Counterbored Surplus Rifle Barrels

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  • @deuceandguns
    @deuceandguns  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Get your own Teslong Rifle borescope here: amzn.to/3XmK3Is

  • @WardenWolf
    @WardenWolf 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Counterboring had its place. Between corrosive ammo and aggressive cleaning with metal cleaning rods (those little guide caps were easily lost) the rifling at the muzzle gets really torn up. Nowadays, the smartest thing for any Mosin owner to do is just use a boresnake from the breech end. I'll also add a tip: don't use bore foam on pitted barrels! Pitting in a bore can, over time, be partially filled in with fouling that is not removed with a normal cleaning routine due to patches and brushes simply not going that deep. People who have deep-cleaned their pitted barrels have sometimes reported loss of accuracy. The best way to clean these barrels is with conventional methods.

  • @kazimierzspaczynski7401
    @kazimierzspaczynski7401 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Never enough education. Thank You Sir.

  • @rastenborg
    @rastenborg 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Most don't remember soap and water in a brush for corrosive ammunition. Works. Then dry the bore with patches and oil squeezed. It works.

    • @WardenWolf
      @WardenWolf 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Corrosive ammo is alkaline. Vinegar will neutralize it, though it will also take off bluing if you're not careful.

    • @WhiteFoamDispenser
      @WhiteFoamDispenser 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@WardenWolf Neutralizing water-soluble salts? Really? Where did you get your chemistry "degree"? Ever gotten table salt on your hands? Did you wash your hands with water or soak them in acid to "neutralize" salt? Honestly, it's potassium and sodium salts - plain hot water (no soap) is all you need.

  • @Walkercolt1
    @Walkercolt1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Muzzles on old rifles (pre-non-corrosive primers) are often eroded (more) at each end of a barrel. To improve (not cure) the accuracy problem, counter-boring the muzzle and running a bore reamer past the chamber can help. My old .30 Gov't. Krag-Jorgensen needed a replacement barrel from primer/powder erosion. I found one dirt-cheap (used) and so it was worth it to me.

  • @Bee_Tea_Sea
    @Bee_Tea_Sea 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Superbly informative stuff man, Ioved seeing the bore camera view too

  • @highboy72
    @highboy72 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I have a 1898 dated 1891mosin with finnish stock and FA stamp. it's counter bored. shoots well. my first mosin purchased through sportsman's guide many years ago. shipped right to my door since it's an antique.

    • @deuceandguns
      @deuceandguns  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Your Mosin sounds awesome. It's amazing that you can run down to an Academy Sports and buy new ammo for your 126 year old rifle, then probably ring steel at 100 yards with it. Surplus firearms sure make for a great hobby.

  • @TUKByV1
    @TUKByV1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    I learned a lot today. Thanks.

  • @Treasuremonk
    @Treasuremonk 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I’m Western NC Hillbilly I got it! I’ve had Mosins for 25 years and NEVER knew that was a bore protector!! Thanks

  • @mandolinman2006
    @mandolinman2006 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    I'm an East Tennessee hillbilly. I understood what you said with ease.

    • @deuceandguns
      @deuceandguns  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I figured you'd have no problem.

    • @mandolinman2006
      @mandolinman2006 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@deuceandguns I speak fluent banjo, because I attempt to play one. I'm so used to it, I translated when we went on a school trip to New Orleans and took a tour of the bayou. Apparently, listening to drink toothless hillbillies works well for understanding maybe drunk toothless Cajuns speaking English.

    • @shawnmullinsoutdoors
      @shawnmullinsoutdoors 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I’m from south east Kentucky so that sounded normal to me. We really do have our own language but I’m proud of my home.

    • @dwightdhansen
      @dwightdhansen 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I'm from Tidewater Virginia.
      Is there supposed to be something difficult to understand here?

    • @dennistate5953
      @dennistate5953 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      BrotherMan!❤

  • @Immopimmo
    @Immopimmo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Man, those barrels looked like the surface of the moon through that borescope.

  • @Oldf0x
    @Oldf0x 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Hey from Australia. My boys looked over my shoulder and were stoked to see all those Mosins. I only have Enfields here hah

    • @deuceandguns
      @deuceandguns  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      As someone who has examples of both the Enfield is the superior rifle in all ways except for the price of ammo.

  • @philipfreeman72
    @philipfreeman72 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I had a short Mosen counterbored when I got it , it shot well , quite accurate .

  • @adamcichon6957
    @adamcichon6957 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I read an article in Polish firearms magazine, that in garrisons Mosins had been cleaned all at once, one after another, while being placed in a vice and always from the front. Of course, soldiers in the field cleaned their rifles individually. Claening rods ware just bare steel, so crown damage occured quite often.
    Meanwhile Mauser rifles had only a section of cleaning rod attached. Three of these had been screwed together to clean a rifle's bore, two sections for a carbine. That was enough at garrisons, but in the field it was huge pain it the a**. To counter this issue, Germans issued their soldiers individual cleaning kits with "bore snakes" - aluminium lined piece of chain, that looked quite like rosary beads. Probably this is why Mauser rifles ware counter bored much less often, and especially captured ones, that ware picked up without it's cleaning kit. Soldiers had them stored in separate belt pouch.

  • @44hawk28
    @44hawk28 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The crown was damaged once in a while by impact but the thing that damaged the end of the rifling the most was cleaning with a steel rod that wore away the first inch and a half to 2 inches of rifling.

    • @ianhale4466
      @ianhale4466 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I have a hard time believing that, barrels are pretty hard steel, cleaning rods will be much softer, it would take the American doctrine to wear a barrel out lol

    • @truckerjesus8633
      @truckerjesus8633 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      fuddlore

  • @boomstick4054
    @boomstick4054 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I had a counterbored Mosin 91/30 that was very accurate. It was counterbored about 2 1/2”

  • @mnstrxj3280
    @mnstrxj3280 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nice MN91/30 sniper on the wall. Was that pointer a 182gr AP Heavy ball?

  • @hawkeyeinthehouse2995
    @hawkeyeinthehouse2995 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Interesting video and JUST WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR!!!! A few years ago I acquired a old interesting commercial Mauser made by a gunsmithing guild associated with Krupp, it had a BEAUTIFULLY MACHINED BARREL!! The barrel was octagon shape where it screwed into the receiver then about a third of the way down the barrel it was round. It had a raised rib that ran the whole length of the barrel, it was MACHINED that way with express rear sight was dovetailed to the barrel and the front sight was a small continuous raise of the barrel rib with it slotted for interchangeable front sight posts. The bolt was of the spoon or butter knife handle style bolt handle with a little engraving on it as well as all over the rifle, the engraving was subtle. It has gold plated twin set triggers. There are serial numbers on most of the larger parts: barrel, receiver, bolt, gas shield, magazine well and the trigger assembly and they ALL MATCH. What makes it MORE SPECIAL it's in 7mm Mauser and proof marking date it PREWWII (crown over N). It's a NEAT rifle but someone screwed up the first inch or so inside the end of the barrel. It made me think that someone used the end of the barrel to POKE the dangerous animal he just shot and cleaned the outside of the barrel and NOT INSIDE, CLEANED at a much later date allowing TERRIBLE RUST TO SET IN. I had heard about the COUNTERBORING but not much about it!!! Do you think it should work for ME and my problem?!!! I hope so it would be SHAME to let all this TLC and OLD WORLD CRAFTSMANSHIP go to WASTE.!!!😮😢

    • @alanmeyers3957
      @alanmeyers3957 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sounds like one we had in the shop about 18 years ago.

    • @WardenWolf
      @WardenWolf 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Counterboring would probably help, but the problem is nobody i really does it anymore and I don't know of anyone in the US who does. You might be able to find some grizzled old gunsmith somewhere who can do it, though. I'd suggest having it relined (existing rifling drilled out and a sleeve inserted with new rifling) instead, but I'm not sure if anyone makes 7mm liners. The most ridiculous Mauser I've ever seen was a Mauser 98 rebarreled for 22-250. It was a heavy-barrel bench gun, in a benchrest stock. It was just ridiculous. I mean, of all the calibers to convert a Mauser to, why that?

    • @hawkeyeinthehouse2995
      @hawkeyeinthehouse2995 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@WardenWolf Thank you for your input. Because of the exterior shape of the barrel I wonder if it would fit in the lathe, it's not ROUND well only part of it. What about the full length rib on top wouldn't that cause a problem?!! I guess rechambering it for 6.5 Swedish wouldn't be bad if there are liners in that caliber?! No real hurry, I had a few more TOYS to work on and play with!!!!😁👍

  • @cliffyarboro1163
    @cliffyarboro1163 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks for the video deuce i have an old 9130 i bought years ago and it has a counterbore barrel, i was kinda upset when i first saw it then i did some research and saw the counterbore comment its a Finnish capture it has the metal sling swivels took me a while to figure that one out too thanks for the video👍

    • @deuceandguns
      @deuceandguns  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You've got an interesting rifle there.

  • @Courier-Six
    @Courier-Six 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    When it comes to muzzle testing rifles, I have learned long ago not to trust that result solely. I have a Savage Sporter in 25-20. The rifle shoots 1 inch groups at 75 yards, but the muzzle eats the bullet. Same with my Savage 340, same with my Marlin Camp Carbine

    • @Blinkerd00d
      @Blinkerd00d 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I have Savage 24c (22-20) and I love that thing. I also have a Marlin 44mag, the 100th anniversary edition, and it shoots tight groups. Great guns.

  • @KaleemLmar
    @KaleemLmar 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Loved and enjoyed all of it and learned something too.

  • @terryblanding3178
    @terryblanding3178 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for the education.

  • @kenibnanak5554
    @kenibnanak5554 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have an old Chinesearmy surplus FN Mauser that has been counterbored half the barrel length.

  • @TUKByV1
    @TUKByV1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    So there's actually a chance I can get a functional Mosin for under a bill? Neat.

    • @HDSME
      @HDSME 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes

    • @WarFrog935
      @WarFrog935 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Got my all matching near mint M91/30 for $150 last year.

  • @henrysara7716
    @henrysara7716 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thy deuce. Where did you find those orange plastic holder.

  • @reloader7sixtwo
    @reloader7sixtwo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Both my M44 and M91/30 have next to perfect bores and crowns, neither apparently never saw much use. I know there are counter bored versions out there, but I've personally never seen one.

  • @algoneby
    @algoneby 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I bought two m44 at the retaliative same time. On counter bored, one not. Sold the Counter bored one. Both in good shape from a visual. But think I did the right thing.

  • @tsiefhtes
    @tsiefhtes 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It isn't just Mosens that were counter bored, it was common practice with most adults surplus. I personally go with the theory that it's an attempt to counter damage caused by the metal cleaning rods included with the rifles.

    • @jacobishii6121
      @jacobishii6121 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The cleaning rods don't damage the bore or crown.....it's damn near impossible to do that kind of damage

  • @franzputsch254
    @franzputsch254 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I owned a counter- bored Mosin rifle. It shot fine, it was just unnerving to look at the end of the barrel.

  • @karlbailey1066
    @karlbailey1066 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I bought an M38 from a gun store about five years ago that nobody bought it because they thought the barrel was worn out and it was counter bored.

  • @mikemuenze5390
    @mikemuenze5390 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you good info.

  • @independentthinker8930
    @independentthinker8930 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What we call coning on a muzzle loader, does away with the need for a short starter.
    They sell tools to cone the muzzle loader by hand

  • @edwardchance2543
    @edwardchance2543 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video thanks for sharing

  • @interstellarsurfer
    @interstellarsurfer 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice work.

  • @JuanHernandez-pq6nb
    @JuanHernandez-pq6nb 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for the lesson

  • @Solidcambo
    @Solidcambo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You had me messed up 😂 at the beginning

  • @Miohunter444
    @Miohunter444 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good info Deuce!!

  • @saintsinningsword
    @saintsinningsword 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Actually informative where I was afraid the whole barrel was counter bored.

  • @marknielsen2482
    @marknielsen2482 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Interesting information

  • @rimanahbvee
    @rimanahbvee 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My dad had a uruguayan contract k98k that was counter bored, interesting

  • @FokkerBoombass
    @FokkerBoombass 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Her: "It's my first time"
    Also her: 2:20

    • @deuceandguns
      @deuceandguns  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ha! I almost made a joke about that but I'm already on TH-cam's naughty list so I try to keep it family friendly.

  • @jon9021
    @jon9021 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    3:45 $30??!!….I hate you 😂

    • @Absaalookemensch
      @Absaalookemensch 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I used to buy WWII military rifles for about $50 each. Another $20 for a 95% inletted training stock by Fajen or Bishop, a few hours tuning the rifle and finishing the stock produces beautiful, accurate scoped sporting rifles for under $200.

  • @michaelhill6451
    @michaelhill6451 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Why didn't they just recrown the rifles? Is the counterboring done to make sort of a recessed target crown? If so, why not have this type of crown to start with?

    • @deuceandguns
      @deuceandguns  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I assume to keep labor and cost as low as possible they applied a one size fits all approach. Any rifle with a damaged crown got put in a pile to be counterbored. Otherwise, a standard crown was sufficient.

  •  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This certainly would be the cheapest way for a quick fix.. Is there not a process of chrome electroplating the bore then resurfacing or re-rifling the inside?? I would think that most crown damage would be from corrosive ammo and the end of that barrel cooling the fastest and drawing moisture to it so corrosion of the metal starts there first..

  • @jacobishii6121
    @jacobishii6121 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Almost seems like counter bored would be better than even a recessed crown for protecting it

  • @michaelpatterson9185
    @michaelpatterson9185 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Does a properly counter bored rifle still shoot well ?

    • @deuceandguns
      @deuceandguns  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yep, once counterbored it should be as accurate as it was when new...As long as the rest of the barrel was in good shape.

  • @HDSME
    @HDSME 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The most damaging thing too the mosys was there were issued a rough string
    With a brush screwed on the end. Pulling this was like a saw it bit into the crown
    ! On one side caueing uneven gases. Making the bullet fly off target
    If done right it realy does work never saw a mauser done maybe captured
    I have sen french mas if you want a nice gun. Take the butt plate off the stock serial number is penciled on it and the butt cap. Is all your numbers macth you probally bought a great gun

  • @nickjm37fordel1
    @nickjm37fordel1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bought my Mosin's years ago and have never checked for that.
    Without going to the safe I know I have both lengths of that rifle.
    Questions
    With accuracy aside are they safe to shoot ?
    Will a new crown on the muzzle fix this issue ?
    How many rounds will it take to do more damage than already there ?

    • @deuceandguns
      @deuceandguns  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Having a damaged crown won't impact the safety unless it's so damaged it's obstructing the bore. It would take a few hundred rounds to notice an additional crown damage but it would be slow.

    • @nickjm37fordel1
      @nickjm37fordel1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@deuceandguns Thank you very much :-))

  • @wagon9082
    @wagon9082 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good video

  • @thorn-1
    @thorn-1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    my father used a string with a patch tied in the middle

  • @ThreenaddiesRexMegistus
    @ThreenaddiesRexMegistus 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    They’d be more likely to use a reamer with a well fitted pilot to do this. The end-mill is unlikely to do this accurately. Probably much of the damage is caused by cleaning rods.

  • @robdegraw1568
    @robdegraw1568 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is there any spare new unused barrel to have it rebarreled

    • @deuceandguns
      @deuceandguns  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I'm not sure about new surplus barrels but there are a few companies that make brand new barrels for the Mosin Nagant.

    • @nickriley4609
      @nickriley4609 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah no probably not...but you can have a brand new barrel made and installed on it..some people think that putting a new barrel on a mosin will destroy its collector value but I doubt it as many are not considered collector pieces due to the amount made and that they were rushed production during war to quickly arm soldiers so the quality varies sometimes...but if you want a marksmanship grouping then the best bet would be a new modern made barrel for your mosin

  • @MaxWray111
    @MaxWray111 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's cheaper to counterbore a barrel than to replace it. And considering how many Mosins the USSR made, it only makes sense, especially during a war.

  • @Walkercolt1
    @Walkercolt1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You skipped over re-lining barrels or over-boring them to different "wildcat" calibers. Re-linering barrels is usually too expensive for surplus rifles, but it is POSSIBLE. Very common is to rebore say the 7x57mm Mauser with a "shot-out" or other-wise damaged barrel to 7.62x57 or the .30x57. The 8x57 Mauser is often rebored and re-chambered to the ".35 Whelen" or .35/.06. The "Mauser" is really a Mannlicher action, but quite robust and lends itself to accurate rifles for not a ton of money. The steel in Russian, Japanese, and Eastern European rifles usually isn't as high a quality as German, Austrian, Polish, Czech, or Slovakian barrels. Consult a GOOD RELIABLE gunsmith before opening your wallet!

  • @williammccaslin8527
    @williammccaslin8527 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Man we need to buy you a chalkboard. Lol. Wouldnt the notch in a muzzle as a bullet exits cause it to become destabilized in flight, asking for a friend. Not really, asking for myself truthfully. Now I'm going to have to go check my mossie, as I don't know if its counterbored or not, but its a pie plate shooter @ 100 yds, so not the best. But it has extremely clean rifleing in the bore, but I pull the bolt an clean it from the rear anyway with aftermarket rod an cleaning supplys. Thx for the vid an the knowledge. P.S. It was our standby deer rifle at camp, good enough for camp meat tho.

    • @deuceandguns
      @deuceandguns  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I guess if the crown were damaged enough, it could destabilize the round vs. simply knock it off course. Also, I've got more than one old Mosin wirh a bore so bad a pie plate shot at 100yards would be pure luck, so yours is probably average for surplus Mosin Nagant.

  • @ishnifusmeadle
    @ishnifusmeadle 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Weird. Seems like on the arsenal refurbs itd be cheaper n quicker to recrown vrs counter.

    • @erikphilpott629
      @erikphilpott629 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The bayonet wouldn't fit correctly if the barrel was shortened with a recrown.

  • @mudpuddle8805
    @mudpuddle8805 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The muzzle isn't the first part of the barrel to wear out, the throat is. If the muzzle is worn to the point that a bullet will slide in easily, that weapon is way past useless and I would question the action and bolt face.

    • @glocksp80smd
      @glocksp80smd 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Guns period wear end to end. Chamber side then barrel end in. So basically outside in to middle. The rifling will always wear at both ends first then work way in.

  • @rogerray7820
    @rogerray7820 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just love the way you and the commenters oog and aah over these junk Mosins. For what they sale for you can (and should) buy American. I just purchased a Remington 700 low serial # at the gun show for $325.00 with a Red field scope that will out shoot these Mosin junkers. Do you realize importers pay around $3.00 each for Mosins and about 15.00 each import tax? What a markup!!!! But to each his own.

    • @deuceandguns
      @deuceandguns  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It has been illegal to import these into the US for about 10 years now and that's the reason they cost so much. FYI, I stopped buying them once they hit the $100 mark.

  • @horn410
    @horn410 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    В России есть переточенные винтовки Мосина в 410 калибр!!!

  • @jerrymartin5100
    @jerrymartin5100 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Evaporust the barrel.

  • @tiredlawdog
    @tiredlawdog 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I guess I missed the part as to WHY the weapon is counter bored in the first place?????

    • @deuceandguns
      @deuceandguns  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It has a damaged crown and this is how they decided to repair it.

    • @tiredlawdog
      @tiredlawdog 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      After years of firing steel bullets down a steel barrel doesn't help either. Thanks for the come back.

  • @alekseybabulin4884
    @alekseybabulin4884 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    30 buck.... God bless.

  • @roddy6667
    @roddy6667 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why is he pronouncing it Mohz-ni? The "n" is on the end. Mow-zeen. If you are including the Nagant part, the "t" is siilent. Nuh-gahn.

  • @junkemails5050
    @junkemails5050 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I understood and iam not even American

  • @texpatriot8462
    @texpatriot8462 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Couldn't they just recrown it?

    • @deuceandguns
      @deuceandguns  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      They totally could in all but the most severe cases. I assume they just set up a counterbore jig and any rifle that need a touch-up just got the full send vs. a more specialized treatment. It's probably part of that old Soviet simplicity.

    • @joelee2371
      @joelee2371 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The problem is sometimes the damage goes deeper than the crown, necessitating a counterbore.