We have been doing this on a much smaller scale (we are a portable church). And I have to say mixing in a DAW in my opinion is far superior then trying to grab a matrix mix or a second console. I created a template for our team that has really pushed the sound quality in the right direction! Latency is a non issue because even the ATEM mini has delay that allows for audio synch. Our setup consists of Dante network from X32 598.00 to a used MacBook Pro399.00 to a small 2 channel analog mixer just to feed the live stream through the ATEM mic input to TH-cam live our total coast is less then a decent console. And the plug in list and control is unbelievable!
Nice setup! There are a lots of toys that I don`t need them, for the same results. But I appreciated that the sound engineer was talking about them !!! Mac, Logic Pro, Apollo 8p, Yamaha HS 8+Sub, Waves plugins, that is made my setup for broadcasting and works great!
To add to this, the app doesnt need the controller and vice versa. So if you bring your own mount, you could effectively use the S3 as seen here. That said, in this case that would mean that they would miss 8 faders. So not an option for them.
So this is why our livestreams sounds like nonsense. 😅 Super cool stuff right here, must be a super experience doing this every Sunday, excuse me, Friday.
For Jesse: How are you connecting Dante to Pro Tools? Have you, or would you, consider publishing your design spec and/or your cost list? Did you look at other DAW software and/or other control surfaces, and if so, how did you reach a decision / what were the pro's and con's of other solutions that you considered? Did you use a 3rd-party audio company as a solution provider, or did you figure this all out in-house? Would you be available for a consultation? Thanks!!
@Simon Barrett Yes in a video on Jesses personal account i saw an Avid MTRX so when 64 CH are enough for them they probably have a pro tools hd native interface or an hdx card with some pcie to thunderbolt adaptors for their mac pro 6.1
so much of this is beyond our church. we are a small church in canada, no band, nothing fancy, we have an organist and a keyboard player. one camera, no hubs, nothing digital other than our new camera. heres the question i havent seen asked or talked about. music rights. we play only hymns from our hymn book. i use to upload a live stream copy of the sermon to youtube. we even got a licence, a "CCL I infringement and monetization issues
Do you know how to send just one track from a session through to livestream? We are doing a live show and would like to play music 30 minutes before the show starts and during that time be testing other tracks.
Can you guys explain why you guys are to using two different daws? Does it save processing power or something? Can't he just record the multitracks within pro tools?
GREAT STUFF! I would love to know the gear behind the external processing there. Cause I see some distressors on the right, but if it's all dante, how is the connection being done to process audio through those compressors? Do they have an Audio Interface that receives the Dante connection but also sends Analog Line Outs? That would also explain how the Genelec monitors are connected. HELP! Lol
Amazing setup and the audio quality with the ability to use any type of plugin is something worthy to look into but I think this setup is more expensive than using a broadcast audio mixing console sans the "waves plugins"…
So on a digital console, there are Scenes or Snapshots that help transition parameters from section to section or song to song. I know there is Automation in Pro Tools while recording... but how would you do that live? Also, how do they deal with latency to line up with their video feed? At my work/church, we are considering moving this route, but we have some questions. If anyone can answer this, I would greatly appreciate it! Thanks!
What i don't understand is, You already had a fancy system, so whats the point of upgrading? MY question is the same question i'm asking myself. The church wants to upgrade stuff but we have equipment that was $30,000.00 so i'm trying to understand why we need to replace it. so if you explain to me why you did maybe i can use that to dialogue with myself.
Question for all the smart people out there, if he is concerned about CPU usage, why doesn't he just increase the buffer size to the max? Since it's for broadcast, introducing latency shouldn't be a problem so long as it's accounted for before the audio is merged with the video. Plus, a higher buffer size would give the CPU more time to process the audio. Then he could use higher quality plugins without worrying about overloading the CPU and introducing artifacts into the audio. Thoughts?
@@jessedobrien Cool! What version of Protools and are you running any avid hardware? Have you thought about upgrading the 6core to a 12core or maybe one of the latest iMacs?
reaper...gross hahaha just messing. I went with Nuendo Live2 as my replacement for tracks live. I just couldnt' get along with reaper hahaha just me though.
@@BrianSimmons mmmh when you pay a professional yeah its easy. Try having volunteers use all this equipment. Now when the church members pay for unnecessary equipment its raises my eyebrow. Video produccion can be complicated and all im saying is there is easier ways to do this.
@@ramirouribe2040 ofc there are easier ways but different churches have different goals, some want to be theologically robust and they will invest their money in bible schools, preachers, library and reference books etc. Other churches may want to focus on out reach so they will invest in vans, cars, petrol, outreach programs, mobile equipment etc. Some churches want to focus on bringing the quality in house to everyone in their homes hence they will invest more in audio and video equipment to enable their congregation to feel like they are physically in church. It is just like saying "it doesnt take a few hundred million dollars to produce a blockbuster it can be done for cheaper." Ofc it can but it simply will not have the quality of a blockbuster. Tech used in churches are made to give the congregation as seamless of a worship experience as possible meaning no hiccups, no downtime, no mistakes etc
We have been doing this on a much smaller scale (we are a portable church). And I have to say mixing in a DAW in my opinion is far superior then trying to grab a matrix mix or a second console. I created a template for our team that has really pushed the sound quality in the right direction! Latency is a non issue because even the ATEM mini has delay that allows for audio synch. Our setup consists of Dante network from X32 598.00 to a used MacBook Pro399.00 to a small 2 channel analog mixer just to feed the live stream through the ATEM mic input to TH-cam live our total coast is less then a decent console. And the plug in list and control is unbelievable!
These guys are working really hard...God bless your hearts
Really love this setup! Definitely what I'm trying to get to at my current church broadcast mixing.
13:00 I know you're crazy busy... I'm available for cable management contract work :P Love it Jesse, awesome work putting together this setup!
Nice setup!
There are a lots of toys that I don`t need them, for the same results.
But I appreciated that the sound engineer was talking about them !!!
Mac, Logic Pro, Apollo 8p, Yamaha HS 8+Sub, Waves plugins, that is made my setup for broadcasting and works great!
imo red rocks is doing some of the best stuff atm. the upcoming live album just damn FIRE!!!
Jeez this is way above our budget... must be nice
It'd be a blast to just sit in the control room during a session.
Come by anytime!
@@jessedobrien Love to!!! Sadly I'm in Florida and there's still this pandemic thing, but maybe one day. :)
Minor point but the S1 and the other Avid controllers are not midi but Eucon. There's a big difference in resolution and reliability.
To add to this, the app doesnt need the controller and vice versa.
So if you bring your own mount, you could effectively use the S3 as seen here.
That said, in this case that would mean that they would miss 8 faders. So not an option for them.
Love these tech tours! Keep up the great work.
So this is why our livestreams sounds like nonsense. 😅
Super cool stuff right here, must be a super experience doing this every Sunday, excuse me, Friday.
Great stuff! Really inspiring!
For Jesse: How are you connecting Dante to Pro Tools?
Have you, or would you, consider publishing your design spec and/or your cost list?
Did you look at other DAW software and/or other control surfaces, and if so, how did you reach a decision / what were the pro's and con's of other solutions that you considered?
Did you use a 3rd-party audio company as a solution provider, or did you figure this all out in-house?
Would you be available for a consultation?
Thanks!!
@Simon Barrett Yes in a video on Jesses personal account i saw an Avid MTRX so when 64 CH are enough for them they probably have a pro tools hd native interface or an hdx card with some pcie to thunderbolt adaptors for their mac pro 6.1
so much of this is beyond our church. we are a small church in canada, no band, nothing fancy, we have an organist and a keyboard player. one camera, no hubs, nothing digital other than our new camera. heres the question i havent seen asked or talked about. music rights. we play only hymns from our hymn book. i use to upload a live stream copy of the sermon to youtube. we even got a licence, a "CCL I infringement and monetization issues
In PT defense, the stock comp is so much more smoother to use than Logic stock. That said,the C1 and C4 comps from Waves are workhorses!!!
Wonderful!!
When are you going to Lakewood Church? @churchfront.
Do you know how to send just one track from a session through to livestream? We are doing a live show and would like to play music 30 minutes before the show starts and during that time be testing other tracks.
Can you guys explain why you guys are to using two different daws? Does it save processing power or something? Can't he just record the multitracks within pro tools?
GREAT STUFF! I would love to know the gear behind the external processing there. Cause I see some distressors on the right, but if it's all dante, how is the connection being done to process audio through those compressors? Do they have an Audio Interface that receives the Dante connection but also sends Analog Line Outs? That would also explain how the Genelec monitors are connected. HELP! Lol
Hi there Red Rocks. Just bought a dock and S1. Which router and/or switch should I use. The info on avid’s site is very poor. Thanks.
Any suggestions for good resources for learning about phase?
Your next livestream am going to listen on my JBL studio monitor to check the sound quality
Where's the "Ultimate Guide to Worship Tech" talked about at the end of the video??
Amazing setup and the audio quality with the ability to use any type of plugin is something worthy to look into but I think this setup is more expensive than using a broadcast audio mixing console sans the "waves plugins"…
So on a digital console, there are Scenes or Snapshots that help transition parameters from section to section or song to song. I know there is Automation in Pro Tools while recording... but how would you do that live? Also, how do they deal with latency to line up with their video feed?
At my work/church, we are considering moving this route, but we have some questions. If anyone can answer this, I would greatly appreciate it! Thanks!
What i don't understand is, You already had a fancy system, so whats the point of upgrading? MY question is the same question i'm asking myself. The church wants to upgrade stuff but we have equipment that was $30,000.00 so i'm trying to understand why we need to replace it. so if you explain to me why you did maybe i can use that to dialogue with myself.
How would he control gain input using Dante
Question for all the smart people out there, if he is concerned about CPU usage, why doesn't he just increase the buffer size to the max? Since it's for broadcast, introducing latency shouldn't be a problem so long as it's accounted for before the audio is merged with the video. Plus, a higher buffer size would give the CPU more time to process the audio. Then he could use higher quality plugins without worrying about overloading the CPU and introducing artifacts into the audio. Thoughts?
Great job guys! Quick q: WHERES ASHTON?
Ironically enough I was thinking the same thing! Where is he ?? Jake???
Whats the metering on the dual screen above the CL5 at FOH?
Different but effective!
Does he let ProTools roll without recording so he knows where to fix the problems in the mix ( with markers)
No, I PT is idle the whole time...that’s what makes it far more reliable. I’m only mixing through aux tracks so no transport is necessary.
@@jessedobrien ok thank you
@@jessedobrien Cool!
What version of Protools and are you running any avid hardware?
Have you thought about upgrading the 6core to a 12core or maybe one of the latest iMacs?
Im curious, would a windows 10 pc with something like an i7 10700k be good for a broadcast set up and run OBS as well ?
Yes 100%
Not only do I love this guy, but I'm like # 666! Yay !Lol
What about latency? Where do they sync the audio with the video output?
I bet they have a video switcher that handles any latency issues when they receive his mix from the Dante network.
Is ashton not with y'all anymore? Haven't seen him in any of y'all's videos anymore.
He's taking a nap
Hope i have the money to buy these stuff 😥
Crazy...
reaper...gross hahaha just messing. I went with Nuendo Live2 as my replacement for tracks live. I just couldnt' get along with reaper hahaha just me though.
... when worship gets idolized through the need to entertain...
Its an industry in itself now..
This is waayyy over kill. You dont need all this expensive tech to broadcast to fb and youtube.lol
@@BrianSimmons mmmh when you pay a professional yeah its easy. Try having volunteers use all this equipment. Now when the church members pay for unnecessary equipment its raises my eyebrow. Video produccion can be complicated and all im saying is there is easier ways to do this.
@@ramirouribe2040 ofc there are easier ways but different churches have different goals, some want to be theologically robust and they will invest their money in bible schools, preachers, library and reference books etc. Other churches may want to focus on out reach so they will invest in vans, cars, petrol, outreach programs, mobile equipment etc.
Some churches want to focus on bringing the quality in house to everyone in their homes hence they will invest more in audio and video equipment to enable their congregation to feel like they are physically in church. It is just like saying "it doesnt take a few hundred million dollars to produce a blockbuster it can be done for cheaper." Ofc it can but it simply will not have the quality of a blockbuster. Tech used in churches are made to give the congregation as seamless of a worship experience as possible meaning no hiccups, no downtime, no mistakes etc
@@ExcaliburTheOnlyOne I love your view on church tech and kudos mate