Getting to know humans is almost a necessity for a Vulcan. Human's often say the quiet part out loud, or vocalize their emotions, making it easier for Vulcans to get that catharsis without bending to emotion. That, "I'm glad you said it, _because I wasn't going to!"
A lot of people, as a result of social pressures, can tend to act like stereotypes, because stereotypes are flat enough to fit a lot of people. What's more important than the stereotype is that they are complex and creative beyond what others expect of them. Tendi aspires to explore and help people, and her sister was struggling with feelings of inadequacy in the face of her family's expectations, and sabotaged her own wedding as a result. There's always more below the surface stereotype. I know this is a very serious response to a kinda joke post, but also I love this show and how it explores this. I haven't engaged this much with sci-fi since I first watched Babylon 5.
The thing is they ARE more than criminals. Unfortunately for Tendi, her family doesn't apply and she hates that she's basically the Orion version of a minstrel character that proves all the bad stereotypes of her race true.
@@jordanloux3883 yesh is not different from Klingon society, not every klingon is a warrior fanatic for battle and honor, they have politcs, scientists and other groups, but the whole society get a big stereotype
Notice that everybody at the nightclub recognized Tendi? Or that the Orion woman that ran the "hump dungeon" also knew her? Obviously, the Orion Syndicate is not like some secret society, at least among their own people. It's pretty much the Orion equivalent of Starfleet, with even less altruism.
I love how Tendi, who is usually so honest, lies like a rug when it comes to anything having to do with her people. She's gone from "Many Orions haven't been pirates in like five years!" (i.e. long enough to get through Starfleet Academy and assigned to a starship) to "We're barely the fifth largest family in the syndicate." In other words, yes, her family are space pirates, her mother is a warrior queen, and pretty much every Orion is some kind of criminal. And Tendi is the *only* one trying to pretend otherwise.
It's pretty clear that she doesn't agree with the norms in her culture. They make her uncomfortable, and embarrassed in the presence of her friends from the federation. She doesn't want people to assume that she lives up to those stereotypes.
@@MainlyHuman - Even though she does when it's necessary. The Federation readily deals with the similarly "capitalist, hyper-libertarian" Ferengi. Who even engage in some freelance space piracy of their own. There's no point to denying your people's characteristics when even you can't avoid, for example, stopping in at a thieves den at a pirate outpost just to try to get a scratching post fixed.
Well once again Mariner thinks she is the right one. Brings a Phaser to a wedding but no one is pisssed cause it's Orian. We loved the blades and ropes cause it's so piraty. Tendi is a hypocrite cause in DS9 episode she rocked because of her training. Her whole planet and famly is proud about being outlaws. Why be so freaky about her culture?? A whole planet of queen bees!!
I don't think Tendi's being a hypocrite, she just doesn't want to live the life she'd have on Orion. Plus, I think that M'esk showed off *why* she wants to distance herself from her heritage; the stereotypes of "sexy pirate aliens" are hard to shake, especially if she shows off her skills at being an arse-kicking pirate. That, and the fact that the whole "queen bee" element of Orion society is largely because the men are being drugged by pheromones constantly. Plus, this way Tendi is _Lower Decks_ version of Nog. And Nog was great.
@@supernukey419 Tell that to the report that was written but not summitted because of shame of her heritage. You should be proud about your heritage when it teaches yous so much. It's like a Ferengi who hates profit but still uses the rules of acquisitions to operate in life.
The only complaint I have about this episode is that it's sort of reverse sexist, I hate to red pill but people are absolutely right when they say it's ok to write a story about the matriachy but you'll never see another episode like "Code of Honor" about male dominated society's.
oh shut up. Code of Honor is one of the worst episodes of Star Trek ever made. Plus the idea that Orion is matriarchical comes from ENT, so this isn't even something LD decided on. There were so many episodes of TNG, VOY, and DS9 that revolved around a patriarchical society, it is just a tired trope at this point.
This old man has seen the Orions evolve from 'green-skinned (read: not black) space babes of the 1930s plus pulp magazines (written in the USA when the anti-miscegenation laws had yet to be repealed), to the joke of they are actually, behind the scenes a matriarchy that rules their men by pheremones (taken from the Aslan, themselves ripped from 'the Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe'), to the version where this fanon was accepted as canon (like Kirk's middle name was), to the current mess, which Lower Decks is spoofing. Basically, even after this episode, we still don't know what Orion civilian culture is. Even Tendi mentioned they are just one of five families (think Godfather). We just saw a formalised criminal syndicate, not a 'family'. They seem to have lost the really gangsta elements, in favour of something that lasts. - and the display of wealth does not mean wealth exists, of course.
@@cotboyOrion’s being matriarchal goes back to TOS my dude, they sneak aboard the Enterprise by pretending to be slaves, but it’s revealed towards the end they were actually in control of the Orion merchant ship the whole time
"I hope we will be allowed to view their aquifers"
"She has lost all control." Vulcan girls gone wild!!!
Getting to know humans is almost a necessity for a Vulcan. Human's often say the quiet part out loud, or vocalize their emotions, making it easier for Vulcans to get that catharsis without bending to emotion.
That, "I'm glad you said it, _because I wasn't going to!"
Tendi: Gets offended about everyone treating Orions as pirates and criminal stereotypes.
Orions: Acting as pirates and criminal stereotypes.
A lot of people, as a result of social pressures, can tend to act like stereotypes, because stereotypes are flat enough to fit a lot of people. What's more important than the stereotype is that they are complex and creative beyond what others expect of them. Tendi aspires to explore and help people, and her sister was struggling with feelings of inadequacy in the face of her family's expectations, and sabotaged her own wedding as a result. There's always more below the surface stereotype.
I know this is a very serious response to a kinda joke post, but also I love this show and how it explores this. I haven't engaged this much with sci-fi since I first watched Babylon 5.
The thing is they ARE more than criminals. Unfortunately for Tendi, her family doesn't apply and she hates that she's basically the Orion version of a minstrel character that proves all the bad stereotypes of her race true.
@@jordanloux3883 yesh is not different from Klingon society, not every klingon is a warrior fanatic for battle and honor, they have politcs, scientists and other groups, but the whole society get a big stereotype
Notice that everybody at the nightclub recognized Tendi? Or that the Orion woman that ran the "hump dungeon" also knew her? Obviously, the Orion Syndicate is not like some secret society, at least among their own people. It's pretty much the Orion equivalent of Starfleet, with even less altruism.
“What is a “Prime”?”
“I don’t know, but it sounds cool as hell!”
“I concur.”
Me too
B'ert, D'erica, I think I'm starting to get how Orion names work
As a vulcan from a place thats mostly like.. desert and stuff... being interested in aquifors is... logical.
Shanon, Burt, Devon & Erica 😂
I love how Tendi, who is usually so honest, lies like a rug when it comes to anything having to do with her people. She's gone from "Many Orions haven't been pirates in like five years!" (i.e. long enough to get through Starfleet Academy and assigned to a starship) to "We're barely the fifth largest family in the syndicate." In other words, yes, her family are space pirates, her mother is a warrior queen, and pretty much every Orion is some kind of criminal. And Tendi is the *only* one trying to pretend otherwise.
It's pretty clear that she doesn't agree with the norms in her culture. They make her uncomfortable, and embarrassed in the presence of her friends from the federation. She doesn't want people to assume that she lives up to those stereotypes.
@@MainlyHuman - Even though she does when it's necessary. The Federation readily deals with the similarly "capitalist, hyper-libertarian" Ferengi. Who even engage in some freelance space piracy of their own. There's no point to denying your people's characteristics when even you can't avoid, for example, stopping in at a thieves den at a pirate outpost just to try to get a scratching post fixed.
Starfleet needs that undercover grit. Words only take you so far......sometimes you need to be a pirate
2:42 Bert? That a nice name.
Actually it's B'ert, a very traditional Orion name
@@Ooilei either which way nice name
I see what side of the family Tendi gets it from
Mariner casually forgets Tendi's title.
In her defense she drinks a lot. A LOT
Possible cause for stabbing?
She knows Tendi doesn't like her bringing it up.
I think she gets it’s important, but doesn’t know how important.
2:25 What do they got in there? King Kong?
Whats in the box?
My personal opinion? Weapons
Supplies? Food stuff? Personal care products?
@@alonenjersey old toys? Science equipment? Books?
Maybe a Apple smartphone in mint condition? Or some DVD's & CD's? @@redrasegarden
@@redrasegarden Her clarinet from the - like - five months she spent in her elementary school orchestra.
Well once again Mariner thinks she is the right one. Brings a Phaser to a wedding but no one is pisssed cause it's Orian. We loved the blades and ropes cause it's so piraty. Tendi is a hypocrite cause in DS9 episode she rocked because of her training. Her whole planet and famly is proud about being outlaws. Why be so freaky about her culture?? A whole planet of queen bees!!
I don't think Tendi's being a hypocrite, she just doesn't want to live the life she'd have on Orion. Plus, I think that M'esk showed off *why* she wants to distance herself from her heritage; the stereotypes of "sexy pirate aliens" are hard to shake, especially if she shows off her skills at being an arse-kicking pirate. That, and the fact that the whole "queen bee" element of Orion society is largely because the men are being drugged by pheromones constantly.
Plus, this way Tendi is _Lower Decks_ version of Nog. And Nog was great.
She's sick of people stereotyping her. Like Mesk.
A whole planet is showing that tendi is the odd duck out who uses her culture when it suites her.
@@Overlord24 Nothing wrong with using your skills while not being proud of your background
@@supernukey419 Tell that to the report that was written but not summitted because of shame of her heritage. You should be proud about your heritage when it teaches yous so much. It's like a Ferengi who hates profit but still uses the rules of acquisitions to operate in life.
The only complaint I have about this episode is that it's sort of reverse sexist, I hate to red pill but people are absolutely right when they say it's ok to write a story about the matriachy but you'll never see another episode like "Code of Honor" about male dominated society's.
oh shut up. Code of Honor is one of the worst episodes of Star Trek ever made. Plus the idea that Orion is matriarchical comes from ENT, so this isn't even something LD decided on. There were so many episodes of TNG, VOY, and DS9 that revolved around a patriarchical society, it is just a tired trope at this point.
This old man has seen the Orions evolve from 'green-skinned (read: not black) space babes of the 1930s plus pulp magazines (written in the USA when the anti-miscegenation laws had yet to be repealed), to the joke of they are actually, behind the scenes a matriarchy that rules their men by pheremones (taken from the Aslan, themselves ripped from 'the Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe'), to the version where this fanon was accepted as canon (like Kirk's middle name was), to the current mess, which Lower Decks is spoofing.
Basically, even after this episode, we still don't know what Orion civilian culture is.
Even Tendi mentioned they are just one of five families (think Godfather).
We just saw a formalised criminal syndicate, not a 'family'. They seem to have lost the really gangsta elements, in favour of something that lasts.
- and the display of wealth does not mean wealth exists, of course.
Seriously dude, there are like a million modern Patriach stories, also in Star Trek.
Why do you think this is an endorsement of Orion culture?
@@cotboyOrion’s being matriarchal goes back to TOS my dude, they sneak aboard the Enterprise by pretending to be slaves, but it’s revealed towards the end they were actually in control of the Orion merchant ship the whole time
so we're going to ignore the Ferengi episodes where they get angry that the women are wearing clothes. Convenient.