This. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the reason it didn't work on the bench computer is precisely because of the lack of power to that connector. Without it, power on the PCI side might just be unstable and depending on the exact motherboard power delivery, especially given that the host-side adapter card doesn't seem to have any kind of intelligent power circuitry to convert all those different PCIe power rails to the probably only one power cable in that USB cable.
@No No That's a bit harsh! I came in here to say I was surprised that anything worked with just the power delivered down a usb cable due to constraints with voltage/current. Didn't expect a Spanish Inquisition on the chap. The SATA power plug looks to me it will probably get in the way of any card plugged in as it's vertical out of the backplane board. Might need some soldering and some short wires to fix that.
Check the block diagram for the motherboard. Sometimes the 1x slots are already behind a PCI hub logically. As others have mentioned, a different slot might work.
I bought one of these 2 years ago for my X99 system as it has no PCI slots and I had an older DVB tuner card I wanted to use. It worked fine for about 4-6 months and then it blew up taking out all the PCI-E slots on the motherboard. The way these things power the PCI cards is badly designed and it will still switch on and work even if the auxiliary SATA power connector isn't used. It has no overload protection so if the cards draw too much power over the PCI-E connection then you run the risk of damaging the motherboard as I did. The power connector on mine was also positioned badly where longer PCI cards would get in the way so I had to makeshift an angled connector that was shallow enough to fit. I wouldn't recommend using these on any motherboard you can't afford to damage and instead just buy the PCI-E equivalent of whatever expansion card you need or pay more for a better branded one such as Startech.
I know i'm late to this, but here's an explanation of the SATA power connector. A lot of external gear used to have Molex power connectors, those provide 12V and 5V. SATA connectors, when made properly, also have 3.3V on another lead - and traditional PCI needs 3.3 and 5V to support all equipment. Easier than having a step-down converter on the board
You’re right in thinking that kind of chip usually goes on a motherboard. If you check the block diagram in the manual of a recent motherboard with PCI slots, you’ll see “PCIe to PCI Bridge”. Later graphics cards also did this but in the reverse way, so they could design the card for PCIe and then port it to AGP by simply sticking this kind of bridge chip on the board.
Did you try plugging it into another PCI express slot? I have had issues with slots and plugged into another spare slot and had success. Hope you get it working
Double notch on Adaptec card is to mark the card as compatible with either 3.3V and 5V PCI standard. And yes, this card is officially 32/64 bit. Second notch on extended part marks it also as a 66 MHz capable. I have one on my Dell server. The only 64-bit PCI card I ever used ;-)
As others said, you may need to go through all BIOS settings and make sure anything 'legacy' is enabled. Personally, any PC I build, I always get a motherboard w/ 2-3 legacy PCI slots just in case I need them (and I didn't want to have to buy new PCIe cards for things I did have).
1. There's a SATA power plug on the PCI board, maybe the power delivery is not present on the gigabyte? 2. some cards don't play nice with some motherboards, as the standards weren't there for a long time.
I am also going to assume that Secureboot is OFF in this configuration. Legacy Roms will not load with secureboot enabled. It might also be worth it to turn off UEFI, Post the computer, and see if you get a Adaptec confituation screen at post
First power the adatper with the SATA power cable, second you need to look in hte BIOS of the other computer to enable looking for Other Bioses, remember that you are trying to boot a BIOS on a UEFI system (which might not work)
Last year I bought a selection of PCI to PCIe adapters and vice versa and risers, I managed to get an NVidia Quadro NVS 295 working on a Pentium II ! Out of a big tub of cards that I have its the only one that would POST. I got H.264 hardware video decoding working in XP !!! Love your videos BTW.
Did you try another PCI-E Slot on the Gigabyte mobo? Maybe go through the bios on the gigabyte system, you may need to enable something, change UEFI mode to legacy mode? Maybe change your sata config from AHCI to IDE? Maybe you need to plug a sata connector in ? I'm sure you could get it working.
I bought one for my E-MU 1616M to plug into my 13900k z790 Hero. I can't part with this sound card, it's *PERFECTION* for a sound designer. But it's not showing up in DM, and so I am wondering if I need to plug power into this external adapter to get it to work, but I'm afraid in case I burn something out. Apparently, you can still get it to work... if you can get it to show up in DM. There are also 5v/3.3v jumpers on mine for each slot.
Hey Man, did you put your E-MU 1616M to work on this adapter?, I got a similar one, just the SATA plug is placed on the side of the PCI slot. I tested my X-FI Fatal1ty Platinum Champion Edition and all working flawlessly, the modes, the I/O drive, specially the volume, 100% ok. If you did put your to work, can you tell me for how long is it working? tnx
@@ivanfidelis No, it didn't work. I contacted the supplier, and they offered a return, but as it was cheap I kept it. I may try it again, as Windows 11 was pretty new then, so maybe they've added some compatibility drivers. The 1616m still works on my older PC though, but the only thing with it is the S/P Diff has some syncing issues, but I'm not sure if that digital clock issue is the EMU or my Stanton str8-150 turntables which are quite old now. If your adapter works, can you let me know where you got it from exactly, as I may give it a try.
@@GetMoGaming ow. I almost forgot, my Xfi and 2 other simple pci boards worked flawlessly with the SATA 5 threads plugged on. And I tested too without the SATA, none worked without it, they dont even show in device manager, like they were not even connected...
It is a power issue. I am running the identical setup nearly to you, and I had to use a 90 degree sata power plug which I still needed to shave a little bit, and at that the pci card is only about 90% in the slot, but IT WORKS... Some motherboards react differently to power requirement signals on the pcie slots. That contraption has no logic to tell the motherboard what its power requirements are, so the motherboard will use whatever default is set by its maker. And its probably 5 or 10 watts only. The wyse may be giving the max of 25 watts or have a slightly higher voltage which is just enough for the card to work.
I don't know for sure but I suspect Linux could find and configure the bridge. It seems to do pretty well at dealing with things that lack BIOS support. Of course, then you'd have to use Linux to read/write the SCSI stuff.
I think it's a BIOS compatibility issue. What you want is to turn on CSM support on your motherboard. Also check BIOS settings to allow RAID card interrupt. It sounds like the Adaptec card does not support UEFI (and indeed, I do not expect it to).
I was thinking about buying same adapter for the very same reason (I needed SCSI interface on my home server to access the tape library). Ended up with LSI PCI-E SCSI card however, cause I didn't have any SCSI adapter at hand that time around, but for those who have conventional PCI cards these adapters seem like quite an option
when using pci-e/pci bridge cards a large number of motherboards larger than 4 expansion slots use a "pci-e switch" and often fail to recognize the nested bridge cards in lower slots always try to use bridge cards in the topmost slots (often a x1 is just above the x16 gou slot) otherwise refer to the motherboard manual over which slots are directly connected to cpu lanes (often the "gen 2" listed lanes are NOT cpu lanes but instead switched lanes)
what you said is only partially true, ive seen cards not be detected at all in windows (not even as an unknown device), that would fire up and work fine with no configuration in linux. linux simply has better hardware detection.
@@dcfuksurmom Hardware detection is not done by the operating system in that manner, Windows uses largely hal.dll for that, Linux has several different methods but in the end detection such as these PCI(e) cards is done by the BIOS, not the OS unless hotswap support is present and enabled, which it usually isn't. So no, Linux does not do 'better hardware detection', that's just something said by those who didn't understand why something didn't work as they wanted it to. Linux might have better support for certain devices, where Windows might have better support for certain other devices, detection however is done mostly at the physical level by chip logic, not the operating system.
@@awilliams1701 Yes official support is non existent! But there are some modified chipset inf files which supposedly support a range of intel chips here: www.windows98.xf.cz/ I happen to have a Intel 915 Pentium 4 and Intel P35 QuadCore PCI-E board handy which are mentioned to be supported which I was planning to test and will get back to you how well those go! Something else to check: msfn.org/board/topic/107001-compatible-hardware-with-windows-9x/
You can use an angled SATA power connector and that SCSI card is a 64 bits PCI, so you can cut off the connections that are not connected. Now you should be able to get it to fit.
Add additional power using the SATA power plug as you might not have enough through pcie x1 ,plug in a sata power cable as well on the board and should work on main PC.Worked for me
I hope you've got a follow-up video on this thing. I absolutely know they usually work. I passed several PB worth of data to tape over ike 5 years at an underfunded non-profit. No more failed verifications than when it was using a native PCI-X card. Get it some power and preferably a slot wired not to the PCH, but the CPU.
I think it is working on one machine (but not the other machine) for either of two reasons: Either, it might be an IRQ conflict whereby the bigger machine has some other bandwidth priority for something on or in the motherboard (whereas the smaller board has less on it to use up bandwidth to cause that)... ...Or it might be the DMA on the smaller board. The reason I think this might be the case is that the thin-client would be part of a range of computers designed to go with business-class server hardware which expects to have weird expansion cards in it that have those odd DMA setups. There is an interesting Mark Furneaux channel video whereby he demonostrates how some business class expansion cards can have a strip on their PCI/Pci-e connector masked with tape so as to prevent domestic class hardware (mboards) rejecting it. I'll try to dig out the hyperlink if it helps.
We use enclosure style PCI to pcie adapters at work to interface old PCI data acquisition hardware to modern Intel hardware. They're a couple hundred bucks but include the power supply and are a lot more secure. Regarding compatibility, they should work with literally anything. PCIe is backwards compatible with PCI, so all that device is doing is serialization/deserialization. I've never had a device not work with ours, and we have some funky old hardware. Might want to spend a few bucks more though, for $15 I wouldn't expect much.
I'd check for the INT19h option in BIOS. But honestly, regarding the requirements, it was clearly a misstake changing the system at all. Any quad core should have been enough for flashing and such, and PCI was there ;) Now with this newer system I would ditch the Adaptec and simply use an USB-SCSI-Adapter.
Did you happen to watch the video "Bits & more by René Rebe" did on this exact thing? Do you even know who he is? If not, I recommend you check him out. That SATA connect is for extra power from the PSU. It needs extra power to work properly. I honestly don't understand how it worked without extra power with the WYSE computer.
@@adriansdigitalbasement That's why I'm so confused. The SATA power, in my experience, is required for the adapter to work. Yet, the adapter worked on a machine incapable of supplying that power. I do not understand.
"I honestly don't understand how it worked without extra power with the WYSE computer." It probably depends on how much power is being consumed by other components versus how much the respective PSUs can deliver to the PCIE bus.
I have used these to expand out an single 16x machine to have 4 different cards, scsi, fiber channel, esata, and SAS. For a customer of mine didnt use the same wine you did, but same concept I know all the extensions needed to have power to work but the worked flawless out a 16x slot.
Hi Phills, it was a long time ago. But, if you still using theses adapters, can you tell me if all of them are working fine, no problem at all?, You know, I´m doing a lot of researching on this, and besides the friend here that had his motherboard trashed after his adapter exploding, I found nothing likely in several users testing those, and on the relative comments either. But you know, we need just one to get worried =/ tnx for your time...
I ran into the same issues you did, I had a use case for a SCSI card in a brand new machine and bought one of these adapters. I didn't get the SCSI BIOS to appear, but Linux did at least see the SCSI card as a PCI device. However, when I tried to load the drivers it just wouldn't initialize. Tried several different SCSI cards and had the same results. I think it's highly dependent on the system and whether or not the BIOS has support for legacy systems. So, if it works for you, great!
Besides all other issues I have an idea. I think this card could be installed into ATX case along with Micro-ATX motherboard as kind of extension. So there's no need to put devices on your desk. Just screw everithing where it was supposed to be.
That looks like a Z97 gaming G1 motherboard. Extremely stable and could probably stay powered on for 20 years. I have a UD5H and it has a bridge for pci and 2 slots. Theres settings in the bios for pci. There might be some too for the G1.
I have the extact same adater and i could get it to work with some cards, i will try some of the things you suggested and some of the others people suggested in the comments, thanks for all the info
sure why not? Failoverflow got PCIe running over 9600baud serial in asci mode... that card you have is PCI-X card and may not work on a PCI 2.1 card slot
I've noticed a lot of comments saying to do this or that in the bios but once Windows is loaded the bios support is irrelevant unless you're trying to boot from it. As I understand it Windows should enumerate the devices attached to PCI-E regardless of bios support - I had a PCI graphics card that had a corrupted VGA bios that still worked once Windows had loaded. I think the issue is more likely an incompatibility with PCI-E 2.0/3.0 and the USB cable weirdness.
i'm thinking part of the problem might be the SCSI card draws too much power for the adapter alone. i think you need the sata power connector connected to your psu aswell.
BIOS can select PCI or LPC to send the POST code. In this case BIOS sent the POST code via LPC not PCI. You may see POST code via TPM port in the mainboard.
That was a great video perhaps you can check the BIOS in your newer computer to see if it supports Legacy ROM options this is used to display bios messages from older cards. If the new computer uses uefi the Legacy roms may not be initialised or displayed have a look for the option Legacy option ROM or something like that it's different for many motherboards
Because I still use both my Emu Morpheus (4x Emu10k on one card with half a gig of RAM) and an Audigy 2 ZS (mostly for the front 5.25" bay support) I run one of these adapters on my machine and it works a treat. I've actually got the system in a Rosewill Thor case, which ahs 10 slot mobo support. Rather than mounting it externally, double-sided taped the adapter in the bottom two empty slots, the remaining slot worth of space between the mobo and the adapter being just enough room for that USB 3 cable's hood to fit. Giving me working PCI on what's now a Ryzen 5 3600. The only issue is the dumbass placement of the sata power, and that's easily rectified with a 90 degree adapter... which is where you F**ed up by not connecting power to it.
I'm a bit late, but the SCSI card probably didn't work on the Gigabyte mobo because it was in UEFI mode. The SCSI card requires the motherboard to boot in Legacy mode, in order to load its firmware.
Did you try it with the SATA power connector connected to the power supply it may need more power than can be delivered by a PCIe slot on your bench system, that power connector is there for a reason. Cut the end off off a SATA power splitter or SATA power connector on a PSU and solder the wires to the appropriate pins on the bottom of the PCI board so that the wires and connectors don’t interfere with the SCSI card.
I had the one newer smaller generation one. I put 16GB of ram, and a sata extender cable to convert the disk on chip thing to a cable. I installed Server 2016 on it and installed a firewall in a VM on it and it worked pretty well. I removed TCP/IP from the physical NIC and only had it on the virtual nic and routed it so the VM had to be booted before the computer could get on the internet. It was like a secure browsing station.
Adrian, You could retry by putting the internal interface PCIe on a longer 16x slot. by using the 1X slot it's maybe too slow to detect the scsi card. On that other wise pc, you plugged it on a 16X slot and it did see the card. And if it does see that card, if you want to plug in an external SCSI drive, be sure to supply external power to that interface card or external drive. One other option. They sell riser card about two inch high inline with the PCIe slot and on top you have a PCI slot with no usb cable or anything else. It's a strait PCIe to PCI interface. The only draw back you can't put the side cover because the card will have two inch extend outside the frame of the case. An other one would be to find a flexible 16X PCIe to PCI ribbon interface the external board has two slot, one PCI and one PCIe ad you help for the power with one molex or Sata power connector to the external. Many PC Mod builder use these special interface when they move the video card horizontal or the MB is not close to the video card.
Legacy USB port option? Sata port is for power as the USB is for signal of the pci lane Sata connector draws the power that's required for the skuz card. My Ide 133/100 pci raid card had to draw extra power.
Some scuzzy boards would create their own plus and minus 12vdc for the differential transmitter/receivers. Looks like the cable is only bringing over plus 5vdc and that is fine for the 5vdc IC’s, but if the board requires +/- 12vdc to work and it doesn’t generate them using a boost circuit and ONLY depends on the motherboard power supply, then you will need to cobble up a way to get the SATA cable plugged into the adapter “mother”board. The scuzzy board may not allow access to its BIOS unless it has the +/-12vdc present. Also, on the computer motherboard BIOS, you may need to expore the BIOS for allowing external BIOS or legacy boards allowed. You may need to really dig deep and see if it is just a configuration change in the BIOS and adding the power cable with the +/-12vdc fixes the issue.
enable in the bios USB legacy and it should work. Do note, if the pci1x draws power from the pci-express port keep an eye on the power that the cards need. But indeed the sata alike is for powering hungry cards.
I recently got one of these for my Adaptec 19160 aswell, mine particular adapter board use Asmedia 1083 PCIe-PCI bridge. And it seems to be more compatible with most PCIe slots, regardless if its a CPU direct bus or chipset bus. Although i personally enable legacy mode in the BIOS, just to ensure better compatibility.
startech pci to pcie adapter is fantastic, works easy, takes a molex power plug already in most psu's and when my copy died after a year they sent me a new one for free. I use mine to run an old scsi card that drives a canon film scanner. tested working windows 10 64 bit
That's a real doosey that Adaptec, but expecting BIOS interaction as well as windows response is asking a lot out of something connected through USB. When I got my computer I got a Ryzen socketed one with pci and pcie so I could use my old audigy 2. Half the motherboard is blocked by my strix 970oc.
I have multiple brands of PCI-E to PCI adapters, I've had success with all of them. I use them to pass PCI devices to WIndows 98 VMs. Works best on Intel procs.
As Timmy Joe PC Tech said, (i know its quite an old video) but try if you still have it enabling non-CSM or non-UEFI (legacy) on bios. On my RYZEN machine i have a PCI-ex sata card that has a bios but it never shows up unless legacy mode is enabled
I have this (AHA29160 even) working on my Asus Zenith Extreme TR1950X system. I was using it to pull data off of all my old Jazz disks. Works great. CSM needs to be enabled obviously.
not necessarilly.. i have scsi card in bios mode and i didn´t have to switch either csm on nor I had to disable secure boot.. it´s strongly dependent on your hardware, knowledge and skills.. it´s just that you let your os do the work.. you download the right drivers for the card along with manager utility (LSI has the best support in this case) and you can make it all work in Windows (for me that is) in gui.. I had plenty through the years and I´ve encountered problem only once when the vendor refused my query if there still are drivers he once supplied - i got no answer so I had to fall to linux and I solved the issue but otherwise I had no problems with cards like this..
@@lexsmith8689 - The 29160 worked out of the box for Windows 10 and Linux when I needed to do this about 6ish months prior to this video. Wrt to "knowledge/skills" bit, the CSM comment was for booting off of a device attached to the card (e.g. Jazz drive). As the card does not have UEFI-compliant firmware it cannot be used to _boot_ a system that does not have legacy (CSM) support enabled. It has nothing to do any nebulous "1337 h4x0r 5ki11z". If you do not care about booting from it, then yes, it's purely a driver issue.
@@PrimalNaCl that´s what I meant.. ;-) cuz many too often people think and make the mistake I wrote about even if there ain´t no need for it, and some "wise" guys tell them to do so.. and then the people do.. and if there´s somethin´ I dislike then it´s misleading those in need of help..
90 degree SATA power plug on to the side board would be needed as the scsi cards has a high "draw" & slow the bus down on the overclocked machine . enable legacy support and add some harddrive delay if it has the option . he already said it had trouble booting sometimes which is prob due to memory or bus timings slightly out . Modern bios would quickly cycle power up & adjust a few times before allowing boot but by that time its already skipped or failed to boot the card . bur sometimes things just don't like each other ... lol
This makes me glad that I was able to get a decent H97 board that has 2x PCI slots. Look for Gigabyte's lower end LGA1150 motherboards. Even some Z87 boards have PCI (warning: The boards can be fussy with the RAM installation/config).
Hi, what motherboard do you have? I have an M-Audio delta 1010lt and I am considering connecting to the ASUS X570 MB via this PCI-Express to PCI adapter. But I don't know if it's a good idea. And what about latency? Same as on MB with PCI slot? Edit: few comments down- ceilingsoldier claims it's not safe because there's no overload protection. So it's not worth the risk for me. I hope yours works well.
@@Avennder hi, the set up is on my backup PC so i haven't really pushed it, so cant say for certain, but i have had pro tools running with full session, 50 odd tracks with many plugins, and no problems and not had to change latency from the usual ( 256 samples i think ). Interesting about overload pro, not a problem for me - its a set up which would be redundant otherwise - but perhaps best for you to play safe then. btw MB i dont know, its a HP z220 with xeon 1230 v3 proc.
It does not require additional power supply when power below 16W, besides, there are SATA to enhance power on the board so tat is where sata power plug is for
Plug the Sata power connector in, just use an L-Shape right angle Sata power adapter. The bigger card will draw far more power than the smaller cards. There is nothing sketchy about these bridges at all, they are essentially what is built onto motherboards. The USB cable is just used for ease, its nothing to do with USB, it's just a high data rate cable for connecting the two boards. Overall you can make an adapter for any bus to bus, Chinese manufacturers are chucking out loads of interfaces from this to that.
I have a PC with a Voodoo 2 Sli on such an adapter. If you don't plug in the SATA power connector, it won't work. What I don't like about this adapter is the arrangement of the SATA connector. If you use a long card, the cables get in the way. With mine, the connection runs below the slot in their direction, next to the cards. So there are no cables in the way.
Of course it does not work in the big computer as that thing has UEFI, but it works in the thinclient because it uses BIOS, and scsi cards use Bios extension to initialise. Glad to see these chineese things actually work though
There are quite a few Z97 boards with one or more PCI slots. You would probably want one of the higher end models as the 4790k is quite demanding. Quite expensive to buy new old stock ones though.
@@adriansdigitalbasementthat might be it, those caps are solid electrolyte, when they expand and shrink they might crack from inside. So now they don't filter as well
That actually makes for some good sense to make like a USB bridged bus, because it would possibly overcome signal spec issues, but could have some lag issues. I was wondering about like a big case, using some mount points to use slots beyond the motherboard. Recently when I got a new motherboard, I got an older, more expensive Prime 350B plus because I wanted my Audigy 2 card still. There are 2 pci slots and 1 is blocked by a 3 slot gpu.
Toubleshooting I'd try: 1. The SATA Power, you can find right-angle extension cables. The Wyse might have more power available on it's PCIe slot for some reason. 2. A different PCIe slot. Is that one shared with any other devices (M.2 or other)? It it on the PCH or CPU? Looks like those 1x PCIe slots are special 2.0-only slots. Not sure if that's an issue...
The Long time booting (at ±4:55) bios could be fan-searching of the BIOS. I had the same problem with one of my computers here. After disabling the options to monitor the fans, my computer started much faster.
Is there anyway to test how much latency such an adapter card produce /introduce "if any?", i was thinking for soundcards. I have ADAT cards "i have seen one affordable solution for PCI-E" but otherwise they are expensive beyond my budget and i was thinking maybe a PCI-E to PCI solution could work.
I was thinking that very same thing . i still using a p4 with 7600gs & athlon64x2 with8600gt both with 2gb memory . & he found a 32gb machine in the trash ,,,., lmao i need to go more upmarket on my dumpster diving .....lmao .. Adrian you videos are great but i hate you right now ,,,,lol... in a friendly way of course
You should really try a more serious pci external adapter. At my work we use a lot of them for electrical noise reasons. The devices we use have a special card that sits in the host pc and uses 2 dvi cables to run to the external chassis which has 4 or 5 pci / pci-express slots in it.
Adrian i wonder could you do a follow up video for this one, i am curious if you can get old soundcards like sblive, audigy 1 and 2 work under windows 10, using the "old drivers installing them as administartor using compability mode". I recently bought an aloder digital mixer that i got working in Windows 10 using windows 2000 drivers , i just had to install the drivers using compability mode as adminstrator. I am currently thinking of buying an adapter to use with my old PCI "Adat soundcards", but if the machines do not even recognize the soundcards i guess the whole approach is mot. That it did not work with SCSI does not necessarily mean that it will not work with a soundcard? What do you think will the adapter recognize old PCI soundcards?
Hi, I'm using the same adapter and it has a problem it is badly designed, it has missing two caps on TX pair from the chip and there are two redundant capacitors on RX signals (PCIe has only AC on the transmitted signals). This leads some PC chipsets to ignore the device. If you put two caps serialy on the wires at the transmitter side it should start to work. Also the board can supply less than 5 watts to the PCI cards (both PCI cards can together take up to 50 watts). The SATA power blocks any long card, no matter if angled or not.
I've been thinking about getting this. Mostly, I want to add USB 3.0 to my Dell Optiplex 3010 SFF, and the GT 710 card I'm using blocks the PCI-1X slot. From what I gather else where, this expansion slot accessory won't run advanced GPUs. Also, I'm looking for a external case for this.
The reason why the amd board did not show the adaptec bios is because its booting in uefi mode, which does not configured correctly to boot in legacy bios mode, which the pci card expects.
Some old PCI & ISA card need -12V (on the 1st PCI pin) to work, so you can expect most RS232 or old Soundcard would probably not work with that adapter.
Hmm, not sure if I would trust long term use for large cards, due to the power draw without using on onboard power. [ Looking at other modules the same, it seems it want's a SATA power connector]
Just try another slot in the first machine even if is a pcie x4 etc. Sometimes you get conflicts in one slot with things on the MoBo and X board would fail in that one then works in another. Is why PnP is still called Plug and Pray after 25 years.
Those are mining risers... but yes they tend to work for randomness. :) You will need to enable 4G decoding for some systems. Intels are a little more finiky for that. Depends on the bios. Also, for higher power devices, you need to connect the sata cable for devices that need larger amounts of power.
the sata power connector is exactly that, it provides power to the board for higher power cards.
^SATA not sata
This. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the reason it didn't work on the bench computer is precisely because of the lack of power to that connector. Without it, power on the PCI side might just be unstable and depending on the exact motherboard power delivery, especially given that the host-side adapter card doesn't seem to have any kind of intelligent power circuitry to convert all those different PCIe power rails to the probably only one power cable in that USB cable.
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@@CalintzJerevinan546 It's not a linux problem lol.
@@technikfreak9859 You're an idiot. Go back to school kid.
The x1 slot you used was probably on the PCH and not direct to the CPU. Plug it into one of the x16 slots near the top and it may work fine.
He's using them for the graphics card. Might worth a try just to be sure
@@DEMENTO01 It's the bios. Not all newer machines will do in 13h. If does not older scsi cards will not work
Niya Blake my Z170 motherboard has a pci connector (asus Z170-A)
@No No That's a bit harsh! I came in here to say I was surprised that anything worked with just the power delivered down a usb cable due to constraints with voltage/current. Didn't expect a Spanish Inquisition on the chap. The SATA power plug looks to me it will probably get in the way of any card plugged in as it's vertical out of the backplane board. Might need some soldering and some short wires to fix that.
@No No Still a bit tall, lots of cards have PCB in that area.
Check the block diagram for the motherboard. Sometimes the 1x slots are already behind a PCI hub logically. As others have mentioned, a different slot might work.
I bought one of these 2 years ago for my X99 system as it has no PCI slots and I had an older DVB tuner card I wanted to use. It worked fine for about 4-6 months and then it blew up taking out all the PCI-E slots on the motherboard. The way these things power the PCI cards is badly designed and it will still switch on and work even if the auxiliary SATA power connector isn't used. It has no overload protection so if the cards draw too much power over the PCI-E connection then you run the risk of damaging the motherboard as I did. The power connector on mine was also positioned badly where longer PCI cards would get in the way so I had to makeshift an angled connector that was shallow enough to fit. I wouldn't recommend using these on any motherboard you can't afford to damage and instead just buy the PCI-E equivalent of whatever expansion card you need or pay more for a better branded one such as Startech.
I know i'm late to this, but here's an explanation of the SATA power connector. A lot of external gear used to have Molex power connectors, those provide 12V and 5V. SATA connectors, when made properly, also have 3.3V on another lead - and traditional PCI needs 3.3 and 5V to support all equipment. Easier than having a step-down converter on the board
take note: videos like this are a masterpiece of youtube history. The presentation and suspense is great. Thanks man.
You’re right in thinking that kind of chip usually goes on a motherboard. If you check the block diagram in the manual of a recent motherboard with PCI slots, you’ll see “PCIe to PCI Bridge”. Later graphics cards also did this but in the reverse way, so they could design the card for PCIe and then port it to AGP by simply sticking this kind of bridge chip on the board.
Did you try plugging it into another PCI express slot? I have had issues with slots and plugged into another spare slot and had success. Hope you get it working
Double notch on Adaptec card is to mark the card as compatible with either 3.3V and 5V PCI standard. And yes, this card is officially 32/64 bit. Second notch on extended part marks it also as a 66 MHz capable. I have one on my Dell server. The only 64-bit PCI card I ever used ;-)
As others said, you may need to go through all BIOS settings and make sure anything 'legacy' is enabled. Personally, any PC I build, I always get a motherboard w/ 2-3 legacy PCI slots just in case I need them (and I didn't want to have to buy new PCIe cards for things I did have).
1. There's a SATA power plug on the PCI board, maybe the power delivery is not present on the gigabyte?
2. some cards don't play nice with some motherboards, as the standards weren't there for a long time.
I've used a very similar product as a GPU raiser. You need to connect the sata power cable. They work okish.
Agreed. I use something like this to turn a 1x port to 16x for gpu support on boards that otherwise cannot or will not fit a full sized gpu.
Out of curiosity, does the BIOS on the bench computer have a setting related to "Allow option ROMS" or something to that effect?
@@adriansdigitalbasement OK.. just a thought. I should have known better that you would be aware of it :)
@@supremerulah420 There might be an opton for legacy hardware. I had an issue recently where an LSI SAS controller woudn't show its POST screen.
This will be tghe case as non-EFI hardware. Adaptec card is from 1999 according to its copyright.
I am also going to assume that Secureboot is OFF in this configuration.
Legacy Roms will not load with secureboot enabled. It might also be
worth it to turn off UEFI, Post the computer, and see if you get a
Adaptec confituation screen at post
First power the adatper with the SATA power cable, second you need to look in hte BIOS of the other computer to enable looking for Other Bioses, remember that you are trying to boot a BIOS on a UEFI system (which might not work)
This is the correct answer. An old Bios card won't start in an Uefi environment. You'd need to set it back to Bios (can be done on lost boards)
Last year I bought a selection of PCI to PCIe adapters and vice versa and risers, I managed to get an NVidia Quadro NVS 295 working on a Pentium II ! Out of a big tub of cards that I have its the only one that would POST. I got H.264 hardware video decoding working in XP !!! Love your videos BTW.
Did you try another PCI-E Slot on the Gigabyte mobo? Maybe go through the bios on the gigabyte system, you may need to enable something, change UEFI mode to legacy mode? Maybe change your sata config from AHCI to IDE? Maybe you need to plug a sata connector in ? I'm sure you could get it working.
Force legacy oproms in the UEFI, because the i7 is UEFI not BIOS.
I know it's kinda randomly asking but does anyone know of a good place to stream new tv shows online?
@@asanjuas its running in legacy mode.... he stated this at the beginning..... even my 7700k mobo has legacy support
I bought one for my E-MU 1616M to plug into my 13900k z790 Hero. I can't part with this sound card, it's *PERFECTION* for a sound designer. But it's not showing up in DM, and so I am wondering if I need to plug power into this external adapter to get it to work, but I'm afraid in case I burn something out. Apparently, you can still get it to work... if you can get it to show up in DM. There are also 5v/3.3v jumpers on mine for each slot.
Hey Man, did you put your E-MU 1616M to work on this adapter?, I got a similar one, just the SATA plug is placed on the side of the PCI slot. I tested my X-FI Fatal1ty Platinum Champion Edition and all working flawlessly, the modes, the I/O drive, specially the volume, 100% ok. If you did put your to work, can you tell me for how long is it working? tnx
@@ivanfidelis No, it didn't work. I contacted the supplier, and they offered a return, but as it was cheap I kept it. I may try it again, as Windows 11 was pretty new then, so maybe they've added some compatibility drivers. The 1616m still works on my older PC though, but the only thing with it is the S/P Diff has some syncing issues, but I'm not sure if that digital clock issue is the EMU or my Stanton str8-150 turntables which are quite old now. If your adapter works, can you let me know where you got it from exactly, as I may give it a try.
@@GetMoGaming ow. I almost forgot, my Xfi and 2 other simple pci boards worked flawlessly with the SATA 5 threads plugged on. And I tested too without the SATA, none worked without it, they dont even show in device manager, like they were not even connected...
@@ivanfidelis3829 Thanks man, that's great advice!!
You should also add the sata connector for proper power on the PCI slots.
It is a power issue. I am running the identical setup nearly to you, and I had to use a 90 degree sata power plug which I still needed to shave a little bit, and at that the pci card is only about 90% in the slot, but IT WORKS... Some motherboards react differently to power requirement signals on the pcie slots. That contraption has no logic to tell the motherboard what its power requirements are, so the motherboard will use whatever default is set by its maker. And its probably 5 or 10 watts only. The wyse may be giving the max of 25 watts or have a slightly higher voltage which is just enough for the card to work.
I don't know for sure but I suspect Linux could find and configure the bridge. It seems to do pretty well at dealing with things that lack BIOS support. Of course, then you'd have to use Linux to read/write the SCSI stuff.
I think it's a BIOS compatibility issue. What you want is to turn on CSM support on your motherboard. Also check BIOS settings to allow RAID card interrupt. It sounds like the Adaptec card does not support UEFI (and indeed, I do not expect it to).
I was thinking about buying same adapter for the very same reason (I needed SCSI interface on my home server to access the tape library). Ended up with LSI PCI-E SCSI card however, cause I didn't have any SCSI adapter at hand that time around, but for those who have conventional PCI cards these adapters seem like quite an option
when using pci-e/pci bridge cards a large number of motherboards larger than 4 expansion slots use a "pci-e switch" and often fail to recognize the nested bridge cards in lower slots always try to use bridge cards in the topmost slots (often a x1 is just above the x16 gou slot) otherwise refer to the motherboard manual over which slots are directly connected to cpu lanes (often the "gen 2" listed lanes are NOT cpu lanes but instead switched lanes)
5:10 ... You didnt connect the Sata power cable...
It actually begins at 3:03 in the video. He mentions that he's not sure if it's actually a sata power connection.
@@frankhernandez2833 I know. I just wrote my comment before he said it. I almost always watch every video until the end.
Yes 🤣🤣🤣 old but (didnt connect the Sata power cable) How Work !!!
It'd be interesting to see if you booted from a Linux live CD, if it picks up the bridge and the card in lspci.
what you said is only partially true, ive seen cards not be detected at all in windows (not even as an unknown device), that would fire up and work fine with no configuration in linux. linux simply has better hardware detection.
@@dcfuksurmom Hardware detection is not done by the operating system in that manner, Windows uses largely hal.dll for that, Linux has several different methods but in the end detection such as these PCI(e) cards is done by the BIOS, not the OS unless hotswap support is present and enabled, which it usually isn't.
So no, Linux does not do 'better hardware detection', that's just something said by those who didn't understand why something didn't work as they wanted it to.
Linux might have better support for certain devices, where Windows might have better support for certain other devices, detection however is done mostly at the physical level by chip logic, not the operating system.
If your bench computer uses UEFI, you need to enable CSM support for option cards or something similar. That might work.
Looks like a neat way of hooking up a GPU + Soundcard to a small Win98 computer with no decent expansion room
I've never heard of a windows 98 machine with pci express before.
@@awilliams1701 Yes official support is non existent!
But there are some modified chipset inf files which supposedly support a range of intel chips here: www.windows98.xf.cz/
I happen to have a Intel 915 Pentium 4 and Intel P35 QuadCore PCI-E board handy which are mentioned to be supported which I was planning to test and will get back to you how well those go!
Something else to check: msfn.org/board/topic/107001-compatible-hardware-with-windows-9x/
You can use an angled SATA power connector and that SCSI card is a 64 bits PCI, so you can cut off the connections that are not connected. Now you should be able to get it to fit.
Add additional power using the SATA power plug as you might not have enough through pcie x1 ,plug in a sata power cable as well on the board and should work on main PC.Worked for me
I hope you've got a follow-up video on this thing. I absolutely know they usually work. I passed several PB worth of data to tape over ike 5 years at an underfunded non-profit. No more failed verifications than when it was using a native PCI-X card.
Get it some power and preferably a slot wired not to the PCH, but the CPU.
I think it is working on one machine (but not the other machine) for either of two reasons:
Either, it might be an IRQ conflict whereby the bigger machine has some other bandwidth priority for something on or in the motherboard (whereas the smaller board has less on it to use up bandwidth to cause that)...
...Or it might be the DMA on the smaller board. The reason I think this might be the case is that the thin-client would be part of a range of computers designed to go with business-class server hardware which expects to have weird expansion cards in it that have those odd DMA setups. There is an interesting Mark Furneaux channel video whereby he demonostrates how some business class expansion cards can have a strip on their PCI/Pci-e connector masked with tape so as to prevent domestic class hardware (mboards) rejecting it. I'll try to dig out the hyperlink if it helps.
Had the same issue with a mining rig, I believe there's a bios setting you need to change if I remember correctly
We use enclosure style PCI to pcie adapters at work to interface old PCI data acquisition hardware to modern Intel hardware. They're a couple hundred bucks but include the power supply and are a lot more secure.
Regarding compatibility, they should work with literally anything. PCIe is backwards compatible with PCI, so all that device is doing is serialization/deserialization. I've never had a device not work with ours, and we have some funky old hardware. Might want to spend a few bucks more though, for $15 I wouldn't expect much.
I'd check for the INT19h option in BIOS.
But honestly, regarding the requirements, it was clearly a misstake changing the system at all. Any quad core should have been enough for flashing and such, and PCI was there ;)
Now with this newer system I would ditch the Adaptec and simply use an USB-SCSI-Adapter.
Check your bios for an "option ROM" setting, it should be on
Did you happen to watch the video "Bits & more by René Rebe" did on this exact thing? Do you even know who he is? If not, I recommend you check him out. That SATA connect is for extra power from the PSU. It needs extra power to work properly. I honestly don't understand how it worked without extra power with the WYSE computer.
@@adriansdigitalbasement That's why I'm so confused. The SATA power, in my experience, is required for the adapter to work. Yet, the adapter worked on a machine incapable of supplying that power. I do not understand.
David Phantom, thanks for mentioning the "Bits & more by René Rebe" channel. I just subscribed.
"I honestly don't understand how it worked without extra power with the WYSE computer."
It probably depends on how much power is being consumed by other components versus how much the respective PSUs can deliver to the PCIE bus.
I have used these to expand out an single 16x machine to have 4 different cards, scsi, fiber channel, esata, and SAS. For a customer of mine didnt use the same wine you did, but same concept I know all the extensions needed to have power to work but the worked flawless out a 16x slot.
Hi Phills, it was a long time ago. But, if you still using theses adapters, can you tell me if all of them are working fine, no problem at all?, You know, I´m doing a lot of researching on this, and besides the friend here that had his motherboard trashed after his adapter exploding, I found nothing likely in several users testing those, and on the relative comments either. But you know, we need just one to get worried =/ tnx for your time...
Think it has anything to do with the new computer uses UEFI and the SCSI uses bios on boot.
Excellent, I need an adapter like that because I have tons old PCI cards ( Not PCI express ) and I wanted to use them on new computers !
I ran into the same issues you did, I had a use case for a SCSI card in a brand new machine and bought one of these adapters. I didn't get the SCSI BIOS to appear, but Linux did at least see the SCSI card as a PCI device. However, when I tried to load the drivers it just wouldn't initialize. Tried several different SCSI cards and had the same results. I think it's highly dependent on the system and whether or not the BIOS has support for legacy systems. So, if it works for you, great!
Besides all other issues I have an idea.
I think this card could be installed into ATX case along with Micro-ATX motherboard as kind of extension. So there's no need to put devices on your desk.
Just screw everithing where it was supposed to be.
That looks like a Z97 gaming G1 motherboard. Extremely stable and could probably stay powered on for 20 years. I have a UD5H and it has a bridge for pci and 2 slots. Theres settings in the bios for pci. There might be some too for the G1.
Oscar winning 'duh I've never seen riser card before' part. 10/10 mate
I have the extact same adater and i could get it to work with some cards, i will try some of the things you suggested and some of the others people suggested in the comments, thanks for all the info
sure why not? Failoverflow got PCIe running over 9600baud serial in asci mode...
that card you have is PCI-X card and may not work on a PCI 2.1 card slot
... Its only now that i have read the description. Maybe a 90° Sata power adapter? or soldering the cable onto the motherboard?
Don't know specifics, but more than likely there IS some setting on the newer system to allow that to work.
I've noticed a lot of comments saying to do this or that in the bios but once Windows is loaded the bios support is irrelevant unless you're trying to boot from it. As I understand it Windows should enumerate the devices attached to PCI-E regardless of bios support - I had a PCI graphics card that had a corrupted VGA bios that still worked once Windows had loaded. I think the issue is more likely an incompatibility with PCI-E 2.0/3.0 and the USB cable weirdness.
Thanks for another awesome video Adrian.
I'd suggest you tell the BIOS to force the gen of the PCIE to GEN1 as it may be in auto or GEN3.
I had some Pcie riser cards that had the same usb 3.0 for data and power and kost of the Cards didnt work without the Sata Power.
If you'd have an Big tower you could mount this on the normal extension slot area below the mainboard and use the internal Sata Power Connector.
i'm thinking part of the problem might be the SCSI card draws too much power for the adapter alone. i think you need the sata power connector connected to your psu aswell.
@@adriansdigitalbasement Right angle power cable, perhaps?
@@adriansdigitalbasement oh i was thinking one of the angled 90 connectors , but must be a bios issue
BIOS can select PCI or LPC to send the POST code. In this case BIOS sent the POST code via LPC not PCI. You may see POST code via TPM port in the mainboard.
That was a great video perhaps you can check the BIOS in your newer computer to see if it supports Legacy ROM options this is used to display bios messages from older cards. If the new computer uses uefi the Legacy roms may not be initialised or displayed have a look for the option Legacy option ROM or something like that it's different for many motherboards
Because I still use both my Emu Morpheus (4x Emu10k on one card with half a gig of RAM) and an Audigy 2 ZS (mostly for the front 5.25" bay support) I run one of these adapters on my machine and it works a treat.
I've actually got the system in a Rosewill Thor case, which ahs 10 slot mobo support. Rather than mounting it externally, double-sided taped the adapter in the bottom two empty slots, the remaining slot worth of space between the mobo and the adapter being just enough room for that USB 3 cable's hood to fit.
Giving me working PCI on what's now a Ryzen 5 3600.
The only issue is the dumbass placement of the sata power, and that's easily rectified with a 90 degree adapter... which is where you F**ed up by not connecting power to it.
I'm running a Ryzen 5 also but can't detect the adapter in the DM any config suggestions ?? Thanks
I'm a bit late, but the SCSI card probably didn't work on the Gigabyte mobo because it was in UEFI mode.
The SCSI card requires the motherboard to boot in Legacy mode, in order to load its firmware.
This room is AMAZING!
Did you try it with the SATA power connector connected to the power supply it may need more power than can be delivered by a PCIe slot on your bench system, that power connector is there for a reason.
Cut the end off off a SATA power splitter or SATA power connector on a PSU and solder the wires to the appropriate pins on the bottom of the PCI board so that the wires and connectors don’t interfere with the SCSI card.
The "Thin Client" is a Wyse R90LE.
I had the one newer smaller generation one. I put 16GB of ram, and a sata extender cable to convert the disk on chip thing to a cable. I installed Server 2016 on it and installed a firewall in a VM on it and it worked pretty well. I removed TCP/IP from the physical NIC and only had it on the virtual nic and routed it so the VM had to be booted before the computer could get on the internet. It was like a secure browsing station.
Adrian, You could retry by putting the internal interface PCIe on a longer 16x slot. by using the 1X slot it's maybe too slow to detect the scsi card. On that other wise pc, you plugged it on a 16X slot and it did see the card. And if it does see that card, if you want to plug in an external SCSI drive, be sure to supply external power to that interface card or external drive.
One other option. They sell riser card about two inch high inline with the PCIe slot and on top you have a PCI slot with no usb cable or anything else. It's a strait PCIe to PCI interface. The only draw back you can't put the side cover because the card will have two inch extend outside the frame of the case. An other one would be to find a flexible 16X PCIe to PCI ribbon interface the external board has two slot, one PCI and one PCIe ad you help for the power with one molex or Sata power connector to the external.
Many PC Mod builder use these special interface when they move the video card horizontal or the MB is not close to the video card.
Legacy USB port option? Sata port is for power as the USB is for signal of the pci lane
Sata connector draws the power that's required for the skuz card.
My Ide 133/100 pci raid card had to draw extra power.
Some scuzzy boards would create their own plus and minus 12vdc for the differential transmitter/receivers. Looks like the cable is only bringing over plus 5vdc and that is fine for the 5vdc IC’s, but if the board requires +/- 12vdc to work and it doesn’t generate them using a boost circuit and ONLY depends on the motherboard power supply, then you will need to cobble up a way to get the SATA cable plugged into the adapter “mother”board. The scuzzy board may not allow access to its BIOS unless it has the +/-12vdc present. Also, on the computer motherboard BIOS, you may need to expore the BIOS for allowing external BIOS or legacy boards allowed. You may need to really dig deep and see if it is just a configuration change in the BIOS and adding the power cable with the +/-12vdc fixes the issue.
enable in the bios USB legacy and it should work. Do note, if the pci1x draws power from the pci-express port keep an eye on the power that the cards need. But indeed the sata alike is for powering hungry cards.
I recently got one of these for my Adaptec 19160 aswell, mine particular adapter board use Asmedia 1083 PCIe-PCI bridge. And it seems to be more compatible with most PCIe slots, regardless if its a CPU direct bus or chipset bus.
Although i personally enable legacy mode in the BIOS, just to ensure better compatibility.
Only problem I can think of is your desktop is in UEFI mode and that card may not support it.
That should only affect the boot ROM, which shouldn't be necessary for the OS to pick it up.
startech pci to pcie adapter is fantastic, works easy, takes a molex power plug already in most psu's and when my copy died after a year they sent me a new one for free. I use mine to run an old scsi card that drives a canon film scanner. tested working windows 10 64 bit
That's a real doosey that Adaptec, but expecting BIOS interaction as well as windows response is asking a lot out of something connected through USB. When I got my computer I got a Ryzen socketed one with pci and pcie so I could use my old audigy 2. Half the motherboard is blocked by my strix 970oc.
I suppose you could swap out the SATA power with a right angled one, or just hard solder a lead with plug to it.
I'm surprised that gigabyte board doesn't have a pci slot. I have one on my gigabyte z97-ud3h board with my 4790k.
I have multiple brands of PCI-E to PCI adapters, I've had success with all of them. I use them to pass PCI devices to WIndows 98 VMs. Works best on Intel procs.
As Timmy Joe PC Tech said, (i know its quite an old video) but try if you still have it enabling non-CSM or non-UEFI (legacy) on bios. On my RYZEN machine i have a PCI-ex sata card that has a bios but it never shows up unless legacy mode is enabled
I have this (AHA29160 even) working on my Asus Zenith Extreme TR1950X system. I was using it to pull data off of all my old Jazz disks. Works great.
CSM needs to be enabled obviously.
not necessarilly.. i have scsi card in bios mode and i didn´t have to switch either csm on nor I had to disable secure boot.. it´s strongly dependent on your hardware, knowledge and skills.. it´s just that you let your os do the work.. you download the right drivers for the card along with manager utility (LSI has the best support in this case) and you can make it all work in Windows (for me that is) in gui.. I had plenty through the years and I´ve encountered problem only once when the vendor refused my query if there still are drivers he once supplied - i got no answer so I had to fall to linux and I solved the issue but otherwise I had no problems with cards like this..
@@lexsmith8689 - The 29160 worked out of the box for Windows 10 and Linux when I needed to do this about 6ish months prior to this video. Wrt to "knowledge/skills" bit, the CSM comment was for booting off of a device attached to the card (e.g. Jazz drive). As the card does not have UEFI-compliant firmware it cannot be used to _boot_ a system that does not have legacy (CSM) support enabled. It has nothing to do any nebulous "1337 h4x0r 5ki11z". If you do not care about booting from it, then yes, it's purely a driver issue.
@@PrimalNaCl that´s what I meant.. ;-) cuz many too often people think and make the mistake I wrote about even if there ain´t no need for it, and some "wise" guys tell them to do so.. and then the people do.. and if there´s somethin´ I dislike then it´s misleading those in need of help..
@@lexsmith8689 Ah. Ok. Apologies if I was unclear.
90 degree SATA power plug on to the side board would be needed as the scsi cards has a high "draw" & slow the bus down on the overclocked machine . enable legacy support and add some harddrive delay if it has the option . he already said it had trouble booting sometimes which is prob due to memory or bus timings slightly out . Modern bios would quickly cycle power up & adjust a few times before allowing boot but by that time its already skipped or failed to boot the card . bur sometimes things just don't like each other ... lol
This makes me glad that I was able to get a decent H97 board that has 2x PCI slots. Look for Gigabyte's lower end LGA1150 motherboards. Even some Z87 boards have PCI (warning: The boards can be fussy with the RAM installation/config).
I use one of these to connect my M-audio Delta66 card - it works flawlessly so far, no sata power connected.
Hi, what motherboard do you have? I have an M-Audio delta 1010lt and I am considering connecting to the ASUS X570 MB via this PCI-Express to PCI adapter. But I don't know if it's a good idea. And what about latency? Same as on MB with PCI slot?
Edit: few comments down-
ceilingsoldier claims it's not safe because there's no overload protection. So it's not worth the risk for me. I hope yours works well.
@@Avennder hi, the set up is on my backup PC so i haven't really pushed it, so cant say for certain, but i have had pro tools running with full session, 50 odd tracks with many plugins, and no problems and not had to change latency from the usual ( 256 samples i think ). Interesting about overload pro, not a problem for me - its a set up which would be redundant otherwise - but perhaps best for you to play safe then. btw MB i dont know, its a HP z220 with xeon 1230 v3 proc.
@@tendon121 Thanks for answer. Nice to know that adapter work with no problem at full session...
It does not require additional power supply when power below 16W, besides, there are SATA to enhance power on the board so tat is where sata power plug is for
Plug the Sata power connector in, just use an L-Shape right angle Sata power adapter. The bigger card will draw far more power than the smaller cards. There is nothing sketchy about these bridges at all, they are essentially what is built onto motherboards. The USB cable is just used for ease, its nothing to do with USB, it's just a high data rate cable for connecting the two boards. Overall you can make an adapter for any bus to bus, Chinese manufacturers are chucking out loads of interfaces from this to that.
I have a PC with a Voodoo 2 Sli on such an adapter. If you don't plug in the SATA power connector, it won't work. What I don't like about this adapter is the arrangement of the SATA connector. If you use a long card, the cables get in the way. With mine, the connection runs below the slot in their direction, next to the cards. So there are no cables in the way.
Of course it does not work in the big computer as that thing has UEFI, but it works in the thinclient because it uses BIOS, and scsi cards use Bios extension to initialise. Glad to see these chineese things actually work though
There are quite a few Z97 boards with one or more PCI slots. You would probably want one of the higher end models as the 4790k is quite demanding. Quite expensive to buy new old stock ones though.
There's even b450 with PCI
Problem with that motherboard not booting fast/correctly is most likely power supply problem (if it is old)
@@adriansdigitalbasementthat might be it, those caps are solid electrolyte, when they expand and shrink they might crack from inside. So now they don't filter as well
on modern pc's you have set the on board firmware to force BIOS \ Firmware and if the option not available for you well then S2BU
That actually makes for some good sense to make like a USB bridged bus, because it would possibly overcome signal spec issues, but could have some lag issues. I was wondering about like a big case, using some mount points to use slots beyond the motherboard. Recently when I got a new motherboard, I got an older, more expensive Prime 350B plus because I wanted my Audigy 2 card still. There are 2 pci slots and 1 is blocked by a 3 slot gpu.
It's not actually USB, they're just using USB cables as a cheap, easy way to pass signals back and forth.
Toubleshooting I'd try:
1. The SATA Power, you can find right-angle extension cables. The Wyse might have more power available on it's PCIe slot for some reason.
2. A different PCIe slot. Is that one shared with any other devices (M.2 or other)? It it on the PCH or CPU?
Looks like those 1x PCIe slots are special 2.0-only slots. Not sure if that's an issue...
You may need a SATA power cable with a 90° connector at one end to get it to work with the oversize card you're using.
The Long time booting (at ±4:55) bios could be fan-searching of the BIOS. I had the same problem with one of my computers here. After disabling the options to monitor the fans, my computer started much faster.
Is there anyway to test how much latency such an adapter card produce /introduce "if any?", i was thinking for soundcards. I have ADAT cards "i have seen one affordable solution for PCI-E" but otherwise they are expensive beyond my budget and i was thinking maybe a PCI-E to PCI solution could work.
When the PC he finds in the trash is better than the one you're using :(
I was thinking that very same thing . i still using a p4 with 7600gs & athlon64x2 with8600gt both with 2gb memory . & he found a 32gb machine in the trash ,,,., lmao i need to go more upmarket on my dumpster diving .....lmao .. Adrian you videos are great but i hate you right now ,,,,lol... in a friendly way of course
You should really try a more serious pci external adapter. At my work we use a lot of them for electrical noise reasons. The devices we use have a special card that sits in the host pc and uses 2 dvi cables to run to the external chassis which has 4 or 5 pci / pci-express slots in it.
running pci-e directly over a usb3 cable is going to have signal ring issues.
3:06 my guess would be some kind of enterprise or server sata connector ?
Adrian i wonder could you do a follow up video for this one, i am curious if you can get old soundcards like sblive, audigy 1 and 2 work under windows 10, using the "old drivers installing them as administartor using compability mode". I recently bought an aloder digital mixer that i got working in Windows 10 using windows 2000 drivers , i just had to install the drivers using compability mode as adminstrator.
I am currently thinking of buying an adapter to use with my old PCI "Adat soundcards", but if the machines do not even recognize the soundcards i guess the whole approach is mot. That it did not work with SCSI does not necessarily mean that it will not work with a soundcard?
What do you think will the adapter recognize old PCI soundcards?
Hi, I'm using the same adapter and it has a problem it is badly designed, it has missing two caps on TX pair from the chip and there are two redundant capacitors on RX signals (PCIe has only AC on the transmitted signals). This leads some PC chipsets to ignore the device. If you put two caps serialy on the wires at the transmitter side it should start to work. Also the board can supply less than 5 watts to the PCI cards (both PCI cards can together take up to 50 watts). The SATA power blocks any long card, no matter if angled or not.
I've been thinking about getting this. Mostly, I want to add USB 3.0 to my Dell Optiplex 3010 SFF, and the GT 710 card I'm using blocks the PCI-1X slot. From what I gather else where, this expansion slot accessory won't run advanced GPUs.
Also, I'm looking for a external case for this.
The reason why the amd board did not show the adaptec bios is because its booting in uefi mode, which does not configured correctly to boot in legacy bios mode, which the pci card expects.
Some old PCI & ISA card need -12V (on the 1st PCI pin) to work, so you can expect most RS232 or old Soundcard would probably not work with that adapter.
The card is a 64 bit PCI X controller
Hmm, not sure if I would trust long term use for large cards, due to the power draw without using on onboard power. [ Looking at other modules the same, it seems it want's a SATA power connector]
the newer pcs may need pci-e set to a lower version in the bios
Just try another slot in the first machine even if is a pcie x4 etc. Sometimes you get conflicts in one slot with things on the MoBo and X board would fail in that one then works in another. Is why PnP is still called Plug and Pray after 25 years.
Those are mining risers... but yes they tend to work for randomness. :) You will need to enable 4G decoding for some systems. Intels are a little more finiky for that. Depends on the bios. Also, for higher power devices, you need to connect the sata cable for devices that need larger amounts of power.