This just goes to show Humans are naturally prone to sharing and loving each other, it’s only when an authority figure pops in, that he/she divides and manipulates
@@refundreplayyes of course, but it still doesn’t take away from the main point. When resources are plentiful it allows our higher brain functions to take control, what we really are as humans, what makes us unique as opposed to animals. But when it’s scarce survival instincts take over and our lower “less developed” brain functions take charge.
Nature itself is prone to co-operation. Evolution doesn't occure without necessity, and cooperation among lifeforms is necessary. Conflict among lifeforms is not. A world of total abundance would breed no predators. Sounds fantastically idealistic, but humans have already proved it possible. We do compete and we do war, but it can be arranged. Most individuals spend a lifetime without so much as an impulse to cause serious harm. A world purely of cooperation is theoretically possible. A world purely of conflict is not. Life would form, not less thrive.
Ironically enough, it looks like Santiago's constant antagonizing might've been one major factor in bringing the group together, as they all had hating him in common.
I saw an interview with a woman who had escaped from N. Korea to the south. When asked if she missed anything about N. Korea, she said she missed the camaraderie. In N. Korea, everyone was going through hard times under a crazy ruler and it brought people together. S. Koreans did not have those challenges or the bonds.
@@fulanichild3138 "S. Koreans did not have those challenges or the bonds." South Koreans were also under a dictatorship for a long time and struggled together against it.
The participants all had something big in common: they were all the sort of person who signs up to drift across the ocean in a raft for a science experiment. That's not your average person!
This is what I thought immediately. You wouldn't expect a CEO to do this, and you wouldn't expect a single parent living paycheck-to-paycheck to do this either. This "experiment" was flawed from the jump!
Beyond even the trip itself, they are all people who would be willing to sign up to a science experiment. You’re unlikely to get a true range of people from society, i theorise the most toxic participants in society would probably not be interested in any volunteering activity whatsoever. This would pre-dispose the actual selection pool of people applying for this experiment with much higher qualities than the average person that Santiago was looking for. So he may have the results he theorised if he’d selected from a truly open pool of people. Interesting experiment nonetheless.
I think the ''insecure'' is wholy misperception: it's actually so that men want to take charge because they're less swayed by emotions, have higher stress tolerance, systematic* thinking (thus strategising), etc.
@@particleconfig.8935 The raft faced three crises. The rudder, the storm, the ship. In each case, there was a woman who would nominally be responsible for handling it. In each case, Santiago asserted his own primacy, then handled the situation like a useless fool who might have gotten them all killed. He comes across as being far more swayed by his emotions, less tolerant of stress, and less systematic in his thinking than the diver and captain, who were women.
I wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't on the very minds of the crew when discussing the idea of murder. As much as Santiago deserved comeuppins, he didn't deserve to have his point proven. Even against himself.
Yeah, we at work have recently managed to lose a ignorant narcissist senior manager, who got so corrosive as to bring himself into question of his senior managers (for once). But in the way of management, moved sideways out of the way, and as might be not much of a surprise to many, an ex-police officer.😐
Another thing to remember is this is almost purely propaganda, and what the pros call "selling a narrative". Did anyone stop to think about the boats that were accompanying the raft? The narrator seems blissfully unaware. How does anyone really know whether or not the crew "contemplated killing Santiago, and thinking of a way to make it look like an accident"? Does this sound like a fine group of upstanding individuals? Have any of you ever contemplated killing your ignorant narcissist senior manager before? I think this experiment unveiled a bit more than just the alleged strange behaviors of people who were wanting and willing to participate in a psychological experiment on a raft in the middle of an ocean. Just saying🙄
@@Rick-the-Swift "Have any of you ever contemplated killing your ignorant narcissist senior manager before?" Not seriously. BUT, if we had to put up with him 24 hours a day on a boat in the middle of the Atlantic, after it became obvious he was trying to get US to KILL EACH OTHER, it could certainly become an option.
It's almost like humans have spent hundreds of thousands, if not millions of years living in small groups with tight bonds and supporting each other to survive and got very good at it over time.
@@RoachChaddjr Even if the need for survival was involved, even in the most difficult enviroment... banding together in a small group with tight bond & working together to survive was basically what our ancestors did. If it would have always resulted in violence like what this sadistic Santiago had in his twisted mind, there would have been no civilization today.
It's weird, because if Santiago had just studied himself rather than the test subjects, he would have found a pretty satisfactory answer to his question.
It’s fascinating how Santiago actually managed to figure out exactly how he could create world peace: make different kinds of people live together, and give them a common enemy (himself). Truly, a man dedicated to peace
The most intriguing part of the Acali’s story, to me, is just how the roles were reversed. The man who intended to create problems created peace, and in turn that peace caused him frustration. It’s a weird but admirable story.
"some people just want other people to fight" that is what we call a stochastic terrorist and unfortunately they are currently a thirst for all of the profit driven media when bigger issues and better ideas are being discussed elsewhere. We entertain ourselves to death. But there is hope when the shit hits the fan, like a solar event destroying even shielded electronics, I think people will still work together and help their neighbors how to garden farm and livestock until it's time to arm up and defend that gas refinery from that muscle head war lord and his mohawked crew of recreational vehicle owners and their tragically mod boyfriends.
Well, he had a reason. You might not think it was a worthy reason, but that's different from no reason at all. He was deeply troubled by the violence in the world. He wanted to find out why violence happened, so that he could stop it. He did the best he could think of, but it didn't produce results. When people give it their best to the things they care deeply about, but it fails spectacularly, people tend to become frustrated. Accepting that his best wasn't enough would mean he wouldn't solve the problem of violence (who would've thought, eh?) So he refused to accept it, and it led him to evil. Still, in the end, he did NOT resort to violence, the worst he did was being a terrible person to everyone else, which is not that bad compared to what people have done throughout history. In his mind, being a terrible person was not a big price to pay if that meant getting rid of violence in the world. This actually shows one of the roots of evil - people with good intentions struggling to accept that they can't solve everything, which leads them down the path of trying increasingly desperate solutions, until one day they find themselves in the abyss and wonder how did it ever come to this. As the proverb says, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions".
Little did anyone realize that the real experiment was about how groups of strangers become tighter and more trusting when they have a common enemy in a position of authority/power. Santiago was the martyr the world didn't deserve.
This is the same theory that was used in the Watchmen comic Where the antagonist decides that the only way the world countries would stop waring with each other, would be by having a common invincible enemy.
It’s so ironic that Santiago wanted all of the passengers to become violent, but as the experiment progressed, you see how he became the violent and aggressive one. Absolutely hilarious (yet terrifying)
Maybe he was projecting his feelings onto others and looking for affirmation through the results of an experiment. He was so sure it would exceed, that when it didn’t, he couldn’t believe what was happening and tried to influence the others around him to think the way that he was. He was sure a seed he planted here and there would lead down a path of violent behaviour.
His experiment did work. He found out what made humans aggressive, he did get violence and aggression on the boat but only with one person himself. He found out that violence and aggression is caused when someone has an agenda or motive that they want to happen one way and no other way, when someone wants to be in control of situations and others that is what cases violence and anger in himself.
His experiment didn't work because there was ample provision and he was on board - almost in a quantum physics kind of way, being there as an observer changes the outcome of the observation. Because he's there, they feel like there is a chaperone, and there is no responsibility to provide their own food, shelter etc. The only real way for this experiment to work would be to abduct the people and maroon them, otherwise as long as they know there is a set term & they are safe and provided for, there will obviously not be any squabbles until an extended period of time has elapsed.
One factor that seemed to be ignored is that they had enough food for themselves already. And it wasn't impossible to capture foods from the ocean with the participants. Lack of basic food creates a massive difference.
Seems like he discovered what I've always called "The Summer Camp Effect" When a group of strangers are isolated together for an extended period of time, friendships and relationships tend to grow at an accelerated rate compared to normal society
Same thing when joining the military. After a week or two one tends to gravitate toward certain people, forming friendships that often last a lifetime.
The part about the woman escaping an abusive relationship on the raft and the African woman feeling connected to her ancestors with the voyage was so sweet
Self-discovery is rarely bad, dude. Good for her for being able to zoom out of the issues in her life so that she sees how small they are. Whether or not it really was her fault, any relationship that makes someone feel bad is unhealthy, and she escaped that.
@@davidowens5898 Can you timestamp for me the part where she took responsibility for her own life decisions that culminated in her landing on that raft ? Thank you in advance.
This experiment reached a conclusion. It showed how too often the wrong people are in control but if good people come together, they can overcome the malicious intents of a violent, power hungry coward of a leader.
Good assessment! I also read somewhere psychopaths and their undying need for control, propels them into leadership positions. Probability is on their side, henceforth, large numbers of psychopaths are in control of many organizations. A test should be created to assess brain chemistry of candidates.
You say this and so I then need to ask you..... These "wrong" people you speak of, do you think the leaders of modern corporations should be included or excluded? I'll give you 3 examples. Disney Microsoft Dyson
I had the honor to personally meet Maria, the captain, a year ago. She still got it by the way, met her on one of the old cultural sailboats (a schooner) here in Sweden. Turns out she was the first female Swede to be officially a captain of a ship and already had formidable experience, crazy how Santiago got her into this mess. She was kind of pissed that her name has almost become synonymous with this social experiment instead
I love that you put “Sex Raft” in the thumbnail, both mirroring the media’s sensational version of the story and taking advantage of clickbait to share a more wholesome story
Yeah this is a smart clickbait. You see first the words "Sex raft" but then you see "restore faith in humanity". Both are on opposite ends so we get curious on how those two sentences correlates.
the fact that it said sex raft kept me away from the video many times youtube recommend it to me, after long the faith in humanity built up enough curiosity
That is because Santiago was such an interfering trouble maker, trying to make other people fight with each other. He is lucky they did not lock him in his cabin or drop him off on an island.
I think he proved that left to our own devises given the ability to communicate we will find a way to work thing out. Violence comes from evil people working behind the scenes manipulating us.
Interesting detail from The Guardian: "Overthrown, Genovés retreated below deck and collapsed into depression, made worse by news on the radio that his university wanted to be dissociated from the scandalous Sex Raft headlines. While lying there he started to cry for the first time since childhood and had an existential epiphany, writing: “Only one has shown any kind of aggression and that is me, a man trying to control everyone else, including himself.” The detached scientist had gone on a Conradian journey, ultimately realising that the heart of darkness was inside him."
Turns out, it was good and therapeutic for him. Maybe losing his career and credibility was worth it in comparison. But then, he'd have to start again, hopefully, this time, with better insight into who he was and what he had been capable of.
Santiago: "I want to find a way to make people live in peace and make love" People: (live in peace and make love) Santiago: "No not like that, you are supposed to kill each other"
@@rubenlarochelle1881 because of society itself. It was built upon a competition between countries, but now competition has moved on the lowest lvl possible. You may expect wars should restore unity, but this is not a case. We need actually destroy society and rebuild it anew, otherwise it will remain hostile environment.
That’s something I always thought in post apocalyptic media:) sure, some groups would fight over scarce resources, but that’s all you ever see 🤷🏻♀️ One of the first tricks human kind learned is how to work together 😂 we are spongy, fragile little creatures and our intelligence and cooperation were our only saving grace. Tribalism exists in humans to an irrational degree (for example, sport fans), and some groups would be working together, taking care of each other, and rebuilding 🙃 it’s what we do, it’s how we got to this point in the first place!
You know, Santiago basically failed the whole thing before it even started. 1: Instead of viewing his experiment as a way to gather data, he just really wanted it to conform to his biases. He simply wasn't open to any alternative outcomes that might disprove his thesis. 2: He tampered with his own experiment. Even if the endresult actually reflected what he thought should happen, it would all be worthless if that outcome was only achieved by manipulating things to go that way. A significantly more reasonable set-up for the experiment would have been for him to not be present on the raft at all, instead accompanying it on a separate vessel and only meeting up occasionally to distribute and retrieve questionnaires. Either way, his thesis was largely bogus. Sex may occasionally lead to violence but that is largely contextual. A balanced group like the one he decided to bring aboard, which had all their needs met, had no reason to break into violence. A less diverse cast with more simulat needs and preferences might actually have carried more potential for conflict as there might have been some competition involved, though even then it's unlikely. Humanity has spent most of its time on this planet travelling around in small, close-knit groups and if such circumstances had great potential for violence, we would never have had much success as a species. Violence generally is a result of stress, competition, scarcity and badly adapted cultural concepts.
And, shockingly, humans are not chimps. Certainly not in our sexuality and treatment of hierarchies. Humans can endure circumstances of extreme privation without resorting to violence. People have often died en masse in famines without attacking each other for resources.
Couldn't have phrased it better myself. As someone who has read up on several experiments on psychology and human behaviour, the moment the narrator said that the bare necessities have been met, his experiment was a failure. IIRC there was a Russian island that was used to imprison people under much worse conditions resulting in an outbreak of violence and cannibalism. Edit: Found it. Nazino tragedy
Santiago was trying to figure out why he had sadistic tendencies himself. He twisted his understanding of reality to try and justify his own inner demons. He wanted a moment where he could look at others and say, yes you're all like me when the chips are down, but unfortunately for him, most people aren't born with his Machiavellian emotionally-manipulating survival skillset. I was, so I understand him. Those nice people on the raft gave him a shot at becoming a better person by their example. I hope he took it.
Nah. Man's too stupid and unlikeable to be any sort of Machiavellian. The whole point is be feared while trying to be loved, all Santiago inspired was hatred and contempt. He's the sort of guy Cesare Borgia would release as a prisoner because he's sure to do more damage to his enemies once he's back at camp.
It's really cool that you admit, readily, your own bad tendencies. I do the same personally. Once we humans recognize the shifty parts of us we can then do better
Yea what a vibe… all them years of evolution n conscious decision making all just to sit on a raft for 100 days n be manipulated to resort back to Neanderthal type behavior 🤣🤣 thank god they “overcame” it😭
@@daquandavis5498 they seemed pretty happy to go back to "neanderthal behavior" and I think it would be healthy for a lot of people to get away from the modern world once in a while.
Santiago is conplete delusional scientists thinkinh humans would act like monkeys, so he wasted ton of time and money on thsi scientific experiment.😂 Its that monkeys use violence and agression to show dominance, so their more easily able to get females, but its not human behvaiour, when humans are more intelligent, so they dont need that much dominance anymore to try get the females.
If you want to drive people in to violence make them all work every day and there still not be enough food and stuff to go arround, it is in harsh economic conditions that people take care of their own first and have nothing left over for others, if not out right need plunder from others to take care of their own.
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I have done two winter expeditions where we had to share confined spaces in a tent, while melting snow and other chores. We had to travel in a single file while on cross country skis to save energy; the person at the front flattens the snow for everyone else. The group dynamic in the first expedition was terrible and in the second expedition was great. It was the constellation of personalities, not the circumstances, that made all the difference.
Wait, so he made an abundant temporary getaway in a welcome setting, with hot dudes and competent women - and that was supposed to cause conflict? And also there were more women than men. And one of the men was celibate, and his profession was basically a community counsellor (the priest). It sounds to me like he inadvertently made one of the social circles least likely to devolve into violence. And then he accidentally gave them a common foe to unite against (himself), so there was even less likelihood of internal conflict.
Interesting that you mentioned sexual competition being a major catalyst for conflict. It is well known fact. Currently in Ireland our EU led government are transplanting hundreds of military age male migrants in to small Irish towns and villages which has almost immediately caused and increase in violent and sexually motivated crimes. The media is silent and anyone who speaks out is labeled a racist. It's amazing how ignorant politicians are in relation to human nature and how unlikely they are to survive popular civil unrest.
I’ve always HATED being in large groups even with people I know. It’s always made me so uncomfortable. Yet, when I went on a 1 week tip to the mountains of Tennessee with a group of strangers, I came out of it loving people like I never loved before. This is the second time it’s happened to me. It’s incredible how the human brain is wired to INSTANTLY join in on the group of people you’re living with and how easy it is to form a great team.
@@HeroOfPandasnaw.. I'm pretty introverted as well, but I think when everyone is experiencing something new together we naturally find common ground, I've also had similar experiences, and after I've settled into a place for awhile eventually revert back to being uncomfortable in large groups again
Crazy how the perverted violent element he theorized and craved throughout this entire trip was literally him. Edit : so that's how it feels to have a liked comment.To clarify, i'm surprised a certified psychologist could not consider his own observer's bias earlier on throughout such a long journey. But can you imagine if everybody had just enough self-awareness to come back from every moment they've made errors of judgement with humility and awareness ? It's candid i know but i feel (and maybe that is my own bias) as though understanding the ways in which we can all be neglectful of other's viewpoint in favor of our own, could really help society devellop a more civilized discourse, and that could help A LOT. (If you've come this far thank you for reading me.)
The Stamford Prison Experiment and the Milgram Experiment also didn't happen like the popular stories said. It took considerable pushing by the experimenters to get the subjects to overcome their resistance to abusive behavior. "Can you make people do it?" is a completely different question than "Will people do it if not held back?"
yes it's crazy how the Stanford Prison Experiment is completely uncredible and has been the entire time but no one seems to acknowledge it. Last semester one of my college classes textbook had a whole section on it. I mentioned to the teacher that the study had been disproven and she just sort of brushed me off, I guess just because it's such a well known study.
@@MarenWilder Also, his wife was the one who saw how crazy his orders were getting and snitched him out. I'm starting to realize, experiments in social /psychology have a bit of bias to them and inaccuracy if "the environment is made in a way to produce" the hypothesis results or get the hypothesis results disproven instead of leading to random chances.
So if it were just Tucker Carlson and Rachel Maddow, what would happen? Would each of their holier-than-thou snark combine to cause their raft to ignite and combust?
I've found most of these 'Social Experiments' from the 60s, 70s & beyond were usually quite bizzare, really creepy, or downright sadistic. They usually said more about the perversion of the lead Scientist than any real human failings. Like most reality TV producers, I guess.
@@aaronmichaelmusic_ just like now, if it was labelled 'research' and/or a tv/film camera was involved, then yes. It's funny how the presence of a camera suddenly makes nothing illegal or immoral.
You hit it in the head dude,.. the principle: "a point of view of the world, that tells you more about the person making the point, rather than anything true about the world" is what applies to this Santiago hack.
Sounds like a certain political demographic in play now that is doing everything it can to try and get decent people to fight with each other over really stupid things. Everyone with any functional brains at all can see right through their games and does nothing.
It shows that people are naturally inclined to cooperate with each other. It's heart-warming how they essentially turned against the biggest jerk on the boat XD
Small group of people with a common issue. There can't be a more solid group. What about doing this experiment with a huge group of people in a place where there are no common problems? The result might be interesting. Oh, that's society!
I mean they were just on a raft with plenty of food water and stuff and it was same number of men and women. What are they even supposed to fight over other than petty "i dont like that guy" only real problems they had were things like fix the boat weather the storm , dont crash eith anothet ship basically something they will all work together on. For actual conflict there needs to be bigger group, conflicting interests and propbably limited resources in some way ppl arent idiot savages to fight over nothing(well in survival kind of situation you have plenty ppl fighting over bs in relaxed situations)
- believes sex is the cause of violence - wants to test his theory - develops a scenario where there are more women than men which reduces the sexual competition between men 😂 darwin award for science
@@qq84 i dont think this experiment would be destined to end up in violence in any case, but more men than women seems to be the logical choice in order to create competition and animosity between the men. its rarely women who incite violence and war.
Pretty sure most people know about the book Lord of the Flies, where school boys were trapped on a deserted island for months and reverted to savagery and barbarianism. How many know of the real life "lord of the flies" when in 1965 a group of boys ages 15-18 ended up being stranded on a small speck in the pacific ocean, Ata island, for 15 months. The real life version couldn't be more different from the novel. Once they were found they were in good health, formed a democracy of sorts, and even crafted a fishing pier and running track.
_Lord of the Flies_ was written to convey William Golding's passionate belief that men are inherently cruel, and women are superior. I think he was just wrong about that. Men _are_ more physically violent (because of testosterone and cultural conditioning) but both men and women demonstrate similar levels of cruelty.
yeh lord of the flies is a good book. but its just not the way that kind of thing goes. small groups especially when in trouble bond much more than they fall apart.
As a ex US Navy sailor with multiple deployments under my belt the results of this story do not surprise me in the slightest: comraderies like this crew experienced back then happen to tens of thousands of people every year in the worlds Navies.
This happens any time you put a small group together in the face of shared adversity. It even has a name "Unit Cohesion". It becomes stronger the greater the level of shared adversity.@@catalindeluxus8545
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He could have still published the results, I am sure there were new things about human behavior that could have been studied further. But he was not in tune with what was actually happening, he was more interested in the results he wanted
legit even though it sorta is consider "failed" experiment cleary there still something to study like how maybe it not the end of the result . Something like that
He published the book "Acali" (several editions in Spanish) and "The Acali experiment" in English. You can search "Acali book". By the way, the author's name used for the book is Santiago Genoves. In this video the author mentions Santiago Tarazaga, which is the second surname (in Spanish names the surname from the father & mother are used, so the complete name is Santiago Genoves Tarazaga). All books are used & some of them quite expensive.
10 years ago, I was in hospital for 3 months, and against all odds, it was a wonderful time because I spent all day long with the same people and we grew very close. This experience was absolutely transformative for me and everybody should make it once in their life. Sadly, when I got discharged, we grew apart just as quickly as we had grown close.
Same i was in a mental rehab 2 years ago for two months. One of the best times in my life no joke. Never felt so close to people, sadly i have only contact with one of them....
Yeah, shared adversity tends to bring people together, not pull them apart. It's generally only when one person tries to assert authority over the group and the group rejects that authority that they fracture.
Perhaps. Depends how sociable you are. I would hate to be around friends for three months straight and I actually hope that situation never happens to me.
Because you were all on same level with same condition, BUT if somebody from you would get better or better condition than you would see different environment for 100% 😎👌
Imagine if Santiago's antics got so bad that the crew decided to kill him. That would've been some absolutely juicy irony. Santiago wanted to turn people against each other, and in trying to do so he turned them against himself.
Except this experiment shows that we don't need a common enemy. They were getting along fine before Santiago started causing problems. And they got along fine after they dealt with him and he secluded himself.
@@Yusuf1187 I'd wager that some of us don't but most people just regress to the mean and re-adjust to expect the new level of comfort - whatever that may be. I have faith in humanity, just not Hume's mob. ;)
My summary of this video: A project was made to find peace through conflict. There was no conflict, just peace. The Researcher got mad at the peace, and tried to make conflict. It only drew the participants closer together. My thoughts: I don’t think Santiago realized it, but his project did succeed to a degree. He himself, became the conflict that plagued his participants, and through that, they grew closer, defied authority, and worked together to survive.
The true summary of this video: TH-camr lacking formal education in a topic gives a shallow and ignorant take on a true social experiment. Santiago realized it, Santiago's entire goal was to become hated. When the participants of the raft were able to build community, he wrote questionnaires to establish himself as the villain, and made increasing efforts to become a villain for them to band against. He didn't just hop over to the raft and say sexist remarks for fun, he didn't mope and laze around for fun, he didn't make racist remarks for fun, he didn't go from villain to fake illness for fun. Every. Single. Bit. Of. It. was an effort to manipulate the subjects. It's so incredibly naive to think that the guy who dedicated his life to these studies, Santiago, wouldn't know how to continue to manipulate his own experiment.
@@ELeviathan33who should I trust? A trusted youtuber who has shown to get his information from trustable sources and also shows no malice or agenda in his informative videos OR some random guy on the internet trying to belittle him for no reason?
@@ELeviathan33any experiment where your trying that hard to manipulate the outcome is void anyway, that’s not how science works and it’s almost funny you would make such an argument when the man himself realized what a fool he had been and did several interviews and reflections after saying so.
How hard could it really be if a woman was able to do it? Same thought process made him think he could be captain. Same thought process is why woman all over the world still get paid less for the same effort and have it harder to climb the cooperate ladder. Sadly there are still enough Santiagos around today.
I'm pausing this at 5:00 to say: Experiments with a particularly desired outcome seems like an icky way to conduct science. There's a line between hypothesis, what you expect will happen, and actually wishing or contriving a particular outcome. Perhaps the rest of the video delves into this.
It still happens today in medicine when people want a medication to fail or succeed. You can modify many factors including dosage and timing. You can also throw out potential harms by having a doctor decide the drug did not do it!!
It's tempting to see all the people on the raft becoming friends as the main takeaway from this story, but don't forget that Santiago, who was supposed to be the most educated and open-minded of the group failed to see any good in their bonding and instead could not stop dreaming of violence breaking out and literally made them obey him against their own safety "Some men, just want to see the world burn"
Open minded? Did you forget the blatently racist and sexist stuff he said? Besides that going against the orders of the captain and putting everyone in danger.
Just another (added to the millions we already had) reminder that lots of education does not necessarily make a non-horrible person. Some would say just the opposite; it's probably major fuel for the "coastal elites" idea.
It’s because he was obsessed with finding the cause of human violence, and he just tunnel visioned on that. He privately experienced what has happened many other times in history to science at large regarding other topics. The scientist goes too far with his research and ends up doing awful things. I think he was genuinely convinced that he could find a universal cause of human violence and could come up with some solution for peace. He just didn’t realize how fundamentally flawed that is. Think of how many things in human history have resulted in wars. Religion. Pride. Greed. Essential resources (of which there are money). Ideology. Racism and general prejudice. Even a simple history of hostility has been enough, rather than anything in current day. Human conflict on the macro scale really has nothing to do with sex. It hardly even does on the micro scale, at this level of civilization anyway. Our most primal reason for conflict is resources, but even then nowadays it’s for more complicated things like oil, rather than basic things like food or water (though that has never been irrelevant). Our reasons for conflict today are more sophisticated. Ideology. Religion. Historical animosity and control over world events.
I'm no psychologist but I saw a video about this: being in a rare scenario with a few people creates a strong bond, while being in a very everyday scenario with a bunch of people doesn't. A good example is air travel. Usually you don't talk to nearly anyone at the airport or on your flight, but when it's significantly delayed, it's a completely different story. When flights get delayed for a long time, people start talking, taking care of each other, sharing food and stuff. Really bonding. Same with life threatening situations. One would think that when a building catches on fire, people would panic and run over each other, just to save their butts. But in reality, that's when you see the most brave and heroic actions, like going back in to save someone. Where I'm going with this is that his hypothesis for this "experiment" should have been that they would just become really a really close friend group, like a family, because they have so much in common. However I think this was quite recently found out and probably wasn't well known during this.
I wonder ... what was Santiago's plan IF violence broke out aboard the ship? You mentioned that the crew, after the apex of Santiago's provocations, at least thought about murdering him. A group that was obviously in harmony and rather tried to silence the only threat to their peaceful coexistence. If they DID start to fight ... why would they leave him alone? They'd still remember the provocative questionnaires
His plan was to masturbate furiously. It was very evident by every detail of the plan and action taken on his journey that it was all a sexual adventure and he wanted a visual of some dark fantasy but instead got reality and got pissy about being blueballed and losing his lifes work of being a pervert (an easy thing to do in that time period)
I actually think his presence helped them get along better. The fact that they even considered killing him suggests the feelings were really extreme. If they had any issues they could blame him rather than their friends. I’ve seen this behavior over and over again- having an out group helps people get along better
Eventually he functioned as a scapegoat that got the group closer, the violence he so much seeked ended all up directed at him (even though not acted upon)
the whole idea to create a situation that you _expected_ to descend into violence... on a small ocean going craft that you cannot escape from... is really, really not good, so I'm glad it didn't happen and everyone else had a great time!
Yeah, like, what was his plan for when violence broke out?? Just lock himself in his room? Assume he was exempt from danger???? He was hoping to make murderers out of innocents and still somehow remain totally unharmed. like bro
Surprisingly heartwarming! This is exactly how you’d hope the story would turn out: pseudo-scientist’s evil experiment is foiled by everlasting friendship 🥰
This guy is only able because he has the US penology pharmacologist's, and other deep-state actors, supporting him financially and morally. Santiago is following order's, and Psychiatry has always been about "policing" the thought's of people, rather helping the individual. If you look into the DSM you will see NO chemistry or math. But we do have "artificial intelligence", and robot's acting as Manchurian Candidates.
Is anyone actually surprised by the outcome? All their basic needs were met, there was a favorable ratio of men to women, and they were encouraged to "get it on". Moreover, all incentives to fight (e.g. land, money, status) were stripped away. Unfortunately, few of us live in conditions so well engineered for peace and fornication and instead rely upon some institutional leviathon to quash the violence that inevitably arises.
You are just like the jerk making the experiment. People live in degraded positions because of the institutional leviathon. People know how to get along. It takes kings, queens, and captains of industry to make things miserable.
Goes to show you just how convinced he was that violence would naturally spawn. The environment he created seems perfect to create cohesion. All the problems are universal. "Get fish" "weather the storm" "repair the rudder"
@@Vileplume87 his mistake was that he chose decent professional people not late 20 early 30 something year old Middle School dropouts with hard bodies and Third Reich levels of inflated views of themselves. But I guarantee you we could walk into Nat Geo or MTV 1 - Latin, or the History Channel or TLC and pitch the show and get greenlit with funding the same day LOL and thanks to the precedent that shows like Flora-Bama have set, not evacuating the cast during a natural disaster is par for the course. "If you liked crab Fishers yukon gold prospectors, North Dakota frackers, and ice Road Truckers you're going to love hurricane rafters"!
Yes! I've known a few guys who shared his fantasy of the natural state of humans as an everyone for themselves violent sex competition where only the lone alpha dominates the females. Ironically all the people who believe this are physically weak nerds from well-off families.
Also, if your goal is to study physical aggression arising from sexual competition, it makes no sense to put more women than men on the boat. Since men are generally more promiscuous and more violent. That makes me suspect that he was just contriving a situation where attractive women had to spend time with him.
Goes to show exactly why we as a species and societies should avoid putting sociopaths and psychopaths in places of authority. Would be interesting to see if the crew of this raft wrote to each other years after the events.
Another point as to why this wasn't very scientific: if he theorised that competing for sex made men violent... why would you put 6 women and 4 men on the raft? Make it 2 women and 8 men and you might see competition.
My hypothesis is that when a majority of men cant get a girlfriend society colapses, so make it 10 men 4 women. Also such small comunities will function anyway, I can live without a girlfriend if I have close friends and getting rid of them wont be able to get anyone else. And actually lack of monogomy woks in such small situations also, every woman can have sex 3 or 4 men and all should be happy, for not knowing if a kid is yours or not doesnt matter if you know they are all kids of the tribe, all adults take care of all children works in small comunities. The problem with large societies is lack of cohesion. I would not kill my best friend to take his girlfriend, nobody would, but most people kill a total stranger if it was their only hope at ever having sex. And the more people there are the less worth every individual life is.
@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 you're probably right about this, but you can't perfectly boil down the whole society to a small experiment group. So it's always gonna be a little bit of stretch, yet the overall jist could be the same
Santiago did not get the results he expected, but he did get results. He just didn't understand them. People bond as a means of survival. They gravitate towards each other and contribute as a way to get along. We also learned something else that's important. Educating an unintelligent person, is like watering sand. It gets wet, it dries and still nothing grows.
You're right, people bond for survival reasons. I guess this is why people are less likely to bond in very large groups like in cities and feel more alone and isolated even though there are many people in the group.
Thats what all hollywood apocalipse movies get wrong, at first there would be chaos as without industrial traide links the massive city population simply could not be fed, but after the first winter when most die off life would be very peaceful for the survivors who will just farm, fish and hunt away, happy if they cant get more hands to help on the farm. There might be the occasional bandit but they too will die off as those who live by the sword die by the sword its not like any farmer would give up his food without a fight and the bandit can get lucky and win only so many times.
@@yasininn76 I'm saying that you can't. That a person without intelligence, is like sand without seeds and that no amount of education will produce intelligence.
I thought the same, except being more of the violent person he was looking for (violent towards narcissistic abusers like him & willing to be violent for self-preservation) I thought just chuck him overboard since he was clearly trying to kill everyone or get them killed - self-defence...but yes, I suppose locking him up would be best, just less satisfying.
As a former member of the US Navy, I was on an aircraft carrier and the ocean is awe inspiring. It’s beautiful and terrifying. Of course they pulled together and helped each other survive it’s what sane people do
He actually figured out the recipy for world peace: Small groups, competent members, relaxed and engaging environment, shared goals, plenty of food, 2:1 ratio of women to men, and spiritual leadership.
@@erustownsend9790 this would be very easy to accomplish in the real world. but the 1% would stop being the 1%. and generally billionaires don't want to loose their billions. greed is what stops this from happening
Another thing to keep in mind is that the constant sun exposure probably helped boot their vitamin D levels, which does have an impact on mood and makes you happier. If he'd set this study in a cottage somewhere in the mountains or an arctic base, maybe things would've been a little different. It also seems like the researcher just got jealous of how well the subjects were getting along while he was stuck on the outskirts, so he tried to ruin it out of spite. Probably the first incel.
He's like the writers of all these apocalypse movies expecting the worse in human behavior when in reality when a disaster happens people tend to come together and help each other.
The whole point of a real apocalipse is that even if everyone works together most will still die, the problem is that after the great masses die off the remaining will again have enough recources and so peace and order will return unlike in the holywood movies where the chaos is permanent. Also following the survivors youre not gona follow arround some clueless city dwellers who wander arround amelessly but rather rural farmers farming and driving off bandits.
@@Astromath That depends on the society. If it is a hierarchical society riddled with ultra-individualism, then yes. An egalitarian society without much power and wealth consolidation would probably break up in smaller communities that can better manage themselves.
In the beginning yes, but as soon as resources become very scarce, people will have to become egoistic for survival. Hunger will also make people more aggressive.
I worked for a woman who was exactly like Santiago. Her employees bound together and had her fired. It wasn’t hard. She/Santiago made it easy. Controlling and inept.
A better experiment would've been to put a larger group in isolation with more limited resources (so that if they work together everyone would be fine but if someone wanted more they could try and take it). This would be a bit more accurate of depicting the world.
That might have been the only thing Santiago did correctly. As much as he wanted violence to break out, he was trying to prove that sex would lead to conflict, so he provided all their basic needs in order to isolate sex as the only possible cause for conflict.
Thanks for the video. In the beginning, I was really worried it was going to turn into a horrific and sick story, but it turned out to be a wonderful story that shows the real human nature when you remove all the stress of modern world.
Real human nature can be seen under the pressure of the modern world also. Humans are friendly when everyone has food, sex and stuff, humans are violent when they cant get what they need. Its very simple really.
It occurs to me that one of the key elements is that the people were prepared to deal with the situation. The only person who actually devolved into more "baseline instincts" was the one person who was unprepared to do his job: Santiago himself.
From this experience, we can conclude that most people are good and peaceful but there is always someone who causes problems and ignites the violence because he wants things to go as he wants , like this Santiago
Perhaps the "problem" of the experiment was Santiago himself, who, by constantly confronting the group, gave them a sense of unity and common enemy that they might not have obtained otherwise.
This just goes to show Humans are naturally prone to sharing and loving each other, it’s only when an authority figure pops in, that he/she divides and manipulates
@@StripesFxYTpractically, yea. I agree that racism is an inherited trait after birth.
I don't think history bears this out.
Yes, when resources are plentiful we are kind. Try this with hungry people
@@refundreplayyes of course, but it still doesn’t take away from the main point. When resources are plentiful it allows our higher brain functions to take control, what we really are as humans, what makes us unique as opposed to animals. But when it’s scarce survival instincts take over and our lower “less developed” brain functions take charge.
Nature itself is prone to co-operation. Evolution doesn't occure without necessity, and cooperation among lifeforms is necessary. Conflict among lifeforms is not. A world of total abundance would breed no predators. Sounds fantastically idealistic, but humans have already proved it possible. We do compete and we do war, but it can be arranged. Most individuals spend a lifetime without so much as an impulse to cause serious harm.
A world purely of cooperation is theoretically possible. A world purely of conflict is not. Life would form, not less thrive.
Idk, they're all adults l, feel like nurture will of had plenty of time to take hold here. And always will for these sort of experiments.
if he'd been a tv producer instead of a scientist he would've been wildly successful
Boom
This is almost tragic. The man was ahead of his time.
Funny you should say that. There is a reality TV game show that just started airing on HBO Max recently that is loosely based on this experiment.
The only thing missing is that he needed to purposely select for confrontational, unlikable people, and then offer them a million dollar prize.
He was no scientist. What he did was unscientific from the very first moment. You're not a scientist if what you do isn't science.
Ironically enough, it looks like Santiago's constant antagonizing might've been one major factor in bringing the group together, as they all had hating him in common.
I saw an interview with a woman who had escaped from N. Korea to the south. When asked if she missed anything about N. Korea, she said she missed the camaraderie. In N. Korea, everyone was going through hard times under a crazy ruler and it brought people together. S. Koreans did not have those challenges or the bonds.
He was the jews
@@carlosdelsol76 I love how the first 2 replies of this comment is a touchey subject of humanity and the other is calling Santiago a Jew.
@@fulanichild3138 "S. Koreans did not have those challenges or the bonds."
South Koreans were also under a dictatorship for a long time and struggled together against it.
@@cormano64 Indeed. But that ended 35 years ago, an entire generation did not experience life under dictatorship.
The participants all had something big in common: they were all the sort of person who signs up to drift across the ocean in a raft for a science experiment. That's not your average person!
Very true
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This is what I thought immediately. You wouldn't expect a CEO to do this, and you wouldn't expect a single parent living paycheck-to-paycheck to do this either. This "experiment" was flawed from the jump!
thats true
Beyond even the trip itself, they are all people who would be willing to sign up to a science experiment.
You’re unlikely to get a true range of people from society, i theorise the most toxic participants in society would probably not be interested in any volunteering activity whatsoever.
This would pre-dispose the actual selection pool of people applying for this experiment with much higher qualities than the average person that Santiago was looking for.
So he may have the results he theorised if he’d selected from a truly open pool of people.
Interesting experiment nonetheless.
Santiago: "I make a woman captain, that will surely make any insecure man revolt."
Also Santiago: "How dare that woman tell me what to do!?"
so hilarious!!
actually that makes sense, he thought other will be insecure as he is.
lmao exactly, Santiago was an incel before incels even existed
I think the ''insecure'' is wholy misperception: it's actually so that men want to take charge because they're less swayed by emotions, have higher stress tolerance, systematic* thinking (thus strategising), etc.
@@particleconfig.8935 The raft faced three crises. The rudder, the storm, the ship. In each case, there was a woman who would nominally be responsible for handling it. In each case, Santiago asserted his own primacy, then handled the situation like a useless fool who might have gotten them all killed. He comes across as being far more swayed by his emotions, less tolerant of stress, and less systematic in his thinking than the diver and captain, who were women.
Imagine an alternate timeline where the group did plot to kill him. He would’ve ironically gotten his wish.
why?
@@peterdolving7129did watching the video not answer your question
I wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't on the very minds of the crew when discussing the idea of murder. As much as Santiago deserved comeuppins, he didn't deserve to have his point proven. Even against himself.
They did plot to kill him but chose not to according to the video
@@ellisjackson3355 according to Santiago
Another thing is that having a clear antagonist really helps social cohesion. He torpedoed his own experiment.
Well said! Totally agree!
Yeah, we at work have recently managed to lose a ignorant narcissist senior manager, who got so corrosive as to bring himself into question of his senior managers (for once). But in the way of management, moved sideways out of the way, and as might be not much of a surprise to many, an ex-police officer.😐
Another thing to remember is this is almost purely propaganda, and what the pros call "selling a narrative". Did anyone stop to think about the boats that were accompanying the raft? The narrator seems blissfully unaware. How does anyone really know whether or not the crew "contemplated killing Santiago, and thinking of a way to make it look like an accident"? Does this sound like a fine group of upstanding individuals?
Have any of you ever contemplated killing your ignorant narcissist senior manager before?
I think this experiment unveiled a bit more than just the alleged strange behaviors of people who were wanting and willing to participate in a psychological experiment on a raft in the middle of an ocean. Just saying🙄
@@Rick-the-Swift
"Have any of you ever contemplated killing your ignorant narcissist senior manager before?" Not seriously. BUT, if we had to put up with him 24 hours a day on a boat in the middle of the Atlantic, after it became obvious he was trying to get US to KILL EACH OTHER, it could certainly become an option.
@@Rick-the-Swiftpropaganda for what?
It's almost like humans have spent hundreds of thousands, if not millions of years living in small groups with tight bonds and supporting each other to survive and got very good at it over time.
There wasn't any survival involved. They had more than enough food and a qualified staff to deal with any problems.
@@RoachChaddjr so they were put in an Eden scenario and the scientist was baffled that no conflict occured.
Apes together strong.
It’s almost like this comment isn’t compatible to this video…
@@RoachChaddjr Even if the need for survival was involved, even in the most difficult enviroment... banding together in a small group with tight bond & working together to survive was basically what our ancestors did.
If it would have always resulted in violence like what this sadistic Santiago had in his twisted mind, there would have been no civilization today.
It's weird, because if Santiago had just studied himself rather than the test subjects, he would have found a pretty satisfactory answer to his question.
Brilliantly said 💯😆
Guy tried to create hell and ended up with a utopia
It’s fascinating how Santiago actually managed to figure out exactly how he could create world peace: make different kinds of people live together, and give them a common enemy (himself).
Truly, a man dedicated to peace
Yes, he discovered that the true secret to world peace is a 3:2 female-male ratio.
dr manhattan had the same idea
basically a real life Lelouch
@@Randomkloud my favorite anime
Ozymandias not de manhattan
The most intriguing part of the Acali’s story, to me, is just how the roles were reversed. The man who intended to create problems created peace, and in turn that peace caused him frustration. It’s a weird but admirable story.
a good plot for a comedy villain
Could it be that all it takes to cause conflict is just one irritating, trouble-maker that instigates problems?
The most intriguing part is, how long they all put up with his bs.
@@johnny4aces410not according to this experiment. His actions didn't seem to affect their friendship
@@nekhumonta I think that you are confusing dissension and friendship.
He caused the former, they caused the latter.
he wanted to find the reason behind human violence
well he found it
some people just want other people to fight.... for no reason at all
He should have just went to Candy Land
@@refundreplaythe advetures of flapjack candyland? Or the slave platation candy land?
"some people just want other people to fight" that is what we call a stochastic terrorist and unfortunately they are currently a thirst for all of the profit driven media when bigger issues and better ideas are being discussed elsewhere. We entertain ourselves to death. But there is hope when the shit hits the fan, like a solar event destroying even shielded electronics, I think people will still work together and help their neighbors how to garden farm and livestock until it's time to arm up and defend that gas refinery from that muscle head war lord and his mohawked crew of recreational vehicle owners and their tragically mod boyfriends.
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Well, he had a reason. You might not think it was a worthy reason, but that's different from no reason at all.
He was deeply troubled by the violence in the world.
He wanted to find out why violence happened, so that he could stop it.
He did the best he could think of, but it didn't produce results.
When people give it their best to the things they care deeply about, but it fails spectacularly, people tend to become frustrated.
Accepting that his best wasn't enough would mean he wouldn't solve the problem of violence (who would've thought, eh?)
So he refused to accept it, and it led him to evil.
Still, in the end, he did NOT resort to violence, the worst he did was being a terrible person to everyone else, which is not that bad compared to what people have done throughout history.
In his mind, being a terrible person was not a big price to pay if that meant getting rid of violence in the world.
This actually shows one of the roots of evil - people with good intentions struggling to accept that they can't solve everything, which leads them down the path of trying increasingly desperate solutions, until one day they find themselves in the abyss and wonder how did it ever come to this.
As the proverb says, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions".
Little did anyone realize that the real experiment was about how groups of strangers become tighter and more trusting when they have a common enemy in a position of authority/power. Santiago was the martyr the world didn't deserve.
Yep -- it's interesting to wonder if Santiago hadn't been so awful, would they be more likely to find enemies within the group?
This is the same theory that was used in the Watchmen comic
Where the antagonist decides that the only way the world countries would stop waring with each other, would be by having a common invincible enemy.
@@nagysamuel2575warhammer 40k uses this theory too
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Was thinking the exact same but cannot add anything smart here anymore. 😁
It’s so ironic that Santiago wanted all of the passengers to become violent, but as the experiment progressed, you see how he became the violent and aggressive one. Absolutely hilarious (yet terrifying)
Santiago saw what he wanted to see in people and was disappointed when it didn’t actually happen in his experiment !! 😄
If you've ever seen the TV show community, this is a classic case of the Duncan Principle 😂
and the only violence they considered was against Santiago lol
Maybe he was projecting his feelings onto others and looking for affirmation through the results of an experiment. He was so sure it would exceed, that when it didn’t, he couldn’t believe what was happening and tried to influence the others around him to think the way that he was. He was sure a seed he planted here and there would lead down a path of violent behaviour.
He kinda embodies a "Gonzo Science" approach.. 😂
Santiago reminds me of a villain that tries his hardest to cause chaos but ends up causing world peace
And your pfp reminds me of that game I use to play when I was a kid
Like jewws
Kind of like if one Ruler wages war on a neighbour but the neighbours friends all rally round to help
Kinda like Lost In Space
Scientist takes 10 hot people on a cruise, all food provided, presumably pays them - "WHY ARE THEY ENJOYING THEMSELVES?!?"
😂😂😂
😂😂
His experiment did work. He found out what made humans aggressive, he did get violence and aggression on the boat but only with one person himself. He found out that violence and aggression is caused when someone has an agenda or motive that they want to happen one way and no other way, when someone wants to be in control of situations and others that is what cases violence and anger in himself.
Exactly!
His experiment didn't work because there was ample provision and he was on board - almost in a quantum physics kind of way, being there as an observer changes the outcome of the observation. Because he's there, they feel like there is a chaperone, and there is no responsibility to provide their own food, shelter etc.
The only real way for this experiment to work would be to abduct the people and maroon them, otherwise as long as they know there is a set term & they are safe and provided for, there will obviously not be any squabbles until an extended period of time has elapsed.
That's a nice way of looking at it
ah so narcissists and sociopaths are running the government? well i suppose that isn't exactly news now that i think of it...
There would have been more if everyone didn't have all their needs attended to. That was the largest flaw in this experiment
One factor that seemed to be ignored is that they had enough food for themselves already. And it wasn't impossible to capture foods from the ocean with the participants. Lack of basic food creates a massive difference.
That's a great point. Santiago would definetly have been murdered if that had been the case
@@ellendallanora7404So true
I agree. Santiago needed to have stressors that weren't tied to anyone on the "raft".
Among a group of complete strangers, sure. By the end of the experient, it probably wouldn't have mattered as much as you seem to think.
But the thesis Santiago had that the main factor leading to violence is wanting to fuck
Seems like he discovered what I've always called "The Summer Camp Effect"
When a group of strangers are isolated together for an extended period of time, friendships and relationships tend to grow at an accelerated rate compared to normal society
It is almost as though we are naturally equipped to work together and resolve challenges and conflicts for preservation.
This is actually the best way to make friends, spend time together working on some common goal or project
Same thing happens in basic training for the military.
Or Minecraft
Same thing when joining the military. After a week or two one tends to gravitate toward certain people, forming friendships that often last a lifetime.
The part about the woman escaping an abusive relationship on the raft and the African woman feeling connected to her ancestors with the voyage was so sweet
Self-discovery is rarely bad, dude. Good for her for being able to zoom out of the issues in her life so that she sees how small they are. Whether or not it really was her fault, any relationship that makes someone feel bad is unhealthy, and she escaped that.
@@HomelessWhiteMaleStartingOvera Well. OK. You only missed the point by a few miles. Not to worry........
@@davidowens5898 Can you timestamp for me the part where she took responsibility for her own life decisions that culminated in her landing on that raft ? Thank you in advance.
@@HomelessWhiteMaleStartingOvera "Yes, the victim mentality"
Your post and your user name suggests that it's you that has a victim mentality.
@@HomelessWhiteMaleStartingOvera what?
This experiment reached a conclusion. It showed how too often the wrong people are in control but if good people come together, they can overcome the malicious intents of a violent, power hungry coward of a leader.
Good assessment! I also read somewhere psychopaths and their undying need for control, propels them into leadership positions. Probability is on their side, henceforth, large numbers of psychopaths are in control of many organizations. A test should be created to assess brain chemistry of candidates.
Preach! 🙌
You say this and so I then need to ask you.....
These "wrong" people you speak of, do you think the leaders of modern corporations should be included or excluded? I'll give you 3 examples.
Disney
Microsoft
Dyson
@calencrawford2195 Agreed E5
This dude just did a terrible job at doing it and didn't plan it at all.
I had the honor to personally meet Maria, the captain, a year ago. She still got it by the way, met her on one of the old cultural sailboats (a schooner) here in Sweden. Turns out she was the first female Swede to be officially a captain of a ship and already had formidable experience, crazy how Santiago got her into this mess. She was kind of pissed that her name has almost become synonymous with this social experiment instead
Did she talked about the others on the shp, namely; are they still friends?
What other accomplishments have she acquired besides being the first female swede to become captain? Also, do you have any articles about her?
@@betrion7 with some of them she keeps contact; they recently released a documentary featuring interviews of them in present day
@@tonyvice6661616 Cool, thanks.
*She a baddie*
I bet Santiago could fill an entire grocery store with the amount of cherry picking he was doing
LMAO
Ohohoho damn
😂😂😂😂
Santiago is like the type of DM in dnd who force everyone to play a certain way
I love that you put “Sex Raft” in the thumbnail, both mirroring the media’s sensational version of the story and taking advantage of clickbait to share a more wholesome story
I’m glad I’ve been clickbaited. Did you see the rogue boob?
Clickbait done right
Yeah this is a smart clickbait. You see first the words "Sex raft" but then you see "restore faith in humanity". Both are on opposite ends so we get curious on how those two sentences correlates.
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the fact that it said sex raft kept me away from the video many times youtube recommend it to me, after long the faith in humanity built up enough curiosity
It is too funny that they finally started to consider getting truly violent, all of them, but only with Santiago.
thats the type of sentiment we need in society
@@apolo2177 if we knew the Santiagos in society the world would be a much better place
That is because Santiago was such an interfering trouble maker, trying to make other people fight with each other. He is lucky they did not lock him in his cabin or drop him off on an island.
I think he proved that left to our own devises given the ability to communicate we will find a way to work thing out. Violence comes from evil people working behind the scenes manipulating us.
The friend-ship
🤓 you still get your comment liked but you're a 🤓
@@GreasyOaf nah, I'm more of a dork than a nerd
@@gloomybunny2628
*_CHOOSE YOUR CHARACTER:_*
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@@GreasyOafcause he made a pun?
@@IamINERT yea, you act like you bore witness to me flaggelating them with a whip. I just called them a nerd and liked the comment lol.
This guy basically created a Navy and was shocked when they worked together to insure each other's survival.
Interesting detail from The Guardian: "Overthrown, Genovés retreated below deck and collapsed into depression, made worse by news on the radio that his university wanted to be dissociated from the scandalous Sex Raft headlines. While lying there he started to cry for the first time since childhood and had an existential epiphany, writing: “Only one has shown any kind of aggression and that is me, a man trying to control everyone else, including himself.” The detached scientist had gone on a Conradian journey, ultimately realising that the heart of darkness was inside him."
Actually quite insightful.
Turns out, it was good and therapeutic for him. Maybe losing his career and credibility was worth it in comparison. But then, he'd have to start again, hopefully, this time, with better insight into who he was and what he had been capable of.
his shadow integrated
Beautifully sayd
Is fascinating and also great he got something from it, this detail elevates him from pantomime villain status 😮
Santiago: "I want to find a way to make people live in peace and make love"
People: (live in peace and make love)
Santiago: "No not like that, you are supposed to kill each other"
this would never work in the real society tho
@@Skankhunt668 Why?
@@rubenlarochelle1881 because of society itself. It was built upon a competition between countries, but now competition has moved on the lowest lvl possible. You may expect wars should restore unity, but this is not a case. We need actually destroy society and rebuild it anew, otherwise it will remain hostile environment.
That’s something I always thought in post apocalyptic media:) sure, some groups would fight over scarce resources, but that’s all you ever see 🤷🏻♀️
One of the first tricks human kind learned is how to work together 😂 we are spongy, fragile little creatures and our intelligence and cooperation were our only saving grace. Tribalism exists in humans to an irrational degree (for example, sport fans), and some groups would be working together, taking care of each other, and rebuilding 🙃 it’s what we do, it’s how we got to this point in the first place!
@@heyhoe168Society was built upon a competition between countries?!? Wtf, in what freakingly sick country do you live?
You know, Santiago basically failed the whole thing before it even started.
1: Instead of viewing his experiment as a way to gather data, he just really wanted it to conform to his biases. He simply wasn't open to any alternative outcomes that might disprove his thesis.
2: He tampered with his own experiment. Even if the endresult actually reflected what he thought should happen, it would all be worthless if that outcome was only achieved by manipulating things to go that way. A significantly more reasonable set-up for the experiment would have been for him to not be present on the raft at all, instead accompanying it on a separate vessel and only meeting up occasionally to distribute and retrieve questionnaires.
Either way, his thesis was largely bogus. Sex may occasionally lead to violence but that is largely contextual.
A balanced group like the one he decided to bring aboard, which had all their needs met, had no reason to break into violence.
A less diverse cast with more simulat needs and preferences might actually have carried more potential for conflict as there might have been some competition involved, though even then it's unlikely.
Humanity has spent most of its time on this planet travelling around in small, close-knit groups and if such circumstances had great potential for violence, we would never have had much success as a species.
Violence generally is a result of stress, competition, scarcity and badly adapted cultural concepts.
or people like me who have an extreme hatred for most people =]
@@marcussmith4913 missing out lol, people are great
And, shockingly, humans are not chimps. Certainly not in our sexuality and treatment of hierarchies.
Humans can endure circumstances of extreme privation without resorting to violence. People have often died en masse in famines without attacking each other for resources.
An experiment within an experiment of human psychology, interesting!
Couldn't have phrased it better myself. As someone who has read up on several experiments on psychology and human behaviour, the moment the narrator said that the bare necessities have been met, his experiment was a failure. IIRC there was a Russian island that was used to imprison people under much worse conditions resulting in an outbreak of violence and cannibalism.
Edit: Found it. Nazino tragedy
Santiago was trying to figure out why he had sadistic tendencies himself. He twisted his understanding of reality to try and justify his own inner demons. He wanted a moment where he could look at others and say, yes you're all like me when the chips are down, but unfortunately for him, most people aren't born with his Machiavellian emotionally-manipulating survival skillset. I was, so I understand him. Those nice people on the raft gave him a shot at becoming a better person by their example. I hope he took it.
The thing is the chips were never down😂 it was a free vacation for them
This is a very insightful comment, thank you.
Nah. Man's too stupid and unlikeable to be any sort of Machiavellian. The whole point is be feared while trying to be loved, all Santiago inspired was hatred and contempt. He's the sort of guy Cesare Borgia would release as a prisoner because he's sure to do more damage to his enemies once he's back at camp.
It's really cool that you admit, readily, your own bad tendencies. I do the same personally. Once we humans recognize the shifty parts of us we can then do better
Dude really pulled a Freud on us.
What a vibe this must’ve been. Chilling with some strangers, fishing eating together and sometimes casually hooking up with each other.
just walk my friend
Yea what a vibe… all them years of evolution n conscious decision making all just to sit on a raft for 100 days n be manipulated to resort back to Neanderthal type behavior 🤣🤣 thank god they “overcame” it😭
@@daquandavis5498 what do you mean by this?
@@daquandavis5498bro what are you on about?
@@daquandavis5498 they seemed pretty happy to go back to "neanderthal behavior" and I think it would be healthy for a lot of people to get away from the modern world once in a while.
Santiago: "My experiment will surely drive these test subjects to violence."
Humanity: "Congratulations, you played yourself."
Santiago is conplete delusional scientists thinkinh humans would act like monkeys, so he wasted ton of time and money on thsi scientific experiment.😂 Its that monkeys use violence and agression to show dominance, so their more easily able to get females, but its not human behvaiour, when humans are more intelligent, so they dont need that much dominance anymore to try get the females.
If you want to drive people in to violence make them all work every day and there still not be enough food and stuff to go arround, it is in harsh economic conditions that people take care of their own first and have nothing left over for others, if not out right need plunder from others to take care of their own.
@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 I despise the fact that you got a point
@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714then they'll just have a common enemy and a valid reason to get rid of that common enemy.
No sponsors, no nonsense, just a pure interesting documentary like story. Loved every minute of it.
Yes, very well written and presented. ( This comment is brought to you by Nord VPN and Raid: Shadow Legends .)
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@@woozy7405 That was so smooth I wouldn't even mind lmao
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“In the shadow of Santiago, they were all basically legends... speaking of which-
I have done two winter expeditions where we had to share confined spaces in a tent, while melting snow and other chores. We had to travel in a single file while on cross country skis to save energy; the person at the front flattens the snow for everyone else. The group dynamic in the first expedition was terrible and in the second expedition was great. It was the constellation of personalities, not the circumstances, that made all the difference.
Wait, so he made an abundant temporary getaway in a welcome setting, with hot dudes and competent women - and that was supposed to cause conflict? And also there were more women than men. And one of the men was celibate, and his profession was basically a community counsellor (the priest). It sounds to me like he inadvertently made one of the social circles least likely to devolve into violence. And then he accidentally gave them a common foe to unite against (himself), so there was even less likelihood of internal conflict.
Based take. Santiago got cucked hard.
Hot? Must have missed that…
Interesting that you mentioned sexual competition being a major catalyst for conflict. It is well known fact. Currently in Ireland our EU led government are transplanting hundreds of military age male migrants in to small Irish towns and villages which has almost immediately caused and increase in violent and sexually motivated crimes. The media is silent and anyone who speaks out is labeled a racist. It's amazing how ignorant politicians are in relation to human nature and how unlikely they are to survive popular civil unrest.
hahahaha👍🤣
Well they're "supposed" to fight for hot women...
I’ve always HATED being in large groups even with people I know. It’s always made me so uncomfortable. Yet, when I went on a 1 week tip to the mountains of Tennessee with a group of strangers, I came out of it loving people like I never loved before. This is the second time it’s happened to me. It’s incredible how the human brain is wired to INSTANTLY join in on the group of people you’re living with and how easy it is to form a great team.
Autism?
You worded out really well, something I have experienced as well but never really thought about it that way.
@@HeroOfPandasnaw.. I'm pretty introverted as well, but I think when everyone is experiencing something new together we naturally find common ground, I've also had similar experiences, and after I've settled into a place for awhile eventually revert back to being uncomfortable in large groups again
Was this a NOLS trip? I went to one in Utah that changed my life
grow a pair!!!
Crazy how the perverted violent element he theorized and craved throughout this entire trip was literally him.
Edit : so that's how it feels to have a liked comment.To clarify, i'm surprised a certified psychologist could not consider his own observer's bias earlier on throughout such a long journey.
But can you imagine if everybody had just enough self-awareness to come back from every moment they've made errors of judgement with humility and awareness ?
It's candid i know but i feel (and maybe that is my own bias) as though understanding the ways in which we can all be neglectful of other's viewpoint in favor of our own, could really help society devellop a more civilized discourse, and that could help A LOT.
(If you've come this far thank you for reading me.)
It's a very frequent phenomenon.
Psychological projection
everybody was like "I need to kill this psycho bastard"
every philosophy ever
subconscious projection lol
The Stamford Prison Experiment and the Milgram Experiment also didn't happen like the popular stories said. It took considerable pushing by the experimenters to get the subjects to overcome their resistance to abusive behavior.
"Can you make people do it?" is a completely different question than "Will people do it if not held back?"
yes it's crazy how the Stanford Prison Experiment is completely uncredible and has been the entire time but no one seems to acknowledge it. Last semester one of my college classes textbook had a whole section on it. I mentioned to the teacher that the study had been disproven and she just sort of brushed me off, I guess just because it's such a well known study.
@@MarenWilder Also, his wife was the one who saw how crazy his orders were getting and snitched him out.
I'm starting to realize, experiments in social /psychology have a bit of bias to them and inaccuracy if "the environment is made in a way to produce" the hypothesis results or get the hypothesis results disproven instead of leading to random chances.
santiago is literally that raging soyjack going "noooooo you're supposed to hate each other!"
Tears and everything...
So basically, like the mainstream media?
So if it were just Tucker Carlson and Rachel Maddow, what would happen? Would each of their holier-than-thou snark combine to cause their raft to ignite and combust?
I've found most of these 'Social Experiments' from the 60s, 70s & beyond were usually quite bizzare, really creepy, or downright sadistic. They usually said more about the perversion of the lead Scientist than any real human failings. Like most reality TV producers, I guess.
They are so weird because ethics wasn’t really a standard or benchmark back then if you think about it. They could get away with so much.
@@aaronmichaelmusic_ just like now, if it was labelled 'research' and/or a tv/film camera was involved, then yes. It's funny how the presence of a camera suddenly makes nothing illegal or immoral.
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Ethics are the training-wheels put on by adults in place of thinking.
You hit it in the head dude,.. the principle: "a point of view of the world, that tells you more about the person making the point, rather than anything true about the world" is what applies to this Santiago hack.
Sounds like a certain political demographic in play now that is doing everything it can to try and get decent people to fight with each other over really stupid things.
Everyone with any functional brains at all can see right through their games and does nothing.
It shows that people are naturally inclined to cooperate with each other. It's heart-warming how they essentially turned against the biggest jerk on the boat XD
Small group of people with a common issue. There can't be a more solid group. What about doing this experiment with a huge group of people in a place where there are no common problems? The result might be interesting. Oh, that's society!
@@pietrosmusi2410 You're right. It really helps when people have a common issue and are equal to each other. :)
@@marek9081 and I'm no scientist :)
yeah, so true.... I find that when I take the time to TALK with people on the 'other side' of my politics, we are not that far apart at all.
I mean they were just on a raft with plenty of food water and stuff and it was same number of men and women. What are they even supposed to fight over other than petty "i dont like that guy" only real problems they had were things like fix the boat weather the storm , dont crash eith anothet ship basically something they will all work together on. For actual conflict there needs to be bigger group, conflicting interests and propbably limited resources in some way ppl arent idiot savages to fight over nothing(well in survival kind of situation you have plenty ppl fighting over bs in relaxed situations)
Nothing brings a group together better than a common enemy
- believes sex is the cause of violence
- wants to test his theory
- develops a scenario where there are more women than men which reduces the sexual competition between men 😂
darwin award for science
lmfao fr
😂😂
that was my first thought, i was expecting there to be one or two women outnumbered to men
@@damani1711 Even less women then men wouldn't cause violence.
@@qq84 i dont think this experiment would be destined to end up in violence in any case, but more men than women seems to be the logical choice in order to create competition and animosity between the men. its rarely women who incite violence and war.
Pretty sure most people know about the book Lord of the Flies, where school boys were trapped on a deserted island for months and reverted to savagery and barbarianism. How many know of the real life "lord of the flies" when in 1965 a group of boys ages 15-18 ended up being stranded on a small speck in the pacific ocean, Ata island, for 15 months. The real life version couldn't be more different from the novel. Once they were found they were in good health, formed a democracy of sorts, and even crafted a fishing pier and running track.
I knowxthe story of those boys
That's fascinating! I have to read a book about this immediately. Any recommendations?
I always hated that book. Good to know the real one didn't happen that way.
_Lord of the Flies_ was written to convey William Golding's passionate belief that men are inherently cruel, and women are superior.
I think he was just wrong about that. Men _are_ more physically violent (because of testosterone and cultural conditioning) but both men and women demonstrate similar levels of cruelty.
yeh lord of the flies is a good book. but its just not the way that kind of thing goes. small groups especially when in trouble bond much more than they fall apart.
As a ex US Navy sailor with multiple deployments under my belt the results of this story do not surprise me in the slightest: comraderies like this crew experienced back then happen to tens of thousands of people every year in the worlds Navies.
Story time?
This happens any time you put a small group together in the face of shared adversity. It even has a name "Unit Cohesion". It becomes stronger the greater the level of shared adversity.@@catalindeluxus8545
@@catalindeluxus8545 That depends. You want a true story or a good story? The Navy taught me well.
@@aZX14blurr either way, if you have one you'd like to share please do
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He could have still published the results, I am sure there were new things about human behavior that could have been studied further. But he was not in tune with what was actually happening, he was more interested in the results he wanted
Exactly, that's not proper science
legit even though it sorta is consider "failed" experiment cleary there still something to study like how maybe it not the end of the result . Something like that
He published the book "Acali" (several editions in Spanish) and "The Acali experiment" in English. You can search "Acali book". By the way, the author's name used for the book is Santiago Genoves. In this video the author mentions Santiago Tarazaga, which is the second surname (in Spanish names the surname from the father & mother are used, so the complete name is Santiago Genoves Tarazaga). All books are used & some of them quite expensive.
@@fernandonavarro3839wow, that's actually really cool about the surnames.
10 years ago, I was in hospital for 3 months, and against all odds, it was a wonderful time because I spent all day long with the same people and we grew very close. This experience was absolutely transformative for me and everybody should make it once in their life. Sadly, when I got discharged, we grew apart just as quickly as we had grown close.
Same i was in a mental rehab 2 years ago for two months. One of the best times in my life no joke. Never felt so close to people, sadly i have only contact with one of them....
Yeah, shared adversity tends to bring people together, not pull them apart. It's generally only when one person tries to assert authority over the group and the group rejects that authority that they fracture.
That's exactly how my stay in a hospital was. It's crazy how adaptive and resilient human are
Perhaps. Depends how sociable you are. I would hate to be around friends for three months straight and I actually hope that situation never happens to me.
Because you were all on same level with same condition, BUT if somebody from you would get better or better condition than you would see different environment for 100% 😎👌
Imagine if Santiago's antics got so bad that the crew decided to kill him. That would've been some absolutely juicy irony. Santiago wanted to turn people against each other, and in trying to do so he turned them against himself.
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Twilight zone moment
"there was nothing violent happening at all". I think, maybe, the shark felt differently...
Humanity is great at banding together... against a perceived common enemy.
Except this experiment shows that we don't need a common enemy. They were getting along fine before Santiago started causing problems. And they got along fine after they dealt with him and he secluded himself.
@@Yusuf1187 I'd wager that some of us don't but most people just regress to the mean and re-adjust to expect the new level of comfort - whatever that may be. I have faith in humanity, just not Hume's mob. ;)
My summary of this video: A project was made to find peace through conflict. There was no conflict, just peace. The Researcher got mad at the peace, and tried to make conflict. It only drew the participants closer together.
My thoughts: I don’t think Santiago realized it, but his project did succeed to a degree. He himself, became the conflict that plagued his participants, and through that, they grew closer, defied authority, and worked together to survive.
The true summary of this video: TH-camr lacking formal education in a topic gives a shallow and ignorant take on a true social experiment.
Santiago realized it, Santiago's entire goal was to become hated. When the participants of the raft were able to build community, he wrote questionnaires to establish himself as the villain, and made increasing efforts to become a villain for them to band against.
He didn't just hop over to the raft and say sexist remarks for fun, he didn't mope and laze around for fun, he didn't make racist remarks for fun, he didn't go from villain to fake illness for fun. Every. Single. Bit. Of. It. was an effort to manipulate the subjects.
It's so incredibly naive to think that the guy who dedicated his life to these studies, Santiago, wouldn't know how to continue to manipulate his own experiment.
@@ELeviathan33 how do you know that
@@ELeviathan33who should I trust? A trusted youtuber who has shown to get his information from trustable sources and also shows no malice or agenda in his informative videos OR some random guy on the internet trying to belittle him for no reason?
@@AntVaz7”a trusted youtuber” 🤣
@@ELeviathan33any experiment where your trying that hard to manipulate the outcome is void anyway, that’s not how science works and it’s almost funny you would make such an argument when the man himself realized what a fool he had been and did several interviews and reflections after saying so.
Santiago is essentially me whenever I play a sim game.
Power trippin huh
He 100% would remove the ladder from the pool after the Sim gets in it
What he wanted: Lord of the Flies
What he got: Star Trek
I can't imagine what Santiago thought he was going to do after diving underwater with no diving experience
He is sick....very sick
How hard could it really be if a woman was able to do it? Same thought process made him think he could be captain. Same thought process is why woman all over the world still get paid less for the same effort and have it harder to climb the cooperate ladder. Sadly there are still enough Santiagos around today.
I'm pausing this at 5:00 to say: Experiments with a particularly desired outcome seems like an icky way to conduct science. There's a line between hypothesis, what you expect will happen, and actually wishing or contriving a particular outcome.
Perhaps the rest of the video delves into this.
I caught the same thing. Good call...
Great call, but I don't recall the rest of the video going into it at all
Science cannot be as subjective as you.
It still happens today in medicine when people want a medication to fail or succeed. You can modify many factors including dosage and timing. You can also throw out potential harms by having a doctor decide the drug did not do it!!
Explains why social science in modern academia is such an icky thing.
It's tempting to see all the people on the raft becoming friends as the main takeaway from this story, but don't forget that Santiago, who was supposed to be the most educated and open-minded of the group failed to see any good in their bonding and instead could not stop dreaming of violence breaking out and literally made them obey him against their own safety "Some men, just want to see the world burn"
Open minded? Did you forget the blatently racist and sexist stuff he said?
Besides that going against the orders of the captain and putting everyone in danger.
@@solsystem1342read again, then edit your post. You made a reading mistake, it happens.
Ugh, I imagine he even felt smug about it afterwards for "creating" their friendship
Just another (added to the millions we already had) reminder that lots of education does not necessarily make a non-horrible person. Some would say just the opposite; it's probably major fuel for the "coastal elites" idea.
It’s because he was obsessed with finding the cause of human violence, and he just tunnel visioned on that. He privately experienced what has happened many other times in history to science at large regarding other topics. The scientist goes too far with his research and ends up doing awful things.
I think he was genuinely convinced that he could find a universal cause of human violence and could come up with some solution for peace. He just didn’t realize how fundamentally flawed that is.
Think of how many things in human history have resulted in wars. Religion. Pride. Greed. Essential resources (of which there are money). Ideology. Racism and general prejudice. Even a simple history of hostility has been enough, rather than anything in current day.
Human conflict on the macro scale really has nothing to do with sex. It hardly even does on the micro scale, at this level of civilization anyway. Our most primal reason for conflict is resources, but even then nowadays it’s for more complicated things like oil, rather than basic things like food or water (though that has never been irrelevant).
Our reasons for conflict today are more sophisticated. Ideology. Religion. Historical animosity and control over world events.
I'm no psychologist but I saw a video about this: being in a rare scenario with a few people creates a strong bond, while being in a very everyday scenario with a bunch of people doesn't. A good example is air travel. Usually you don't talk to nearly anyone at the airport or on your flight, but when it's significantly delayed, it's a completely different story. When flights get delayed for a long time, people start talking, taking care of each other, sharing food and stuff. Really bonding. Same with life threatening situations. One would think that when a building catches on fire, people would panic and run over each other, just to save their butts. But in reality, that's when you see the most brave and heroic actions, like going back in to save someone.
Where I'm going with this is that his hypothesis for this "experiment" should have been that they would just become really a really close friend group, like a family, because they have so much in common. However I think this was quite recently found out and probably wasn't well known during this.
I wonder ... what was Santiago's plan IF violence broke out aboard the ship?
You mentioned that the crew, after the apex of Santiago's provocations, at least thought about murdering him. A group that was obviously in harmony and rather tried to silence the only threat to their peaceful coexistence.
If they DID start to fight ... why would they leave him alone? They'd still remember the provocative questionnaires
he didn't have a plan and didn't think ahead lol
And that's exactly what made him recoil and self-implode.
There's a saying about sitting in the same boat, wonder if he ever heard of it.🥲
His plan was to masturbate furiously.
It was very evident by every detail of the plan and action taken on his journey that it was all a sexual adventure and he wanted a visual of some dark fantasy but instead got reality and got pissy about being blueballed and losing his lifes work of being a pervert (an easy thing to do in that time period)
I actually think his presence helped them get along better. The fact that they even considered killing him suggests the feelings were really extreme. If they had any issues they could blame him rather than their friends. I’ve seen this behavior over and over again- having an out group helps people get along better
Well, he was an idiot on multiple levels
choosing the path of violence and creating the grounds for peace by mistake is just mwahhh! chefs kiss
Eventually he functioned as a scapegoat that got the group closer, the violence he so much seeked ended all up directed at him (even though not acted upon)
Nobody:
Absolutely nobody at all:
Santiago: Look at me. I'm the captain now.
the whole idea to create a situation that you _expected_ to descend into violence... on a small ocean going craft that you cannot escape from... is really, really not good, so I'm glad it didn't happen and everyone else had a great time!
Yeah, like, what was his plan for when violence broke out?? Just lock himself in his room? Assume he was exempt from danger???? He was hoping to make murderers out of innocents and still somehow remain totally unharmed. like bro
Surprisingly heartwarming! This is exactly how you’d hope the story would turn out: pseudo-scientist’s evil experiment is foiled by everlasting friendship 🥰
THE POWER OF FRIENDSHIP!
Perhaps the real experiment was the friends we made along the way 🥹✨️
Of course he could have simply looked at thousands of years of records of peaceful voyages of somewhat similar people at sea.
It sounds like a Hallmark movie, lol!
This guy is only able because he has the US penology pharmacologist's, and other deep-state actors, supporting him financially and morally. Santiago is following order's, and Psychiatry has always been about "policing" the thought's of people, rather helping the individual. If you look into the DSM you will see NO chemistry or math. But we do have "artificial intelligence", and robot's acting as Manchurian Candidates.
Is anyone actually surprised by the outcome? All their basic needs were met, there was a favorable ratio of men to women, and they were encouraged to "get it on". Moreover, all incentives to fight (e.g. land, money, status) were stripped away. Unfortunately, few of us live in conditions so well engineered for peace and fornication and instead rely upon some institutional leviathon to quash the violence that inevitably arises.
The male-to-female ratio was backwards if conflict was his intended outcome.
Yeah it's kinda weird that there wasn't just one woman. His setup wasn't actually right for testing his hypothesis
You are just like the jerk making the experiment. People live in degraded positions because of the institutional leviathon. People know how to get along. It takes kings, queens, and captains of industry to make things miserable.
Goes to show you just how convinced he was that violence would naturally spawn.
The environment he created seems perfect to create cohesion. All the problems are universal. "Get fish" "weather the storm" "repair the rudder"
One of best short documentary on TH-cam ever. Thanks for sharing it
They remained friends throughout their life. What a wholesome experience
Dude reminds me of a real-life Zapp Brannigan
Without any of the charm that Zapp portraits, dude lacked all rizz.
I would’ve enjoyed being on a well equipped raft with a small group of people for 180 days, it sounds like a fun and interesting adventure
I was wondering why 8:45 was by far the most replayed point… until I replayed it. Lmao.
AHHAA i had to pause when i heard that and rewind lmao because i couldn't believe what i just heard
@@AbdulRahman-vy7kono no… its not what is said… its what is shown…m😂
youtube slips sometimes
As the great Norm MacDonald might have said about Santiago, "he was a real jerk."
The worst thing about him was the hypocrisy
@@hazyhalfmoon not a Norm fan eh?
@@hazyhalfmoon he used that line several times for different people
It sounds like Santiago was trying to make a killer reality TV show
Should’ve waited a few years and proposed this idea to TLC or something
@@Vileplume87 his mistake was that he chose decent professional people not late 20 early 30 something year old Middle School dropouts with hard bodies and Third Reich levels of inflated views of themselves. But I guarantee you we could walk into Nat Geo or MTV 1 - Latin, or the History Channel or TLC and pitch the show and get greenlit with funding the same day LOL and thanks to the precedent that shows like Flora-Bama have set, not evacuating the cast during a natural disaster is par for the course. "If you liked crab Fishers yukon gold prospectors, North Dakota frackers, and ice Road Truckers you're going to love hurricane rafters"!
Chad and Stacy party boat funded by an angry incel 😂
Now _THAT_ is a news story I'd read!
The incel should have taken the Stoic pill.
Yes! I've known a few guys who shared his fantasy of the natural state of humans as an everyone for themselves violent sex competition where only the lone alpha dominates the females. Ironically all the people who believe this are physically weak nerds from well-off families.
Also, if your goal is to study physical aggression arising from sexual competition, it makes no sense to put more women than men on the boat. Since men are generally more promiscuous and more violent. That makes me suspect that he was just contriving a situation where attractive women had to spend time with him.
LOL so accurate
Scientific principles aside, bro forgot that nothing unites the heroes like a villain
Goes to show exactly why we as a species and societies should avoid putting sociopaths and psychopaths in places of authority. Would be interesting to see if the crew of this raft wrote to each other years after the events.
I actually heard this story elsewhere, and I heard that they do all meet up and hang out every now and then!
we should avoid putting ANYONE in places of authority
yeh nice mate that makes heaps of sense👍@@hammou1312
@hammou1312 not possible. Nice thought though
@@hammou1312You can't explain communism with one senten- oh wait.
they all united against a common enemy : the failed god Santiago
Another point as to why this wasn't very scientific: if he theorised that competing for sex made men violent... why would you put 6 women and 4 men on the raft? Make it 2 women and 8 men and you might see competition.
The two remaining men can have sex with each other
That's what I thought, although my idea was 7 & 3.
Also, it would probably need to be a longer period of time, at least 6 months, preferably more.
My hypothesis is that when a majority of men cant get a girlfriend society colapses, so make it 10 men 4 women. Also such small comunities will function anyway, I can live without a girlfriend if I have close friends and getting rid of them wont be able to get anyone else. And actually lack of monogomy woks in such small situations also, every woman can have sex 3 or 4 men and all should be happy, for not knowing if a kid is yours or not doesnt matter if you know they are all kids of the tribe, all adults take care of all children works in small comunities.
The problem with large societies is lack of cohesion. I would not kill my best friend to take his girlfriend, nobody would, but most people kill a total stranger if it was their only hope at ever having sex. And the more people there are the less worth every individual life is.
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you're probably right about this, but you can't perfectly boil down the whole society to a small experiment group.
So it's always gonna be a little bit of stretch, yet the overall jist could be the same
@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 you're in clear need of therapy if you believe that the average person would kill a stranger in order to have sex
getting sea sick watching this footage, lordy! good show, thanks
Santiago did not get the results he expected, but he did get results. He just didn't understand them. People bond as a means of survival. They gravitate towards each other and contribute as a way to get along. We also learned something else that's important. Educating an unintelligent person, is like watering sand. It gets wet, it dries and still nothing grows.
You're right, people bond for survival reasons. I guess this is why people are less likely to bond in very large groups like in cities and feel more alone and isolated even though there are many people in the group.
Carrots do
Thats what all hollywood apocalipse movies get wrong, at first there would be chaos as without industrial traide links the massive city population simply could not be fed, but after the first winter when most die off life would be very peaceful for the survivors who will just farm, fish and hunt away, happy if they cant get more hands to help on the farm. There might be the occasional bandit but they too will die off as those who live by the sword die by the sword its not like any farmer would give up his food without a fight and the bandit can get lucky and win only so many times.
And exactly how you do propose we make unintelligent people more intelligent?
@@yasininn76 I'm saying that you can't. That a person without intelligence, is like sand without seeds and that no amount of education will produce intelligence.
Why didn't they just mutiny, lock him in the raft and head towards land?
I thought the same, except being more of the violent person he was looking for (violent towards narcissistic abusers like him & willing to be violent for self-preservation) I thought just chuck him overboard since he was clearly trying to kill everyone or get them killed - self-defence...but yes, I suppose locking him up would be best, just less satisfying.
Because they volunteered for it most likely, like how I don't mutiny my job lol.
@@GreasyOafI would definitely if I was at risk of dying...
@@cccccccssssss THREE times. They were saints for not choosing mutiny.
As a former member of the US Navy, I was on an aircraft carrier and the ocean is awe inspiring. It’s beautiful and terrifying. Of course they pulled together and helped each other survive it’s what sane people do
I bet as a member of the Navy you had WAAAY more sex than these people did.
"Curses, foiled again!"
said the Villain. A truly comforting story. Thwarting the fiend.
Fred
Man, let me tell you; TH-cam recommendations would NOT let up with this one.
He actually figured out the recipy for world peace: Small groups, competent members, relaxed and engaging environment, shared goals, plenty of food, 2:1 ratio of women to men, and spiritual leadership.
He might be on to something after all.
Soooo... He successfully failed ?
Yeah, if everyone has all their needs met then there is peace. This isn't so easy to accomplish in the real world.
@@erustownsend9790 this would be very easy to accomplish in the real world. but the 1% would stop being the 1%. and generally billionaires don't want to loose their billions. greed is what stops this from happening
2:1 women to men?
This is the most beautiful story I've ever heard.
Greed, loss of objectivity are seeds of violence. Another great vid!
Another thing to keep in mind is that the constant sun exposure probably helped boot their vitamin D levels, which does have an impact on mood and makes you happier. If he'd set this study in a cottage somewhere in the mountains or an arctic base, maybe things would've been a little different.
It also seems like the researcher just got jealous of how well the subjects were getting along while he was stuck on the outskirts, so he tried to ruin it out of spite. Probably the first incel.
A research base in the Arctic circle, uncovering something in the ice...
@@thisplatformsucksSounds like every old sci-fi horror movie.
@@Drakonus_ Well, maybe I'm thinking of one thing in particular.
@@thisplatformsucks IT NO A DOOOOOOOOOOOG !!!!!!!!!!
And too many women for men 💀
He's like the writers of all these apocalypse movies expecting the worse in human behavior when in reality when a disaster happens people tend to come together and help each other.
Unfortunately you'd still get a majority of people that will turn to violence...
I mean look at all the unnecessary riots going on around the world
The whole point of a real apocalipse is that even if everyone works together most will still die, the problem is that after the great masses die off the remaining will again have enough recources and so peace and order will return unlike in the holywood movies where the chaos is permanent. Also following the survivors youre not gona follow arround some clueless city dwellers who wander arround amelessly but rather rural farmers farming and driving off bandits.
In relatively small groups yes - but not society as a whole, especially when your own life is at stake, e.g. food scarcity after a catastrophic event
@@Astromath
That depends on the society. If it is a hierarchical society riddled with ultra-individualism, then yes. An egalitarian society without much power and wealth consolidation would probably break up in smaller communities that can better manage themselves.
In the beginning yes, but as soon as resources become very scarce, people will have to become egoistic for survival. Hunger will also make people more aggressive.
I worked for a woman who was exactly like Santiago. Her employees bound together and had her fired. It wasn’t hard. She/Santiago made it easy. Controlling and inept.
Sounds like they were haters
Miss Management
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Same ❤
A better experiment would've been to put a larger group in isolation with more limited resources (so that if they work together everyone would be fine but if someone wanted more they could try and take it). This would be a bit more accurate of depicting the world.
Bingo! When you have food and everything you need, of course that reduces a lot of tension..
The maze runner
Setting this up in a normal environment like a city, instead of isolating them from the world and it's problems may have also been more ideal.
That might have been the only thing Santiago did correctly. As much as he wanted violence to break out, he was trying to prove that sex would lead to conflict, so he provided all their basic needs in order to isolate sex as the only possible cause for conflict.
It World have been unethical and inhumane. Also a very sick idea!
Thanks for the video. In the beginning, I was really worried it was going to turn into a horrific and sick story, but it turned out to be a wonderful story that shows the real human nature when you remove all the stress of modern world.
Real human nature can be seen under the pressure of the modern world also. Humans are friendly when everyone has food, sex and stuff, humans are violent when they cant get what they need. Its very simple really.
It occurs to me that one of the key elements is that the people were prepared to deal with the situation. The only person who actually devolved into more "baseline instincts" was the one person who was unprepared to do his job: Santiago himself.
because they had a common enemy, santiago
From this experience, we can conclude that most people are good and peaceful but there is always someone who causes problems and ignites the violence because he wants things to go as he wants , like this Santiago
Perhaps the "problem" of the experiment was Santiago himself, who, by constantly confronting the group, gave them a sense of unity and common enemy that they might not have obtained otherwise.
so weird that Santiago wanted conflict.. in the end HE was the problem.. people just want to connect with each other
My boyfriend (trained as a clinical psych) says this is the type of behavior he expects from social psychologists lol