Wrestling & Boxing or BJJ & Muay Thai?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 พ.ค. 2024
- Q&A about wrestling vs jiu-jitsu , and Boxing vs Muay Thai
Shanghai based MMA Coach and Kunlun Fight Combat League ringside commentator Ramsey Dewey answers questions from the viewers.
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Nate diaz said it best
"You jiujitsu guys needah learn how to box" .. lol
Nate needs to do a little Muay Thai too as we have all seen his leg get destroyed due to his boxing stance.
@@DragonSlayer-tg5mk I bet you hes trained that in his time off
Don't be so sensitive Espada kurosaki! I like Nate and always root for him against Conor. I just don't want to see him lose again to leg kicks as it's quite painful to watch. And it's Dickhead, not dickhed.
I'll give ya that one Pusfase. He definitely needs to be more active. I think with all the money he made from the Conor fights he doesn't have as much financial motivation to fight more often.
@Espada kurosaki hes probably to busy getting stoned as fuck hahaha
Jiu jitsu skills and Wrestling skills are mandatory
But Dewey's shirt is absolutely not
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Fabrobin , agree. Lol
Lmaoooooo this is the best comment I've seen
Hes actually wearing a camo t-shirt
So is the hair on the head...
'World class performances are just the fundamentals executed to their full potential'
jimmy alderson underrated saying.
Absolutely
This seems to apply to a ton of different things. I'm a drummer. Most professional drummers play simple stuff. They just play it really well.
The Raff i always say "i dont care if im a good drummer i just want it to sound good"
@@jammatati3844 excellent way of putting it
Aikido and nothing else because it’s just the best martial art.
You can take out multiple opponents who are bigger than you at once, even without touching them.
Praise the lord Steven Segal and the world is flat!
Lol
Hahahahahahha
Atomrofl42 oh lol I thought you were serious for a sec
Stop lying LMAO
quality shitpost right there
Ramsey always sounds like Agent Smith telling Morpheus that he wants to escape the Matrix lol
You think thats air your breathing??
it can not be unheard
Yes
😂 😂 God I can't stop hearing it now
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One add for wrestling + boxing is the synergy between the two. They both perform at the same range, boxing helps to disguise shots or freeze some one when you level change and the body mechanics of a wrestling shot and a over hand right are nearly indistinguishable while the proper defenses are nearly opposite. The shot Khabib landed on Conor is one of the most clean examples, you can even see Conor begin to move his legs back to begin a sprawl leaving him exposed and unable to avoid a lead power shot, without the wrestling threat that should never really land.
Total agreement. I started out in muay thai and it never felt great trying to blend in wrestling because - standing high with weight on back foot. In boxing you can crouch a little forward and change levels for both strikes and shots and it also makes it easier to defend/sprawl. I way prefer boxing for mma now with wrestling and some counters for kicks. Obv this is just preference but I feel like it you want to do muay thai in mma you better be comfortable on your back!
Thank you for putting into words my thoughts. Boxing + wrestling is like peanut butter and jelly. Muay Thai and Bjj is like burger and fries.
They’re both good combos but some just sticks together better.
It's because both come from the western tradition of fighting. The ancient Olympics included boxing, wrestling, and Pankration ("All-powers").
A modern rendition of Pankration would look something like:
Boxing + Greco-Roman Wrestling + Freestyle wrestling + Catch wrestling.
Boxing + other strike for striking;
Greco-Roman Wrestling for upper-body clinch control;
Freestyle wrestling for lower body attacks;
Catch wrestling for ground work, submissions, and hooks (joint breaks).
All of the above constitute a coherent framework for close quarters combat.
All styles have limitations. If everyone in MMA becomes Muay Thai/BJJ hybrids, then someone will watch and develop a style that will exploit those weaknesses. it is Mixed Martial Arts. And most modern martial arts offer something to the MMA fighter. As Bruce Lee said: "Be like water. Without form..:.
"Formless, shapeless, like water..."
Be vodka my frien
@@goldanimal3931 Nay, Scotch.
My new style will beat them all. I call it American Martial Arts. It is an art that can be used close up or at a range. The way it works is you just shoot them.
@@johnfingkennedy1091lol unless he's a trained marine or navy seal
it took ramsey 8 minutes to explain a phrase that's very common in gaming: "the meta of the game changed"
I have not heard that phrase before. How long did it take you to learn what it meant?
it means that somebody found a new way to play the game that is clearly superior to the previous way of playing the game and it's not a variation or an iteration of the previous way of playing the game, but you have to see it happening with pros or be proficient in the game and suddenly be beaten by people with this new method to get it
Ramsey Dewey, you catch on quick In gaming, regarding what that phrase means. The "meta game" is the game around or above the game. The overarching "rules" or trends, which affects the way the game is played optimally.
It happens in gaming fairly often, a meta change. Someone discovers or develops a tool or technique that drastically affects how everyone must play the game, if they want to win.
In the beginning of this upsetting Meta change, people who know the new way might have great success, and others might rush to emulate them. But, as time passes people catch on to this new way of playing, the new strategy, and they develop defenses or even counters to it. And after a little while of upheaval the game will stabilize into a new meta, a new norm, with the new tools intigrated.
"Meta" also stands for "Most Effective Tactic Available". So yeah, the META always changes as soon as someone comes up with something that can beat the current META (with a delay, of course).
Ramsey Dewey Touche !
ZUMBA.
One of my fighters is actually a Zumba instructor on the side. This made my day.
you should make a zumba vs mma video just to make things clear :)
no offense - zumba is a great thing !
#gastank
Zumba all day
LOOOOOL!!
"what is the advanced stuff? it is fundamentals done really well"
damn that's great
Boxing and wrestling compliment each other very well. The transition is easy, and they don't interfere with each other from my experience. In a street altercation if everything goes to the fan, the physicality, and practicality of boxing/wrestling will be very useful.
Just stumbled across this guy, watched a few videos. I like what he is saying, but mostly, he just seems like a good dude to get a beer with.
He is a pious man so I get the feeling he does not drink.
dfpguitar He is a Mormon and a serious athlete. Two reasons why he doesn’t drink.
@@royaltoadclub8322 Yea we don't drink, happy to come with friends who do tho! be the driver, make sure they dont kill each other, also laughing at everything with them is always a blast
Even better cos I don't think he drinks... cheap rounds and he can drive you home
Root beer. Or milk. 😁
I used a mix of boxing and wrestling when I worked as a bouncer. It worked quite well. But it helps to learn certain things like low kicks or teep.
this is what Im saying, boxing and wrestling with low kicks and teeps is the most deadly combination
@@isndikdiw777 literally just muy Thai and wrestling
Really? Hopefully just the footwork and evasion from boxing...striking in that job outside of dire circumstances can get you in all kinds of legal and financial trouble. At least these days...back in the 80s it was a different ballgame I'm told
@@richievro do Muay Thai once a week and BJJ once a week and you are a total beast that wins 95 % of confrontations
Then add Hapkido or Muay Thai.
Wrestle first. You will get in great shape, get really strong and tough, and be really flexible and dynamic. Wrestling is basic, effective, and learning to use great leverage. Then learn to box. You will get good footwork, hand-eye coordination, accuracy, but most importantly the eyes. If you get good enough to see combinations coming and read hands flying everything is will seem slow. Plus you will increase your range and angles of attack when closing in to wrestle. Next start on muay thai. This will further increase your range, make you even more dynamic, and build your legs. With these tools you will can bridge from legs, to hands, to grapples. Plus you will learn to clinch wrestle with elbows, knees, sweeps, and takedowns. If course you will have already experienced some of this rant when boxing. You will also gain new levels of balance and timing while working with kicks. Finally learn both Japanese and Brazilian jujitsu. Or just learn judo where you will get a healthy mix of throws, locks, and floor techniques. I agree with Mr. Dewey in that you do not have to master them all but it would be wise to master one. Pick one to be your core. Then you will be able to tac the other skills onto that core. EXAMPLE: If you like boxing and you box well, you may learn to wrestle well enough to stay on your feet, learn enough bjj or judo to protect yourself get up and get away should you be taken down, and kick to increase your range to both lead up into your hands and still have the ability to strike your opponent as they try to get out of range of your hands.
This is it. Wrestling/boxing/Muay Thai/judo will bring you as close to being complete as you can get. The strength, the hands, the legs, the throws/holds.
The crazy spinning back kicks and twister submissions are the exceptions to the rules. A solid 1-2 ends TONS of fights and the classic RNC ends TONS of fights. Fundamentals win the vast majority of fights; the really crazy shit is rare for a reason.
believe it or not I have an easier time setting up a Twister then I do a RNC heh. neither are go-to for me tho
But I want to see that Boyka shit, man ;)
Proper old school Vale Tudo Bjj, is takedown, mount, strike until opponent gives up their back, RNC or Armbar
in the old school much of the time you may have been fighting someone with very little grappling skill making things easier.
Fantastic comment sir. You know your stuff.
The first Mixed Martial arts was Marco Ruas UFC 7 Champ. He is the father of MMA, he came from the Vale Tudo days in Brazil. Since a teenager much before UFC was born he wanted to be a well rounded fighter. His philosophy was “If you wanna grapple I’m gonna punch and kick and If you wanna strike I’m gonna grapple”. This man deserves credit for the sport that we all love and more fans should know about him!
Yeah, "vale tudo" literally means "everything allowed" in portuguese
I've met him personally. He can still kick your ass ( mine as well)
I had 7 years of solid karate technique and 3-4 of actual sparring and combat experience. I thought I was invincible. Then I was introduced to Historical European/Western Martial Arts and I saw just how varied a fighter needs to be to truly be effective. Ringen was was developed, like Jiujitsu, to kill people. Thus, it had so many different and varied techniques. Then I saw the guys doing BJJ, Muay Thai and it really opened my eyes. Variety is the spice of life, as they say. It’s also the best way to defeat an opponent.
It all applies assuming "7 years of solid karate techique". Without single solid base.... one becomes 'man of ten thousand kicks'.
Ringen was a sport too! Not just a combat grappling art. Just like folk wrestling styles all over the world, it was widely popular and practiced as a de-facto 'national' sport, both recreationally and competitively.
God bless you though for being one of the smaller parts of the HEMA community that practices applied grappling with their fencing. It's something that gets lost in a lot of schools in favour of olympic style point fencing.
As Lichtenhaueur and the Ott Judd say - wrestling (i.e. grappling) is the base of all fencing!
Boxing and Wrestling is my cup of tea. Of course i would wanna mix Muay Thai and BJJ into my arsenal as well. Probably in the near future, for self defense of course.
Joshua Kelly is this really josh kelly?
Joshua Kelly yo josh, keep up the good work. U got skills bro ☝️🏾🥊
I realize that the question is probably assuming pure bjj but really most if not all bjj schools teach wrestling. I can't imagine doing them separately. Everyone doing bjj should focus on wrestling at least one day a week.
Big fan!
Scary Skillz, teach takedowns for an everyday context, anything high level it's not good enough you need a dedicated coach for each: striking, grappling and bjj.
Regarding Advanced BJJ by Marcelo Garcia... You reminded me about a lesson I learned as a child playing billiards. It's stuck with me for decades. Even though I don't shoot pool anymore, it applies to many things in life. It was explained to me that the best billiards players aren't the guys who made the fancy bank shots , combos, and crazy trick shots. The best and most amazing players were the guys who made it so that each of their next shots was a simple one.
Dang, that's a good one lol.
this guy is a philosopher. He said position is the most important. Get into Position then attack...that applies to everything in life
Or as scouts call it, final firing position.
Its from the art of war. Give it a read
That's good advice. You need to become a Jack of all trades, master of ONE!
Superb advice.
Yet you can find idiotic “mma” guys saying Kudo sucks for that very reason. You know, the second mma style after vale tudo, which isn’t an art.
@Tai Lopez Jack of all trades*
@Tai Lopez decent at all, but really proficient in one thing. That's what it means
@@CriticallyGnart or is "Jack of all trades, master of none." better
I think that wrestling is the best secondary skill for anyone to learn since it controls the transitions. Striker? wrestling will teach you to stuff take downs and how to stand up. Grappler? Wrestling will teach you to take someone down and keep them there.
True wrestling is king.
Agreed. I just wish it was possible to get wrestling experience outside of high school and college.
It still is. Find out who coaches wrestling at your local university and ask if they'll train you, or know somebody who can. There's no such thing as a college wrestling coach that has enough money.
Wrestling is the best base.
Generally I do agree, having a good wrestling foundation myself. What he says here is very true however. I roll with friends that are BJJ practitioners and even though my wrestling is far better than theirs my lack of knowledge in BJJ has many times caused me to find myself in an arm bar or what have you. Expanding my knowledge of BJJ is crucial if for no other reason the defense against it.
Boxers are like hand surgeons,mma is a general practitioner,no one will ever be as good with hands same as the others in different ways,but these four are the base of mma.
Fedor said Boxing and Wrestling are best for beginners. Also more than half of the UFC champions are wrestlers. Wrestling is the best base then everything comes after. A wrestler controls where the fight takes place.
Yeah, I can honestly say I have never seen a high school or college wrestler lose a street fight. Considering most street fighters are haymaker throwing putzes with no training in any discipline, it makes perfect sense.
@@Slickmickyoyo97 as a former high school/college wrestler, I can confirm that from experience.
@@Slickmickyoyo97 Those are some pretty polite street fighters to not use bats or superior numbers.
and also judo
Greenfield121 not if u can’t land that take down
im in Brazilian jiu jitsu and muay thai
That's awesome! Keep it up
Silver Paws Smart man
At the same time? Because I want to know if you can do both at the same time
Joshua Gregoire you probably can, they dont really conflict. Its not like taking boxing and muay thai. Ones grappling the others striking
TeenageMutantNinjaNigga have you trained in both?
I love how you said "fight for the position." I watched it until the end. I appreciate your honesty and humility.
Look into BJ Penn in his prime. Started with boxing and then learned bjj. World class fighter. Very hard to take down and had great hands.
A striking art and a ground fighting art that is suited to you.
Hmmmmmmmm
Going to be the first MMA champion using Savate and Aikido.
@@gorkyd7912 ahahahahaahahahahabab.
@@gorkyd7912 ewwww
In the age of MMA, fighters shouldn't study styles but techniques and compose a style of their own from those techniques they've learned. While Boxing and Wrestling or Muay Thai and BJJ could form a solid base, the Boxer/Wrester would be vulnerable to kicks, the clinch and have a worse bottom game and the Nak Muay/BJJ would be vulnerable to punches, the double/single leg and have a worse top game. Very few arts, or even a combination of two arts have everything you will need to compete in MMA because those arts were conceived of as sports within another rules set.
Not necessarily vulnerable to punches tho
@@ancientdarkness3102 against the punches of a boxer, yes
@@isndikdiw777 there are pretty good boxers in muay thai so as I said, non necessarily
@@ancientdarkness3102 Do you mean that by good footwork, head movement, punches? Because that's just both boxing and muay thai at that point, thaist have shit stance.
@@Youreanahole thai stance is more versatile than you think, there have been and there are still great punchers in muay thai from thailand, I could make you a list. (Buakaw just won a match in bare knuckle boxing by the way) and even those who don't know how to punch that well have many ways to counter pure boxers, with the clinch kicks elbows and teeps
I see most people are comparing style vs style, excluding different styles. MMA means including all styles, or more exactly take techniques from whatever style that works for each person. After all, we are all individuals. Don't let style boundries lock down the mind.
Go back to ur akaido/Tai chi gym lol
I'm glad i found your channel. I appreciate your honesty. 20 minutes well spent.
Always a great perspective. I feel like i learn more from this channel than any other. Some guys get deep into technique (fighttips) some are just fun (sensei seth) but this channel gets so deep into the philosophy and logic of martial arts.
My man did 7 years of Taekwondo and still worried about self defense
12:16 "Fundamentals win fights. Basics win fights."
A golden quote!
If they went back to bare knuckle. There'd be more grappling.
Brian O'Kongkohr In the cage it always went to the ground cause peoples heads are hard. Very hard on the fist if you have a tough guy. Which is why Bas Rutten's open palm strike from pancrase is so awesome.
You know bareknuckle boxing is making a come back. 1st sanctioned match in 100 years happened not too long ago
@@rye-bread5236 yeah it was just boxing; maybe it will open the door for the old UFC
Gloves were originally introduced to protect the hands of the fighters, not their heads.
True, the hands were made to grab.
I wasn't expecting to hear such an in depth analysis of these martial arts techniques. Subscribed 👊
You have a young face and an old body. Also, you seem to be a pretty nice guy. I like you, young grandpa!:)))
@Tournel Henry he said he has a young face?
When I was learning and practicing Muay Thai my Ajan was cool with me mixing in TKD and Capoiera kicks. I had no tkd or capoiera experience save for a tricking club I had a brief stint with but since I could use it in shadowboxing and sparring, it was just like learning new muay thai techniques. It helped me learn faster because I could break down the fundamental differences between all three. Learning them at the same time was like learning a new composite style. That's what MMA should be, instead of limiting it to your personal combination of 2 or even 4 bases. It should be learned as one art with Muay Thai, Boxing, Wrestling and BJJ elements combined. Techniques from TKD, Judo, Capoiera, Karate, Sanda and so on should be added in efficiently. It would be a style for lifelong learning with plenty of room for advancement.
That seems to be the way it's done now, that's why it's so fun to watch a specialist run through a "complete fighter", Olivera comes to mind right off Maia too and the Russian dude not Drago the other one.
@@scottnorton4256 well it raises the question again: is it impossible to be a generalist at the highest level of at least one component discipline?
Not quite, imo. Should take roughly the same amount of time to specialize, because the beginner stages can accomodate multiple styles. As you get more advanced you could have a bias towards what complements your strengths. As long as you're still developing other styles you are a generalist.
Holistic MMA is young, and so there's a much smaller distribution of high level generalists. But you'll see many have success against a variety of opponents (DJ especially)
But also the whole point of the generalist approach imo is that it should be foundational. You would definitely need specialist training down the line to get to the highest level of each component, at least until the level of generalists catches up.
But consider Maia though, and Ryan Hall... They actually make a great case for specialists needing a general skillset, because they tend to rely too much on their base style and when what they do doesn't work, they get stuck, and they get lit up.
Oliveira had that same issue till his general skillset rose to the level it is at now. But consider how long it took to round his game and become the problem he is now even as a specialist. Would have been less grueling and more focused but took much more time and damage sustained to reach this point.
I'm more inclined to believe he'd have gotten to this level faster and with less damage if he was general first then specializing in BJJ. I reckon that's the same rationale for primary->secondary->tertiary education.
It's awesome to see you get all these questions Ramsey , full of knowledge
Dude I just wanna say, your videos inspire me on a very personal level. I admire your style and insight.
Please continue with your channel. Your videos are like the book of psalms for martial artists. Somehow, I think you will understand my meaning. Thanks Ramsey. ;)
I think Muay Thai must be top fighting style to learn for self defence purposes.
If you are willing to go through with the brutal training process, but after some years you would be hard as nails and in self defence situation in some street fight you wouldnt worry about taking some hits.
Anonymus Alcoholic I think any martial art that involves the use of all body parts is good for any type of fighting my friend:). Coming from a Karateka and a Muay Thai practitioner, my head kicks are my go to and they work in street fights, one just has to train them efficiently!
I trained in Krav Maga group that was a lot of private military, etc and that was pretty brutal at times haha. Our head instructor had a background in Muay Thai and we did a lot of Muay Thai striking techniques and stuff, but when I moved away, I decided to join a Muay Thai gym and it definitely wasn’t as intense as my Krav Maga classes, but still good stuff
Problem is that your body is fucked by your late 20's.
@@pcprinciple3774 ye but everyones bodies are fucked when they get older anyway so its better to train muay thai get in shape and fight in tournements and have fun and good memories and be tough instead of being someone that doesnt train.
@@pcprinciple3774 yeah right, go check old Thai fighters and tell me again
great explanation and breakdown. really enjoyed hearing your thoughts. i’m a noob, so super helpful for me to understand the strengths and downsides to each style of martial art. good stuff, thank you!
dude, this is one of the best MMA educational videos I've ever seen. Kudos and thank you
I honestly love your channel. How didn't I find this goldmine sooner!
When you run down a legit list of all the champs in the UFC it's boxing and wrestling that dominates period. Good boxing and wrestling pretty much is unbeatable
Anderson Silva, Shogun, Machida, BJ Penn, etc. etc. Plenty of BJJ and non-boxing champs.
Brian, all those guys cracked for PEDs as soon as USADA came to scenes.
Muay thai and muay thai
And
*MUAY THAI AND MUAY THAI*
MUAY THAI AND MUAY CHAIYA AND MUAY BORAN
and uhhh....
LETHWEI
Wow, I am pretty sure this is what my sensei/coach has been trying to teach me for a year. The advanced is the simple that works. I love your timber as well, so low and deep. Great video!
I enjoyed your breakdown of the answer here. And your perspective that the high levels of martial arts are the basics done very well. Nice answer.
Just want to thank you for a very good explanation
Trained in all 4 more in wrestling and boxing, but hard to go wrong w/ MT and BJJ. I actually trained BJJ for 4 years, got a blue from Renzo many years go. You can concentrate on 2 for a few years, then do the other two. My advice is to go with what is the best training you have access to, and want to do.
The information density of this video is amazing. Ramsey does not waste our time.
Thank you, Mr. Dewey. I never ever get enough of your wisdom!!!
This guy's so intense, yet informative for sure
You know Mr. Dewey, on an amateur level, I love singing, dancing, boxing, MMA, and have thought about narrating audio books. It is like we have the same interests. In addition to that, I like Political Science and Science Fiction television. That is what I like about MMA instructors. You guys are well-rounded not in just your martial arts skills, but in life in general.
I love the video! Great breakdown and comparisons
In Brazil we like the combination of BJJ and Muay Thai. It's really effective! :)
That's what I believe in: in MMA, especially if you are not competing at the top 0.01%, you don't need to be great at everything, but you cannot be bad at anything, and you need to be able to defend yourself at most situations. It's like if a boxer knows great defense against kicks he can use his hands to win over a kick boxer. And in MMA if you are a great striker, and have good takedown defense, you still have a great chance of fighting a grappler/more complete fighter.
I'ma boxer who's going to add wrestling to my regiment soon. I'm thinking about doing muay thai and bjj in the future
How did it go?
This is very good advice. I'm a big believer in getting the fundamentals right. I've seen so many fights won with good basic fundamentals. Also play to your strengths and use them as your main game, but work on what you don't know to help you in the situations you don't want to be in.
Well said and fantastic explanation. I loved that brought up the fact that fundamentals and basics are your most important tools. Thanks for keeping it real Kratos.
I really love Boxing's footwork, such a shame we leave our lead leg exposed :\
TheBoredJuan I love the Muay Thai footwork it's like a steady march forward that is so hard to interrupt.
Ygg's Bonsai I practice BJJ and Wrestling and also Kickboxing, which where I'm taught is based on Muay Thai, but combines boxing and Dutch style kickboxing and kyokushin karate, so there is a mix of MT and boxing footwork
You can modify the boxing stance. Look at Dutch Kickboxing.
The boxing footwork wont help in the streets lol
@@princenaseem6123 Yes it will, definitely. Footwork can be anything that allows you to move properly for defense or offense. Have you ever seen a street fight where to guys didn't know what they were doing and the stood imbalanced and threw haymakers while lifting their foot of the ground to do it. Boxer could sidestep and pop you in the face. They have good judge of distance and move in and out or out and in. With footwork you can evade shots and be aggressive safely.
One issue I have with most mma gyms is that they teach the fundamentals, and yes you do spar, which it phenomenal, however just learning the basic techniques isnt the best, truly understanding them is the important part, their ins and outs, weaknesses and strengths. This allows a greater level of reaction and countering and attacking both, as well as makes you alot smoother in transitioning.
Subscribed just now. My bold head brother loving your outlook on martial arts. Ty for your contribution
Outstanding brother
I love the way breakdown everything you speak with solid
Examples
Catch wrestling is very good too. But I agree that boxing and wrestling is a great combination
There's almost no way to access catch wresting tho. CSW (Erik Paulson & Josh Barnett) are the only reputable grapplers I know of who teach that curriculum in the US.
@@byronjuarez656 snake pit USA? My school was a certified school by Erik Paulson and I also bought some of the DVD's from snake pit USA to really improve.
I really agree with this coach's answer. Its about knowing what your opponent brings and countering it.
Awesome, thank you for this!
Any boxer who's worth a damn should know one thing: be light on your feet! If your opponent is using kicks, is substantially taller that you, or is trying to grapple, stay out of their reach by moving around, step around their strikes, slip, etc. Only move in when you can close and unleash a hailfire of proper strikes.
if you hang around gyms for any amount of time you'll notice that really crazy techniques can only really be used when they are set up, and they can only be set up on someone unaware, which usually means new. not many black belts get caught in a bow and arrow. high level shit usually ends with (like you said) fundamentals - RNC, Right cross, or rear round house (but even thats rare as the are easy to read) learn crazy stuff for fun, master the boring simple stuff to compete seriously
Second video of yours I have watched. Subscribed. Good stuff
Excellent advice! I enjoy your presentation! Looking forward to more content. You have an excellent voice! Best of luck to you!
Wrestling and Boxing has shown the most success in MMA.
In classical music (in which I have a graduate degree), we have some really sophisticated stuff that's amazing if you understand it, but the doctrine about really simple techniques done really well still holds a major place. We can find it in the music of Mozart, said to be "too easy for kids, too hard for adults" and a headache for professionals to play because unlike music with 7 times as many notes (which sounds harder and often flashier), in Mozart if you play 3 wrong notes, the audience hears 3 wrong notes like stains on an otherwise perfectly clear mirror. We can also find it in JS Bach's Little Organ Book, where he devises compositions out of the melody of a church hymn, harmonized simply, and a straightforward elaborative figure. Basic materials, theologically and musically deep results. It takes true genius to make such richness out of such simplicity without depending on sophistry. (One saying goes, "fools marvel at complexity; geniuses marvel at simplicity.")
Excellent analogy, backed by kinetics and experience. Spot On!
Love your videos man!
Love that you really talk in one shot. This is unusual nowadays
In my eyes, we all have to look at a perfect balance between what is effective and what we all feel confortable with.
Some people develop a fighting style in wich they like to keep good distance and use kicks to that purpose, expecting takedowns and using apropriate technique, not only to avoid being taken down, but also to not leave any openings.
Other people feel confortable enough with their defensive and evasive technique - sometimes even confortable with their chin - that, If they find it worth it, they'll get in range and trade blows, counter-attacks and study opponent patterns, maybe even go for the ground if it happens and be confident there.
Sometimes there are hybrids, like McGregor, who applies good technique not to get taken down, but has good ground technique, focusing on getting up again; has some swift footwork and a stance with such spread legs that Muay Thai practicioners would laugh at it, but very good at entering danger zone and confident enough on his defense, evasiveness, head movement and trading potential to win fights standing completely still.
No matter what martial art of these you choose to be *the one*, assuming you know how to deal with other stuff, you'll be ok. You know why? Because you got *the basics* down.
Boxing and Wrestling tho ;)
Kinda crazy how much of this mentality going into the fighting game genre people as well. When you say to master what you want to be good at, and be aware of what others are doing, it reminds me that today's fighting games are complex enough where people typically only reach a master level understanding of only one or two characters at most and are basically aware of what other characters are able to do. There was also a similar trend where, for example in Tekken series, mostly Eastern martial arts got fair shakes in the game and the Western arts were given either goofy characters or were lower tier to the point where nobody would use them for competition, so it really excited me to see Boxing as a style added to the roster as well as Vale Tulo. But then the boxing character had tons of broken stuff making him top tier material and it's taken a while for him to become more sensible alongside the rest of the cast instead of pretty much mandatory. It's just amazing how all of this kinda mirrored the trends in MMA around the same time.
I recently watched an old pro in the fighting game community talk about the "wrong way to learn Tekken" where he found a new player who knew the entire movelist, but couldn't deal with basic pokes and high-low mixup strategies. These sorts of fundamentals along with good juggle combos win matches in Tekken, not sample 10 hit combos you can learn in training mode. Hope the tangent isn't too out there for ya.
Great analogy
DoomRater I've mained Steve since Tekken 5, he was kinda broken in the past. But honestly, they made him in Tekken 7 what I'd call a Perfect Character: Very strong and with extensive learning necessary, completely unique, competitive, but not overpowered. Although they could nerf the Wallsplat into Rageart but appart from that he's the best and most Well designed character in Tekken imo. Honorable mentions to Jin and King. But yeah, comming back to the point: Steve's a good character at the *basics*. His neutral game is fantastic and that's where ALL fights start. Same for MMA.
I’m a Jin main since he can do anything and like me is a karateka. Osu
There are some brilliant Balrog players in games as old as Street Fighter. He can knock out the opponent with one punch if charged properly and he can charge between rounds because of the game timer.
I just found your channel, very interesting content. I’d argue that the first real MMA fighter in the UFC was Marco Ruas who practiced Luta Livre, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Judo, Muay Thai, Taekwondo, and Capoeira.
Not going to lie man. I like to hear your explanations on martial arts they always makes sense.
I’ve recently become a Taekwondo Instructor, and I agree with this entirely.
Taekwondo is great against untrained assailants, or people who’ve done only boxing and have no leg game. But if you take Taekwondo into a cage with a well-rounded opponent you either need absolute perfect timing with your kicks or to couple it with something that has a better strike game and a grappling art sprinkled in.
I’ve recently come across these videos, and have been taking in some insight that I plan on bringing with me to our classes. I especially appreciate the focus on positioning.
I tell the students in the academy I train at that if they want to be as prepared as possible, they should build their combat foundation of positioning and kicks with Taekwondo, and once they become comfortable with it expand their knowledge with Boxing and BJJ. Something I myself definitely need to be doing more of.
If you claim to be a taekwondo instructor but don't know how to punch, remind me to never sign up for your bogus classes. Real taekwondoists should now how to punch. I first learned my boxing from my TKD school. We did it it all, even speed bagging.
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Never said I don’t know how to punch, so I’m not sure what your issue is.
@@keyow2 Your students shouldn't have to build a foundation in TKD before learning boxing. You should be teaching them boxing alongside their TKD. Punches are part TKD but are just not often in sport. Any TKD teacher who does not spend at least 20% of the class on punches should be looked at suspiciously.
This is why Koreans invented Hapkido. It blows my mind how many TKD schools have only TKD. The BEST ones also have Hapkido and maybe even Gumbdo(weapons so not for mma but still). Hapkido has ground fighting, elbow and knee strikes, and boxing aspects such as uppercuts, crosses, and hooks and such.
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I introduced the fundamentals of boxing into the academy I’m an instructor at. The Chief Instructor likewise has introduced the fundamentals of BJJ into the academy.
But at the end of the day, we teach for a park district and there are regulations. It’s supposed to be a Taekwondo class - not an MMA class. So anything we add in is under the pretext of being Taekwondo. The manager doesn’t really know the difference.
Our grappling segments aren’t “rolling,” it’s “advanced takedown sparring.” 🤫
Our boxing segments aren’t “boxing,” it’s just “high intensity self defense.” 🤫
for defense, wrestling mixed with any style of striking is king. BJJ takes way to long to learn, wrestling and boxing/ kickboxing can be learned within 6-12months. not mastered, but def become a decent fighter.
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@@Ca-vz2yo which part? Wrestling gives you grappling skills and takes about 6-12 months to become decent. Boxing can be learned roughly less time than that. This gives you both Grappling and striking skills in a year or less. BJJ does not teach striking and "typically take 18 months to two years to reach blue belt level which is typically understood as indicating basic skill in BJJ.". Give me two years of wrestling and boxing and I would not hesitate to fight a blue belt in BJJ.
@@stephenlleeds Well, yeah... *obviously* someone who has 2 years training in a grappling AND a striking art would have a large advantage over someone who solely trains BJJ.
@@stephenlleeds how is the combination of muay Thai and wrestling !?
stephenlleeds how long you think it take sto master boxing
I stumbled upon this channel and I must say...The way you converse and take time in explaining your thoughts...very very good. I am not a martial artist myself, but I have unfortunately, had to defend myself in real life situations. Simply staying calm and using what I have, has always faired well in those situations. Normally it was always the wild punches. The big round house like punches. My game plan always the same...wait for a opening and attack. I have ALWAYS been fascinated by the martial arts and this video was EXCELLENT. My stepson who is 11 has been training in bjj. When I watch the training...it always seems to start from the guard. The objective obviously within this style is to ground your opponent. What I found fascinating is when you talked about the average time it takes before a MMA fight goes to the ground. 2 minutes is a long time. What do you do in that time if your opponent is a skilled striker? You must be able to counter strike...not just block as much as you can. So, I absolutely agree with what you are saying here in this video. You simply need different tools....for different situations. Great video and presentation. You carry yourself exceptionally well and verbally bring across your thoughts in a way that can be heard and retained. I wish you the very best in all that you do my friend. I have subscribed and look forward to checking out all of your videos and learning some helpful tips.
Dewey, First Principles! First Principles! First Principles! What are the First Principles of Combat? Love your videos, man. Always thought provoking and informative. Thank you!
I'd say learn all 4 and more. wrestling and bjj can compliment each other very well when used together. boxing and muay thai cna compliment each other very well as well. I think boxing and capoeira have potential to compliment each other. wing chun and kali specialize in trapping which is the same range as knees, elbows, clinches and standing grappling. it all depends on the person, their strengths and weaknesses, what works for them, what they like, etc.
Mastering jiu jitsu by John Danaher and Renzo Gracie is a great book. Similarly focuses on basics and jiu jitsu for mma, which is the basic stuff.
Damn glad you said that, I grew up wrestling and later in life trained some boxing and jits, feel pretty physically secure compared to the average person
I agree about fundamentals. The most underestimated fundamental is the low kick. The second is the kick to the liver. Anytime a boxer fights against a KB/MT specialist, he loses, and he loses fast and/or bloody. What made Royce Gracie so successfull is not just his grappling. RG could throw or feint kicks, using it to put on a TD, esp. front/steep kicks. He also used groin shots or headbutts a lot. I mean he was prepared for MMA, not just from the grappling POV. That's what made the difference
WRESTLING-BOXING TEAM!😄
I like muay thai and bjj more but wrestling and boxing is also pretty good
Kater Carlos , I like Muay Thai n BJJ more
Never. U can't submit and are defencless below the waist. U gonna dah
@@musicgaines7170 tell that to dan hendo
@@musicgaines7170 if talking about fighting on the street - a blast double or head and arm throw onto concrete ends the fight. So will a proper right thrown with the precision and power a boxer can deliver it with
I think one of the major factors to the rise of striking in mma is more related to the entertainment side of the sport. Like you said, the way the fights are organized in 3 rounds of 5 minutes don’t favor the grapplers like the old no limit time, no round, fights did.
If a fighter just uses wrestling and bjj his/her fights will just not sale. People still don’t valorize the grappling aspects the same way as the fighting aspects.
Just look at John Fitch, he was amazing in the ground, a takedown expert that controlled his opponent like no other, but people tend to look at him as a boring fighter. The second lost he got he was kicked of the UFC.
I still think if they used the old rules like no time limits and no rounds, Bjj and wrestling would dominate like in the old days. Don’t get me wrong, I would much rather watch today fights, that are much more entertainment , BUT, if the game was different Bjj and Wrestling would still command the sport.
Hey, thanks for the insights . Great channel.
Love your message, perfect.
I have 2 words for you. Rex Kwon Do!
Too oversimplfy it a bit...
Boxing has a vulnerable lead leg, better hands, much better maneuvering, and is completely lacking in tie ups related knees, elbows, and grappling.
May Thai incorporates world class kicks, elbows, knees, and some grappling, but at the expense of a higher and tighter stance which sacrifices some maneuverability.
Wrestling has much better takedown defense and takedowns than bjj. They also tend to have better sprawls. Wrestlers are harder to get to the ground and better at getting someone to the ground and then pinning them there. Wrestling tends to be better at ground and pounds by extension... but has virtually no additional ground game and extremely limited submissions.
Bjj tends to be excellent at submissions and ground fighting with some takedown and takedown defense capabilities. Once it goes to the ground, there are no better styles than bjj. Bjj also trains to counter an opponent from beneath them, which is pretty much ignored by wrestling.
The trick in my opinion is to cross train to get the basics of each and then find a preferred grappling and striking mix.
I prefer Muay Thai and wrestling as a mix, but will go visit a bjj gym every now and then. I usually train at the bjj gyms for around 3-4 months at a time and bounce between them. Then I treat it as a grappling camp and go nearly every day...
Then I keep my base as wrestling and Muay Thai.
That is because I started in wrestling and Thai Boxing.. in hindsight, I think bjj may be better overall. Still, the same rule applies to what to do with bjj. A blue belt in bjj will get better at bjj by training a few months of wrestling and then coming back to bjj. It just adds some extra stuff...
Just found your channel tonight. Love your perspective sir. Thanks for sharing. Keep up the good work.
Thank you!
Very informational video, I learned a lot of interesting things, thank you, mr. Ramsey! :)
I would argue Marco Ruas was the first guy to be the staple of MMA in the early UFCs. Destroyed Tank Abboit with leg kicks. Submitted other fighters during the tournament. Was an expert level in striking and grappling.
Muay Thai + wrestling
scrawlin18 Same here. I trained in Muay Thai and wrestling for almost a year at American Top Team but quit because of school. But in my college it has a wrestling team and I'm in the team but didn't compete yet but would love to once I get better at wrestling.
Jon Jones ?
HatleGratZz TJ Dillashaw, Joanna, Aldo, Cain Velasquez, David Teymur, Mighty Mouse, ME.
scrawlin18 + bjj
scrawlin18 Awsome Dude Train Wrestling With Joe Kemmerer If you can..best Wrestler i know!!
Also, I love the video Firas Zahabi did on learning Muay Thai and BJJ both at the same time. Great insight from Firas.
The best martial art combo is the one that capitalizes best on your personal attributes. It’s all about learning to work with what you’ve got
I have to say I been a stand up "fighter" all my martial arts career.... Karate Capoeira Boxing Muay Thai. Never really been one for cuddling. It is a serious weakness in me. I keep threatening to learn wrestling or BJJ.
I went to a local lesson that was good and got tied in knots by every white belt there lol.
In order to improve in grappling you need to respect it a bit more than calling it "cuddling"
Your comment is 2 years old so i hope you figured it out by now and got your blue belt