We're using a Focusrite 4i4 for our output and headphone monitoring from Abelton - out 1/2 goes to the vision mixer (Atem Mini) and the great thing about the Focusrites from 4i4 and up is that we can route the headphone output as out 3/4 and use that with the cue function in Ableton to give the broadcast audio engineer the option of soloing things in their ears without it affecting the output to the stream. It's the only way I've found so far to have that flexibility!
Awesome video Jake, the Klark Teknik DN9630 is something that I didn't know existed, it saves me from buying a Dante card which would cost double the price. I am currently volunteering in a church that still has an analogue system (Allen and Heath pa20-cp) and they don't exactly have a big budget, so I'm looking to introduce the digital system with an X32 Rack, which will sit on the stage like a stagebox and eventually become the monitor mixer if we ever upgrade to a full X32 or even add on a 2nd X32 Rack.
Hey Jake, this is great stuff. Question about monitoring: would it work well if you created an Aggregate device with DN9630 + headphone jack output? Send mains thru AES50, monitor thru headphone jack.
Hi, First I want to say that I love Churchfront, You guys do great work. I purchased the KT DN9630 based on your recommendation for our live feed mix and hooked it to the AES50 B output on our X32 and I am having issues with routing everything into Ableton or reaper. We do not own either software product as of yet and we are looking for mixing functionality only within the daw. I am sure this is a common problem faced by many in my position as I am not a sound engineer. I am head of sound and media for a very small church and we can't afford much and we especially can't afford a proper sound engineer to make these devices work for us. I have purchased most of our system out of pocket and I sort of wing it. Is it possible you could do a video specific to routing these 2 devices??
Good stuff as always Jake! Will the dn9630 also work with the aes50b port on the x32? Or is this specific to the Behringer Wing? Was looking through the Broadcast Mix Mastery course and couldn't find the answer...
This is great, but i've watched all your videos on the broadcast mix and we are trying to find the best solution for us. Is there anything you would recommend specifically for a PORTABLE church that doesn't really have the budget nor personnel to have a separate audio engineer? Is there a way to streamline the mix and not have such an extensive equipment setup? What would be ideal?
Hey jake. Would you be able to tell me how can I toggle on the solo button for a single channel strip while mixing for livestream using Logic Pro X, WITHOUT it affecting the audio going to the main outs?
@@Churchfront that's awesome! Apart from individual outputs, you can do really cool things with that module like importing multi-layered samples. Looking forward to that video!
Optogate for 100+ USD instead of a cheap talkback microphone that has a built in switch? I don't get how you decide where to invest, is there an amount of money that needs to be spent at minimum?
way too much work tho flip a switch, plus someone could forget to switch it off and it would bleed a ton of volume into the in-ears. I think it's worth it.
How is your talk back set up thru your system to get to their IEM? Are you using Ableton and sending back your AES50? Or wired directly to you FOH board?
I actually just did this Anthony! What you have to do is route your broadcast TB mic via Dante to an input channel on your FOH console. Then it will be accessible to the musicians.
@@imgmakr If you're using a Mac you can do this with an aggregate device. If you're using a PC the software I've heard recommended is ASIO4ALL. I haven't tried it personally but I bet the process is similar. On a Mac, search for a program called "audio midi setup". This lets you combine two audio sources but your Mac will treat them as one cohesive unit. What I do is take DVS and a cheap 2 channel focusrite interface and combine them as an aggregate device. It simply takes the additional I/O from the Focusrite and adds them to the I/O of DVS. When you go into Studio One, choose aggregate device instead of DVS for all your patches. DVS stops at 64x64, so the Focusrite should be input 65. Make a channel input for your talkback in Studio One, then send it out one of your Dante outputs. Now you can patch that Dante output to your FOH console. I also use the Focusrite to get the audio back out of the DAW and go XLR into my switcher and studio monitors.
@@mikehines14 Unfortunately ASIO4ALL didn't work for me but I did manage get it working by using ReaStream and OBS. I created an audio input in OBS and added the ReaStream filter. Then created a track in SO and added the matching plug-in. Routed that to the X32 via Dante Controller.
Hi Jake great video! Do you have a video that describes how to route the DN9630 from the X32 AES50A port to Ableton and back to the X32 channel which will go into our vMix encoder. Again, thank you for all the information in your videos. It has helped us out numerous times.
Question. how do you send the audio output from the Mac Mini to the rig you're using to broadcast? Do you have additional converters? I'm having a hard time trying the understand that process, lol...
Hey, why are you not just using a Behringer x32 for the broadcast mix, is that not just a lot easier in usability and connectivity? Any reason, I'm interested in what your thoughts are.
@@nicojansen503 Thanks for clarifying - then the answer here is - plugins and available routing and recording as well. We use a DLive 3500 at FOH and then I'm using a GLD112 for Broadcast Mixing - everything is feeding via Dante, but I'm considering sending the 32 channels we use via Dante to Pro Tools or Ableton Live and try a mix this way. I'd gain in plugins and ability to record - I think it is worth it. Then send that mix back into our GLD112 and route it to where it needs to go (video switcher) to sync and then be uploaded via RESI or BoxCast wherever it needs to go.
@@Churchfront one thing I like about the themes option in reaper, it give you the ability to customize every part of the GUI, granted to do that is a hassle. There is a wonderful forum of people who create amazing themes for reaper
Hey Jake, do you mute and unmute band and speakers etc when they're coming on and off stage? Do you find you can do that easily with the multiview monitor in front of you? Trying to figure out a similar broadcast mix station myself but want to make sure whoever is mixing won't miss the visual cues of people hopping on and off stage! Thanks
Piggybacking off of this.... how did you set up the streamdeck to communicate with Abelton to mute and unmute? Is it a similar setup with ProTools. Been trying to figure out how I can use my streamdeck to control mute groups in ProTools.
Keep in. I don’t your channel count.....You could technically have a second “mix” by having a second channel for every input. Have 2 channels per input. And send those to your broadcast mix. Though, the gate shouldn’t matter much. It’s mainly your eq and affects that will make a huge difference.
@@DiceandGlory You mean channel 1? I just want to be sure. Currently, the X32 sends audio thru the matrix out to the Atem Television 4k Pro. We tried last sunday but the audio was low and when we added gain on the Atem it got distorted.
@@olmanhidalgo4637 Use an interface, then pick in your streaming software the interface you're using and the you can add some VST plugins to enhance the audio signal.
We're using a Focusrite 4i4 for our output and headphone monitoring from Abelton - out 1/2 goes to the vision mixer (Atem Mini) and the great thing about the Focusrites from 4i4 and up is that we can route the headphone output as out 3/4 and use that with the cue function in Ableton to give the broadcast audio engineer the option of soloing things in their ears without it affecting the output to the stream. It's the only way I've found so far to have that flexibility!
love watching the ghost operating the computer in the background haha
I thought I was the only one to notice that
Can you show how your service sounds? Thanks for all your content!
Awesome video Jake, the Klark Teknik DN9630 is something that I didn't know existed, it saves me from buying a Dante card which would cost double the price.
I am currently volunteering in a church that still has an analogue system (Allen and Heath pa20-cp) and they don't exactly have a big budget, so I'm looking to introduce the digital system with an X32 Rack, which will sit on the stage like a stagebox and eventually become the monitor mixer if we ever upgrade to a full X32 or even add on a 2nd X32 Rack.
The GK-Music UltraPhones are great for hearing the mix in a live room. I've been using them for years
You guys are killing it all around, as always aweome content!
Hey Jake, this is great stuff. Question about monitoring: would it work well if you created an Aggregate device with DN9630 + headphone jack output? Send mains thru AES50, monitor thru headphone jack.
The DN9630 is what I've been using for my Mainstage keys rig. It's perfect.
Hi, First I want to say that I love Churchfront, You guys do great work. I purchased the KT DN9630 based on your recommendation for our live feed mix and hooked it to the AES50 B output on our X32 and I am having issues with routing everything into Ableton or reaper. We do not own either software product as of yet and we are looking for mixing functionality only within the daw. I am sure this is a common problem faced by many in my position as I am not a sound engineer. I am head of sound and media for a very small church and we can't afford much and we especially can't afford a proper sound engineer to make these devices work for us. I have purchased most of our system out of pocket and I sort of wing it. Is it possible you could do a video specific to routing these 2 devices??
Good stuff as always Jake! Will the dn9630 also work with the aes50b port on the x32? Or is this specific to the Behringer Wing? Was looking through the Broadcast Mix Mastery course and couldn't find the answer...
Yep! It works with any aes50 port! X32 or wing.
@@Churchfront Dope... I think I just found my "waiting on a Dante Card workaround"! Thanks!
This is great, but i've watched all your videos on the broadcast mix and we are trying to find the best solution for us. Is there anything you would recommend specifically for a PORTABLE church that doesn't really have the budget nor personnel to have a separate audio engineer? Is there a way to streamline the mix and not have such an extensive equipment setup? What would be ideal?
Please pray for us as we take baby steps. Thank you for sharing awesome information!
Jake, you don't mention how you use the Faderport.
Touchable stop working at m1 ableton live 11.1
Also good to know: dante is great and all but is NOT yet supported on the Apple Silicon platform so it will NOT WORK!
what do have your talkback run to how does it work
Hey jake. Would you be able to tell me how can I toggle on the solo button for a single channel strip while mixing for livestream using Logic Pro X, WITHOUT it affecting the audio going to the main outs?
Cool video, looking forward to speaking with you one day.
Awesome video as always Jake! Have you considered upgrading your electronic drums to use a VST to generate the sounds?
We just ordered a new Alesis drum brain that's gonna give us way more control
@@Churchfront that's awesome! Apart from individual outputs, you can do really cool things with that module like importing multi-layered samples. Looking forward to that video!
Can U show us how is ur church sound??
Thanks Jack. Doesn't the WING already has a builtin 48x48 USB interface? What additional/different feature does the DN9640 interface provide?
yes the wing has a usb interface, but long usb cable = problem (he mentioned it in the video)
Hello jake, thanks again for this video. i have one question though. Are you able to solo a single channel when mixing live from a DAW?
Optogate for 100+ USD instead of a cheap talkback microphone that has a built in switch? I don't get how you decide where to invest, is there an amount of money that needs to be spent at minimum?
way too much work tho flip a switch, plus someone could forget to switch it off and it would bleed a ton of volume into the in-ears. I think it's worth it.
How is your talk back set up thru your system to get to their IEM? Are you using Ableton and sending back your AES50? Or wired directly to you FOH board?
wired directly to local inputs on back of the WING.
when is the belonging tech tour coming?
who knows lol
ooh nice find, thanks!, going to get one of those AES boxes! you could theoretically use Dante Via to convert the AES > USB > DANTE and back again :P
Thanks for the awesome content! How do you get your talkback mic to those on stage? We have DANTE between our DAW (Studio One.. no my choice) and X32.
I actually just did this Anthony! What you have to do is route your broadcast TB mic via Dante to an input channel on your FOH console. Then it will be accessible to the musicians.
@@mikehines14 How did you get it routed through the DAW. Studio One only allows one source which is taken up by the virtual soundcard.
@@imgmakr If you're using a Mac you can do this with an aggregate device. If you're using a PC the software I've heard recommended is ASIO4ALL. I haven't tried it personally but I bet the process is similar. On a Mac, search for a program called "audio midi setup". This lets you combine two audio sources but your Mac will treat them as one cohesive unit. What I do is take DVS and a cheap 2 channel focusrite interface and combine them as an aggregate device. It simply takes the additional I/O from the Focusrite and adds them to the I/O of DVS. When you go into Studio One, choose aggregate device instead of DVS for all your patches. DVS stops at 64x64, so the Focusrite should be input 65. Make a channel input for your talkback in Studio One, then send it out one of your Dante outputs. Now you can patch that Dante output to your FOH console. I also use the Focusrite to get the audio back out of the DAW and go XLR into my switcher and studio monitors.
@@mikehines14 Thank you so much! I will give this a shot.
@@mikehines14 Unfortunately ASIO4ALL didn't work for me but I did manage get it working by using ReaStream and OBS. I created an audio input in OBS and added the ReaStream filter. Then created a track in SO and added the matching plug-in. Routed that to the X32 via Dante Controller.
Hi Jake great video! Do you have a video that describes how to route the DN9630 from the X32 AES50A port to Ableton and back to the X32 channel which will go into our vMix encoder. Again, thank you for all the information in your videos. It has helped us out numerous times.
it's all in our broadcast mix mastery course.
Whats the name of the app???
Question. how do you send the audio output from the Mac Mini to the rig you're using to broadcast? Do you have additional converters? I'm having a hard time trying the understand that process, lol...
The audio goes back out of AES50 into the WING, then is converted to analog XLR outputs into the ATEM
Good job mate
Hey, why are you not just using a Behringer x32 for the broadcast mix, is that not just a lot easier in usability and connectivity? Any reason, I'm interested in what your thoughts are.
Hey Nico, I know Jake has a video talking about the Wing and why they switched to that board.
@@JorgeSilvestrini I was talking about the broadcast mix instead of ableton. Not the FOH mix, there is obvious a reason for the wing as FOH
@@nicojansen503 Thanks for clarifying - then the answer here is - plugins and available routing and recording as well. We use a DLive 3500 at FOH and then I'm using a GLD112 for Broadcast Mixing - everything is feeding via Dante, but I'm considering sending the 32 channels we use via Dante to Pro Tools or Ableton Live and try a mix this way. I'd gain in plugins and ability to record - I think it is worth it. Then send that mix back into our GLD112 and route it to where it needs to go (video switcher) to sync and then be uploaded via RESI or BoxCast wherever it needs to go.
@@JorgeSilvestrini that is exactly my question, why would you prefer a DAW over an digital hardware mixer
@@nicojansen503 For me the answer is plugins and capability to record and edit multitrack audio.
For the faders issue, in reaper we have the option of use different visual themes; does ableton have a themes system?
only light vs dark mode, nothing else i'm aware of
@@Churchfront one thing I like about the themes option in reaper, it give you the ability to customize every part of the GUI, granted to do that is a hassle. There is a wonderful forum of people who create amazing themes for reaper
@@Churchfront I bounce between a dark blue theme and a ableton live theme
Hey Jake 👋🏼 what is the DAW midi controller you’re using?
Presonus Faderport
@churchfront Please can the Klark be used without a stage box
correct. you only need the Aes50 connection to your console
@@Churchfront And this can be used with an x32? I was about to install it BUT saw this video.
Can you mix your live stream in real time live through a daw ? Or is it more so if you have a preset and hope it sounds good
I'm pretty sure they're mixing live thru a DAW.
Mixing LIVE for sure. If there is any delay created by plugins or latency, that can be adjusted as well and synced to video without a problem.
@@JorgeSilvestrini Do they have a video on that ? And if not do you know a video on TH-cam with that content ?
@@adrianmorrison858 I know Jake has a video on the setup and how to. Haven't seen it personally to know the content - sorry!
Hey Jake, do you mute and unmute band and speakers etc when they're coming on and off stage? Do you find you can do that easily with the multiview monitor in front of you? Trying to figure out a similar broadcast mix station myself but want to make sure whoever is mixing won't miss the visual cues of people hopping on and off stage! Thanks
yes the multiview helps a ton with this.
If you mute a channel directly on Abelton, will the stream deck button update?
Yes the stream deck automatically toggles with it.
Piggybacking off of this.... how did you set up the streamdeck to communicate with Abelton to mute and unmute? Is it a similar setup with ProTools. Been trying to figure out how I can use my streamdeck to control mute groups in ProTools.
@@micahmartin4379 He said it's with midi. Not sure past that.
@@micahwagoner6114 I know it’s midi with the streamdeck, just need to know if it’s through the streamdeck app or something like companion.
@@micahmartin4379 he said it is through the native stream deck app. Midi support was added relatively recently.
Can you adjust EQ and gate separate from front of house mix. Currently on our sq7 board we are not able to adjust it separately from front of house
yes, you can have complete control when you mix in a daw like ableton.
Keep in. I don’t your channel count.....You could technically have a second “mix” by having a second channel for every input. Have 2 channels per input. And send those to your broadcast mix. Though, the gate shouldn’t matter much. It’s mainly your eq and affects that will make a huge difference.
Keep in mind your channel count***
Do you have any suggestions on how to send audio from the our mixing board (Behringer x32 board) to a Atem 4k Pro?
Mix an aux out and run it into Mic1
@@DiceandGlory You mean channel 1? I just want to be sure. Currently, the X32 sends audio thru the matrix out to the Atem Television 4k Pro. We tried last sunday but the audio was low and when we added gain on the Atem it got distorted.
@@olmanhidalgo4637 Use an interface, then pick in your streaming software the interface you're using and the you can add some VST plugins to enhance the audio signal.
Dumb question. Does the Touchable ipad app work wirelessly on Ableton windows version? We are currently mixing on a PC and would love to use the app.
Hey Noah - it does work wirelessly. Another APP that I've seen used a lot is TouchOSC.
But none of them are Pro (Tools).. hmm…