Video response to Glenn Fricker | Spectre Sound | 5150 vs Dual Rectifier
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- Does a 5150 & Dual Rectifier sound the same??? Do different amps change your sound??? My opinion...
Oh btw... to be transparent.... my signal chain is just the dual rectifier plugged into my IR load box and the 6505+ plugged into the IR load box so there is NO OTHER POSSIBLE VARIANCE!
Check out Jon's video comparing several amp's in the links below:
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The biggest difference in the sound you hear depends on whether or not your shirt has sleeves. 😁
Very accurate analogy...
I think Glenn was saying that it is possible to dial the amps to sound similar. So why buy another amp?
Your video shows the optimal settings for each amp which i think is a more practical approach.
I agree with you kaddy.
It's possible to make a dual rectifier sound like a 6505+... But I don't think its possible to make a 6505+ sound like a dual rectifier.
Rectifiers are a lot more versatile.
Glenn Fcker is making every amp sound like shit. Show me one EXCEPTIONAL mix that he has done. His mixes aren't good.
Agree@@DrGand
Glenn deleted my comment and blocked me from his channel after making a comment with a link to this video 😂
Happy days, now you don’t have to listen to the 🤡 anymore.
The problem with Glenn is he spends a lot of time listening to guitar but not playing it. The guys just as immature in real life, I've been talking to him by email, he still thinks I'm a snake oil salesman even after hearing my demos
Glenn's video annoyed me because my Rev G sounds different in a lot of ways to my reissue block letter or any of my other amps, so I knew Glenn had to have done something to get the amps sounding so similar. I agree with Glenn That speakers and cabs make a massive difference, no debating that, but with my channel I basically use one IR all the time and all my amps sound widely different so trying to push the idea the amp doesn't matter rubbed me the wrong way, especially when Glenn's methods here and how he got them sounding so similar don't add up or seem entirely honest.
What everybody seems to miss is that GLENN FRICKER IS A GIANT CLICKBAIT MONSTER. Glenn loves the fact that guys do "rebuttal videos" because it drives more viewers to his crappy content.
I am pretty sure Ola did a video on why all his guitar tracks 'sound the same'.
People forget that next to the speaker, a lot of recorded guitar tone we are hearing is actually due to mic(s) and mic placement. The speaker and the mic are two very big filters that dramatically shape tone. In reality, recorded guitar tones are a kind of 'snap shot' that capture a part of what we hear in a room, which is not only the entire frequency output of the cabinet but also the reflections in the room itself.
@@paulemillevasseur7622 I agreed in the video the speaker/IR make the biggest difference and people should try those before buying a bunch of amps. Wasn't really the point, it was about being able to get big tone differences with amps as well, and Glenn being misleading about it.
@@MetalHeadProductions Ola made a similar video awhile back but he's not catching hate because he's not a dumbass.
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I mean, all high gain amps each have a unique tonal fingerprint but at the end of the day, they're all a finger. I think that's the point.
@@paulemillevasseur7622 oh I'm aware of that video. I agree the biggest difference is speakers, mics and cabs, I even say that in this video. Those are the biggest factors. Glenn was just being hyperbolic and misleading by saying its the cab making them sound identical, when I can get very different results with just the amp.
Glenn Fricker just got debunked 😂
Thanks for this video 🔥💪🔥
Ive owned both amps. There is a clear difference between the two amps. Boogies have a looser gain tone than compared to a 5150. They sound fantastic blended together. But I do agree about cabinets changing a tone with lows mids and highs for frequency. But cabinets do not affect the type of gain. I understand how Dual Recs and 5150s come from a similar copied SLO circuit but the tweaks in the gain structure with their various resistors, capacitors and such give them their noticeable characteristics. Not all gain sounds the same.
What the hell is a "loose" gain tone?
@@eliassimon666A tone that sounds somewhat muddy and less tight in the lower frequencies.
@eliassimon666 This is how an amp designer described it to me years ago and it makes sense. Take the sound of gain/distortion. The sizzle chugga chugga sound metal heads love. Now picture the rate of distortion or gain being slowed down slightly. It becomes a little loose sounding with a little more depth in the lows of the gain. Hope that helps. The loose term has been around a very long time.
@@ordohereticus3427 Oh, "loose" means "less tight"? Wow, that really clears things up!
@@JimsMusicJourney I think I know what you mean, but I want to see if you can come up with a specific example in recorded music. I have one in mind (famous old school death metal), but I don't wanna just give you something that ends up confirming what you might not actually have a clear mental picture of.
I heard a difference in tone immediately!!
The 5150 has more top end!
Glen should change his name to bean. 😂
Bean Fricker.
Great to see you do a response video, that big oaf Glenn is hard to listen to, he’s probably seen your Orange super crush video and got a bit upset, bless him 😂
Oaf NOT oath 😃👍
i highly doubt glenn even knows this guy exists
@@lordgarbage4319 He literally names him in the video, lol.
@@travisspaulding2222 but knowing glenn, does he care enough to even check out this guy's videos? I'd bet my ass he doesn't seeing he found his comment so stupid
I think Glenn's amps sound the same cos he has ton of processing on master bus.
Yes you can male any two amps sound similar, that's what eq and post processing is there for.
However every amp has a specific sweet spot, where the mix of tone thickness, attack, definition and eq characteristics are at their best. Those sweet spots vary greatly from amp to amp.
So two amps can sound similar if they are dialed up in reference to one another, but completely different if dialed up in reference to their own best tone possible.
In a recording scenario, any high gain amp will do given the proper settings. But in a serious production it takes trial and error and multiple sessions, to see what amp was more comfortable achieving the desired result.
I'm pretty sure I've read that Killswitch engage used different amps for different song recordings (the mesa/framus era) for the exact same reason. I also recall Biomechanical's third album being made with different amps for different parts of a song, for the exact same reason.
Why is Glen relevant? please
How exactly is this even a question? I don't understand. Many parts of the amp go into the tone. From the tone stack, to the number of stages of amplification, to how those stages are biased, to the negative feedback in the amp.
And the transformers. Hartley Peavey discussed how important the output transformers are to the sound.
@@user-mr1ku5iz8l I believe that a too small OT is part of the charm of the Champ circuit.
That’s awesome mate. ✊🇦🇺
Flawless victory.
Glen probably won’t respond to this. lol
Greenbacks sound good on that Mesa. Stuffy on the Peavey
Subbed. I have 5150/dual rec MW, elmwood modena, uberschall, crate blue voodoo. They all sound different. Can i make them all sound similar in a youtube video? Yes. I can run a boost thru them all and pre and post eq them to sound similar. Do they sound the same IN PERSON, NO!!!!!
So according to glen anyone can go with a boss katana head and record with good speakers and mics and make it sound like any amp then lol
Subbed! Your content is better than his 😂😂
Greeting from over the ditch!! 💪🏻😎👍🏻
glen has a dead ear. So it's no wonder all his mixes sound the same
Seeing someone I know get roped into youtube drama was not on my 2024 bingo card. Hope the place is a lot cooler now with the insulation :)
Do I know you? Who is it? Beavis or Butthead? 😂
I commented this on Glenn's video so I feel it's worth pointing out here, too. Some cabs let the amp's natural sound through, other cabs have more distinct sounds that mask the amp somewhat. For example, I have a single recto and a rockerverb, they are nowhere near similar amps but sound surprisingly close through my 412 with eminence legends. However through my mesa cab, it'sa night and day difference between the two.
So it's not JUST a debate of which is more important, amp or cab, because some cabs will show the differences between amps more and others will hide them. In other words, whether the amp or cab is more important depends on the cab.
Hell, it's not just cabs. I notice some amps let the distinct sound of my distortion pedals through very well, others kind of smooth over their character and it just sounds like different flavors of the same amp. All this to say, it's complicated.
While I think Glenn had a point, I did feel his video was a little reductive. Though I do agree that guitarists maybe shouldn't obsess over tone too much (myself included lol)
That is a true phenomena actually... I've noticed that too on some cabs but not sure if it's due to that specifically or whether it's the chosen mic and position since different cabs seem to have different sweet spots etc...
@@KaddysJamKaveThat's another layer of complication - I'm sure some mics and some mic positions let the true sound of the amp/cab through while others hide it more. Point being, this is all very complicated, the answer to everything is "it depends", and you really can't make definitely statements like "amp matters less"
On the forum "Musiker-Board", eons ago, Lasse Lammert posted the sound of several different high gain amps and they all sounded the same [when EQ was in neutral position]. Many couldn't believe it and thought it was a prank. But it wasn't.
And yet when you directly record most amps sound quite different. The only other variable that can make a 5150 and dual rectifier sound near identical is what mic you are using, where you mic it and what post processing is going on. The old school way of micing a cabinet with an sm57 doesn't really capture how the amp actually sounds.
@@KaddysJamKaveYeah, I think there will be an ongoing debate over the topic. I also believe that a JCM800 which I also consider a high-gain amp would make a huge difference to a 5150 due to its sparkly highs when clean-boosted to the gain territory off the others. You got a point.
@@InTheSh8 A JCM 800 is not a high gain amp on it's own stock.
@@TheBoss0Time Isn't that what I said?! You have to "help" it for sure. But then, it CAN!
@InTheSh8 Not from what I read. But sure an overdrive infront of a JCM 800 does it well for high gain.
Is it Dumbo's feather yet? 🪶
Glenn likes trolling. His videos are mostly made for entertainment.
Every serious musician, producer knows that even replacing the same power amp valves can make the same amp sound different. So imagine for two differently voiced amps…
If you’re going out of your way to fuck around to massive extremes with EQ and other effects/techniques - sure you can make amps sound similar. Classic example of just because you can doesn’t mean you should.
You're implying a downside. What's that specific downside?
Glen's presentation needs to be more accurate. As you said, he tried to match the amps and dial the settings so that they would sound close.
That's a wrong presentation. An accurate would be to dial the amps with the same settings (let's say everything at 12:00), and that's how you can hear the difference.
I think you missed the point.
Of course you can get two amps to sound different. In fact I can get one amp to sound different from itself. The point of the video is that both amps, the 5150 and Rectifier are based on the same circuit (i.e. stolen from Soldano) and it is possible to get them to sound i the same ballpark.
Nar you missed the point... He was saying when recorded they sound basically the same and yet they are very different on my recording. It would be a hell of a job to make them both sound the same in the room because of the fact that they are 2 very distinct amps regardless of the so called circuitry similarities. I bet you don't own both. It seems those that don't own these amps are the loudest in their opinion and yet are talking out their arses and taking Glens word as "The truth" instead of finding out for themselves.
"wElL, mY aMpS sOuNd DiFfErEnT wHeN i MaKe ThEm SoUnD dIfFeReNt" 🤣
And here's Glenn: wElL mY aMpS sOuNd tHe sAmE wHeN i MaKe tHeM sOuNd tHe sAmE.
He dimes the gain on his amps. No wonder he thinks they all sound the same, lol.
"wElL, mY aMpS sOuNd tHe SaMe wHeN i MaKe ThEm SoUnD tHe SaMe" 🤣
“i MaKE LoADed CoMmENTs BrCauSe iM A dIsHonESt ShItStAin”
“EVerYtHinG soUnDs ThE SaME wHEn i EQ UnD POsT ProDuCe iT tO sOuNd ThE sAME-AMAZin” 😂😂😂
I do hear a difference between the amps.
Sorry, did I say amps? I meant RIGS.
Your demo isn't worth much, if the amps you featured aren't the only variable,
which we don't know, scince you didn't disclose what your "down-stream" signal-chain is.
If the amps were plugged into the cabs that they were sitting on, that test would become pretty much worthless.
Also, if the amps are set to different EQ-settings, then OF COURSE they're going to sound different,
but then the difference comes from the EQ, not necessarily the amp.
If you want to truly prove your point, do that demo again, this time isolating the amps as the only variable.
Plug them into the same cab and mic up the same speaker (or better yet, into a load box in combination with an IR),
prefferably use a reamp box running the same DI-track through both amps,
if you're micing up the cab instead of using IR's, make sure the mic-position doesn't change even by a milimetre between the takes.
Set the amps EQ-knobs to the same positions on BOTH amps, (that "dialing it in for that amp to sound best" is very counter-productive to your argument)
If you still get massive differences in tone between the amps with all those other variables elliminated, you'll have me convinced.
The amps were plugged directly into an IR box and reamped. The only possible variable is the amp heads and nothing else.
@@KaddysJamKaveOk, thanks for clearing that up. That does in fact change the findings of your demos.
@@ichbrauchmehrkaffee5785 Are you that stupid to think the amp doesn't make a difference? You are out of your mind boy.
Wow!!!
@@KaddysJamKaveGlenn’s video sounds substantially produced, which could introduce more variables than just a raw capture/simpler mix with amps using the same cabinet and mic placement.
This is stupid. The amps may even sound different when all the knobs are at noon (not sure what eq settings you're using for the amps in your comparison). That has no effect on what Glenn was saying. You can clearly make one amp sound very close to the other with just tweaking the eq knobs. If so, his point was, why waste 2000$ on a new amp? This would be like having two parametric EQs whose default presets are different, so they sound different, but aren't actually different. If one EQ loads with a 5db boost at 2k and the other loads with a 5db cut at 300hz, if you just slap them on a track without changing the default settings, they are gonna sound different. But if you take out those cuts and boosts, they are gonna sound identical. You wouldn't buy both EQs just because they load with different default presets now would you? That would be stupid.
Another viewer whom suckles at the taint of Glenn Fricker.
Watched Jim Lill's video, then Glenn's, and finally yours.
My knowledge is limited so the only conclusion is based on evidence you all three provided. I think Jim Lill's video shown clearly that key difference between amps is how filters in chain change tone, but key thing in amp that generate sound is actually very similar between all amps. Glenn's video boiled down to one snippet he has said which I would paraphrase as "if you can dial amps to sound the same, why buy so many of them".
Idea that amps can sound different from each other is highly reductive since same amp with different position of knobs can sound different. Broader point was always that speakers, and microphones make far bigger difference than amplifier.
I wasted time on pointless drama.
I think a lot of people are missing the boat with the actual truth. You have to put amps into categories to make any of their conclusions really true. When it comes to guitar sounds, you have to check the boxes. If you pull your granddad's Twin Reverb out of the basement, No amount of V30s or microphones will make it sound like a 5150. Likewise, there is a reason you don't see blues, country, or indy guitar players using something like a 5150 or Engl. Rectifiers, on the other hand, are incredibly versatile, so it is common to see them used in country, rock, and metal. Sure, it can do high gain, and when you dime the gain, it'll sound similar, but when you start to turn the gain knob down and utilize the lower gain channels, it is doing shit that a 5150 can't do without a lot of help. The thing about Glenn is that he dimes out the gain on his amps, and then wonders why they all sound the same.
@@travisspaulding2222SMG is about high gain metal tone and for that application especially, as you have said, they are virtually the same.
@@sevjij I think Glenn is ridiculously short sighted on this aspect though. Most "high gain" metal tones are working with gain levels much lower than Glenn is using. Me personally, on an EVH 5150 red channel, I never push the gain passed noon. Glenn records with full gain. That's just ridiculous. He also raves about In Flames Clayman tone. When you get to the first verse, it's a clean tone. In Flames uses cleans throughout that album. Ignoring clean and crunch tones in metal is very narrow minded and short sighted. And he wonders why metal guitarists push back on him so much. Because to agree with him, it can't be a general statement. It has to be high gain, metal, humbuckers, and only in the studio. Most of us operate in the real world, lol.
@@travisspaulding2222 🤷 I won't discuss his overuse of high gain before watching someone far far more competent than me doing A/B comparison proving that you can achieve better or similar tone to one he shows in demos by not overdoing only gain knob.
As for last statement that to agree with him it has to be high gain, metal, humbuckers in the studio, I would agree. Since as far as I know, that's mission statement of his channel.
I also agree that he has blind spot for clean-ish tone in metal recordings, without those metal loses a lot of dynamic and contrast.
But as far as original point, whether amplifiers make a lot of difference? I would still agree with him that they make far less of impact than speakers and mics, and it is better to have very limited amount of amps.
Which is why I like Jim Lill's video that correctly creates list of what actually differs in circuits of amps, and it is helpful in selecting small amount of amps that actually differ between each other and will help you in creating different tones.
And you are clearly not disputing it, but I feel the urge to reiterate it nevertheless. That cabinet video of Jim Lill's, even in clearly low-gain scenario, amp and mics make more pronounced difference in end-result than amp itself.
@@sevjij I'm very protective of my money, so it's not lost on me when I see a wall of amps, and they are all variations of the same amp, normally the SLO 100. I don't think I've ever owned more than 3 amps at any one time, simply because it's not practical. I think I saw Glenn say on a video that he is going to shoot out a Valveking and a 5150 (or maybe the Mesa). I've owned a Valveking, a 5150, and a Dual Rectifier at some point. Those three amps have some distinct differences. Especially the Valveking. Not a bad amp, but it needs a lot of help. The sizzle is very strong. If he shoots those out, and they sound the same, I'm definitely calling bullshit on his channel. I've owned the VK, and there are some serious limitations with the gain channel. I think it's a great pedal platform, but the high gain channel needs some serious help from an EQ in the loop.
Glenn's video is pretty clear but for some reason you guys seems to not understand..
2:48 really dude? o . O
If that's the case then please explain so I can correct you...
The author completely missed the point of Glenn's message.
Lol then please explain...
@KaddysJamKave , While chasing the preferred tone, it's very easy to dial the amps to sound very similar in the context of a mix. And in this case, the IR/CAB is a huge tone-tuning point. And the variance of tone driven by IR/CAB is so wide that, in practice, you don't need that many amps. Your example shows the opposite: the amps' tones are quite different from the beginning and the rest makes no sense.
@@ir5947 🤨
Glenns message is CLEAR: Sub so he can get money. CLick the like button and sub so he can get his play button and get more dollars. The actual things Glenn says are bat crap cra cra. All he wants is money.
Fricker is just attention seeking by way of being obnoxious. Of course they sound different.
I think your'e missing the point Glen was making.
Pretty sure another one of Glenn's points have been debunked here which has happened several times in the past few years. 🤷♂️
10:49 That is completely out of the context that Glenn is speaking of. He is EXCLUSIVELY focusing on a recording and mixing context. He also did point that out a couple of times. But maybe he needs to put that as a disclaimer in every tone-related video of his in the future.
You certainly can make every amp sound like crap and then proclaim that "amps do not matter".
It’s actually not out of context at all. Glenn constantly claims that the only thing worth changing to get a different tone is the speakers, without showing any of his settings or what is going on with his signal chain. To be honest the largest change would actually be the guitar pick you use and your picking technique, but hey Glenn’s guitar playing is so shite he wouldn’t really know would he 😉
HOw does the ball sweat of Glenn Fricker taste? Because CLEARLY you would know.
Yup. He has to write this loud and proud for the idiots in the back.
His point is that the speaker, mic, and mic placement all make shocking changes to guitar tone so this is the best place to invest money for the sake of recording metal guitars. He's basically saying get a good guitar, a good amp, and then make sure you get the cab, speaker, and mic combination you need to get the exact tone you want. If you don't like something about your tone, concentrate here first before you blow tonnes of money on more guitar heads, tubes, guitars, pickups, cables, etc.
At the same time, I can appreciate how this is a bit of a non-issue for many younger players since hybrid and digital only systems are so popular among these players. Analog rigs aren't the be all and end all and at the end of the day, the solution that matters is the one that works.
@@paulemillevasseur7622 Nope, he went out of his way to demonstrate that amps sound the same through the same speakers - they don't. He post EQed them to sound the same. Now, let's assume you know what you are talking about and are versed in music production, care to share with us some of your mixes as proof you know what you're talking about?
meh. diminishing returns. I use a Microcube GX IDGAF
Glenn is one of those engineers that uses way too much gain, so naturally, the sounds will be similar. If my band didn't record ourselves, he's one of those engineers I'd never go to because everything sounds the same. If you do this long enough, you'll learn that some engineers use techniques they've learned to capture a band and their sound. Then there are engineers that makes everyone sound the same. You listen to the recordings from their studio, and you have a hard time differentiating the bands until the vocalist comes in. Glenn is one of those engineers. Even when he changes speakers to talk about the great difference in tone, they are still really close. The fact is, there is an entire signal chain and all of it makes some minute difference. Of course, speakers, amps, and pedals are the biggest shifts, but when it comes to cutting through the mix, you have to look at it all.
I can tell that videos from Sonic Drive Studio aren't done properly. What you understand as 'post processing' to make amps sound the same, it is actually just removing other variables such as loudness. You need to use same loudness to compare tone, because you're comparing tone (Frequency Response) not volume (Loudness).
Ok that's your opinion. I find it hilarious that you think the amps sound different because it's not "recorded properly". But I care more about what amps sound like IN THE ROOM more than what they sound like in post processing in a studio because I have the ability to crank them loud and jam with bands in here often. All my amps sound quite different, feel and respond different at loud volumes in the real world vs pulling myself in a studio all day every day and processing / filtering the audio.
@@KaddysJamKaveAnd post-processing doesn’t introduce more confounders. It isn’t just about evening the volume.
Likely not the case.
We can make this even simpler. Record a dry track and then re-amp it through just the pre-amps of a Bogner Uberschall and an Engl Invader while using the exact same IR. Even the volume with absolutely no other processing. They are going to sound different.
That said, speakers and EQ adjustments can make a massive difference to the sound. Hell, I’d say they could make the majority share of the difference in overall tone in a mix, but that doesn’t negate the distinct voicing and distortion characteristics of a given amp.
Both based off of and different enough from the Soldano to avoid lawsuits. Let us know when you realize you're splitting hairs. They're close enough that an audience won't know or care about the difference. Glen's while point quit wasting time and money - go make music - quit idolizing gear - go make music.
Look, I know this is my third comment (not counting replies to other comments, lol) but hear me out.
Glenn never said, that the speaker is "the only" thing that changes guitar tone, as you stated at 0:32. (classic strawman argument)
Glenn also never said, that a 5150 and a MB Dual-Rectifier sound "the same", he even acknowledges that they're different in the clip you featured at 4:40. (also a strawman)
His main argument is, that spending thousands of dollars on a new amp to get a different tone for recording is a waste of money,
especially when you take into account, that the amount of change you get is not that great (at least according to his tests)
Instead, he promotes the idea, that changing out the speaker for a different one is the superior strategy, as it is (according to him) both more effective and cheaper.
Lastly, I want to point out, that the claim (for which there's no evidence) that he manipulated his tests by purposely eq-ing the amps to sound the same,
does not make any sense when considering the fact that he encourages, even challenges others to make their own tests.
I clarified what he said a couple seconds after what you quote me on... "Speakers make the biggest change to your tone" and even partially agreed so it's not a straw man at all. I was merely being sarcastic because he keeps emphasizing about speakers in multiple videos and rejects that different amps can also have just as much effect on your tone. Your second point isn't true... yes he acknowledges there is a "minor" shift in tone that is barely noticeable in his example and yet there is a massive shift in tone on my example... you know why? Because I didn't dial in the 5150 like mud to match the dual rectifier's very scooped / low mid heavy tone... the 5150 is a very mid heavy and bright amp when you don't forcibly hold it back. I reject your straw man claim and I never cared much for Ray Bolger LOL :D. Lastly... (no evidence) The fact that my tests show a major difference between the two is evidence enough... if you own both amps you know damn well they sound nothing a like in the room or when recorded... unless you dial it in such a way as to sound the same. There is no other possible way they sound THAT close. Anyways... it doesn't matter... I proved my point and people can decide for themselves if they are interested in the topic or go do their own testing and see what happens.
@@KaddysJamKaveWell, until I read your reply to one of my other comments, I would've disaggreed that you proved your point
because up until I read that reply, it was unclear, if the amp was truly the only variable.
And as long as it's not fully discolsed in the video, that still remains an uncertainty for others watching your video
(unless of course they bother to dig through the comments and find your reply to my other comment)
@@KaddysJamKaveI have to admit, I was a bit fast to reply when I wrote this yesterday and didn't pick up on the sarcasm and just took it at face value.. sorry.
@@ichbrauchmehrkaffee5785 All good man, don't blame you for being skeptical since I didn't specifically mention my method. I'll add the details to the description to make it more clear. Thanks for the reminder.
@@KaddysJamKaveSo, about the amps sounding the same if dialed in a specfic way :
I think it is very important to point out the context I mentioned in the original comment above.
The main point of Glenn's "crusade" on guitar tone has been to challenge the things we've been told by guitar magazines and the guitar industry.
"If you get these pickups, your tone will sound MUCH DIFFERENT."
"If you get this amp, it will completely tranform your tone".
"Mahogany sounds much warmer than alder"
But NOONE ever talks about the speaker (until now). Only through Glenn's tests have I started to consider the speaker as a vital component in the guitar signal tone chain.
That is the whole point. The speaker plays a much bigger role in tone, than is talked about,
while being significantly cheaper than top-tier tube-amps
(the cheapest soldano tube-head starts at $ 2,000, the 5150 and Dual-Rectifier can be had for above $1,000 used)
And as Glenn pointed out in his most recent video (where he featured you in "Butthurt Of The Week"):
If you can get a Dual Rectifier and a 5150 to sound very similar just by dialing them in,
is it really justifiable to spend a 4-digit pricetag on a new amp, when a very similar tone can be had by turning a few knobs for free?
Glenn is a funny guy. A few years back he wasnt the raving wet blanket about speakers,pickups or gear that he has become lately. I fear his likes, views and sub's are more important than he being objective. He embellishes the negative's and seems too negate any positives on some subjects. I know what my ears of 50 plus years tell me. A Dimarzio is better than an Epi pickup, A Vintage 30 kills and is a noticeable upgrade over many stock speaker options. I also can easily tell the difference of well EQ'd tube amp and a Well EQ'd Solid state or modeler when playing the 2 in a comparison. Glenn would have me believe my ears and brain have been lying to me this whole time. Sorry but I strongly disagree with Glenn and many of his tonal observations. Also Glenn cant really play all that great in the first place imo. I can hear a big difference between a 5150 and Recto. In fact its very obvious. But of course you can eq them too sound similar. But why would you want that.
its funny because alot of bands i liked as a teen always played rectos and i got be able to differentiate them by their distinctive background noise which to me sounds like a distorted hair dryer.so when i first saw Glenns headline i thought he was being ridiculous.
He sells IRs now, so he has a direct motivation to mislead you into buying his IRs. He also has worked with Harley Benton in the past, so I'm not sure if that relationship is still alive or not, but he does seem to push the shit out of their cabinets. He's not the saint he tries to make himself out to be. He isn't just trying to save people money. He just wants to funnel that money into places that benefit him.
@@travisspaulding2222 You're the first person I've seen touch on this point, and I feel the same way. In Glenn's video that's being discussed here, he subtly mentions some options for Palmer cabs at about the 12:30 mark, and he briefly shows their website. When I first saw that, my immediate reaction was that he might be getting some kickback to push those cabs. Ultimately, his intentions might be good and maybe he is trying to save people some money. But like you said, I think he's definitely making some money by pushing people toward certain cabinets and/or speakers.
What I think about every time I click on one of his videos: "On today's episode of: ANGRY GUY YELLING!!!!"
Wow. A viewer who gets it. You must be one of the 600,000 whom don't sub and like Glenn's videos. Kudos to you for being smart.
Yeah, I've been watching his videos for several years and generally like and get something from it. But certain things such as the intermittent completely unnecessary strong anti-Christian rhetoric causes me to click away and to avoid watching for some months until I stumble once again on one of his videos and give it another chance. Everyone's got a right to an opinion, though IMO a lack of a filter regarding such topics likely turns away more people than it attracts. And though sometimes I am a bit surprised at how similar some things can be made to sound, I also know things that can sound similar can also be made to sound (and react) very differently from each other. For example, I bought a DiMarzio neck pickup recently, and it definitely sounds very different and noticeablly less powerful than most other single coils I use. It does sound good but has to be fought with more to try to make up for the lack of gain in comparison to the bridge pickup. There are many variables, and though I do believe one can use one high gain amp to get tones that will cover well enough a lot of ground that others do, I also agree with your sentiment, and my 6505+ is still a different animal than a Dual Rec or a Mark series Mesa.
Also, I got here by way of your Amplitube/Linux videos. Thanks for putting those up. 8)
I feel like the thing Glenn misses is FEEL. He gets really close to it when he says stuff like "use a reamp box because different performances can sound different." But he's missing that sometimes those little imperceptible (to anyone besides the person actually playing) differences make a HUGE difference in how we play guitar. I have guitars that I "KNOW" sound different, but if I record them you can't hear any difference hardly at all. If the amp's response is loose or tight, the guitar feels dull or bright or whatever makes us play differently and ya know...."tone is in the hands." This is kinda ramble-y but if you play guitar you know what I mean. Bottom line: If you think you sound like shit you are more likely to play like shit.
Hey Kaddy, take the eyes out of the equation. When people see with their eyes, they can hear the difference. A Blind test will always expose the truth. By the way, use the same cab for both amps.
C'mon man... The easiest thing in the world would be to pick out a rectifier from a 5150 no problems. They are completely different and no other amp has the characteristics of a dual rec. That wouldn't be a problem at all.
@@KaddysJamKave Then prove it with a blind test. Use the same cab and keep the amps at 12 o'clock. If it's the easiest thing in the world, a blind test will prove your point. #ProveUsWrong
@@joerojas5448 You're a funny guy...
@KaddysJamKave at least I can taste the difference between a Coke and Pepsi without looking at the cans. So put your money where your mouth is and do a Blind Test. Same speaker cab, same mic position, but different amps with eqs set at 12 o'clock, gain and master set the same with each other. If you're right based on the criteria I laid down, I personally will concede to your point of view. I dare you.
@@joerojas5448 What are you, a parrot? Oh yeah I'll do a blind test with my own gear in my jam room where I can easily cheat and skew the results if I felt like it just to make a pointless video where I would get accused of cheating just to satisfy some brown hatter that's hassling me. Good one. I'll pass.
I have no dog in this debate at all. Absolutely the 5150/6505 amps sound very different from a Mesa Dual Rectifier. The point Glen was making was that if you have a modern high gain amp, you don’t need to go spend another several grand to achieve a different sound when you can simply put in an EQ and make this amp sound just like that amp, and that amp sound like this one, and on down the line. Glen just has a very confrontational approach to this stuff that I really don’t care for.
But for sure, side by side those amps have very unique sounds.
That's not what he's saying... He's saying that there's no significant shift in tone when changing amps compared to swapping out speakers and called me out for even suggesting that there was.
Not all gain sounds the same. And there are some amps that have a loose gain and some have tight. Also some have rich harmonic frequencies that are quite different.
Recto do not sound good , I really don’t understand the hype
I notice the cabs are different so therefore the sound is different.
I think you guys drummed up this fake debate for clicks.
Honestly the mix example in your video is not that great. Glenn's channel is about studio sound not real life stage, in the room sound. He was speaking only from a in the mix setting. Of course the amps sound different if at the same settings. But Glenn's point was that they could be dialed in to sound very similar, especially in a full mix context. You're both right because you're not exactly talking about the same thing.
What you on about? Our examples are polar opposites despite the claim he made and example he gave. My example WAS an "in the mix" studio example despite other comments I made. I don't think he made any points about being able to make amps sound the same to negate the point of having different amps... His point was that different amps don't provide a significant change in your sound and that speakers provide a much bigger difference which is a half truth. He denied manipulating them to sound the same but then asked the question that if it's that simple then why buy different amps.
12:06 in Glenn's video he makes the exact point.@@KaddysJamKave
@@nicholasmullins3693 Dude... in context he's giving a sarcastic hypothetical because I accused him of deliberately manipulating the 2 amps to sound very similar on his track.
You are speaking from different prespectives Glen is speaking from a production prespective and you more as an instrument player
No, I'm speaking from both points of view and showed that they sound different even when recorded without manipulation.
@@KaddysJamKaveOf course they are different I am an instrument player an I use both of theese amps for different purpose< I get what you say. I had the same arguement with my sound engineer and the difference was that on a sound engineer prespective was his caption capabilities and on mine the response.
Do people still listen to Glenn? That guy has been debunked several times through the years.
The stupid people with low IQ still do. I stopped watching his content years ago and got a better sound without his advice.
You can compare sound using those presonus speakers!! They aren't good monitors at all. And just using my DT-770 I could tell a lot of differences between the speakers in your testing.
Still, you didn't do your comparisons on how allegedly different amplifiers sound different. Spectre Sound and Jim Lill made comparisons and measurements with RTAs... so the evidence is not on your favour.
I'm not arguing that different speakers don't sound different, that's not even the main point of this video and much of it was sarcasm. I notice you didn't even address my main point about a dual rec sounding very different to a 5150... Left that out did we? And check out Jon's amp comparisons in the description which is a much more well done video than mine. I'm expecting loyal spectre sound brown hatters that don't own any of these amps are gonna come in here and troll me but that's ok.
@@KaddysJamKave It may be good to just tone it down a notch, you're coming across closed minded and angry. Personally I'm fairly neutral in this argument, but I don't think alienating a section of your viewers is the brightest of moves. The amps can be dialed in to sound pretty much the same, but are the amps characters the same? No. My Mark IV in Ch 2 can be made to sound a lot like my JCM800, but its not one, and does a lot more tones that the 800 cannot, so I agree with both you & Frikker on that. One thing though, that 'amp in the room' thing is where we disagree. When you play live, you mic or run into a load box then to a PA; if you record, its the same - no one hears this 'amp in the room'... and its just a BS argument. It doesnt really support what you're saying... and just sounds a bit daft.
@@GuvnaOnSpotifyOn the amp in the room thing: It is also worth pointing out, that this is completely out of the context for what Glenn is doing.
His focus is EXCLUSIVELY on recording and music production. Noone makes an argument for how it sounds in the room.
@@KaddysJamKave As we (the viewers) are merely watching and reacting to videos on youtube, we are free to comment on individual aspects from those videos.
We're not part of the debate, so we're not required to address every single one of your arguments. So there's no need to point out, that someone who is not part of the debate, "left out" a particular point
@@GuvnaOnSpotify I need to "tone it down"? Haha are you for real? I'm not angry and closed minded... what, because I have a different opinion that I proved with my own testing? Glenn routinely shouts and screams and insults everybody's intelligence and calls me out by name calling me dumb etc for having an opinion and I'm the one that needs to get a grip and calm down? Alienating my viewers? Oh you think I care about my channel? This is not a job for me man, it's a hobby that I don't put that much effort into so I don't really care how many views / subscribers I get or lose. As to your closing comment... yes, "Amp in the room"... I have a large jam room... I crank my amps in here whether it's by myself or getting other musicians to come along and jam some covers. I don't "need" to mic up anything... just 3 half stacks and drums. If it's a gig there's still going to be a half stack behind me pushing air even if it's mic'd or plugged into the PA system directly. I wouldn't have it any other way. As long as I get to enjoy the sound I get out of the beast pushing air behind me and it inspires me depending on the mood I'm feeling in and which amp I feel like playing on the day then it's not daft at all. I don't care what others hear, they aren't the one's paying that much attention and interacting with the amp... I'm the one getting off on it. Kinda the same thing with super car owners if I had to think of an analogy... you get off ripping that beast on the drag strip because it's fun. Same thing.
The dude's literally just trying to save people money, and show how to get better recordings done in a studio context.
That dude LITERALLY publically insulted another person accusing him of pulling false statements out of his ass.
Bullshit. He isn't trying to save you money. He's just making sure you spend that money either on his IRs or over at his buddies at Thomann. Let me be the bearer of bad news. Glenn doesn't give a fuck about your money, aside from getting a piece of it.
Fricker wants clicks. It is ALL about clicks. He's ok but not genuine, as most youtubers. Keeps that in mind.
How dumb can one be? You can make them sound similar. You can make two 5150 sound different. Both amps are 100w and driven by 6L6 tubes. Of course you can make them sound similar. You can easily take out mids from a 5150 and add them to a dual rectifier.
I can hear difference in the mix more than difference in the amps.In your mix there is zero other sounds.Guitars are not covered by other instruments.In your mix there is no bass.Your mix is almost only guitars.And I agree that in proper mix difference is small.Your mix is not a mix.You could as well play only amps.In that case every amp will be different.In the mix and high gain difference doesn't matter.You may feel a difference in picking hand.That is all.
Nice one mate - you proved your point and weren't a dick about it. On a separate point, I also agree with you about the Orange Super Crush 100, so I think you have similar tone taste to me.
Thank you for making this video. Glen is full of shit, and it's fantastic to see people prove it.