Oh, I know! People are talking about undervolting and PBO - but it's an ITX build with low air flow AND the CPU survived torture. Just running it normal is a gift! Aaaand... way more risk of undervolting and/or overclocking causing stability issues after all that.
@@Stratos1988 yep, can confirn from my own experience. Have run into plenty of Ryzen 5 3600s that are just dead. Don't think I've run into a 2000 series chip dying yet though, pretty resiliant if anything.
actually to be fair you can cool a pc using Oil, but thats an Extreme Overclocking thing using Mineral Oil th-cam.com/video/YT_fvSQsJ1Q/w-d-xo.html and its not in a loop, the entire PC is dipped in it, with insulation on certain more sensitive parts.
Mineral has about half (I don't want to find my CRC Handbook so I'm assuming from my olden days in school) but part of the whole calculation is also volume so in the case of embedding a whole system you get an order of magnitude more cooling volume. It would still be half as effective at best in the same volume loop.
Yeah, that and the fact that he kept trying after the second breaker trip. Not an electrician/electrical engineer. If a breaker goes twice, find and fix the fault.
Hearing the brother describe electrical concepts like "static" and "grounded" gave me so much PTSD from my helpdesk days that I need to order Panda Express for old times sake.
I had a similar issue where my breaker was being tripped randomly, and it was only when my pc was on, and it never did it before, after checking my pc, I was able to track the issue to the wiring of my house. Each room has its own circuit, but when they did my computer room, the circuit was also split to the basement to a single outlet for a freezer, and also to the bathroom for 1 light and the fan. I found if the light and fan were on, my pc and the ac, everything was good until the compressor kicks on from the freezer. That was enough to trip the breaker. Your brother can just have an overloaded circuit and that little extra was enough to trip it.
Damn, your bro is cool. It's cool that he's willing to listen and learn about what's going on, the reasoning behind it, and to be educated. When something breaks in my family, they don't listen because they don't care. As long as it's fixed, they're not interested
He should check to see what else is on the same circuit as the PC. I imagine that the circuit could already be overloaded since the breaker is a dumb device and should only trip if the rated current is exceeded. If a small spike from the PC were enough to trip it, it's already overloaded, unless the breaker is defective. Since it's not tripping a breaker at your house, it's clear that there's no electrical fault with the system causing the breaker to trip.
also could check that its breaker that tripped and not ground protection, also some extension cords have over voltage protection and the vacuum can make pretty good voltage at the plastic pipe when vacuuming
@@Caderynwolf Of course there is a limit. Breakers have limits, wiring have limits. No matter if you are in US (110V) or Europe (220-230V), if you go over the rated amperage breaker will trip. It is designed for that purpose, so your wiring won't catch on fire when there is a short and amperage skyrockets. Or if you simply put too much devices on a single circuit and run them at the same time, it may also trip the breaker.
If that is one of the original NZXT H1's, you may want to make sure he got the revised PCI-E riser cables, they were prone to shorting out and even CATCHING FIRE 🔥!
That was my first thought. Take everything out and see if it still causes the problem, because a short to ground is not only plausible, but likely in that case.
If his house was built in 1999 or later and the PC is in a bedroom, he has a weak AFCI breaker (arc fault circuit interrupter). The National Electrical Code was updated in 1999 and requires all bedrooms to have these installed. The breakers get weak over time and trip. I've seen this before and replaced several when someone simply tured a lamp on. They are designed to trip when an arc is detected. Not to be confused with a GFCI (ground fault circuit interpreter) which detects a ground fault in wet areas.
Wow! Great comment! I have a computer on a circuit that occasionally trips the breaker. I have kids. Anything could happen on the shared circuit, so I didn't think a ton of it, but knowing older breakers can be an issue? Clutch! I already have a replacement ready! Thanks!
His gamertag though, hilarious. Gave me a good laugh 🤣🤣 17:51 - If you have a 3D Printer, print an adapter from the NZXT fan to the Heatsink of the be quiet cooler
@@GregSalazarGreg, check if your bro's H1 doesn't need a recall. The early ones were shorting on the pcie riser and catching fire. Gamer's nexus had a few episodes about it. It could explain the breaker tripping too. ✌️
kind of a wholesome episode, i enjoyed the sibling dynamic. also, interesting choice of words when you said that the CPU was just chilling in the BIOS while it was physically overheating
Kyle needs to upgrade that platform with a 5700x3d/5800x3d. Warzone is pretty CPU intensive and he'd see a huge 1% low increase especially with the vcache, as well as an overall performance increase paired with that 6800.
Oil also suffers from boundary flow issues, when it goes through the cooler, the cooled oil becomes more viscous and 'sticks' to the cooling surfaces, forming an insulating layer. The hot oil continues to flow, but can't get rid of its heat due to the insulating layer of oil on the cooling surfaces.
My MSI 240 AIO did this after 3 months! MSI then refused to repair or replace my AIO! I no longer use any MSI products because of this. Glad to see you are helping your brother out!
And this folks is why I'll avoid using AIO's as long as possible. I just don't want to deal with anything water related in my PC. Air coolers don't have this problem. Thanks for sharing :)
My theory is that AIOs were made with planned obsolescence...because even my Chinese custom loop (with a waterblock that costs $20) has not had any problem like this for 7 years
Just made my Wife and myself some lunch, sit down to eat it and first episode of Fix or Flop drops. Nice engaging content with a perfect run length, thanks Greg. Me personally I would have re-purposed the AIO fan as the case fan, but that's because I'm cheap.
IDK Greg? I see these problems over and over with liquid coolers. Every PC I have ever built with liquid coolers. I always recommend air coolers from now on. The air coolers have improved a ton so that is how I go now! Great video!! Thank you for posting! P.S. Your bro looks exactly like your son!! The beat goes on!
LTT has gotten so stale over the last few years. It just feels so corporate and overproduced. Linus just shows up, clearly reads a script written by someone else, and just doesn't seem like any of himself is actually put into any of the videos, which is why most people started watching 10+ years ago.
One time a co-worker and I were cutting out grout to replace a tile. I was using a shopvac to catch the grout as he was grinding it out. I was building so much static sucking up that grout that I was getting shocked THROUGH MY SHOES. We were both dying laughing as I jumped every 5 seconds. I never used a vacuum to clean electronics after that.
580 watts. Thats what my brand new 7900xtx pulled before my cables melted and the psu shut down without tripping my breaker. It pulled that for a month before crashing. I had done all the proper ddu and driver installs, but something must have gone amiss. After a new ddu and driver install it ran normally. I am so glad that my psu did it because i could have very easily had a fire while playing vr or if i left it running while not home.
I could also see a GFCI/AFCI triggering a bit eargerly when the PSU suddently cuts the power from the PC at high load because of the chonky inductors and back EMF when abruptly stopped
In the UK, we have switched outlets, so when I vacuum my PC, I plug the power-cord in, keep the PSU & the outlet switched off & use the ground of the power cable to dissipate any static.
i actually just had to replace my coolermaster aio because it was preventing my PC from posting unless I pinched 1 of the tubes near the radiator, was the weirdest thing i've ever come across in a PC.. i am just glad for 3 things, 1. that it didn't leak anywhere in my system, 2 that it was repeatable and wouldn't let the PC boot, and 3 that it was my system and not someone elses.
Maybe arc-fault circuit (AFCI) probably tripping when the pump did a large current pull trying to push water but suffering way too much resistance. Arc-fault are way more sensitive than a standard older style breaker and only found in newer home constructions. High current spikes will trip them easily.
12:04 It looks like WHAT dude Also I appreciate you taking the time to explain why these use water, Greg. I come here for the hardware or build fuckups, and leave with a bit of extra knowledge about how these things work.
I'm glad you have a new season for this series.. I enjoy watching you troubleshoot these systems and the fact that you do it with no charge to the owner is awesome. (of course I wouldn't charge too if it were my sibling). I also enjoy trying to figure out what watch you are wearing. (Omega Speedmaster Racing)
Yo Greg! As mentioned on one of the previous video... Just holding down the button to enter the bios is enough and less of a hassle compared to spamming it.
@@dexmat3964 Holding it down is a solution? As someone who is a IT field technician reflashing computers more times than I care to count in a week... HOLDING it down instead AND it working would be a GIFT! :D 😂😂😊😊
Re:Breaker...check what else is on that circuit...when temperatures drop at this time of year someone may have plugged in a heater (which by the way should never be plugged into an extension cord or power bar).
AN AFCI (Arc Fault Circuit Interruptor) circuit breaker can be very sensitive. It will blow when it discovers dangers long before they do damage. It's why they are found in modern bedroom/living quarters. I've seen them trip when a person got a static shock on something on the circuit....
Hahah yeah it spun later on while remaining powered - and admittedly when I wasn't looking for it - but the fact that it never spun upon initial boot was weird. Almost every unit I've worked with spins upon initial boot.
Plus you don't have too worry about the pump dying. If the fan dies. You can still use the heatsink. The case fans will help the heatsink mostly. Should have a replacement on hand. Or take another case fan from somewhere inside the case and use that. If they are the same size. If not just use it as a temp with zip ties.
I believe his system would GREATLY benefit from a cpu upgrade in AM4 so he can utilize PBO with a -20 to -30 so he can have lower temps and have an overclock
@@Mrwouter1231And that is exactly what happens with undervolts. As soon as local environmental conditions change and with the under-volt is too aggressive………the system crashes.
@@techluvin7691 I have some GPU's and just moving them to another system means they now need a different undervolt/overclock. Getting more for less means adding challenges.
I'm glad to see someone else using that pure rock lp. I will say though I was slightly disappointed with the cooling performance of that cooler. I had it on my ITX 7800x3d build, and it did do the job of almost keeping it cool, however the thermalright axp90 x47 full copper cooler beat it out by 3-5 degrees. Ran both with stock fans on both coolers and with a noctua fan!
Hi Greg. Since Kyle is in your repair shop, you might have him do all the physical work under your supervision. Removing security screws is no big problem. I bought a box of security screw removal bits with a screwdriver from Harbor Freight. They work great for removal of battery pack security screws.
Well i use an H50 since 2013.FX 8350 to R5 2600 then R5 3600 and now i use it to cool an undervolted R7 5700X3D.Put a second fan on it in a push-pull configuration,works like a charm
I used a 120 Corsair AIO way back on my 3570k, that was a bad decision. Unsure how good low profile aircoolers have become in recent years, but I would assume that they are better than a 120 AIO even in such a case.
Agreed. Unless it's going to be in ECO mode or undervolted just put a damn air cooler on it. Even in a SFF Noctua Coolers can do some serious heat dissipation. 😂 90s in the BIOS I knew it was fucked
Greg the fan did spin as you were taking to us. See time code 6:39 As far as the electrical breaker is concerned the breaker itself could have a GFI built into the breaker. If you see on the breaker a square you push to reset or test, that is it. My old house had one of these and it kept tripping every time I used outdoor equipment. (that was the breaker for outside outlet.) I ended up putting in a standard breaker and placed a GFI breaker outside in the electrical receptacle. Some GFI breaker trip if you look at them wrong. 🙂
I am gonna make one more note, what you SHOULD HAVE done was, take the PC BACK to his house and confirm your findings before ruling out what you think the issue was. You have be a scientist with this kind of stuff and just taking a punch in the dark without start to finish, returning to the scene of the crime, you can't be sure that the CPU temps, or whatever, was the culprit. I'd personally like to see a follow up video showing the results of the PC working at his house back where it all started.
When I work on these systems for any other random viewer, that does NOT happen for obvious reasons. No special exceptions here. I can only test what I can see and we obviously never saw a breaker trip in my office. Implying we aren't being "scientific" because we didn't travel all the way back to his house, plug it in, and wait for however many hours until (or if) the system crashed is a bit outlandish. I fix PC issues. I don't fix house electrical wiring issues.
What else was running on the same circuit? 15A or 20A? Coffee machine or microwave maybe on the same circuit. Hairdryers are notorious for pulling a lot of current.
Makes me feel happy I went with air instead of liquid/aio cooling. Nothing against it, but not worrying about this happening ever is just great for people like me that don't have the best of knowledge with computers
That vacuum static is no joke. Just today I was making dust while drilling into concrete. I used a vacuum to suck up the mess as I ran the drill. All the while my ear would get zapped if I moved too close to the metal post I was bolting to the floor. 👂⚡
I can definitely relate to Greg in this video, being the brother that has to repair the pc at the same time explain what is important to your own brother or family hoping that they listen to every single bit of your knowledge... but in reality they just want you to quickly fix it for them lol. free repairs and troubleshooting services 😂lol I feels your pain Greg, you my friend are not alone😊
So this is why I just don't use AIOs at all. It just seems to be too much of a risk and hassle to remedy it. Air cooling is fine, if you think about air flow and don't use overclocking or crazy power hungry cpus
The accident in Chernobyl... water could have never prevented that accident from happening. The graphite moderators got stuck, and the fission reactions climbed exponentially. The water was flash-vaporized and the whole thing just exploded.
@@imglidinhereChernobyl exploded but not a nuclear explosion! Extremely high pressure steam, ejecting radioactively contaminated water / steam into the atmosphere that spread for 1000km
Yep, but they _did_ reduce the flow of coolant to the reactor core, no? And boiling water certainly doesn't help anything. This is all a bit beside the point, anyway. We use water in reactors for its abundance, heat capacity, etc.
@@GregSalazar I do recall hearing and reading about that, yes. Very poor decision-making on their part. I just hope incidents like that never happen again, because nuclear power generation is extremely useful.
@@57dent yea the test they were doing created very rare circumstances and when the graphite tipped rods were inserted to stop the reaction it did the opposite and created and endless reaction that instantly vaporised the water which created a stupid amount of pressure which exploded.
@@jamb312. Yep absolutely that is too much gpu unless running at 4K. Good news is when he finally gets around to it its pretty cheap to upgrade. Even a $65 ryzen 5500 would be very noticeable
@@astanisystems I know some may be joking, but folks out there are seriously whining about the SSD upgrade and lack of a CPU upgrade... This isn't Upgrade or Flop. We fixed his system, gave him extra storage, and sent him on his way. Why are so many expecting handouts wherever they can justify them? Ruins the playlist.
Whether or not Greg pays for such upgrades for his family members is not something we can verify or need to know - he may well also do it, but regardless, at the very least by not making it a part of the video I think Greg is showing admirable restraint here by not succumbing to nepotism.
Tell this man to get a battery backup, immediately. My PC was flipping my breaker. I had to have an electrician come up, & add 2 extra spots on my box. Ended up having an ac, & my PC on the same breaker, & it was overloading it. Still, get a battery backup, so your computer never just immediately shuts down, & you can always do a control power off. Much healthier for your system.
Connecting the vacuum to earth does not prevent static discharge, but connecting the metal pipe does. But that only works for the pipe. The plastic attachment will still collects charges. Dehumidified compressed air is just way safer.
Yeah, he was just trying to be funny in that moment hahah. I should have kept it in, but right after we cut away from that scene, we both started cracking up hysterically 😂
8:20 You don't have to lose much or any fluid. Just mount the block upside down on a stand with the plate facing up and the rest of the loop lower. Gravity will keep the fluid in. Clean the fins and re-assemble.
I'm so thankful that this is a easy fix on aio, I had this issue last year (not shorting though) cleaned block and replaced fluid down to icy temperature
2000 WAT is the limit on a domestic wall socket in Britain. The kitchen circuit is rated for a higher amp draw for things like cooker hobs, ovens, etc., running at the same time. There is a possible solution with the help of an electrician to have the wall socket next to the computer at the high amp capacity. Great fix video. Thanks.
Yep, that's about right for the first gen H1... had the exact same issue, the pump died on the AIO in less than a year, and it was only cooling a 5600 non X. Well documented issue with his AIO, unfortunately every single one keeps failing. When I got my replacement (btw the NZXT customer service was excellent) I sold the case as I knew it would fail again within a year, and by that time it would be out of warranty.
There are many things to check, to confirm a power issue. Bad power bar, number of circuits on the breaker, voltage. It could be that one circuit is powering a few outlets and the extra power draw was enough to take it past max Watts. 15Amp circuit is good for aprox 1200 Watts.
Glad to see the series back and it was an excellent episode, crazy we are still seeing AIO's have these issues, especially ones still relatively new. Now just for clarification, when you showed the gunk build up to your brother he did say it looked like "salmon" didn't he and not a bodily fluid?.... 🤣
Great video. Thermal throttling wouldn't trip the circuit breaker. The circuit breaker tripping could be many things. I would advise your brother to get an electrician to inspect the house wiring and the switchboard(s).
This is why I just stick to custom loops, I cant deny the convenience of AIO's and custom loops aren't for everybody but you have so much more control, and if you do have a problem in a custom loop most of the time its actually repairable. Not for everybody though
I've always vacuumed my PCs and have been doing so for the last 28 years of making my own and never had a problem. Wasn't expecting a Big Bang Theory episode though. Nice one.
I love these videos. Been watching since the first episode. Has given me so many tips and tricks that I didn't know in my many years of building and troubleshooting. So when I build my next pc I can implement alot of this stuff I learned.
I just repasted my ryzen 5600x with kingpin thermal interface material. Omg, the difference in temps of b4 and after are insane. I built my pc in sep 22. So it was definitely time. Added 3 more BeQuiet fans to front of the case. My sons pc is next. Both air cooled with BeQuiet tower coolers.
I had a similar overheating issue on my Ryzen 5700x. One day, I noticed that my server had shut off. Thinking maybe a power glitch happened, I turned it back on. It booted up, but it was a bit slower than usual. Didn't really have time to mess with it at the time, so I just reopened the server software and left. Came back and it was off again. This time I investigated the UPS, which didn't indicate that it had a bad battery or a power event had happened, so I tore the server apart and found bits of black plastic in the bottom of the case. Those definitely weren't there last time, and a bit of investigation quickly found where they had come from - the Wraith Prism CPU cooler lever. The lever had quite literally exploded all on its own and sent bits of plastic everywhere. Since it no longer had the tension, the heatsink was just flopping about. The reason for the shutdown was the poor 5700X was being baked to death and hitting tjmax. I had it set in the BIOS to shut the system off when it overheated.
I actually have a similar situation happen before and it took me a week to figure it out what happen. Every time I load something pretty heavy on my PC, the breaker just died and kill the entire house. What I found is that the guy who installed my new air conditioner accidentally drill a hole in an electric wire. It's still connected, but it is no longer stable. I suggest that Kyle check the electrical wiring in his house to ensure everything is functioning properly. He should also examine the breaker itself, as it may need to be replaced entirely if it is overheating. When I discovered that my breaker was overheating, it was actually melting, which is crazy that it still manage to hold that much weight. As soon as I replace the electric cable and everything, I haven't have this problem again.
Users reported incidents where the case's PCIe riser assembly could cause electrical short circuits, leading to overheating and potential fire hazards. This issue was primarily due to two screws that, when improperly installed, could contact the 12V power plane on the riser PCB, creating a dangerous short circuit.
Also had this problem with my NZXT H1 AIO. Had mine replaced via warranty because my CPU started throttling less than a year after it was built. The replacement wasn't any better, it only lasted a few months, which forced me to switch to a Noctua NH L12S.
I have rinsed and refilled my MSi AIO twice to pretty good success. I'm averaging doing it about once every two years so far. I even bought a used clogged one on ebay for 10 bucks and cleaned it to use for parts as the aio deteriorates.
If you use a cheaper surge protector bar it can do this. Didn’t trip my breaker, but computer would shut off once it hit 150-200 watts from the wall. I used low settings to combat it until I realized it was the surge protector and was amazed that was it. Back when I had an old rx 580.
shoutout to that poor CPU for surviving 6 months of torture lol
Oh, I know! People are talking about undervolting and PBO - but it's an ITX build with low air flow AND the CPU survived torture. Just running it normal is a gift!
Aaaand... way more risk of undervolting and/or overclocking causing stability issues after all that.
Watching these series from ep1 were 3000 series ryzen died most often I can say this one was an absolute trooper.
@@Stratos1988 yep, can confirn from my own experience. Have run into plenty of Ryzen 5 3600s that are just dead. Don't think I've run into a 2000 series chip dying yet though, pretty resiliant if anything.
I was truly surprised that he did not swap out that CPU.
I want a video series where Kyle talks about whatever pops into his head while Greg tries to work. 😁
I'd be down to watch that, too. lol.
After the oil comment, Greg showed great restraint by not revealing that his brother is adopted.
actually to be fair you can cool a pc using Oil, but thats an Extreme Overclocking thing using Mineral Oil th-cam.com/video/YT_fvSQsJ1Q/w-d-xo.html and its not in a loop, the entire PC is dipped in it, with insulation on certain more sensitive parts.
Mineral has about half (I don't want to find my CRC Handbook so I'm assuming from my olden days in school) but part of the whole calculation is also volume so in the case of embedding a whole system you get an order of magnitude more cooling volume. It would still be half as effective at best in the same volume loop.
Before and after
Cmon he doesnt have to be a genius - hes the good looking brother. PS some oils are used in data centers, it has a high themal conducivity
Put some motor oil in get some zero weight it will work. Mix oil and water you get milk.
"Mine plugs in. Doesn't run on batteries."
Greg:
Yeah, that and the fact that he kept trying after the second breaker trip. Not an electrician/electrical engineer. If a breaker goes twice, find and fix the fault.
@@kaseyboles30 could always set it up to Fail to Safe so when a fault is had you cant reset it till the fault is cleared......
@@drakeb6168 That's probably what should happen. Though if not required it'd be a cost they'd need a good fiscal reason to expend.
If he would've said "Doesn't run on Energizer batteries" you all may have lost it. 😂
i started to panic when he said that, was like: oh no
Hearing the brother describe electrical concepts like "static" and "grounded" gave me so much PTSD from my helpdesk days that I need to order Panda Express for old times sake.
Cmon he doesnt have to be a genius - hes the good looking brother.
Here Here. Suppose ill do the same. 8 years at the UPS help desk e.o
what's wrong with Static , maybe he meant static IP address and Grounded is when your parents prevent you from leaving the house.
What are you talking about!? Vacuums are great at producing high quantities of static pressure! Sheesh!
haha, reminds me of "the chronicles of george", at least he didn't use the word "havening"
9:25 Greg's brother jumps from AIO to NUCLEAR reactor . What a radical jump in analogy!! His brother is truly in COD Black ops mode . 😅
But he was wrong about the reasons. Water is a great neutron moderator.
@AthosRac ...aaaand water is a great coolant with its relatively high heat capacity + affordability/abundance 😂
Was a decent analogy tbh!
@@LastWizardKing needs fresh water not salt water
@Celician83 thank you. Nice to see someone jump it before me.
I enjoy your brother being live commentary on this too! Congrats on getting this season 6, Greg!
Liquid cooling replaced air cooling only to be replaced back to air cooling I love the symmetry of it all🤣🤣
I had a similar issue where my breaker was being tripped randomly, and it was only when my pc was on, and it never did it before, after checking my pc, I was able to track the issue to the wiring of my house. Each room has its own circuit, but when they did my computer room, the circuit was also split to the basement to a single outlet for a freezer, and also to the bathroom for 1 light and the fan. I found if the light and fan were on, my pc and the ac, everything was good until the compressor kicks on from the freezer. That was enough to trip the breaker.
Your brother can just have an overloaded circuit and that little extra was enough to trip it.
His PC knew what it was about to get into with BO6 the next day and said "Nah your fixing me before I go running that" 🤣
yeah it was fed up with running hot and was like enough is enough fix me before I will work for you anymore🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Damn, your bro is cool. It's cool that he's willing to listen and learn about what's going on, the reasoning behind it, and to be educated. When something breaks in my family, they don't listen because they don't care. As long as it's fixed, they're not interested
felt that
He should check to see what else is on the same circuit as the PC. I imagine that the circuit could already be overloaded since the breaker is a dumb device and should only trip if the rated current is exceeded. If a small spike from the PC were enough to trip it, it's already overloaded, unless the breaker is defective. Since it's not tripping a breaker at your house, it's clear that there's no electrical fault with the system causing the breaker to trip.
Right, which is exactly what we concluded at the end of this video. No tripping on my end, so the culprit is likely his breaker or wiring.
also could check that its breaker that tripped and not ground protection, also some extension cords have over voltage protection and the vacuum can make pretty good voltage at the plastic pipe when vacuuming
@@GregSalazar overloaded circuit. did he recently move? did he re-arrange his office/house? did a portable air conditioner/heater recently get used?
Confused in European... There's a limit?
@@Caderynwolf Of course there is a limit. Breakers have limits, wiring have limits. No matter if you are in US (110V) or Europe (220-230V), if you go over the rated amperage breaker will trip. It is designed for that purpose, so your wiring won't catch on fire when there is a short and amperage skyrockets. Or if you simply put too much devices on a single circuit and run them at the same time, it may also trip the breaker.
Behold everyone! Buff, long haired Greg! 1:26
If that is one of the original NZXT H1's, you may want to make sure he got the revised PCI-E riser cables, they were prone to shorting out and even CATCHING FIRE 🔥!
Oh yeah GN made one go up in flames. I think i would have changed the entire case just because of that.
Oh Yes that is also my first thought if it wasn't shorting out and causing the it to do all this.
That was my first thought. Take everything out and see if it still causes the problem, because a short to ground is not only plausible, but likely in that case.
ngl this should be higher
It's kinda crazy he doesn't know it/mention it.
If his house was built in 1999 or later and the PC is in a bedroom, he has a weak AFCI breaker (arc fault circuit interrupter). The National Electrical Code was updated in 1999 and requires all bedrooms to have these installed. The breakers get weak over time and trip.
I've seen this before and replaced several when someone simply tured a lamp on. They are designed to trip when an arc is detected.
Not to be confused with a GFCI (ground fault circuit interpreter) which detects a ground fault in wet areas.
Wow! Great comment! I have a computer on a circuit that occasionally trips the breaker. I have kids. Anything could happen on the shared circuit, so I didn't think a ton of it, but knowing older breakers can be an issue? Clutch! I already have a replacement ready! Thanks!
His gamertag though, hilarious. Gave me a good laugh 🤣🤣
17:51 - If you have a 3D Printer, print an adapter from the NZXT fan to the Heatsink of the be quiet cooler
Thanks for a new fix or flop video. Always a treat.
Thanks for watching!
@@GregSalazarGreg, check if your bro's H1 doesn't need a recall. The early ones were shorting on the pcie riser and catching fire. Gamer's nexus had a few episodes about it. It could explain the breaker tripping too. ✌️
I love the Fix or Flop series. I've learnt so much. Thank you.
kind of a wholesome episode, i enjoyed the sibling dynamic.
also, interesting choice of words when you said that the CPU was just chilling in the BIOS while it was physically overheating
Kyle needs to upgrade that platform with a 5700x3d/5800x3d. Warzone is pretty CPU intensive and he'd see a huge 1% low increase especially with the vcache, as well as an overall performance increase paired with that 6800.
Oil also suffers from boundary flow issues, when it goes through the cooler, the cooled oil becomes more viscous and 'sticks' to the cooling surfaces, forming an insulating layer. The hot oil continues to flow, but can't get rid of its heat due to the insulating layer of oil on the cooling surfaces.
Anyone spot the PSU Fan at 6:38
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yup
It's funny that a minute later he said the fan never kicked on
Yup
yup was just gonna say that it kicked on for but right back off
My MSI 240 AIO did this after 3 months! MSI then refused to repair or replace my AIO! I no longer use any MSI products because of this.
Glad to see you are helping your brother out!
Yeah, I had 2 msi aios do this to me. One that was replaced then another I just said f it and bought an air cooler.
2:00 who else is yelling “NO NO NO!!!” at your screen at this moment?
And this folks is why I'll avoid using AIO's as long as possible. I just don't want to deal with anything water related in my PC. Air coolers don't have this problem. Thanks for sharing :)
My theory is that AIOs were made with planned obsolescence...because even my Chinese custom loop (with a waterblock that costs $20) has not had any problem like this for 7 years
12:02
Option A: "It look like salmon"
Option B: "It looks like _____"
i think he said semen
Just made my Wife and myself some lunch, sit down to eat it and first episode of Fix or Flop drops. Nice engaging content with a perfect run length, thanks Greg. Me personally I would have re-purposed the AIO fan as the case fan, but that's because I'm cheap.
I was getting FoF withdrawals.
Thanks for a new episode.
IDK Greg? I see these problems over and over with liquid coolers. Every PC I have ever built with liquid coolers. I always recommend air coolers from now on. The air coolers have improved a ton so that is how I go now! Great video!! Thank you for posting! P.S. Your bro looks exactly like your son!! The beat goes on!
Ah, time to sit down, eat and watch the latest LTT Vide----FIX OR FLOP SEASON 6??? LETS GOOOO RIGHT ON TIME
LTT has gotten so stale over the last few years. It just feels so corporate and overproduced. Linus just shows up, clearly reads a script written by someone else, and just doesn't seem like any of himself is actually put into any of the videos, which is why most people started watching 10+ years ago.
LTT precision screwdriver made an appearance in this one
@@FlyinRyan2011 Such an overpriced screwdriver
@@spentcasing3990LTT sucks ass, but the screwdriver is well priced. It's been tested to death and compared to the competition. It's well priced
@@Ktmzqw It's $115 Cdn or $82.45 U.S. You can easily find a screwdriver or a whole set that's as good
IT support for family - the legacy of a YT-er tech. :) Awesome to have your brother there too. Great content. This was always an awesome series.
One time a co-worker and I were cutting out grout to replace a tile. I was using a shopvac to catch the grout as he was grinding it out. I was building so much static sucking up that grout that I was getting shocked THROUGH MY SHOES. We were both dying laughing as I jumped every 5 seconds. I never used a vacuum to clean electronics after that.
580 watts. Thats what my brand new 7900xtx pulled before my cables melted and the psu shut down without tripping my breaker. It pulled that for a month before crashing.
I had done all the proper ddu and driver installs, but something must have gone amiss. After a new ddu and driver install it ran normally.
I am so glad that my psu did it because i could have very easily had a fire while playing vr or if i left it running while not home.
22:38 Likely the breaker is weak from age. Hire an electrician to replace the breaker.
I could also see a GFCI/AFCI triggering a bit eargerly when the PSU suddently cuts the power from the PC at high load because of the chonky inductors and back EMF when abruptly stopped
In the UK, we have switched outlets, so when I vacuum my PC, I plug the power-cord in, keep the PSU & the outlet switched off & use the ground of the power cable to dissipate any static.
i actually just had to replace my coolermaster aio because it was preventing my PC from posting unless I pinched 1 of the tubes near the radiator, was the weirdest thing i've ever come across in a PC.. i am just glad for 3 things, 1. that it didn't leak anywhere in my system, 2 that it was repeatable and wouldn't let the PC boot, and 3 that it was my system and not someone elses.
Maybe arc-fault circuit (AFCI) probably tripping when the pump did a large current pull trying to push water but suffering way too much resistance. Arc-fault are way more sensitive than a standard older style breaker and only found in newer home constructions. High current spikes will trip them easily.
12:04 It looks like WHAT dude
Also I appreciate you taking the time to explain why these use water, Greg. I come here for the hardware or build fuckups, and leave with a bit of extra knowledge about how these things work.
I'm glad you have a new season for this series.. I enjoy watching you troubleshoot these systems and the fact that you do it with no charge to the owner is awesome. (of course I wouldn't charge too if it were my sibling). I also enjoy trying to figure out what watch you are wearing. (Omega Speedmaster Racing)
Yo Greg! As mentioned on one of the previous video... Just holding down the button to enter the bios is enough and less of a hassle compared to spamming it.
I can't help myself 😂
No you dont understand, we MUST mash the button repeatedly, MUST
@@dexmat3964 Holding it down is a solution? As someone who is a IT field technician reflashing computers more times than I care to count in a week... HOLDING it down instead AND it working would be a GIFT! :D 😂😂😊😊
Re:Breaker...check what else is on that circuit...when temperatures drop at this time of year someone may have plugged in a heater (which by the way should never be plugged into an extension cord or power bar).
I was yelling at my phone. Upgrade his cpu. Come on. Be a nice brother. Lol
Nah fr I when he said a 20.. that's all i needed to hear to think he needed an upgrade, even a 5600 would be a huge improvement
AN AFCI (Arc Fault Circuit Interruptor) circuit breaker can be very sensitive. It will blow when it discovers dangers long before they do damage. It's why they are found in modern bedroom/living quarters. I've seen them trip when a person got a static shock on something on the circuit....
This is most likely the problem.
Fan definitely spun briefly before you went into talking about the fan not spinning. 6:37
Hahah yeah it spun later on while remaining powered - and admittedly when I wasn't looking for it - but the fact that it never spun upon initial boot was weird. Almost every unit I've worked with spins upon initial boot.
great video greg, these are such interesting videos as someone who likes building computers, my favourite series lol
This is a good reason to use a good air cooler. No contaminated coolant.
Plus you don't have too worry about the pump dying. If the fan dies. You can still use the heatsink. The case fans will help the heatsink mostly. Should have a replacement on hand. Or take another case fan from somewhere inside the case and use that. If they are the same size. If not just use it as a temp with zip ties.
Almost done watching season 5 of fix or flop this couldn't have come at a better time. :)
I believe his system would GREATLY benefit from a cpu upgrade in AM4 so he can utilize PBO with a -20 to -30 so he can have lower temps and have an overclock
Yeah, like a 5700x3d
true but be ware my pbo i had to set from -20 to -15 because of stability issues
so start low a build up my got unstable after 6 months
@@Mrwouter1231And that is exactly what happens with undervolts. As soon as local environmental conditions change and with the under-volt is too aggressive………the system crashes.
Yes, but he didn't check for a bios update, which may be required in order for a CPU upgrade swap to work correctly.
@@techluvin7691 I have some GPU's and just moving them to another system means they now need a different undervolt/overclock. Getting more for less means adding challenges.
I'm glad to see someone else using that pure rock lp. I will say though I was slightly disappointed with the cooling performance of that cooler. I had it on my ITX 7800x3d build, and it did do the job of almost keeping it cool, however the thermalright axp90 x47 full copper cooler beat it out by 3-5 degrees.
Ran both with stock fans on both coolers and with a noctua fan!
19:04 Oh no, you're also getting the... unfortunate shapes on the fans as in the Bitwit video.
🎺 Auf der Heide blüht ein kleines Blümelein 🎺
Hi Greg. Since Kyle is in your repair shop, you might have him do all the physical work under your supervision. Removing security screws is no big problem. I bought a box of security screw removal bits with a screwdriver from Harbor Freight. They work great for removal of battery pack security screws.
120mm aio's should have never existed, imo. Great video, Greg and good to see 'normal' programming has resumed.
Well i use an H50 since 2013.FX 8350 to R5 2600 then R5 3600 and now i use it to cool an undervolted R7 5700X3D.Put a second fan on it in a push-pull configuration,works like a charm
@@Vagelisc1It's still not worth the money. A good air cooler will match or outperform it for less money and last longer.
Yes 120mm AIOs are just a gimmick imo
I used a 120 Corsair AIO way back on my 3570k, that was a bad decision.
Unsure how good low profile aircoolers have become in recent years, but I would assume that they are better than a 120 AIO even in such a case.
Agreed. Unless it's going to be in ECO mode or undervolted just put a damn air cooler on it. Even in a SFF Noctua Coolers can do some serious heat dissipation. 😂 90s in the BIOS I knew it was fucked
Greg the fan did spin as you were taking to us. See time code 6:39 As far as the electrical breaker is concerned the breaker itself could have a GFI built into the breaker. If you see on the breaker a square you push to reset or test, that is it. My old house had one of these and it kept tripping every time I used outdoor equipment. (that was the breaker for outside outlet.) I ended up putting in a standard breaker and placed a GFI breaker outside in the electrical receptacle. Some GFI breaker trip if you look at them wrong. 🙂
I am gonna make one more note, what you SHOULD HAVE done was, take the PC BACK to his house and confirm your findings before ruling out what you think the issue was. You have be a scientist with this kind of stuff and just taking a punch in the dark without start to finish, returning to the scene of the crime, you can't be sure that the CPU temps, or whatever, was the culprit. I'd personally like to see a follow up video showing the results of the PC working at his house back where it all started.
When I work on these systems for any other random viewer, that does NOT happen for obvious reasons. No special exceptions here. I can only test what I can see and we obviously never saw a breaker trip in my office. Implying we aren't being "scientific" because we didn't travel all the way back to his house, plug it in, and wait for however many hours until (or if) the system crashed is a bit outlandish. I fix PC issues. I don't fix house electrical wiring issues.
Greg has a studio to shoot videos in. His brother may not have a space that he's comfortable sharing.
You should check the PSU
@@GregSalazar exactly. Your viewer comment is unrealistic.
What else was running on the same circuit? 15A or 20A? Coffee machine or microwave maybe on the same circuit. Hairdryers are notorious for pulling a lot of current.
Makes me feel happy I went with air instead of liquid/aio cooling. Nothing against it, but not worrying about this happening ever is just great for people like me that don't have the best of knowledge with computers
These fix or flops are really invaluable for sharing troubleshooting experience.
That vacuum static is no joke.
Just today I was making dust while drilling into concrete. I used a vacuum to suck up the mess as I ran the drill. All the while my ear would get zapped if I moved too close to the metal post I was bolting to the floor.
👂⚡
dust is electrically conductive
@gerydblackmore5484 so is my poor little left ear.
I can definitely relate to Greg in this video, being the brother that has to repair the pc at the same time explain what is important to your own brother or family hoping that they listen to every single bit of your knowledge... but in reality they just want you to quickly fix it for them lol. free repairs and troubleshooting services 😂lol I feels your pain Greg, you my friend are not alone😊
Air Cooling saves the day yet again
till a new AIO upgrade.. lol
Good lookin' out for a bro! And great way to kick off season 6. 👊😎
So this is why I just don't use AIOs at all. It just seems to be too much of a risk and hassle to remedy it.
Air cooling is fine, if you think about air flow and don't use overclocking or crazy power hungry cpus
S6 of FoF already? Wohooo, i am looking forward to all of the videos that are comming :D
The accident in Chernobyl... water could have never prevented that accident from happening. The graphite moderators got stuck, and the fission reactions climbed exponentially. The water was flash-vaporized and the whole thing just exploded.
You're mistaken, RBMK reactors don't explode.
@@imglidinhereChernobyl exploded but not a nuclear explosion! Extremely high pressure steam, ejecting radioactively contaminated water / steam into the atmosphere that spread for 1000km
Yep, but they _did_ reduce the flow of coolant to the reactor core, no? And boiling water certainly doesn't help anything. This is all a bit beside the point, anyway. We use water in reactors for its abundance, heat capacity, etc.
@@GregSalazar I do recall hearing and reading about that, yes. Very poor decision-making on their part. I just hope incidents like that never happen again, because nuclear power generation is extremely useful.
@@57dent yea the test they were doing created very rare circumstances and when the graphite tipped rods were inserted to stop the reaction it did the opposite and created and endless reaction that instantly vaporised the water which created a stupid amount of pressure which exploded.
*Great to see the series back!*
2700x? You don't love your brother enough to stick a 5600 x3d from microcenter in there lol
2700x seemed a low chip for RX6800
@@jamb312. Yep absolutely that is too much gpu unless running at 4K.
Good news is when he finally gets around to it its pretty cheap to upgrade. Even a $65 ryzen 5500 would be very noticeable
@@astanisystems I know some may be joking, but folks out there are seriously whining about the SSD upgrade and lack of a CPU upgrade... This isn't Upgrade or Flop. We fixed his system, gave him extra storage, and sent him on his way. Why are so many expecting handouts wherever they can justify them? Ruins the playlist.
Whether or not Greg pays for such upgrades for his family members is not something we can verify or need to know - he may well also do it, but regardless, at the very least by not making it a part of the video I think Greg is showing admirable restraint here by not succumbing to nepotism.
well, his brother looks like he can pay for his own stuff lol
Tell this man to get a battery backup, immediately. My PC was flipping my breaker. I had to have an electrician come up, & add 2 extra spots on my box. Ended up having an ac, & my PC on the same breaker, & it was overloading it. Still, get a battery backup, so your computer never just immediately shuts down, & you can always do a control power off. Much healthier for your system.
Everyone show some love and hit that subscribe button. We need to help Greg hit 1M subscribers and get that well deserved gold play button!
Much appreciated!
Connecting the vacuum to earth does not prevent static discharge, but connecting the metal pipe does. But that only works for the pipe. The plastic attachment will still collects charges. Dehumidified compressed air is just way safer.
Yeah, he was just trying to be funny in that moment hahah. I should have kept it in, but right after we cut away from that scene, we both started cracking up hysterically 😂
Looks like a perfect candidate for a Ryzen 5700X3D, new PSU and eventually a new GPU.
8:20 You don't have to lose much or any fluid. Just mount the block upside down on a stand with the plate facing up and the rest of the loop lower. Gravity will keep the fluid in. Clean the fins and re-assemble.
Great video. Having watched back issues of Flip or Flop there's no way I'd ever consider a liquid cooled CPU system.
Wooohooo, new season! I was just thinking yesterday that I missed FoF!
So moral of story - never buy an AIO?
120mm aios are a waste. An air cooler would be better.
I'm so thankful that this is a easy fix on aio, I had this issue last year (not shorting though) cleaned block and replaced fluid down to icy temperature
Love the series! Cheers Greg
2000 WAT is the limit on a domestic wall socket in Britain. The kitchen circuit is rated for a higher amp draw for things like cooker hobs, ovens, etc., running at the same time. There is a possible solution with the help of an electrician to have the wall socket next to the computer at the high amp capacity. Great fix video. Thanks.
6:00 it has not, in fact, been chillin
Finally another fix or flop keep up the great videos I allways learn from them and allways find them very interesting
Yep, that's about right for the first gen H1... had the exact same issue, the pump died on the AIO in less than a year, and it was only cooling a 5600 non X. Well documented issue with his AIO, unfortunately every single one keeps failing. When I got my replacement (btw the NZXT customer service was excellent) I sold the case as I knew it would fail again within a year, and by that time it would be out of warranty.
Yayyyy Fix or Flop is back!
There are many things to check, to confirm a power issue. Bad power bar, number of circuits on the breaker, voltage. It could be that one circuit is powering a few outlets and the extra power draw was enough to take it past max Watts. 15Amp circuit is good for aprox 1200 Watts.
Glad to see the series back and it was an excellent episode, crazy we are still seeing AIO's have these issues, especially ones still relatively new.
Now just for clarification, when you showed the gunk build up to your brother he did say it looked like "salmon" didn't he and not a bodily fluid?.... 🤣
Great video.
Thermal throttling wouldn't trip the circuit breaker.
The circuit breaker tripping could be many things.
I would advise your brother to get an electrician to inspect the house wiring and the switchboard(s).
This is why I just stick to custom loops, I cant deny the convenience of AIO's and custom loops aren't for everybody but you have so much more control, and if you do have a problem in a custom loop most of the time its actually repairable. Not for everybody though
I've always vacuumed my PCs and have been doing so for the last 28 years of making my own and never had a problem. Wasn't expecting a Big Bang Theory episode though. Nice one.
Yup I don't think I'll ever buy another AIO after seeing them fail so much in your vids. Thanks Greg!
I love these videos. Been watching since the first episode. Has given me so many tips and tricks that I didn't know in my many years of building and troubleshooting.
So when I build my next pc I can implement alot of this stuff I learned.
I really hope you reach the 1 million sub mark!
Time to update the Gear Up playlist with one more person from in the fam and do a new-gen build? 💀
I just repasted my ryzen 5600x with kingpin thermal interface material. Omg, the difference in temps of b4 and after are insane. I built my pc in sep 22. So it was definitely time. Added 3 more BeQuiet fans to front of the case. My sons pc is next. Both air cooled with BeQuiet tower coolers.
9:40 Cars coolant will go much higher than sea level boiling (100°C/212°F) because it is pressurized. Look at the radiator cap, it has a PSI rating.
for the first few mins, im like whoa, buff version of Greg!
My favourite sit-down show while having a good meal.
I had a similar overheating issue on my Ryzen 5700x. One day, I noticed that my server had shut off. Thinking maybe a power glitch happened, I turned it back on. It booted up, but it was a bit slower than usual. Didn't really have time to mess with it at the time, so I just reopened the server software and left. Came back and it was off again.
This time I investigated the UPS, which didn't indicate that it had a bad battery or a power event had happened, so I tore the server apart and found bits of black plastic in the bottom of the case. Those definitely weren't there last time, and a bit of investigation quickly found where they had come from - the Wraith Prism CPU cooler lever. The lever had quite literally exploded all on its own and sent bits of plastic everywhere. Since it no longer had the tension, the heatsink was just flopping about.
The reason for the shutdown was the poor 5700X was being baked to death and hitting tjmax. I had it set in the BIOS to shut the system off when it overheated.
I actually have a similar situation happen before and it took me a week to figure it out what happen.
Every time I load something pretty heavy on my PC, the breaker just died and kill the entire house.
What I found is that the guy who installed my new air conditioner accidentally drill a hole in an electric wire. It's still connected, but it is no longer stable.
I suggest that Kyle check the electrical wiring in his house to ensure everything is functioning properly.
He should also examine the breaker itself, as it may need to be replaced entirely if it is overheating.
When I discovered that my breaker was overheating, it was actually melting, which is crazy that it still manage to hold that much weight.
As soon as I replace the electric cable and everything, I haven't have this problem again.
Users reported incidents where the case's PCIe riser assembly could cause electrical short circuits, leading to overheating and potential fire hazards. This issue was primarily due to two screws that, when improperly installed, could contact the 12V power plane on the riser PCB, creating a dangerous short circuit.
Goodie, my favorite PC troubleshooting learning course is back.
Also had this problem with my NZXT H1 AIO. Had mine replaced via warranty because my CPU started throttling less than a year after it was built.
The replacement wasn't any better, it only lasted a few months, which forced me to switch to a Noctua NH L12S.
I have rinsed and refilled my MSi AIO twice to pretty good success. I'm averaging doing it about once every two years so far. I even bought a used clogged one on ebay for 10 bucks and cleaned it to use for parts as the aio deteriorates.
If you use a cheaper surge protector bar it can do this. Didn’t trip my breaker, but computer would shut off once it hit 150-200 watts from the wall. I used low settings to combat it until I realized it was the surge protector and was amazed that was it. Back when I had an old rx 580.