That is the same Battery as an RC car, plane use. Its a 3s(11.1VDC) 8000 MAH 120C Lipo.. You can buy them anywhere from $110 - $200 depending on Manufacture. Only difference is the size of the leads...The Board is probably a BMS for the battery to level the cells.
Used one of these boosters in a professional environment (AAA battery service in Los Angeles) every day for 10hrs. It replaced one of those lead acid boosters, a dinosaur that was heavy. Anyway I had over 700 jump starts on the GB150 b4 it quit, but it was kind of my fault because 10% of those vehicles had electrical system shorts that I was unaware of until I saw the sparks. I even jump started Ford 3500 diesels that had two batteries at times. Contacted Noco and they responded instantly! Sent the unit back, and they replaced it with a brand new one within a week. I thought it was going to b in a brown box and refurbished but it wasn't, it was in the original packaging and NEW. The customer service at Noco is amazing!!!!! I'm using the new one but I'm being more careful now, if a vehicle has recently been run and the battery is down to 6volts or less and nothing was left on such as the head lights don't boost it with ANY booster, just have it towed, a shorted vehicle will damage your booster!
I have the same one as this and I have used to to start my D5 bulldozer with no batteries hooked up and forced started. It was a hard start but did it 7 times before it lost all charge. I have 2, one in each vehicle and I take them everywhere!!!
I just purchased the Noco GB70 this month and the labeling on mine said "Made In Malaysia'. That tells me that some companies are moving their manufacturing away from China. GOOD!!! I am really glad to hear that. So far, 100% satisfied with the 70. Seems to be excellent quality. Nothing second rate about this brand of jumper boxes. For the price, I just wish they would provide the hard shell storage box instead of making you purchase it separately.
yea moving .pumped china with money because of greed. they don't need you that much now you have no choice . fucking mechanics not a single one knows how those really work includig the author
Interesting, you can see from this video how they could make thier smaller model!!! Looks like they had an over sized 📦 or housing. I wonder if I can get an older model like this for an affordable price considering the large size?
The label said 89 watt-hrs. Which fits 8 amp-hrs x 11.1 VDC = 88.8 watt-hrs. I've been impressed with the current output of the smaller boxes so I suspect that it'll start your diesel.
Love Your RV I have one about the size of two decks of cards. It's labeled 200 amps, 400 peak amps. I've tried it on a 3.5 liter V6 with a dead battery and it worked great. I tried it on my 5.9 Cummins and it'll run the heat grid but not the starter. I picked it up to use on motorcycle trips.
Brilliant video, thank you. I've had this in my cart at Amazon for a week or two. I'll be anxiously waiting to see how long the unit takes to charge, and your other reviews. I used something similar a month ago to get my wife's jeep to a dealer that had a bad cell after a deer accident and it did a superb job. I drive a F250 diesel, so wanted something that could boost it as well. I saw the 4000 amps, so thanks for the data that it's really 8 amp's...makes better sense. Thank you again.
Just to clarify, do not confuse Amps with Amp-hours, the first is current the second is energy. The unit is supposed to put out 4000A and if that is at 12V is really 48,000 Watts or about 32 hair-dryers on full blast. Amps are sort of like how fast the energy can come out where as Amp-hours is how much the battery can hold. The battery only holds 11.1V * 8Ah = 88.8Watt-hours or 0.0888kWh, to put it into the unit the power company uses to sell you electricity.
Hey King. It boosted the truck without a problem. Truck sat overnight in temps around 40F and I started this morning outside temp 50F. I had cold glow plugs and I let them complete the 12 -15 second cycle, plus I have auto daylight headlights and she turned over easily and started almost like I had my regular two batteries hooked up. I'll have a complete review video coming out in awhile with the footage. Cheers Ray
Yes, I could and actually have in the past but that is if the truck happens to be close enough. I use a battery box mostly for portable 12-volt power, makes it convenient to use my 12-volt compressor to pump my tires and my pin box air bag. Also when boondocking I use it to run a water pump to add water to main tanks for jugs. My old lead acid battery box wore out and wanted to replace it with the newer lithium style that could at least boost my big diesel if needed. My old box was bought when I had a 300 cubic inch camper van so didn't have the power to jump our truck. No, the Cougar has what they call the Polar Package but it definitely isn't a 4 season rig.
The dog chewed up my negative lead, and I mean chewed it up almost in 2..... How do I replace it? I don't want to put a big ugly splice in it. Any suggestions????? Will customer service fix it if I sent it to them or am I just screwed?
That's a tough one to fix since it requires a heavy duty soldering system to replace the damaged cable. I'd contact the NOCO support and ask if they can fix - no.co/support
thanks i answered my own question found it later lol it cannot be used to charger car battery just jump start it =\ trying to find a lithium car battery charger for my bmw m3. i will be doing some programming and needs to be hooked up to a charger because the fuel pump when it gets coded can pull up to 25amps i read. The BMW M3 LIthium battery is supposedly 69AH do you know ?
Rob Fsociety Guess what! Noco makes a battery charger (2amp if I recall correctly) that will charge about anything! Including lithiums like the battery you are talking about... it’s in the same case as smaller noco jump starting battery
Funny, I just took out my NOCO g7200 smart charger out yesterday to charge 4 of my C&D Tecnology batterys for my off grid system, works like a charm voltage meter reads 12.3 I think I need to upgrage to renogy solar panels, do u know where I can find a dealer in alberta?
Don't know of any dealers but check out Amazon.ca they sell Renogy stuff. www.amazon.ca/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=renogy Cheers Ray
Great review. Can you picture what would happen if you put 12v @ 4000 amps through those cables? I really wish there was truth in advertising. Thanks Ron & Liv
For a nanosecond? Probably nothing for a second? Probably an explosion. It would be like turning on a 48 kilowatt heater for one second or 96 good hairdryers. Definitely enough power to melt all the wires many times over. Also it would completely drain the battery in 7 seconds... 7 seconds of cranking time... You'd finish it up
TheChewy78 We have one of the gb150’s as well that will show its charging but you could leave it on all day and it will have no charge. Were you ever able to fix your one? Thanks.
It's a 3 cell Lipo (Lithium Polymer) which yes is the same as a 3 cell lipo RC battery. Min Voltage is 11.1 ~ 3.7 min volts x 3 cells and Max Voltage Fully Charged is 12.6 volts which with lipo batteries is 4.2 volts per cell. What you were describing in the bottom was more than likely capacitors which allows the power to build from the battery for the boost. IF anyone knows what a capacitor is they'll know what I'm speaking of. The discharge rating was the 20C you were referring to in the battery type. I can't speak for that battery but in RC cars we run them either in series for parallel when we run multiple multi cell batteries. One will get you longer run times and the other more amperage for very fast power for very quick throttle compared to longer run time. The 8000 MAH seems as I've ran RC cars with 10000 MAH which is a really long run time.
The circuitry in that booster won't allow you to run the battery dead flat. Lithium batteries will be damaged and may no longer work if you run them down to 0 Volts.
That's not correct dead flat 0.00v Lithium batteries are hard to charge due to near dead short conditions. 0.00v Lithium batteries need recovering with high quality smart chargers to start the charge at CV and Variable Current until the voltage picks up and then CC.
VCRs not really all that complicated. Used to tear down and fix jams on rather expensive commercial beta machines at a TV station. Nobody else around at 3:00am to fix a deck when you need three running to stay on the air. Absolutly no training either.
It was 3:00am on a Sunday morning. I was on my own and needed at least three decks running, four meant less hot swapping tape and WAY less chance of grabbing the wrong tape after 14 hours of running mind numbing infomercials. It wasn't that bad.
the higher discharge cells generally have lesser capacity. about 2ah for the 20-22a discharge capacity, and 1.3ah for the 30a discharge cells, from what I've seen.
Mine lasted a year. Paid $300.00 plus tax and used it once. Googled the solution and found a lot of people with the same situation. This brand is heavily marketed. Not sure of the merits.
Ray, thanks for all the help you give to us RV'ers. I still hesitate when repairing my rv, only been on the road 2 years now. My question is. I have a 2003 F250 with 2 starting batteries, will the NOCO start my truck if needed? Again thank you for all the help you have given me. Sorry I just saw your video unboxing the the NOCO GB150. I think you answered my question in that video.
I've been using a little lithium polymer car jumper about a quarter that size to jump my f250. that one is rated at 800A which I thought was pretty high. 4000A is insane. did you notice right on the back of that enclosure on the outside sticker said it has a 80Wh battery?
Likely some weird laboratory spike test so they can use it for marketing. The thing did jumpstart my 7.L diesel with both batteries disconnect so not bad. Does what it needs to do.
Lithium batteries such as lithium polymer which is what this appears to be should not be stored without a charge. The proper way to store lithium batteries is to keep them at ~50% charge. This is why when you purchase new electronics with Lithium batteries they typically arrive half charged. You also never want to discharge them completely since that will damage the battery cells or even worse cause them to catch on fire. The electronics in the booster likely prevent that from happening and most likely kill the current when the battery voltage drops at all. Also, unlike NiMH or NiCad or lead acid batteries where the voltage can drop significantly (a few volts) from full charge to low charge, Li-Poly batteries like this will not fluctuate much at all in voltage from full charge to low charge. That is actually one of the desired traits of Li-Poly batteries since the voltage rolloff is low they run at peak performance almost until they reach their low charge state. Any significant voltage drop in a Li-Poly battery would indicate a damaged battery cell(s) which could be dangerous. You never want to fully discharge a Li-Poly battery. The fact that it is 11.1V battery means it is a 3 cell lithium polymer (3.7V *3) battery. 20C discharge is actually rather poor compared to batteries that are used in hobby grade RC cars and the like which typically have anywhere from 30C to 50C. 8000mAh is about as good as you get though in a small size 3-cell Li-Poly battery though. The reasons these new booster packs are so much smaller is simply because they moved away from the heavy lead acid battery ones to these new Li-Poly batteries. If you buy one of those external battery banks they cell on Amazon for your iPhone or other electronics, it is essentially the same principle as this booster albeit much lower current. Nice booster pack and thanks for the video..
There is no evidence to back up your claim of charge state of lithiums. Your claim is based on a report 20 years old. They had no idea of long term effects of lithium. A better, more viable explanation is to keep the individual cells above the appropriate voltage (3.0v for lipo, I think 2.8v for lifepo4) The reason Lipo arrive HALF charged is that is their manufactured state. If you think they charge lipos in, say, cell phones, before they get sent out, you are in for a surprise. Source: Electrical Engineer using Lipo batteries for 20+ years professionally and 10+ years as a hobby (solar and the like)
Thanks, lots to learn. When the box got to the point of shutting down its readout indicated a voltage of 10 volts. The user manual doesn't say anything about storage charge.
Here is a link to the safety data sheet - noco-thenococompany.netdna-ssl.com/media/nocodownloads/format/g/b/gb150_sds_6.10.2016.pdf Details the battery chemistry.
I went to a solar event of Victron a few weeks ago, one of the leading manufacturers of Marine solar equipment. They said that 50% storage is a bit dated news. The latest knowledge is they can be put away at 100% fully charged. Nice review, I'dd like you had compared it with the smaller ones of Nogo
An auto tech reviewing this on Amazon ran one into a 500 amp max variable test load. It actually put out average 420 Amps at nominal 12 Volts for 20 seconds, then the over temperature protection kicks it out until it cools down... So, I don't think it's going to start the Dodge's 6.7l Cummins with two completely dead batteries down around 0 F., but if the batteries have even 70%, should turn it over. Normally, that truck barely starts if at all at 0 F. if the 2 Lead acid batteries are dead cold and down to 80%. If you wait for the full preheat cycle, the glowplugs and heater grid suck the batteries down so much there isn't enough left for the starter. Warm batteries are happy batteries... BTW, that's an 80 Amp hour battery. EIGHTY. 80,000 mWh ÷ by 1,000 mW per Watt = 80. An 8 amp hour 12V battery is about good for a tiny economy 3 or 4 cylinder, a big motorcycle or a healthy riding lawn mower, the little Li-ion jump starter units that cost around $50.00 would have somewhere around that capacity.
You may want to watch my review video on the NOCO. - th-cam.com/video/bgOjEtO-YJs/w-d-xo.html I tested it on my 1994 7.3L Ford diesel. Started it with no batteries hooked up at all with cold glow plugs, not at 0 though, it was around 50F, but not bad. Also, that is an 8000 mAH battery = 8AH. The unit says 88 watt hours right on the outside. 8000mAH X 11.1V = 88.8 Wh - milliamps-watts.appspot.com/ I also tested it running a load, it showed it to have about 8 amp hours capacity in the test. Wish it was an 80 AH battery that would be a wicked deal! Cheers Ray
Love Your RV The new NOCO 150 unit arrived. Charged it up, went outdoors to the dead 6.7l Cummins diesel truck and started it right up at 18 F., about 10 seconds of glowplug/grid heater warmup and then turned over and fired as if it were summer with good batteries. Pulled the existing batteries out afterwards, 1 was completely dead and would not take a charge, the other tested at 30% of rated current when I returned them to the battery dealer. Got 2 new batteries under warranty, the dead Interstate batteries were only 34 months old on a 6 year warranty.
it would not be a 20c rated pack ! i have the gb 70 the pack in that is rated 60C 5000MA if i remember correctly . small model lipo packs are rated at 30c if you work out that 120 x 8 amps it equals around 960 amp peek current i have measured the peek output of my gb 70 and its around 500 to 600 amps
Thanks, makes sense considering it's jumping a 10+ engine, I guess there is no published detailed info on this NOCO X60 battery. I can't find any. The battery would be completely discharged in under a minute at max discharge rate I assume?
My wife and I are semi retired. Sold our businesses and house 12 years ago and full time RV now. So our monthly budget needs are quite frugal now. We make a bit of spending money online.
lots of good info and comments/analysis and i thank you for that, you have a wonderful website, bottom line, whats the cost and is it worth it. (i saw angie scoping you out in the distance, give her a biscuit for me).
It goes for $299. For me, it's a what to have gadget versus a gotta have. My old lead acid battery box died and I wanted to replace it with something that could at least fire up a large engine like in our truck or a motor home. I mostly use it with my 12 volt air compressor.
haha, ya. I guess though for folks that spend 300 grande on a motorhome it's not much. For me though it was a splurge. I tested it on my 7.3L diesel today, fired it up easily with the batteries totally disconnected. Pretty cool. Cheers Ray
If you do the math on the 120 C to 8000 mah that battery only delivers 960 cranking amps I mean that's a lot but definitely not 4000amps which means false advertisement
Yeah, seems like some kind of lab tested spike or something. I did get it to start my 7.3L diesel motor with both of the batteries disconnected. That impressed me. Cheers, Ray
Those are super caps underneath, not resistors. That's what allows you to produce such high peak amps from a low input current. Not saying that '4000 amps' isn't overrated, just clarifying the function of the device.
Your too kind not calling their 4000A balderdash. FYI, I'm sure you know this but if your drawing 8 amps you won't get 1 hour out of it or 8 amp hours but it will be dead much less than an hour . If you fully discharge any battery faster than over 20 hours you'll get less than the "C20" rating indicates. People always forget about that when they figure what batteries can put out. Same with solar panels, people always believe a 200 watt panel will put out 200 when the sun is hitting them when that is mostly never the case but much less. You'll only get 200 watts when there is 100% clear skies AND the sun is squarely over them on two axis, which is pretty much never the case if ever without a tracker. Great effort trying to show what's in that thing. I was awaiting for this video. I figured it was 70/80% batteries. Cheers
haha ya, I'm a nice guy. I knew that for lead acid but I thought that lithium ion batteries didn't suffer much from Peukert’s law and the AH rating would remain consistent even with higher current loads. That's why people like them in RVs to run high current devices like AC, and appliances, etc. Will be interesting to test it out. :) For solar you won't even get the max in perfect skies, they use lab measurements, but I guess that at least is a benchmark to compare from. Best is likely 75-80% in the real world, that's about what I get on a clear summer day pointed dead square.
never needed mine. Its in the car for eventually problems. Now, after 1.5 years, it wil not charge anymore to 100%. (green light keeps flashing) Lipo cells out of balance? When i charged it , it was still 75% full. Bad cell. unfortunately. Don't know if it wil start an engine anymore. Do not trust it .
Maybe try totally discharging it and let it recharge again. Maybe it will reset the charging system. Mine is still good, just recently jumped started a guy who was stranded.
A fairly unimpressive battery. If you have RC experience, you know that 60C discharge rate and higher batteries are easily available from, probably, the same Chinese factories where this one is made. For the money you pay for Noco (compared to noname stuff on Amazon), I would expect something nicer. P.S. For long-term storage, you want to keep lithium cells at 50% capacity.
+Love Your RV My understanding is that the electrolyte stabilizer additives which help reduce battery degradation when charging to 100% have shown great lab results but are unlikely to have made it into battery cells. The tesla S and X didn't have cells with those additives as of about a year ago.
Not so for LiPo cells, let them sit fully changed and over the months the outgassing causes them to swell. That's the reason DJI battery circuitry initiates a slow discharge to 50% after a few weeks.
My GB150 is just over 2 years old now, got it for Christmas 2016 and still operating and charging OK, I leave it in the truck most of the time, but our temp diff is usually from freezing to a max of 90F so not that extreme, I'll report back if my unit fails. Cheers, Ray
From a recent conversation with NOCO Customer Support: SierraSupport Specialist (NOCO) Oct 18, 2022, 14:19 MST If your unit has not been used much, that may be contributing to the issue. The Boosts have an internal lithium battery, and when lithium batteries sit for long periods of time without use, or are stored outside of the recommended temperature range (-20ºC to 50ºC), this can damage or weaken the internal battery, just like how your car battery's lifespan and performance will be negatively affected with extreme temperatures or lack of use. This is true not just of our products, but of lithium batteries in general. We suggest the Boost get regular usage by depleting the battery occasionally. You can simply charge USB devices like a cell phone to do this. This occasional cycling of the battery can help with longer battery health. The Boost's internal Lithium battery has a ~1000 cycle life. The cycle life is the number of complete charge/complete discharge cycles that the battery is able to support before its capacity falls under 85% of its original capacity. So if the battery is discharged to 60% and then charged to 80%, it isn't a complete cycle. The Boost should last several years with normal use and proper storage. In an industrial application, the amount of years they last will depend on the amount of use. We recommend cycling the battery occasionally (depleting and recharging) to keep the internal battery healthy. This can be done by jump-starting or charging USB devices. Your product carries a 1-Year Warranty. Based on the serial number you are 4 years and 9 months outside the warranty period. This unit has lasted a long period of time. I can provide you a coupon code to assist with replacing your product. It is currently already 20% off on the NOCO website, and the code would take an additional 10% off of your purchase on our website to help you get a replacement. This code is only valid for use on our website no.co/ and cannot be applied to other online resellers. This would not require you to ship your unit to us and allows you to purchase a brand new product. Please let me know if you would like to proceed and I will email you the appropriate instructions. Kind regards, Sierra James Boswell Oct 17, 2022, 07:46 MST Dear Sierra, Thank you for your quick reply. I’ve been very happy with this unit, except that it really seems to have a short life cycle. The unit has not been used very often and has always be stored in a manner recommended by your instructions. Maybe my expectations are too high. That having been said, I would appreciate if the unit could be replaced with a manufacturers refurbished unit as I’m not prepared to buy a new unit at full retail price. The serial number is: NG15006X3X08160502428 Regards, Jim Boswell
Mine still seems to hold good charge knock on wood. A couple weeks ago, I helped a lady start her dead motorhome. The booster had been sitting for a few months.
Media hype, if they were that unstable there would be many more instances of catastrophic failures. LiPo is in so many things these days like laptops for example, I'm surprised how little problems there are. But of course if there is the odd fail media jumps all over it with fear mongering. Also, it not like lead acid was trouble free.
@@LoveYourRV I dunno, I use lipo for a lot of RC stuff and I dont think I've ever had one last more than a year or two without swelling. Not one of mine is supposed to be fully charged when stored for more than a week. I just dont see this being better than a AGM jump pack.
I've had this box for 4 1/2 years now and it's almost always sitting at full charge in case it is needed, still does the job perfectly. So guess it's a different use case versus an RC stuff that is charged and discharge much more often. They also tend to push the battery to the limits trying to get performance out of them.
Here is what NOCO faq says: "Does it hold a charge? All Boost models can hold 70% of its rated capacity for up to one year. For optimal performance, we recommend charging the device at least every 4-6 months, after initial charge." The whole point of the battery jumper box is for it to be ready to be put to use in an emergency. So it not like you can keep it half charged. I imagine they engineered the battery and charging circuits to deal with its specialized use case. A short burst of high amps to jump-start vehicles. Possibly by not fully charging it or using different lithium chemistry. The full light might say full charge but that doesn't mean the actual cells are at 100%.
All the home gamer boosters are over rated this one is no exception. The battery label you show says 11.1 volt @ 120c with 8,000mah or also known as 8ah capacity. So your kind of right in that it means the discharge rating. To get the amps out of that ratting you multiply the two 11.1x120= 1332A is all that pack can actually put out. The better pack to buy is the Matco MTXtreme its actually $15 cheaper then the NOCO GB150 and is rated with actual numbers at 1,200 peak amps but its a 24,000mah or 24ah capacity means you can get more and longer cranking out of it with the same actual starting amps. Cons are that the Matco is twice as wide as the GB150 and the Jump cables are smaller gauge. Pros are that it will also jump a 24volt piece of equipment with a setting change and has a 10 amp 12volt output. www.matcotools.com/catalog/product/MTXTREME/24000-MAH-JUMP-STARTER-POWER/#to-details
The NOCO boosted my 7.3L diesel truck motor with both batteries disconnected and cold glow plugs, so I'm happy. :) The 24AH is nice, would mean less recharging. Had a look at the customer reviews at that link, though, didn't look too good.
Love Your RV it will absolutly do what u told me i have no doubt. I love how heavy duty the cables are just dont believe the label. I made my own with an rc battery and ordered replacement clams from another booster and can start my 6.0 f250 superduty without batteries too. About 15 times without recharching. For around $100 have to give the small clamps and wire some time to cool in between but same thing www.ebay.com/itm/Powerhobby-3S-11-1V-7600mAh-75C-Lipo-Battery-w-Deans-Plugs-Losi-8ight-E-/302282721502?hash=item46617448de www.ebay.com/itm/iClever-Smart-Jump-Starter-Cables-EC5-Connector-Emergency-Clamp-Booster-Battery/272911649724?epid=2229386222&hash=item3f8acd4bbc:g:h2EAAOSwICpZ-qr1 www.ebay.com/itm/5-Pair-EC5-Connectors-Male-Female-Battery-Discharge-Wire-Plugs-5mm-Bullet/191719882499?epid=1243165822&hash=item2ca3653f03:g:XQsAAOSwSdZWej0w
Fuse is likely for the accessory 12volt output plug, no way 30 amps would jumpstart a 7.3L diesel like it did. Would probably need a few hundred. th-cam.com/video/bgOjEtO-YJs/w-d-xo.html
Telwins Startzilla 3024 has 30000mah battery by data sheet and weighs the same as noco 150 with its 8000mah battery. I feel like telwin is full of shit
Hi Ray. I really like your videos. Thanks for opening up the Noco GB150. You might be interested in the following playlist, where a fellow Canadian named Jerry discusses misleading battery booster claims (such as 4000A) and performs load and cold weather testing on Noco and other units: PLxtlXKgrDXMVVTKIPpV1J4YanMKOt_I47
Thanks, Leonard, I've watched a bunch of NOCO videos, I believe I saw a few with cold weather tests and performance was really bad. I'll definitely mention it in my final review. Lucky I don't have to spend the winter in those temps, yikes! Most of my tests will be from an RV perspective.
Doesn't say much unless we know the percentage of repairs required vs the amount sold. NOCO is a pretty big outfit, so it likely sells a ton of these things. They are even carried in many sticks and brick stores and are a huge seller on Amazon. The GB150 alone has almost 9000 reviews.
That is the same Battery as an RC car, plane use. Its a 3s(11.1VDC) 8000 MAH 120C Lipo.. You can buy them anywhere from $110 - $200 depending on Manufacture. Only difference is the size of the leads...The Board is probably a BMS for the battery to level the cells.
Thanks, John
They go as low as 30-50 dollars
@@mikeshobbiesandrandomstuff hey Mr.mike, any leads on these kind of batteries at that price? I have heard they can be pretty explosive. thanks
@@GDMHificationranpitc amazon or your local hobby stores
So really their ratings are BS, its really only supplying a max 960A?
Used one of these boosters in a professional environment (AAA battery service in Los Angeles) every day for 10hrs. It replaced one of those lead acid boosters, a dinosaur that was heavy. Anyway I had over 700 jump starts on the GB150 b4 it quit, but it was kind of my fault because 10% of those vehicles had electrical system shorts that I was unaware of until I saw the sparks. I even jump started Ford 3500 diesels that had two batteries at times. Contacted Noco and they responded instantly! Sent the unit back, and they replaced it with a brand new one within a week. I thought it was going to b in a brown box and refurbished but it wasn't, it was in the original packaging and NEW. The customer service at Noco is amazing!!!!! I'm using the new one but I'm being more careful now, if a vehicle has recently been run and the battery is down to 6volts or less and nothing was left on such as the head lights don't boost it with ANY booster, just have it towed, a shorted vehicle will damage your booster!
Supposed to have reverse current, over charge, overdischarge and surge protection. So these circuit did not engage when you saw the sparks etc..
I start my semi truck with it kenworth W900 c15 15.2 L diesel engine
Had the same one for over 3 years. Used it a hundred times plus. Well worth the but!
I have the same one as this and I have used to to start my D5 bulldozer with no batteries hooked up and forced started. It was a hard start but did it 7 times before it lost all charge. I have 2, one in each vehicle and I take them everywhere!!!
I just purchased the Noco GB70 this month and the labeling on mine said "Made In Malaysia'. That tells me that some companies are moving their manufacturing away from China. GOOD!!! I am really glad to hear that. So far, 100% satisfied with the 70. Seems to be excellent quality. Nothing second rate about this brand of jumper boxes. For the price, I just wish they would provide the hard shell storage box instead of making you purchase it separately.
Thanks for the info!
From outside this thing looks like premium product but from inside it's cheap Chinese crap.
yea moving .pumped china with money because of greed. they don't need you that much now you have no choice . fucking mechanics not a single one knows how those really work includig the author
Love the dog chillin in the sun.
I forget to add that big THANKS! for opening your unit!!!
Interesting, you can see from this video how they could make thier smaller model!!! Looks like they had an over sized 📦 or housing. I wonder if I can get an older model like this for an affordable price considering the large size?
Awesome, thanks Ray! Looking forward to seeing how well it works for you.
Thank you Ray for taking yours apart so I didn't have to I wondered what was inside, maybe 4,000 amps for 10 milliseconds
You're welcome. :)
Thanks .. I don't have to open mine now .. was good food for my curiosity
The label said 89 watt-hrs. Which fits 8 amp-hrs x 11.1 VDC = 88.8 watt-hrs. I've been impressed with the current output of the smaller boxes so I suspect that it'll start your diesel.
If it can turn over my old 7.3L IDI 1994 International diesel motor, I'll be impressed. :)
Love Your RV I have one about the size of two decks of cards. It's labeled 200 amps, 400 peak amps. I've tried it on a 3.5 liter V6 with a dead battery and it worked great. I tried it on my 5.9 Cummins and it'll run the heat grid but not the starter. I picked it up to use on motorcycle trips.
Good job Ray, an interesting, sensible & informative video - keep'm coming!
Brilliant video, thank you. I've had this in my cart at Amazon for a week or two. I'll be anxiously waiting to see how long the unit takes to charge, and your other reviews. I used something similar a month ago to get my wife's jeep to a dealer that had a bad cell after a deer accident and it did a superb job. I drive a F250 diesel, so wanted something that could boost it as well. I saw the 4000 amps, so thanks for the data that it's really 8 amp's...makes better sense. Thank you again.
You bet, I'll likely have the review out in a few weeks, got lots on the go right now and New Years to celebrate. Cheers! Ray
Just to clarify, do not confuse Amps with Amp-hours, the first is current the second is energy. The unit is supposed to put out 4000A and if that is at 12V is really 48,000 Watts or about 32 hair-dryers on full blast. Amps are sort of like how fast the energy can come out where as Amp-hours is how much the battery can hold. The battery only holds 11.1V * 8Ah = 88.8Watt-hours or 0.0888kWh, to put it into the unit the power company uses to sell you electricity.
Can you tack apart a xp10hd by antigravity ?
Thank you. I see that it is a 8000mah Lipo
can this battery start a diesel engine without lead battery connected ?
I'm going to try it today on my 1994 Ford truck with a 7.3L diesel engine. Will let you know.
thank you, sir.
Hey King. It boosted the truck without a problem. Truck sat overnight in temps around 40F and I started this morning outside temp 50F. I had cold glow plugs and I let them complete the 12 -15 second cycle, plus I have auto daylight headlights and she turned over easily and started almost like I had my regular two batteries hooked up.
I'll have a complete review video coming out in awhile with the footage. Cheers Ray
Thank you very much for the test. It helped me a lot.
Hi.
I have problem. Not charging 25% all time
Please help me
You'll have to contact NOCO no.co/support
Couldn't you use your RV batteries to jump start your truck?
Is your RV a four season unit?
Yes, I could and actually have in the past but that is if the truck happens to be close enough. I use a battery box mostly for portable 12-volt power, makes it convenient to use my 12-volt compressor to pump my tires and my pin box air bag. Also when boondocking I use it to run a water pump to add water to main tanks for jugs.
My old lead acid battery box wore out and wanted to replace it with the newer lithium style that could at least boost my big diesel if needed. My old box was bought when I had a 300 cubic inch camper van so didn't have the power to jump our truck.
No, the Cougar has what they call the Polar Package but it definitely isn't a 4 season rig.
Looks like Coachella valley here. Maybe Indio area?
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The dog chewed up my negative lead, and I mean chewed it up almost in 2..... How do I replace it? I don't want to put a big ugly splice in it. Any suggestions????? Will customer service fix it if I sent it to them or am I just screwed?
That's a tough one to fix since it requires a heavy duty soldering system to replace the damaged cable. I'd contact the NOCO support and ask if they can fix - no.co/support
Can this be used a charger as well ? or just jump starter
It can charge small items like phones and tablets.
thanks i answered my own question found it later lol it cannot be used to charger car battery just jump start it =\ trying to find a lithium car battery charger for my bmw m3. i will be doing some programming and needs to be hooked up to a charger because the fuel pump when it gets coded can pull up to 25amps i read. The BMW M3 LIthium battery is supposedly 69AH do you know ?
Rob Fsociety Guess what! Noco makes a battery charger (2amp if I recall correctly) that will charge about anything! Including lithiums like the battery you are talking about... it’s in the same case as smaller noco jump starting battery
Would this work as a 12v power supply for a item at 15 amps and if so how long do you think it would last ?
Yes, but it would only last about 1/2 hour as the battery capacity isn't much at 8 Amp Hours
Funny, I just took out my NOCO g7200 smart charger out yesterday to charge 4 of my C&D Tecnology batterys for my off grid system, works like a charm voltage meter reads 12.3 I think I need to upgrage to renogy solar panels, do u know where I can find a dealer in alberta?
Don't know of any dealers but check out Amazon.ca they sell Renogy stuff. www.amazon.ca/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=renogy
Cheers Ray
Great review. Can you picture what would happen if you put 12v @ 4000 amps through those cables?
I really wish there was truth in advertising.
Thanks
Ron & Liv
It's like audio wattage claims, many ways to say something that is technically right but has nothing to do with real world use.
For a nanosecond? Probably nothing
for a second? Probably an explosion.
It would be like turning on a 48 kilowatt heater for one second or 96 good hairdryers. Definitely enough power to melt all the wires many times over.
Also it would completely drain the battery in 7 seconds...
7 seconds of cranking time... You'd finish it up
Those are awesome, but pretty expensive.
they would burst in your face.......
thumbs up for taking a look inside.
Thanks!
How long has it lasted?
Still going strong to this day
Thanks for the look inside Ray.
No probs, always fun to peek inside. Wish I could have gone deeper but I didn/'t want to ruin it. ;)
Hi, awesome break down! Can you charge this direct from a solar panels controller?
I didn't test that but don't see why not.
I was wondering what you did for a living when I saw all the electrical tools you had.
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Our gb150 quit taking a charge maybe ill look into replacing the lipo with a rc battery or try to get it replaced
Make sure to check all the fuses in there, maybe one blew.
@@LoveYourRV ok maybe i will look . I think its out of the one year warranty
@@LoveYourRV how many are there?
@@TheChewy78 Not sure, but I saw at least one green blade fuse beside the relays
TheChewy78
We have one of the gb150’s as well that will show its charging but you could leave it on all day and it will have no charge. Were you ever able to fix your one? Thanks.
It's a 3 cell Lipo (Lithium Polymer) which yes is the same as a 3 cell lipo RC battery. Min Voltage is 11.1 ~ 3.7 min volts x 3 cells and Max Voltage Fully Charged is 12.6 volts which with lipo batteries is 4.2 volts per cell. What you were describing in the bottom was more than likely capacitors which allows the power to build from the battery for the boost. IF anyone knows what a capacitor is they'll know what I'm speaking of. The discharge rating was the 20C you were referring to in the battery type. I can't speak for that battery but in RC cars we run them either in series for parallel when we run multiple multi cell batteries. One will get you longer run times and the other more amperage for very fast power for very quick throttle compared to longer run time. The 8000 MAH seems as I've ran RC cars with 10000 MAH which is a really long run time.
Love your RV was right, they are resistors, not capacitors.
The circuitry in that booster won't allow you to run the battery dead flat. Lithium batteries will be damaged and may no longer work if you run them down to 0 Volts.
That's not correct dead flat 0.00v Lithium batteries are hard to charge due to near dead short conditions. 0.00v Lithium batteries need recovering with high quality smart chargers to start the charge at CV and Variable Current until the voltage picks up and then CC.
Odd that they made the inside battery pretty
VCRs not really all that complicated. Used to tear down and fix jams on rather expensive commercial beta machines at a TV station. Nobody else around at 3:00am to fix a deck when you need three running to stay on the air. Absolutly no training either.
You're talented, as the average person would have no clue how to get it back together, especially these days.
It was 3:00am on a Sunday morning. I was on my own and needed at least three decks running, four meant less hot swapping tape and WAY less chance of grabbing the wrong tape after 14 hours of running mind numbing infomercials. It wasn't that bad.
It is 88 Wh (12V X 4Ah) which is about 7 times Galaxy Note 8 battery (12Wh = 3.7V X 3.3Ah).
On the battery inside is written - NEB 11V1 20C 8000 mAH which I assume is an 11.1 volt 8000 milliamp hours or 8 AH
the higher discharge cells generally have lesser capacity. about 2ah for the 20-22a discharge capacity, and 1.3ah for the 30a discharge cells, from what I've seen.
Ampere hours (Ah) multiplied by Voltage (V) equals Watt hours (Wh).
Hence, 8,000 (mAh) * 11.1 (V) = 88,800 (mWh) or 88.8 (Wh).
Watt hours (Wh) divided by Voltage (V) equals Ampere hours (Ah).
Hence, 88.8 (Wh) / 11.1 (V) = 8 (Ah).
Lastly, the battery's markings rate it at 88.8 (Wh) or 8 (Ah).
That was interesting, thanks Ray.
Mine lasted a year. Paid $300.00 plus tax and used it once. Googled the solution and found a lot of people with the same situation. This brand is heavily marketed.
Not sure of the merits.
Sorry to hear, mine is still working over 4 years now
Ray, thanks for all the help you give to us RV'ers. I still hesitate when repairing my rv, only been on the road 2 years now. My question is. I have a 2003 F250 with 2 starting batteries, will the NOCO start my truck if needed? Again thank you for all the help you have given me. Sorry I just saw your video unboxing the the NOCO GB150. I think you answered my question in that video.
It claims up to 10L engines. I've seen quite a few videos showing it start big diesels. Where it may struggle is cold weather if the box gets cold.
If you're wondering about the noise at 6:56 for 15 seconds, it's a hummingbird.
Great video!
I've been using a little lithium polymer car jumper about a quarter that size to jump my f250. that one is rated at 800A which I thought was pretty high. 4000A is insane. did you notice right on the back of that enclosure on the outside sticker said it has a 80Wh battery?
It says 89 Wh - watt hours I guess if you run an 89 watt load it will last 1 hour.
That makes more sense. 89WH is equal to what it says inside (11.1v at 8Ah = 88.8Wh)
There is no way this isn't using capacitors to deliver the 4000Amps for cranking.
Likely some weird laboratory spike test so they can use it for marketing. The thing did jumpstart my 7.L diesel with both batteries disconnect so not bad. Does what it needs to do.
Lithium batteries such as lithium polymer which is what this appears to be should not be stored without a charge. The proper way to store lithium batteries is to keep them at ~50% charge. This is why when you purchase new electronics with Lithium batteries they typically arrive half charged. You also never want to discharge them completely since that will damage the battery cells or even worse cause them to catch on fire. The electronics in the booster likely prevent that from happening and most likely kill the current when the battery voltage drops at all. Also, unlike NiMH or NiCad or lead acid batteries where the voltage can drop significantly (a few volts) from full charge to low charge, Li-Poly batteries like this will not fluctuate much at all in voltage from full charge to low charge. That is actually one of the desired traits of Li-Poly batteries since the voltage rolloff is low they run at peak performance almost until they reach their low charge state. Any significant voltage drop in a Li-Poly battery would indicate a damaged battery cell(s) which could be dangerous. You never want to fully discharge a Li-Poly battery. The fact that it is 11.1V battery means it is a 3 cell lithium polymer (3.7V *3) battery. 20C discharge is actually rather poor compared to batteries that are used in hobby grade RC cars and the like which typically have anywhere from 30C to 50C. 8000mAh is about as good as you get though in a small size 3-cell Li-Poly battery though. The reasons these new booster packs are so much smaller is simply because they moved away from the heavy lead acid battery ones to these new Li-Poly batteries. If you buy one of those external battery banks they cell on Amazon for your iPhone or other electronics, it is essentially the same principle as this booster albeit much lower current. Nice booster pack and thanks for the video..
There is no evidence to back up your claim of charge state of lithiums. Your claim is based on a report 20 years old. They had no idea of long term effects of lithium. A better, more viable explanation is to keep the individual cells above the appropriate voltage (3.0v for lipo, I think 2.8v for lifepo4)
The reason Lipo arrive HALF charged is that is their manufactured state. If you think they charge lipos in, say, cell phones, before they get sent out, you are in for a surprise.
Source: Electrical Engineer using Lipo batteries for 20+ years professionally and 10+ years as a hobby (solar and the like)
Thanks, lots to learn. When the box got to the point of shutting down its readout indicated a voltage of 10 volts. The user manual doesn't say anything about storage charge.
Here is a link to the safety data sheet - noco-thenococompany.netdna-ssl.com/media/nocodownloads/format/g/b/gb150_sds_6.10.2016.pdf
Details the battery chemistry.
I went to a solar event of Victron a few weeks ago, one of the leading manufacturers of Marine solar equipment.
They said that 50% storage is a bit dated news. The latest knowledge is they can be put away at 100% fully charged.
Nice review, I'dd like you had compared it with the smaller ones of Nogo
What are you filming this with? Looks good!
It's a few years old Sony Handycam HDR-CX190 camcorder
An auto tech reviewing this on Amazon ran one into a 500 amp max variable test load. It actually put out average 420 Amps at nominal 12 Volts for 20 seconds, then the over temperature protection kicks it out until it cools down... So, I don't think it's going to start the Dodge's 6.7l Cummins with two completely dead batteries down around 0 F., but if the batteries have even 70%, should turn it over. Normally, that truck barely starts if at all at 0 F. if the 2 Lead acid batteries are dead cold and down to 80%. If you wait for the full preheat cycle, the glowplugs and heater grid suck the batteries down so much there isn't enough left for the starter. Warm batteries are happy batteries...
BTW, that's an 80 Amp hour battery. EIGHTY. 80,000 mWh ÷ by 1,000 mW per Watt = 80. An 8 amp hour 12V battery is about good for a tiny economy 3 or 4 cylinder, a big motorcycle or a healthy riding lawn mower, the little Li-ion jump starter units that cost around $50.00 would have somewhere around that capacity.
You may want to watch my review video on the NOCO. - th-cam.com/video/bgOjEtO-YJs/w-d-xo.html
I tested it on my 1994 7.3L Ford diesel. Started it with no batteries hooked up at all with cold glow plugs, not at 0 though, it was around 50F, but not bad. Also, that is an 8000 mAH battery = 8AH. The unit says 88 watt hours right on the outside. 8000mAH X 11.1V = 88.8 Wh - milliamps-watts.appspot.com/
I also tested it running a load, it showed it to have about 8 amp hours capacity in the test. Wish it was an 80 AH battery that would be a wicked deal! Cheers Ray
Love Your RV The new NOCO 150 unit arrived. Charged it up, went outdoors to the dead 6.7l Cummins diesel truck and started it right up at 18 F., about 10 seconds of glowplug/grid heater warmup and then turned over and fired as if it were summer with good batteries. Pulled the existing batteries out afterwards, 1 was completely dead and would not take a charge, the other tested at 30% of rated current when I returned them to the battery dealer. Got 2 new batteries under warranty, the dead Interstate batteries were only 34 months old on a 6 year warranty.
thanks for sharing always learning from your channel
Always learning is the best way to be. I know I am. :)
i think you will find its 120c discharge so 120x 8000mah
That would be nice. Where did you find those specs on the Element X60 battery?
its on the pack but its not 11.1v its 11v 120c
How do you know for sure its 11V 120C and not 11v1 20C
11.1 volts seems to be a common voltage for lithium packs
it would not be a 20c rated pack !
i have the gb 70 the pack in that is rated 60C 5000MA if i remember correctly . small model lipo packs are rated at 30c
if you work out that 120 x 8 amps it equals around 960 amp peek current
i have measured the peek output of my gb 70 and its around 500 to 600 amps
Thanks, makes sense considering it's jumping a 10+ engine, I guess there is no published detailed info on this NOCO X60 battery. I can't find any.
The battery would be completely discharged in under a minute at max discharge rate I assume?
are you retired?
My wife and I are semi retired. Sold our businesses and house 12 years ago and full time RV now. So our monthly budget needs are quite frugal now. We make a bit of spending money online.
lots of good info and comments/analysis and i thank you for that, you have a wonderful website, bottom line, whats the cost and is it worth it. (i saw angie scoping you out in the distance, give her a biscuit for me).
It goes for $299. For me, it's a what to have gadget versus a gotta have. My old lead acid battery box died and I wanted to replace it with something that could at least fire up a large engine like in our truck or a motor home.
I mostly use it with my 12 volt air compressor.
$299 ?!?!?!?!!? Yikes! At that price, it better be able to start up a 747! ;-D
haha, ya. I guess though for folks that spend 300 grande on a motorhome it's not much. For me though it was a splurge.
I tested it on my 7.3L diesel today, fired it up easily with the batteries totally disconnected. Pretty cool. Cheers Ray
If you do the math on the 120 C to 8000 mah that battery only delivers 960 cranking amps I mean that's a lot but definitely not 4000amps which means false advertisement
Yeah, seems like some kind of lab tested spike or something. I did get it to start my 7.3L diesel motor with both of the batteries disconnected. That impressed me. Cheers, Ray
Those are super caps underneath, not resistors. That's what allows you to produce such high peak amps from a low input current.
Not saying that '4000 amps' isn't overrated, just clarifying the function of the device.
@@Nobody7720 I dont think so.
Your too kind not calling their 4000A balderdash. FYI, I'm sure you know this but if your drawing 8 amps you won't get 1 hour out of it or 8 amp hours but it will be dead much less than an hour . If you fully discharge any battery faster than over 20 hours you'll get less than the "C20" rating indicates. People always forget about that when they figure what batteries can put out. Same with solar panels, people always believe a 200 watt panel will put out 200 when the sun is hitting them when that is mostly never the case but much less. You'll only get 200 watts when there is 100% clear skies AND the sun is squarely over them on two axis, which is pretty much never the case if ever without a tracker.
Great effort trying to show what's in that thing. I was awaiting for this video. I figured it was 70/80% batteries. Cheers
haha ya, I'm a nice guy.
I knew that for lead acid but I thought that lithium ion batteries didn't suffer much from Peukert’s law and the AH rating would remain consistent even with higher current loads. That's why people like them in RVs to run high current devices like AC, and appliances, etc. Will be interesting to test it out. :)
For solar you won't even get the max in perfect skies, they use lab measurements, but I guess that at least is a benchmark to compare from. Best is likely 75-80% in the real world, that's about what I get on a clear summer day pointed dead square.
gostei muito desse aparelho. pena que aqui no brazil nao tem
never needed mine. Its in the car for eventually problems. Now, after 1.5 years, it wil not charge anymore to 100%. (green light keeps flashing) Lipo cells out of balance? When i charged it , it was still 75% full. Bad cell. unfortunately. Don't know if it wil start an engine anymore. Do not trust it .
Maybe try totally discharging it and let it recharge again. Maybe it will reset the charging system. Mine is still good, just recently jumped started a guy who was stranded.
@@LoveYourRV Thanks for your answer. Yes, noco adivised me also to totally deplete the unit, but unfortunally it didn't work. I tried this twice.
A fairly unimpressive battery. If you have RC experience, you know that 60C discharge rate and higher batteries are easily available from, probably, the same Chinese factories where this one is made. For the money you pay for Noco (compared to noname stuff on Amazon), I would expect something nicer.
P.S. For long-term storage, you want to keep lithium cells at 50% capacity.
Someone else commented that the 50% figure was dated and the newer stuff could be stored at 100%.
+Love Your RV
My understanding is that the electrolyte stabilizer additives which help reduce battery degradation when charging to 100% have shown great lab results but are unlikely to have made it into battery cells. The tesla S and X didn't have cells with those additives as of about a year ago.
Not so for LiPo cells, let them sit fully changed and over the months the outgassing causes them to swell. That's the reason DJI battery circuitry initiates a slow discharge to 50% after a few weeks.
NOCO GB70 has a 2 year life span especially if you keep it in your vehicle and is subject to drastic temperature change it will stop charging the unit
My GB150 is just over 2 years old now, got it for Christmas 2016 and still operating and charging OK, I leave it in the truck most of the time, but our temp diff is usually from freezing to a max of 90F so not that extreme, I'll report back if my unit fails. Cheers, Ray
Nice to put a face to the voice
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Hey Ray, you certainly have a lot more testicular fortitude than I do.
Or stupidity. :)
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From a recent conversation with NOCO Customer Support:
SierraSupport Specialist (NOCO)
Oct 18, 2022, 14:19 MST
If your unit has not been used much, that may be contributing to the issue. The Boosts have an internal lithium battery, and when lithium batteries sit for long periods of time without use, or are stored outside of the recommended temperature range (-20ºC to 50ºC), this can damage or weaken the internal battery, just like how your car battery's lifespan and performance will be negatively affected with extreme temperatures or lack of use. This is true not just of our products, but of lithium batteries in general. We suggest the Boost get regular usage by depleting the battery occasionally. You can simply charge USB devices like a cell phone to do this. This occasional cycling of the battery can help with longer battery health.
The Boost's internal Lithium battery has a ~1000 cycle life. The cycle life is the number of complete charge/complete discharge cycles that the battery is able to support before its capacity falls under 85% of its original capacity. So if the battery is discharged to 60% and then charged to 80%, it isn't a complete cycle. The Boost should last several years with normal use and proper storage. In an industrial application, the amount of years they last will depend on the amount of use. We recommend cycling the battery occasionally (depleting and recharging) to keep the internal battery healthy. This can be done by jump-starting or charging USB devices.
Your product carries a 1-Year Warranty. Based on the serial number you are 4 years and 9 months outside the warranty period. This unit has lasted a long period of time. I can provide you a coupon code to assist with replacing your product. It is currently already 20% off on the NOCO website, and the code would take an additional 10% off of your purchase on our website to help you get a replacement. This code is only valid for use on our website no.co/ and cannot be applied to other online resellers. This would not require you to ship your unit to us and allows you to purchase a brand new product. Please let me know if you would like to proceed and I will email you the appropriate instructions.
Kind regards,
Sierra
James Boswell
Oct 17, 2022, 07:46 MST
Dear Sierra,
Thank you for your quick reply. I’ve been very happy with this unit, except that it really seems to have a short life cycle. The unit has not been used very often and has always be stored in a manner recommended by your instructions. Maybe my expectations are too high.
That having been said, I would appreciate if the unit could be replaced with a manufacturers refurbished unit as I’m not prepared to buy a new unit at full retail price.
The serial number is: NG15006X3X08160502428
Regards,
Jim Boswell
Mine still seems to hold good charge knock on wood. A couple weeks ago, I helped a lady start her dead motorhome. The booster had been sitting for a few months.
I cant believe people put these in their cars, dont ppl know how unstable lipo's are, especially with how much they degrade if let sit at full charge
Media hype, if they were that unstable there would be many more instances of catastrophic failures. LiPo is in so many things these days like laptops for example, I'm surprised how little problems there are. But of course if there is the odd fail media jumps all over it with fear mongering. Also, it not like lead acid was trouble free.
@@LoveYourRV I dunno, I use lipo for a lot of RC stuff and I dont think I've ever had one last more than a year or two without swelling. Not one of mine is supposed to be fully charged when stored for more than a week. I just dont see this being better than a AGM jump pack.
I've had this box for 4 1/2 years now and it's almost always sitting at full charge in case it is needed, still does the job perfectly. So guess it's a different use case versus an RC stuff that is charged and discharge much more often. They also tend to push the battery to the limits trying to get performance out of them.
@@LoveYourRV Dunno, but my understanding was that if you leave a lipo at full charge for 6 months, on average, it'll lose 20% of its capacity.
Here is what NOCO faq says: "Does it hold a charge?
All Boost models can hold 70% of its rated capacity for up to one year. For optimal performance, we recommend charging the device at least every 4-6 months, after initial charge."
The whole point of the battery jumper box is for it to be ready to be put to use in an emergency. So it not like you can keep it half charged. I imagine they engineered the battery and charging circuits to deal with its specialized use case. A short burst of high amps to jump-start vehicles. Possibly by not fully charging it or using different lithium chemistry. The full light might say full charge but that doesn't mean the actual cells are at 100%.
All the home gamer boosters are over rated this one is no exception. The battery label you show says 11.1 volt @ 120c with 8,000mah or also known as 8ah capacity. So your kind of right in that it means the discharge rating. To get the amps out of that ratting you multiply the two 11.1x120= 1332A is all that pack can actually put out. The better pack to buy is the Matco MTXtreme its actually $15 cheaper then the NOCO GB150 and is rated with actual numbers at 1,200 peak amps but its a 24,000mah or 24ah capacity means you can get more and longer cranking out of it with the same actual starting amps. Cons are that the Matco is twice as wide as the GB150 and the Jump cables are smaller gauge. Pros are that it will also jump a 24volt piece of equipment with a setting change and has a 10 amp 12volt output.
www.matcotools.com/catalog/product/MTXTREME/24000-MAH-JUMP-STARTER-POWER/#to-details
The NOCO boosted my 7.3L diesel truck motor with both batteries disconnected and cold glow plugs, so I'm happy. :)
The 24AH is nice, would mean less recharging. Had a look at the customer reviews at that link, though, didn't look too good.
Love Your RV it will absolutly do what u told me i have no doubt. I love how heavy duty the cables are just dont believe the label. I made my own with an rc battery and ordered replacement clams from another booster and can start my 6.0 f250 superduty without batteries too. About 15 times without recharching. For around $100 have to give the small clamps and wire some time to cool in between but same thing
www.ebay.com/itm/Powerhobby-3S-11-1V-7600mAh-75C-Lipo-Battery-w-Deans-Plugs-Losi-8ight-E-/302282721502?hash=item46617448de
www.ebay.com/itm/iClever-Smart-Jump-Starter-Cables-EC5-Connector-Emergency-Clamp-Booster-Battery/272911649724?epid=2229386222&hash=item3f8acd4bbc:g:h2EAAOSwICpZ-qr1
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4,000 Amps is actually correct - them's Chinese Amps which you divide by 500 to derive U.S. Amps. :Þ
Instead of CCA, it's CCPA?
4000 AMPS! With a 30 amp rated relay, and an 30 amp automotive fuse soldered to the board, lol.
Fuse is likely for the accessory 12volt output plug, no way 30 amps would jumpstart a 7.3L diesel like it did. Would probably need a few hundred. th-cam.com/video/bgOjEtO-YJs/w-d-xo.html
Telwins Startzilla 3024 has 30000mah battery by data sheet and weighs the same as noco 150 with its 8000mah battery. I feel like telwin is full of shit
Hold the camera away from your face a bit more.
Hi Ray. I really like your videos. Thanks for opening up the Noco GB150. You might be interested in the following playlist, where a fellow Canadian named Jerry discusses misleading battery booster claims (such as 4000A) and performs load and cold weather testing on Noco and other units: PLxtlXKgrDXMVVTKIPpV1J4YanMKOt_I47
Thanks, Leonard, I've watched a bunch of NOCO videos, I believe I saw a few with cold weather tests and performance was really bad. I'll definitely mention it in my final review. Lucky I don't have to spend the winter in those temps, yikes! Most of my tests will be from an RV perspective.
From outside this thing looks like premium product but from inside it's cheap Chinese crap.
It's still working well. I just helped a lady jump-start her Class C RV a few days ago. She was very happy. :)
@@LoveYourRV These things only last a couple of years.
@@davehenderson6896 I bought it 6 years ago. Still works well and holds a full charge for months.
@@LoveYourRV Well you are one of the lucky ones, TH-cam SOSFIX Electronics, and you will see how many GB150's have to be fixed.
Doesn't say much unless we know the percentage of repairs required vs the amount sold. NOCO is a pretty big outfit, so it likely sells a ton of these things. They are even carried in many sticks and brick stores and are a huge seller on Amazon. The GB150 alone has almost 9000 reviews.