New Caledonia: What is behind the deadly unrest in the French Pacific territory? | DW News

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  • A state of emergency has been declared in the French pacific territory of New Caledonia in an attempt to quell unrest that has left five people dead, including two police officers. Plans over new voting rules from French lawmakers prompted the latest violence.
    The former French colony became an overseas territory after World War two. It has rejected independence in referendums three times, but the cause retains strong support among the indigenous Kanak people.
    00:00 Background
    02:27 Matthias Kowasch, Author
    07:00 Nathalie Mrgudovic, Aston University
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  • @jeffs4483
    @jeffs4483 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +295

    The real question should be: What is France doing there?

    • @Crackshotsteph
      @Crackshotsteph 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +52

      Resources. The Island is rich with Nickel.

    • @noize2sound
      @noize2sound 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +43

      This island has 25% world nickel reserves

    • @taualofaangaaelangi7920
      @taualofaangaaelangi7920 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +31

      That’s right! Just leave Pasifika alone France has damage our islands

    • @rogerevans7119
      @rogerevans7119 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      Keeping law and order. If the insurrectionists gain control is this the sort of indigenous state you want, where looting and rioting are par for the course and mob rule is sanctioned?

    • @bair8655
      @bair8655 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      ​@@rogerevans7119You are about Ukraine?

  • @F3arlessWarriorMindset
    @F3arlessWarriorMindset 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

    As an outsider, it seems to me that Paris is trying to pull a fast one over the indigenous Kanak people, so it’s no surprise the Kanaks have responded in a violent manner.

  • @Eric-jo8uh
    @Eric-jo8uh 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +68

    New Caledonia has HUGE amounts of nickel which France has hauled out by the tonnes for years and years, earning FRANCE a fortune. New Caledonia is given a slice, but only a meagre slice.

    • @frednoname3714
      @frednoname3714 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Vous devriez vous renseigner mieux les calédoniens ont des lois TRES favorables à leur independance et ont perdu TROIS fois les TROIS référendum sur l'indépendance malgré un mode de scrutin TRES en leur faveur. Ce sont des MAFIEUX ! Ils ont même assassiné leur leader historique jean-marie Djibaou. Ce sont des psychopathes.

  • @jwhard2385
    @jwhard2385 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +255

    When European say territory it means colony, right?

    • @Asgoga
      @Asgoga 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

      When some random TH-cam comment say one thing it mean the other thing, right ?

    • @Kvasiir
      @Kvasiir 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

      Like Tibet? Oh wait..

    • @slender5738
      @slender5738 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​​@@Kvasiirnah actually Tibet and chinese have much in common etnically and linguistically what does kanaks and caucasian french have in common france is weak there are several player who can break them 😈

    • @yossarincatch6051
      @yossarincatch6051 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

      @@Asgoga Does not change fact that France is in Europe and NW is 1700 km in the pacific. Piss off or dont cry about the boats

    • @harryaurere2961
      @harryaurere2961 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      Forceful occupation

  • @RickySingi-xc7sc
    @RickySingi-xc7sc 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +59

    This is not a civil war. Stop sending the wrong signal. Kanaks are the indigenous land owners. Why should an European country decide their destiny?

  • @tftfgubedgukm7911
    @tftfgubedgukm7911 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    How did France occupy a place thousands of miles away from their homeland without us knowing? The island is huge. And they dare point finger at others. Sneaky francos

  • @neguseametih
    @neguseametih 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +70

    See what they've done to Haiti

    • @ancikul5969
      @ancikul5969 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      Haiti has been free for a long time, almost 2 centuries. Now Haiti is very poor and constantly in chaos

    • @redmi26635
      @redmi26635 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

      @@ancikul5969 France later demanded an “indemnity” from Haiti, which severely damaged the newly independent country’s ability to prosper.

    • @ancikul5969
      @ancikul5969 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@redmi26635 maybe first 10-20 years but had 200 years independent!

    • @ooloongjohnson4015
      @ooloongjohnson4015 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      no. Haiti is what it is because of Haiti. There are plenty of French colonies doing perfectly well today. You truly underestimate the human tendency to self mutilation.

    • @chriscarrol9373
      @chriscarrol9373 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      What happens when you let children run the house.

  • @KIA-MIA-POW
    @KIA-MIA-POW 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +303

    ...a very easy answer....
    The French have never given up any of their colonies without a fight, e.g. Algeria and Vietnam. Their treatment of indigenous folk is consistently reprehensible.

    • @flapjawspace61
      @flapjawspace61 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +57

      guess you missed the part of the segment where they rejected independence multiple times

    • @KIA-MIA-POW
      @KIA-MIA-POW 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +29

      @kevinmcgrath7953
      ...didn't miss it at all, but don't get confused by the extremely small number of vocal indigenous folk who rely heavily on fly-in, fly-out Parisians for their livelihood.

    • @ambessaseway5594
      @ambessaseway5594 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

      ​@KIA-MIA-POW 3 largest nickel producer in the world with only 300 thousand people could be 1 of the richest countries in the World

    • @alexanderrose1556
      @alexanderrose1556 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      @@ambessaseway5594 No it couldnt nickel isnt worth that much

    • @rudiruttger
      @rudiruttger 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      @@flapjawspace61 I doubt comments like his are actually concerned with the details, they exist to create discord.

  • @jon9625
    @jon9625 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +47

    French settler colonialism has made the indigenous Kanak people a minority in their own land.

    • @jeanthill7497
      @jeanthill7497 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Tell me where are you from and then I tell you about the story of your country...

    • @lastbruh62
      @lastbruh62 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@jeanthill7497we can't change what happen hundreds or even thousands of years ago , but we can change what is happening infront of our eyes rn , any French can go there , spend 10 years and then gains citizenship and the right to vote for the destiny of the country

  • @jdotsalter910
    @jdotsalter910 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +83

    Boy France is having a rough time with its colonies. Got kicked out of Africa and now this. It better not let it turn into a little Algeria debacle.

    • @faa9261
      @faa9261 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      It was never theirs in the first place. Damn thieves. Russia and China should support the natives militarily.

    • @aliokansarca1773
      @aliokansarca1773 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Neden izin verilmesin.
      Fransız halkının da canı yanmalı ve kanı akmalıdır

    • @jeanthill7497
      @jeanthill7497 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Where are you from ? Just tell me to be curious ...

    • @moniho6907
      @moniho6907 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      They don't treat their territories good

  • @actuallyyusufbudidarmawan2000
    @actuallyyusufbudidarmawan2000 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +40

    Independence is the right of every nation

    • @vanillacuttings56
      @vanillacuttings56 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes but some immature ones are the potential of vultures… France is pampering New Caledonia since decades and it is a chance … see what happened in Vanuatu… In Haiti… we should avoid this.

    • @nickngunjiri4282
      @nickngunjiri4282 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@vanillacuttings56 France is there to gain Nickel and resources, all exported to France. Indigenous are most impoverished in french territories

    • @eric6616
      @eric6616 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      it wasn't so fro Artsakh for 35 years Armenians in their ancestral lands had a democracy but Azerbaijan ethnically cleansed the region. Now The Azeri's are causing problems in the middle of the pacific.

    • @RGJ757
      @RGJ757 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@eric6616what is artsakh is it condom?

  • @MountH212
    @MountH212 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +57

    The indigenous people want their freedom. Forget about the votes of people who were transported there to up match the people

    • @pujolmathieu
      @pujolmathieu 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Not all indegenous, and not the majority of New Caledonians. So they try to make a coup.

    • @chinglee100
      @chinglee100 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      If they get their freedom their quality of life will get worst and become just another 3rd world country 😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @MountH212
      @MountH212 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@chinglee100 Says a descendant of enslavers. Many island nations around Africa are doing fine after their independence. More to that, their freedom is their choice. It's better to be free than be a slave under a rich nation

    • @MountH212
      @MountH212 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@pujolmathieu You can't speak for them. The problem is the law that France wants to impose on them

    • @barbarakauppi9915
      @barbarakauppi9915 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They will become small and vulnerable to the overwhelming machinations of the CCP, which has clearly already been in progress for quite some time. Sheesh, this game is as old as the hills. Do try to keep up..

  • @user-vs6eb2zw2s
    @user-vs6eb2zw2s 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    I visited New Caledonia in 2022. It was such a beautiful and peaceful place. The island Lifou outside the main island is just mind blowing.

  • @kimduong2332
    @kimduong2332 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +45

    Caledonia is the Kanak natives' country, all other non-Kanak immigrants were brought in by the French colonist, they are not qualified for Caledonia independence referendum which only the natives are qualified for.The France-brought-in immigrant population is bigger than Kanak population, given their votes in the referendum of course they vote against independence. Approving non-Kanak native immigrants to vote is the French colonist's plot to fail Caledonia independence referendum.

    • @petraravn5421
      @petraravn5421 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      How long must you have resided in New Caledonia to have a say? Many non-Kanak have been there for generations.
      In Sweden, immigrants can become Swedish nationals after five years of residence. In France (Hexagone), it's ten years. The law makes no difference between nationals, claiming that some must not hav a say.

    • @kimduong2332
      @kimduong2332 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@petraravn5421 The West laws are not international laws. The non-Caledonian immigrants are not allowed to have a say over Caledonian soveriegny, they can have a say of Caledonian construction.

    • @petraravn5421
      @petraravn5421 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@kimduong2332 Wow! Having lived there for six generations, you do not have a say about the future of New Caledonia! Are you serious?

    • @eliteglobal3391
      @eliteglobal3391 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Javanese (Indonesian) have been live in New Caledonia since colonial era , they speak french and I don't think they consider themselves Indonesian. 😅

    • @ninarosalina4896
      @ninarosalina4896 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@petraravn5421Go ayaw coloniser

  • @backattackjack3857
    @backattackjack3857 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +65

    00:25 it’s important to note that the latest referendum was protested by the local population because it was during COVID and the indigenous people were disproportionately suffering at that time, they asked to delay the vote but Paris rejected their request

    • @robertchautardjensen6846
      @robertchautardjensen6846 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

      This is BS and a weak excuse, the fact is the Kanaks agreed to three referendums and they lost 3 to zero.

    • @carkawalakhatulistiwa
      @carkawalakhatulistiwa 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      ​@@robertchautardjensen6846 they lost because Paris imigran have more Population than native

    • @robertchautardjensen6846
      @robertchautardjensen6846 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@carkawalakhatulistiwa How much French money have you and your family accepted? Why oh why would you want NC to turn its back on France, which has given large amounts of money to build a good society in NC over decades? Do you really think that China or Azerbaijan will give as much to the Kanaks as France has already done?
      Why destroy the shops that feed both Kanaks and Caldosh?
      Or is the whole sorry state of affairs being driven by hot heads who have no interest in either the Kanaks or the Caldosh and are only interested in looting and then burning the businesses that feed them?

    • @GokhanGursel-eu1xm
      @GokhanGursel-eu1xm 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@robertchautardjensen6846 With the garlic-scented votes you carry from France

    • @Uqwefsdjxsa
      @Uqwefsdjxsa 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      No, the reason why is because France had just done a vaccine rollout, and they did their overseas departments (New Caledonia, French Guinea, Tahiti etc) BEFORE Metropolitan France because the government knew that the locals there needed the vaccines more.
      This made the French government hugely popular for a moment of time with the people of New Caledonia and the independence parties knew this, which is why they chose not to vote knowing they would lose in a landslide, and decided to save face by boycotting. The excuse of “COVID really effected us Kanaks and our burials!” Is a fabricated lie.

  • @VENOM-ro3uh
    @VENOM-ro3uh 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +199

    end colonialism

    • @Asgoga
      @Asgoga 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

      Tell that to New Caledonians who rejected independence by referendum 3 times.

    • @JBEMultimediamadrid
      @JBEMultimediamadrid 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +43

      @@Asgoga Tell that to the colonial master is still uses her power to influence the results. Or you truly believe the people really want to remain under colonial control forever

    • @grem56
      @grem56 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Colonialism is long over

    • @AH1-sr3bh
      @AH1-sr3bh 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The natives dont want them there, rhats all. Those votes were fraudulent, you cant have a vote on occupied territory. ​@@Asgoga

    • @savanalexis1947
      @savanalexis1947 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      ​@@AsgogaYES They are caldoches not The Kanak.This is indegious Kanak land not France or Western Land...

  • @Daka613
    @Daka613 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

    COLONIAL TERRITORY😢

  • @InesElm-dj9tn
    @InesElm-dj9tn 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

    FRANCE SHOULD GIVE CALEDONIA INDEPENDENCE

    • @zb1307
      @zb1307 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Good idea, Independence from civilised society and order. Within a month these coconuts will be demanding a hand outs from Australia

    • @tftfgubedgukm7911
      @tftfgubedgukm7911 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@zb1307 Typical French arrogance.

    • @eric6616
      @eric6616 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Azerbaijan should have recognized Artsakh instead of ethnic cleansing they committed in 2023

    • @barbarakauppi9915
      @barbarakauppi9915 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Why?

  • @harryaurere2961
    @harryaurere2961 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +49

    Correction... Forceful occupation by France of New Caledonia.

    • @kristijangrgic9841
      @kristijangrgic9841 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Caledonia had 3 referendums on independence

    • @thepax2621
      @thepax2621 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      And the 3 referendums don't count... because? 🤔

    • @dav5844
      @dav5844 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      No we are french, born french, since 6 generations. Stop spreading false informations

    • @MrX-il2jt
      @MrX-il2jt 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      ​@@kristijangrgic9841 There was a referendum in Russian occupied Ukrainian territory also

    • @MrX-il2jt
      @MrX-il2jt 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@dav5844 27%😂😂

  • @jaroslavkriz6848
    @jaroslavkriz6848 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +150

    Stop French colonization. It's ridiculous for an island in the Pacific to be part of France. If colonization continues, the local Kanaks will lose their island and become a minority in their homeland.

    • @christopher8022
      @christopher8022 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

      Yes that's right they could be like the Solomon islands with gravel roads and tin sheds as the main Building Structures

    • @mourka01
      @mourka01 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      ​@christopher8022 if that is what people want that is how people should be allowed to live.

    • @Haupt1
      @Haupt1 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Don’t end colonisation

    • @nvmtt1403
      @nvmtt1403 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@christopher8022 buddy, lets be real. most people living with a $3 minimum wage isnt going to be using cars or living in concrete buildings anyway. this is the loophole of capitalism. Does not matter who votes most, no one is required to contribute to any other group of people in any way.

    • @MrWhitmen1981
      @MrWhitmen1981 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@nvmtt1403with rising sea levels they might want to know to have you know mechanics that under stand boat and car engines. 😂

  • @BrentonReece
    @BrentonReece 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +36

    Full support for New Caledonia independence.
    The French have huge Nickel mines along with other minerals and they have been mining for many years.
    This is the real reason it's taking so long for the indigenous Kanak people to get their independence.

    • @manchagojohnsonmanchago6367
      @manchagojohnsonmanchago6367 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      No kanaks have been a minority since the 19th century... There has been many votes for independence all have failed..

  • @user-lm8xe9cn8z
    @user-lm8xe9cn8z 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    I wonder can Russia and others help now with weapons and experts to freedom fighters like France do in Ukraine or not if they will ask them for help?what will be the difference?

    • @harrowagenda21
      @harrowagenda21 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Azerbaijan is an ally of the Kanak but has sent nothing.

    • @JeanFoutre-yi5us
      @JeanFoutre-yi5us 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​​@@harrowagenda21Because Azerbaidjan is just trying to pull one on France because they want to invade Armenia but Russia and France don't want to
      They don't give a sh... about new caledonia

  • @TheLittleWolf2309
    @TheLittleWolf2309 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +37

    The irony in all of this is that France tried to change the New-Caledonian electorat with French supporters while the immigrants are doing the same in France right now. What France is living with its immigration issues is what Corsica and New-Caladonia have been living under French imperialism … ahh the irony !

    • @tiglishnobody8750
      @tiglishnobody8750 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Only different is France just send their people to New Caledonia they controlled, no one send immigrant to France and no host country control France
      Immigrantion =/= coloznaion

  • @Howiex-is8gq
    @Howiex-is8gq 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    What happened to old calendonia

    • @raclark2730
      @raclark2730 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

      Caledonia is a alternate name for bonnie Scotland.

    • @Howiex-is8gq
      @Howiex-is8gq 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@raclark2730 never heard of it 😂

    • @carkawalakhatulistiwa
      @carkawalakhatulistiwa 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Is like call new york. As old york town in England

    • @JeanFoutre-yi5us
      @JeanFoutre-yi5us 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@carkawalakhatulistiwaOr New Orlean the french town

  • @acemak14721
    @acemak14721 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +106

    We are in 2024 and the French still have a colony. 😐

    • @markojuric4954
      @markojuric4954 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You do not understand democracy . . . 🙂

    • @thorpeaaron1110
      @thorpeaaron1110 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      It's an Overseas Territory.

    • @90taetaeya
      @90taetaeya 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +42

      @@thorpeaaron1110COLONY

    • @SomeoneSomewhere90s
      @SomeoneSomewhere90s 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      @@90taetaeya A colony with subsidies from the central government? With a GDP/capita higher than most of its neighbors?
      And no, I am not French.

    • @mayatara1980
      @mayatara1980 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      Still a colony ​@@SomeoneSomewhere90s

  • @nicolesanto3941
    @nicolesanto3941 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    Free New Caledonia…. 🇳🇨 independence for New Caledonia…

  • @RGJ757
    @RGJ757 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    French lands 10000 miles away? Naah

  • @ElamiteFreeMan
    @ElamiteFreeMan 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    Stand With Caledonia From Iran
    🇮🇷❤️🇳🇨

  • @oliverstianhugaas7493
    @oliverstianhugaas7493 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    France literally fighting to keep a rock in the pacific but will surrender French cities without a fight.

  • @PatrickWamahe-sj5bx
    @PatrickWamahe-sj5bx 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +32

    There's no need for referendum just give the kanak people independence

    • @sidnas92
      @sidnas92 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      What about all the people that have lived there their entire lives that don't want independence? They don't get a say? Why does democracy only seem to matter to people some of the time?

    • @markojuric4954
      @markojuric4954 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@sidnas92 People from four oblasts in Ukraine would agree with you . . . 🙂

    • @nvmtt1403
      @nvmtt1403 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@sidnas92 france can keep paying their salaries, if they really care about them in truth.

    • @JeanFoutre-yi5us
      @JeanFoutre-yi5us 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@nvmtt1403No we're just keeping our oversea territory it's easier and more efficient, cry about it

  • @upward_onward
    @upward_onward 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +56

    Independence to Caledonia

    • @HannibalBarca247BCE
      @HannibalBarca247BCE 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      It's not what the people want.

    • @robertchautardjensen6846
      @robertchautardjensen6846 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Independence voted down three times by an agreed referendum. Riots in 1980's and again now. Do the Kanaks really believe they can gain independence by arson and out of the barrel of a gun? I don't think so.

    • @danielwells774
      @danielwells774 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      China has entered the chat.

    • @linusschmutz3985
      @linusschmutz3985 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Never Europe should rule this world

    • @ModernAffairs.
      @ModernAffairs. 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@robertchautardjensen6846 because Native Kanak population is shrinking now they're around 41% of its population meanwhile French immigrant population is increasing

  • @jt-ttt
    @jt-ttt 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    2024 France still has colony land? what a civilized western world.

  • @zoluhwa3508
    @zoluhwa3508 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    i've been to Noumea several times when i was working in fisheries, its the headquarters for SPC (secretariat of the pacific commission). its a lovely place but i rarely saw any indigenous people when i was there.....

  • @meloriguardo
    @meloriguardo 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    Hey France.. do you remember when you voted for Kosovo independence?

  • @229andymon
    @229andymon 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    Not meaning to belittle a very serious issue, but how did this place get called New Caledonia (Scotland)..?

    • @marccru
      @marccru 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      was wondering the same

    • @jtothed8575
      @jtothed8575 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

      James Cook named it

    • @jameshorner7816
      @jameshorner7816 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Apparently it's coastal cliffs resemble those in Scotland.

    • @V-vk7vo
      @V-vk7vo 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      There was a time when Europeans thought that everywhere should be Europe, and had little to no regard for other people's lived experience in places outside of Europe.

    • @aldozilli1293
      @aldozilli1293 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      ​@@V-vk7vonot just Europeans, stop trying to demonise people just for being born in Europe

  • @nancymarshall6014
    @nancymarshall6014 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    So much unrest. Hopefully the people can come to a solution.

    • @nancymarshall6014
      @nancymarshall6014 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@socarsocar601 perhaps...it's a dam mess.

    • @karnubawax
      @karnubawax 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The people are fine. It's their colonial masters that are not happy.

  • @wolfgangBuonarotti
    @wolfgangBuonarotti 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    "Storm Troopers are leaving Coruscant on a mission to bring the situation on Alderaan under control"

  • @marcbjorg4823
    @marcbjorg4823 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

    France is back to democracy Louis XIV style.

  • @miroslavsarac-prirodaipolj7237
    @miroslavsarac-prirodaipolj7237 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    A gde je Nova Kaledonija? U Francuskoj? Gde?
    2:48

  • @badmawededu6078
    @badmawededu6078 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +61

    Free Kanaky which the colonizer changed its name to New Caledonia. The Kanak people are indigenous to Kanaky(New Caledonia). France must end its colonization, looting and all its known .... in Africa and elsewhere it did colonized and committed crimes for many, many years affecting 100s of millions in their own countries, regions and continents.

    • @blazer9547
      @blazer9547 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Turks did worse.

    • @blazer9547
      @blazer9547 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They voted to stay with France, 3 times.
      Azeri Turks are behind the riots

    • @merrick6484
      @merrick6484 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      French should just pack up and go.

    • @P00009
      @P00009 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@blazer9547 Yes, Turks did worse but France was historical ally of Ottomans and thanks to Paris they expanded. That continues even now, France support harassment of Serbs in Kosovo and Bosnia where literally Ottoman Empire 2.0 is getting built.

    • @user-ek9go3kf2w
      @user-ek9go3kf2w 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      One of their tradition is cannibalism.

  • @bajorjor1
    @bajorjor1 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    Leet us see if there will be protest in universities for this one

    • @harrowagenda21
      @harrowagenda21 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Happening in France

    • @j.r.freeman9420
      @j.r.freeman9420 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Don't need... We, their Pacific Island brothers got their backs

    • @frankyyaggabot6222
      @frankyyaggabot6222 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@j.r.freeman9420 The Melanesians or the Polynesians that used to occupy the islands prior?

    • @whatabouttheearth
      @whatabouttheearth 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Are you referring to protests in US universities? If so you're a brainless wonder.
      Those protests are because the US government funds 60% of the Israeli military and the IDF killed over 35,000 innocent people, and so the students AS US CITIZENS are protesting their government.
      The US government doesn't fund and prop up the French government.

    • @whatabouttheearth
      @whatabouttheearth 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Are you referring to protests in US universities? If so you're a brainless wonder.
      Those protests are because the US government funds 60% of the Israeli military and the IDF killed over 35,000 innocent people, and so the students AS US CITIZENS are protesting their government.
      The US government doesn't fund and prop up the French government.

  • @dominiclawton4281
    @dominiclawton4281 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +50

    New Caledonia kanaks the original people must be given the mandate to choose their own destiny. If its Independence or self government then let it be. This is the 21st century and FRANCE Government must seriously protect and respect the kanaks. That's where all the Melanesians have been living for generations and thousands of years. New Caledonia and West Irians should be free from foreign dominations and given back their liberties like any other Pacific island nations.

    • @jakesaunders8955
      @jakesaunders8955 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      They have been given the right, hence the vote for independence. They voted no 3 times...

    • @user-ek9go3kf2w
      @user-ek9go3kf2w 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Nice, so they will fall under Chinese influence and find a new master. Not sure if Australia will be happy to have a Chinese military base near by.

    • @savanalexis1947
      @savanalexis1947 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@jakesaunders8955do you know that indigionous kanak makes 40 percent of The entire population? Most are caldoches thats why The referendum fail...Thats indigionous Kanak land ..France should leave...They want independence 😊

    • @markwin77
      @markwin77 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      ​@@jakesaunders8955the 3rd 1 was boycotted and the turnout to vote was far less due to covid-19 restrictions therefore a 91% remain. 1st was 41% 2nd was 47% both done 2 years apart the 3rd was done less then 12 months after the last 1 and the French used the Covid-19 pandemic to it's full advantage and the 3rd referendum was also viewed by everyone even the EU as illegal. The 3rd referendum should of been held at 2022.

    • @thegreatnormad3424
      @thegreatnormad3424 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      @@jakesaunders8955they were made minority therefore the referendum is free and fair because the colonial power brought planted new people

  • @jediTempleGuard
    @jediTempleGuard 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    No. Signs of independence. Full support to native Kanak people.

  • @90taetaeya
    @90taetaeya 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    FREE NEW CALEDONIA

  • @MishaElRusito
    @MishaElRusito 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Why would they want independance? Small countries will always be dependant on the big players. At least the french colonies are well kept and organized unlike the english colonies that have turned into ghettos.

  • @neggylydejesus2766
    @neggylydejesus2766 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +33

    Freedom & Independence..✊Equal rights for all. End oppression, colonialism and illegal imperialism around the world!!

    • @freedombro6502
      @freedombro6502 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      Haha naive.
      China will replace France in this case.
      Is that what you call independence? 😂

    • @AH1-sr3bh
      @AH1-sr3bh 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      ​@freedombro6502 China never did anything to the Kanak people, unlike France which literally enslaved them. So go away with that kindergarten logic, whoever the natives choose to do diplomacy with is none of your concern.

    • @shauncameron8390
      @shauncameron8390 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      @@AH1-sr3bh
      But China is no less a colonizer than France. Just ask a Tibetan.

    • @nvmtt1403
      @nvmtt1403 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@freedombro6502 china has no control near australian waters. The natives know that if china plays up, they can just throw them out and the local countries will support them. they know what they are doing.

    • @ninarosalina4896
      @ninarosalina4896 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@freedombro6502Go ayaw coloniser

  • @klmn48
    @klmn48 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Not civil war but independence war!

  • @JeffSichoe
    @JeffSichoe 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    that professor didn't answer a single question he just spat out history lessons

    • @Darkhorse1975
      @Darkhorse1975 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Most of humanities most pressing issues today usually come with a lot of historic baggage.

    • @marcob1729
      @marcob1729 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      almost like current events tend to be rooted in history or something

    • @harrowagenda21
      @harrowagenda21 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      He said what he was asked. Then they turned to another person.

  • @kingpetra6886
    @kingpetra6886 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This sounds hauntingly familiar.

  • @andyscusting7783
    @andyscusting7783 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    What next ? Chinese colony .

  • @Northerner-Not-A-Doctor
    @Northerner-Not-A-Doctor 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Best magpies in the world live on New Caledonia. Magpies free from French colonists!

    • @harrowagenda21
      @harrowagenda21 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      And super intelligent!

  • @freerideralec
    @freerideralec 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    Down with the European colonialism

  • @user-tk8tz7xf1q
    @user-tk8tz7xf1q 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    French Guyana soon do the same people want their freedom and independent now

  • @rosshilton
    @rosshilton 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The French claim it is an integral region of France.
    But when it came to the EU, France claimed New Caledonia was NOT an integral region of France. NC does not use the Euro, it uses the Pacific Franc. New Caledonia does NOT vote for MEPs, and is NOT represented in the European Parliament. The Schengen open border agreement does NOT apply to New Caledonia. Kanaks have no rights to work in the EU.

    • @JeanFoutre-yi5us
      @JeanFoutre-yi5us 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      That's their own choice since they want a bigger autonomy.
      Can't have everything, can't be autonomous and evade Bruxelles tyranny while having all of Bruxelles benefits

  • @graemehuia5964
    @graemehuia5964 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It had too much strategic importance to be given up.

  • @malibufunnyfarmpumpkinpatc2758
    @malibufunnyfarmpumpkinpatc2758 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Amazing that you invited all the people outside instead of someone from there

  • @bhupindertube
    @bhupindertube 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    There were 3 times referendum to get independent if they wanted - all 3 times they voted to stay part of France. Now, some are upset that French people who lived their for 10 years could vote. Lots of strange comments here. Some people need to be educated.

    • @Micha_mg
      @Micha_mg 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Like election cant be rigged when billions of dollars are at stake. You want to look smart, but you’ve managed the opposite, pumpkin.

  • @mariuscash2144
    @mariuscash2144 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Then give the indigenous people the same rights and the same benefits as the people on mainland have

  • @user-tz8kp1vi9v
    @user-tz8kp1vi9v 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Kanaks represent 39% of the population of New Caledonia and their population increases compared to other communities. The Kanak people enjoy wide autonomy and run many territorial institutions. What to say in comparison to the situation in Australia or New Zealand, where the native populations were exterminated (3% of the Australian population) (15% of the New Zealand population) and where their autonomy is marginal. They could also talk about the fate of the native populations of North or South America and their degree of autonomy. Anti-French criticism is based on prejudice...look in your own country at the fate of minorities before criticizing others.

    • @JamesSmith-je7vf
      @JamesSmith-je7vf 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      That is no excuse to continue the subjugation and exploitation of the Kanak people, which is also in violation of the UN Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and People. Kanaks voted 100 % for independence, the fact that the French colonizers want to continue the exploitation is completely irrelevant to the rights of the Kanak people according to international law and UN Charter. As Nelson Mandela said “only through hardship, sacrifice and militant action can freedom be won” and the Kanak people deserve freedom.

  • @willwhite8976
    @willwhite8976 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I’m all down for letting the natives decided their own fate and not have non-natives vote, but let’s keep up this energy in Europe

  • @Samirustem
    @Samirustem 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Its one of those places where locals were not completely exterminated

    • @JeanFoutre-yi5us
      @JeanFoutre-yi5us 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Like basically in 99% of the scenarios...

  • @tamnavac
    @tamnavac 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Freedom for people of Caledonia.

    • @larsrons7937
      @larsrons7937 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      New Caledonia. Calidonia (without new) is a part of Scotland.

  • @taxibaanyoutube9156
    @taxibaanyoutube9156 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    It doesnt have artical 5 protection. So why not invade.

  • @kirkdemi9778
    @kirkdemi9778 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Stand strong my fellow Austronesian brothers/sisters

  • @user-ie3fu7dn5v
    @user-ie3fu7dn5v 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    French Neo colonialism at its finest. I am actually happy that Russia has upset the imperialist status quo in "French West Africa"
    No amount of Euros will douse the indigenous Kanak peoples will for independence

    • @jonye7511
      @jonye7511 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You can't be the brightest if you think Russia has liberated the people... They just replaced their influence their own and now watch the decline of living standards for the ordinary citizens. Only leaders will benefit. Africa 2.0 with Russia the neo-colonialist.

    • @JeanFoutre-yi5us
      @JeanFoutre-yi5us 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      "no amount of euros"
      that's right, even for free they don't want independance, already voted 3 times against it

  • @Blade-ph1kp
    @Blade-ph1kp 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Free New Caledonia

  • @24434adem
    @24434adem 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    Free Caledonia! No more aphartid in 21 century.

    • @HecClaytos4956
      @HecClaytos4956 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Allowing people who've been living in a place for 10 years to vote. Omg such apartheid!

    • @MrWhitmen1981
      @MrWhitmen1981 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      If you think taxation without representation is ok. Prepare to lose and be enslaved by the enlightenment.

    • @JeanFoutre-yi5us
      @JeanFoutre-yi5us 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      "no more apartheid" so you are in favour of France reform to allow French citizens born after 1998 in New Caledonia to get the right to vote? 🤣

  • @scottscouter1065
    @scottscouter1065 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    If white French can "immigrate" into New Caledonia, Kanak citizens can move over to France (schooling, job opportunities)? Seems pretty balanced, eh.

    • @scottscouter1065
      @scottscouter1065 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Both Alaska and Hawaii were "territories" of the USA gained full status as States, so there's that.

    • @jesusaguilar4585
      @jesusaguilar4585 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      ​@@scottscouter1065Hawaii still has a native population that does not want to be part of the US. Hawaii itself only became a territory of the US after the overthrow of the monarchy at the behest of American sugar interests and the sentiments against US rule were born from this.

    • @scottscouter1065
      @scottscouter1065 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@jesusaguilar4585 Hawaii has a very diverse population. Some members of indigenous Hawaiian population have advocated for independence but they have limited support within even within their own communities. The advantages of being US citizens are too good to give up.

    • @robertchautardjensen6846
      @robertchautardjensen6846 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They already do and their studies are paid by France.

    • @jesusaguilar4585
      @jesusaguilar4585 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@scottscouter1065 I'm sure there are some advantages for sor some native peoples in Hawaii as there are for some in the mainland but when it counts for them in times of crisis such as the recent mass fires you will see that the money and funding will not go to them but rather to areas for redevelopment of private interests groups.

  • @deltablueprint3186
    @deltablueprint3186 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nickel is commonly used in Electric Car Batteries, so is Cobalt which is almost exclusively mined in the Republic of Congo in Africa .... Which is also facing a Civil War.

  • @ModernAffairs.
    @ModernAffairs. 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +30

    Make New Caledonia Native Again

    • @user-nz1er3se6b
      @user-nz1er3se6b 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      And it will go down the drain

    • @j.r.freeman9420
      @j.r.freeman9420 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      ​@@user-nz1er3se6bthen so be it... not your decision🤷🏿‍♂️

    • @TheRealZeke2003
      @TheRealZeke2003 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Make Europe European Again

    • @frankyyaggabot6222
      @frankyyaggabot6222 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Can't bring the Lapitas back unfortunately - the Kanaks made sure of that!

    • @j.r.freeman9420
      @j.r.freeman9420 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@TheRealZeke2003 yes and stay there

  • @Imbalanxd
    @Imbalanxd 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I wonder if we will be looking into 3000 years of the islands history to solve this one

  • @sophievernon9040
    @sophievernon9040 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The Kanaks want independence so badly, but they cannot go to polls because of covid. The rest of the population did though. One might suspect that they boycotted the referendum because they were going to lose it for the 3rd time in a row.

  • @bhubestakesoponsatien1143
    @bhubestakesoponsatien1143 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nothing , just SIMPLE INDEPENDENCE

  • @paulgram3967
    @paulgram3967 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Comment la France peut elle prendre une telle décision sans l'autorisation et l'approbation des peuples indigènes,,, C' est un OUTRAGE,,,,

  • @HuplesCat
    @HuplesCat 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Civil war or fighting a european occupation? The main questions I have is who supplied the weapons and why France thinks the Kanak can be ignored?

    • @harrowagenda21
      @harrowagenda21 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      You can openly buy hunting rifles, with a licence, in New Caledonia. However the bullets are running out and all the shops are closed.

  • @juntianwei9273
    @juntianwei9273 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    So many self entitled people supporting colonialism🤢

  • @jra.m5924
    @jra.m5924 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The population of New Caledonia? Which are you referring too? Including the colonies civilians

  • @matisg142
    @matisg142 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Why is EU quite about it...when they lecture others about democracy...shame on EU and france

    • @marccru
      @marccru 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The EU is in a weird position right now.

  • @MegaValen83
    @MegaValen83 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Well if that isn't a biased document, what is...

  • @matthewjay660
    @matthewjay660 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    9:18 "Brûling" = franglais for "burning."

  • @IronMan-if4ke
    @IronMan-if4ke 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +29

    New Caledonia had 3 referendums for independence from 🇫🇷 and all 3 times voted to stay French. Make up your minds.

    • @markojuric4954
      @markojuric4954 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      And who made the law on referendums and, most importantly, who counts the votes . . .

    • @savanalexis1947
      @savanalexis1947 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Hi IronMan-if4ke, who makes up more of The population Kanak or caldoches? And New caledonia is for Kanak or caldoches???😊if you know The answer then stop Saying The Referendum

    • @IronMan-if4ke
      @IronMan-if4ke 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Just vote and get a majority of residents to vote for independence. France won’t get its feelings hurt, and more likely be glad no longer have to pay a fortune for that island, its infrastructure and services. But I have a sneaky suspicion that locals, like those in Corsica, want that safety net financial guarantee from 🇫🇷.

    • @DineshTwanabasu
      @DineshTwanabasu 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      ​@@IronMan-if4keHahaha, french just loots others, we know 500 years of history and looting since then. So leave them alone

    • @vastpeople9623
      @vastpeople9623 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      Grow up, majority vote is the French settles, and token immigrants who despise the Kanak people. The Kanak voted for independence constantly.

  • @Wolfvain-qs5su
    @Wolfvain-qs5su 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Let me guess it's Putin Fault?

    • @jonye7511
      @jonye7511 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Israel's. America's.

    • @shizzynwa
      @shizzynwa 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      They will blame it on Trump somehow.

    • @GokhanGursel-eu1xm
      @GokhanGursel-eu1xm 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Actually azerbaijan, frenchs are nuts

    • @ooloongjohnson4015
      @ooloongjohnson4015 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      nah, it's America's fault, obviouly. American spies and stuff

  • @jiaweike3518
    @jiaweike3518 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    "New Caledonia" will become a great tourist destination in a few years when the unrest calms down. It will probably be similar to "Hawaii" The island is close to other islands in Oceania. (This means the island will attract other islanders)

    • @Liana_St
      @Liana_St 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      It's similar to Hawaii now. In a few years under Chinese regime New Caledonia at the very best become poor, corrupt, full of crime like neighboring Papua New Guinea.

    • @jiaweike3518
      @jiaweike3518 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@Liana_St According to sources online; It is a French Colony. So the French have authority over it. I don't know if the Chinese want to rule "New Caledonia". I doubt it. There isn't much interest. I don't speak on behave of the Chinese.

    • @user-ek9go3kf2w
      @user-ek9go3kf2w 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@jiaweike3518 Well, the indigenous people are aware about this?

    • @kehn9
      @kehn9 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      20 year or maybe not

    • @frankyyaggabot6222
      @frankyyaggabot6222 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Nothing like Hawaii - it used to be (with a Polynesian population). This population was massacred by the colonising Kanaks (Melanesians). It will probably end up like Papua New Guinea.

  • @stvdmc2011
    @stvdmc2011 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    native wants independence which the frenchy don't want to give up.

  • @user-pl3lo8cc8y
    @user-pl3lo8cc8y 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I would like to see them become independent, but I’m afraid that they would be invaded by another country eventually…or become indebted to or exploited by another country.

    • @IMSerious209
      @IMSerious209 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      A very likely scenario. Suspect current unrest is being fanned by opportunistic forces.

    • @j.r.freeman9420
      @j.r.freeman9420 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      They will seek new allies to do business and probably protect them... it pays to be nice to the natives... always

  • @cybergeek9152
    @cybergeek9152 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Free Caledonia 😢😢😢

  • @voiceofreason2674
    @voiceofreason2674 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Go ask haiti algeria lebanon how independence worked out for them. Dysfunction and despair be grateful for having the french to lead you

  • @dariusnikbin1695
    @dariusnikbin1695 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Freedom for New Caledonia!

  • @stchaltin
    @stchaltin 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    When you send police internationally, don’t they become some sort of military instead of a police force? I feel like this is disingenuous to all parties involved.

    • @robertchautardjensen6846
      @robertchautardjensen6846 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Ahhh so you think France should not protect all New Caledonians from a small minority who are rioting, destroying property and murdering people.

    • @MrWhitmen1981
      @MrWhitmen1981 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Legally for France it’s defined as a domestic issue.

  • @2Sage-7Poets
    @2Sage-7Poets 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    oh my new caledonia is a beautiful island.. why

    • @Micha_mg
      @Micha_mg 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Why what, pumpkin?

  • @ramanrai-fj2qx
    @ramanrai-fj2qx 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Free from france

  • @rockpadstudios
    @rockpadstudios 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Those resources directly or indirectly are necessary for our modern world. It's not like they are mining the resources and France is stopping them. The modern world needs resources and it would be a different story if it affected your way of life. So if France moves put all the productivity will stop.

  • @KM-nt6vf
    @KM-nt6vf 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    It is unbelievable that there are still the colonized places in the world. Strong countries still exploit small countries. So sad. Just let all places independent.

  • @LeahandBlair
    @LeahandBlair 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Give it to Australia 🇦🇺

    • @LeahandBlair
      @LeahandBlair 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Before the Chinese do a deal! 🎉

  • @Rizzgaming01
    @Rizzgaming01 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    It's time, rise up stand up, stand up for your rights

  • @clashking9710
    @clashking9710 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    if they become independent they will just be another Haiti

    • @BlackScisir
      @BlackScisir 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah let's not immediatly crucify france for not giving independence to a colony that voted 3 times to stay a colony. I'm all for independence to all nations but a lot of times these colonial areas actually receive more money from the government than they produce. I'm going to need more information to make up my mind. Maybe it really is just a bunch of hooligans.

  • @karnubawax
    @karnubawax 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Another manifestation of "You will own nothing and be happy."

  • @MoSylla45
    @MoSylla45 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    That territory doesn’t belong to france. That territory with return sooner or later to its true owner: the *people of Kanaky* . France is in europe.

  • @alexandrcorbin1709
    @alexandrcorbin1709 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Free Caledonia!

  • @benjauron5873
    @benjauron5873 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The indigenous are the majority on the northeast side of the island, and French are the majority on the southwest side of the island, right? Then split the island in two. Draw a line through the middle, the southwest side stays French, and the northeast side becomes independent. People who would rather live on the other side of the island can move. There, problem solved.
    In the American Revolution, a lot of people were loyalists. When the revolution ended and the patriots won, the loyalists didn't leave North America, they just moved to Canada. The emigration of loyalists during the American Revolution is why Canada and the United States are different countries, and why the majority of Canadians speak English instead of French today.
    We don't have to get real creative here, all we have to do is look to history for solutions that have worked in other times and places. This ain't rocket surgery, people.

    • @nvmtt1403
      @nvmtt1403 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      compare french and british history. when has france ever given up territory voluntarily?

    • @benjauron5873
      @benjauron5873 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@nvmtt1403 What’s that have to do with what I said?

    • @V-vk7vo
      @V-vk7vo 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Or, the Kanak assert their right of self-determination free of European colonization, form government, and gain independence. Anyone who wants to stay can stay.

    • @nvmtt1403
      @nvmtt1403 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@benjauron5873 you are either naive or delusional if you think the french will split the territory without violence. they dont do that.

    • @benjauron5873
      @benjauron5873 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @nvmtt1403 First of all, you're wrong. Not every former colonial possession of France's is Indochina or Algeria, those are two outliers. France granted most independence without violence. But more importantly, *THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT I SAID!* Even of you were right, and countries like Madagascar, Guinea, Gabon, Chad, etc. only got their independence after protracted colonial wars, it doesn't change the point I made in my original post. My point is about what they SHOULD do TODAY, not what they HAVE done in THE PAST. You SERIOUSLY need to work on your reading comprehension skills, dude.