annoying archer tryhards come from
Oh, you should see my 20 pop version of this. This is quite an old build