Winter Jeep Camping Going Wrong In -25C
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ย. 2024
- Extreme Cold -25c Solo Wilderness Jeep Camp.
Temperatures are extremely low at the moment and daylight hours are at there lowest. I venture out to one of my favourite spots to spend a couple of nights camping in my Jeep Cherokee XJ. Temperatures started at around -13c and dropped steadily to -25c in the early hours of the morning. These kind of temperatures are extreme for camping and my setup is obviously taken to its limits, including my camera gear.
Water freezes, gas bottles don't gasify well, batteries read 0 percent even though they are fully charged. My setup was never designed for such temperatures but for me personally I enjoy experiencing these difficult conditions to see where the cracks are.
Unfortunately one of the main areas I need to improve on is the insulation under my sleep mat which I underestimated due to my previous camping experiences with the 8.1 R value on the EXPED MegaMat Duo 10.
Despite trying to insulate under the mat with the what I had with me I couldn't fend of the cold for longer than a couple of hours. Insulation is needed under the mat and I have since solved this issue with a thick thermal layer which can be removed and stored in the summer.
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Jeep Spec:
1999 Jeep Cherokee XJ 2.5TD RHD.
Summer Tire - 35x12.50r15 BFG KM3's with 15x8 3.75" backspacing (-19 offset).
Winter Tire - Cooper Discoverer ST MAXX Por Studded 35x12.50r15 BFG KM3's with 15x8 3.75" backspacing (-19 offset).
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I think this video surpassed everything you've done so far - and i have watched your productions from the UK to Sweden. Soooo impressed with the atmosphere you created around the full moon, fire light, aurora borealis and music. To my mind that is something that is difficult to recreate anywhere else but in the high arctic, but you need the essential creative genius to make it happen. I have the same RTT and it is an excellent piece of kit. I think someone else has already said that you should have kept the original foam mat as an underlay for the air mat. Additionally, you could look at installing the inner quilt that is an option for the tent; strangely enough you did mention it in one of your earlier videos which made me investigate fitting it to my tent here inn the UK. Unfortunately, mine lacks the attachment hooks so that is not something I can use. However, why not take a lesson from our antipodean cousins in OZ who regularly use electric under blankets in their winters. But you would need a working battery to power it; it would work with your original one I suspect. Thanks again.
Thank you, I really appreciate the comment. I really enjoy filming and trying to give the viewer a feeling like they are there or feel some kind of emersion into the environment. The tent is fantastic and I have made it worse by stripping it of its original mat.... I have added that mat back in with the inflatable on top and a mylar blanket under the mattress. Hopefully this will help a great deal as its added about two inches. Its stupid really as I have so much camping ger at home. I should have at least taken out another mat with me as a backup.
Anyway thanks you again for watching!
One year watching Rally Sweden in February we were sleeping outside under the open sky down to -25°C even waking up one morning with a 5cm thin layer of fluffy snow on the sleeping bag. But one night it got down to -35°C, felt it was to cold so had to be "a coward" sleeping sitting in the car running at idle the whole night with the heater at max the whole night.
An old diesel doesn't heat up much at idle in -35°C conditions 😬
I absolutely understand why you go out camping during the winter, it is a magical time of the year that everyone should experience, especially on a full moon night.
In Norway there are many places where you can go from cabin to cabin, either in the low lands or up in the mountains and the cabins are open to everyone so pack your skies and set out on a full moon adventure in the mountains :D
Beautiful video mate, and you are def not talking crap :-) I have a campercar with good gear and I would like to do some more wild camping. However, the anxiety of being alone in the wilderness has until now prevented me from doing so. I shall though take up the challenge as you are indeed showing the way, thanks :-)
I don't see many talk about the fear of being alone in the wilderness on TH-cam but its a reality I try to be open about. Obviously sleeping in a city center as a homeless person is far scarier but I cant help but feel a gut instinct at times that steers me away from certain places. I try not to ignore it regardless of how my rational brain talks me out of it.
Thanks for watching and for the comment!
I completely understand your feeling of wanting to camp elsewhere, Mike. Who knows why we feel that way sometimes, but good for you anyway! Also- I would love to see a “Tales of the woods” series narrated by your kind self, turning innocent moments into sinister horrors.. I think it would be gold😆. Have a great new year Mike.
Just love your deadpan comedy, Jimmy Saville top trump, Razzle, Big Foot, etc. Just great little moments in your vids.
time lapse sequences and the Northern lights was amazing. thanksssss....
Hi Mike
I am watching this video for third time. it is great you trust your instinct I am sure you get the right massage in right time from the universe , nature or God whatever we call.
because you respect the nature and nature loves you.
when we can be in present we don't miss the massage.
all the best
Shafan
Always beware Gollum and his semi 😂 Great vid, that park looks awesome 👍
Still a legend my friend! Great watching you! :)
The next time you see Bigfoot give him a Fist Bump for me. Again, Great Cinematography. You're one of the best!✌✌
"Golem's watching me and he's got a semi, you know ...."
FFS LOL Mike :D ..... Awesome video and camp as ever, such a stunning part of the world!
Pretty sure he is you know. Probably not the ice making noises...
Thanks for watching.
Always trust your instincts. The worst that can happen is nothing happens. Great video as usual Mike, and I thought it was cold here at -6!
Very authentic! - Sometimes it is better to take a step back to survive and to fight another day 😏
Yeah that was a good lesson. More insulation sorter it but I won't forget how cold my ass cheeks were 😅
Thanks for watching
@@WorkshoptoWilderness Yep. Looks really good what you're doing and I do like you humor 😂! 2009/10 We lived for one year 200Km north of the arctic circle in Finnland, so I know how cold it can get up north. 🥶Now I'm retired on my own terms and think of upgrading a pickup to an overlander. Plenty people do overlanding in the US and Australia, not so many here in Germany (way to crowded). I guess I have to come to Scandinavia to really test its usefulness. We'll see.
That voice in the back of your head..."now then, now then, now then..."🤣🤣🤣ATB👍👍👍
Gollum with a semi lol 'Miiiiike precious'
Well I'm watching this whilst keeping an eye on my poorly daughter who has d&v and is finally sleeping on the sofa after god knows how many sick buckets. We were meant to be going into the shropshire hills in the nice cold weather this weekend but for now I'll watch this and live vicariously through you for a bit.....again.
Ah mate I hope she feels better soon. That's brutal when the little ones are sick like that. My boy had it last month bless him. Glad I could provide some kind of outdoor video then, fingers crossed you can reschedule that trip mate!
That confirms it then…. Swedish sasquatch making you poop it🤣
Galum with a semi! 😂😄🤣 Bigfoot with a full on rager 😱🥶 uuhhh sorry there ol boy, it's like a popsicle, mate, I'm gonna go ahead and call it and take off... 😉
I feel bad u had to take an L after years of winning. You're still a soldier.
When I was in the US ARMY, in 1971, I was stationed in Germany and we would go on war exercises. we would camp out in the german alps snow covered at below-zero temperatures and wind blowing 40 to 60 mph. all this while pitching a tent on a 30 degree slope of the mountain side. the noise from the wind was so loud it was like a freight train going by me all night. and NO i didnt get any sleep that night, i just froze my ass off all night. and it was snowing like hell. great memories !!
Dam, hard times in the movement but good memories to look back on I'm sure. Its 30 below next week, i'm considering it with the new 'insulated' setup but perhaps I should let it warm up 10 degrees. Thanks for the comment and for watching.
Wow … wow … wow… always amazing to watch your videos and the one with your family (with Megan and Max too )I love watching your video from uk to Sweden .You are very brave and you are a good soul i envy you i wish i could do on my own one day.
I learn a lot and thanks for sharing it.
God bless you and your lovely Family.
Shafan
Thanks for watching Shafan, glad you enjoyed the video!
Man, it's good to see another of your videos. Kind of forgot that there's a second channel here.
All the best to you and your family, Mike.
Thanks for checking it out. Happy new year 🎉
I love watching your videos because when I'm finally able to build an overlanding vehicle, I will have so many ideas from your channel! You always say we can 'learn from your mistakes', but what I see is an incredibly capable and efficient vehicle and setup, that is constantly advancing!
We all are going older year by year and warmth is more needed lol
i have to go for lunch will watch it tomorrow
I can't believe it has taken all those years to refind your content, Mike.
Love your style
You are a brave man!
This video was amazing thanks for filming it despite the disappointment of having to leave early. This video was still incredible! Really enjoyed it keep doing what you do. And wishing you the best from the States!
Thanks for watching and glad you enjoyed it. It was a shame to leave but the adjustments I've made should make the next camp a bit more comfortable....I hope lol 😆
Always follow you gut instincts.
I just came to the end of your video where you are talking about the cold coming from underneath. I could suggest you get a 10cm self inflating mattress, as still standing air is insulating whereas blankets are not 🙂 Your body heat will help keeping that small volume of air warm. Whatever blanket you put underneath will not keep you warm as it will be compressed by your body weight. I wouldn't go for solid foam mattresses either. The -20C is not too bad, I have been sleeping out in -33C in northern Greeland and kept warm. I have also been out in -63C with chill factor. But I do admit that it turns around the -20C, that is where you feel that 'grip' on your head 🙂 Any advice needed of keeping warm in extreme cold, please reach out as I have 7 years of experience from the Arctic. In fact, sleeping directly on the snow but sheltered from the wind would have kept you more warm that night, Best, Bjorn
Thanks for all the info Bjorn, I appreciate it. Hopefully the next video will present a better outcome and I can enjoy the morning with some ice fishing. I'm an idiot really given how much technical camping gear I have at home for backpacking, yet I didn't think to bring anything as a backup. But away you live a learn and that's what these experiences are for.
Thanks for the tips and for watching!
That part about Gollum watching with a semi caught me off guard 🤣
I also use the Megamat. What I do because of my back is that I kept a 3’’ high density foam that came with the tent under the Megamat. It work very well as an air block. That’s the thing in winter, safety comes first. Ok second after tea/coffee 😁.
A few options for your next try, a solar generator and electric blanket. Second option a diesel heater, just got one and it works very well. I plan to use it ice fishing here in Minnesota USA. We can get to -50F in the northern part of the state, so we sleep in a trailer made for ice fishing. Ice can get 3 feet / 1 meter thick very safe for vehicles.
Some sound options. Although I don't think the solar generator will work with the lack of light. My friend has a setup like that and it bearly works in winter. I have an 750wh lithium battery with a diesel heater on the truck. I mentioned the battery died and had to be returned for warranty before this outing so I was back to my old crappy battery which failed in the cold and the diesel heater wouldn't start.
We get it here with the ice being a meter or more. Then the ice racing starts in town which is fun.
Thanks for your video I in joyed it 😎👍
"He's got a semi....."
Bahahaha!
When you measured the ice thickness it reminded me of a course I took growing up in Alaska called “Arctic Engineering” where we studied a lot of special cold weather related situations. One topic was ice thickness required in order to support different vehicle weights since many roads are ice roads over lakes. Pretty cool science behind it, I thought maybe you were gonna drive out on the lake!
Haha I don't think I could risk it. Its been a mild start to the winter and the locals have mentioned air pockets and thin ice areas. It would be cool though to try that. Camping on the ice!
I can imagine the look of disappointment on Sasquatch's face when you drove away.
Broke is heart. I guess he can rebound with Gollum.
Cracking video Mike thanks for sharing with us, love your comedy commentary moments 🙂 Felt for you re the cold underneath, not sure what the answer is there. You trusted your instinct though so fair play for calling it and packing up for another time ...
Mike, as a new subscriber I’ve gone back and watched every single vid from the beginning, and this vid is a leap ahead, AWESOME! Great work mate, the videography, and that Timelapse of fire/northern lights was just amazing! I love alpine touring here in Australia and that is just next level!
Personally I still think you can’t beat sleeping in the ground, I use a swag here in Aus granted worst I’ve been in here was -10°. But even swag on a stretcher was considerably colder. Keep up the great work mate 👍
Well firstly thanks for subscribing and for watching. That was a particularly special night for me in this video, amazing northern lights and a frozen arse due to my oversight on insulation under the roof tent. Good memory's though. Fortunately I addressed the insulation and can comfortably deal with -25c and perhaps even a bit below.
Sleeping on the ground though is superior, and lighter. I backpack and use an MSR Tent and there is less effect from the wind. The RTT is just convenience and a compact footprint for me as its always flat and only ever as big as the jeep itself. Swags are unheard-of here. Are they raised camp beds inside a tent tunnel?
@@WorkshoptoWilderness welcome mate and well done for being honest and calling it a night and not hiding it! You’re spot on, you must follow your gut and sometimes you have to move on, especially solo! It’s hard to describe the feelings of solo but you capture it very well in my books! The joys of adventure hey!
-25°c is damn cold, and the RTT has loads of space and comfort👌
A swag is basically a classic Aussie bushman bedroll like a bivvy bag, except heavy canvas 14-16oz, and some have hoops for a dome-style setup, a foam matress inside a modern day swag. I use Sea to summit insulted self inflating 8cm matt in mine for smaller lighter packup and more comfort and R value.
Simple basic but warm cocoon.
Gollum with a semi, that's an image that is going to stay with me for a long time
Hes a deadly force to be reckoned with, but there's still time to fend him off before he goes Full Bone
Really good video Mike, thank you. Not everyone understands that adventure is not always fun. Glad to hear you kept your sense of humour. Cheers.
Fantastic TH-cam channel. Just subscribed tonight. Great content great viewing. Keep up the great work.
Thanks for subscribing and watching!
Haha, actually lol.
You for sure have watched the informal documentarys: "Trolljegeren", and "Troll"? Very good to know this stuff when stumbling around in their territory.
I would have stuffed alot of pine twigs, green ones between the jeep roof and the tent floor, maybe snow around to keep the air still in there. For later trips i would have had insulation mat there, the ones with yellow plastic around. Also, you can not beat reindeer hide (fur?) under your body. And over.. everywhere.
Look into reflective attic insulation, where 2 pieces of mylar have foam sandwiched between them you can't beat it.
I'd say you're in the right environment for testing out a jeep like that. Stay warm, Mike!
I've had plenty of those experiences where tho spot is gorgeous but there's something within you that tells you to move on, when I've defied that I've had little to no sleep and an even bigger urge to leave asap.
I don't debate it with myself anymore, if that weary vibe is there I rather go for the next alternative.
: get some reindeer hide/pelt what ever it's called, it is awesome...
I know exactly what you mean. I've done nights in places my guts been screaming at me to not stay at. I just don't sleep well at all. Better to just roll with the unspoken like you say. Thanks for watching
The lament in your eyes at the missing copy of Razzle, tragic!
But seriously, great one, the talking ice sounded hungry.
This is exotic for me! 18 degrees C and sunny today in Greece...
Might have to thank Hazey for getting you to curse on camera for the first time. Now the swearing flows out of you like the cussing at a holiday dinner with family. Great content Mike.
Just find your channel...beautiful looking xj you got there mate..done subscribe..gotta enjoy all your videos after this one chilling at home
Thanks for subscribing and watching. Hope you like the videos!
Hey Mike, enjoyed the video! I'm glad that you called the trip early, seemed like pretty dangerous conditions out there.
Yeah Mike, you yourself mentioned that you should sleep on the ground, in the owning room. I just thought when I was watching you, that you should sleep by the fire on the ground, on the matress. But the point is, that it is very dangerous to sleep by the fire nowadays in these modern synthetic sleeping bags and synthetic jackets, on synthetic mattresses, under synthetic lean to tarps. Those can melt on you, those scan cauth fire... here comes in the picture the wool blanket you mentioned. That cannot cauth fire. In the 19th century cowboys in the US had only a canvas bedroll and two wool blankets per a person, and they easily coped with the minus temperatures on the prairie. If there was really cold, they slept around the fire, but their canvas/wool/leather gear cannot cauth fire (see Dee Brown's historical books about the Wild West). Sleeping beside a fire is a fantastic experience and because of it, I am experimenting with these old school materials and methods lately. Something else: I always have in my first aid package that foldable emergency heat reflecting folia. If you wrap that around you, or put it underneath you in the sleeping bag, that can reflect back surprisingly much of your body heat. Anyway, I really enjoyed your video and your utmost honesty, as always!
I think the coldest I've slept in a wool blanket by a long log fire was -7c. We did an course some years back when I was an instructor. That kind of setup, although simple and romantic, has its limitations. I think I did a video on it on the other channel. I camped in my wool blanket setup for years. I use to sleep on spruce bows. I abandoned it for a bivi setup due to the issues with moisture, packability and weight when wet. It's different in a 4wd of course because you can carry a lot but I can also carry a much more comfortable setup.
-25c is too cold for basic wool blanket setup, even with a fire it won't be a sound night. You need to tend to the fire and build a reflective barrier behind your setup to get some minimal radiative heat. I guess I feel like I've done my fair share of roughing although I still practice many old skills to keep my hand in. Thanks for watching and for the comment
Love the scenery and the jeep. Great video.
Least you were humble enough to know when nature says no.
Hi Mike, Great to see you again. I've been kinda slacking on my Overlanding Adventure viewing as I've gotten back into Radio Communications, AKA CB Radio, and have actually started a channel of my own. I'm glad I'm having a little down time to be able to catch up with you. You are definitely one of the best Story Tellers I've ever encountered and really enjoy your videos and content. I will always keep up with you as long as I'm able. Happy Trails Friend ✌✌
Appreciate the comment and thanks for watching!!
Awesome video, love the sound the ice makes.
Interestingly enough, I was in UPSALA doing my research when I bumped into this thing, let's call him, 'Storfot'. We got talking as you do and ended up in a bar. It was obvious that he was more used to the outdoors than the indoors of a Swedish bar, but I asked him what he was doing in the City and he said that he had risked coming in to find copies of RAZZLE so that he could lay down as a bait trap to catch this English Yorkshire Tea drinking guy with severe 4X4 OCD who was always taunting him. His plan was to use these copies of RAZZLE as bait to lead the English guy into his lair. In his other hand, was a big bag of Vaseline. Be careful of what you wish for. Mike. Great video as always and I do fully appreciate and respect your ingenuity when it comes to things that fit, fold out or just make life easier.
🤣🤣🤣 oh god the rumours are true then. I better watch my six and right my name on all my old mags just incase lol. Haha thanks for watching and for the laugh
Thank you for continuing to enable me to live vicariously through your videos Mike, another brilliant one.
Good decision on getting out of there, those kind of temps aren't to be roughing it! Might be a bit of a cowboy move but could shoving a load of ferns/pine foliage in-between the bottom of the rooftop tent and the roof of the XJ help a bit? Or grab a heated mattress topper when you have your power source back 👌
Ah no worries, I'm glad you enjoy them. Hopefully the next one will be a bit more successful haha. Its that air gap as you say that's the problem. I thought about packing snow in there but it's so cold the snow is like granules and it doesn't hold together. The wind sort of blows it about but spruce bows could work too.
I was too cold and tired to attempt it to be honest. Once the cold got into me I just wanted to get warm no matter the cost. I guess I could make a blanket insert that packs under it all. That would probably work well
I’m Canadian and I had to look up “razzle” my heart dropped and I felt sorry you left it at home 😢
Sasquatch!!!!! Area probably 😂😂😂
Hi Mike, I reckon you just need foam under the mat like you mentioned. I use an Exped winter mat, rated down to -20 but I'll still feel the cold if I put it straight on the ground even at temps around freezing. Even a thin foam/foil mat makes a difference at those temps but if it's colder I'll use an Exped Flexmat and that really helps the mat retain my body heat. Great video as always, I'll be in Sweden next spring in the Hilux, I'll keep my eye out for you 👍
Ah nice, let me know when your around and perhaps we can meet up. My email is Mike@mcqbushcraft.co.uk if you do by chance feel like getting in touch. Thanks for watching!
@@WorkshoptoWilderness Cheers Mike, I'll drop you an email if we make it that far north. ATB mate.
Nice video…
YOU NEED A PROPANE HEATER… its the same as the one you have but it burns propane instead.. 100% reliable … its the new latest and greatest in overlanding heaters👍
My jeeps a diesel, and my diesel heater is plumed into my 100 litre furl tank. It works much better than carrying an extra fuel source.
Mike - I think it was a rational decision given the conditions and the amount conduction loss you were experiencing. What about adding a layer of reflectix, even a double layer to slow down that process. Hello to Meg and MaxMcQ 🙌.
I managed to get it sorted with another double mat and some Mylar under my mat. Its a lot warmer but its actually stil a slight problem and it all depends on the weather. The air gap between the jeep and the tent is the weak spot. I have an old army sleep bag that I will stuff between the roof and tent which will probabaly make a huge difference. Thanks for watching, Merry Christmas to you and the family!
If I only could have given more likes...
Great video, knowing when to call it is smart. 8 R factor is definitely not enough. Insulation board with reflective material may help.( may freeze also since up in air. I am now partial to extra wool blankets (good ones) totally changes bags R value. You need more nest material under you. I have found that an air mattress makes it worse ( you can’t produce enough heat to heat an air gap in those temps). All good content that others need to see
Great film mate, those lac sounds were creepy as shit! I like too camping in winter, you definitely feel alive in those moment. That jeep is always a treat to look at, it is a well sorted vehicle and you could be proud. Enjoy your bed ahah, cheers !
Slept out under the stars in -30, not something i would do again, it was really cold. In the sleepingbag it was cozy, but getting dressed was a pain.
Lovely to see though.
Good effort Mike, shame the cold got through the mattress. Really enjoyed the time lapse sequences and the Northern lights, that something I have never seen with my own eye's!
The main thing is you got back to a warm environment and survived the cold.
Bigfoots got a name you know, he's called Jim'll over here in the UK and he will Fix it:)
I did my best, well probabaly not. I was too lazy to put up the awning room and sleep on the floor which would have been so much warmer. The cold got into me and I just folded.
The lights were something that night! Thanks for watching Sandy, hope your well mate!
Trust your instincts....
I fish at a location in Brittany. Its a river with two lakes nearby. The river is beautiful, the first lake is shallow but has a good head of fish.
BUT the second lake just gives me the willies for some reason. If I stand near it I feel very uncomfortable and won't even camp near it.
Maybe some kind of ancestral memory kicking in or evolved distrust of a location that could harbour danger.
Yooo my dude, diggin the videos! A recommendation for the pole, use it to hold the hatch open and support the whole tent? Posting this while watching still so sorry if ya did 😅
I cut us each a length of "Reflectix insulation" 24"x6'. It's great to have behind you while sitting around the fire. Then it helps under an airmat. I guess one way to look at it is R value is R value. But I think the ratio of your heat going in is far exceeded by the heat being extracted from the big mat you don't cover. An airmat is mostly covered by you and there is a lot less mass to heat. Reflectix, wool blanket and airmat works great.
Great Video Mike! Sucks the Diesel heater didn't work
Yeah that would have probably made life a lot easier. Dam battery just couldn't take the cold. I'm going out again but better prepared I think
What absolutely stunning scenery mate it was Jimmy savile that was waiting for you👍🏴
I thought he would be in hibernation, but I was wrong. Thanks for watching.
"Time of your life, kid"...
"Golems got a semi" 😂
I guess I am confused if Gollum has a semi you would hear him coming. Then it is easy just run out on the lake and when he drives the semi out after you he goes through the ice. problem solved. Now big foot that is a whole different deal. Here in north Idaho I aways carry two bags family size Oreos double stuff of course. Usually by the time he finishes the second bag he goes into a sugar coma and I just slip away. But be very careful if you meet him again he will want to share and thats when things go south.😁
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Always enjoy your videos - wondering if a thermal blanket with heat/cold deflection (alu) could help. In my rooftop it has a 10mm sandwich alu floor. Just the basic folding fabric type tent.
Hope for a sequel soon💪☃️
Amazing!!!!!!!!
Avid Carp Thermatech Heated Sleeping Bag. Runs off any power bank. Probably not what you're after but it popped in my head so I just had to say about it.
No idea if it would work in your situation but I'd try a 30mm or so layer of closed cell foam mechanics mats. It's what me and my daughter used in the tent before I got us camp beds. It worked far better than any sleeping mat at keeping the cold away from us. It is rock hard though but it was excellent at keeping us warm from freezing ground.
You made the right choice by going home, you don't want to get ill just to prove a point.
Regarding your power station, is there no way to install the previous firmware? It's possible the firmware you installed bricked it but there must be a way to sort it. Don't suppose it matters now though seeing as they're taking it back.
That Firefox and campfire segment with that music was to die for.... Not from the cold though lol.
I imagine you'll be better prepared next time. Its all a learning curve. In time you'll be the master of all weather conditions.
The only thing I thought of at the time while watching you freeze was packing snow between the car roof and tent floor, sounds good but it might also be dumb, I really don't know. Oh and also using animal skins under the mat, just thinking out loud.
Thank you for effort you put into filming the trip, I wholeheartedly appreciate it. Hats off to you.
Great video Mike! I've done tons of winter hammock camping ( Canada). There is something about passing the -20C that seems to make the management of the cold exponentially more difficult with every degree...and like you, its not the top which is problematic, but rather the bottom where my body is compressing the loft of my sleeping bag. My solution for ''comfort'' is doubling up on the underquilt. That extra pocket of air trap between the underquilts seems to make all the difference...and proper positioning so the wind doesn't go through my setup and take away all the air that my body warmed up. So I wonder, could you make an ''underquilt'' under your setup.
The air gap it the issue, close the gap with a membrane. Convention heat loss.
Flicking hot fluid in the air to see if it freezes on the way down was your prep work for later when you get the old razzle out ;)
Additional joke:
Damn, Mike, it must have been cold that night if you could only manage to give Bigfoot a single inch.
Jokes aside, I've been in a similar situation with a failed sleeping mat, up on Kinder, it was a long night to tough it out.
Hahahaha!! Touché, you got me. My Razzle prep revealed a failure on that warmth generating activity. That sounds like a tough night. Its horrible when you are cold and have to just get through it. I wouldn't have slept that night but in hindsight I should have just slept in the awning room on the floor.
Anyway, at least I got home and found my magazine.
Thanks for watching!
Those are challenging conditions Mike.... would have trouble finding the little chappy and his 2 brothers in those temperatures 😂..
Knowing you mate...you will come up with a solution to those freezing problems....-25c that is hard core...
Hope you will do a video about any improvements you make to your setup mate..
Anyway hope you and the family have a merry Christmas...and I will look forward to your videos in the new year....
Take care...and strength and honour...❤️👍
Merry Christmas to you and the family mate! I will be sure to film any improvements and hopefully I can get this all to work in such low temps. Its going to be much colder over the coming months and I would like to get out.
Thanks again and all the best!
Totally understand you have to experience things to progress. Without friction, there is no growth.
About your mattress, have you thought about putting some reflectix or reflective insulated padding for floors?
I've added in some mylar to reflect the heat back up I to the mattress but in addition another 10cm of insulation under the mylar. In total its pretty thick and it should help but I still doubt that it will work for extended periods in such temperatures.
My heat vs the conduction of the cold air. I loose I think. I will probably have to sleep on the ground in the winter.
Greetings from the USA. Enjoyed your video, wife said why would anyone camp in such conditions, my answer "Because". I thought about an electric blanket on top of the mat if there was an efficient one and the batteries would handle it.
I thought about an electric blanket also. I'm sure it would be really nice but my power setup probabaly wont be reliable enough at this stage. Despite the mishap it was an enjoyable trip up until the point when it wasn't lol.
Thanks to you and your wife for watching
Just a suggestion but keeping a few candles with for times all the high tech equipment fails on you, a simple candle in the tent can raise the temp inside easily 20degreese or so. Used them in snow caves in Austria to make it livable and not miserable. Only thing is in a tent with all the flammable gear just have to make a safe container so it can’t get knocked over and light ur tent up with u in it. Also need alittle ventilation to not asphyxiate your self. Stone Age tech, but cheap, no expiration date, and never fails
No issues with stone age tech, its a great idea. I have used something similar myself with Megan when we slept in a snow cave. I'm not sure how well it would work in those cold temps in a poorly insulated tent but with several of them in some kind of fire proof contraption it would make a difference eventually I'm sure. Thanks for the tip and also thanks for watching!
Hi Mike, friggin brilliant vid, I was captivated. You really conveyed the extreme cold challenges and the winter landscape to us. Totally get it about that unease vibe in certain spots when out camping…as for camera batteries dying… have you tried the ‘hothand sachets’ i used them on back of my camera ( admittedly it was not minus 20!) as for under bed freezing,…aagh…I am sure you will come up with a solution… not trying to teach you to suck eggs, but have you tried out a think lose wool under blanket ( like a 4 inch wool mattress topper?) also dodo 18mm floor insulation for campervan flooring.. just installed on my van. Anyway wishing you Meg and family a very Happy Christmas , stay safe… best wishes Vee
Hey Vee! How are you? Its been a long time! I'm glad you enjoyed the video, it was a bloody cold one and i'm getting ready to go out again in similar temps, but a bit more prepared. Ah no worries, I never knew how to suck an egg so good to get tips on anything really. I haven tried ‘hothand sachets’ and its a great idea! I have some in the basement so I will pack a handfull when I'm next out. I since made a insulated battery box which seems to be better but below -15c things start getting really tough.
It was -35c today and my god everything just died. The LCD on my hero 5 just cracked as soon as I walked outside lol. I've packed a thick wool blanket and made some additions to the insulation in the tent.
@@WorkshoptoWilderness i hope you video next trip too! Its minus 5 here atm and I was rather excited by such extreme temperatures but it feels a tad pathetic compared to your freezing temperatures! Lol! Anyway have a fab ( guaranteed ) white christmas and stay safe and WARM! 🙂
Creasing here 🤣🤣🤣
The roof top tents look tempting, but so darned expensive. Do you think it's better than the awning room you've got? Definitely a little faster to set up I guess.
One of the best pieces of gear I've ever bought was a ridge crest foam sleeping pad. I bought it when I was 20 for backpacking when I was tougher. I'm in my 40's and it's still in decent shape. It's great to put under another pad to boost the R rating and comfort, you can also sit on it on rough terrain without fear of popping it or embers from a fire damaging it. It stays in the back of my truck all the time. In the summer I even set my groceries on it to insulate from the hot metal. It's even been used as a privacy screen by my daughter when she was 3-4 and sitting beside interstate on a training potty.
Yeah they cost a bit for sure. It's how much use you get out of it I suppose, although I got mine on sale so that was a bonus. The awning room would be warmer on the ground, although time consuming to setup and the plastic clips that hold it together have begun to shatter in the cold.
Its also hard to peg down on frozen ground and the wind moves it about a lot. I mainly use to for longer durations and family outings.
So now i have to worry about gollum with a semi in the forest as well as the usual forest gnomes and trolls...
Hahaha!
nice music at 35:45
Just been out in the snow in my 4.0 xj, only -2 though.
Always surprising good videos, that time lapse around camp was sick. Far from being more experienced than you, specially on that temperature range... but what that issue with the mattress brings to my mind was, back in the day in an older video, your surprised face when your lovely wife said that she prefers the foam mattress rather than these super rated thermarest... That being said, my question for you, thinking about what you had available, is: does that sitting pads that you had around the ice for fishing, wouldn't help to cope that? P.S.: I wouldn't concern with gollum, he probably got his balls frozen 10 degress ago.
Megan never trusted the blow up mattresses. Personally I like them but they are not as reliable. I've actually added another mattresses and some mylar under the mattress in the tent and it should make a big difference. That and a thick wool blanket. I hope the next trip works out to be less uncomfortable. Once the cold gets into your hands and feet it's not fun.
Haha I guess that's a good thing right, the cold means that everything else would be frozen lol. Thanks for the comment and for watching!
Razzle 😂😂😂😂
Great video. Sounds too simple but would the humble hot water bottle be an option? I use one for torso and one for the bottom of the bag definitely helps in my room where I don't have heating
Not at all, A hot water bottle is a great idea!
You only gave Big Foot an inch?! Haha ;)
Treat um mean, keep up keen.
Maybe this has already been mentioned, but try a foam mat or two on top of your inflatable mat.
Not my idea, credit goes to Erik th-cam.com/video/6DPOTPznKmk/w-d-xo.html
I've found even putting my sit pad under my torso on top of my neoair "feels" warmer. I guess the neoair insulates from the cold ground and the foam pad insulates my back from the cold air in the neoair.
Love your videos, keep up the good work. 😊
Does the Jeep manage to be warm in the cabin in those temps ? Maybe your heater core is better than mine, at -4 I was struggling to get a lot of warm air.
When you were describing the set up and talking about having a layer of foam I was thinking maybe a layer of PIR Board might be ideal sandwiched in wood to protect it.
Hi mate. You need a thin foil mat under you
Do you keep any of those emergency foil blankets with you? The ones about the size of a pack of cards, but they obviously make bigger thicker ones. I wonder if something reflective like that could have helped as an additional layer.
I think it would help. I've added one of those under my mat but also another 10cm of insulation under that. Hopefully it will help but I will probably just sleep on the ground if not.