I just installed a Lorex Fusion NVR system with 4 x 4K bullet cameras, that I bought on sale at Costco, then added another 4 x open box 4K WIFI cameras that I bought on sale from Lorex. If you’re just looking for a simple system, the 4K WIFI cameras might be the way to go as you don’t need the NVR, just the app on your smart phone or tablet, but if someone steals your camera, you lose that & the video on the memory card too. That’s why I have all mine connected to the NVR. The wired cameras use CAT 5e cable, so I was able to snip the NVR end connector off the cable, drill a small 1/4” hole through my wall, feed it through, run it to the NVR, then cut to length & crimp a new connector on & test. I control everything through my iPhone app.
@@JD.007 I use Blue Iris on my computer, works perfectly! Some cameras also have cloud storage and/or an SD card within the camera to save videos to. I prefer the videos be saved locally to my hard drive. You could also get a DVR, but you have to be sure to get one that will function properly with the cameras you purchase.
Was hoping to hear more about the PRIVACY aspects of both systems. Since we are here for SECURITY, all I care about is how PRIVATE my system is and how my recordings are protected from being accessed by "third parties" (data collection companies, hackers, cyber punks, security surveillance companies/employees, etc.). In terms of data breach, there is an inherent risk in running network-based systems rather than analog (closed circuit) systems, correct? Probably the biggest "pro" of the DVR system is that it is CLOSED loop. Great info on this video! Keep it up!
It's as private as you make it. You don't have to connect either type of recorder to the internet if you don't want to access it remotely. You can have the NVR on a closed network that only includes the NVR and IP cameras. If you do want to access it remotely it has to be connected to the internet, and it's unlikely anyone will ever hack it and view your cameras, as long as it has an internet connection it isn't 100% safe from being accessed. There have already been many cases of law enforcement getting warrants to access citizen's camera footage without their knowledge. One article I read said that the police knew a man was using Ring cameras inside his home, and they got a warrant to access all of his footage directly from Amazon without even notifying him. And there are other such cases of people's Amazon and ring accounts being hacked and letting unwanted eyes to watch them directly through their cameras.
The Government and hackers can tap into anything now. You should not put them up in the 1st place we need freedom and privacy not living life on cameras like a science project.
Who would want a nvr? I guess thier okay with it because they have to agree to their constantly evolving privacy policy, which undoubtedly has legal jargon most people don't understand or even read that they are allowing their video, 24/7 to be shared with and sold to 3rd parties. No thanks. I'm going caveman, with a cctv system. I don't mind pain of routing wires, who would want their private life exposed, constantly, alk the while that data is being sold , and used to train their models...blah blah blah , and they are paying for it themselves! I say pay me and I will send you a video. I'm not falling for it and all these apps replacing the internet are violating our 4th ammendment right to be free from unnecessary search and seizure. Google sux , TH-cam algorithm is like an obsessed ex lover. And my Mac g4 desktop computer 20 years ago was less glitchy, more intuitive and faster then my new Samsung phone, all those billions of transistors , it's a fact , it loses its connection 20-30 times a day. It's all breaking down man
IP is certainly not without it's quirks. In multiscreen live view via a local monitor (usually above quad screen) most will only display sub stream, whereas a DVR will display in main stream in multiscreen in 4/8/16/32/64 way. Also as you mentioned, accessing the IP cameras web front end remotely can be tricky when they are powered from the NVR's POE ports. however, most manufacturers have ports that can be opened in the router to allow the internal porting from LAN side to the relevant POE port, it can be buggy but it can save a site visit.
My old DVR finally quit, but it ran and never dropped a camera. While, my NVR-IP camera's dropped all the time, always a nightmare. My NVR just blew up, lighting strike and I ordered another hoping for better connectivity and less dropped camera's with this newer unit. I will say looking at a 4k picture is vastly better than Analog.
There is 4k video DVR's as well. IP cameras are not as good as Analog HD. Sure I have many NVR's and DVR's in my life. Mostly because I do Tech Support and how can someone offer advice of something you don't own. So with that said. People Pushing POE NVR's over a DVR is Just Dumb lol. 1 cable LOL. really Siamese cable is 1 cable as well lol.. My DVR's works better then any NVR I own and my most Costly NVR is almost 500 without a HDD. My 16ch DVR from same company less then 1/2 that and does better to the second footage. IP camera and Analog HD camera in same area of the road, The NVR lags about 500ms behind the Analog camera. What I mean is looking at a road cars going from left to right or right to left. I can see the footage in the DVR before it shows in the NVR. PTZ, audio, Video and power down 1 cable in my DVR just the same as my NVR. Also having to reset the NVR you have to setup all cameras again. In a DVR you Reset the DVR and cameras come back online as they are connected. Only have to setup Detection zones and recording. NVR you have to Device Search, setup, change pass, then setup what ever might not have been pulled from the cameras setup and still have to setup Recording types.. Now I will admit AI camera on my AI NVR is faster to setup then on my AI DVR. Because the AI camera NVR pulls data from camera. AI DVR I have to setup the Events. However it is still Faster to setup a DVR over a NVR AI or Not..
Same. I just went back to analogue for just that reason. The ip cams kept dropping and would even require a reboot sometimes. So yep. Theyre all in the trash now and ive gone back to analogue.
Excellent presentation with all necessary details that a novice needs to know. With this knowledge I'm very confident I can buy, install, and configure a DVR camera system. Thank you!
Analog systems are still widely used to this day! You may look into running cat cable w/ baluns instead of siamese so you have the potential to upgrade to an IP system down the road.
One thing you forgot to mention in the favor of the coax cameras is the far increased distances that you can run the camera cabling while still having it home run to the DVR and also not having to deal with baluns. You can get 4k UHD cameras in coax as well as IP, but if you are working in larger buildings you don't have to worry as much about cable length limitations.
It would be nice if you would mention at least once what all those initials stand for like you did at the beginning with NVR & DVR. Just for the 1 or 2 newbies here. Maybe a legend naming all the abbreviations. Thanx for your time and video.
I'm totally sold on IP cameras. Configuration is usually easier (many have their own built in web interfaces you can use instead of fidgeting with OSD menus), you don't have to special order cables like you do with analog cameras (you can get Ethernet cables just about anywhere), I've personally found analog cables to be unreliable/poor quality, you don't have to order power supplies separately for the most part (other than maybe buying a PoE switch), there is added convenience of being able to link into your home network with a PoE switch when convenient to do so, ethernet is less bandwidth constrained (I can configure my IP cameras for higher FPS at the same resolution), and at least as far as I've experienced, there are no or far less issues with noise/interference requiring additional hardware like ground loop isolators when using IP cameras. I currently use a "pentabrid" Hanwha Techwin DVR with both analog and IP cameras, but from here forward, I will only add IP cameras and slowly retire the analog ones.
Very well said! How are you liking your Hanwha products? We just recently started carrying Hanwha, and we plan to expand our product line over time. Let us know if there's anything specific you're looking for and we can help you out.
No one ever mentions the hassle with DVR systems that the connectors in the back for the coax cables are so close together it makes it a pain in the arse to troubleshoot issues by swapping channels and cameras etc.
True as that may be annoying but with nvr if a camera goes out and you replace it you will need a computer for the ip address rather the analog it’s just a simple swap
I like the DVR. No reliance on internet. It's a contained system that nobody can hack and even if everything but the power grid fails it'll still be working. Even then you could always use a generator or solar. I don't like the shift toward cloud based or internet based stuff. Someone could hold your recordings hostage or spy on you or hack your cameras and other nefarious things. Edit: AND NO SUBSCRIPTION.
I have the LOREX NVR system,and I don't rely on the internet/cloud. I just simply don't use an Ethernet wire from the NVR to the router. I just use it locally or closed circuit. Not hackable. It has a 3 terabyte hard drive for storage that is also expandable by adding another hard drive inside and use them in tandem. One 3 tb hard drive at the highest 4k resolution gives me roughly 2 weeks and 2 days worth of recording ability,but before it loops and records over the beginning of your surveillance,you can save clips of video to a flash drive.
I also like the DVR, I've got some annoying siblings who always, ALWAYS get into my stuff and take things like money. But we don't have good internet where I live so a DVR and being totally offline is the best way for me to make sure my family stays out of my business
I'm a total beginner with no experience in CCTV systems and intend to setup one. Thanks for revealing that there exist different types. What I would like to know is how to setup an NVR without needing a HDMI screen and doing everything on a mobile phone. Is it possible?
Nice bit of info! We have a new install to do at a Surgery, we've always in the past installed DVRs but after watching this, we will definitely be installing an NVR system.
Hi Tyler.......thank you for educating me, really appreciate it , now I know the difference, and it helps me to make the right choice between the two.......thanks again!!.......doug
I have a single wide mobile home in the western NC mountains. Being a very security conscious guy, and due to recent theft on property, I am looking for the best system to use. Trying to stay wireless mainly due to disabilities, yay for old age. Ring seems to be a very close fit, but I saw a review on them and it didn't look good, compared to about 6 others. My strategy (outdoors) is to have 5 cameras, two flood lights with cameras, a two way door bell, and 3 interior cameras that you can rotate, tilt, etc. I have mainly raccoons, bear, skunk, possums, and very rarely deer that visit. So I don't want to be jumping 20 times a day, if that sort of thing can be avoided. I had a driveway sensor that worked perfectly in alerting me of visitors when there, but until recently, someone decided to steal. My closest neighbor is roughly 1/4 mile, and I don't think the bear ate it! This is what has pushed me to seek a decent security system, that won't break the old man bank. I would like also to have the ability to record 24/7, and somehow the software can take me directly to detections, if that exists. The ring system keeps dragging me in, but reviews are saying no. Don't mean to bother you sir, and I have no idea where you're at, but if you could point to a system that will put these idiots behind bars, I'd appreciate it! Thank you sir.
Hey Dan, thanks for the comment! I would advise reaching out to our sales guys and they can put together the proper system that meets your needs -> customerservice@nellyssecurity.com / 855-340-9999
I have an HD -SDI system which is about 5-6 years old. Was thinking of swapping out 4 x cameras/ DVR to a POC SPRO 4K system. Still analogue but would give me 4 times the clarity of my 2MP cameras with the same wiring
I am interested in knowing the processor type and processor speed on all NVRs and how much memory the NVR has, so I can compare processing and memory capabilities of NVRs when deciding which to purchase. I would also like to know the user interface software on various NVRs so I can compare capabilities of the software. If you could make videos or give a link to this type of info that would be great.
this was a good introduction to surveillance in general. thanks. I was wondering if there was a way to virtualize NVR instead of buying the hardware? surveillance virtualisation could be an awesome video.
Both cameras stream live directly onto the recorders. Only analog videos converted to digital video format by DVR, but videos that are captured by the IP camera don’t need to convert into digital format, because IP cameras have the capability of capturing the video and converting them directly into digital format before it passes to the NVR. That’s where the 4K/8K video comes from. The DVR recorder cannot upscale analog video captured by an analog camera and upscale the analog video into 4K digital format. Whereas the NVR doesn’t need to upscale videos captured by IP camera, because IP camera already is capable of capturing 4K videos. Therefore NVR streams live 4K footage whereas DVR has to take its time to convert the analog video into digital video. You can also see the lapse of time when you’re watching the videos from both systems. DVR doesn’t sync with the real time footage. You can see the actual recording lapses in 3-4 seconds from output timing. With DVR recording you’d be crossing the street and already on the south side of the street, but the live stream shows as if you’re still on the north side of the street.
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I haven't had one bad issue with my setup from Nelly's. They have great customer service.
If I had a camera in a field and there was a internet connection in the field. Could I put the camera in the field and have the NVR at a different location. And still access the camera via an app away from it. ??
So with the network camera it relies on your wifi and a wifi cable can easily be cut or disconnected to shut down the system. Id stick with the wired system
What's the easiest system to set up that can have the video feeds hardwired to the recorder, can have PTZ cameras, doesn't involve a lot of complicated "network" skills, and definitely doesn't involve the use of a cellphone in any way, shape or form?
Great tutorial I need to buy just a nerd DVR. My Q-see DVR stop working. It’s not recording any more. I just need a new DVR. Any word of advice anyone Please ( I don’t want to buy a Q-See DVR ) Can a buy a different brand and use the Q-see cameras. This a 20 year old system (original Q-See )
hi, can you explain the camera it is working till i have broadband internet, once i unplug cable from computer, it stop revording, not even letting view video on my phone, or if plug still in computer, but turn off broadband router, it stopped working camera, so camera will work only if i have broadband internet? without internet - i need NVR box recoder correct? any explanation will help me, i want instal in my car on the roof. with second battery. thank you
Hello, if you disconnect an internet connection to the camera, it will not be able to talk to the outside world. It would only be viewable locally in that scenario. The system must have an internet connection to view remotely.
Ip cameras are great and have there pros.. but the updated analog cameras are pretty dang good the cameras are cheaper on average and don’t have to worry about cable limitations of course there’s stuff for that in ip cameras but that’s one more thing you got to buy. Also the set up on ip cameras are more complex and also require a computer to setup everything. With analog of a camera goes out all you do is replace it and it’s working like new. If a Ip camera goes out you would need that computer again for the new camera due to the ip address. Over and all I say if you can afford it go right ahead but I recommend analog cameras due to you still see 1080p and some 4k for alot cheaper and easier instal including if one goes out
Omg thank u thats what I've been needing to know but no one would straight out say it I've been searching far and wide for this one statement I just needed to know can I get video recordings stored even when the internet fails
The main difference between NVR and DVR is how they process video data. DVR systems process the video data at the recorder, whereas NVR systems encode and process the video data at the camera. The NVR is for IP camera recording and the DVR is for analog or coax-based camera recording. The best I can make this is to think of a NVR as a NAS where you have several PCs hooked up to it all at one time and can read/write data to it all at one time. An NVR is similar to a NAS cause each cameras processes and encodes their own signals before sending them, thus the cameras are like many PCs hooked to the NVR and sending their signals all at one time. A DVR has to take the analog single from each camera and process and encode it itself to show you the digital video, thus making it like the "middle man" and must be connected to each camera. Man I'm sorry this is long, but I hope that helps yall🤣 I know how it works, its just hard to spit it out FYI a camera(ip camera) for an NVR doesn't nessesarly have to be hooked directly to the back of the NVR like a DVR analog camera (analog camera) has to cause the DVR is the needed middle man to process and encode the analog signal...an IP camera can actually be hooked to a router and as long as the NVR is connected to the same router/network, the signal from the IP camera can still make it's way to the NVR to be able to show on your monitor cause it processes and encodes its own signal...it being an IP camera, there are more ways to use it, even without the NVR as the NVR is literally like a NAS and just stores the data for you to view when needed, but you have to know what you're doing🤣
Hi. I have analog cameras with the DVR system. Cameras are plugged in but do not show up on the system or the screen. I would like to troubleshoot what could be causing this. Thank you.
Are the cameras on the screen black or does it say video loss? If black then there’s a small reset hole on the back of dvr box put a needle and push and hold for 10 secs and let go might here a beeping sound and screen will blank as it resets back to factory mines did this and it worked
I've got an older H264 DVR with existing cables laid - Can I replace a couple front cams with PTZ w optical zoom? will DVR accept the format or is better to replace and fit existing hard drive to a H265 or H266 if exists?
Not really. If there's a bottleneck in the local network and the cameras are on a switch it can sometimes cause issues but those situations are rare and if its plugged directly into the back of the NVR then there shouldn't be any issues at all
I have a Lorex 4K DVR and I want to record videos and control everything from my laptop and save those videos. But I don't need a WiFi router. Can I do that without WiFi-router?
I have a small 800sqft mom pop convenient store with 4 pumps in exterior. My old dvr analogue went out again. I am thinking I would like to try the nvr set up. Does the video stream record into a harddrive right there in the box just as the DVR does? When there is a police office we always make a copy of the incident on a flash plug from the DVR. Will that be the same? If not how is that accomplished. If the Poe nvr is connected to the router will we be able to search and record incidents or just view the stream? What are my options? Also would we be able to scale up to add one or two cameras to cover ATM machine? Oh and buy the poe cameras and cables. I will have to do this myself. Is there good tech support to guide and answer questions?On a budget and need 8 cameras.
That will be an excellent upgrade for your home system. If you have any questions or want to learn about our products, reach out to us! customerservice@nellysecurity.com, 855-340-9999
Correct me if I'm wrong but if you don't connect a dvr to your network doesn't that mean that it can't be remote hacked and someone would have to have physical access to the cable or dvr? From what I've read that's the biggest benefit of dvr over nvr
Very informative indeed. I want to know could i use a DVR setup for a church setup to feed into OBS ? ALTERNATIVELY did you do a video sendind a multicam Dvr feed into OBS?
I'm little lost here. So both NVR AND DVR systems need cables that need to be routed in the Attic and behind drywall ? It seems in this video to me like NVR still needs cat5 cables with eop switches and extenders and DVR is coax cables instead per the video I don't see cost savings for electricians labor since cable is cable.
For a DVR setup, direct connection to the camera is required for video. The camera also needs a power connection. So you would run a siamese cable from the camera (connected to video and to power) to the DVR, connect video to the DVR, then connect power to a power supply. That's one cable run for each camera, 4 terminated connections (2 DC pigtails, 2 BNC), and an additional power supply. For an NVR setup, direct connection to the camera is not required. For a simple 4-8 channel system, you can run a single Cat5e cable from the NVR to directly to the camera. This would be a single cable run per camera and two terminated connections (RJ45), and no additional power supply. Already there is material and labor savings, since Cat5e requires less terminations and is easier to terminate. But this setup isn't required, especially if you have many cameras or great distances to cover. All that an NVR system needs to function is network connectivity. You can have PoE switches located around your property, allowing you to run shorter cables to your cameras instead of having to run the cables to the NVR. You can also use devices like the IPCamPower splitter/combiner to install two cameras on one long cable run, cutting your labor in half essentially. In a nutshell, IP camera systems are much more flexible, easier, and faster to install. With one or two cameras you might not notice a huge difference. But as your systems grow, the time and labor you'll save will be more significant.
I'm thinking of going from the harbor freight 1080p system to the 4k system because I'm hoping that when I zoom in for example i can still see a license plate with the 4k but the current 1080p get to pixelated you cannot even make out a person let alone a plate. any thoughts on this..are my expectations correct?
You'll definitely get much more detail with a 4K system. These cameras are great for zooming in to see more details. But we also have a dedicated license plate camera if you're interested in checking that out: www.nellyssecurity.com/unv-fullhd-1080p-at-60fps-anpr-license-plate-recognition-lpr-weatherproof-bullet-ip-security-camera-with-a-4-7-47mm-motorized-lens-hc121atts8cr-z.html
About 700 feet for the analog coax cable (but this can be extended with video baluns), and about 300 feet for the IP PoE Ethernet cables (but this can be extended with PoE injectors and extenders)
I guess you have to run cable for each camera to the dvr or nvr. I was wondering if you can run wiring from camera to camera (like electric lights) with one cable coming into the house.
Nope it doesn't work like that unfortunately! Although you can get creative with PoE switches, repeaters, splitter/combiners in order to minimize the number of home runs you need to lay.
I have a DVR and after renovations of the house I paid a company to run the cables to the new location of my box and they ran Cat5 cables to my existing cameras and box that used to use my nbc cables and then used adapters so now I have a huge mess of cables and adapters behind my tv unit where my box is and it’s a mess.
That can allow you to swap out the cameras and recorder to an IP system down the line. Giving it more flexibility on futureproofing. I would have advised putting the system in a separate cabinet or room so it is not in the way!
I have Lorex that are failing each and every damn day. I've litterly called daily for a long time and unfortunately never got help. I'm just fed up with them. I do like the options these have and that's it. Whats best as far as dome and the others? I'm shopping for a better security camera system. Just really don't know what's actually awesome and that'll actually do their job. Been looking into montavue, GW security, CCTV or Hiseeu. I want excellent night vision.
We'd be happy to help! We carry Uniview, Hanwha, and R-Series (OEM Raysharp). Can't go wrong with any of them. Feel free to browse our site and let us know if you have any questions! www.nellysseurity.com
Can I network an external poe switch to the internal nvr switch? and connect ip cameras to the external switch, that will be given ip addresses from the nvr internal switch as if i connected those cameras directly to the nvr internal switch?
Dvr analog systems can run without internet.If you live in a remote or not so remote but a farm with satellite Internet believe me you want an analog system or a hybrid . I am still running coax cables just bc I have a trauma from the time I lived with satellite internet.🙄
So right now i am working far away but i can still view my home, my family with the cctv through my cp without worrying the recordings because of my dvr is hiding secretly. So as you said nvr cannot be viewed through cp so why then you said that nvr is the future?
Dear sir, i need to confirm Safevant DVR can work any type of Analog camera .Please explain which type of analog camera can work of this Safevant dvr .
Hello, You would need to check the DVRs spec sheet on what analog cameras it supports. Or contact the manufacturer. Since we do not carry Safevant systems, we do not have any info on them sadly.
I just installed a Lorex Fusion NVR system with 4 x 4K bullet cameras, that I bought on sale at Costco, then added another 4 x open box 4K WIFI cameras that I bought on sale from Lorex. If you’re just looking for a simple system, the 4K WIFI cameras might be the way to go as you don’t need the NVR, just the app on your smart phone or tablet, but if someone steals your camera, you lose that & the video on the memory card too. That’s why I have all mine connected to the NVR. The wired cameras use CAT 5e cable, so I was able to snip the NVR end connector off the cable, drill a small 1/4” hole through my wall, feed it through, run it to the NVR, then cut to length & crimp a new connector on & test. I control everything through my iPhone app.
Really helpful. Thank you. Might look at Costcos now..
IP cams are DEFINITELY the way to go! I highly recommend POE cams which makes it SO much easier to install and route the wiring. Thanks 4 the video!
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what about storage. nvr with a hhd or with cloud. or do some systems do both?
@@JD.007 I use Blue Iris on my computer, works perfectly! Some cameras also have cloud storage and/or an SD card within the camera to save videos to. I prefer the videos be saved locally to my hard drive. You could also get a DVR, but you have to be sure to get one that will function properly with the cameras you purchase.
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Was hoping to hear more about the PRIVACY aspects of both systems. Since we are here for SECURITY, all I care about is how PRIVATE my system is and how my recordings are protected from being accessed by "third parties" (data collection companies, hackers, cyber punks, security surveillance companies/employees, etc.). In terms of data breach, there is an inherent risk in running network-based systems rather than analog (closed circuit) systems, correct? Probably the biggest "pro" of the DVR system is that it is CLOSED loop. Great info on this video! Keep it up!
It's as private as you make it. You don't have to connect either type of recorder to the internet if you don't want to access it remotely. You can have the NVR on a closed network that only includes the NVR and IP cameras. If you do want to access it remotely it has to be connected to the internet, and it's unlikely anyone will ever hack it and view your cameras, as long as it has an internet connection it isn't 100% safe from being accessed.
There have already been many cases of law enforcement getting warrants to access citizen's camera footage without their knowledge. One article I read said that the police knew a man was using Ring cameras inside his home, and they got a warrant to access all of his footage directly from Amazon without even notifying him. And there are other such cases of people's Amazon and ring accounts being hacked and letting unwanted eyes to watch them directly through their cameras.
The Government and hackers can tap into anything now. You should not put them up in the 1st place we need freedom and privacy not living life on cameras like a science project.
Who would want a nvr? I guess thier okay with it because they have to agree to their constantly evolving privacy policy, which undoubtedly has legal jargon most people don't understand or even read that they are allowing their video, 24/7 to be shared with and sold to 3rd parties. No thanks. I'm going caveman, with a cctv system. I don't mind pain of routing wires, who would want their private life exposed, constantly, alk the while that data is being sold , and used to train their models...blah blah blah , and they are paying for it themselves! I say pay me and I will send you a video. I'm not falling for it and all these apps replacing the internet are violating our 4th ammendment right to be free from unnecessary search and seizure. Google sux , TH-cam algorithm is like an obsessed ex lover. And my Mac g4 desktop computer 20 years ago was less glitchy, more intuitive and faster then my new Samsung phone, all those billions of transistors , it's a fact , it loses its connection 20-30 times a day. It's all breaking down man
These are some of the best tutorials I've seen on any subject. Excellent work!
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IP is certainly not without it's quirks. In multiscreen live view via a local monitor (usually above quad screen) most will only display sub stream, whereas a DVR will display in main stream in multiscreen in 4/8/16/32/64 way. Also as you mentioned, accessing the IP cameras web front end remotely can be tricky when they are powered from the NVR's POE ports. however, most manufacturers have ports that can be opened in the router to allow the internal porting from LAN side to the relevant POE port, it can be buggy but it can save a site visit.
My old DVR finally quit, but it ran and never dropped a camera. While, my NVR-IP camera's dropped all the time, always a nightmare. My NVR just blew up, lighting strike and I ordered another hoping for better connectivity and less dropped camera's with this newer unit. I will say looking at a 4k picture is vastly better than Analog.
There is 4k video DVR's as well. IP cameras are not as good as Analog HD. Sure I have many NVR's and DVR's in my life. Mostly because I do Tech Support and how can someone offer advice of something you don't own. So with that said. People Pushing POE NVR's over a DVR is Just Dumb lol. 1 cable LOL. really Siamese cable is 1 cable as well lol.. My DVR's works better then any NVR I own and my most Costly NVR is almost 500 without a HDD. My 16ch DVR from same company less then 1/2 that and does better to the second footage. IP camera and Analog HD camera in same area of the road, The NVR lags about 500ms behind the Analog camera. What I mean is looking at a road cars going from left to right or right to left. I can see the footage in the DVR before it shows in the NVR. PTZ, audio, Video and power down 1 cable in my DVR just the same as my NVR. Also having to reset the NVR you have to setup all cameras again. In a DVR you Reset the DVR and cameras come back online as they are connected. Only have to setup Detection zones and recording. NVR you have to Device Search, setup, change pass, then setup what ever might not have been pulled from the cameras setup and still have to setup Recording types.. Now I will admit AI camera on my AI NVR is faster to setup then on my AI DVR. Because the AI camera NVR pulls data from camera. AI DVR I have to setup the Events. However it is still Faster to setup a DVR over a NVR AI or Not..
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Make sure to use a surge protector and a UPS.
Same. I just went back to analogue for just that reason. The ip cams kept dropping and would even require a reboot sometimes. So yep. Theyre all in the trash now and ive gone back to analogue.
Excellent presentation with all necessary details that a novice needs to know. With this knowledge I'm very confident I can buy, install, and configure a DVR camera system. Thank you!
just got a dvr system yesterday and i dont think id regret it
Analog systems are still widely used to this day! You may look into running cat cable w/ baluns instead of siamese so you have the potential to upgrade to an IP system down the road.
Modern tech is so very often voodoo. Not here, clear outline and explanation of the two alternatives. Just what I needed, Excellent thank you.
One thing you forgot to mention in the favor of the coax cameras is the far increased distances that you can run the camera cabling while still having it home run to the DVR and also not having to deal with baluns. You can get 4k UHD cameras in coax as well as IP, but if you are working in larger buildings you don't have to worry as much about cable length limitations.
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Add switches. Eliminates distance issues.
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It would be nice if you would mention at least once what all those initials stand for like you did at the beginning with NVR & DVR. Just for the 1 or 2 newbies here. Maybe a legend naming all the abbreviations. Thanx for your time and video.
Sorry for the confusion! Maybe we'll publish a "Video Surveillance Dictionary of Terms" on our website soon! Thanks for the idea.
I'm totally sold on IP cameras. Configuration is usually easier (many have their own built in web interfaces you can use instead of fidgeting with OSD menus), you don't have to special order cables like you do with analog cameras (you can get Ethernet cables just about anywhere), I've personally found analog cables to be unreliable/poor quality, you don't have to order power supplies separately for the most part (other than maybe buying a PoE switch), there is added convenience of being able to link into your home network with a PoE switch when convenient to do so, ethernet is less bandwidth constrained (I can configure my IP cameras for higher FPS at the same resolution), and at least as far as I've experienced, there are no or far less issues with noise/interference requiring additional hardware like ground loop isolators when using IP cameras. I currently use a "pentabrid" Hanwha Techwin DVR with both analog and IP cameras, but from here forward, I will only add IP cameras and slowly retire the analog ones.
Very well said! How are you liking your Hanwha products? We just recently started carrying Hanwha, and we plan to expand our product line over time. Let us know if there's anything specific you're looking for and we can help you out.
Thanks for your teaching. From Ethiopia.
No one ever mentions the hassle with DVR systems that the connectors in the back for the coax cables are so close together it makes it a pain in the arse to troubleshoot issues by swapping channels and cameras etc.
I have the same question please
True as that may be annoying but with nvr if a camera goes out and you replace it you will need a computer for the ip address rather the analog it’s just a simple swap
I like the DVR. No reliance on internet. It's a contained system that nobody can hack and even if everything but the power grid fails it'll still be working. Even then you could always use a generator or solar. I don't like the shift toward cloud based or internet based stuff. Someone could hold your recordings hostage or spy on you or hack your cameras and other nefarious things.
Edit: AND NO SUBSCRIPTION.
I have the LOREX NVR system,and I don't rely on the internet/cloud. I just simply don't use an Ethernet wire from the NVR to the router. I just use it locally or closed circuit. Not hackable.
It has a 3 terabyte hard drive for storage that is also expandable by adding another hard drive inside and use them in tandem. One 3 tb hard drive at the highest 4k resolution gives me roughly 2 weeks and 2 days worth of recording ability,but before it loops and records over the beginning of your surveillance,you can save clips of video to a flash drive.
doesnt matter, air gap system are still hackable
@@TheJovins how?
I also like the DVR, I've got some annoying siblings who always, ALWAYS get into my stuff and take things like money. But we don't have good internet where I live so a DVR and being totally offline is the best way for me to make sure my family stays out of my business
@@AmixLiark He's just venting hot air.
I'm a total beginner with no experience in CCTV systems and intend to setup one. Thanks for revealing that there exist different types. What I would like to know is how to setup an NVR without needing a HDMI screen and doing everything on a mobile phone. Is it possible?
Just exactly the video i need to decide which system to get! Thanks bro!
Thank you, for making everything so clear. Set it up, with no trouble. 👍
Nice bit of info! We have a new install to do at a Surgery, we've always in the past installed DVRs but after watching this, we will definitely be installing an NVR system.
Thank you for explaining the difference...very helpful.
Hi Tyler.......thank you for educating me, really appreciate it , now I know the difference, and it helps me to make the right choice between the two.......thanks again!!.......doug
Probably the best video I've ever seen, I understood everything he said
Thanks for watching! Glad it was helpful.
I have a single wide mobile home in the western NC mountains. Being a very security conscious guy, and due to recent theft on property, I am looking for the best system to use. Trying to stay wireless mainly due to disabilities, yay for old age. Ring seems to be a very close fit, but I saw a review on them and it didn't look good, compared to about 6 others. My strategy (outdoors) is to have 5 cameras, two flood lights with cameras, a two way door bell, and 3 interior cameras that you can rotate, tilt, etc.
I have mainly raccoons, bear, skunk, possums, and very rarely deer that visit. So I don't want to be jumping 20 times a day, if that sort of thing can be avoided.
I had a driveway sensor that worked perfectly in alerting me of visitors when there, but until recently, someone decided to steal. My closest neighbor is roughly 1/4 mile, and I don't think the bear ate it! This is what has pushed me to seek a decent security system, that won't break the old man bank.
I would like also to have the ability to record 24/7, and somehow the software can take me directly to detections, if that exists.
The ring system keeps dragging me in, but reviews are saying no. Don't mean to bother you sir, and I have no idea where you're at, but if you could point to a system that will put these idiots behind bars, I'd appreciate it! Thank you sir.
Hey Dan, thanks for the comment!
I would advise reaching out to our sales guys and they can put together the proper system that meets your needs -> customerservice@nellyssecurity.com / 855-340-9999
What did you end up doing? I have relatively the same scenario myself.
Excellent video and explanations. Keep these videos coming!
I have an HD -SDI system which is about 5-6 years old.
Was thinking of swapping out 4 x cameras/ DVR to a POC SPRO 4K system.
Still analogue but would give me 4 times the clarity of my 2MP cameras with the same wiring
Braaaah. Thank you so much for taking the time and effort to produce this awesome video
I am interested in knowing the processor type and processor speed on all NVRs and how much memory the NVR has, so I can compare processing and memory capabilities of NVRs when deciding which to purchase.
I would also like to know the user interface software on various NVRs so I can compare capabilities of the software.
If you could make videos or give a link to this type of info that would be great.
Great teaching we use both depending what we see on the customers table all is well come
NVR all the way but I still update old DVRs occasionally
IP system is my preference. Great thanks for your explanation.
More expensive
I have an older Zmodo NVR system and I'm able to view each camera through the Zmodo app on my smartphone.
Well explained, thank you.
Surely IP cams with POE installation are futurestic.
From the sounds of it the DVR's are for the really independent at heart ..... And I'm. For it
this was a good introduction to surveillance in general. thanks.
I was wondering if there was a way to virtualize NVR instead of buying the hardware?
surveillance virtualisation could be an awesome video.
Thanks!
There are some 3rd party recorder software that can be ran on PC's, but nothing that 100% imitates an existing NVR interface to my knowledge!
Thanks you so much, you give me the best what's I looking for!!
I am still waiting after 4yrs to buy my setup. PURCHASE WILL BE THIS YEAR!
Both cameras stream live directly onto the recorders. Only analog videos converted to digital video format by DVR, but videos that are captured by the IP camera don’t need to convert into digital format, because IP cameras have the capability of capturing the video and converting them directly into digital format before it passes to the NVR. That’s where the 4K/8K video comes from. The DVR recorder cannot upscale analog video captured by an analog camera and upscale the analog video into 4K digital format. Whereas the NVR doesn’t need to upscale videos captured by IP camera, because IP camera already is capable of capturing 4K videos. Therefore NVR streams live 4K footage whereas DVR has to take its time to convert the analog video into digital video. You can also see the lapse of time when you’re watching the videos from both systems. DVR doesn’t sync with the real time footage. You can see the actual recording lapses in 3-4 seconds from output timing. With DVR recording you’d be crossing the street and already on the south side of the street, but the live stream shows as if you’re still on the north side of the street.
I haven't had one bad issue with my setup from Nelly's. They have great customer service.
This is a good video intro for beginners.. nice breakdown
If I had a camera in a field and there was a internet connection in the field. Could I put the camera in the field and have the NVR at a different location. And still access the camera via an app away from it. ??
On same property yes. If you mean 2 separate properties prob yes but would need a link between
So with the network camera it relies on your wifi and a wifi cable can easily be cut or disconnected to shut down the system. Id stick with the wired system
Nicely done, Tyler!
What's the easiest system to set up that can have the video feeds hardwired to the recorder, can have PTZ cameras, doesn't involve a lot of complicated "network" skills, and definitely doesn't involve the use of a cellphone in any way, shape or form?
Very cool watching this video, thanks for the info!
Great tutorial I need to buy just a nerd DVR. My Q-see DVR stop working. It’s not recording any more. I just need a new DVR.
Any word of advice anyone Please
( I don’t want to buy a Q-See DVR )
Can a buy a different brand and use the Q-see cameras. This a 20 year old system (original Q-See )
NVR = you can route data to anywhere on your network for storage. DVR has storage built in.
In case of NVR, should the system be always online. What happens if there’s no internet, would the video recording be still going on. Thanks
hi, can you explain the camera it is working till i have broadband internet, once i unplug cable from computer, it stop revording, not even letting view video on my phone, or if plug still in computer, but turn off broadband router, it stopped working camera, so camera will work only if i have broadband internet? without internet - i need NVR box recoder correct? any explanation will help me, i want instal in my car on the roof. with second battery.
thank you
Hello, if you disconnect an internet connection to the camera, it will not be able to talk to the outside world. It would only be viewable locally in that scenario.
The system must have an internet connection to view remotely.
I like DVR it doesn't need net for recording !👋🌹🙏
Great video, very informative - thanks for your effort
IPCameras only for very long time. And I don't even use dedicated NVR. Instead I connect my existing NAS to securily store the recordings.
This is really good brother
Thanx just setting up.I'm lost
Which has better video results? Which has cheaper setup? Which has average most powerful and optional cameras to choose from?😊
Ip cameras are great and have there pros.. but the updated analog cameras are pretty dang good the cameras are cheaper on average and don’t have to worry about cable limitations of course there’s stuff for that in ip cameras but that’s one more thing you got to buy. Also the set up on ip cameras are more complex and also require a computer to setup everything. With analog of a camera goes out all you do is replace it and it’s working like new. If a Ip camera goes out you would need that computer again for the new camera due to the ip address. Over and all I say if you can afford it go right ahead but I recommend analog cameras due to you still see 1080p and some 4k for alot cheaper and easier instal including if one goes out
God Bless you kind Sir! Analog it will be.
I really like Tyler's videos!
Nice vídeo, dude.
Very helpful video, thanks,,,,,,,,,,,,,
The NVR will pick up the data transmitted from the cameras and store the videos to the hard drive even without Internet connection.
Correct!
Omg thank u thats what I've been needing to know but no one would straight out say it I've been searching far and wide for this one statement
I just needed to know can I get video recordings stored even when the internet fails
@@NellysSecurity thanks for confirming this information 😁
Awesome video
Hey which application can I use on my laptop to view my cameras online while not on the same network
im confused
Fr bro yapping computers
You’re not alone.🤔🤔🤔
The main difference between NVR and DVR is how they process video data. DVR systems process the video data at the recorder, whereas NVR systems encode and process the video data at the camera. The NVR is for IP camera recording and the DVR is for analog or coax-based camera recording.
The best I can make this is to think of a NVR as a NAS where you have several PCs hooked up to it all at one time and can read/write data to it all at one time. An NVR is similar to a NAS cause each cameras processes and encodes their own signals before sending them, thus the cameras are like many PCs hooked to the NVR and sending their signals all at one time. A DVR has to take the analog single from each camera and process and encode it itself to show you the digital video, thus making it like the "middle man" and must be connected to each camera. Man I'm sorry this is long, but I hope that helps yall🤣 I know how it works, its just hard to spit it out
FYI a camera(ip camera) for an NVR doesn't nessesarly have to be hooked directly to the back of the NVR like a DVR analog camera (analog camera) has to cause the DVR is the needed middle man to process and encode the analog signal...an IP camera can actually be hooked to a router and as long as the NVR is connected to the same router/network, the signal from the IP camera can still make it's way to the NVR to be able to show on your monitor cause it processes and encodes its own signal...it being an IP camera, there are more ways to use it, even without the NVR as the NVR is literally like a NAS and just stores the data for you to view when needed, but you have to know what you're doing🤣
Hi. I have analog cameras with the DVR system. Cameras are plugged in but do not show up on the system or the screen. I would like to troubleshoot what could be causing this. Thank you.
Are the cameras on the screen black or does it say video loss? If black then there’s a small reset hole on the back of dvr box put a needle and push and hold for 10 secs and let go might here a beeping sound and screen will blank as it resets back to factory mines did this and it worked
I've got an older H264 DVR with existing cables laid - Can I replace a couple front cams with PTZ w optical zoom? will DVR accept the format or is better to replace and fit existing hard drive to a H265 or H266 if exists?
Do the NVRs rely on internet bandwidth to power the cameras? Does having a slow internet affect the quality of video?
Not really. If there's a bottleneck in the local network and the cameras are on a switch it can sometimes cause issues but those situations are rare and if its plugged directly into the back of the NVR then there shouldn't be any issues at all
i bought set of dvr . im gonna return. no audio. lag signals. will go with nvr
Hey I have a question just saw this video. I have a dvr connected every thing like it said but my TV says mode not supported! Any suggestions
Can a DVR disk be planted inside of someone's dashboard?
Cost of cables comparison? , and not clear if using an NVR you still need extra power for your cameras.
Thank you
Good info.
I have a Lorex 4K DVR and I want to record videos and control everything from my laptop and save those videos. But I don't need a WiFi router. Can I do that without WiFi-router?
It would be nice to explain what the acronyms mean. You can't take it for granted that everyone knows.
I have a small 800sqft mom pop convenient store with 4 pumps in exterior. My old dvr analogue went out again. I am thinking I would like to try the nvr set up.
Does the video stream record into a harddrive right there in the box just as the DVR does? When there is a police office we always make a copy of the incident on a flash plug from the DVR. Will that be the same? If not how is that accomplished. If the Poe nvr is connected to the router will we be able to search and record incidents or just view the stream? What are my options? Also would we be able to scale up to add one or two cameras to cover ATM machine?
Oh and buy the poe cameras and cables.
I will have to do this myself. Is there good tech support to guide and answer questions?On a budget and need 8 cameras.
Can i install an 8MB camera along with lower brands like 5MB cameras in the same network and the same NVR ?
Thanks man. Needed this.
Glad we could help!
We have DVR and IP st our work facility.
I have a DVR system at home... plan to purchase 16ch 8 camera NVR soon.
That will be an excellent upgrade for your home system. If you have any questions or want to learn about our products, reach out to us! customerservice@nellysecurity.com, 855-340-9999
Great teaching
Correct me if I'm wrong but if you don't connect a dvr to your network doesn't that mean that it can't be remote hacked and someone would have to have physical access to the cable or dvr? From what I've read that's the biggest benefit of dvr over nvr
DVR's & NVR's both need a network connection for remote viewing.
Also, both types do have physical access as well via HDMI interface.
True professional...
Thanks for this! 😀
I have a Q-See unit and it's alarming ... do you have any suggestions? Be nice now!
Very informative indeed. I want to know could i use a DVR setup for a church setup to feed into OBS ? ALTERNATIVELY did you do a video sendind a multicam Dvr feed into OBS?
Will either system, DVR or NVR still operate without internet connection?
I'm little lost here. So both NVR AND DVR systems need cables that need to be routed in the Attic and behind drywall ? It seems in this video to me like NVR still needs cat5 cables with eop switches and extenders and DVR is coax cables instead per the video I don't see cost savings for electricians labor since cable is cable.
For a DVR setup, direct connection to the camera is required for video. The camera also needs a power connection. So you would run a siamese cable from the camera (connected to video and to power) to the DVR, connect video to the DVR, then connect power to a power supply. That's one cable run for each camera, 4 terminated connections (2 DC pigtails, 2 BNC), and an additional power supply.
For an NVR setup, direct connection to the camera is not required. For a simple 4-8 channel system, you can run a single Cat5e cable from the NVR to directly to the camera. This would be a single cable run per camera and two terminated connections (RJ45), and no additional power supply. Already there is material and labor savings, since Cat5e requires less terminations and is easier to terminate.
But this setup isn't required, especially if you have many cameras or great distances to cover. All that an NVR system needs to function is network connectivity. You can have PoE switches located around your property, allowing you to run shorter cables to your cameras instead of having to run the cables to the NVR. You can also use devices like the IPCamPower splitter/combiner to install two cameras on one long cable run, cutting your labor in half essentially.
In a nutshell, IP camera systems are much more flexible, easier, and faster to install. With one or two cameras you might not notice a huge difference. But as your systems grow, the time and labor you'll save will be more significant.
I'm thinking of going from the harbor freight 1080p system to the 4k system because I'm hoping that when I zoom in for example i can still see a license plate with the 4k but the current 1080p get to pixelated you cannot even make out a person let alone a plate. any thoughts on this..are my expectations correct?
You'll definitely get much more detail with a 4K system. These cameras are great for zooming in to see more details. But we also have a dedicated license plate camera if you're interested in checking that out: www.nellyssecurity.com/unv-fullhd-1080p-at-60fps-anpr-license-plate-recognition-lpr-weatherproof-bullet-ip-security-camera-with-a-4-7-47mm-motorized-lens-hc121atts8cr-z.html
Thanks .
Hi we use both nvr and Dvr
For recording NVR has hard desk as well ? , thanks in afvance
Hi how long a cable can I use to the camera on both the dvr and nvr Great videos keep up the great work
About 700 feet for the analog coax cable (but this can be extended with video baluns), and about 300 feet for the IP PoE Ethernet cables (but this can be extended with PoE injectors and extenders)
I guess you have to run cable for each camera to the dvr or nvr. I was wondering if you can run wiring from camera to camera (like electric lights) with one cable coming into the house.
Nope it doesn't work like that unfortunately! Although you can get creative with PoE switches, repeaters, splitter/combiners in order to minimize the number of home runs you need to lay.
I’ve installed jovision up cams but some of them aren’t working. Can the distance between the cameras and the nvr be a reason?
maybe issue with the network cables
How to record
I have a DVR and after renovations of the house I paid a company to run the cables to the new location of my box and they ran Cat5 cables to my existing cameras and box that used to use my nbc cables and then used adapters so now I have a huge mess of cables and adapters behind my tv unit where my box is and it’s a mess.
That can allow you to swap out the cameras and recorder to an IP system down the line. Giving it more flexibility on futureproofing.
I would have advised putting the system in a separate cabinet or room so it is not in the way!
I have Lorex that are failing each and every damn day. I've litterly called daily for a long time and unfortunately never got help. I'm just fed up with them. I do like the options these have and that's it.
Whats best as far as dome and the others?
I'm shopping for a better security camera system. Just really don't know what's actually awesome and that'll actually do their job.
Been looking into montavue, GW security, CCTV or Hiseeu. I want excellent night vision.
We'd be happy to help! We carry Uniview, Hanwha, and R-Series (OEM Raysharp). Can't go wrong with any of them. Feel free to browse our site and let us know if you have any questions! www.nellysseurity.com
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Can I network an external poe switch to the internal nvr switch?
and connect ip cameras to the external switch, that will be given ip addresses from the nvr internal switch as if i connected those cameras directly to the nvr internal switch?
Yes
Dvr analog systems can run without internet.If you live in a remote or not so remote but a farm with satellite Internet believe me you want an analog system or a hybrid .
I am still running coax cables just bc I have a trauma from the time I lived with satellite internet.🙄
Hi guy, new to your channel and I have a question. I have flir cameras with a Samsung nvr, my question is if they will work together?
Thank you
So right now i am working far away but i can still view my home, my family with the cctv through my cp without worrying the recordings because of my dvr is hiding secretly. So as you said nvr cannot be viewed through cp so why then you said that nvr is the future?
Starting from scratch . Which kind of Ethernet wire.? The Cat 6 or 7 ?
Cat6a
Dear sir,
i need to confirm Safevant DVR can work any type of Analog camera .Please explain which type of analog camera can work of this Safevant dvr .
Hello,
You would need to check the DVRs spec sheet on what analog cameras it supports. Or contact the manufacturer. Since we do not carry Safevant systems, we do not have any info on them sadly.
is the picture of an 8mp poe the same quality as an 8 mp threw 75 ohm coax?